http://australiasevereweather.com/ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 01 Apr 01 01:23:30 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: [Fwd: [WX-CHASE] Northern Lights in Virginia!] Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Sam! 31 Mar 01 04:06, you wrote to Weather Chase Canada: SB> This should be a spectacular display in Canada. For y'all down under, SB> follow the link listed below, then scroll down the page to the SB> Southern Hemisphere image. It appears that southern Australia and New SB> Zealand may be within view of the aurora too and it may actually be SB> overhead in Tasmania! The aurora was detected by radio in SE Australia late this afternoon (I missed out on the fun :( ), but I didn't see anything later in the evening, might have been a case of arrival at the wrong time of day. :-( Tony, VK3JED .. If Marriage is Outlawed, only Outlaws will have Inlaws! -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:04:43 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: Image of the front Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com For those of you who are wondering what a not particularly active front looks like, I've created a composite image from the CSIRO images of SA & Vic at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_04_01.htm Now I've worked out how to do this, images like this may appear when we have significant weather in our part of the world. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:00:09 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: Pre frontal trough Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, What determines the distance between a pre-frontal trough and the primary front? The one crossing Victoria today has a distance of about 300km. Thanks, Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Pre frontal trough Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:01:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane and all. A cold frontal system can be a very complex area of airmass interchange,with changes not only to the surface flow but to the mid and upper layers as well, sometimes the upper portions of cold fronts can be carried forward of the mid and lower segments of a cold front especially when the lower layers are being retarded either by friction or variability's in the progression of synoptic scale systems i.e.. Highs and Lows. Also there are other factors too and upper portions of cold fronts can be carried away by stronger upper winds,another factor in the development of pre frontal troughs is moving wave action developed by the cold front itself, i.e. At 300hpa or around that level the surface cold front can act as an interruption to the flow at high levels,(the upper levels are sometimes moving much faster.) this situation can then set up propagation of down wind waves with their attached moving troughs and ridges, under these generated waves and upper troughs certain types of weather can be generated, under upper troughs this can induce the development of thunderstorms in mid latitude and sub tropical locations (also upper troughs can also advect colder air forward of the surface front and destabilising the airmass below),such systems can be seen especially in the summer half of the year occurring well ahead of the surface cold front and sometimes the cold front can even dissipate but the upper trough can still be detected. regards Clyve Herbert..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Aussie-wx Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: aus-wx: Pre frontal trough > Afternoon all, > > What determines the distance between a pre-frontal trough and the > primary front? The one crossing Victoria today has a distance of about > 300km. > > Thanks, > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:19:08 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: Aurora Australis Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Aurora Australis was viewed last evening (between 10pm and midnight local time) over many parts of the South Island with some good views observed from my home in Christchurch on the east coast of the South Island. Mainly orange coloured hues in an arc across the sky with weak light beams from the south. bluey whitish glow to the south. A feint "set of curtains" was observed about 1130pm local time. Unfortunatelty, not all that clear to be recorded on video here. Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it made the viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much weather to watch of late. Any observations from Australia? JohnGaul NZ Aurora Australis Watchers Society +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tully River Flood Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:47:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Does it ever stop raining up there? INITIAL FLOOD WARNING FOR THE TULLY RIVER Issued at 10:11pm on Sunday the 1st of April 2001 by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane. Heavy rain over the weekend has caused rises and minor flooding in the Tully River. The Tully River at Euramo was 7.05 metres at 9pm Sunday evening and rising slowly. The river level at Euramo is expected to peak at about 7.4 metres overnight which is 0.7 metres below the level of the approaches to the Bruce Highway Bridge. Further rainfall overnight may increase these levels. Highest rainfall totals since 9am Thursday include Bolinda Estate 284mm, Jarrah Creek 335mm and Tully 339mm. Elsewhere totals have been generally less than 100mm. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:24:31 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: aus-wx: Sydney severe storm warning Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, I'm surprised no Sydney people have mentioned this: TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1053 on Monday the 2nd of April 2001 This warning affects people in the Sydney Metropolitan area. This warning is current until midday. A thunderstorm is currently located near Bundeena in the Royal National Park [south of Sydney] and is forecast to move towards the north-northeast. While the centre of the storm is likely to lie out to sea, the western flank of the storm may pass across the Cronulla area and the Eastern Suburbs during the next hour. Large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall are possible. Radar shows plenty of cells in the red just along the coast tracking NNE Michael ============================================================= Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ NE NSW Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ============================================================= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.224.2] From: "James Harris" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:49:01 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 01:49:02.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[1798B6A0:01C0BB17] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Im going to go to meetings more oftne if it produces the results I got when walking out of there ! Sydney - 11:20am and cells line up to the South with Radar showing some impressive Red on some of them as they head up along the Illawarra Coast ! Whether they will hit here Im not too sure but the BOM seem to think so looking at the STW they have issued. NIce to see that they have explained the reasons for their STW as well advising that even though the main cell is out to sea , the flanking line may produce damaging winds, hail, etc !! Lookins from my office I can see a big TCU has shot up over Camden and radar seems to be picking this up also ! SE'r has come through already also so this has come as a bit of a shock as Im sure mnost sydney Siders wil tell you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator Hopefully more reports to come . Dann is in the city atm and is seeing some very dark areas through the buildings to the south ! Here's hoping ! James H _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Avo To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Storm...? X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 137.111.13.32 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmm, Looking out my window towards the North there seems to be some darkish cloud. Tuning the scanner to the Sydney ATIS (126.25) reports Cumulonimbus in area but no storm warnings. I might scan the air freqs for a while and see what the pilots say. Awe hell, the sun just came out! Avo Ohanian IT Support Macquarie University _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:44:28 +1000 From: "Craig Geddes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Storm...? X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id WAA13673 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All quiet here at Terrey Hills ..been and gone 0.2mm rain regards ****************************************** Craig Geddes Superintendent Warringah Pittwater District NSW Rural Fire Service Thompson Drive, Terrey Hills, N.S.W. Australia, 2084 Phone 9450 3000 Fax 9450 1028 Mobile 0417 265 173 Email Address : craig.geddes at warringah.nsw.gov.au >>> stormchaser_1 at excite.com 02/04/2001 12:30:27 >>> Hmmm, Looking out my window towards the North there seems to be some darkish cloud. Tuning the scanner to the Sydney ATIS (126.25) reports Cumulonimbus in area but no storm warnings. I might scan the air freqs for a while and see what the pilots say. Awe hell, the sun just came out! Avo Ohanian IT Support Macquarie University _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Storms - Sydney To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:11:32 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/04/2001 01:11:31 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just recvd reports from mate listening to scanner in Sydney.. Maroubra Surf Club rook blown off, media there. Coogee also hit bad with roofs and trees blown down.. Getting more reports soon.. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:16:32 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: severe sydney storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ok I just got back from Maroubra (a few beaches down from Bondi) and WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Brief summary : Large lowering and funnel cloud along the coastline between Maroubra and La Parouse (sp) (awesome) 2.5cm hail driven by 50 knot winds, will check for dents shortly a CG hit behind me, likely a powerpole, within 15 metres. Matthew Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storms - Sydney Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:42:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com yep i heard the same one on mine i had small hail heavy rain only for a short time in petersham FOR ONCE WE GET IT NOT THE WEST HORAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: aus-wx: Storms - Sydney > Just recvd reports from mate listening to scanner in Sydney.. > > Maroubra Surf Club rook blown off, media there. Coogee also hit bad with > roofs and trees blown down.. > > Getting more reports soon.. > > Dave > > > > > ############################################################################ ######### > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are > not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. > ############################################################################ ######### > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney BoM... On the latest STW: MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. On the STA: MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau and SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do develop. Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts. Malcolm Ninnes Unix Systems Admin National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd Ph. (02) 9722-1862 ninnesm at franklins.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: What caused Melbourne's Thursday downpour? To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:52:44 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi Laurier.and all. > This is not the first time I have seen this type of rain generating system > across central Victoria,I believe in 1977 a similar situation produced 177mm > in the Laverton area (92mm this time).A feature of this type of rain event > is a rather narrow and vigorous rain band moving from a southwest,south, or > southeast direction,its interesting to note that often the warmer air is on > the west side (at the surface at least). I personally call this situation a > "wrap around", some work has been done on this type of phenomena in the > British Isles , I think they call the synoptic situation a "bent back > occlusion" and this type of situation has produced narrow bands of heavy > rain there(and localised heavy snow also).From my obs the situation is > rather complex, the wrap around can be traced to an infeed band usually > moving from the north or northeast to the east of the low and then > converging into the low ,but sometimes the band wraps around the apparent > low centre with multible spiralls often in the mature stage (an occluded > low). This region has a very interesting set-up with colder air on the east > side and warmer air to the west also there appears to be a narrow warm > conveyer belt in the middle layers and generally all very moist,the region > appears to develop into a strong convergence zone with most of the > precipitation developing in the lower and mid levels with what appears to > be copious amounts of "warm rain",the type of rain is often of the small to > medium size (this may account for the lack of electrical activity) but I > also encountered short spells of very heavy and large drops from what are > possibly deeper and perhaps glaciated larger embedded cumuliform > developments.The structure of this Melbourne rain band showed 20 to 30 knot > south to south-westerly winds on the west side of the rain band and only > light north to northeasterlie on the east side,it was markedly warmer on the > west side at the surface .Also there is possibly good upper surport along > the convergence line with relitivly strong upper winds of a southerly > componant.regards Clyve Herbert.--- Original Message ----- I'd had a look at the April 1977 event as well. The synoptic situation was comparable - Melbourne was on the western side of a broad area of low pressure (couldn't find charts with sufficiently high resolution to see whether the finer-scale pattern was similar). Damage/general reports are tricky to come by - my usual source for such things is the book of newspaper clippings, but because it happened on the afternoon of Easter Thursday there were no papers for another 36 hours, and the Monthly Weather Review wasn't much help either. There were, however, reports of severe winds in the Altona area, something largely absent from the 2001 event, and the rain was both heavier and more widespread (188mm at Laverton, 132 at Melbourne Airport, and several other triple-digit falls as far north- east as Yan Yean). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: NSW - STA. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:25:35 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/04/2001 03:25:33 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDW16N02 TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1426 on Monday the 2nd of April 2001 This advice affects people in the following weather districts: Central Tablelands Hunter Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of these may be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall. ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.3] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 06:14:26.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B5DE6E0:01C0BB3C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Gday all, It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral. Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado, saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in NSW, and also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including Wentworthville and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, (possible by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune >From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000 > >I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney >BoM... > >On the latest STW: >MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued >unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in >force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. > >On the STA: >MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau >and >SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There >are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed >Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do >develop. > > >Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making >up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts. > > >Malcolm Ninnes >Unix Systems Admin >National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd >Ph. (02) 9722-1862 >ninnesm at franklins.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:48:36 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDW24400 BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. PRIORITY TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2 Issued at 12:40 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001 BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH A WARNING is now current for Christmas Island for a Category 1 tropical cyclone. At 12 noon WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 260 kilometres east of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour. Gales are not expected in the Christmas Island area today, but may develop on Tuesday as the cyclone moves closer and intensifies. Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 12 noon WST. Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of Latitude 10.0 South Longtitude 108.0 East. Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour. Central Pressure : 995 hPa. Maximum wind gusts : 90 kilometres per hour near the centre. Severity category : 1. The next advice will be issued at 4:00pm WST. This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 Jacob +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:56:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jacob Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation. Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter. My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms > > IDW24400 > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > > Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. > > PRIORITY > > TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2 > Issued at 12:40 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001 > BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > > A WARNING is now current for Christmas Island for a Category 1 tropical > cyclone. > > At 12 noon WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 260 kilometres east > of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour. > > Gales are not expected in the Christmas Island area today, but may develop on > Tuesday as the cyclone moves closer and intensifies. > > Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 12 noon WST. > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > Latitude 10.0 South Longtitude 108.0 East. > Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour. > Central Pressure : 995 hPa. > Maximum wind gusts : 90 kilometres per hour near the centre. > Severity category : 1. > > The next advice will be issued at 4:00pm WST. > This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 > > Jacob > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:42:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the SE was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there. There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it is dry. Now over two weeks without rain. Edge city yet again. Michael > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator > Hopefully more reports to come . > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:00:01 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin/Clyve/all Now, I must admit as to not being well versed in historical tornado occurrences in the US (or anywhere for that matter :-P), so I tried looking these events up, with the aim of finding pictures of what you tried to describe. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any obvious examples, so apologies if I misinterpret your question. > When you say periphery do you mean internal or external to the main tornado? My immediate thought about this was that the internal and external suction vortices are the same thing. The 'internal' vortices are such that they are hidden because of the condensation in the region which blocks them from view. Dare I say that in weaker events where the central pressure isn't as low, then the warming and drying associated with the downdraft may be more conducive to produce more visible suction vortices, and so make them appear to be external. In my web searches I came across the following website: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/d5vbcs/outbreak65.html which has some photos of the Palm Sunday 1965 event, and shows twin tornadoes: http://members.nbci.com/d5vbcs/palmsunday/goshen4.gif Now, I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to about the external vortices, perhaps this may be too extreme an example. But in this case, apparently this was the merger of two tornadoes. Perhaps things may(?) be clearer once you read the answer to your second question. > (question 2 I guess) are clusters of rotating vortices > considered one tornado or separate? I'm no expert here, but I'm guessing that you would probably judge a tornado by its parent circulation. So if you see vortices orbiting around a common centre, then you would define the centre as the tornado. However, if these vortices are moving independent of each other, than they would be classified as distinct tornadoes. On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > i.e can an equation be established from the speed of the rotation above > the friction boundary layer and then the retardation from this point to > the surface of the earth,the resultant and at times severe suction > spots/vortices may exhibit speeds briefly close to the non frictional > speed of the main tornado?!!.It is well known from photographic analysis > that these secondary vortices can produce much stronger gusts and damage > than the mean frictionally retarded tornadatic circulation. All I can say here is that before any downdraft within the tornado takes place, the vertical vorticity is distributed across the whole diameter of the tornado. As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would result in increased wind speeds. With instabilities forming on this annulus to form the suction vortices, they would rotate at some speed around the central tornado while this tornado is translating at some other speed. Add all these velocity components together (speed due to concentrated vert. vorticity + speed of rotation of instabilities + tornado speed), and you would come up with some fairly big speeds. Obviously though, friction plays a big role and I'd imagine that most, if not all F5 occurrences have been over flat countryside as opposed to forested or very hilly/mountainous terrain. One final thing, _I am by no means an expert here_, and all of what I've mentioned so far has been from what I have read over the past week and what I think. So feel free to criticise or add to anything that has been said here. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p67-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.67] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:43:54 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Weather unrelated Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and would put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little lip prints. Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called all the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. She explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror. Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror. There are teachers and then there are teachers. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather unrelated Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:10:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy, I have just seen that one sent to the Monash List Server. I agree as a teacher/educator, it is very good. Carolyn > According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a > unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and would > put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their > lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little > lip prints. > Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called all > the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. She > explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the > custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how > difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to > clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it > into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror. > Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror. > There are teachers and then there are teachers. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p67-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.67] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:32:42 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather unrelated Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well I am just that.. A teacher.. well I attend classes anyway. Jimmy Deguara At 10:10 PM 2/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Jimmy, >I have just seen that one sent to the Monash List Server. I agree as a >teacher/educator, it is very good. > >Carolyn > > > > According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a > > unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and >would > > put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their > > lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of >little > > lip prints. > > Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called >all > > the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. >She > > explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the > > custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how > > difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to > > clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it > > into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror. > > Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror. > > There are teachers and then there are teachers. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:36 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media From: Mark Hardy To: , wz list Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms. In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting worked up about it. Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back together in Maroubra. The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between the Bureau and the media/public. Mark > From: "Rune Peitersen" > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media > > Gday all, > It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they > just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn > it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy > showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral. > Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations > news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado, > saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in NSW, and > also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including Wentworthville > and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, (possible > by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune > >> From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au >> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media >> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000 >> >> I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney >> BoM... >> >> On the latest STW: >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued >> unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in >> force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. >> >> On the STA: >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau >> and >> SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There >> are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed >> Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do >> develop. >> >> >> Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making >> up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts. >> >> >> Malcolm Ninnes >> Unix Systems Admin >> National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd >> Ph. (02) 9722-1862 >> ninnesm at franklins.com.au >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:54:35 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jacob and All. Does any body have BoM TC Advices #1 and #3 for TC Walter? If so, please email them to me at carls at ace-net.com.au. TCA#5 is pasted below. Regards, Carl. >IDW24400 >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. > >PRIORITY > >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5 >Issued at 9:55 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001 >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > >A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone. > >At 9 pm WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres >northeast >of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour. > >Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area >overnight, as the cyclone passes close to the Island. > >Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 9 pm WST. > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > Latitude 9.8 South Longitude 106.3 East. > Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour. > Central Pressure : 995 hPa. > Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre. > Severity category : 1. > >The next advice will be issued at 1:00am WST Tuesday. >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:44:28 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon and All. >Jacob > >Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation. > >Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still >show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter. > >My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have >any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days. > >Regards >Simon Whilst either of the two main TS flare ups E of Cape York do look like they could have some potential for development if they continue to organise for a few days as they have quite cold cloud tops, I would not hold my breath waiting as the extent of the clouds is quite small, with the one near 150E being the best candidate. When I colour enhanced the 021132 satpic it looks to me like there is a weak monsoonal low over the Gulf of Carpentaria area which could be a better candidate for development, however it would also have to get rather better organised than it is at the moment. TCA#6 for Walter pasted below. Regards, Carl. >IDW24400 >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. > >PRIORITY > >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 6 >Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 3 April 2001 >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > >A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone. > >At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres >northnortheast of Christmas Island and moving westnorthwest at 14 >kilometres per >hour. > >Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area early >this morning, as the cyclone passes close to the Island. > >Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at midnight WST. > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > Latitude 9.6 South Longitude 106.1 East. > Recent movement : Westnorthwest at 14 kilometres per hour. > Central Pressure : 995 hPa. > Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre. > Severity category : 1. > >The next advice will be issued at 4:00am WST Tuesday. >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:02:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the > people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau > should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as > well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly > meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between > the Bureau and the media/public. This is not all that true... The media [1] reports what will sell copies, in the way to best exploit that event. People don't want information, they want exciting information, and this is what they get when the media takes a storm and turns it into "Freak Storm Hits Beach, Residents Saw Tornado". The Bureau will always be in a position of trying to present factual information to those who need it, while being seen as a stick in the mud by the general population. My whole view on this is IF there was enough funding to go around, then a separate general media section could be tacked on that could take the sci information, and "dumb it down" for the media and general population. Those with sci backgrounds or knowledge could still get the exact information they require, and the media and general population would get the weather delivered in a language that sells/excites without being distorted. Pauly (kinda part of that media, but trying hard not to be) [1] General media, the sort that you see on TV and most newspapers -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Nothing Communications & Design paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.5] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: What caused Melbourne's Thursday downpour? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:41:24 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 23:41:24.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DB8D260:01C0BBCE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ah...memories... I don't recall the synoptic situation too well (these were the pre-internet days where, if you missed the TV weather, you had to wait for the newspaper to get a 24 out of date SLP and satellite image.) I missed the TV weather that night... I was a student at Monash Uni and was returning to Ballarat for Easter. I left Monash at around 3pm after drinking lots of coffee and frantically finishing some assignments. I wasn't too aware of the rain until I got onto the Tullamarine (now Calder?) Fwy and there I stayed for the next four hours in traffic that was brought to a standstill. My most vivid memory was feeling my bladder fill past bursting point - but being surrounded by stationary cars full of people, torrential rain and more rain and water and running water and water everywhere and even more water.....and my over-full bladder.... agonising as it was, there was not much I could do to relieve the situation... (I think after about 3 hours and increasingly desparate and fuzzy headed, I found a plastic bag..but not a very big one!!) After hours of continuing agony and centimeter by painfull centimeter, I finally got to Keilor where the freeway was completely closed by flooding and we were sent back to Melbourne. :-( At least the traffic was moving in this direction (must have averaged an impressive 5-10 kmh)and I managed to get off the freeway and find a public convenience for a couple of very relieving minutes... I finally got to Ballarat at 1.00am - a ten hour trip normally done in just under two. Also noticed how comparatively dry everything was once I got past the Melton/Bacchus Marsh area. It was certainly a weather induced experience that has long remained ethched in my memory - and other anatomical regions!! Patrick >From: Blair Trewin [snip..] > >I'd had a look at the April 1977 event as well. The synoptic >situation was comparable - Melbourne was on the western side of >a broad area of low pressure (couldn't find charts with sufficiently >high resolution to see whether the finer-scale pattern was similar). > >Damage/general reports are tricky to come by - my usual source for >such things is the book of newspaper clippings, but because it >happened on the afternoon of Easter Thursday there were no papers for >another 36 hours, and the Monthly Weather Review wasn't much help >either. There were, however, reports of severe winds in the Altona >area, something largely absent from the 2001 event, and the rain >was both heavier and more widespread (188mm at Laverton, 132 at >Melbourne Airport, and several other triple-digit falls as far north- >east as Yan Yean). > >Blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:53:11 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media From: Mark Hardy To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid. > From: "Paul Mirtschin" > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:02:27 +1000 > To: > Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media > > The Bureau will always be in a position of trying to present factual > information > to those who need it, while being seen as a stick in the mud by the general > population. > > My whole view on this is IF there was enough funding to go around, then a > separate general media section could be tacked on that could take the sci > information, and "dumb it down" for the media and general population. > > Those with sci backgrounds or knowledge could still get the exact information > they require, and the media and general population would get the weather > delivered in a language that sells/excites without being distorted. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:12:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Move :-) Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! > And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the SE > was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there. > > There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it > is dry. Now over two weeks without rain. > > Edge city yet again. > > Michael > > > > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator > > Hopefully more reports to come . > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:01:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid. Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report" that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this could work as damage control in these instances. Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I play journalist again... -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Nothing Communications & Design paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:54:35 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here yesterday. http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel cloud. Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast). The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with dark colours. Matthew Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:26:05 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Fantastic report and photos! Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the photos! AC Matt Smith wrote: > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here > yesterday. > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel > cloud. > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast). > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with > dark colours. > > Matthew Smith > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p58-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.122] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:47:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Mark and all, Mark, I agree with you on that point. As I have said some time before, we don't have to get work up about the words mini-tornado and so on. We know what we are talking about and that's what matters. We hear this argument every time it happens. It begins to get monotonous. Cheers Jimmy Deguara At 06:19 PM 2/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological >perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is >perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most >likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to >have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms. > >In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from >many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the >public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting >worked up about it. > >Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in >Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back >together in Maroubra. > >The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the >people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau >should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as >well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly >meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between >the Bureau and the media/public. > >Mark > > > From: "Rune Peitersen" > > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media > > > > Gday all, > > It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they > > just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn > > it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy > > showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral. > > Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations > > news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado, > > saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in > NSW, and > > also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including > Wentworthville > > and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, > (possible > > by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune > > > >> From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au > >> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >> Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media > >> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000 > >> > >> I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney > >> BoM... > >> > >> On the latest STW: > >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued > >> unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in > >> force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. > >> > >> On the STA: > >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau > >> and > >> SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There > >> are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed > >> Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do > >> develop. > >> > >> > >> Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like > making > >> up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts. > >> > >> > >> Malcolm Ninnes > >> Unix Systems Admin > >> National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd > >> Ph. (02) 9722-1862 > >> ninnesm at franklins.com.au > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:15:26 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul, Mark, Jimmy - others ... The expression "dumbing down" is not really appropriate. It is rather arrogant to assume that an explanation is more usable and understood language is dumbing down. Economics is something that always fascinated me but something I never really understood. I find the layman's explanations of someone like the Sydney Morning Herald's Ross Gittings bot useful informatative and interesting. Maybe he thinks there is dumbing down in his explanations - that only one of his I didn't like was "Why did God invent weather forecasters?" The answer "To make economists look good". These days it should be the other way around. Why anybody reading the morning papaers would want an explanation of what happened in yesterday's storm is beyond me... the effects are the news. Enough from me. Cheers, Don White Paul Mirtschin wrote: > > > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys > > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging > > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have > > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid. > > Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format > that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report" > that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that > they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau > gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this > could work as damage control in these instances. > > Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I > play journalist again... > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Nothing Communications & Design > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Everybody is somebody else's freak > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter (and possible others !) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:51:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Carl Thanks for that. I think I'd gone to sleep regarding TC's this year southern hemisphere generally, but Coral Sea and eastward especially. My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit). Couple of good TC swirls farther out in Indian Ocean also. One of which is already a TC according to JTWC. