From: Paul.Mossman at nt.gov.au
Subject: aus-wx: Darwin set to fire!
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(Jacob / David - I know that this email address is not seubscribed but could you
send this through pliz?? )

Howdy all.

This is hot off the press!

IDF20D06
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Northern Territory Region
Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre

TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK

TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST
Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
at 1:28 pm CST Tuesday 28 NOVEMBER 2000

A broad area of low pressure is centred in the southeast Arafura Sea
Location........near 11S 140E
........i.e. about 180 nautical miles [330 km] ENE of Nhulunbuy
Central pressure: 1004 hPa
Recent movement : near stationary

DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
Next 24h : low
24-48 h : low
48-72 h : moderate

NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical
cyclone development within each 24 hour period...
LOW = 10% or less MODERATE = 20% - 40% HIGH = 50% or more.

REMARKS
The low is expected to move towards the west during the next 2-3 days and may
deepen later in the week.

DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre.

Looks like Jase may get a TC as he is hopping on the plane. As well as this - the NCEP MRF COLA 10 day rain outlook shows Darwin in
 or on the edge of 250mm+ for 2 whole weeks.

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul in a wet Darwin (lunchtime storms already today..........)

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From: "bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Dane wrote: Bit of  a storm came through here between 8.30pm and 9.00pm.
quite frequent
mostly cc lightning with a few anvil crawlers. Moderately loud thunder, not
much rain. Storm now (9.15pm) receeding to the east. Top temperature here
today was 32.0c. Dane.

I was watching from here. Looked to be quite active with lightning every few
seconds. There was also a bit of lightning just over the river in Southern
NSW at about the same time. We got to 34 here yesterday with 6 spots of rain
just before nightfall.
Bussie (NE Victoria)

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:41:32 +1100
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>I'll confess to being a bit intimidated by the high level
>of weather knowledge of other list members.
>Tim

What can I say Tim.. but don't feel intimidated. This list is for anybody
interested in weather, irrespective of whether they have studied meteorology
or not. 

You also learn pretty quickly with weather than no matter how much you know
the atmosphere can still make you look pretty silly, by doing the
unexpected. A prime example is the thunderstorm which just went through
Melbourne at ~8:10am this morning, which was totally unforecasted! Working
in BOM, I was just a tad concerned driving to the station this morning at
7:30pm to hear the duty forecaster saying on the radio that we could expect
a fine day, while said thunder cloud was developing before my eyes...

Anyway, we have now had three thunder days for the month in Box Hill, making
for the most activity since February. It really has been a pretty
interesting month all-up, with very persistent warm humid easterly
conditions, with frequent convective activity. The result of these
persistent patterns has been an extraordinary warming of Port Phillip Bay
through the month to almost "tropical" temperatures (see
http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/temps.html ), and a rainfall
gradient from greater than 100mm of rain for the month in Melbourne's
northern suburbs to around 20mm in the southern suburbs, where sea breezes
have inhibited convection (for those who don't know, this is a near reversal
of the climatological gradient).

Cheers,

David.


                                                              
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Climate Analysis Section                                   
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GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:00:27 +1100
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sel,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think there has been anything official 
about the BBQ in December. I'll be flying up on the 9th and staying at 
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like that.</FONT></DIV>
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FYI



>Dear ASWA Member,
>
>You are invited to our annual Christmas BBQ to take place on Sunday, the
>10th of December.  This will take the place of our normal monthly meeting
>for December, as well has be a social event and also a great opportunity to
>see lots of great thunderstorm footage!  There’ll be lots of great footage,
>from the recent late October and early November thunderstorms, to the
>footage being gathered on the annual two-three week “Thunder Downunder”
>storm chase just prior to the BBQ!
>
>It should be lots of fun, and I’m sure everyone will enjoy it!  You are more
>then welcome to bring your family along!
>
>Details:
>
>Date: Sunday, 10th of December
>Time: 11am onwards
>Place: 12 Auld Court Mt Crosby (just west of Brisbane)
>Cost: $10 each ­ children 12 and under free!
>Please bring: Bottle of drink, togs for swimming
>BYO alcohol
>RSVP: Please contact myself, James Chambers on 3808 9302 or
>jamestorm at ozemail.com.au (email preferred method) by Monday the 4th of
>December.
>
>Look forward to seeing you there!
>
>Regards,
>James Chambers
>Qld Vice-Rep of ASWA (standing in place of Anthony until he comes back
>Thunder-Downunder 2000)
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au





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Hi my name's Michael King and I used to lurk amongst the transcripts.  I've 
decided to join as a fully fledged member of this list.  I'm interested in 
all aspects of meteorology except fine weather, but especially the monsoon 
and snow events.  Recently purchased a digital camcorder and once I've 
worked out how to use it, I'll be out there chasing.  Woke up this morning 
to the sweetest sound: the peal of thunder, then mid morning had the 
heaviest shower so far this spring.
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From: "Karratha Weather Observations" <karrathaweather at wn.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Christmas Island Tropical Low now moving ESE! whoohoo! - 40C drought for Nov about to be broken!
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>looks like the Tropical Low to the far NW of WA has 
changed direction overnight to the ESE towards WA!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WHOOHOOO!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>VERY hot in Karratha this morning with temp already 
38C at 9am!!!!!!! the BoM just updated Karratha's forecast to a max of 
40C.....they were going for 34C last night which I though was ridiculous 
considering the VERY hot airmass South / South East of here........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UPDATED <BR>KARRATHA:<BR>Fine. Moderate SE winds 
before an afternoon seabreeze.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Maximum temperature: 
40<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; UV Index:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11 [EXTREME]&nbsp; 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil:7777/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/90S.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/20001129.0031.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.90S.jpg">http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil:7777/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/90S.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/20001129.0031.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.90S.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Current VIS image of the Tropical Low</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Latest Tropical Low advice</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>IDW50W21<BR>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY <BR>WESTERN 
AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be 
used with this warning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PRIORITY</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 4<BR>Issued at 6:50 
am WST on Wednesday, 29 November 2000<BR>BY THE BUREAU OF 
METEOROLOGY<BR>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A TROPICAL CYCLONE WATCH is now current for the 
community on Christmas Island.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At 6:00 am WST a tropical low was estimated to be 
340 kilometres east-southeast<BR>of Christmas Island and was moving slowly 
east-southeast, away from Christmas<BR>Island.&nbsp; The low may develop into a 
tropical cyclone during the next 24 to 48<BR>hours. Gales are not expected on 
Christmas Island today but could develop during<BR>Thursday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Details of tropical low at 6:00 am 
WST.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp; Location of centre : within 50 kilometres 
of<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Latitude 11.6 South Longitude 108.6 East.<BR>&nbsp; Recent 
movement&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : towards the east-southeast.<BR>&nbsp; Central 
Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp; : 1002 hPa.<BR>&nbsp; Maximum wind gusts : 70 kilometres 
per hour near the centre.<BR>&nbsp; Severity category&nbsp; : below tropical 
cyclone strength.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The next warning will be issued at 1:00 pm 
WST.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JJ</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Karratha WA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>where the temp just hit 39.7C!!! look 
out......looks like this will be the first 40C for Nov!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://www.karrathaweather.org">www.karrathaweather.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="mailto:cyclone at karrathaweather.org">cyclone at karrathaweather.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ICQ 6187498</FONT></DIV>
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE  Issued at 1231 on Wednesday the 29th of
November 2000
This warning affects people in the following Local Government Areas:
Wingecarribee
Shellharbour
Wollongong

This warning is current from 12:30pm until 2:00pm

Storms are currently located just west of Bowral and Bundanoon and are
forecast to move towards the east reaching the area north of Robertson
within the next hour.

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At 12:20 PM 29-11-2000 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi my name's Michael King and I used to lurk amongst the transcripts.  I've 
>decided to join as a fully fledged member of this list.  I'm interested in 
>all aspects of meteorology except fine weather, but especially the monsoon 
>and snow events.  Recently purchased a digital camcorder and once I've 
>worked out how to use it, I'll be out there chasing.  Woke up this morning 
>to the sweetest sound: the peal of thunder, then mid morning had the 
>heaviest shower so far this spring.

And where are you?

Members of this list are spread far and wide, and it's nice to know where
each is... :)

Miguel de Salas
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These just issued, Sydney local radar shows the cell the warning is for.


SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1237 on Wednesday the 29th of November 2000

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
Upper Western, east of White Cliffs
  Central West Slopes and Plains
Central Tablelands, Hunter, Illawarra

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds
and very heavy rainfall.



SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE  Issued at 1231 on Wednesday the 29th of
November 2000
This warning affects people in the following Local Government Areas:
Wingecarribee
Shellharbour
Wollongong

This warning is current from 12:30pm until 2:00pm

Storms are currently located just west of Bowral and Bundanoon and are
forecast to move towards the east reaching the area north of Robertson
within the next hour.

Large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall are possible.

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From: "David Findlay" <nedz at bigpond.com>
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According to WxSim, by Friday evening the LI should be down to -4. Is this
realistic? Anyone want to rate out chances of a storm on Friday. The bureau
thinks it might happen.

David

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Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER: Starting in Sydney?
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1220 AEDT (Strathfield, Sydney) at the moment. 
Over the last 45 minutes, a small cell has developed just north of Marulan,
and the BoM's local scale sydney loop has shown pink and red reflectivity
levels (40mm/hr +) for the last 2 scans (20 minutes).

No STA or STW out for any areas in NSW yet...will wait and see!


Mal Ninnes
(Strathfield, Western Sydney)
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Hi all,
at galston in sydneys northwest we have just got some pea sized hail but the 
best thing is the lightning and thunder, it is non stop, it just seemed to 
build out of nowhere, doesnt feel anything like 36C at the moment but the 
skies look full of promise for a fantastic day :)..atm 130pm... more to come 
im sure


>From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
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>Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER: Starting in Sydney?
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:19:57 +1100
>
>1220 AEDT (Strathfield, Sydney) at the moment.
>Over the last 45 minutes, a small cell has developed just north of Marulan,
>and the BoM's local scale sydney loop has shown pink and red reflectivity
>levels (40mm/hr +) for the last 2 scans (20 minutes).
>
>No STA or STW out for any areas in NSW yet...will wait and see!
>
>
>Mal Ninnes
>(Strathfield, Western Sydney)
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Heya rune,

we also had a brief shower of hail about20 minutes ago here at cranebrook..
Lots of thunder too.
More to follow


dann
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> Hi all,
> at galston in sydneys northwest we have just got some pea sized hail but
the
> best thing is the lightning and thunder, it is non stop, it just seemed to
> build out of nowhere, doesnt feel anything like 36C at the moment but the
> skies look full of promise for a fantastic day :)..atm 130pm... more to
come
> im sure
>
>
> >From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
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> >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:19:57 +1100
> >
> >1220 AEDT (Strathfield, Sydney) at the moment.
> >Over the last 45 minutes, a small cell has developed just north of
Marulan,
> >and the BoM's local scale sydney loop has shown pink and red reflectivity
> >levels (40mm/hr +) for the last 2 scans (20 minutes).
> >
> >No STA or STW out for any areas in NSW yet...will wait and see!
> >
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Hi All,

Only just noticed that the BoM now has local radar available for all Oz
sites
from their normal home pages: http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/radar/.