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:44 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms > Hi Simon and All. > > >Jacob > > > >Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation. > > > >Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still > >show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter. > > > >My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have > >any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days. > > > >Regards > >Simon > > > Whilst either of the two main TS flare ups E of Cape York do look like they > could have some potential for development if they continue to organise for > a few days as they have quite cold cloud tops, I would not hold my breath > waiting as the extent of the clouds is quite small, with the one near 150E > being the best candidate. When I colour enhanced the 021132 satpic it looks > to me like there is a weak monsoonal low over the Gulf of Carpentaria area > which could be a better candidate for development, however it would also > have to get rather better organised than it is at the moment. > > TCA#6 for Walter pasted below. > > Regards, > Carl. > > >IDW24400 > >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > > > >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. > > > >PRIORITY > > > >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 6 > >Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 3 April 2001 > >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > > > >A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone. > > > >At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres > >northnortheast of Christmas Island and moving westnorthwest at 14 > >kilometres per > >hour. > > > >Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area early > >this morning, as the cyclone passes close to the Island. > > > >Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at midnight WST. > > > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > > Latitude 9.6 South Longitude 106.1 East. > > Recent movement : Westnorthwest at 14 kilometres per hour. > > Central Pressure : 995 hPa. > > Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre. > > Severity category : 1. > > > >The next advice will be issued at 4:00am WST Tuesday. > >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Storms - Orange area. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:21:14 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 03/04/2001 06:21:08 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 6.15pm 03/4 Currently severe storms in Orange, Springhill, Molong, Springside, Forest Reefs, Canowindra, Walli, Millthorpe, Woodstock, Coonabarabran,.. Power reported off in most of these areas.. Dave Bathurst ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Co." To: "Maillist Weather doods" Subject: aus-wx: NSW Thunderstorm Potential Tomorrow... Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:39:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Given that there are some active thunderstorms tonight around the Central West of NSW (which is an indication of the unstable air aloft), I am thinking that maybe tomorrow may see more isolated storms (even severe) as the Mesolaps model shows a trough by tomorrow night extending from around Sydney to the north of the state...The waters offshore are still very warm as winds tend northeasterly there should be a favourable fuel source. There is no mention on the official BoM forecast as such. Paul G. ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p58-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.122] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:31:27 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I agree Anthony, I certainly am interested in the photo http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm Seems to be reminiscent to http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no doubts the others were funnel(s). Great stuff Matt. Jimmy Deguara At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Fantastic report and photos! > >Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the >photos! > >AC > >Matt Smith wrote: > > > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here > > yesterday. > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm > > > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel > > cloud. > > > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast). > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with > > dark colours. > > > > Matthew Smith > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.206] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:25:23 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2001 09:25:23.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[028CA140:01C0BC20] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, I take your other points on board but the quote below "... As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would result in increased wind speeds..." seems to imply that conservation of angular momentum causes the velocity increase in vortices. Now (I stand to be corrected here as usual) but I am reliably informed that conservation of angular momentum (from the rotating TS) has little to do with tornado formation. I can check back thru the archives but I think it was Les Lemon who informed the list (if it wasn't...billions of apologies!!!) If you mean that the circulation within the wall cloud influences tornado speeds by conservation of momentum then I need to ask how the (admittedly rare) contra-rotating vortices form... BTW...the twin vortices on the Palm Sunday outbreak site ring a bell but I also recall a triplet photo from somewhere and the inner vortices I was talking about may be best called mini-swirls (from some work done on TCs...) Don't know if I've made my query easier or more obscure...:(( Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:49:07 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aus-wx: Aurora Australis Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi john, all i am in queensland so i got no hope:( i love the aurora, though i've never seen it. i thought we might have had a reply from someone in the south. have you photographed any from where you are?? steve The Aurora Australis was viewed last evening (between 10pm and midnight local time) over many parts of the South Island with some good views observed from my home in Christchurch on the east coast of the South Island. Mainly orange coloured hues in an arc across the sky with weak light beams from the south. bluey whitish glow to the south. A feint "set of curtains" was observed about 1130pm local time. Unfortunatelty, not all that clear to be recorded on video here. Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it made the viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much weather to watch of late. Any observations from Australia? JohnGaul NZ Aurora Australis Watchers Society +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Steve Baynham http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.simplenet.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Co." To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Maroubra Storm... Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:56:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I thought it was interesting that the Channel 9 news reported the Bureau suggesting the storm could have been a lot worse and Maroubra only scored the tail end of it. If true, it would suggest that they had additional information, perhaps from the Kurnell Doppler radar... Paul G. ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. > I agree Anthony, > > I certainly am interested in the photo > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm > > Seems to be reminiscent to > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg > > This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no > doubts the others were funnel(s). > > Great stuff Matt. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Fantastic report and photos! > > > >Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the > >photos! > > > >AC > > > >Matt Smith wrote: > > > > > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here > > > yesterday. > > > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm > > > > > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel > > > cloud. > > > > > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was > > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did > > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast). > > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar > > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with > > > dark colours. > > > > > > Matthew Smith > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >-- > >Anthony Cornelius > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > >(07) 3390 4812 > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: OFF TOPIC : warnings and media Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:14:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > was > "Why did God invent weather forecasters?" > > The answer "To make economists look good". > I think the fortunes of the Australian dollar over the years proves economists are pretty clueless. Over the years these are actual comments that I have heard. " The Australian Dollar rode down against the pound on the back of the green back " - must have jumped off that green back at some stage. " The Australian Dollar is weak because Australia is seen as a commodity country and commodity prices are weak" - well commodity prices have increased - Gold, oil, even coal. " The Australia Dollar is weak as interest are low making it an unattractive investment " - why wasn't the Aussi worth a squillion back in the 18% interest days then. " The Australia Dollars is pegged to the fortunes of the Euro " - only when the Euro is falling it seems. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:16:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Believe me if I could I would !! Still dry by the way. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "McDonald" To: Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2001 13:12 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! > Move :-) > > Macca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Thompson > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! > > > > And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the > SE > > was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there. > > > > There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it > > is dry. Now over two weeks without rain. > > > > Edge city yet again. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator > > > Hopefully more reports to come . > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.206] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Archive update... Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:37:56 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2001 10:37:56.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[257CD440:01C0BC2A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, I've just posted the March 2001 data that I've archived... http://wycheproof.www3.50megs.com/ Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Matt Smith's funnel report. Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:57:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Matt. Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and Sydney should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve Herbert. ASWA Victoria. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:20:23 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin Thanks for the reply. This may start to get messy, so let's see how this goes. On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Kevin Phyland wrote: > [Comment by me] > "... As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets > concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would > result in increased wind speeds..." > > seems to imply that conservation of angular momentum causes the velocity > increase in vortices. Now (I stand to be corrected here as usual) but I am > reliably informed that conservation of angular momentum (from the rotating > TS) has little to do with tornado formation. I can check back thru the > archives but I think it was Les Lemon who informed the list (if it > wasn't...billions of apologies!!!) > Keep in mind here that I haven't mentioned anything about the formation of the _entire_ tornado complex, but merely the smaller scale suction vortices. _These_ I feel are governed by vorticity concentration. However, if this is not the case, then I'm happy to hear other explanations. I haven't disputed the fact that the entire tornado circulation is initiated at cloud level. Perhaps see below for a clarification. > If you mean that the circulation within the wall cloud influences tornado > speeds by conservation of momentum then I need to ask how the (admittedly > rare) contra-rotating vortices form... I must admit that my comment about the concentration of vorticity leading to an increase in wind speed wasn't as specific as I should have made it, so apologies there. The vorticity concentration leads to increased windspeeds at _localised_ regions around with updraft/downdraft boundary, and not _throughout_ the entire tornado circulation. The above comment "" may have implied the windspeeds increase throughout the tornado, and thus imply that the tornado as a whole intensifies through this process. In reality, this annulus isn't going to be perfectly round owing to the presence of barotropic instabilities which occur on this surface. Consequently, at these localised regions within this "annulus" vorticity will be concentrated more, and so in these regions, winds will be more intense and these regions are the suctions spots. [I hope I'm clearer here :-P] So, the key thing here is that this vorticity concentration occurs on a smaller scale to the tornado, resulting in localised pockets of higher velocity. One question that could be asked is how do these barotropic instabilities arise on this annulus of higher vorticity? At the moment I have an idea, but I need to read some more. [Perhaps best if no one asks :-)] Just reading back through my first email on this topic, I think I may see where you're coming from in your first comment. I was sort of thrown off by the inclusion of the quoted sentence, and so I thought your query was relating to that. In my first email when I mentioned the movement of a parcel of air towards/away from the axis of rotation based on angular momentum conservation, I assumed the tornado was already in full swing. I wasn't trying to say that the tornado builds from the ground up through conservation of angular momentum. I was merely formulating an explanation of how the hourglass shape of the wind field comes about through the conservation of angular momentum law. So apologies if this was a little unclear. I think I've bored/confused people enough. But once again, if anyone has their own thoughts/queries, just let fly! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 05:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Avo To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: The Maroubra Incident! or "The suck zone"....... X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 203.27.69.92 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Noting the history of waterspouts just off land around Bondi, would I be incorrect in assuming one of these beasts actually hit land Monday morning? Just checking the lightning data off Weatherzone and central NSW is alive people. Actually, I am getting quite a bit of static on my scanner whilst "trying" to get the BBC world service. Maybe longwire antenna on a kite would be better.. :-) Hmmmmmmm. Time to walk outside and see if my fur starts to rise (same thing happens when you happen to accidentally touch the still attached earthing cap of a not so discharged monitor tube...... OUCH!) As a matter of interest, I live 5 houses away from an extremely large tree (we are talking the mother of all trees in Willoughby) and for the 28 years I have been around, I can not remember it ever being struck by lightning. It is most definitely the tallest object around for at least 4 or 5 kays (then you got the towers for Channels 2,7,9,10... you name it... RF HELL!). In fact, if memory serves me right, my neighbours TV antenna got a direct hit once many moons ago (did some wonderfull stuff to it and the connected TV) but the tree got nuffin'. Interesting......... Avo Ohanian IT Support Macquarie University _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:38:38 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Maroubra Storm... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul, I'm not sure if their way of reporting it was a misguided interpretation of something that was noted in one of the warnings (not advices) issued by the BoM yeterday. In one of their updates they mentioned that most of the action (in a particular cell) had moved out to see, but coastal areas could still be affected by the 'western flank' of the storm. Just guessing... Andrew. "The Weather Co." wrote: > > I thought it was interesting that the Channel 9 news reported the Bureau > suggesting the storm could have been a lot worse and Maroubra only scored > the tail end of it. If true, it would suggest that they had additional > information, perhaps from the Kurnell Doppler radar... > Paul G. > ____________________ > The Weather Company > Level 2, 7 West Street > North Sydney 2060 > Phone: (02) 9955 7704 > Fax: (02) 9955 1536 > http://www.theweather.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimmy Deguara > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. > > > I agree Anthony, > > > > I certainly am interested in the photo > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm > > > > Seems to be reminiscent to > > > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg > > > > This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no > > doubts the others were funnel(s). > > > > Great stuff Matt. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >Fantastic report and photos! > > > > > >Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the > > >photos! > > > > > >AC > > > > > >Matt Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here > > > > yesterday. > > > > > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm > > > > > > > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel > > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was > > > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I > did > > > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the > coast). > > > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on > radar > > > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with > > > > dark colours. > > > > > > > > Matthew Smith > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >-- > > >Anthony Cornelius > > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > >(07) 3390 4812 > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:02:51 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Matt Smith's funnel report. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Thanks ! certainly didnt expect these kind words from people. Commended? Hah that will never happen... I dont think anyone really cares in the real world besides the group here... which is all that counts.. I enjoy it, the adventure, the uncertanty, not knowing what you will see or what might happen.. If you can get out there and take some chances, it can pay off. We did not get a storm here at home that day, drive 15km or so and its amazing what you can see :) With regards to the damage...it seemed very confined to a corragated iron roof on the surf club, which blew off and debri from that caused other damage to shop windows etc. I would rule out a tornado almost... the thing that gets me is that, that area would often cop 50knot+ winds with strong fronts etc, so why did the roof rip off this time? Maybe it just weakened over time... Should have sold a few seconds of the video footage to a TV station.... The sound of the flanger is awesome with the hail hitting the car. (no video of the funnel) Didnt think of it until later that night though :( You'll see these photos and video soon clyve :) Ok im babbliny now. Off to bed, i have an early start. Will keep an eye out tomorrow after todays activity along the trough line, I would deffinatly expect more action. Matt Smith clyve herbert wrote: > Hi Matt. > Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and Sydney > should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve > Herbert. ASWA Victoria. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:11:20 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, There is a bright side to all this, the more misinformed hysteria the better for us researchers! Public wants answers = more funding. Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media > > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys > > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging > > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have > > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid. > > Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format > that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report" > that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that > they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau > gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this > could work as damage control in these instances. > > Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I > play journalist again... > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Nothing Communications & Design > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Everybody is somebody else's freak > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 05:35:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, aussie-weather at theweather.com.au From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter (and possible others !) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon and All. >Carl > >Thanks for that. > >I think I'd gone to sleep regarding TC's this year southern hemisphere >generally, but Coral Sea and eastward especially. Yes, not much this side of Australia so far this season - 2000/2001 could end up being among the least active years for the Coral Sea. >My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE >of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit). Yep, that is how we spell the place we pronounce as Van-oo-ah-too :-) The Solomons has some potential in a few days by the look of the cold cloud tops in that area. The stuff around Cape York to the Top End could spawn something in a few days if it gets better organised, but every time something starts to look promising it looses organisation and bubbles up somewhere else. >Couple of good TC swirls farther out in Indian Ocean also. One of which is >already a TC according to JTWC. Perth BoM identified it as a significant TC with 55 knot 10 min sustained winds in a satellite bulletin to RA-1 countries issued at 1743Z 02/04/01 before any other agency took much notice of it - MFR Reunion still has it as a tropical disturbance with 30 knot winds - seems that the other agencies are very slow off the mark at the moment. TC Walter is finally being acknowledged as TC 17S by JTWC. I have uploaded a 3 day 6 hourly IR satellite animation showing the development of TC Walter and all the stuff around the Top End - W Coral Sea at http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/SatpicLoop.htm - this one has my latest colour enhancement experiment applied which shows structure better than any other one I have done so far. You will find links to all warnings etc on my website at: http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm > >Regards >Simon Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 05:42:22 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter (and possible others !) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon and All. >My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE >of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit). May be worth checking out FMS to keep an eye on this one. Just after I sent my reply off, this came in from JTWC: >ABPW10 PGTW 031900 >MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVPACMETOCCEN PEARL// >SUBJ/SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE WESTERN >PACIFIC OCEAN/031900Z/040600Z APR 01// >RMKS// >1. WESTERN NORTH PACIFIC AREA (180 TO MALAY PENINSULA): > A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. > B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE. >2. WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (180 WEST TO 135 EAST): > A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. > B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: > (1) AN AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED NEAR 12.0S3 171.0E9 HAS >PERSISTED FOR THE PAST 12 HOURS. UW-CIMSS ANALYSTS PRODUCT >INDICATES THE CONVECTION IS WITHIN A WEAK VERTICAL WIND SHEAR >ENVIRONMENT WITH DIFFLUENCE ALOFT. A RECENT QUIKSCAT PASS INDICATES >A BROAD LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONVECTION. >MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA >LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE 1006 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE >DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 >HOURS IS POOR. > (2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS. >3. JUSTIFICATION: ADDITION OF POOR SUSPECT AREA TO PARA 2.B. >FORECAST TEAM: MAZANY/MORRIS/EDBERG// Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Narromine Storms To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:28:03 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 04/04/2001 08:41:33 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 7.30pm 03/04 Reports coming in from severe lightning activity around Narromine and Tommingley areas.. Several outages reported.. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: freak.. Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:42:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:36 +1000 From: Mark Hardy Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media >The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological >perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is >perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most >likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to >have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms. > >In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from >many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the >public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting >worked up about it. > >Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in >Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back >together in Maroubra. > >The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the >people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau >should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as >well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly >meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between >the Bureau and the media/public. > >Mark Surely Mark this is all a matter of perspective. What is unusual at a point will be far from unusual across an area, and this is the point that is trying to be made. Storms like these are very frequent in NSW and to claim that they are somehow freak's can give the public the false impression that these are a meteorological rarity. People should be prepared for storms of this type, and to claim that they are somehow freakish allows a disowning of the responsibility for preparedness. If we follow your logic, we would call a category 4 cyclone passing over the city of Broome a freak cyclone, purely because such an event probably only occurs once in an average life time, when no one on this list would classify a category 4 cyclone as a freak. I believe the public is more intelligent than you give credit... BTW this is nothing personal. I just believe we have a collective responsibility to educate on such matters, rather than point fingers. Cheers, David. Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:31:39 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Matt Smith's funnel report. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Matt, and others, Channel Nine reported and showed a large wooden post (like, a 4x2 that was 10 ft long) that had been speard through a window. This is usually a pretty good sign that there was some sort of spin-up, maybe a brief invisible extension of one of the funnels around to the ground! Andrew. Matt Smith wrote: > > Hi > > Thanks ! certainly didnt expect these kind words from people. > > Commended? Hah that will never happen... I dont think anyone really cares in > the real world besides the group here... which is all that counts.. I enjoy > it, the adventure, the uncertanty, not knowing what you will see or what might > happen.. If you can get out there and take some chances, it can pay off. > We did not get a storm here at home that day, drive 15km or so and its amazing > what you can see :) > > With regards to the damage...it seemed very confined to a corragated iron roof > on the surf club, which blew off and debri from that caused other damage to > shop windows etc. I would rule out a tornado almost... the thing that gets me > is that, that area would often cop 50knot+ winds with strong fronts etc, so > why did the roof rip off this time? Maybe it just weakened over time... > Should have sold a few seconds of the video footage to a TV station.... The > sound of the flanger is awesome with the hail hitting the car. (no video of > the funnel) Didnt think of it until later that night though :( > You'll see these photos and video soon clyve :) > Ok im babbliny now. Off to bed, i have an early start. Will keep an eye out > tomorrow after todays activity along the trough line, I would deffinatly > expect more action. > > Matt Smith > > clyve herbert wrote: > > > Hi Matt. > > Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and Sydney > > should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve > > Herbert. ASWA Victoria. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Two potential sites! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:32:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. There are two potential locations for interesting tropical developments tonight,the Gulf of Carpentry has a persistent region of convergence worth a continued check on there is some outflow over this region too,also a large and persistent region of convection is located north of Fiji this region also shows potential for development over the next 24 hours.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:35:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert. In respect to the use of the word periphery,this is the outer edge of the main circulation and extending outwards to cover the inflow region (could we call it the "event region"),I strongly suspect some odd goings on within the central core of the main vortex,it is here that I believe gravity waves may be generated, i.e. there main be a return force generated from the affect of the inflow and compression around the main vortex if we look at the main vortex region which is roughly circular there is a force acting upon the periphery from the inflow occurring at all sides, this in some respects is a balancing feature and may have something to do with the size of the central core and may be relative to the extent of the inflow the force acting on all sides of the central core actually may result in a rebound force moving outwards from the main central vortex. regards Clyve Herbert,difficult to put this concept into words at this stage . ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots > > Hi Kevin/Clyve/all > > Now, I must admit as to not being well versed in historical tornado > occurrences in the US (or anywhere for that matter :-P), so I tried > looking these events up, with the aim of finding pictures of what you > tried to describe. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any obvious examples, > so apologies if I misinterpret your question. > > > When you say periphery do you mean internal or external to the main tornado? > > My immediate thought about this was that the internal and external suction > vortices are the same thing. The 'internal' vortices are such that they > are hidden because of the condensation in the region which blocks them > from view. Dare I say that in weaker events where the central pressure > isn't as low, then the warming and drying associated with the downdraft > may be more conducive to produce more visible suction vortices, and so > make them appear to be external. > > In my web searches I came across the following website: > http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/d5vbcs/outbreak65.html > which has some photos of the Palm Sunday 1965 event, and shows twin > tornadoes: > http://members.nbci.com/d5vbcs/palmsunday/goshen4.gif > > Now, I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to about the external > vortices, perhaps this may be too extreme an example. But in this case, > apparently this was the merger of two tornadoes. Perhaps things may(?) be > clearer once you read the answer to your second question. > > > (question 2 I guess) are clusters of rotating vortices > > considered one tornado or separate? > > I'm no expert here, but I'm guessing that you would probably judge a > tornado by its parent circulation. So if you see vortices orbiting around > a common centre, then you would define the centre as the tornado. > However, if these vortices are moving independent of each other, than they > would be classified as distinct tornadoes. > > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > i.e can an equation be established from the speed of the rotation above > > the friction boundary layer and then the retardation from this point to > > the surface of the earth,the resultant and at times severe suction > > spots/vortices may exhibit speeds briefly close to the non frictional > > speed of the main tornado?!!.It is well known from photographic analysis > > that these secondary vortices can produce much stronger gusts and damage > > than the mean frictionally retarded tornadatic circulation. > > All I can say here is that before any downdraft within the tornado takes > place, the vertical vorticity is distributed across the whole diameter of > the tornado. As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets > concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would > result in increased wind speeds. With instabilities forming on this > annulus to form the suction vortices, they would rotate at some speed > around the central tornado while this tornado is translating at some other > speed. Add all these velocity components together (speed due to > concentrated vert. vorticity + speed of rotation of instabilities + > tornado speed), and you would come up with some fairly big speeds. > > Obviously though, friction plays a big role and I'd imagine that most, if > not all F5 occurrences have been over flat countryside as opposed to > forested or very hilly/mountainous terrain. > > > One final thing, _I am by no means an expert here_, and all of what I've > mentioned so far has been from what I have read over the past week and > what I think. So feel free to criticise or add to anything that has been > said here. > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: "Aussie Weather Mail List" , "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: TC Advice NT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:42:44 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDDP0002 BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY Northern Territory Region Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre PRIORITY TROPICAL CYCLONE WATCH TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 1 Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN at 11:36 am CST Wednesday 4 April 2001 A CYCLONE WATCH has been declared for coastal and island communities from CROKER ISLAND to CAPE SHIELD. At 11 am CST a TROPICAL LOW was centred in the Arafura Sea about 140 kilometres north of NHULUNBUY and nearly stationary. The low is expected to move slowly westward during the next couple of days. There is the possibility of a cyclone developing but GALES are not expected in coastal areas within the next 24 hours, however gales could develop later. Details of TROPICAL LOW at 11 am CST: . Centre located near...... 11 degrees South 137 degrees East . Location accuracy........ within 45 kilometres . Recent movement.......... nearly stationary . Wind gusts near centre... 90 kilometres per hour . Central pressure......... 1004 hectoPascals People from CROKER ISLAND to CAPE SHIELD should listen for the next advice which will be issued at 5 pm CST. This advice is available on telephone 1300 659 211. DARWIN Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\winmail1.dat" X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:25:04 +1000 To: Aussie Weather List , aussie-weather at theweather.com.au From: Carl Smith Subject: aus-wx: Fw: Pan-tropical explosion Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. The email below came in so thought I would pass it on. Regards, Carl. > Hi Julian, > > Thanks for digging up all the interesting data on the latest TC quiet > spell that has now been broken by a sudden burst of activity. I wonder > what kind of thing can supress global TC activity for three weeks, and > then let it burst out all over? > > Now the whole SH from equatorial Africa across the SIO (See attached > image at 22 UTC 03 April), all the way past the date line into the central > SPAC has popped a few TCs or is set to do so. There are three TCs > in the SIO, a TC brewing NW of the GUlf of Carpentaria, and another west > of Fiji. Even a monsoon depression over the Congo and Angola could drift > west and become a rare S. Atlantic TD. One fascinating aspect of all of > this is that NONE of it maps onto the MJO mode (see MJO loop at > www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/clim/olr_modes/mapanim2.html.) > > > Best regards, Mark Lander > > > On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Heming, Julian wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > It has indeed been a quiet season and a quiet recent spell. Perth TCWC has > > just started issuing warnings for TS Walter (south of Java). This ends a > > 20-day spell without a TC world-wide. Looking back at records since 1990, > > there has only been one other 20-day period of no activity (in May 1995). > > Also, according to JTWC statistics, it will be the quietest southern > > hemisphere season since 1954 unless there are at least 6 more TCs >before the > > season ends. > > > > Regards, > > > > Julian > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:31:18 +1000 To: Aussie Weather List , aussie-weather at theweather.com.au From: Carl Smith Subject: aus-wx: TC Walter now Cat 3 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. TC Walter now severe Cat 3. BoM TCA#13 and JTWC#3 pasted below - if anyone has BoM TCA#12, please send it to me. Regards, Carl. >IDW24400 >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should be used with this warning. > >PRIORITY > >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 13 >Issued at 9:55 am WST on Wednesday, 4 April 2001 >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > >A WARNING for a severe category 3 tropical cyclone is now current for Cocos >Island. > >At 9am WST Severe Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be > 470 kilometres eastnortheast of Cocos Island and >moving west at 16 kilometres per hour. > >Gales are not expected at Cocos Island today, but are likely to develop on >Thursday as the cyclone takes a more southwesterly track and approaches the >Island. > >Details of Severe Tropical Cyclone Walter at 9am WST. > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > Latitude 10.1 South Longitude 100.6 East. > Recent movement : West at 16 kilometres per hour. > Central Pressure : 960 hPa. > Maximum wind gusts : 190 kilometres per hour near the centre. > Severity category : 3. > >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 >The next advice will be issued at 1pm WST. > >WTXS32 PGTW 040300 >IMMEDIATE DELIVERY REQ TO AMEMBASSY PORT LOUIS >1. TROPICAL CYCLONE 17S (WALTER) WARNING NR 003 > 03 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE > MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE > --- > WARNING POSITION: > 040000Z4 --- NEAR 10.1S2 100.6E7 > MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 270 DEGREES AT 10 KTS > POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM > POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE > PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION: > MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT > RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 030 NM > RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 080 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE > 065 NM ELSEWHERE > REPEAT POSIT: 10.1S2 100.6E7 > --- > FORECASTS: > 12 HRS, VALID AT: > 041200Z7 --- 10.4S5 98.5E2 > MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT > RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 045 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE > 035 NM ELSEWHERE > RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 095 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE > 070 NM ELSEWHERE > VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 250 DEG/ 10 KTS > --- > 24 HRS, VALID AT: > 050000Z5 --- 11.1S3 96.7E2 > MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT > RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE > 040 NM ELSEWHERE > RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 110 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE > 090 NM ELSEWHERE > VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 235 DEG/ 10 KTS > --- > 36 HRS, VALID AT: > 051200Z8 --- 12.3S6 95.0E4 > MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT > RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE > 055 NM ELSEWHERE > RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 130 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE > 110 NM ELSEWHERE > VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 210 DEG/ 10 KTS > --- > EXTENDED OUTLOOK: > 48 HRS, VALID AT: > 060000Z6 --- 14.1S6 93.9E1 > MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 095 KT, GUSTS 115 KT > RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 080 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE > 060 NM ELSEWHERE > RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 155 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE > 125 NM ELSEWHERE > --- >REMARKS: >040300Z7 POSITION NEAR 10.2S3 100.1E2. >TROPICAL CYCLONE 17S (WALTER) HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 10 KNOTS OVER >THE PAST 6 HOURS AND IS APPROXIMATELY 250 NM EAST-NORTHEAST OF >COCOS ISALND. THE WARNING POSITION IS BASED ON 032330Z1 INFRARED >SATELLITE IMAGERY. THE WARNING INTENSITY IS BASED ON SATELLITE >CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF 55 AND 77 KNOTS. ANIMATED INFRARED >SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATE BANDING FEATURES AROUND THE LOW-LEVEL >CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A 032049Z8 MICROWAVE PASS DEPICTS AN 11 >NM EYE. THE 200 MB ANALYSIS INDICATES GOOD OUTFLOW ALOFT AND AN >UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE EXTENDING OVER THE LLCC. TROPICAL CYCLONE (TC) 17S >IS EXPECTED TO TRACK IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION THROUGH THE 24 HOUR >PERIOD THEN TRACK INCREASINGLY SOUTHWESTWARD TOWARD A WEAKNESS IN >THE MID-LEVEL RIDGE BY THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD. TC 17S WILL >CONTINUE INTENSIFYING AT A CLIMATOLOGICAL RATE THROUGH THE FORECAST >PERIOD. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 040000Z4 IS 16 FEET. NEXT >WARNINGS AT 041500Z0 AND 050300Z8. REFER TO TROPICAL CYCLONE 16S >(NONAME) WARNINGS (WTXS32 PGTW) FOR TWELVE-HOURLY UPDATES. REFER TO >TROPICAL CYCLONE 18S (NONAME) WARNINGS (WTXS33 PGTW) FOR TWELVE- >HOURLY UPDATES.// +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Lightning strike points (was The Maroubra Incident!...) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:23:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Avo, Lightning seems to seek out the best path to ground, not necessarilly the highest point unless that corresponds to the best path. While motoring along the Newcastle expressway late one afternoon, I saw a close lightning bolt hit an iron fence post in the bottom of a little gully, and at the time I wondered why it picked the gully as the strike point was much lower than trees on the ridges either side. The answer is that the fence post in the gully presented a better path to ground possibly due to moist earth in the gully (and didn't it glow red nicely for a short period after the strike). Similarly, I have a deep gully immediately behind my house and I have had a Brush box in this gully shattered by lightning while much taller Spotted gums on the ridge around the house were untouched. The shatter point was only 3m above ground, indicating that this is probably where the bolt entered the tree. John. >snip ... As a matter of interest, I live 5 houses away from an extremely large tree (we are talking the mother of all trees in Willoughby) and for the 28 years I have been around, I can not remember it ever being struck by lightning. It is most definitely the tallest object around for at least 4 or 5 kays (then you got the towers for Channels 2,7,9,10... you name it... RF HELL!). In fact, if memory serves me right, my neighbours TV antenna got a direct hit once many moons ago (did some wonderfull stuff to it and the connected TV) but the tree got nuffin'. Interesting......... Avo Ohanian +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Avo To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Lightning strike points (was The Maroubra Incident!...) X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 137.111.13.32 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Lightning seems to seek out the best path to ground, not > necessarilly the > highest point unless that corresponds to the best path. > While motoring Hmmmmm that is a good point. On hindsight it is highly probable that the resistance of the tree (a heap of a bark - no matter how wet - can not be too good for electrical conductivity) is quite large. Perhaps a taller, thicker rooted tree has LESS probability of being struck than a smaller thinner one. Thanks John, you got me thinking :-) Avo Ohanian IT Support Macquarie University _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Pan-tropical flare up Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:44:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Carl and others
 
It is quite unusual to see such an elongated flare up - a bit discontinuous, but impressive none the less.
 
I note Seychelles Met has not named its two low pressure areas yet (but their site tends to be a bit slow and in French). Interestingly they plot the two tropical depressions as moving toward one another.If this continues to be the case, I would expect the westerly system to develop and the easterly system to tend toward a merge). PS - love all those new French TC names - so bring them on.
 
Also the Fiji Met office is keeping development potential of that low now north of Vanuatu as low, which surprises me as all looks good to me. Could this be a TC by tomorrow - I think yes - maybe?
 
Of more particular interest is that pesky little disturbance that popped up around the Gulf/tip of QLD. Advisories have begun on this one. And !!! Walter continuing to strengthen and moving close to Xmas Island.
 
Interesting day ahead tomorrow I think for us TC fans.
 
 
Regards
Simon
 
From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Upper air experts, commentary for Coral Sea required Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:49:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Calling on all upper air experts out there.
 
What chances of a favourable track for that disturbance north of Vanuatu toward Qld over the next three to five days ? I know it is very early days yet.
 
Looks pretty poor at present from the Sat Pics and even the surface chart tends to suggest a recurvature toward NZ, but I am an absolute beginner in this 'upper' area of meteorology at present.
 
So your help is required.
 
 
Thanks
Simon
From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hey everyone!
 
During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum.
 
So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
 
So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
 
This should be interesting.
 
dann
__________________________
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Blaxland, NSW
weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
www.sydneystormchasers.com
X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p61-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.125] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:05:30 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dorrigo region.... NSW smashing hail, heavy rain hot spot and within access to the Northern Tablelands and snow and of course a nice rain forest area. So there goes Jimmy Deguara At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hey everyone! > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the >aussie weather forum. > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of >Australia ? > >This should be interesting. > >dann >__________________________ >Daniel Weatherhead >Blaxland, NSW >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS >www.sydneystormchasers.com ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Adam Troy Cole" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:32:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Well, I would have to say the southern darling downs, smashing views, nice ranges (formation) and plains (CHASE), good TS, road network is good,  well, what can i say, i might be biased, but I reckon Warwick is a great place to live. Central to everything but Tropical Cyclones, and also, snow is relatively close, within 100 km's
 
Here's my vote
 
Adam Cole
X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:16:20 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short distance inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold. It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us on this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for some it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just comfortable. For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore - Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km ENE from the centre of Lismore. Reasons: - extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year - accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations - conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like Darwin build up, and only some very cold days - plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good percentage of supercells - a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm chasing - large hail likely each season - violent winds likely each season - shelf clouds very common - hail drifts possible each season - tornadoes possible each season - flash floods possible each season - plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning - coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents - does get cold fronts - prone to trough activity including from tropical origins - beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year - prone to East Coast Lows - prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs ! - blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of mod-heavy shower activity - blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and fine days - Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W gales Some disadvantages: - lacks vigorous cold frontal activity - can get a bit hot and sticky - never snows - rarely gets extremes of heat or cold - showery weather can hang around for weeks - fine weather can hang around for weeks - nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is the best ! regards, Michael At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hey everyone! > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the >aussie weather forum. > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of >Australia ? > >This should be interesting. > >dann >__________________________ >Daniel Weatherhead >Blaxland, NSW >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS >www.sydneystormchasers.com ============================================================= Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ NE NSW Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ============================================================= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: Pan-tropical explosion Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:29:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Carl, we appreciate you passing it on. The depression over the Congo/Angola certainly has my interest. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Smith" To: "Aussie Weather List" ; Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 14:25 Subject: aus-wx: Fw: Pan-tropical explosion > Hi All. > > The email below came in so thought I would pass it on. > > Regards, > Carl. > > > Hi Julian, > > > > Thanks for digging up all the interesting data on the latest TC quiet > > spell that has now been broken by a sudden burst of activity. I wonder > > what kind of thing can supress global TC activity for three weeks, and > > then let it burst out all over? > > > > Now the whole SH from equatorial Africa across the SIO (See attached > > image at 22 UTC 03 April), all the way past the date line into the central > > SPAC has popped a few TCs or is set to do so. There are three TCs > > in the SIO, a TC brewing NW of the GUlf of Carpentaria, and another west > > of Fiji. Even a monsoon depression over the Congo and Angola could drift > > west and become a rare S. Atlantic TD. One fascinating aspect of all of > > this is that NONE of it maps onto the MJO mode (see MJO loop at > > www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/clim/olr_modes/mapanim2.html.) > > > > > > Best regards, Mark Lander > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Heming, Julian wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > It has indeed been a quiet season and a quiet recent spell. Perth TCWC has > > > just started issuing warnings for TS Walter (south of Java). This ends a > > > 20-day spell without a TC world-wide. Looking back at records since 1990, > > > there has only been one other 20-day period of no activity (in May 1995). > > > Also, according to JTWC statistics, it will be the quietest southern > > > hemisphere season since 1954 unless there are at least 6 more TCs > >before the > > > season ends. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Julian > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:44:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
My vote is close to Jimmy also. I would actually choose Glen Innes. I would lose about 2/3 of Dorrigo's rainfall but probably pick up a higher rate of severe storms ( I think that the Dorrigo area often goes off too early  ). There is also the chance of winter snow, not to mention frosts by the dozen. Glen Innes is a safe looking town, large enough to have amenities, but still small enough to be friendly. From Glen Innes you could strike out west to Inverell quickly, to the Darling downs in 2 hours or to Grafton in 2 hours. An alternative would be Stanthorpe in Queensland.
 
If higher rainfall and a warmer climate were your priorities my second vote would to Maleny just west of the sunshine coast and Nambour, on a plateau overlooking the Glasshouse Mountains. High rainfall measured in metres, and within 1 hour chasing distance of some of Australia's tornado hotspots such as Gympie.
 
Michael
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 18:10
Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live

Hey everyone!
 
During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum.
 
So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
 
So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
 
This should be interesting.
 
dann
__________________________
Daniel Weatherhead
Blaxland, NSW
weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
www.sydneystormchasers.com
From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:57:09 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id GAA18082 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the reasons I chose to live here. 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete with bushfires 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every southeasterly change 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in the direction of Sydney 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're on a ridge top) 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including recurving ex-TCs 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or BLEAKHEATH. No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it. That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the weather, wait five minutes." Laurier (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination) On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead" wrote: >Hey everyone! > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum. > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ? > >This should be interesting. > >dann >__________________________ >Daniel Weatherhead >Blaxland, NSW >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS >www.sydneystormchasers.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Joy Farnan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:10:35 +1000 Organization: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all,
I think the perfect place to live would be "GOSFORD"
Stayed there for a week lots of years ago and decided that this would be a nice place to retire to (eventually)
Nice weather (like warm) beach for swimming, sailing, inland walks, the lot....
 
Joy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live

Well, I would have to say the southern darling downs, smashing views, nice ranges (formation) and plains (CHASE), good TS, road network is good,  well, what can i say, i might be biased, but I reckon Warwick is a great place to live. Central to everything but Tropical Cyclones, and also, snow is relatively close, within 100 km's
 
Here's my vote
 
Adam Cole
From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:20:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow area is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action. dann > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the > reasons I chose to live here. > > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days > > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete > with bushfires > > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees > > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every > southeasterly change > > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in > the direction of Sydney > > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're > on a ridge top) > > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including > recurving ex-TCs > > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or > BLEAKHEATH. > > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it. > > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the > weather, wait five minutes." > > Laurier > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination) > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead" > wrote: > > >Hey everyone! > > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum. > > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ? > > > >This should be interesting. > > > >dann > >__________________________ > >Daniel Weatherhead > >Blaxland, NSW > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > >www.sydneystormchasers.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 03 Apr 01 23:29:52 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Aurora Australis Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello steve! 03 Apr 01 19:49, you wrote to All: sb> here. Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it sb> made the viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much sb> weather to watch of late. Any observations from Australia? Stuck my head outside a couple of times but missed it. Light pollution here in Melbourne doesn't help either. :-( Unlike the 1989 aurora, which I saw from a clear location in country Victoria Tony, VK3JED .. ws the hell out of me! -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:30:39 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All of this is obviously true for Taralga as well! But, Taralga is closer to the top of the Great Dividing Range (about 10-15 kMs west of here), so it's easy to find completely different weather just over the hill - whether it be more snow or clear skied easterlies rather than "Bannaby Mist" easterlies. There are a mint of stories around here from weather events of the past. Blizzards, tornadoes, snow in December, squalls, gales, rain...surely more of one or the other will come soon! All good! Andrew. Laurier Williams wrote: > > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the > reasons I chose to live here. > > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days > > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete > with bushfires > > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees > > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every > southeasterly change > > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in > the direction of Sydney > > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're > on a ridge top) > > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including > recurving ex-TCs > > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or > BLEAKHEATH. > > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it. > > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the > weather, wait five minutes." > > Laurier > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination) > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead" > wrote: > > >Hey everyone! > > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum. > > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ? > > > >This should be interesting. > > > >dann > >__________________________ > >Daniel Weatherhead > >Blaxland, NSW > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > >www.sydneystormchasers.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p82-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.82] claimed to be jdeguara.ihug.com.au X-Sender: gthurtel at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Geoff Thurtell Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the messages that we see on this list, most areas get interesting weather at some time during the year. For me personally, as I get older I would like to move further north from western Sydney as I seem to be getting less tolerant of the freezing winter mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of Maleny would suit me, probably when I get closer to retiring. One town that has not been mentioned yet is Tenterfield in northern NSW. By my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too cold and crisp, although it would be nice to visit when it is snowing. I just felt when we visited there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be a nice safe town but also a good location to start chasing in any direction around northern NSW and SE Queensland during summer. Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old age...summer in Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast... Geoff Thurtell At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote: >Hey everyone! > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the >aussie weather forum. > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of >Australia ? > >This should be interesting. > >dann >__________________________ >Daniel Weatherhead >Blaxland, NSW >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS >www.sydneystormchasers.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p82-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.82] claimed to be jdeguara.ihug.com.au X-Sender: gthurtel at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:52:33 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Geoff Thurtell Subject: Fwd: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry, meant TDU2000 below! Geoff >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:18 +1000 >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >From: Geoff Thurtell >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > >I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the messages that we see on >this list, most areas get interesting weather at some time during the year. > >For me personally, as I get older I would like to move further north from >western Sydney as I seem to be getting less tolerant of the freezing >winter mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of Maleny would suit me, >probably when I get closer to retiring. > >One town that has not been mentioned yet is Tenterfield in northern NSW. >By my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too cold and crisp, >although it would be nice to visit when it is snowing. I just felt when we >visited there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be a nice safe town but >also a good location to start chasing in any direction around northern NSW >and SE Queensland during summer. > >Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old age...summer in >Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast... > >Geoff Thurtell >At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote: >>Hey everyone! >> >>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the >>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex >>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in >>the aussie weather forum. >> >>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. >>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical >>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). >> >>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally >>the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of >>Australia ? >> >>This should be interesting. >> >>dann >>__________________________ >>Daniel Weatherhead >>Blaxland, NSW >>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au >>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS >>www.sydneystormchasers.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:55:46 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This is really hard.... Id have to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot up further into NE NSW. Lots of severe storms and rain events, with floods as well, and a nice drive towards Dorrigo and the northern tablelands for snow events. Lots and lots of close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen innes, SE QLD.. could go on and on. Matt Smith dann weatherhead wrote: > Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow area > is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action. > > dann > > > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the > > reasons I chose to live here. > > > > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the > > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days > > > > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete > > with bushfires > > > > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send > > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees > > > > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every > > southeasterly change > > > > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in > > the direction of Sydney > > > > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the > > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're > > on a ridge top) > > > > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including > > recurving ex-TCs > > > > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist > > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or > > BLEAKHEATH. > > > > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it. > > > > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four > > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark > > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the > > weather, wait five minutes." > > > > Laurier > > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination) > > > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead" > > wrote: > > > > >Hey everyone! > > > > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, > so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie > weather forum. > > > > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > > > > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of > Australia ? > > > > > >This should be interesting. > > > > > >dann > > >__________________________ > > >Daniel Weatherhead > > >Blaxland, NSW > > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > > >www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:29:30 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, This really is a difficult question...there are so many great areas. However, I am going to ignore political boundaries here, because I believe that SE QLD and NE NSW have very similar weather and geography, and are really the same weather wise. It's only split by a political state border, weather wise it doesn't change over the area. So for thunderstorms, I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW. These are great chasing areas (as far as roads/views go), and no doubt have the storms to match. Even on marginal days, the ranges often assist in providing the extra lift needed to produce even just a Cb or three to look at. Not to mention coastal shower/Cb events which always make it interesting in the SE'ly. And even the winter SW'lies can be fun when they rip through at gale force! But to throw a spanner into the works...I do admit that I have a fascination with Melbourne weather (yes, I need help...) The weather in Melbourne/Vic is extremely dynamic - something that I find exciting! And I think that'd it'd certainly be interesting living down there to experience the plethora of different weather setups! "Stratocumulus - not just a cloud, but a way of life!" :-) AC > dann weatherhead wrote: > > Hey everyone! > > During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex > question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in > the aussie weather forum. > > So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see > Magnolia?). > > So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town > of Australia ? > > This should be interesting. > > dann > __________________________ > Daniel Weatherhead > Blaxland, NSW > weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > www.sydneystormchasers.com -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Max King" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:36:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dunno................. Personally I like Darwin :) Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > This is really hard.... > > Id have to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot up further > into NE NSW. > Lots of severe storms and rain events, with floods as well, and a nice drive > towards Dorrigo and the northern tablelands for snow events. > > Lots and lots of close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen innes, SE > QLD.. could go on and on. > > Matt Smith > > dann weatherhead wrote: > > > Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow area > > is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action. > > > > dann > > > > > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the > > > reasons I chose to live here. > > > > > > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the > > > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days > > > > > > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete > > > with bushfires > > > > > > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send > > > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees > > > > > > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every > > > southeasterly change > > > > > > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in > > > the direction of Sydney > > > > > > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the > > > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're > > > on a ridge top) > > > > > > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including > > > recurving ex-TCs > > > > > > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist > > > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or > > > BLEAKHEATH. > > > > > > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it. > > > > > > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four > > > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark > > > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the > > > weather, wait five minutes." > > > > > > Laurier > > > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination) > > > > > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead" > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Hey everyone! > > > > > > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the > > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, > > so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie > > weather forum. > > > > > > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. > > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical > > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > > > > > > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally > > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of > > Australia ? > > > > > > > >This should be interesting. > > > > > > > >dann > > > >__________________________ > > > >Daniel Weatherhead > > > >Blaxland, NSW > > > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > > > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > > > >www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:43:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
It's interesting that no one is yet to mention Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia or Northern Territory.
 
I think it really depends on what your personal definition is.  If we go by the definition below with storms, cold fronts, etc, etc below then I guess certain parts of Victoria are just as good in terms of "the lot" as anywhere in any state.  One place that spring to mind is Wonthaggi which is located about 100km SE of Melbourne.  The number of notable weather events in that area in the last 5 years (let alone the last 50) surprises me.  6 waterspouts, a severe microburst, exteme sustained winds from strong low pressure systems and cold fronts, hot in summer, cold in winter, severe storms (inc. one which dumped golf ball hail on the town), snow...well not in Wonthaggi itself but in the ranges within 30 mins drive yes.  Only a few bad points - chasing isn't great in the area and the warm season doesn't last overly long.
 
Personally, I would love to live in many many places around Australia and my love for the weather would ensure that I'd be happy with anywhere I lived.  Whether it be Thargomindah in Western QLD, Singleton in the Lower Hunter, Grafton in NE NSW, Albany in SW WA, Woomera in SA, Hobart in TAS or Castlemaine in VIC, wherever my life takes me my love for the weather will follow.  I'd be happy with frosts in Murtoa, hail in Lismore, lightning at Adelaide River, snow at Falls Creek or sunsets in Shark Bay.  The perfect place to live for weather for me is anywhere. 
 
Thankyou,
 
Macca
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:10 PM
Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live

Hey everyone!
 
During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum.
 
So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
 
So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
 
This should be interesting.
 
dann
__________________________
Daniel Weatherhead
Blaxland, NSW
weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
www.sydneystormchasers.com
From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: freak.. Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:01:06 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id JAA27194 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I support Mark on this one. So does the Macquarie Dictionary. It lists 9 definitions, of which several have some relevance: 2. any abnormal product or curiously unusual object; monstrosity 6. unusual; odd; irregular 7. a person who does not conform to orthodox, conservative forms of behaviour, as by being a homosexual, by taking illicit drugs, by wearing unconventional dress, etc. A person wearing unconventional dress in your loungeroom may be unusual or freakish, even though millions wear unconventional dress around the world every day. A severe storm in Maroubra (or a category 4 cyclone in Broome ) is a freak, even though several occur every week around the country. To say that this storm was a freak event in Maroubra is a perfectly correct use of plain english. Or are we rewriting the dictionary? Or are we just worried about the media sensationalising the event...hold on a minute... sensation n. 7a. a state of excited feeling or interest caused among a number of persons or throughout a community by some occurrence, etc. I think we've got a bee in our bonnet: a. an obsession b. a slightly crazy idea, attitude, fad, etc. Laurier On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:42:31 +1000 , David Jones wrote: >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:36 +1000 >From: Mark Hardy >Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media > >>The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological >>perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is >>perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most >>likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to >>have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms. >> >>In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from >>many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the >>public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting >>worked up about it. >> >>Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in >>Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back >>together in Maroubra. >> >>The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the >>people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau >>should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as >>well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly >>meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf >between >>the Bureau and the media/public. >> >>Mark > >Surely Mark this is all a matter of perspective. What is unusual at a point >will be far from unusual across an area, and this is the point that is >trying to be made. Storms like these are very frequent in NSW and to claim >that they are somehow freak's can give the public the false impression that >these are a meteorological rarity. People should be prepared for storms of >this type, and to claim that they are somehow freakish allows a disowning of >the responsibility for preparedness. If we follow your logic, we would call >a category 4 cyclone passing over the city of Broome a freak cyclone, purely >because such an event probably only occurs once in an average life time, >when no one on this list would classify a category 4 cyclone as a freak. > >I believe the public is more intelligent than you give credit... > >BTW this is nothing personal. I just believe we have a collective >responsibility to educate on such matters, rather than point fingers. > >Cheers, > >David. > > >Dr David Jones > >Climate Analysis Section >National Climate Centre >Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 >GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 >Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 >email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.35.254.2] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:40:15 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 13:40:16.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[C833F780:01C0BD0C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com As Geoff said, depends on your inclination; for me my love for snow (at least a metre of it) and storms (severe thunderstorms not the regular though boring tropical variety) would mean I'd pretty much be a vagrant over the course of a year. Winter: Melbourne for an easy weekends skiing, decent sea -level cold-air action, and the vibe of the city itself. Spring/Summer: For juicy storms, hover around the area defined by Singleton - Armidale - Dorrigo - Newcastle (beautiful temperate + subtropical rainforest, kayaking etc). Autumn: Upper Blue Mountains, NSW - just love the way the cool seasons kicks in up there. For a fixed address though, I can't go past Sydney despite it going megalopolis. Without doubt some of the most violent and photogenic thunderstorms in the country are on offer during the spring-summer period. Fishing is pretty good too! Also, to experience a 'real' autumn / winter, the nearby Blue Mountains are hard to beat. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.35.254.2] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: freak.. Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:18:37 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 14:18:37.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[2418A5F0:01C0BD12] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >sensation n. 7a. a state of excited feeling or interest caused among a >number of persons or throughout a community by some occurrence, etc. > >I think we've got a bee in our bonnet: >a. an obsession >b. a slightly crazy idea, attitude, fad, etc. > >Laurier You are writing in non sequiturs Laurier ;-) actually, as usual, you do make perfect sense. Severe thundestorms in particular are, as we all know, very localised events even though they occur not infequently over the metropolitan area as a whole. Every year storms blow the roof of a few houses, break some glass etc somewhere in Sydney. Every several years they do quite a bit more. However, they usually don't do it to the same house very often and I'm sure if you asked the rooFLess people (not talking about the media) or the people watching the news who only 20kms away got nothing but a few rumbles, they would certainly consider it a 'very unusual' event. The weather events that make news headlines are generally of the freaky variety. As an outsider, the Chikasha-Bridge Creek-Moore OKC F5 tornado of May 1999, was surely a freak event to the residents, even in that part of the world. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy \(home\)" To: "Weather Junkies" Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:24:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Maui. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: simon at fearby.com To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:45:46 +1000 Organization: Fearby.com Software X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW. I Agree (I am new to this list, Hello All). I live in Tamworth NSW, I work for TAFE and sometimes travel up to Boggabilla via Gunnedah, Narrabri, Moree etc. The roads are great for following storms. North of Gunnedah to the Boggabilla is 100% flat and you can see storms as far away as 700 klms. The storm activity and visibility is great here, we can see storms brewing over the Liverpool ranges to the south down as far as Scone and west to Bourke and Down to Qld. Northpower have a great Storm Tracker page (http://www.northpower.com.au/wrs/nthpower.nsf/html/tracker.html) that allows me to monitor storms 24 hrs a day. We get storms popup over the great dividing range that mix with our hot country air and they usually brew into big storms. I will try and get snapshots of good old country storms and post them when I can. As usual I will keep my eyes skyward and try not to loose my custard. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > Hi all, > > This really is a difficult question...there are so many great areas. > However, I am going to ignore political boundaries here, because I > believe that SE QLD and NE NSW have very similar weather and geography, > and are really the same weather wise. It's only split by a political > state border, weather wise it doesn't change over the area. So for > thunderstorms, I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW. > These are great chasing areas (as far as roads/views go), and no doubt > have the storms to match. Even on marginal days, the ranges often > assist in providing the extra lift needed to produce even just a Cb or > three to look at. Not to mention coastal shower/Cb events which always > make it interesting in the SE'ly. And even the winter SW'lies can be > fun when they rip through at gale force! > > But to throw a spanner into the works...I do admit that I have a > fascination with Melbourne weather (yes, I need help...) The weather in > Melbourne/Vic is extremely dynamic - something that I find exciting! > And I think that'd it'd certainly be interesting living down there to > experience the plethora of different weather setups! > > "Stratocumulus - not just a cloud, but a way of life!" :-) > > AC > > > dann weatherhead wrote: > > > > Hey everyone! > > > > During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the > > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex > > question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in > > the aussie weather forum. > > > > So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. > > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical > > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see > > Magnolia?). > > > > So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally > > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town > > of Australia ? > > > > This should be interesting. > > > > dann > > __________________________ > > Daniel Weatherhead > > Blaxland, NSW > > weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > > SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > > www.sydneystormchasers.com > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:55:19 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I have to say that in the form of 'weather', I can't go past where I'm living now. Skiing in some of the best snow on Earth (Colorado) and major storms in the spring, all no more than 2 hours from here. I went on my first storm chase yesterday on the plains - nothing really amazing, a cold stratus deck got sucked into our cell - actually we were standing in the inflow with 30-40mph sustained winds and we turned around and over 5 minutes watched/felt the cold humid air get sucked in and, 10 minutes later, no storm. Admittedly, we knew this was highly likely but after a 4 month winter, and I mean a winter no Australian can comprehend unless they have been in that type of environment, a 5% chance was good enough. Hail was reported in Cheyenne, Wyo.
 