Guess this must now be a standard "product".  How long has this been here?
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Subject: aus-wx: Williamtown radar at 1420 AEDT
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Couldn't resist - massive cells popping up and down on Williamtown local
radar, also visible (albeit slightly overestimated in strength) on the
sydney broad scale.


Malcolm Ninnes
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John,

It went live to the public last Monday (27th)

RegardRay Jenkins
Senior Communications Consultant
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Hi guys,

The Illawarra has largely missed out, even after the warnings. From my location in a meeting room I heard no more than 3 rumbles, plus got some light rain. It is now a constant light rain, very humid, and the wind turning from the south to more of a ENE direction. Possibly it isn't over yet, noticed that there is some more dieing activity down towards Bowral/Roberston area.

Regards
Andrew

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> Heya rune,
> 
> we also had a brief shower of hail about20 minutes ago here at cranebrook..
> Lots of thunder too.
> More to follow
> 
> 
> dann
> __________________________
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> 
> > Hi all,
> > at galston in sydneys northwest we have just got some pea sized hail but
> the
> > best thing is the lightning and thunder, it is non stop, it just seemed to
> > build out of nowhere, doesnt feel anything like 36C at the moment but the
> > skies look full of promise for a fantastic day :)..atm 130pm... more to
> come
> > im sure
> >
> >
> > >From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER: Starting in Sydney?
> > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:19:57 +1100
> > >
> > >1220 AEDT (Strathfield, Sydney) at the moment.
> > >Over the last 45 minutes, a small cell has developed just north of
> Marulan,
> > >and the BoM's local scale sydney loop has shown pink and red reflectivity
> > >levels (40mm/hr +) for the last 2 scans (20 minutes).
> > >
> > >No STA or STW out for any areas in NSW yet...will wait and see!
> > >
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Subject: aus-wx: Cumnock - Manildra. storms. 
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2.50pm.. 29/11.

Its started here in Orange Yeoval area.. Blackouts reported in Cumnock,
Manildra areas.  Storms. in area now..

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A report has just come in from my mother who is 
driving back to Sydney from tammworth. She has just driven through Muswellbrook 
where she has described damage everywhere and hail drifts on the side of the 
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At 2:50pm a huge storm was approaching the Singleton area with another
one further north, both with big patches of maximum reflectivity in
them. The Blacktown/Ryde storms skirted past here (near Hornsby) a
couple of hours ago, a few rumbles and 5-6 mm of rain. Hope we get some
more tonight.

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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=10432104-29112000>Any 
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Looks like Maitland is about to get a bullseye...

Miguel de Salas
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Massive Damamge in the Hunter
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> Hey List!!
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> A report has just come in from my mother who is driving back to Sydney =
> from tammworth. She has just driven through Muswellbrook where she has =
> described damage everywhere and hail drifts on the side of the road of =
> over a foot deep. She has driven past on coming vehicles with smashed =
> windows, and east of Muswellbroook there seemed to be massive damage =
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> spirit of the TDU2k.

Having seen this monster on the radar I am not in the least surprised
- I don't think I can remember seeing a storm with a bigger 
area of 100+ echoes.

The line of activity in the eastern Victorian mountains looks 
interesting too (although it doesn't have much to hit other than
Omeo), as does its extension through the southern Riverina and a 
cell inland from Coffs Harbour.

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Looking at the radar for the last 1/2 an hour, the hunter storm just split
into two. One is moving NE with the surrounding clouds, the other moving SE
towards Maitland and Newcastle... Could be interesting...

Miguel de Salas
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot Humid Day
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> 
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> I believe there is one thing to consider when talking about 
> "impossible" dewpoints.  A thought experiment tells me that an
> airmass in thermal equilibrium resting over SSTs of, say, 32 C,
> should have a temperature *and* a dewpoint of 32 C *just* above
> the sea surface.  The caveat is that this dewpoint is by no means
> representative of the averaged dewpoint in the lower boundary layer,
> which might be something like 23 C.
> 
> Cheers,  Harald

...and in any case SSTs of 32 C are virtually unknown over the open
ocean - 31 seems to be about the upper bound. Higher SSTs are 
possible in enclosed bodies of shallow water, of which the Persian
Gulf is the classic example. (Whilst I haven't seen either cited 
in this context, I imagine the Red Sea and the Gulf of California
would be good candidates, too).

Dewpoint measurements are notorious for 'spiking' upwards if, for
example, the reservoir of water for the wet-bulb thermometer runs 
dry. A good way to pick this up is the presence of a significant 
diurnal range in the dewpoint - all other things being equal, the
dewpoint should have little or so diurnal range (leaving aside 
air mass changes, as can arise from seabreezes).

Sydney's midday dewpoint of 21 equals its November record, and 
Canberra's 18 is its highest since 1959. Melbourne also narrowly
missed its November record of 20 yesterday in the hours before the
change.