Plus of the day - I have now been to 5 states of the US and seen two nuclear launch sites - defiantly cool!
 
Where would I live? Melbourne - how great is our town!
 
Cheers, Lyle
----- Original Message -----
From: McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live

It's interesting that no one is yet to mention Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia or Northern Territory.
 
I think it really depends on what your personal definition is.  If we go by the definition below with storms, cold fronts, etc, etc below then I guess certain parts of Victoria are just as good in terms of "the lot" as anywhere in any state.  One place that spring to mind is Wonthaggi which is located about 100km SE of Melbourne.  The number of notable weather events in that area in the last 5 years (let alone the last 50) surprises me.  6 waterspouts, a severe microburst, exteme sustained winds from strong low pressure systems and cold fronts, hot in summer, cold in winter, severe storms (inc. one which dumped golf ball hail on the town), snow...well not in Wonthaggi itself but in the ranges within 30 mins drive yes.  Only a few bad points - chasing isn't great in the area and the warm season doesn't last overly long.
 
Personally, I would love to live in many many places around Australia and my love for the weather would ensure that I'd be happy with anywhere I lived.  Whether it be Thargomindah in Western QLD, Singleton in the Lower Hunter, Grafton in NE NSW, Albany in SW WA, Woomera in SA, Hobart in TAS or Castlemaine in VIC, wherever my life takes me my love for the weather will follow.  I'd be happy with frosts in Murtoa, hail in Lismore, lightning at Adelaide River, snow at Falls Creek or sunsets in Shark Bay.  The perfect place to live for weather for me is anywhere. 
 
Thankyou,
 
Macca
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:10 PM
Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live

Hey everyone!
 
During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum.
 
So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
 
So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
 
This should be interesting.
 
dann
__________________________
Daniel Weatherhead
Blaxland, NSW
weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
www.sydneystormchasers.com
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Paul Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Hunter Valley because its close enough to Sydney (I love the vibe of the city). Close to the blue mts (lovely place), not far to go north from there to chase in nth nsw, and of course the hunter itself gets some great storms too! Did I mention the wineries? :) --- Geoff Thurtell wrote: > Sorry, meant TDU2000 below! > Geoff > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:18 +1000 > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >From: Geoff Thurtell > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > > >I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the > messages that we see on > >this list, most areas get interesting weather at > some time during the year. > > > >For me personally, as I get older I would like to > move further north from > >western Sydney as I seem to be getting less > tolerant of the freezing > >winter mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of > Maleny would suit me, > >probably when I get closer to retiring. > > > >One town that has not been mentioned yet is > Tenterfield in northern NSW. > >By my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too > cold and crisp, > >although it would be nice to visit when it is > snowing. I just felt when we > >visited there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be > a nice safe town but > >also a good location to start chasing in any > direction around northern NSW > >and SE Queensland during summer. > > > >Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old > age...summer in > >Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast... > > > >Geoff Thurtell > >At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote: > >>Hey everyone! > >> > >>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised > by Nick Sykes on the > >>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This > a very complex > >>question, so i thought, what better place to ask > that question than in > >>the aussie weather forum. > >> > >>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking > year round weather. > >>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, > sleet, tropical > >>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog > (anyone see Magnolia?). > >> > >>So plead your case, and after the talking has died > down, we will tally > >>the votes and we will find out what you think is > the best weather town of > >>Australia ? > >> > >>This should be interesting. > >> > >>dann > >>__________________________ > >>Daniel Weatherhead > >>Blaxland, NSW > >>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > >>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > >>www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Weather: Waxing lyrical Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:40:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day all, Had to put one of my Zen readings up for a gander, even Buddha likes storm chasing. :) "The sentimental lover of nature only sees one side of her face; when it is wet he goes indoors and speaks of the delightful hissing of rain on the leaves. He does not let it trickle down his neck." Alan Watts. Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:54:11 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Having been in most of Oz at one time or another, I shall add a hearty "Amen!" to the bit I haven't snipped below. Wherever I have lived - and it's been a lot of places now - I have loved the weather. I have lived in Hong Kong more than twelve years now and been through dozens of typhoons. In 1999 we had four direct hits and I experienced eye passage twice! Been almost dead since then though. The disadvantages, though, are the incredible cost of living in this place and the extreme busyness that often keeps you at meetings somewhere when you would love to be out monitoring that storm... For storm chasing there are few roads and only a very small territory to cover without crossing international borders or running into the sea. I can drive to the extreme end of this country in any direction in half an hour. And the entire country has a blanket 50 km/h speed limit except on the few freeways. But we are blessed with huge numbers of storms which come and visit us, even if we can't chase them very far. Typhoons, tornados, waterspouts, thunderstorms, rainstorms, hailstorms, gale-force monsoons, we get 'em all right here. No snow though! Anyone coming over? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 > > >I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the > > messages that we see on > > >this list, most areas get interesting weather at > > some time during the year. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:24:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Laurier and all, Yes, I certainly second that nomination or is it third it, after Daniel? I couldn't have put it any better myself, Laurier. Actually, its really funny as yesterday (the day of these posts) marks the 27th anniversary of the day I vowed I would come back to live here. Whilst jogging along the Govetts Leap track (When the lookout was still opened) in 1974, I inscribed my initials and the date on a tree. The initials have faded but the tree is still there and I can't believe I am now living here. It was something I had planned to do around 2030 but got in a few years earlier than expected after we "Bit the bullet" and moved to Blackheath in 1997. At the time, we had no jobs to rely on, just some handy pay out money. We viewed it as a holiday and planned to return to Sydney if we couldn't find work here. Now, we have jobs, own our home, and...we have Blackheath. By crikey, we are lucky. Lindsay Pearce PS: I know it wasn't a good idea to 'rough up' the tree, I was only eight at the time. Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurier Williams" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Big snip... > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the > reasons I chose to live here. > > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the > weather, wait five minutes." > > Laurier > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination) > > >__________________________ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:07:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
One word for all those on TDU99............Thargomindah <G>
 
PaulY
----- Original Message -----
From: Max King
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live

Dunno.................

Personally I like Darwin :)

Max


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Smith" <tornado at bigpond.net.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live


>
> This is really hard....
>
> Id have to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot up
further
> into NE NSW.
> Lots of severe storms and rain events, with floods as well, and a nice
drive
> towards Dorrigo and the northern tablelands for snow events.
>
> Lots and lots of close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen
innes, SE
> QLD.. could go on and on.
>
> Matt Smith
>
> dann weatherhead wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow
area
> > is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action.
> >
> > dann
> >
> > > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW!  It's one of the
> > > reasons I chose to live here.
> > >
> > > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> > > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
> > >
> > > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> > > with bushfires
> > >
> > > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> > > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
> > >
> > > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> > > southeasterly change
> > >
> > > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> > > the direction of Sydney
> > >
> > > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> > > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> > > on a ridge top)
> > >
> > > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> > > recurving ex-TCs
> > >
> > > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> > > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> > > BLEAKHEATH.
> > >
> > > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
> > >
> > > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> > > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> > > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> > > weather, wait five minutes."
> > >
> > > Laurier
> > > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
> > >
> > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> > > <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hey everyone!
> > > >
> > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on
the
> > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
question,
> > so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie
> > weather forum.
> > > >
> > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> > > >
> > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will
tally
> > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town
of
> > Australia ?
> > > >
> > > >This should be interesting.
> > > >
> > > >dann
> > > >__________________________
> > > >Daniel Weatherhead
> > > >Blaxland, NSW
> > > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > > >www.sydneystormchasers.com
> > >
> > >
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From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: Perfect Place? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:16:30 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Darwin of course! Gale force monsoons, gulf lines, squall lines, multi-cells, lightning capital of australia if not the world,  TC's, earthquakes, more rainfall in 6 months then most of you southerners get in 12 months, laid back lifestyle, WARM all year round, and tax benefits for living here!
Not to mention the amazing scenery - waterfalls to swim in, fishing, camping, etc etc.
 
 
From: "Geelong Weather Services" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Perfect Weather Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:28:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If perfection means variety, how could you go past south central Victoria; Geelong-Bellarine Peninsula-Surf Coast? We've got it all (almost!) - floods, droughts, heat waves, bushfires, strong winds, hail, flash floods, lightning strikes (2 deaths and 8 injuries in the last 3 years), rough seas, 3 tornadoes or funnels in the last 12 months, average 3 severe storms every summer, with the occasional snow (every 20 years), dust storms, red rain, fogs, frosts, and yes, even falling frogs and fish! Lindsay Smail. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.5] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:06:05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 02:06:06.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[F924D310:01C0BD74] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Canberra has some interesting weather at times: Storms, heat, fires, drought, flash floods, snow, frost, lots of fogs and beautiful mist formations around the lake and Brindabellas. The interaction of the sea-breeze front in summer with the congestus over the ranges is also fascinating. We certainly do get 4 distinct seasons. Unfortunately, like most parts of inland Australia, we also have long periods (such as the present) where not much happens. Canberra also suffers from a rain shadow effect (although not as severely as the nearby Monaro) which limits some of the more interesting weather coming in from the SW and SE in particular. I think that somewhere like Batlow or Tumbarumba would have more interesting weather less affected by rain shadows (more snow, more storms and more rain). Too much higher and I would say it becomes too cool to live comfortably and you would miss a lot of the interesting weather because you wouldn't see it for the fog and low cloud. Victoria has interesting weather but is also subject (especially in the south) to long periods of seemingly endless stratocumulus... I often think it is a pity (with current climate patterns and locations of other land masses oceans staying the same) that Australia is not 10 degrees further south. I am sure that would give us a more similar set-up to the US - with good continental polar airmass potential in the south in winter, whilst retaining access to tropical moisture for storm fuel is late spring summer. The continent would then provide an ideal playground for the interaction of these airmasses. Patrick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Willis, Andrew AD" To: "'Aussie Weather'" Subject: aus-wx: Perfect Place to live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:30:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Lower hunter, maybe Maitland or Muswellbrook. Watching the radar this past summer and there has been easily a half dozen or more king sized storms go through that area. All we need is a road from Muswellbrook crossing the Barringtons to Gloucster and you'd have the best chase track in Australia. Andrew Willis ABB Communications Onesteel Pipe & Tube Information Systems Desktop Support Phone: (02) 49411661 Fax: (02) 49411602 Email: mailto:willisa at onesteel.com ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at reinforcing.com. 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I have too much spare time, so don't read the massive email if you don't have the time. The weather watching from this area is really spectacular. These are some of the things you can see sometimes around here. Sometimes you'll look out the window and see the clear blue sky, another lovely day. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0405de03.jpg Sometimes you'll look out the window to see the showers falling in the valley. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg Sometimes you'll look out the window and see a shelf cloud heading your way. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1227de09.jpg Sometimes you'll walk into the kitchen and see a large funnel dropping out of a cloud http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0129de01.jpg Sometimes you'll come home from school to look at radar and see a 'sub-tropical cyclone' centering just of the coast, making the wind and rain more 'fun'. Sometimes you'll wake up to the news that Lismore has flooded, and you can go down to have a look. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0202de03.jpg Sometimes you'll see anvils in the distance. Not 1, not 2, maybe three or more. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de05.jpg http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de06.jpg http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de09.jpg Sometimes you'll take a trip down the road and see a supercell, not one but two. Both heading directly for you! http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de15.jpg http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de22.jpg Sometimes you'll be driving along and see a guster like this blowing over your head. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de31.jpg Sometimes you'll find large hail lying around the place, after the guster has come through. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de33.jpg Sometimes when you wake up in the morning and fall asleep at night, the rain is falling hard, and makes you want to curl up in bed and drift off. Sometimes a westerly blows up, and manages to suspend you and you friend in the air, while you hold up a large blanket. The westerly also gives a new meaning to kite flying. Sometimes you'll wake up to a fog filled valley that looks like a river flowing below you. Sometimes you'll wake up to a view like this. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0118de02.jpg Sometimes you'll wake up to a 5-degree morning that keeps you in bed, or around the fire until absolutely necessary to move and sometimes you'll spend the day in 40-degrees plus This is what weather watching is all about to me, and that is why I believe that the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau is the best place to live, and watch the weather!! Sorry the email was so long! Dave Ellem +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "W.A. (Bill) Webb" To: "Wx Aus" Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:25:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I second Thargomindah
 
Bill, one time Cunnamulla Fella,
now Proserpine/Whitsundays
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Yole
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live

One word for all those on TDU99............Thargomindah <G>
 
PaulY
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:56:46 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Perfect Place to live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Are you in the tourism industry? Love your work. Andrew. Dave Ellem wrote: > > Hi All, > I thought I'd join in the fun and list some reasons (backed up with a few > pics) why I think the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau (just near Lismore) is > the best place to live. I have too much spare time, so don't read the > massive email if you don't have the time. > The weather watching from this area is really spectacular. These are some of > the things you can see sometimes around here. > Sometimes you'll look out the window and see the clear blue sky, another > lovely day. > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0405de03.jpg > Sometimes you'll look out the window to see the showers falling in the > valley. > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg > Sometimes you'll look out the window and see a shelf cloud heading your way. > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1227de09.jpg > Sometimes you'll walk into the kitchen and see a large funnel dropping out > of a cloud > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0129de01.jpg > Sometimes you'll come home from school to look at radar and see a > 'sub-tropical cyclone' centering just of the coast, making the wind and rain > more 'fun'. > Sometimes you'll wake up to the news that Lismore has flooded, and you can > go down to have a look. > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0202de03.jpg > Sometimes you'll see anvils in the distance. Not 1, not 2, maybe three or > more. > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de05.jpg > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de06.jpg > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de09.jpg > Sometimes you'll take a trip down the road and see a supercell, not one but > two. Both heading directly for you! > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de15.jpg > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de22.jpg > Sometimes you'll be driving along and see a guster like this blowing over > your head. > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de31.jpg > Sometimes you'll find large hail lying around the place, after the guster > has come through. > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de33.jpg > Sometimes when you wake up in the morning and fall asleep at night, the rain > is falling hard, and makes you want to curl up in bed and drift off. > Sometimes a westerly blows up, and manages to suspend you and you friend in > the air, while you hold up a large blanket. The westerly also gives a new > meaning to kite flying. > Sometimes you'll wake up to a fog filled valley that looks like a river > flowing below you. > Sometimes you'll wake up to a view like this. > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0118de02.jpg > Sometimes you'll wake up to a 5-degree morning that keeps you in bed, or > around the fire until absolutely necessary to move and sometimes you'll > spend the day in 40-degrees plus > This is what weather watching is all about to me, and that is why I believe > that the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau is the best place to live, and watch > the weather!! > Sorry the email was so long! > Dave Ellem > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:10:26 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine per day at the same time. After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no winter - that's a down side. Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... endless dreaming. In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney Don White "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: > > Maui. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p633-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.142.125] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:32:11 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael, As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of weather system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what I have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well. Jimmy Deguara At 08:44 PM 4/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >My vote is close to Jimmy also. I would actually choose Glen Innes. I >would lose about 2/3 of Dorrigo's rainfall but probably pick up a higher >rate of severe storms ( I think that the Dorrigo area often goes off too >early ). There is also the chance of winter snow, not to mention frosts >by the dozen. Glen Innes is a safe looking town, large enough to have >amenities, but still small enough to be friendly. From Glen Innes you >could strike out west to Inverell quickly, to the Darling downs in 2 hours >or to Grafton in 2 hours. An alternative would be Stanthorpe in Queensland. > >If higher rainfall and a warmer climate were your priorities my second >vote would to Maleny just west of the sunshine coast and Nambour, on a >plateau overlooking the Glasshouse Mountains. High rainfall measured in >metres, and within 1 hour chasing distance of some of Australia's tornado >hotspots such as Gympie. > >Michael > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: dann weatherhead >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 18:10 >Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > >Hey everyone! > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the >aussie weather forum. > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of >Australia ? > >This should be interesting. > >dann >__________________________ >Daniel Weatherhead >Blaxland, NSW >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS >www.sydneystormchasers.com ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:38:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wowie, The wet side or the dry side ? Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hardy (home)" To: "Weather Junkies" Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 0:24 Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > Maui. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Evariste Tempete Tropicale Moderee Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:51:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Carl and others
 
I notice Evariste Tempete Tropicale Moderee (Moderate Tropical Storm Evariste) formed in that eastern low in the far eastern Indian Ocean after taking a 180 degree U-turn overnight, while the low to the west seems to be suffering shearing from the north west.
 
Walter to passing nail bitingly close to Xmas Island despite being in a weakening  mode (Cat 2).
 
NT low looks like passing overland.
 
Which still leaves me interested in that low now close to the northern tip of Vanuatu. Looks good for development over night or tomorrow, but after that it would appear that it may suffer due to poor upper air environment.
 
Any thoughts on this ?
 
 
 
Regards
Simon
 
X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:07:06 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi ppls, Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and the winds, well lets just leave it at that. PS Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc............................................. regards Andrew +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:39:50 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, I'm pleased that I didn't respond to this question earlier, because your responses have allowed me to fill in my calendar. A mobile home would be my preferred place of residence (if I wasn't working the hours that I am at present). Equipped with a computer, I would work when there wasn't any significant weather in the area & chase on the days that there was. The hardest decision would be "where do I go next?" The calendar could be something like this: July - Perth & the SW for tornadoes, August - up through the Snowy Mountains & environs (snow / sleet & frost), late spring: northern slopes, tablelands & coast of NSW including SE Queensland....aaah the plains storms of Mullaley, Gunnedah, Muswellbrook, Glen Innes & northwards........up the coast (rain) & then across to Darwin for a month or two of tropical weather & then off to the Plains of Oklahoma & Texas for a month or two............and the best thing about this timetable? It isn't a timetable - I can go where the weather is...if the jet is further north than usual, then so might I be.....none of this having to call everyone else 'bastards' because you have the weather that I want........ ...all I have to do now (amongst other things) is work out how to pay for my petrol bill now we know how far we can actually drive in a weekend........... Anthony, can you let me know if you win that raffle please!!!!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:55:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Is there a Maui in Australia? I know there is a tropical group of islands of something... Also - why Maui? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hardy (home) To: Weather Junkies Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:24 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > Maui. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:15:38 +1000 Subject: [ Aussie Wx List ] Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live From: Mark Hardy To: , wz list X-Errors-To: postmaster at theweather.com.au REPLY-TO: "Aussie Wx List" My reasons for Maui Maximum weather variability per square metre! As Don said 200mm to 10,000mm of rain per annum in a distance of 10km. You can be driving along and pass through several climate zones in 5 minutes. Mt Haleakeala at 10,033 feet has an alpine-like climate and a landscape like the moon at the top. Snow is rare but happens. It sits above the semi-permanent trade wind inversion. Thunderstorms are not very common but can occur. The slopes of Haleakela pass through everything, tropical, subtropical and mid-latitude climates both wet and dry. Tradewinds blow 30kts constantly on the windward side. Perfectly still sunshine on the leeward shores. The worlds biggest swell provide some of the worlds most awesome surf at places like JAWS, Honalua Bay, Ma'alea and Ho'okipa. Hurricanes are rare but one passed through when I was there in 1994. All on an Island about 100km in length. You can easily drive around it in a day. If you are bored with the weather on Maui you only need to take a hike. Mark > From: Don White > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:10:26 +1000 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > per day at the same time. > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > winter - that's a down side. > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > endless dreaming. > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > Don White > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: >> >> Maui. >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > -- Visit WeatherZone, the site for weather freaks http://www.weatherzone.com.au -- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: aussie-weather-unsubscribe at theweather.com.au X-Originating-IP: [152.91.8.248] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:52:28 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 09:52:28.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[202AFE80:01C0BDB6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Yeah Jimmy must be good for t'storms.  Stayed at a guest house there in '95 which has a purpose built room with 180 degrees of windows just for watching storms - Tallawallah Retreat I think it's called.

one lazy chaser

>From: Jimmy Deguara
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:32:11 +1000
>
>Hi Michael,
>
>As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of
>weather
>system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from
>what I
>have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything
>is to
>go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:48 +1000 From: Keith Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker? So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold? For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain per annum... Don White wrote: > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > per day at the same time. > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > winter - that's a down side. > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > endless dreaming. > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > Don White > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: > > > > Maui. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p12-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.76] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:20:49 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge? Jimmy Deguara At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker? >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold? >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain >per annum... > >Don White wrote: > > > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > > per day at the same time. > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > > winter - that's a down side. > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > > endless dreaming. > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > > Don White > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: > > > > > > Maui. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:35:46 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 18:55 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Is there a Maui in Australia? > >I know there is a tropical group of islands of something... > >Also - why Maui? >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > >> Maui. It's the name of an oil rig off the Taranaki coast John Gaul NZ Phart Society +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:38:09 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 18:07 5/04/01 +0930, you wrote: >Hi ppls, > >Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all >year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing >awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and >the winds, well lets just leave it at that. > >PS >Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc......................................... .... > >regards > >Andrew Shall we all Storm Chasers move there. Better fun than boring old planet Earth John Gaul NZ Boring weather Soc +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:15:38 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live From: Mark Hardy To: , wz list Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My reasons for Maui Maximum weather variability per square metre! As Don said 200mm to 10,000mm of rain per annum in a distance of 10km. You can be driving along and pass through several climate zones in 5 minutes. Mt Haleakeala at 10,033 feet has an alpine-like climate and a landscape like the moon at the top. Snow is rare but happens. It sits above the semi-permanent trade wind inversion. Thunderstorms are not very common but can occur. The slopes of Haleakela pass through everything, tropical, subtropical and mid-latitude climates both wet and dry. Tradewinds blow 30kts constantly on the windward side. Perfectly still sunshine on the leeward shores. The worlds biggest swell provide some of the worlds most awesome surf at places like JAWS, Honalua Bay, Ma'alea and Ho'okipa. Hurricanes are rare but one passed through when I was there in 1994. All on an Island about 100km in length. You can easily drive around it in a day. If you are bored with the weather on Maui you only need to take a hike. Mark > From: Don White > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:10:26 +1000 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > per day at the same time. > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > winter - that's a down side. > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > endless dreaming. > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > Don White > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: >> >> Maui. >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy \(home\)" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:35:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Definitely not THAT Maui. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gaul" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live | At 18:55 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote: | >Is there a Maui in Australia? | > | >I know there is a tropical group of islands of something... | > | >Also - why Maui? | | >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live | > | > | >> Maui. | | It's the name of an oil rig off the Taranaki coast | | John Gaul | NZ Phart Society | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com | with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your | message. | -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.35.254.2] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Jupiter: The Perfect Place to Live? Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:09:23 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 14:09:23.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[04320100:01C0BDDA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all > >year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing > >awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses >and > >the winds, well lets just leave it at that. > > > >PS > >Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc......................................... > > > >regards > > > >Andrew > >Shall we all Storm Chasers move there. >Better fun than boring old planet Earth the equatorial jet stream of Jupiter is thought to be in the order of 30,000 kms wide and moving at up to 400km/hr - but a rather zonal flow. Also, would bet it is hard going chasing on that metallic hydrogen. dont know about the hail though!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:32:45 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Don, I suspect some places on the West Coast of the south island could definatly be up there with rainfall gradients but probbaly not the sunshine ;) Cya ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don White" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > per day at the same time. > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > winter - that's a down side. > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > endless dreaming. > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > Don White > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: > > > > Maui. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey andrew, i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail. cheers, lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Wall" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:37 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > Hi ppls, > > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and > the winds, well lets just leave it at that. > > PS > Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.......................................... ... > > regards > > Andrew > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:55:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com And for my second favourite place to reside...and most of you will hate me for this :) Fairbanks, Alaska. With climate change impacting on all of us, by the time I retire, it should be just about perfect there, not that it isn't already. I've seen pics of ice fog and -50C on new years eve there. Bewdiful. Lindsay Pearce PS: I've gotta say though, Jane's caravan idea (Me, a Winnebago with a trailer for the car etc) is pretty spiffy. Even my partner is keen on that one, whohoo! Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:24:57 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: TC Sose is Born Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Looking at JTWC, they have named the tropical low to the N of Vanuatu! TC Sose, JTWC have it tracking WSW and then SW to SSW in the next 24-48hrs slowly intensifying to 70kn winds. Fiji's ocean wind warning suggest it to turn SE soon though :/ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Sose is Born Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:12:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anthony Any pronunciation guesses: Sosee Sozee Zozee Something else ? Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:24 AM Subject: aus-wx: TC Sose is Born > Hi all, > > Looking at JTWC, they have named the tropical low to the N of Vanuatu! > TC Sose, JTWC have it tracking WSW and then SW to SSW in the next > 24-48hrs slowly intensifying to 70kn winds. > > Fiji's ocean wind warning suggest it to turn SE soon though :/ > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Matthew Piper" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Perfect Place? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:38:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Id have to agree with Paul on this one. Darwin is such a great place even when its the dry season. Ive been there twice and seen Kakudu in both the wet and the dry and I must say it is one of my favourite locations. Also Darwin gets their fare share of tornados which has certainly been proven this year.
 
Matthew Piper
 
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Darwin of course! Gale force monsoons, gulf lines, squall lines, multi-cells, lightning capital of australia if not the world,  TC's, earthquakes, more rainfall in 6 months then most of you southerners get in 12 months, laid back lifestyle, WARM all year round, and tax benefits for living here!
Not to mention the amazing scenery - waterfalls to swim in, fishing, camping, etc etc.
 