Blair
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Massive Damamge in the Hunter
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone not looking at Williamtown Local have a look 
NOW!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR043.shtml">http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR043.shtml</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can't say I've EVER seen that much RED on a cell 
before!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And what's the deal with the latest BoM STA advice 
??????? It doesn't even mention the Williamtown local Cell 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>IDW16N00</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE<BR>BUREAU OF 
METEOROLOGY<BR>NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE<BR>Issued at 1536 on Wednesday 
the 29th of November 2000</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This advice cancels and replaces the advice issued 
at 1338 hrs and now<BR>affects people in the following weather 
districts:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Southwest Slopes <BR>Southern Tablelands<BR>South 
Coast<BR>Mid-North Coast <BR>Central Tablelands,<BR>Hunter<BR>Upper Western, 
east of White Cliffs<BR>North West Slopes, south of Tamworth<BR>Central West 
Slopes and Plains </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thunderstorms are forecast over many parts of NSW 
today. Some of these are<BR>expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, 
damaging winds and very<BR>heavy rainfall. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms 
approach people should:<BR>&nbsp; * put vehicles under cover <BR>&nbsp; * move 
indoors away from windows</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During and after the storm people should:<BR>&nbsp; 
* beware of fallen trees and power lines <BR>&nbsp; * keep away from creeks and 
drains as you may be swept away <BR>&nbsp;<BR>The RTA recommends motorists 
switch their lights &amp; wipers on &amp; slow down in<BR>the 
wet.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>If your house is damaged contact the State Emergency Service 
on 132 500 for<BR>emergency assistance. Do not use the telephone during the 
storm. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Advice current for 
many parts of NSW.<BR>NOT FOR BROADCAST: This Advice message is valid until 6pm. 
The Bureau and<BR>SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this 
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JJ</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=nedz at bigpond.com href="mailto:nedz at bigpond.com">David Findlay</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:22 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: aus-wx: Massive Damamge in 
  the Hunter</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=10432104-29112000>Any 
  signs of twisters? Where are TDU2K at the moment.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=10432104-29112000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=10432104-29112000>David</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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    size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com">aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com</A> 
    [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> dann 
    weatherhead<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 29 November 2000 2:23 
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> 
    aus-wx: Massive Damamge in the Hunter<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey List!!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A report has just come in from my mother who is 
    driving back to Sydney from tammworth. She has just driven through 
    Muswellbrook where she has described damage everywhere and hail drifts on 
    the side of the road of over a foot deep. She has driven past on coming 
    vehicles with smashed windows, and east of Muswellbroook there seemed to be 
    massive damage where there where trees down everywhere and 'half a house' 
    spread out onto the road. She said police had closed sections of the road. 
    At this moment she is heading for Singleton. Seems like my mother is sharing 
    the spirit of the TDU2k.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dann</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>__________________________<BR>Daniel 
    Weatherhead <BR>Blaxland, NSW<BR><A 
    href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au">weatherhead at ozemail.com.au</A><BR>SYDNEY 
    STORM CHASERS<BR><A 
    href="http://www.sydneystormchasers.com">www.sydneystormchasers.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From: patricktobin at ozemail.com.au
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Subject: aus-wx: The NSW STA broadens...
Date: Wed, Nov 29 2000 16:18:04 GMT+1100
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The most recent STA update now includes the Southern Tablelands and SW Slopes. 

There appears to be a nice NNW-SSE aligned squall line developing to the west and south of Wagga. Could be an interesting evening for Canberra IF the line continues to develop and survives its eastward path across the ranges.

Woke to thunder at 6.00am this morning, some heavy (non thundery) showers mid morning, currently (4pm) sunny and 25 (DP a nice 16).

Patrick
(Canberra)


SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1536 on Wednesday the 29th of November 2000

This advice cancels and replaces the advice issued at 1338 hrs and now
affects people in the following weather districts:

Southwest Slopes 
Southern Tablelands
South Coast
Mid-North Coast 
Central Tablelands,
Hunter
Upper Western, east of White Cliffs
North West Slopes, south of Tamworth
Central West Slopes and Plains 

Thunderstorms are forecast over many parts of NSW today. Some of these are
expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall. 

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From: "David Findlay" <nedz at bigpond.com>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Massive Damamge in the Hunter
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:14:47 +1000
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=520501305-29112000>Wow! I 
would like to be in Maitland right now, as long as I had the <EM>Twister</EM> 
Dodge Ram. That can go through anything!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
  aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com 
  [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Karratha 
  Weather Observations<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 29 November 2000 2:58 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> aussie-weather at world.std.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: 
  Massive Damamge in the Hunter<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone not looking at Williamtown Local have a 
  look NOW!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
  href="http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR043.shtml">http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR043.shtml</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can't say I've EVER seen that much RED on a 
  cell before!!!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And what's the deal with the latest BoM STA 
  advice ??????? It doesn't even mention the Williamtown local Cell 
  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>IDW16N00</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE<BR>BUREAU OF 
  METEOROLOGY<BR>NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE<BR>Issued at 1536 on Wednesday 
  the 29th of November 2000</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This advice cancels and replaces the advice 
  issued at 1338 hrs and now<BR>affects people in the following weather 
  districts:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Southwest Slopes <BR>Southern Tablelands<BR>South 
  Coast<BR>Mid-North Coast <BR>Central Tablelands,<BR>Hunter<BR>Upper Western, 
  east of White Cliffs<BR>North West Slopes, south of Tamworth<BR>Central West 
  Slopes and Plains </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thunderstorms are forecast over many parts of NSW 
  today. Some of these are<BR>expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, 
  damaging winds and very<BR>heavy rainfall. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as 
  storms approach people should:<BR>&nbsp; * put vehicles under cover <BR>&nbsp; 
  * move indoors away from windows</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During and after the storm people 
  should:<BR>&nbsp; * beware of fallen trees and power lines <BR>&nbsp; * keep 
  away from creeks and drains as you may be swept away <BR>&nbsp;<BR>The RTA 
  recommends motorists switch their lights &amp; wipers on &amp; slow down 
  in<BR>the wet.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>If your house is damaged contact the State 
  Emergency Service on 132 500 for<BR>emergency assistance. Do not use the 
  telephone during the storm. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Advice current for 
  many parts of NSW.<BR>NOT FOR BROADCAST: This Advice message is valid until 
  6pm. The Bureau and<BR>SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until 
  this time.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JJ</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A href="mailto:nedz at bigpond.com" title=nedz at bigpond.com>David Findlay</A> 
    </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
    title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 29, 2000 
    12:22 PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: aus-wx: Massive Damamge in 
    the Hunter</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=10432104-29112000>Any 
    signs of twisters? Where are TDU2K at the moment.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=10432104-29112000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=10432104-29112000>David</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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      size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A 
      href="mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com">aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com</A> 
      [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> dann 
      weatherhead<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 29 November 2000 2:23 
      PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A 
      href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> 
      aus-wx: Massive Damamge in the Hunter<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey List!!</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A report has just come in from my mother who 
      is driving back to Sydney from tammworth. She has just driven through 
      Muswellbrook where she has described damage everywhere and hail drifts on 
      the side of the road of over a foot deep. She has driven past on coming 
      vehicles with smashed windows, and east of Muswellbroook there seemed to 
      be massive damage where there where trees down everywhere and 'half a 
      house' spread out onto the road. She said police had closed sections of 
      the road. At this moment she is heading for Singleton. Seems like my 
      mother is sharing the spirit of the TDU2k.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dann</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>__________________________<BR>Daniel 
      Weatherhead <BR>Blaxland, NSW<BR><A 
      href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au">weatherhead at ozemail.com.au</A><BR>SYDNEY 
      STORM CHASERS<BR><A 
      href="http://www.sydneystormchasers.com">www.sydneystormchasers.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
Subject: aus-wx: Williamtown Local Radar
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Could someone pls save an image of the Local Williamtown radar and send
them to me at davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au   .

Im unable to save as I dont have Explorer loaded here on my work pc..

This would be greatly appreciated..

Thanks

Dave
Bathurst..

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, David Jones wrote:

> A prime example is the thunderstorm which just went through
> Melbourne at ~8:10am this morning, which was totally unforecasted! Working
> in BOM, I was just a tad concerned driving to the station this morning at
> 7:30pm to hear the duty forecaster saying on the radio that we could expect
> a fine day, while said thunder cloud was developing before my eyes...
> 

In Clayton I awoke at 8:00am to a nice cumulus congestus right out my
window, with a seemingly disjoint, almost circular anvil above it.  There
was some nice thunder around, with one loud enough to rattle the bathroom
window whilst I was showering.  I was quite surprised (among others I
talked to here at uni) to have thunderstorms around this morning, which
brings me to the point of this email. 

What kicked them off?

See
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_11_29/VicIR0430_0930EDT.gif
for an ir loop of them forming, and a continuation here:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_11_29/VicIR0830_1330EDT.gif

I originally thought it may have been through forced lifting due to the
passage of the fronts. But looking at the MSL at 5am EDT 
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_11_29/MSL0500EDT.gif
showed that they would have been well passed by 8am.

Looking at the IR loop closely, one could see the original cell starting
off to the northwest of Melbourne and drifting southeastward, before
firing over the Gippsland region.  Could it be that the southerly flow
that was present over this region, which incidently began last evening,
provided the extra low level moisture (albeit cool) to fuel these storms?

Looking at last nights Melbourne sounding (blue lines):
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_11_29/melbsounding.gif
seems to show some instability in the upper regions (ie keep in mind that
the theoretical parcel profile is drawn on this chart using the red
curves, while for the blue curves, _I think_ it would be shifted more to
the right).  So once the air is lifted above ~600-700hPa, it would
continue to rise. 

So what would have provided the lifting from the surface?
Perhaps low level convergence in the Latrobe Valley via katabatic
drainage???
Although, the Vic observations (Gippsland region)
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_11_29/Vic_obs.html
show a mild night in this region, so perhaps this might not be the
initiator.

By the way, don't hesitate to pick out things I may have overlooked or
misinterpreted. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of things
here.


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/

Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

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<x-flowed>
I live in Canberra.


>From: Miguel de Salas <mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: New member
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:49:42 +1100
>
>At 12:20 PM 29-11-2000 +1100, you wrote:
> >Hi my name's Michael King and I used to lurk amongst the transcripts.  
>I've
> >decided to join as a fully fledged member of this list.  I'm interested 
>in
> >all aspects of meteorology except fine weather, but especially the 
>monsoon
> >and snow events.  Recently purchased a digital camcorder and once I've
> >worked out how to use it, I'll be out there chasing.  Woke up this 
>morning
> >to the sweetest sound: the peal of thunder, then mid morning had the
> >heaviest shower so far this spring.
>
>And where are you?
>
>Members of this list are spread far and wide, and it's nice to know where
>each is... :)
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>Miguel de Salas
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The latest STA now picks up the Hunter mega-storm..

It also mentions a storm between Bombala and Bega. For consistency, I would have also thought that specific mention be made of the storm to the south of Wagga (although with the Wagga radar dropping out for wind finding, its current position and strength as shown on radar may not be accurate).

From Canberra the anvils (and cells rising underneath) are clearly visible stretching across the southern sky.

One other question, does anyone know why the latest NSW STA is still labelled "Severe Thunderstorm Advice 1" on the web even though it is at least the 3rd (or 4th??)version with new districts included and other ones deleted. Others less fanatical ;-) than members of this list might think it is the same warning they may have seen around lunch-time today (now VERY out of date).

TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1621 on Wednesday the 29th of November 2000

This advice cancels and replaces the advice issued at 1536 hrs and now
affects people in the following weather districts:
Riverina east of a line through Henty to Griffith
Southwest Slopes 
Southern Tablelands
South Coast
Mid-North Coast 
Central Tablelands,
Hunter
Upper Western, east of White Cliffs
North West Slopes, south of Tamworth
Central West Slopes and Plains 

Thunderstorms are forecast over many parts of NSW today. Some of these are
expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds and very
heavy rainfall. 

At 4:10 pm a particularly large thunderstorm was located just northwest of
Newcastle and another large storm lies between Bega and Bombala in the
southeast of NSW
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> One other question, does anyone know why the latest NSW STA is still labelled "Severe Thunderstorm Advice 1" on the web even though it is at least the 3rd (or 4th??)version with new districts included and other ones deleted. Others less fanatical ;-) than members of this list might think it is the same warning they may have seen around lunch-time today (now VERY out of date).

As I understand it, this labelling is used to provide for the
case where there might be two STAs valid simultaneously in different
areas of the state (in which case they're labelled Advice 1 and
Advice 2). It's not intended to imply a chronological order.

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The Melbourne radar can and is picking up the line of storms in the Riverina
area :-)
Bussie (NE Victoria)

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Have been watching for a couple of hours now. Looks to be some pretty rough
stuff around the Riverina area and it's showing a lot of pinks etc on radar.
Nothing here but sunshine and heat.......
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Robert,

Not being in Melbourne makes it a bit harder to guess as to what prompted your early morning storms (ie whether the final push was a strengthening southerly, strong thermal contrast between the airmasses over Melbourne or some orographic origins from the Dandenongs or a combination of those).

The 23z sounding profile you link to does however indicate that a parcel of air at around 800hpa would have great buoyancy given any sort of trigger - perhaps one of those mentioned above?).

The sounding also shows that the southerly has brought in cooler air that is capped by a strong inversion at 900hpa and would not be interacting with the air at higher levels.

Also keep in mind that the 23z sounding is 11pm in Greenwich, UK or 10.00am Eastern Australian Summer Time. The red lines are from the latest sounding, the blue lines are from last nights sounding (useful to see how the profile is changing) and the theoretical parcel line is the grey line (based on the expected maximum temperature).

Cheers,

Patrick

Looking at last nights Melbourne sounding (blue lines):
<a href="http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_11_29/melbsounding.gif">http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_11_29/melbsounding.gif</a>
seems to show some instability in the upper regions (ie keep in mind that
the theoretical parcel profile is drawn on this chart using the red
curves, while for the blue curves, _I think_ it would be shifted more to
the right).  So once the air is lifted above ~600-700hPa, it would
continue to rise. 

So what would have provided the lifting from the surface?
Perhaps low level convergence in the Latrobe Valley via katabatic
drainage???

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Hey everyone
One of the things i love about storms is the anticipation that comes with 
them, and this system in the hunter and also central tablelands has been 
fantastic to watch, albeit mostly on radar, tracker and posts on here, i 
have been out at a lookout in maroota south of wisemans ferry and have 
caught a few glimpses of the massive system through the haze at times, i 
have never seen anything that big!, it gave me goosebumps.  Something 
interesting is that the cell that was red from cessnock to maitland (!?!?) 
since last time i checked seems to be moving south west, it looks like it is 
disappaiting slightly, i hope not, i want a taste of it here too :),, at the 
moment, 515pm large rainband coming from the northwest, what do sydneysiders 
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Subject: aus-wx: Williamtown radar images 
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Thanks to Mal and Barbara for sending the radar images.... Very good
indeed..

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Subject: aus-wx: TDU2K And Hunter
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Hi David And others.

Well Im very happy to report that our TDU2K chasers are onto the cells in th 
  ehunter as we speak. hey arrived into Singleton about 30 mins ago 
(1700utc) and are now after a possible supercell that is roughly over Jerry 
Plains heading NE. Matt Smith reported numerous pulsing CGs and a awesome 
inflow band into the storm. The cell that has been slowly heading South is 
also a beast and has been observed y our chasers as well. Its looking unreal 
out there atm... after watchig and weeping as I looked at the Williamtown 
radar all afternoon its great to know there out there. More reports as they 
come !

James


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>Subject: aus-wx: Massive Damamge in the Hunter
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:23:25 +1100
>
>Hey List!!
>
>A report has just come in from my mother who is driving back to Sydney from 
>tammworth. She has just driven through Muswellbrook where she has described 
>damage everywhere and hail drifts on the side of the road of over a foot 
>deep. She has driven past on coming vehicles with smashed windows, and east 
>of Muswellbroook there seemed to be massive damage where there where trees 
>down everywhere and 'half a house' spread out onto the road. She said 
>police had closed sections of the road. At this moment she is heading for 
>Singleton. Seems like my mother is sharing the spirit of the TDU2k.
>
>
>dann
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Bussie,

The Wagga radar was out this afternoon for two frames (0530 and 0540). This is unusually short - perhaps the proximity of some pretty impressive storms re-ordered priorities?

You can tell when it goes off-line by the colour of the background. When the Wagga radar goes off-line the backgound just to the north of Griffith becomes a lighter shade of brown (indicating that it is now out of radar range). 

I only noticed this myself a while ago when a decent band of storms was heading east from Wagga towards Canberra. They looked very significant on the radar and then suddenly disappeared. By this time I could also see the storms with my own eyes and I know they had not disappeared - it was the radar that had. You can see the down times of the regional radars on the BOM's site at(http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/radar/ ).

New radars in nthn Victoria and Captains Flat should go a long way to plugging some of the current holes in SE Aust.