 
X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:42:43 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com How about the summit weather station on Mt Washington, in the White Mountains of New Hampshire in the USA. World record straight line wind speed. World record rime formations. Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - - - - - www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:37:38 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It'll probably never happen, but wouldn't a Bellenden Ker weather cam be kinda cool [apart from being in cloud half the time, maybe it should come with its own searchlight ;)] >At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was >wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge? > >Jimmy Deguara > >At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >>For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker? >>So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people >>actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty >>good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold? >>For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain >>per annum... >> >>Don White wrote: >> > >> > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of >> > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where >> > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine >> > per day at the same time. >> > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 >> > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no >> > winter - that's a down side. >> > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - >> > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 >> > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... >> > endless dreaming. >> > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney >> > Don White >> > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: >> > > >> > > Maui. >> > > >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >>your >> > > message. >> > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> > message. >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - - - - - www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.36.248.19] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:29:08 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 23:29:08.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[365567F0:01C0BE28] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Lyle, As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may well cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another... Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: "Lyle Pakula" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600 > >Hey andrew, > >i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i >don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail. > >cheers, lyle > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew Wall" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:37 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > > > Hi ppls, > > > > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all > > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing > > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses >and > > the winds, well lets just leave it at that. > > > > PS > > >Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.......................................... >... > > > > regards > > > > Andrew > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:28:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Laurier I would reiterate my point that this is all a mater of perspective. In respect of the Dictionary either argument could be equally supported. From "6. unusual; odd; irregular" a storm of this severity may be odd or unusual from the perspective of the residents but with 100s or 1000s of similar storms occurring around Australia in a single year it could equally be view as not being "unusual, odd, or irregular". My point is that sometimes you need to consider the perspective from which the point is being made. It might seem insensitive, but most people are pretty decent, and Steve's comments downplaying the "freakishness of the storm" would seem to be more of a educational point rather than an insensitive jibe at affected parties. That said... I guess the MAIN concern I have with the introduction of words such as "freak" is that it allows a disowning or justification for ill-preparedness. A classic recent example is the flooding of parts of Cairns CBD about a month ago associated with Spring Tides. These were widely quoted as freak, but such an event is an annual occurrence (and while this might have been partly enhanced by the prevailing atmospheric situation), anybody who has seen this area knows such a event is just waiting to happen. Another one that comes to mind is the Yarra flood disaster waiting to happen around central Melbourne. For example, if we were to have a 1934 style flood (which is almost a certainty) you would expect that billions of dollars worth of real-estate around the Yarra River will be inundated. When this happens, one can guarantee that there will be all manner of superlatives applied including "freak" and "record" and associated calls for Government hand-outs when we know it is a statistical certainty that this type of event will happen again. I guess my views come out of my time in climate/climate forecasting where everything is viewed from a probability point of view, which really doesn't allow for the categorical labels such as "freak". From this perspective the occurrence of an event is a "certainty" provided you live long enough. I should add that this is all my personal view. Regards, David. Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: The perfect place to live. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:53:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >From: Don White >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live >I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of >10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where >it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine >per day at the same time. >After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 >months of the year. I think I'm with you on this one Don. There is some really nice real estate on Flagstaff Hill from where I could happily spend many hours watching the weather, though the down side is the PRICE. Further south, I probably couldn't go past some of the Alpine Valley locations on the eastern side of the Snowy's - Thredbo Village location is nice but way to busy and snobbish. High rainfall, ripper frosts at any time of year, the odd BIG dump of snow, and storms, but interspersed with those great mountain day with brilliant sunshine and fantastic scenery. Outside of Australia, for wet and cold my vote would go for somewhere in British Columbia, and for warm and wet I couldn't go past Maui or maybe Hawaii proper (at least that way I could still get a ski in). Cheers, David. Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Squall Line pics and a bushfire! Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:06:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Heya everyone,
 
Well i have finally gotten my photos developed from the 28/02/01 ---the squall line day through sydney.
 
My scanner has been broken for about 4 months, but in a completely fluke effort yesterday, i fixed it.
 
So here are some quite interesting pics....
 
 
This photo was taken over the turf farms over Richmond and Freemans Reach. This photo shows the far NE end of the squall line. This updraft was spinning like a top. In my days of chasing i have almost never seen a more dynamic updraft ( 13 nov 1998 was pretty awesome too!). It was in the right area for a supercell to form, it looked like a supercell, it smelled like a supercell, but whether it was i dunno. I think it may have been too short lived to be a supercell, although it was around for at least 60 minutes. You can see the outflow forming to the bottom right of the main updraft. The white shaft is 1-2 cm hail that dropped over Kurrajong Heights and Portland.
 
 
The next photo is a few minutes later with a more pronounced outflow
 
 
To top it off, a bushfire!!
 
Last thursday a pretty big bushfire burned away for most the day south of Glenbrook on the Lwer Blue Mountains. There was lots of pyrocumulus from this fire and at sunset it even gave some sooty smelling precip on our house at Blaxland. Anyway this is at about 3pm. Look at the rotation in the smoke plume!
 
 
Cheers!
 
dann
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From: "Adam Mayo" To: "Australian Severe Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Squall Line Pics and a bushfire! Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:51:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dann, Your photos are wonderful, lucky you. What sort of camera do you use? Judy Mayo +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:59:37 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: Re: aus-wx:Jupiter, The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, for those that either disagree or don't know check this page out, shows the image of Lightning on Jupiter from the Galileo Spacecraft which is orbiting Jupier now. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971216.html Andrew... At 09:29 AM 4/6/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Lyle, > >As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The >reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the >temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may >well cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another... > >Cheers, >Kevin from Wycheproof. > > >>From: "Lyle Pakula" >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live >>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600 >> >>Hey andrew, >> >>i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i >>don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail. >> >>cheers, lyle >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Andrew Wall" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:37 AM >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live >> >> >> > Hi ppls, >> > >> > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all >> > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing >> > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and >> > the winds, well lets just leave it at that. >> > >> > PS >> > >>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.......................................... >>... >> > >> > regards >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> > message. >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2262648-43-986534109-mbath=ozemail.com.au at returns.onelist.com X-Sender: amiskelly at ozemail.com.au X-Apparently-To: auswx-webmasters at yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, auswx-webmasters at yahoogroups.com From: Andrew Miskelly Mailing-List: list auswx-webmasters at yahoogroups.com; contact auswx-webmasters-owner at yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list auswx-webmasters at yahoogroups.com List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:19:04 +1000 Reply-To: auswx-webmasters at yahoogroups.com Subject: [auswx-webmasters] Text AWS Data All, Where can I get a simply formatted raw text format of the AWS data (that updates as often as possible)? I am writing a program to graphically display the data, and am currently getting it from one of the BoM HTML pages so I have to use a function to filter out all the HTML and other garbage which is pretty messy. Thanks in advance, Andrew. -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: auswx-webmasters-unsubscribe at egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:34:52 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Text AWS Data Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry, I should add that to start with I want it for NSW. Andrew. Andrew Miskelly wrote: > > All, > > Where can I get a simply formatted raw text format of the AWS data (that > updates as often as possible)? > > I am writing a program to graphically display the data, and am currently > getting it from one of the BoM HTML pages so I have to use a function to > filter out all the HTML and other garbage which is pretty messy. > > Thanks in advance, > > Andrew. > > -- > > With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of > messages, this email MAY be forwarded. > > Andrew Miskelly > amiskelly at ozemail.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:28:35 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Text AWS Data From: Mark Hardy To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Andrew You can get that data from the Bureau. They have a comma delimited text file available by FTP updated every 15 minutes. The fee is $108.30 per year. Mark > From: Andrew Miskelly > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:34:52 +1000 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Text AWS Data > > Sorry, I should add that to start with I want it for NSW. > > Andrew. > > > Andrew Miskelly wrote: >> >> All, >> >> Where can I get a simply formatted raw text format of the AWS data (that >> updates as often as possible)? >> >> I am writing a program to graphically display the data, and am currently >> getting it from one of the BoM HTML pages so I have to use a function to >> filter out all the HTML and other garbage which is pretty messy. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Andrew. >> >> -- >> >> With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of >> messages, this email MAY be forwarded. >> >> Andrew Miskelly >> amiskelly at ozemail.com.au >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > > With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of > messages, this email MAY be forwarded. > > Andrew Miskelly > amiskelly at ozemail.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sose Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:42:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Interested peoples
 
Looks impressive in latest sat pics, particularly bearing in mind yesterday's BoM TC outlook predicting no development and a path well away from Qld. They may still be spot on the second prediction.
 
I think it all depends on how far Sose gets toward the west before a southward movement.
 
Continued westward movement would see steady strengthening, while a southward path would probably see unfavourable upper winds ????????
 
Nonetheless, I think the surf will soon be up along the south coast for all those who are so inclined.
 
 
Regards
Simon
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:28:34 +1000 From: Keith Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog. With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'.... Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was > wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge? > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker? > >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people > >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty > >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold? > >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain > >per annum... > > > >Don White wrote: > > > > > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where > > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > > > per day at the same time. > > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > > > winter - that's a down side. > > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > > > endless dreaming. > > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > > > Don White > > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: > > > > > > > > Maui. > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:31:51 +1000 From: Keith Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I read that Jupiter has lightning bolts 30000 km in length. Kevin Phyland wrote: > > Hi Lyle, > > As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The > reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the > temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may well > cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another... > > Cheers, > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > >From: "Lyle Pakula" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600 > > > >Hey andrew, > > > >i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i > >don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail. > > > >cheers, lyle > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Andrew Wall" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:37 AM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > > > > > > Hi ppls, > > > > > > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all > > > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing > > > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses > >and > > > the winds, well lets just leave it at that. > > > > > > PS > > > > >Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.......................................... > >... > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:30:55 +1000 From: Keith Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com You could always install a fog horn.... Phil Bagust wrote: > > It'll probably never happen, but wouldn't a Bellenden Ker weather cam be > kinda cool [apart from being in cloud half the time, maybe it should come > with its own searchlight ;)] > > >At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was > >wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge? > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > >At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >>For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker? > >>So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people > >>actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty > >>good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold? > >>For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain > >>per annum... > >> > >>Don White wrote: > >> > > >> > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > >> > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where > >> > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > >> > per day at the same time. > >> > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > >> > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > >> > winter - that's a down side. > >> > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > >> > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > >> > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > >> > endless dreaming. > >> > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > >> > Don White > >> > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Maui. > >> > > > >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >> to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >>your > >> > > message. > >> > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> > message. > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Jimmy Deguara > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > >from > >Schofields, Sydney > >NSW Australia > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - - - - - www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:13:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Your right Jimmy, when there is widespread and general instability it is the first to go off often , but when conditions are borderline then Dorrigo often has the only storms around, and I am always a fan of borderline conditions. Borderline conditions don't always mean weak storms, sometimes they mean only the severe survive. The Ebor area just west would also be interesting. Michael > > As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of weather > system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what I > have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to > go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well. > ----------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: "Aussie Weather Mailing List" , Subject: aus-wx: The perfect place to live - go and work there too Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:32:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Many of you say that Darwin is the place to be. There are some Darwin jobs in the latest Commonwealth Government Gazette. Most of the Centrelink jobs are now open to all, not just pubic servants and many people are now recruited at levels well above base. The work is crap and gone are the days when it was an easy job, but for a single person the opportunities for travel are there. In the past 3 months there has been jobs in Darwin, Townsville, Cairns, Tweed Heads and Port Macquarie just to name a few very desirable locations....and you have the weekends and afternoons to chase. Address is http://www.agps.gov.au/egaz/index.htm Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p125-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.125] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:35:53 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Keith, You sense of humour never seems to amaze me. I had a situation the other day where we had rain but I was wondering (just subconsiously) that the rainfall was surprising. Well it happened the next morning that I was told my father watering the garden and perhaps say dreaming a little accidently watered the inside of the raingauge. I am at a loss now as to how much went in. I will have to review the amount. Jimmy Deguara At 07:28 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee >wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog. >With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not >looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and >prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'.... > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was > > wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge? > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker? > > >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people > > >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty > > >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold? > > >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain > > >per annum... > > > > > >Don White wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > > > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place > where > > > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > > > > per day at the same time. > > > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > > > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > > > > winter - that's a down side. > > > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > > > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > > > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > > > > endless dreaming. > > > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > > > > Don White > > > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Maui. > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of your > > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p125-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.125] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:16:39 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael, Thanks for the clarification on that point. But I would also like to make my point a little clearer. On days that we may consider pulse storm days or perhaps weak cap days, my judgement of this area is they still have the ability to fire. One prime example was the 4th November 2000 hailstorm at Dorrigo. Sure it was an unstable environment but there were many supercells that afternoon - in fact too many. So one would assume it was not idea for the best storms. I tell you what, when I got to Grafton that afternoon, I thought most of the activity was over but I was promised by Paul Graham that there was a very serious storm to the S. Hey starting from that area and moving generally north. Often these storms don't make it to Grafton but smash through the region around Nymboida. To my astonishment, after seeing one supercell drift north from near the area say NW of Dorrigo, this one that Paul Graham mention had a wall cloud. Trust me on this one, I often ask the locals in my storm chases and use my experience in judging exaggeration. I have found for the first time, almost every single local in that region talking of violent hailstorms of being almost "normal" occurrence. Obviously some years more than others. So why don't we know? Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries. They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds in the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit the coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area. Now for the SE eradicator? Not so, often because of the shape of the escarpment, a SE flow with NE ahead of it can enhance at least briefly the prospect of storms in the area whereas Sydney and other areas tend to lose out in such situations. Anyway enough of me. I am getting too excited just talking of the area. The only thing I can say is that if you don't go there, not even radar can give you an indication of how serious that area is to producing severe storm activity. I mean even talking to Michael Bath who first noticed this pattern and he has a person who lived in the area and suggests that severe storms are a regular occurrence. I actually had to visit there and hear the stories to really realise it. I am definitely going to live there one day:) Jimmy Deguara At 08:13 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Your right Jimmy, when there is widespread and general instability it is the >first to go off often , but when conditions are borderline then Dorrigo >often has the only storms around, and I am always a fan of borderline >conditions. Borderline conditions don't always mean weak storms, sometimes >they mean only the severe survive. The Ebor area just west would also be >interesting. > >Michael > > > > As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of >weather > > system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what >I > > have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to > > go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well. > > >----------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Strong Baroclinic development. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:09:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2001 12:09:20.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[6969ADD0:01C0BE92] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in response to a developing low south east of Esperance,also a nice cold air field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high cloud extending from the tropical disturbance over the top end of the NT.At the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into a monster and may push to cat 4/5 (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36 hours if a westward motion is favoured it may sail close to the eastern side of Australia, although the major trough over the Bight may influence a more south to southeast movement by Sunday.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: SOSE to move south then more toward west Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 07:49:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Everyone
 
The latest JTWC advice suggests a southward track followed by a more westerly movement late in the forecast period. Very slow moving though and still remaining way out in the eastern Coral Sea.
 
 
They see improved structure, but I think the system has become a little bit elongated without a clear centre.
 
If it can escape what appears to be an upper drag to the south south east (Fiji Met predicted movement is to the SE), it may well become a very large westward moving system, but possibly not of great intensity  
 
BoM advised yesterday that it expected Sose to remain beyond 160 degrees. I can't see it getting beyond about 158 degrees at this stage even if it manages to steer around that high to its south south west (but bear in mind how close this line is SEQ).
 
Keep watching this one folks
Simon
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:48:12 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: I Helped Create TC Sose Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Weird topic I know :) But 10 days ago, I was hounded by my parents on what will happen to our TC's...in frustration and in light of a poor TC season I responded with a "There will not be anymore TC's this season" - and as soon as I said that, I realised that within the next 2 weeks, one had to form somewhere off the QLD coast (even if it is way off the QLD coast!) Maybe we should do this for all our storm days. -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:46:01 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strong Baroclinic development. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve, I think the main factor is the shear - a fairly strong STJ is sitting south of Sose (running at 80-90kn, although the shear tendancy is weakening in this area) I thinkt he effects of the STJ can be seen on the sat pics, on its current track it is going to go into increasingly unfavourable shear, which may curb its intensification, however has Simon pointed out, it JTWC are suggesting a more westward movement which could prove interesting - as there is a weakening of the STJ moving through. The BoM are expecting big swells on Monday and Tuesday for the south QLD coast. Fiji insist this system will recurve SE soon though. The waters though can certainly support a monster - it really needs to drift slowly westward to intensify into a significant TC - as southward is not so favourable (although SST's are more than ample). Currently it is 985hPa. It's certainly got my attention! AC clyve herbert wrote: > > Hi all. > Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in > response to a developing low south east of Esperance,also a nice cold air > field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high > cloud extending from the tropical disturbance over the top end of the NT.At > the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern > Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch > on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into a monster > and may push to cat 4/5 (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36 > hours if a westward motion is favoured it may sail close to the eastern side > of Australia, although the major trough over the Bight may influence a more > south to southeast movement by Sunday.regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dorrell's" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:38:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Michael, I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties, the exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers even though rare. Keith Dorrell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Bath" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM > weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller > areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge > rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short distance > inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold. > > It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us on > this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for some > it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just comfortable. > > For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore - > Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note > that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km ENE > from the centre of Lismore. > > Reasons: > > - extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year > - accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations > - conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like > Darwin build up, and only some very cold days > - plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good > percentage of supercells > - a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm > chasing > - large hail likely each season > - violent winds likely each season > - shelf clouds very common > - hail drifts possible each season > - tornadoes possible each season > - flash floods possible each season > - plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning > - coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents > - does get cold fronts > - prone to trough activity including from tropical origins > - beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year > - prone to East Coast Lows > - prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs ! > - blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of mod-heavy > shower activity > - blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and > fine days > - Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W gales > > Some disadvantages: > > - lacks vigorous cold frontal activity > - can get a bit hot and sticky > - never snows > - rarely gets extremes of heat or cold > - showery weather can hang around for weeks > - fine weather can hang around for weeks > - nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases > > A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is the > best ! > > regards, Michael > > > > At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >Hey everyone! > > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the > >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex > >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the > >aussie weather forum. > > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. > >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical > >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the > >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of > >Australia ? > > > >This should be interesting. > > > >dann > >__________________________ > >Daniel Weatherhead > >Blaxland, NSW > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > >www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > ============================================================= > Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au > McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ > NE NSW Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ > ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > ============================================================= > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:35:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Keith, Where is Mt Nardi? Matt Pearce +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: TC Sose slight drift to SSE Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:11:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Anthony and others
 
As you would all probably know, Sose (apparently the popular pronunciation is "So-Say") has commenced a slight nudge toward the SSE. It appears the centre is sheared to the west of the upper structure at present. However this evening the unfavourable conditions to the south appear to be slackening its overall influence on the TC. I still think a SW movement will redevelop and BoM reflect this in their latest progs.
 
I just wish JTWC updated their advisories for us a bit more often !
 
Can anyone please give me the address for a website called Hurricane City. I find this a most useful site, but I can't find it despite my searching.
 
 
Thanks
Simon
From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: I Helped Create TC Sose Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:24:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anthony I know what you mean. Many of my work mates regularly request forecasts from me and I have been making a bit of a 'banana' of myself this summer. This weekend I suggested to one colleague -windy and showery in Bayside Brisbane - but today has been absolutely perfect - no rain at all. Fortunately, most of my friends tend to be forgiving (they pass my weather interest off as a mad eccentricity). Fortunately, they are more forgiving of me than the people at BoM when their forecasts go spack ! It can sometimes be a bit of a gamble - but if it wasn't, would we all be in interested ? That's why I'm always prepared to look like a 'banana' for my thoughts. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: aus-wx: I Helped Create TC Sose > Hi all, > > Weird topic I know :) But 10 days ago, I was hounded by my parents on > what will happen to our TC's...in frustration and in light of a poor TC > season I responded with a "There will not be anymore TC's this season" - > and as soon as I said that, I realised that within the next 2 weeks, one > had to form somewhere off the QLD coast (even if it is way off the QLD > coast!) > > Maybe we should do this for all our storm days. > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:24:45 +1000 From: Keith Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It might be a meteorological version of Schrodinger's Cat..something to do with not being able to prove it's there because you didn't see it...? I just forget the whole thing for now (probably just as well) but it's in the realm of quantum physics. Seriously though, it's a real problem having to interpolate/extrapolate data due to accidental circumstances. One of the worst things that could happen for me in the data measurement area is to accidentally spill the rainwater when measuring it. I suppose one could resort to using the official record if the official station isn't too far away. But this is one reason why I never go on holidays as the readings would be missed. Too fanatical I suppose... Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi Keith, > > You sense of humour never seems to amaze me. I had a situation the other > day where we had rain but I was wondering (just subconsiously) that the > rainfall was surprising. Well it happened the next morning that I was told > my father watering the garden and perhaps say dreaming a little accidently > watered the inside of the raingauge. I am at a loss now as to how much went > in. I will have to review the amount. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 07:28 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee > >wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog. > >With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not > >looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and > >prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'.... > > > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > > > At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was > > > wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge? > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > > >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker? > > > >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people > > > >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty > > > >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold? > > > >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain > > > >per annum... > > > > > > > >Don White wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of > > > > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place > > where > > > > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine > > > > > per day at the same time. > > > > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9 > > > > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no > > > > > winter - that's a down side. > > > > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala - > > > > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240 > > > > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails).... > > > > > endless dreaming. > > > > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney > > > > > Don White > > > > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Maui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of your > > > > > message. > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:19:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever seen Deliverance the movie ? > > Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the > northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries. > They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated > area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds in > the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit the > coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of > the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as > nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 02:34:31 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: SA - Vic front Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com .....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs & small branches falling that gets your attention Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens & pinks!!) Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this: STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am), ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT. ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT 500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 07:13:14 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide. About 10mm of moderate rain. A short lived gusty period after midnight. I woke to a dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu. We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end of that. >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs >& small branches falling that gets your attention > >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few >hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens >& pinks!!) > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this: >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am), >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT. >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front. > >Jane > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - - - - - www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:08:19 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: I Helped Create TC Sose Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon and all, Has anyone noticed the slight transition of the air/atmosphere to a more summer pattern? I guess this is normal given it is autumn and is often a mixture of winter and summer type scenarios...but still interesting that DP's are back up around the high teens/20's - and the upper atmosphere has warmed significantly, the CJ's yesterday were quite summery looking on the ranges...not the coastal, soft showery Cu that we've been having (possibly what prevented the windy, coastal shower forecast you gave!) Sose (thanks for the proncounciation, I've been pronouncing it incorrectly as Soze!), looks as if it will turn towards the SSW/SW soon - both JTWC and Fiji also agree on this now (Fiji has always been saying SE until recently). JTWC are forecasting it to hit 100kn by tomorrow - but looking at the sat pics it still has a bit more work to do...it will need to have a fair intensification to reach that! Upper level divergence is quite strong over the TC area...and the shear tendancy is weakening to its south and more so SW. The 850mb sat pics derived vorticity tend to indicate a better circulation in the low levels, and there's a very pronounced upper level anticyclone sitting just to the west of Sose. I think sometimes our forecasts are analogous to Murphy's Law of storm chasing #12 - "If there are two storms, the one you head to will weaken proportionally to the rate the other strengthens." We should just keep forecasting fine 365.25 days a year and enjoy storms each day in summer! AC Simon Clarke wrote: > > Anthony > > I know what you mean. > > Many of my work mates regularly request forecasts from me and I have been > making a bit of a 'banana' of myself this summer. > > This weekend I suggested to one colleague -windy and showery in Bayside > Brisbane - but today has been absolutely perfect - no rain at all. > > Fortunately, most of my friends tend to be forgiving (they pass my weather > interest off as a mad eccentricity). Fortunately, they are more forgiving of > me than the people at BoM when their forecasts go spack ! > > It can sometimes be a bit of a gamble - but if it wasn't, would we all be in > interested ? That's why I'm always prepared to look like a 'banana' for my > thoughts. > > Regards > Simon > -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.2.32.148] From: "Dave Ellem" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:43:03 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2001 22:43:04.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B594E70:01C0BFB4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes, I too remember being told about it 'snowing' in that area and that the community of Gonellabah (just next to Lismore) had sleet. My parents clearly remeber it!! For others wondering where Mount Nardi is, I'm pretty shore it's the tallest mountain in this photo, about the middle of the photo and hidden behind the rain curtain, but you can still make it out. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg This shot is facing NNW from Wollongbar (also can be seen from MB's house at McLeans Ridges). Hope that helps. >From: "Dorrell's" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:38:24 +1000 > >Michael, >I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties, >the >exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers >even >though rare. >Keith Dorrell >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Bath" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:16 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > > > > > I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM > > weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller > > areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge > > rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short >distance > > inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold. > > > > It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us >on > > this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for >some > > it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just >comfortable. > > > > For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore - > > Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note > > that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km >ENE > > from the centre of Lismore. > > > > Reasons: > > > > - extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year > > - accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations > > - conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like > > Darwin build up, and only some very cold days > > - plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good > > percentage of supercells > > - a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm > > chasing > > - large hail likely each season > > - violent winds likely each season > > - shelf clouds very common > > - hail drifts possible each season > > - tornadoes possible each season > > - flash floods possible each season > > - plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning > > - coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents > > - does get cold fronts > > - prone to trough activity including from tropical origins > > - beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year > > - prone to East Coast Lows > > - prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs ! > > - blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of >mod-heavy > > shower activity > > - blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and > > fine days > > - Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W >gales > > > > Some disadvantages: > > > > - lacks vigorous cold frontal activity > > - can get a bit hot and sticky > > - never snows > > - rarely gets extremes of heat or cold > > - showery weather can hang around for weeks > > - fine weather can hang around for weeks > > - nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases > > > > A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is >the > > best ! > > > > regards, Michael > > > > > > > > At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hey everyone! > > > > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the > > >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex > > >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in >the > > >aussie weather forum. > > > > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. > > >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical > > >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). > > > > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally >the > > >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of > > >Australia ? > > > > > >This should be interesting. > > > > > >dann > > >__________________________ > > >Daniel Weatherhead > > >Blaxland, NSW > > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > > >www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > > > ============================================================= > > Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au > > McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ > > NE NSW Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ > > ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > > ============================================================= > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:51:03 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Looks like there could be a low developing in western Bass Strait .......... > > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this: > >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am), > >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH > >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN > >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT. > >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT > > > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front. > > > >Jane > > > >-------------------------------- > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > >Melbourne Storm Chasers > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > >ASWA - Victoria > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >-------------------------------- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - - - - - www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:48:48 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind. Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a military base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to the Wx, with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the ground at least. regards Andrew At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote: >Hi Jane > >Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide. About 10mm of >moderate rain. A short lived gusty period after midnight. I woke to a >dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu. > >We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end of >that. > > > >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs > >& small branches falling that gets your attention > > > >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few > >hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind > >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the > >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall > >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently > >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm > >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens > >& pinks!!) > > > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this: > >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am), > >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH > >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN > >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT. > >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT > > > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front. > > > >Jane > > > >-------------------------------- > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > >Melbourne Storm Chasers > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > >ASWA - Victoria > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >-------------------------------- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au >- - - - - - - - - - - www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Lindsay's Snow Page Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 09:33:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day all, For the snow hounds among us, I've set up a little site for my snow pics. Bare with me, I'm new to all this but you should enjoy the pics. It's a fairly fast loading page, I think. The main page is a simple Blackheath local weather site and can't be accessed from the following link yet, and I wouldn't want you to see it just yet, anyway. :) http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/picture1.htm Cheers, Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:51:34 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List , wx-chase Subject: aus-wx: Nice Gust Front Pan from March 12 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week! And I scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined four of the photos to make the pan without any seams! It's certainly one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!! http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.87.233] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:32:06 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2001 02:02:07.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA0D0070:01C0BFCF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Phil and Andrew, I was rather impressed with the 14mm I recieved here, (just southeast of Adelaide CBD). The front really wasn't that impressive in terms of strength and I hardly expected anything from it especially when only light rain fell during the evening, the moderate showers around midnight were good and should ensure the grass stays green for the time being around my neighbourhood and beyond. At least we got more than just a bit further west of Adelaide where the falls were pathetic to say the least, nearly all below 1mm, further north at Pt Pirie a good fall of 22mm was recieved. Hope this bloody tropical cyclone SOSE moves west or dissapates because it is holding up the high pressure systems over the Bight region too much but I suppose that is a characterisitic of this time of year. If SOSE moves too far south then we could be under the influence of a strong high for quite a while! Really wishing we could get a significant rainband through SA soon with falls more around 30mm, haven't had one for ages that impacts on a large area of SA not just the south east. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:22:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Andrew, First off, congrats to you and Kathy for the new chaser on the way. Back to business, the RAAF can sometimes be pretty tight with this rule of filming a base, I have been escorted away from a couple of bases here in Vic, but fortunately haven't had any film confiscated. If you speak to the bases PR officer before you go, you can sometimes get permission to film certain things. The PR officer might also be able to speed up the return of the tape, they are usually pretty good people to deal with. The main problem can be that Edinburgh is a frontline base and as such has tighter security than say East Sale here in Vic which is just a training base. Were you there just to shoot dust devils, or were the visiting international planes too good to resist? I saw the Nimrod doing fly-bys at the Clipsal 500 on telly this weekend, nice plane. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Wall" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front > Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of > the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and > possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from > a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind. > Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to > get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape > right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and > confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made > way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a military > base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting > countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had > laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to > the Wx, with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the > ground at least. > > regards > > Andrew > > At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote: > >Hi Jane > > > >Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide. About 10mm of > >moderate rain. A short lived gusty period after midnight. I woke to a > >dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu. > > > >We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end of > >that. > > > > > > >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs > > >& small branches falling that gets your attention > > > > > >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few > > >hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind > > >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the > > >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall > > >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently > > >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm > > >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens > > >& pinks!!) > > > > > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this: > > >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am), > > >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH > > >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN > > >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT. > > >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT > > > > > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front. > > > > > >Jane > > > > > >-------------------------------- > > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > >Melbourne Storm Chasers > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > >ASWA - Victoria > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > >- - - - - - - - - - - www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - - - - - > > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.26.98.4] From: "Simon" To: Subject: aus-wx: Here she comes! Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:19:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2001 02:19:33.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[59B75B80:01C0BFD2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Checking out http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR023.loop.shtml There looks like some decent rain on its way. In Tyabb, where I am (SE Victoria - near Mornington on the map) it's very humid and you get "that feeling" like something big is going to happen (it probably won't, but the feeling is definately there). - Simon +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 12:57:29 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live / Mt Nardi Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Keith. Further to Dave Ellem's reply to where Mount Nardi is. It's part of the Nightcap Range and one of the higher peaks in the range 30km N of Lismore and at an elevation of just over 800 metres. Mount Warning the volcanic remnant at 1156 metres is 15km N of Mount Nardi. The ABC and commercial TV transmitters are up the top. A couple of photos taken from my place illustrate. just left of centre is Mount Nardi: http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0515mb01.jpg Mount Nardi is just out of frame to the right, but this shows you the higher peaks of the Border Ranges http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0622mb01.jpg Mount Burrell (933m) in the middle and Mount Nardi to the right http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0802mb03.jpg regards, Michael At 16:38 07/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Michael, >I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties, the >exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers even >though rare. >Keith Dorrell ============================================================= Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ NE NSW Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ============================================================= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 13:11:46 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Here she comes! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Here's a sequence of webcam images taken from the Sandringham yacht club webcam showing the passage of the first front at 11:00am which was dry. http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_08/sycam1.gif Starting to spit here at Clayton with the second front just to the west of Melbourne. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:06:00 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever > seen Deliverance the movie ? No, but I spent an interesting weekend poking around the mountains on the Tennessee-North Carolina border, a fine place for seeing such places and characters, in January. Not that I saw too many of the locals - I hadn't previously thought that it was possible to drive for an hour in the early afternoon anywhere in the eastern United States without seeing another car. (The fact that it was snowing steadily, if lightly, might have had something to do with it). Found out from a taxi driver a couple of days later that the forest there is the alleged current residence of the U.S's most wanted man (with the rumoured complicity of local police, given that he's wanted for blowing up abortion clinics). Might have been a bit more apprehensive about the area had I known that in advance.... Getting back on topic, my choice would be Armidale - plenty of storms, snow every now and again, never exceptionally hot and lots of sunshine in winter. Internationally I'd probably go for Boulder, Colorado - anywhere that can produce, in the space of the week I spent there in September 1993, two days of severe thunderstorms, 10 centimetres of snow, and maxima of 34 and 1 on successive days can never be accused of being boring. (Oklahoma would be terrific for eight months of the year, but I don't think I could handle the summers there). By the way, I assume we're talking about undiscovered communities northeast of Dorrigo, not undiscovered countries :-) Blair > > > > Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the > > northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries. > > They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated > > area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds > in > > the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit > the > > coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of > > the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as > > nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dorrell's" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:06:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Matt, Mt Nardi is north of Lismore in the border ranges, where the TV towers are located for the Northern rivers area. I think the perfect place to live is wherever you are happy! Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pearce" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > Keith, > > Where is Mt Nardi? > > Matt Pearce > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 14:27:01 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Chris, My original plan was to film the Aircraft doing an Air display, which was pathetic this year, last year we had 2 FA-18 Hornets burning up the skies, this year we had only one FA-18 and it's idea of a low fly past was at 500ft, also it must have stuck a sock up it's exhaust pipe, cos it was no where near as loud as we usually hear them. The Dust Devils were just a bit of Icing on the cake, although I think the cake went mouldy. At least I got some footage today from a hidden advantage point :) BTW No Nimrod today :( and yes it's really a beautiful sounding aircraft. regards Andrew PS thankyou for the congrats too :))) At 12:22 PM 4/8/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Andrew, > >First off, congrats to you and Kathy for the new chaser on the way. > >Back to business, the RAAF can sometimes be pretty tight with this rule of >filming a base, I have been escorted away from a couple of bases here in >Vic, but fortunately haven't had any film confiscated. If you speak to the >bases PR officer before you go, you can sometimes get permission to film >certain things. The PR officer might also be able to speed up the return of >the tape, they are usually pretty good people to deal with. The main >problem can be that Edinburgh is a frontline base and as such has tighter >security than say East Sale here in Vic which is just a training base. > >Were you there just to shoot dust devils, or were the visiting international >planes too good to resist? I saw the Nimrod doing fly-bys at the Clipsal >500 on telly this weekend, nice plane. > >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew Wall" >To: >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:18 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front > > > > Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of > > the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and > > possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from > > a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind. > > Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to > > get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape > > right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and > > confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made > > way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a >military > > base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting > > countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had > > laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to > > the Wx, with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the > > ground at least. > > > > regards > > > > Andrew > > > > At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote: > > >Hi Jane > > > > > >Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide. About 10mm of > > >moderate rain. A short lived gusty period after midnight. I woke to a > > >dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu. > > > > > >We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end >of > > >that. > > > > > > > > > >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of >twigs > > > >& small branches falling that gets your attention > > > > > > > >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few > > > >hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind > > > >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the > > > >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall > > > >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently > > > >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm > > > >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens > > > >& pinks!!) > > > > > > > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this: > > > >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am), > > > >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH > > > >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN > > > >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT. > > > >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT > > > > > > > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front. > > > > > > > >Jane > > > > > > > >-------------------------------- > > > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > > >Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > > >ASWA - Victoria > > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > >Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > > >- - - - - - - - - - - www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - - - - - > > > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p125-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.125] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:03:15 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry Blair, What I meant was undiscovered countryside - the unknown. The Bureau does not have on their records anything that happens in the area as there are no spotters. The SES locally will know more of course. Good to know they are finally getting internet in the area - Ulong that is. I don't think Ulong is a problem Michael, I would however say that the region around Tyringham is a little strange. I was quick to get out of that area - Mario can vouch for that. Jimmy Deguara At 02:06 PM 8/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > > > I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever > > seen Deliverance the movie ? > >No, but I spent an interesting weekend poking around the mountains >on the Tennessee-North Carolina border, a fine place for seeing such >places and characters, in January. Not that I saw too many of the >locals - I hadn't previously thought that it was possible to drive >for an hour in the early afternoon anywhere in the eastern United >States without seeing another car. (The fact that it was snowing >steadily, if lightly, might have had something to do with it). > >Found out from a taxi driver a couple of days later that the forest there is >the alleged current residence of the U.S's most wanted man (with >the rumoured complicity of local police, given that he's wanted for >blowing up abortion clinics). Might have been a bit more apprehensive >about the area had I known that in advance.... > >Getting back on topic, my choice would be Armidale - plenty of storms, >snow every now and again, never exceptionally hot and lots of >sunshine in winter. Internationally I'd probably go for Boulder, >Colorado - anywhere that can produce, in the space of the week I spent >there in September 1993, two days of severe thunderstorms, 10 >centimetres of snow, and maxima of 34 and 1 on successive days can >never be accused of being boring. (Oklahoma would be terrific for >eight months of the year, but I don't think I could handle the >summers there). > >By the way, I assume we're talking about undiscovered communities >northeast of Dorrigo, not undiscovered countries :-) > >Blair > > > > > > > Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the > > > northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries. > > > They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated > > > area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds > > in > > > the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit > > the > > > coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of > > > the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as > > > nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area. > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.8.254] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strong Baroclinic development. Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:00:26 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2001 06:00:27.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[3576DE20:01C0BFF1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Re Sose, just looking at the BoM's prognostic chart for tomorrow (9/4) with the north-south orientation of the cyclone and the high on the longitude of New Zealand, does anyone think this has the potential to set up a blocking pair?

>From: "clyve herbert"
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>To:
>Subject: aus-wx: Strong Baroclinic development.
>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:09:31 +1000
>
>Hi all.
>Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in
>response to a developing low south east of Esperance,also a nice cold air
>field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high
>cloud extending from the tropical disturbance over the top end of the NT.At
>the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern
>Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch
>on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into a monster
>and may push to cat 4/5 (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36
>hours if a westward motion is favoured it may sail close to the eastern side
>of Australia, although the major trough over the Bight may influence a more
>south to southeast movement by Sunday.regards Clyve Herbert.
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From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice Gust Front Pan from March 12 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:44:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What sort of software does he use ? Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" ; "wx-chase" Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 9:51 Subject: aus-wx: Nice Gust Front Pan from March 12 > Hi all, > > I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week! And I > scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined > four of the photos to make the pan without any seams! It's certainly > one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!! > > http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.26.98.4] From: "Simon" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Here she comes! Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 13:23:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2001 07:50:51.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[A19E4110:01C0C000] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's been raining quite heavily for the past 20 minutes or so now.... One of those nice Sundays to light the fire on :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Here she comes! > > Here's a sequence of webcam images taken from the Sandringham yacht club > webcam showing the passage of the first front at 11:00am which was dry. > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_08/sycam1.gif > > Starting to spit here at Clayton with the second front just to the west of > Melbourne. > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:23:07 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: Jet flops Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Can someone help me understand why the jet fell apart so dramatically today - it had been strengthening for days & then poof!! - suddenly weak & almost gone... a bit confusing I must admit - the dynamics involved in this have me beat. http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_aus.gif Got 4.7mm today, front got here at 1347, wind swung around to the SW & the temp got down to 11.1C & you could see your breath & now the temps up to 13.4C and the wind's back to the N again????? Thanks, Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sose slides southward Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:25:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi folks
 
Looks like Sose will continue it southwards slide. Most of the various advisories have been fairly consistent on this today.
 
However I note JTWC is now considering a SW deviation around the southern side of New Caledonia. Upper influences look like being Sose's demise, but not after producing an extensive area of gales in tandem with the high to the south.
 
BoM has issued a bulletin for high seas and erosion for SEQ and has even produced a tropical cyclone threat map which is quite unusual for a TC so far out to sea. 
 
 
 
Simon
From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sose slides southward Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:02:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
IDW57Q01
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Queensland Region
Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre 

TROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION BULLETIN
For 4pm EST on Sunday the 8th of April 2001

Late Sunday afternoon, tropical cyclone Sose was located well east of Queensland
centred between New Caledonia and the southern islands of Vanuatu. Sose is
expected to move slowly across New Caledonia during the next two days before
accelerating towards the southeast away from Australia.

However the cyclone has a large circulation and combined with a high pressure
system near New Zealand is producing extensive areas of gales on its southern
side. This is generating very large waves moving towards the Queensland east
coast. Seas are beginning to rise on the exposed sub-tropical coast especially
south from Fraser Island. Seas should continue to increase in height over the
next few days reaching peak height around Wednesday. High evening tides over the
period combined with large waves should cause saltwater inundation and erosion
at known trouble spots.   
 
what do you guys say its going t o move se or move another derection just intrested
 
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 00:23:18 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice Gust Front Pan from March 12 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This gust front photo is fantastic. I drooled over the video captures but this pan photo shot takes the cake. Well done ants, bring the originals to melbourne in 10 days, id love to see them. Matt Smith Michael Thompson wrote: > What sort of software does he use ? > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Cornelius" > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" ; > "wx-chase" > Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 9:51 > Subject: aus-wx: Nice Gust Front Pan from March 12 > > > Hi all, > > > > I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week! And I > > scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined > > four of the photos to make the pan without any seams! It's certainly > > one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!! > > > > http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg > > > > -- > > Anthony Cornelius > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > (07) 3390 4812 > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: aus-wx: Storms SW AND W of sydney POTENTIAL ? Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:40:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com what do you guys say about these storms are they going to develope or are they going to be fizzers what are your opinion? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Small storm To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:00:52 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 09/04/2001 01:00:49 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 12.55pm 09/4. About 30 min ago, small amount of lightning and rain around Bathurst area heading from Oberon area to the East.. Not much lightning on tracker though. Will keep eye on GPATS and see whats brewing up. . Dave Bathurst ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Max King" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Storms Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:58:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hey group,
 
Rune and I are gonna head out and see what We can find.
Any updates appreciated.
My mobile is 0412-208928
 
Max
X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.4] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storms SW AND W of sydney POTENTIAL ? Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:12:33 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2001 03:12:33.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB759340:01C0C0A2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Storms have started developing after 1130am over the ranges, in a nice line running nw/se. A large one to my nw (prob just west of Colo Heights) has just sent off 2 overshooting tops and looks very nice, should be some STA's out soon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Storms!! Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:49:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Matt Smith is out chasing and he has good reason to be.
 
At 12:45 there is a veritable wall of storms accross my western horizon looking from Cranebrook over the Blue Mountains.  These have beautiful crisp updrafts, with thick anvils, and very strong flanking regions.
 
 The closest two cells have burst out of the orginal devlopment, pushing much higher and anviling out. There are also numerous overshoots in these cells too!
 
Nice development towards Bowral and a massive isolated storm north of Richmond.
 
Winds have picked up here and are gusting out of the ENE. Dp has risen rom 14 at 11pm to 20.7 now! Temp is around the 28 degree mark.
 
As they say in the classics
 
BRING IT ON!!!!
 
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Daniel Weatherhead
Blaxland, NSW
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From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Sydney Storms!! Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:01:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hey guys,
 
It's been a long time since I've seen skies like these. A nice heavy looking anvil spreading across the Illawarra from the SW showing some mammatus on the underside. Due to my lack of eyes (ie no net access), what else is happening to the south of Wollongong? From past experience, if Bowral is starting to boom then we usually end up with something along the escarpment. I'd appreciate any updates prior to work end time of 3:30.
 
Bring it on for one last hoorah this season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Andrew Godsman
-----Original Message-----
From: dann weatherhead [mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:49 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Storms!!

Matt Smith is out chasing and he has good reason to be.
 
At 12:45 there is a veritable wall of storms accross my western horizon looking from Cranebrook over the Blue Mountains.  These have beautiful crisp updrafts, with thick anvils, and very strong flanking regions.
 
 The closest two cells have burst out of the orginal devlopment, pushing much higher and anviling out. There are also numerous overshoots in these cells too!
 
Nice development towards Bowral and a massive isolated storm north of Richmond.
 
Winds have picked up here and are gusting out of the ENE. Dp has risen rom 14 at 11pm to 20.7 now! Temp is around the 28 degree mark.
 
As they say in the classics
 
BRING IT ON!!!!
 
__________________________
Daniel Weatherhead
Blaxland, NSW
weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
www.sydneystormchasers.com
From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: NSW STA To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:05:00 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 09/04/2001 02:04:58 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDW10N00 TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1356 on Monday the 9th of April 2001 This warning affects people in the following Local Government Areas: Blue Mountains, Wollondilly, Wingecarribee. This warning is current from 1:55 until 2:55pm. Storms are currently located near Bargo and on the Blue Mountains and are forecast to move slowly towards the east . Large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall are possible. ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Radar Loops - Storms. 09/4. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:15:00 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 09/04/2001 02:14:56 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all.. Anyone who would like saved images of radar .. please email me at this address. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. 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This warning also affects people in the Wollondilly Local Government Area. This warning is current until 4:00 pm. A large thunderstorm is currently located near Picton and is forecast to move towards the northeast to reach the Camden and Campbelltown areas between 3 and 3:30 pm. ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. 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Regards, Antz -----Original Message----- From: "aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com" on behalf of "davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:15 AM To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Radar Loops - Storms. 09/4. Hi all.. Anyone who would like saved images of radar .. please email me at this address. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. 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Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email address list. Please be careful. Rgds, Paul. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: hail in Richmond, NSW Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:59:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 3:30pm Richmond, NSW Max and Rune are out to my NW at Richmond, they have steady hail falling that is measuring approx 3cm in diameter. Incidentally, STW in effect now for Richmond, Glenorie and Wisemans Ferry, valid until 4:30pm. Malcolm Ninnes Unix Systems Admin National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd Ph. (02) 9722-1862 ninnesm at franklins.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:31:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software never lets it do any harm. Still, its annoying. Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Salas" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus > At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote: > >Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last 2 > >days. > > > >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email > >address list. > > I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings to > the list about it. > It is being sent privately, not to the list. > Miguel de Salas > Ph: 03 6226 2624 > Fax: 03 62262693 > > School of Plant Science > University of Tasmania > GPO Box 252-55 > Hobart > TAS 7001 > Australia > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:35:45 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: richmond storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A good day today. Almost shot down south to the large storm firing down towards Bowral but decided to go for the one on the ranges just NW of Penrith. Caught up to it as it moved over the Richmond area. Rain was torrential with flooding all over the place, a few cm of water over main roads in the area made fun driving. I had to pull over numerous times because of the extremely heavy rain. There was hail mixed in with the rain, only small, max size 1cm plenty around 1/2 a cm, most of it melting very fast because of the water lying all over the place. The hail lasted from my drive from Richmond to Windsor, going past the air force base. Plenty of CG's made it worth while, including a nice clear air CG. The storm reminded me very much of a similar storm late last year that hit the same area, with plenty of CG lightning and torrential rain. Anyway, enough from me. Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "DroughtMaster" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:44:01 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 never had it yet from this list or any other come to think of it - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Weather station Website... http://members.tripod.com/~gomaz/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus > I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software > never lets it do any harm. Still, its annoying. > > > Lindsay Pearce > Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW > Email: violin at lisp.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Salas" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus > > > > At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote: > > >Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in > > >the last > 2 > > >days. > > > > > >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the > > >email address list. > > > > I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous > > postings to the list about it. > > It is being sent privately, not to the list. > > Miguel de Salas > > Ph: 03 6226 2624 > > Fax: 03 62262693 > > > > School of Plant Science > > University of Tasmania > > GPO Box 252-55 > > Hobart > > TAS 7001 > > Australia > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > +-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of your > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------- > > ----- > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of your > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au--------------------------- > --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOtFoMvUW9hwUaOQLEQJCLwCfTl/Jyf+NtSsl4CS0c5jgTufEsV4Anj/s XKea3HeAgalMHB98C5eL+HRu =Hohe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.4] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: mini chase Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:45:18 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2001 07:45:18.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[05D1F820:01C0C0C9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Max and I headed out to Richmond at 130pm, it was very photogenic at this stage with the massive storm to the sw (Appin), a large storm west of Penrith and TCU shooting up straight overhead, at Agnes Banks waited for a cell to come off the mountains, CG rate at one every 5 seconds, with a green base and hail curtain. There was visible rotation numerous times, and very gusty inflow winds. Deciding to stick with this storm (hearing of the massiveness of the one to the SW) proved worthwhile with sustained 20 minutes of hail as we headed with the storm back through Richmond, the largest which was close to 3cm. (mostly pea size with scattered 2cm stones). Also a lot of video camera shy flangs just either side of us while we were on the road, very nice day :)... thanx for all those updates, dean, mal and mario. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Storms!! Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:50:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
You probably already know the answer, the tail end storms were the Bowral ones, there was bugger all south of that. We had some steady rain after 4pm from old decaying anvil. The skies to the south were clear, I doubt any much rain fell south of Kiama.
 
The dying storms 1-2mm of rain did one thing, they stopped a long dry spell in the southern Illawarra. Today would have been entering the 4th week without rain in the southern Illawarra, an event as rare as 100mm plus days.
 
Michael 
It's been a long time since I've seen skies like these. A nice heavy looking anvil spreading across the Illawarra from the SW showing some mammatus on the underside. Due to my lack of eyes (ie no net access), what else is happening to the south of Wollongong? From past experience, if Bowral is starting to boom then we usually end up with something along the escarpment. I'd appreciate any updates prior to work end time of 3:30.
 