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Rune...
The line from Bega to Wagga is interesting. Hard to pick why, but I
wouldn't be surprised uif it was another weak  convergence line
associated with the remnant trough that passed Melbourne this morning.
If so, anything's possible for Sydney later tonight
Don W

Rune Peitersen wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone
> One of the things i love about storms is the anticipation that comes with
> them, and this system in the hunter and also central tablelands has been
> fantastic to watch, albeit mostly on radar, tracker and posts on here, i
> have been out at a lookout in maroota south of wisemans ferry and have
> caught a few glimpses of the massive system through the haze at times, i
> have never seen anything that big!, it gave me goosebumps.  Something
> interesting is that the cell that was red from cessnock to maitland (!?!?)
> since last time i checked seems to be moving south west, it looks like it is
> disappaiting slightly, i hope not, i want a taste of it here too :),, at the
> moment, 515pm large rainband coming from the northwest, what do sydneysiders
> think of the line near wagga, any chance for late tonight?... cheers, rune
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Hi Rob and everyone else,

I got out in this yesterday, had a good time and didn't have to go far from
home.

When I first went out, I saw some interesting lowerings, a bit like the one
Tony Middleton got a photo of.  Very skinny, ropy looking lowering.  Also
had a bit of a rotating wall cloud, but no funnels dropped from that.  I was
right under it at Chirnside park as it seemed to strengthen considerably.
But then it seemed to die off around 7:00pm.

It started up again around 8pm, so I went back out to Chirnside Park for a
look and saw that it was further SE than I thought, but I still got a couple
of good CC's right over the top of me and people driving past yelling at me
to get out of the lightning.

I then went to Kilsyth to the football ground which has quite a nice view of
Mt Dandenong.  I set up the camera and took a few photos, one of which has
hopefully got an incredible CC that seemed to rise up from Mt Dandy and
twist around in the sky.  I am dropping the film in tonight, so I should
have them back tomorrow.

Will let you all know how they come out.

Chris

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Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER: Melbourne Thunderstorms


>
> Hi all
>
> Melbourne local radar showed quite a bit of activity to the north of
> Melbourne, drifting to the southeast. At the moment, things have just
> passed to the east of me at Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda) and there was
> quite frequent lightning with flashes every 5-20 secs. Unfortunately due
> to all the precipitation, these were only seen as flashes, ie no forks
> etc. Some nice soothing rumbles of thunder as well. Regarding precip,
> probably got a couple of mm as a 10-20mm passed over for a few minutes.
> With the sun setting, the view to the west was a beautiful orange, and a
> faintish rainbow could be seen in the northeast.
>
> I hope other Melbournites were successful in chasing some of this, as
> there had been quite a few red patches on the radar earlier. Also some
> severe thunderstorm warnings were issued by the Bureau, with the latest
> one issued at 7:37pm:
>
> Severe Thunderstorm Warning
> for the Melbourne Metropolitan Area
>
> Issued at 7:37pm on Tuesday the 28th of November 2000
>
> The first line of severe thunderstorms has cleared eastern suburbs but
> another area of storms has moved into northwestern suburbs and is expected
> to move southeastwards across the metropolitan area during the next hour
> and a half.  Heavy rainfall, wind squalls to 100km/h and hail are still
> possible.
>
> This warning will be reviewed at 9.00pm and should not be used after that
> time.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
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Just out of curiosity, what direction were you looking Liam?

I was up on Manchester road in Chirnside Park up to about 19:00 looking W
through to NNE and saw a lot of lowering with rotation, but didn't see any
funnels like that.

Look forward to seeing the photo's

Chris

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> Hi all.
>
> I've just been out chasing some of these great storms this arvo.
>
> A lot of flash flooding around the Eastern suburbs.   I was on Anderson's
> Creek Rd in Donvale at about 18:00, and the rain was so heavy, I had to
stop
> the car coz I couldn't see!
>
> The gutters were overflowing and the road under about 10cm of water in
about
> 2 mins!!!!!
>
> I then followed the storm out to Coldstream, and I saw a funnel
> cloud/possible tornado at about 19:10, from West Coldstream Rd.
>
> It was fairly large, with highly visible rotation and several multiple
> vortex areas extending downwards.  I have some shots that I took of it,
but
> unfortunately missed some of the first few bits as I was mesmerised for a
> minute by the sight, before stumbling for my camera.
>
> It lasted approx 4 mins, before it began to retract and lose structure.
>
> I could not see the ground where it may have touched down, as it was
behind
> a small hill.  The funnel extended to almost halfway to the ground at one
> point.
>
>
> I'll post the photos soon!
>
>
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Hi Michael,

Welome to the list...........It seems We Kings lurk everywhere :)

Regards
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> Hi my name's Michael King and I used to lurk amongst the transcripts.
I've
> decided to join as a fully fledged member of this list.  I'm interested in
> all aspects of meteorology except fine weather, but especially the monsoon
> and snow events.  Recently purchased a digital camcorder and once I've
> worked out how to use it, I'll be out there chasing.  Woke up this morning
> to the sweetest sound: the peal of thunder, then mid morning had the
> heaviest shower so far this spring.
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<x-flowed>
Hi every1,

Hmmnnn...I seem to recall that the sea temp in Darwin harbour on Dec. 24 
1974 may have been about 34 C...or is this another urban myth?

Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.