Bring it on for one last hoorah this season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 09 Apr 01 20:57:40 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello DroughtMaster! 09 Apr 01 15:44, you wrote to All: D> never had it yet from this list or any other come to think of it It's everywhere, just bouncing around the net these days. Tony, VK3JED .. ne - Please enter password: _ -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:42:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com three times, is that all. I get up to several a day and lately even in different languages. I have written an E Mail rule to dump any E Mails with Hahaha or snowhite, along with E Mails with money and $ in the titles. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 16:33 Subject: aus-wx: hahaha Virus > Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last 2 > days. > > Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email > address list. > > Please be careful. > > Rgds, Paul. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:01:53 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather Forum...... Very interesting stuff!!!! Worth sharing I thought - so I did. --------------------------------------------- I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres] dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and -2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for 1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively. The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by 5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc. Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of 8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the 5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2! What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5 kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above 1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable one. What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm' temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off. One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2 temperatures which could add to the other information available. Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp based on the thickess' are: Tuesday 4 5555 7.75 Wednesday 6 5535 6.75 Thursday -2 5520 6.0 Friday 6 5580 9.0 Saturday 8 5600 10.0 Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will remain overcast and COLD. Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the year: Sydney 9.4 5588 Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566 Hobart 4.9 5502 Melbourne 7.1 5545 Brisbane 11.5 5643 Adelaide 8.7 5579 Perth 11.0 5619 Alice Springs 14.7 5684 Darwin 17.8 5770 -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:13:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather the Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 22:01 Subject: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info > ..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather > Forum...... > > Very interesting stuff!!!! Worth sharing I thought - so I did. > > --------------------------------------------- > I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are > interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has > the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday > it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres] > dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and > -2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for > 1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively. > > The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by > 5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a > thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc. > Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for > later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa > temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the > Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of > 8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the > 5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2! > > What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very > cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5 > kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's > it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above > 1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable > one. > > What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be > short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the > surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since > there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm' > temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient > moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast > day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid > and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off. > > One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2 > temperatures which could add to the other information available. > Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for > the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp > based on the thickess' are: > > Tuesday 4 5555 7.75 > Wednesday 6 5535 6.75 > Thursday -2 5520 6.0 > Friday 6 5580 9.0 > Saturday 8 5600 10.0 > > Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from > Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is > correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week > since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will > remain overcast and COLD. > > Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures > and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the > year: > > Sydney 9.4 5588 > Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566 > Hobart 4.9 5502 > Melbourne 7.1 5545 > Brisbane 11.5 5643 > Adelaide 8.7 5579 > Perth 11.0 5619 > Alice Springs 14.7 5684 > Darwin 17.8 5770 > > > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: SOSE,and other stuff. Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:29:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2001 12:29:08.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC6D9280:01C0C0F0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. SOSE looks interesting tonight especially if you want to see how a cyclone goes puff!.The upper cloud shield has all but been blown off leaving a very large apparent eye one of the largest I have seen or at least a near clear central locality.Also some nice high lee cirrus extending from the eastern North Is of NZ along the east coast of the South Is looks rather spectacular,another area of interest is the remnants of TC Walter getting into the central and southwest of WA, meanwhile Victoria and SA can enjoy the continued spell of anticyclonic control now almost into its 5th year, give or take a few lows.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:33:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2001 12:33:20.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[42A86F40:01C0C0F1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael. Maybe you could go up to Robertson and experience some supercooled drizzle!, although the model prediction looks a little to far fetched to me, what seems better is all that cold air getting into the warm Tasman Sea that should be interesting. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info > To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather the > Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: "Aussie-wx" > Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 22:01 > Subject: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info > > > > ..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather > > Forum...... > > > > Very interesting stuff!!!! Worth sharing I thought - so I did. > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are > > interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has > > the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday > > it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres] > > dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and > > -2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for > > 1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively. > > > > The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by > > 5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a > > thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc. > > Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for > > later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa > > temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the > > Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of > > 8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the > > 5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2! > > > > What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very > > cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5 > > kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's > > it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above > > 1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable > > one. > > > > What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be > > short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the > > surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since > > there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm' > > temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient > > moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast > > day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid > > and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off. > > > > One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2 > > temperatures which could add to the other information available. > > Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for > > the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp > > based on the thickess' are: > > > > Tuesday 4 5555 7.75 > > Wednesday 6 5535 6.75 > > Thursday -2 5520 6.0 > > Friday 6 5580 9.0 > > Saturday 8 5600 10.0 > > > > Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from > > Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is > > correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week > > since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will > > remain overcast and COLD. > > > > Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures > > and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the > > year: > > > > Sydney 9.4 5588 > > Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566 > > Hobart 4.9 5502 > > Melbourne 7.1 5545 > > Brisbane 11.5 5643 > > Adelaide 8.7 5579 > > Perth 11.0 5619 > > Alice Springs 14.7 5684 > > Darwin 17.8 5770 > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:59:59 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!! Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago. Our backyard is like a river!! Matt Smith BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney Metropolitan area. Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area this morning. Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from Observatory Hill. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx:Jupiter, The Perfect Place to Live Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:01:48 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com cool. Learn something new every day ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Wall" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx:Jupiter, The Perfect Place to Live > > Hi all, for those that either disagree or don't know check this page out, > shows the image of Lightning on Jupiter from the Galileo Spacecraft which > is orbiting Jupier now. > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971216.html > > Andrew... > > > At 09:29 AM 4/6/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi Lyle, > > > >As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The > >reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the > >temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may > >well cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another... > > > >Cheers, > >Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > >>From: "Lyle Pakula" > >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >>To: > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > >>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600 > >> > >>Hey andrew, > >> > >>i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i > >>don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail. > >> > >>cheers, lyle > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Andrew Wall" > >>To: > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:37 AM > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > >> > >> > >> > Hi ppls, > >> > > >> > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all > >> > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing > >> > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and > >> > the winds, well lets just leave it at that. > >> > > >> > PS > >> > > >>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc........................................ .. > >>... > >> > > >> > regards > >> > > >> > Andrew > >> > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> > message. > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > > >> > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:48:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooo! This is awesome!!! Exactly the same here...torrential rain woke me up about 2 hours ago...now I am still listening to it teeming down outside with the odd rumble thrown in for good measure :) Updated Severe Weather Warning is as follows: SEVERE WEATHER WARNING BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 0517 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney Metropolitan area. Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area this morning. Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from Observatory Hill. The radar shows that the heaviest rain is currently located between French's Forest and Terrey Hills. With a Sydney metro forecast calling for heavy rain with flooding in the east all day...just where I will be!!!!!!!!!! There has got to be some kind of upper convergence feature or something...I haven't looked at anything yet though...will try and work it out tonight...In the meantime BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Matt Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:59 AM Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney > > It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!! > > Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago. > > Our backyard is like a river!! > Matt Smith > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 > > This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney > Metropolitan area. > > Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area > this > morning. > > Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from > Observatory Hill. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Co." To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:20:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Matt, The radar showed a line of storms extending from Sydney offshore. Take a look at the MESOLAPS precip forecast. It started with a bulls-eye over Sydney last night and has it increasing today and tomorrow in more or less the same area...I think tomorrow will be very interesting with the approaching upper trough.. Paul G. ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Pearce To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:48 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney > Wooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooo! > > This is awesome!!! > > Exactly the same here...torrential rain woke me up about 2 hours ago...now I > am still listening to it teeming down outside with the odd rumble thrown in > for good measure :) > > Updated Severe Weather Warning is as follows: > > SEVERE WEATHER WARNING > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > Issued at 0517 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 > > This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney > Metropolitan area. > > Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area this > morning. > > Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from > Observatory Hill. > > The radar shows that the heaviest rain is currently located between > French's Forest and Terrey Hills. > > With a Sydney metro forecast calling for heavy rain with flooding in the > east all day...just where I will be!!!!!!!!!! > > There has got to be some kind of upper convergence feature or something...I > haven't looked at anything yet though...will try and work it out > tonight...In the meantime > > BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Matt Pearce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Smith" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:59 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney > > > > > > It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!! > > > > Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago. > > > > Our backyard is like a river!! > > Matt Smith > > > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > > Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 > > > > This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney > > Metropolitan area. > > > > Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area > > this > > morning. > > > > Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from > > Observatory Hill. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:02:09 +1000 From: Paul Lesiow X-Mailer: Mail Warrior 2 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com CC: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Severe Weather Warning For Sydney X-Mailer-Version: v2.11 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'Day, Just had a torrential downpour here, now that the storm has progressed a little further I can hear quite a lot of thunder (once every 30 secs or so). IDW10N15 TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE WEATHER WARNING BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 0613 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 This warning affects people in the following Local Government Areas: Gosford, Wyong. The previous warning for the Metropolitan area is now cancelled. Very heavy rainfall and possible local flooding is expected in the warning area in the next hour. Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from Observatory Hill. The radar shows the heaviesat rain is now just north of Brooklyn and is moving slowly northwards. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:20:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep, portions of our microwave network links across the city dropped out (or had their performance severely degraded) between 4 and 5am. Wonder what tomorrow will be like? :) Malcolm Ninnes Unix Systems Admin National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd Ph. (02) 9722-1862 ninnesm at franklins.com.au > ---------- > From: Matt Smith[SMTP:tornado at bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 3:59 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney > > > It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!! > > Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago. > > Our backyard is like a river!! > Matt Smith > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 > > This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney > Metropolitan area. > > Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area > this > morning. > > Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from > Observatory Hill. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: "Aussie Weather List" Subject: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:37:45 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list; http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy Cheers, Lyle | - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - | | Graduate Research Assistant /\ . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ . Colorado State University / \/ \ ph: +1-(970)-491-7785 / /~~~~~~\/\ . email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu /~~/ / \ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:11:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com TELL ME ABOUT IT :) i woke up at 4 am and it was PIS*ING DOWN :) and windy YAY :) and a few flashes and bang now and then :) but i fell asleep :( ah well was fun while i was awake :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:59 AM Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney > > It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!! > > Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago. > > Our backyard is like a river!! > Matt Smith > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 > > This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney > Metropolitan area. > > Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area > this > morning. > > Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from > Observatory Hill. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean Sgarbossa" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:09:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Lyle, That is absolutely amazing photo. I can't believe it. What is the chances of that occuring. Talk about being in the right place at the right time! It is so remarkably photogenic. I have to say this is one of the best photos I have ever seen in my life! Thanks. Deano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Pakula" To: "Aussie Weather List" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: aus-wx: Remarkable photo > Hi, > > this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list; > > http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm > > The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy > > Cheers, Lyle > > | > - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - > | > | Graduate Research Assistant /\ > . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ > . Colorado State University / \/ \ > ph: +1-(970)-491-7785 / /~~~~~~\/\ > . email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu /~~/ / \ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Storms!! Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:54:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, A nasty hail storm hit us on the Darling Causeway (near Mt Victoria) at around 2:20pm.Hail was intense for around 20 minutes with 1.5 to 2.5cm size hail. A car ahead of us lost control and crashed into the roadside gully. Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:18:10 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Careful Michael - people won't read your emails soon for fear of being depressed :-) AC Michael Thompson wrote: > > To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather the > Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom. > > Michael > -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne tomorrow Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:41:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, Sometimes you hear interesting things on the radio.... On the regular spot for the BoM senior forecaster (3LO) at 2.05pm, one normally very conservative senior forecaster was becoming very excited about an approaching cold front for Thursday. Almost hopping from foot to foot, he said..."there's a very active cold front due tomorrow in Melbourne, we have gale warnings out, sheep warnings out, and if I can think of any more warnings I'll throw them in there too. Expect hail & thunder, a very substantial drop in temperature, snow on the Highlands & even a bit on the Dandenongs is possible." ....... all of us weather watchers can't wait for it to come true - have I missed something??. .....a still giggling Jane on an anticyclonic Melbourne afternoon.... --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- If you got this twice & the other one was full of garbage, I apologise - I hit the send button, just a bit faster than the brain was moving..... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne tomorrow Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:07:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > On the regular spot for the BoM senior forecaster (3LO) at 2.05pm, one > normally very conservative senior forecaster was becoming very excited about > an approaching cold front for Thursday. Almost hopping from foot to foot, > he said..."there's a very active cold front due tomorrow in Melbourne, we > have gale warnings out, sheep warnings out, and if I can think of any more > warnings I'll throw them in there too. Expect hail & thunder, a very > substantial drop in temperature, snow on the Highlands & even a bit on the > Dandenongs is possible." > > ....... all of us weather watchers can't wait for it to come true - have I > missed something??. ARGH!!! Here I am, sitting at home trying to beat the flu before Easter, and we start getting the really cold weather!! BOM say: Wednesday: Early inland fog and frost. Showers with local hail and thunder extending across southern districts. Snow in the Alpine region. Strengthening wind. Becoming cold. Thursday: Showers in south, mostly clearing from the west. Cool southwest to south wind easing. > .....a still giggling Jane on an anticyclonic Melbourne afternoon.... .... a still coughing and spluttering Pauly inside and about to hit the pills again. -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:30:00 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com man that is bullshit!!! how can someone be so lucky to come across that!:( extremely jealous:) can anyone speak italian??? At 04:37 PM 9/04/01 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, > >this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list; > >http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm > >The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy > >Cheers, Lyle > > | > - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - > | > | Graduate Research Assistant /\ > . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ > . Colorado State University / \/ \ > ph: +1-(970)-491-7785 / /~~~~~~\/\ > . email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu /~~/ / \ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > Steve Baynham http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.simplenet.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mm_de/postoffice.utas.edu.au at pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.0.12 (Beta) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:01:20 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Miguel de Salas Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote: >Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last 2 >days. > >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email >address list. I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings to the list about it. It is being sent privately, not to the list. Miguel de Salas Ph: 03 6226 2624 Fax: 03 62262693 School of Plant Science University of Tasmania GPO Box 252-55 Hobart TAS 7001 Australia +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.192.97] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne tomorrow Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:24:07 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 06:54:07.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[09AF1D20:01C0C18B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com You have missed a lot and so has BOM!!!!!! Even though I'm from SA and this front will probably have a minor impact here I have been keeping my eye on this front for about a week now. NOGAPS forecast picked up this very strong cold front development about a week ago!!!! Interesting that??? But BOM didn't pick it up until the beginning of the week and only today are they making a big deal about it. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:04:18 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I get it several times per week. About a third of them originate here in Hong Kong, but the rest originate in Australia. As this list is responsible for 99% of my e-mail from Australia, I assume that the hahaha originates from someone on the list. However, it is almost impossible to trace as the virus puts its own fake username and server at the head and when digging amongst the hidden headers one can only see the very last router in the chain before it arrives at my mail-server. The routers are a plethora of ...com.au or ...net.au names and probably do not point to where the virus originated. I mostly don't even check any more - too boring - just delete 'em. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:31:43 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus > I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software never > lets > it do any harm. Still, its annoying. > > > Lindsay Pearce > Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW > Email: violin at lisp.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Salas" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus > > > > At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote: > > >Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the > last > 2 > > >days. > > > > > >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the > email > > >address list. > > > > I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings > to > > the list about it. > > It is being sent privately, not to the list. > > Miguel de Salas > > Ph: 03 6226 2624 > > Fax: 03 62262693 > > > > School of Plant Science > > University of Tasmania > > GPO Box 252-55 > > Hobart > > TAS 7001 > > Australia > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Re: Les Lemon Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:08:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, To all of the ASWA members on the aussie-wx list (who received the mass email from me earlier today) - I'll pass your thanks onto Les Lemon. To any non-ASWA member who is curious about all this, email me at the address below & I'll fill you in on the details - you might even decide to become an ASWA member!! Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:05:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Luke That is a very special photo (at first I suspected a fake). I have a picture in a book of three waterspouts all at once, but never seen a picture with four ! Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Pakula" To: "Aussie Weather List" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: aus-wx: Remarkable photo > Hi, > > this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list; > > http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm > > The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy > > Cheers, Lyle > > | > - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - > | > | Graduate Research Assistant /\ > . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ > . Colorado State University / \/ \ > ph: +1-(970)-491-7785 / /~~~~~~\/\ > . email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu /~~/ / \ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:08:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Lyle They aren't waterspouts are they ? On an extra look they look tornados. That makes the picture even more remarkable. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Pakula" To: "Aussie Weather List" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: aus-wx: Remarkable photo > Hi, > > this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list; > > http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm > > The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy > > Cheers, Lyle > > | > - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - > | > | Graduate Research Assistant /\ > . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ > . Colorado State University / \/ \ > ph: +1-(970)-491-7785 / /~~~~~~\/\ > . email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu /~~/ / \ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:49:59 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, Leslie Lemon Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com To translate this page, goto http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn and copy the URL below into the part where it says 'Website Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.' You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called 'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic' > http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:07:25 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm interested in the last line of the caption of the photo. Relying on my dodgy Italian from way back in high school, the line: "Questa e una sequenza di 4 dei 10 tifoni in cui siamo passati." seems to translate as: "This is a sequence of 4 of 10 typhoons in (something, something) past." Here, typhoon is the direct translation of tifoni, but no doubt it's referring to the waterspouts Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo - so they are waterspouts ? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:20:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Jane for the translation - they are waterspouts after all ! It is a bit hard to tell from the photo whether it is land or sea. I thought sea at first (as multiple vortices are more common over water), but then on second viewing I thought that the base of the photo looked like land. Can you imagine if these were tornadoes over land - "hell's bells!!!!" Nonetheless, one of the best photos I have ever seen. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: ; "Leslie Lemon" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo > To translate this page, goto http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn and > copy the URL below into the part where it says > > 'Website Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.' > You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called > 'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic' > > > http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:11:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com TELL ME ABOUT IT :-( i woke up at 4am and it was STRATO CU heaven and dry. A few dogs barking and a car now an then. Not a single mm here in the southern Illawarra We need something from the E /NE, we never do much with S/SE moving stuff. Michael > TELL ME ABOUT IT :) i woke up at 4 am and it was PIS*ING DOWN :) and > windy YAY :) and a few flashes and bang now and then :) but i fell asleep > :( ah well was fun while i was awake :) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:05:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 13:05:49.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6F4A8B0:01C0C1BE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. I have to agree a very interesting Photo, although before we all get excited I wish I could see a couple more taken on that day.The only problem I have is that there does not seem to be a balance in the rotation with spin ups like this I would expect to see alternating cyclonic and anticyclonic rotation this does not seem to be occurring here so I am a little suspicious! of the origins of this photo!!.However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic rotation! regards Clyve Herbert.(try before you buy!!!)----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: ; Leslie Lemon Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo > To translate this page, goto http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn and > copy the URL below into the part where it says > > 'Website Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.' > You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called > 'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic' > > > http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: 2 lightning days in a row for Sydney Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:17:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Well, its on again!
 
For the 2nd night in a row there is visible lightning from Sydney. An area of storms has moved southwestwards towards the North Shore of Sydney for the last couple of hours. There is clearly visible lightning to the east from St Ives...it must look beautiful down on the coast. I don't think these storms will come ashore but they are giving a nice lightning show to the northeastern suburbs for those that are out watching.
 
The next couple of days look extremely interesting for southeastern Australia...keep a close eye on it...
 