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> >
> >
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I believe there is one thing to consider when talking about
> > "impossible" dewpoints.  A thought experiment tells me that an
> > airmass in thermal equilibrium resting over SSTs of, say, 32 C,
> > should have a temperature *and* a dewpoint of 32 C *just* above
> > the sea surface.  The caveat is that this dewpoint is by no means
> > representative of the averaged dewpoint in the lower boundary layer,
> > which might be something like 23 C.
> >
> > Cheers,  Harald
>
>...and in any case SSTs of 32 C are virtually unknown over the open
>ocean - 31 seems to be about the upper bound. Higher SSTs are
>possible in enclosed bodies of shallow water, of which the Persian
>Gulf is the classic example. (Whilst I haven't seen either cited
>in this context, I imagine the Red Sea and the Gulf of California
>would be good candidates, too).
>
>Dewpoint measurements are notorious for 'spiking' upwards if, for
>example, the reservoir of water for the wet-bulb thermometer runs
>dry. A good way to pick this up is the presence of a significant
>diurnal range in the dewpoint - all other things being equal, the
>dewpoint should have little or so diurnal range (leaving aside
>air mass changes, as can arise from seabreezes).
>
>Sydney's midday dewpoint of 21 equals its November record, and
>Canberra's 18 is its highest since 1959. Melbourne also narrowly
>missed its November record of 20 yesterday in the hours before the
>change.
>
>Blair
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hunter a right mover
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:16:52 +1100
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Hi Miguel and all

Miguel wrote:
>Looking at the radar for the last 1/2 an hour, the hunter storm just split
>into two. One is moving NE with the surrounding clouds, the other moving SE
>towards Maitland and Newcastle... Could be interesting...

It was interesting but not terribly photogenic!. Thanks to Paul Graham, who 
was guiding me to the storm, I got up right under the right mover east of 
Maitland although it was dissipating at that stage. Make no mistake this 
storm was quite massive, CG lightning was very intense, although there was 
no hail at my location. The big dissapointment was (i) the area in which I 
intercepted it (smack bang on the F3) and (ii) the fact that it was a case 
of 'Gorillas in the mist' (as Michael Thompson so aptly described these 
situations) - too much low cloud and (iii) since Paul could not chase I was 
forced to go solo and so missed what would have been some excellent daytime 
lightning footage which would have been had on the FWY.

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     Greetings to everyone enjoying the Wx at the moment. Except in Nowra. 
Looking at every available format I can lay my hands on tonight(292143NOV00) 
everything seems to skip/miss/die/divert/veer from a corridoor that starts 
from JB, goes to Glb and then turns on a angle to Dubbo. There is activity 
on both sides of this that the list has been going off about all day. Nix 
here. Three rumbles this morning   at  5:45(me in shower), warm and muggy all 
day, STA's & STW's all over the place, lightning tracker going off. What do 
I get ?

                       What bloody Paddy shot at.


                                  Shaun     Nowra      AAARRRGGGHHH!!!
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hunter a right mover
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:04:58 +1100
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Hi Dave,
             When I checked the winds, it looked like there may have existed
a northern-hemisphere situation at the time and location of the storm with
veering rather than backing in the lowest layers..This may have favoured a
right mover, I don't know.. Just a guess.
- Paul G.

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> Hi Miguel and all
>
> Miguel wrote:
> >Looking at the radar for the last 1/2 an hour, the hunter storm just
split
> >into two. One is moving NE with the surrounding clouds, the other moving
SE
> >towards Maitland and Newcastle... Could be interesting...
>
> It was interesting but not terribly photogenic!. Thanks to Paul Graham,
who
> was guiding me to the storm, I got up right under the right mover east of
> Maitland although it was dissipating at that stage. Make no mistake this
> storm was quite massive, CG lightning was very intense, although there was
> no hail at my location. The big dissapointment was (i) the area in which I
> intercepted it (smack bang on the F3) and (ii) the fact that it was a case
> of 'Gorillas in the mist' (as Michael Thompson so aptly described these
> situations) - too much low cloud and (iii) since Paul could not chase I
was
> forced to go solo and so missed what would have been some excellent
daytime
> lightning footage which would have been had on the FWY.
>
> Regards,  David
>
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From where I was, I think the direction was to the ESE.



>From: "Chris Daley" <jindivik at bigpond.com>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnel cloud/possible tornado in VIC
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:56:28 +1100
>
>Just out of curiosity, what direction were you looking Liam?
>
>I was up on Manchester road in Chirnside Park up to about 19:00 looking W
>through to NNE and saw a lot of lowering with rotation, but didn't see any
>funnels like that.
>
>Look forward to seeing the photo's
>
>Chris
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>Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 11:29 PM
>Subject: aus-wx: Funnel cloud/possible tornado in VIC
>
>
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I've just been out chasing some of these great storms this arvo.
> >
> > A lot of flash flooding around the Eastern suburbs.   I was on 
>Anderson's
> > Creek Rd in Donvale at about 18:00, and the rain was so heavy, I had to
>stop
> > the car coz I couldn't see!
> >
> > The gutters were overflowing and the road under about 10cm of water in
>about
> > 2 mins!!!!!
> >
> > I then followed the storm out to Coldstream, and I saw a funnel
> > cloud/possible tornado at about 19:10, from West Coldstream Rd.
> >
> > It was fairly large, with highly visible rotation and several multiple
> > vortex areas extending downwards.  I have some shots that I took of it,
>but
> > unfortunately missed some of the first few bits as I was mesmerised for 
>a
> > minute by the sight, before stumbling for my camera.
> >
> > It lasted approx 4 mins, before it began to retract and lose structure.
> >
> > I could not see the ground where it may have touched down, as it was
>behind
> > a small hill.  The funnel extended to almost halfway to the ground at 
>one
> > point.
> >
> >
> > I'll post the photos soon!
> >
> >
> >
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