Matt Pearce
From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: BoM Radar image samples, but national radar composites still suppressed Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:21:26 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id KAA14416 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's worth visiting the Bureau's new demonstration radar page at http://www.bom.gov.au/nmoc/archives/Radar/samples/index.shtml and seeing what's available, if you have the money. Some high detail animations and vertical cross-sections of the 14/4/99 Sydney hailstorm, and some nice 3-d images of a heavy rain event in Melbourne. Also a classic cyclone sequence of Rosita swiping Broome in April last year, and some intriguing doppler images, too. I'm surprised at how coy the Bureau is about releasing its national composite images. They get a mention on the page, but no link. I've put a sample at http://www.australianweathernews.com/news/2001/04/media/IDR00000_200101021200.gif, and as you can see, they've been routinely available since at least the beginning of the year. Rumour has it that the Bureau plans to charge for them, which is a pity as they make a great index for where the weather is happening at any moment. -- Laurier Williams Australian Weather News & Links http://www.australianweathernews.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: "Aussie Weather Mail List" , "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Re Adriatic Sea Spouts Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:27:06 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Howdy everyone - those wishing an interpretation for that webpage with THAT pick - read below. Rgds, Paul. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:I.Shepherd at BoM.GOV.AU] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:56 PM To: Paul Mossman Subject: Re: Howdy Hi Paul, I hope your visit to the airport office has been arranged satisfactorily. At 09:22 10/04/2001 +0930, you wrote: >Just a quick note - I suspect the 748mm at Jervios is an error? (Maybe >sprinkler too close to gauge?) I spoke to the Regional Observations Manager - he said that the Jervois AWS is faulty and has been sending spurious data. The faulty sensor will be turned off, however, in the meantime, any erroneous data should be corrected by the duty Technical Officer in the Darwin Regional Office. I was told that the 68 mm listed next to Jervois in today's 7-day rainlist is incorrect - but I can't see any reference to 748 mm - where did you see this figure? Was it listed on the web somewhere, or on the ASWA registered user page? Please let me know. >Also have a look at this awesome pic at >http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm >It is amazing! I agree it is amazing, I was wondering what we are seeing in the picture - so I asked a friend who knows Spanish to assist in translating. From a simple Italian-English dictionary we came up with the following: "Spectacular marine funnels over the Adriatic (Sea). Photo of 'tornadoes' observed in August 1999 along the Albanian coast taken from the Greece-Italy ferry. These are 4 in a sequence of 10 tornadoes which passed. Technical data - Zeiss camera, Fuji 120 mm film". There are more pix if you go to their home page. Thanks for sending the link, regards, Ian. >Rgds, Paul. Ian Shepherd, Senior Meteorologist, Severe Weather Section Northern Territory Regional Office Bureau of Meteorology PO Box 40050, Casuarina, N.T. 0811, AUSTRALIA Ph: 08 8920 3821 Fax: 08 8920 3840 e-mail: I.Shepherd at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:48:46 +1000 To: Aussie Weather List From: Carl Smith Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Storm in HK Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. Phil sent this to me this morning and suggested I forward it - better late than never. Carl. >I think I am going to be busy today... vast numbers of telephone exchanges >are out and I cannot contact any of our 7 servers. Dunno if the firewall is >down, DSL is down, or if our whole server room got blown to smithereens by >lightning. Will find out when I arrive at 07:20. (Our main server room is >in a tin shack built on the roof of the tallest building in the district - >our school.) >It became so dark around 15:30 that all the street lights came on (forecast >to be sunny!). By 16:00 there were many rumbles of thunder. Wendy and I >drove to Hong Kong Island and after driving under the sea came up out of the >tunnel into a "wall of water" of torrential rain at about 16:35. >We parked the car and went for a pie at the coffee shop. We did some >paperwork there and came out at about 17:20 to find the sky lit up as though >by a giant arc welder and constant, incessant, deafening booming of thunder. >The wind was bursting at typhoon force from one direction after another - >intense gusts followed by dead calm - how our brollies survived the walk >back to the car I don't know. While sitting in the car in the parking spot >under the freeway there came an intense shrieking roar like a thousand >express trains which I presume was wind-related and wondered if I was >hearing a tornado as this was the description Grandpa gave of the sound when >the tornado struck and demolished our house when I was a baby. The car was >rocking wildly and the windscreen wipers could not clear the water from the >windscreen - and this was under the centre of a six-lane elevated >expressway - so I didn't bother starting the car and waited until it >passed. That rain was coming through at least 10 metres of covered area >from the edge of the overhead expressway to where our car was parked. This >meant that it was falling at more than 45 degrees from the vertical. It >only lasted like that for around a minute. >At 17:45 the sky suddenly became very bright but still cloudy as the storm >rolled away, but we were still getting many flashes with less than a second >until the thunder only the flashes slowed right down from more than one a >second to only one a minute. By 18:00 there were only occasional flashes >and the thunder had become much more distant. We were at a meeting from >18:00 until 20:00 and came out to find it still overcast but no sign of the >storm. >Check our WXHK Forum thread: "Unexpected Hail Reported in Hong Kong" for >radar image clues as to what might have happened. >http://www.weather.org.hk/discus/messages/1/2713.html?TuesdayApril1020011252 >am >I won't be able to get onto aus-wx list until our mail system is back on the >air. You might like to clip out the section about the storm and post it. > >Phil ><>< >Phil Smith >Director >Doctor Disk Limited >Unit B, 4th Floor, Imperial Heights >Belair Gardens, Shatin, NT >HONG KONG S.A.R. >People's Republic of China >Phone +852 2646 4672 >Fax +852 2637 4006 >Internet e-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk >Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk >Typhoon Information: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne "tomorrow" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:42:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:24:07 +0930 >From: "S G" >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne tomorrow > >You have missed a lot and so has BOM!!!!!! Even though I'm from SA and >this front will probably have a minor impact here I have been keeping my eye >on this front for about a week now. NOGAPS forecast picked up this very >strong cold front development about a week ago!!!! Interesting that??? But >BOM didn't pick it up until the beginning of the week and only today are >they making a big deal about it. Come on S+G, the NOGAPS model is one of numerous models used in BOM and elsewhere, so of course people have been aware of a front due through Victoria on Wednesday. However, it was not until yesterdays 00Z LAPS run that it really started to look "interesting". If you go back 2-3 days, the model consensus was for a quite anticyclonic change with lowest thickness values through Melbourne for GASP of ~544gpdm, ECMWF ~546gpdm, and US ~544gpdm (UKMO and JMA model, from memory also had ~544gpdm). An appropriate forecast for such a change was exactly as given by the BOM - something like "scattered showers in the south". The thickness values would be expected to give a little snow, but only at high elevations ~1500m+. Jane ONeill's email the other day pointed to exactly this kinda of scenario. This all really changed with yesterdays LAPS which showed a very sharp cold pool with central value ~534gpdm, and a marked zone of strongly cyclonic curvature associated with the frontal passage. Hence, and with ample warning, the forecast has been upgraded. I suspect the shift towards a stronger front is linked to the failure of TC SOSE to move as far east as was originally expected by most models. To tell the truth.. I am not getting too excited about this system, as what cold air there is will only be around for a very short period, with the coldest air passing well too our south - bummer (though I hope I am wrong). With a large high firmly planted over Victoria by tomorrow night, and rather high thickness values, it looks like a 12 hour interruption to Melbourne's 5 years of anticyclonic dominance. Regards, DJ Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.61.49.89] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Cold Air Pool Over Western Vic Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:12:01 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2001 02:12:02.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBD223B0:01C0C22C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Howdy All Yup the CF went through here this morning at about 7am, not a heck of a lot of rain with the change, very cold and squally W to SW wind switching more S as the day gets older, Showers zooming through with rather quick downpours, no "Cold Air Cells" yet but they could be here later this avo cheers Les Baxter in Ballarat _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: njsykes at yahoo.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:32:40 +0700 To: aussie-weather at world.com Subject: aus-wx: cold air cb's... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com cold air cb's to S, very low topped, wind gusty 80km,location SE Melb, updates 0419113812, nick sykes +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: storms Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:20:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What you are seeing is a not uncommon local affect of Mount Saddleback, just SW of Kiama. This mountain's shape and proximity to the ocean is perfect for lifting any SW to S wind. There is a significant shear from the W/SW above about 1500m ( at a guess ) and the cumulus generated from the Saddleback lift is heading NE back out to sea. There is some red offshore Wollongong and my guess hail may be involved, but not for the land this time. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 18:38 Subject: aus-wx: storms > > Storms have just popped up out to sea off Sydney, lightning is fairly > frequent at a strike every 10-20 seconds or so > > Pink on local loop now developing off Kiama roughly !!!!!! > > I hope we get a lightning show, i havent seen a good one all summer. > > Matt Smith > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.134.32.203] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: De Ja Vu ? Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:02:48 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2001 11:02:48.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1C430F0:01C0C276] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com * Wednesday night * Mid April * Overnight shower forecast * Storms off the coast (red on radar) * Now red over La Perouse SE Sydney Been here before?... nah, doesnt look anywhere as good, but still a nice little light show from here, we'll see though :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:19:24 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: ALMOST OFFTOPIC: Meteorata - chaser philosophy Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's that time of year again....... (courtesy of I have no idea who, but I think it's an American) I just couldn't resist passing it along (especially for those of us old enough to remember the original Desiderata!! - and Anthony) **Meteorata** Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all chasers. Chart your outlook quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the NWS and NSSL for they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive forecasters, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become bitter and vain, for always there will be greater and lessor chasers than yourself. Enjoy your successes as well as your busts. Keep interested in your hobby, however frustrating; it is a real possession in the changing winds of time. Exercise caution in your chasing purchases; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what goodies there are; many persons strive for technical wizardry; and everywhere life is full of Faidleys. Be yourself. Especially, do not hate nature. Neither be cynical about the weather; for in the face of all busts and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and chasing alone. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the weather, no less than the wind and the rain; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the weather is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with Mother Nature, whatever you conceive Her to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of El Niño, keep peace with your soul. With all its busts, gust fronts, and broken forecasts, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. and if you're into philisophy a little bit and would like to read the origianl "Desiderata' which was written in 1927, then go here.... http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/desidera.html Enjoy! -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.225] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo - so they are waterspouts ? Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:11:52 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2001 13:11:52.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9A16A60:01C0C288] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, Cynical me...looks Photoshopped to me...hope I'm wrong! Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: "Simon Clarke" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo - so they are waterspouts ? >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:20:02 +1000 > >Thanks Jane for the translation - they are waterspouts after all ! > >It is a bit hard to tell from the photo whether it is land or sea. I >thought >sea at first (as multiple vortices are more common over water), but then on >second viewing I thought that the base of the photo looked like land. > >Can you imagine if these were tornadoes over land - "hell's bells!!!!" > >Nonetheless, one of the best photos I have ever seen. > >Simon > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jane ONeill" >To: ; "Leslie Lemon" >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:49 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo > > > > To translate this page, goto >http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn >and > > copy the URL below into the part where it says > > > > 'Website Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.' > > You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called > > 'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic' > > > > > http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Apparently-From: From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: aus-wx: SMS Service Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:38:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey people I have discovered what i belief to be the best free sms service on the web. you can operate the service from a downloaded program, a web interface or mobile. 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Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Paul Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Bushwalk To: weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/X-Apparently-To: stormtwist at yahoo.com via web12508.mail.yahoo.com Return-Path: X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from europe.std.com (199.172.62.20) by mta224.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 16:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon at localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09117 for aussie-weather-outgoing; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sgi04-e.std.com (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08601 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com (world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by sgi04-e.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27242014 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sgi04-e.std.com (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24821 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from web12501.mail.yahoo.com (web12501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.193]) by sgi04-e.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27136768 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:41:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010331004120.76252.qmail at web12501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.173.141.144] by web12501.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:41:20 PST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Paul Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Bushwalk To: weather MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Content-Length: 1245 With the storm season just about over I am organising a bushwalk for ASWA members and their friends to help combat SDS ! The details are as follows: SATURDAY 21st April, meet at Wentworth Falls Train Station at 10am SHARP!!! From there we will decide on the day as to which walk we will do.There are plenty to choose from.Bring good walking shoes,food and drink.Afterwards if there is time we might go to a pub or a cafe for a drink and a bite to eat.Bring your friends as everyone is welcome.Should be a fun day out. By the way the weather forecast will be as follows: SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE FOR THE BLUE MTS AREA WITH LARGE HAIL AND A TORNADO WARNING !! ...so bring your cameras....... Hope to see a big turnout:) Any questions email me personally on stormtwist at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:38:30 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Storms have just popped up out to sea off Sydney, lightning is fairly frequent at a strike every 10-20 seconds or so Pink on local loop now developing off Kiama roughly !!!!!! I hope we get a lightning show, i havent seen a good one all summer. Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:56:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve, I guess it depends upon the proximity of the spouts to each other, if two spouts are relatively close on opposing edges of an updraft region, then you could expect them to have opposite rotations (somewhat like whirlpools on each side of an oar). If they are further apart and associated with independent updrafts, then I would expect them to all rotate cyclonically (somewhat like the pattern of lows forming along a frontal boundary). I have seem two such spouts in a convergence line off Bribie Island, but some 5km apart. In this photo they look a lot closer, but distances on this scale can be very deceptive particularly if a telephoto was used. John. >snip Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Hi all. I have to agree a very interesting Photo, although before we all get excited I wish I could see a couple more taken on that day.The only problem I have is that there does not seem to be a balance in the rotation with spin ups like this I would expect to see alternating cyclonic and anticyclonic rotation this does not seem to be occurring here so I am a little suspicious! of the origins of this photo!!.However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic rotation! regards Clyve Herbert.( +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: SOSE, and cold air. Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:24:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2001 22:24:23.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[295B19C0:01C0C2D6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. SOSE has now become an extra tropical system north of New Zealand,however the mass of cold air running through the Tasman (and developing into a low) may pick up former TC SOSE over the next 12 to 24 hours if this occurs we might see Sose explode into a major extra tropical low off the east side of New Zealand.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:25:09 -0700 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst Chill Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 8.25am 12/4. Reading on weather station early this morning stated a chilly cold -0.4 deg at 5.30am this morning. Is now 10 deg.. BRRRRR.. Dave Bathurst +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Quite cool in Blackheath Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:29:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, We had 1.5C this morning at our place with gusts close to 50kph. That equates to windchill below -10 by my reckoning. I had 1.5 mm in the gauge but I'm not sure when that rain fell. Mount Boyce AWS isn't giving a rain reading. Right now at 8:30am its around 3C and clear skies and it doesn't really feel that cold. Oh well, i'm about to work outside today, so maybe I'll change my mind about how cold it feels. Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: aus-wx: One for the surfers Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:02:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Straying off topic a little, but i thought the surfers on the list would enjoy these photos The pressure gradient between TC Sose and a high in the Tasman sea has led to some truly massive waves along the southern QLD coast over the last few days ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: aus-wx: ALMOST OFFTOPIC: Meteorata - chaser philosophy > It's that time of year again....... > (courtesy of I have no idea who, but I think it's an American) I just > couldn't resist passing it along (especially for those of us old > enough to remember the original Desiderata!! - and Anthony) > > > **Meteorata** > > Go placidly amid the noise and haste, > and remember what peace there may be in silence. > As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all chasers. > > Chart your outlook quietly and clearly; and listen to others, > even the NWS and NSSL for they too have their story. > Avoid loud and aggressive forecasters, > they are vexations to the spirit. > > If you compare yourself with others, > you may become bitter and vain, > for always there will be greater and lessor chasers than yourself. > Enjoy your successes as well as your busts. > > Keep interested in your hobby, however frustrating; > it is a real possession in the changing winds of time. > Exercise caution in your chasing purchases; > for the world is full of trickery. > But let this not blind you to what goodies there are; > many persons strive for technical wizardry; > and everywhere life is full of Faidleys. > Be yourself. > > Especially, do not hate nature. > Neither be cynical about the weather; > for in the face of all busts and disenchantment > it is perennial as the grass. > > Take kindly the counsel of the years, > gracefully surrendering the things of youth. > Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. > But do not distress yourself with imaginings. > Many fears are born of fatigue and chasing alone. > > Beyond a wholesome discipline, > be gentle with yourself. > You are a child of the weather, > no less than the wind and the rain; > you have a right to be here. > And whether or not it is clear to you, > no doubt the weather is unfolding as it should. > > Therefore be at peace with Mother Nature, > whatever you conceive Her to be, > and whatever your labors and aspirations, > in the noisy confusion of El Niño, keep peace with your soul. > > With all its busts, gust fronts, and broken forecasts, > it is still a beautiful world. > Be cheerful. > Strive to be happy. > > > and if you're into philisophy a little bit and would like to read the > origianl "Desiderata' which was written in 1927, then go here.... > http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/desidera.html > > Enjoy! > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: SOSE, and cold air. Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:03:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com NZ has warnings out for this system ... The New Zealanders need to get their rowboats out I think! Keep your eyes on this one! http://www.metservice.co.nz/forecasts/swb.asp Special Weather Bulletin Issued by MetService at 11:10am 12-Apr-2001 SITUATION AT 10 am A depression, formerly Tropical Cyclone Sose, lies near Norfolk Island, and is expected to move southwards to lie west of Auckland tonight. The system has become very weak, but is likely to deepen again as it moves southwards. Another low is developing in the central Tasman Sea. This second low is expected to become the dominant feature, and should lie west of the remains of Sose tonight. The former cyclone is expected to drag very moist air onto the northern half of the North Island, and this combined with strong northeast winds is expected to bring a period of heavy rain to Northland, Coromandel Peninsula, Bay of Plenty, and northern parts of Gisborne. HEAVY RAIN WARNING AREA/S AFFECTED: NORTHLAND COROMANDEL PENINSULA BAY OF PLENTY AND THE GISBORNE RANGES NORTH OF TOLAGA BAY FORECAST: NORTHLAND Rain becoming heavier this afternoon. In the 12 hours from noon to midnight Friday, 70 to 90mm is likely in some areas, especially about the eastern hill country. Rain should ease from the north Thursday night, but on Friday afternoon, a band of heavy showers or thunderstorms may cross the area. COROMANDEL PENINSULA Rain developing Thursday afternoon and becoming heavy in the evening. In the 12 hours from 4pm Thursday to 4am Friday, 120 to 150mm is likely in the ranges.Intensities may reach 25mm per hour during the night. BAY OF PLENTY WEST OF KAWERAU Rain developing Thursday afternoon, and becoming heavy this evening. In the 12 hours from 7pm Thursday to 7am Friday, 120 to 140mm is likely in the ranges,with 30 to 50mm likely at lower levels. Intensities may reach 25mm per hour in the ranges at times from late evening. BAY OF PLENTY EAST OF KAWERAU Rain developing Thursday afternoon, and becoming heavy tonight. In the 12 hours from 10pm Thursday to 10am Friday, 150-170mm is likely in the ranges, and 30 to 50mm at lower levels. Intensities may reach 25mm per hour in the ranges at times after midnight. GISBORNE RANGES NORTH OF TOLAGA BAY Rain developing Thursday evening, and becoming heavy overnight. In the 12 hours from 11pm Thursday to 11am Friday, 90-100mm rain is possible. Intensities may reach 20mm per hour at times after midnight. NEXT SPECIAL WEATHER BULLETIN WILL BE ISSUED AT OR BEFORE 9:00pm Thursday 12-Apr-2001 Hi all. SOSE has now become an extra tropical system north of New Zealand,however the mass of cold air running through the Tasman (and developing into a low) may pick up former TC SOSE over the next 12 to 24 hours if this occurs we might see Sose explode into a major extra tropical low off the east side of New Zealand.regards Clyve Herbert. --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: aus-wx: One for the surfers - i'll try again Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:16:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com doh http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/waves.html They were much bigger at other beaches, but much less photogenic. The first 7 photos were taken by Jason Rainforest at Mooloolaba (north of Brisbane) on Tuesday, and the rest were taken by myself at the same beach on Tuesday and Wednesday The footage from Currumbin on 7 news last night was just jaw dropping - it looked like something from Hawaii!!!! Jason was around the area late yesterday afternoon and managed to get this shot http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/lem/110401/dsc00123-s.jpg (taken from Snapper Rocks) The waves were so big that surfers had to be towed into them by jet ski's !!!!!!!!!!!! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:36:18 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the > Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic > rotation! > regards Clyve Hi Clyve I'm not sure if this is the case you are referring to regarding the Gulf of Carpentaria waterspouts, but I found an article on multiple waterspouts which were observed on 2 Dec 1987 (Australian Meteorological Magazine, v38, No.3). The scanned article (~1Mb) can be downloaded here: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Stuff/GoC_waterspouts.zip To quote page 3 "...two mature waterspouts which formed on the southwest corner of a single cumulonimbus cell.....a third waterspout in the decay stage from the leading cell to the north. All three waterspouts rotated cyclonically." Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.0.101.2] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:02:13 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2001 03:02:13.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[F94BDEA0:01C0C2FC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Interesting pictures from both events!. Another similar event, albeit over land, occurred in the Texas panhandle some five years ago (video was on one of the TVC series). For a short while, 6 spouts were on the ground at the same time, all with anticyclonic rotation!!. There is an article which summarises the events and misocyclone formation >> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/er/bgm/landspout.htm The Italian event is obviously quite similar to the above and, based on the pic alone, I wouldn't worry too much about someone having fun on photoshop... >From: Robert Goler >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:36:18 +1000 (EST) > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the > > Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic > > rotation! > > regards Clyve > > >Hi Clyve > >I'm not sure if this is the case you are referring to regarding the Gulf >of Carpentaria waterspouts, but I found an article on multiple waterspouts >which were observed on 2 Dec 1987 (Australian Meteorological Magazine, >v38, No.3). The scanned article (~1Mb) can be downloaded here: > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Stuff/GoC_waterspouts.zip > >To quote page 3 > >"...two mature waterspouts which formed on the southwest corner of a >single cumulonimbus cell.....a third waterspout in the decay stage from >the leading cell to the north. All three waterspouts rotated >cyclonically." > > >Cheers > >-- > >Robert A. Goler > >E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > >Department of Mathematics and Statistics >Monash University >Clayton, Vic 3800 >Australia > >-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:43:23 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, David Croan wrote: > For a short while, 6 spouts were on the ground at the > same time, all with anticyclonic rotation!!. Being a bit picky here but I'm guessing you actually mean cyclonic rotation (Northern hemisphere), as judged from Figure 5 in the paper below. > There is an article which > summarises the events and misocyclone formation >> > > http://www.nws.noaa.gov/er/bgm/landspout.htm > Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:32:03 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: SOSE, and cold air. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:24 12/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >SOSE has now become an extra tropical system north of New Zealand,however >the mass of cold air running through the Tasman (and developing into a low) >may pick up former TC SOSE over the next 12 to 24 hours if this occurs we >might see Sose explode into a major extra tropical low off the east side of >New Zealand.regards Clyve Herbert. Yes possibly, but i think it will become rather boring. The last low system that dropped down from the sub-tropics fizzed out and I think that Sose will be quite similar although I could be wrong. The cold air from the cold front forming the low in the Tasman SeaA huge anticyclone over SE Australia looks as though it willpush Sose's remains away out to the east of us unfortunately. More rain to the North Island but the South Island not getting much. Central NZ is so dry. more boring weather continuing here on the east coast of the SI What a shame JohnGaul New Zealand Thunderstorm Soc. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: aus-wx: FNMOC map change Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:39:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Has anyone noticed the change to the FNMOC forecast maps? http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/AVN/2001041200/avn.alltau.prp.ausnz .htm Not sure how long it's been like that, but i have to say i'm quite dissapointed. Sure, it gives a good view of approaching systems/the general flow of things, but there are plenty of other sites that have southern hemisphere maps where you can see this sigh +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:29:58 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/inside/sevwx/public/handbook/spotter6.shtml That link has a photograph of waterspouts in the gulf... probably the same event. Matt Smith Robert Goler wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the > > Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic > > rotation! > > regards Clyve > > Hi Clyve > > I'm not sure if this is the case you are referring to regarding the Gulf > of Carpentaria waterspouts, but I found an article on multiple waterspouts > which were observed on 2 Dec 1987 (Australian Meteorological Magazine, > v38, No.3). The scanned article (~1Mb) can be downloaded here: > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Stuff/GoC_waterspouts.zip > > To quote page 3 > > "...two mature waterspouts which formed on the southwest corner of a > single cumulonimbus cell.....a third waterspout in the decay stage from > the leading cell to the north. All three waterspouts rotated > cyclonically." > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cool day in Blackheath Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:46:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Unfortunately it just made it to 10C at our place today. I was hoping it was going to be our first single figure max for autumn, damn close though. Mount Boyce AWS got quite a bit warmer (11.5C, I think) although it usually does on sunny days, being on the western side of the ridge. Our place is tucked down on the eastern side of the ridge, it gets cool and shady pretty early. It also takes a while to heat up in the day, during cooler months, as we have tall-ish pines at the back off our house etc, which shelters the northern sun until later in the morning. Hence, the snow stays around in our yard for quite a while during winter. Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.4] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: FNMOC map change Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:09:19 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2001 07:09:19.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E63DC10:01C0C31F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ben, My problem is the FNMOC maps seem to be caught in an "infinite loop" with an almost permanent high over SE Australia :-( If they could just fix the above glitch, I would be eternally gratefull!! I do like seeing the bigger picture - especially when confronted with the present stalled pattern. It's a pity we can't have both the old one and the new... Patrick >From: "Ben Quinn" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: FNMOC map change >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:39:59 +1000 > >Hi all > >Has anyone noticed the change to the FNMOC forecast maps? > >http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/AVN/2001041200/avn.alltau.prp.ausnz >.htm > >Not sure how long it's been like that, but i have to say i'm quite >dissapointed. Sure, it gives a good view of approaching systems/the >general >flow of things, but there are plenty of other sites that have southern >hemisphere maps where you can see this > >sigh > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:44:38 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: FNMOC map change From: Mark Hardy To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I believe it changed yesterday. Must say that I much preferred the old view. It certainly gave more detail over our region. The new one is way too busy and difficult to make out features. Personally I don't have any need in seeing what's coming when the charts to 144hr will hopefully tell you what it's like when it actually arrives. However, NOGAPS was designed for marine applications so I guess it's only fair they use a display that shows more of the oceans. > From: "Ben Quinn" > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:39:59 +1000 > To: > Subject: aus-wx: FNMOC map change > > Hi all > > Has anyone noticed the change to the FNMOC forecast maps? > > http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/AVN/2001041200/avn.alltau.prp.ausnz > ..htm > > Not sure how long it's been like that, but i have to say i'm quite > dissapointed. Sure, it gives a good view of approaching systems/the general > flow of things, but there are plenty of other sites that have southern > hemisphere maps where you can see this > > sigh > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:40:17 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SOSE, and cold air. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Love the bit at the beginning of the first sentence!!! Also interesting is the fact that they actually predict the maximum rain rate!! Special Weather Bulletin Issued by MetService at 09:04pm 12-Apr-2001 SITUATION AT 8 pm Although cyclone Sose is just a patch of its former self, it still manages to spawn areas of heavy thundery rainfall which propagate across Northland towards the Coromandel Peninsula and the Bay of Plenty. As the remains of Sose slides down east of Northland and Auckland overnight,these heavy rainfall areas should retreat to the Bay of Plenty and northern parts of Gisborne. By early Friday afternoon, the heaviest precipitation should have shifted to the east of Gisborne. A new low is forming west of Auckland and is likely to appear off the North Island east coast during the morning before running quickly away to the southeast. There is another low over the Tasman Sea destined to reach Northland and Auckland late Friday afternoon or evening accompanied by a few heavy thundery showers. HEAVY RAIN WARNING AREA/S AFFECTED: NORTHLAND COROMANDEL PENINSULA BAY OF PLENTY GISBORNE RANGES NORTH OF TOLAGA BAY FORECAST: NORTHLAND The last of the current heavy downpours should be all over by midnight Thursday.Another 10 to 20mm of rain is still possible in a few places. Late Friday afternoon or evening, watch out for the arrival of a band of heavy showers or thunderstorms from the Tasman Sea. COROMANDEL PENINSULA In the 6 hours from 9pm Thursday to 3am Friday, expect another 50 to 75mm of rain in the ranges. BAY OF PLENTY WEST OF KAWERAU In the 9 hours from 9pm Thursday to 6am Friday, up to 100mm is likely in the ranges, with peak intensities of 15 to 25mm per hour. BAY OF PLENTY EAST OF KAWERAU In the 12 hours midnight Thursday to midday Friday, expect rain to be heavy at times, with 100 to 150mm possibly accumulating about the ranges and up to 50mm lower down. Intensities may reach 25mm per hour in the ranges. GISBORNE RANGES NORTH OF TOLAGA BAY In the 12 hours from 1am to 1pm Friday, expect bursts of heavy rain, with up to 100mm likely. -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: FNMOC map change Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:43:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I also don't like the new format at all. Australia is way too small to pick out any localised features and makes it very difficult to do any accurate forecasting off it. What is happening out in the Indian Ocean is largely useless to me in a model sense, although the extra latitude to the south I can see some benefits to. However, I would have thought a more sensible option would have been to keep the old one and add the new one as well. Oh well, all the more reason to stay with GASP :) Matt Pearce +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:52:58 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: MRFs First Cold Snap Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Just looking at the 10 day MRF (ever hopeful, I know it's a bit hazy) at http://weather.unisys.com/mrf/mrf_500p_9panel_aus.html and found that it has officially predicted it's first cold snap for SE Aus. On the 21st and 22nd of April it shows a cold pool wrapping around a low off the coast that has thicknesses well below 540. It looks as if it would be similar to the last few days except that it all develops a bit further west which means it affects land, rather than the Tasman Sea! Now we just have to wait and see! Andrew. -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Digital Atmosphere Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:04:32 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Does anyone have a copy of Digital Atmosphere 2000(weathergraphics.com) and is it worth the US$68? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:35:04 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Freezing here tonight! Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is on, and the house shut! Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a 17C min forecast. No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I did too, at least for longer than they lasted. Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few other nights when the temps were down near 16C). -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:01:07 -0700 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI.. Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment.. BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm. Dave Bathurst.. Anthony Cornelius wrote: > Freezing here tonight! Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is > on, and the house shut! Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much > lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a > 17C min forecast. No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I > did too, at least for longer than they lasted. > > Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few > other nights when the temps were down near 16C). > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Graham" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:55:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com you can keep your 3.4c david..... :)) John from Ballina ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carroll" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane > HI.. > > Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment.. BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm. > > Dave > Bathurst.. > > > Anthony Cornelius wrote: > > > Freezing here tonight! Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is > > on, and the house shut! Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much > > lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a > > 17C min forecast. No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I > > did too, at least for longer than they lasted. > > > > Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few > > other nights when the temps were down near 16C). > > -- > > Anthony Cornelius > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > (07) 3390 4812 > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:13:00 -0600 From: Lyle Pakula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, Unfortunatly/fortunatly i have just been given a new computer and do not have all the stuff to go surfing, so i can't review that weblink, but by your quote, it seems that the waterspouts formed as a sequence of events, rather than as a simulatenous, multiple vorticy event, which is not the case of this photo.. cheers, Lyle Robert Goler wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the > > Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic > > rotation! > > regards Clyve > > Hi Clyve > > I'm not sure if this is the case you are referring to regarding the Gulf > of Carpentaria waterspouts, but I found an article on multiple waterspouts > which were observed on 2 Dec 1987 (Australian Meteorological Magazine, > v38, No.3). The scanned article (~1Mb) can be downloaded here: > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Stuff/GoC_waterspouts.zip > > To quote page 3 > > "...two mature waterspouts which formed on the southwest corner of a > single cumulonimbus cell.....a third waterspout in the decay stage from > the leading cell to the north. All three waterspouts rotated > cyclonically." > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:08:41 -0600 From: Lyle Pakula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, I have to say the feedback from that post was definatly not expected. From the fact that he is using a 120mm lens, he is probbaly quite far away and i would tend to agree that the circulations are due to independant updraughts. For the comment that the photo might be docked, a few of us had a close look and if it was, it's a bloody good job :) Cheers, Lyle J hn Woodbridge wrote: > Hi Clyve, > > I guess it depends upon the proximity of the spouts to each other, if two > spouts are relatively close on opposing edges of an updraft region, then you > could expect them to have opposite rotations (somewhat like whirlpools on > each side of an oar). If they are further apart and associated with > independent updrafts, then I would expect them to all rotate cyclonically > (somewhat like the pattern of lows forming along a frontal boundary). I > have seem two such spouts in a convergence line off Bribie Island, but some > 5km apart. In this photo they look a lot closer, but distances on this > scale can be very deceptive particularly if a telephoto was used. > > John. > >snip > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo > > Hi all. > I have to agree a very interesting Photo, although before we all get excited > I wish I could see a couple more taken on that day.The only problem I have > is that there does not seem to be a balance in the rotation with spin ups > like this I would expect to see alternating cyclonic and anticyclonic > rotation this does not seem to be occurring here so I am a little > suspicious! of the origins of this photo!!.However I have seen genuine > photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the Gulf of Carpentaria these did > show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic rotation! regards Clyve > Herbert.( > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane and a request for more Blue Mountains snow records Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:15:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Dave and Anthony and all, Yeah, its all relative Anthony, that's pretty cool for you guys. During a cold snap in 1986 (June/July), I was up in Darwin and it got to around 17C one night, if I remember. I was working as a labourer (working holiday) and we went to this house for dinner at Humpty Doo and they had the heater on full blast, it was killing us, we could hardly breathe! It must have been a pretty cold winter as we couldn't drive across the Blue Mountains on our way to Darwin because of snow. Didn;t get quite as cold here as forecast this morning. I noticed on the Mount Boyce AWS that the wind went from E to SE last night at about 11pm and then the dp's went up and so did the temp, instead of slowly going towards zero as I had hoped. I had 3.5C, which was the temp late last night and it warmed up to close to 5C this morning with light roof frosts. On another important note, If Blair, Don, Laurier and anyone else has more records re Blue Mountains snow falls over the last 50 years or so, I'd be grateful for them. I've been in touch with our local paper and am planning a visit to their archives cellar (It really is a cellar). Apparently some papers are missing but they have most of them back to 1963 and also have the Echo paper there, dating back many decades. I'm aware of the July 1900 falls, the 1905 falls, the July 1965 falls and a few others. Hopefully, the stories will be eventually written up for all to see on my home page. The Blue Mountains gazette are cool about it all and have virtually given me free reign to take over the archive room for a day (or three). And for no charge too! Cheers, Lindsay Pearce PS: If that college at Humpty Doo has fallen down, don't blame me! I think i forgot to put bloody lime in the cement! PPS: I'm with you Andrew Miskelly, lets hope MRF gets it right for that cold outbreak. Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carroll" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane > HI.. > > Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment.. BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm. > > Dave > Bathurst.. > > > Anthony Cornelius wrote: > > > Freezing here tonight! Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is > > on, and the house shut! Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much > > lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a > > 17C min forecast. No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I > > did too, at least for longer than they lasted. > > > > Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few > > other nights when the temps were down near 16C). > > -- > > Anthony Cornelius > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > (07) 3390 4812 > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Any Linux Users? Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:49:33 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Any linux users here? I have been informed by Weather Graphics that they don't plan to port Digital Atmosphere to Linux. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in starting a team to build a Linux clone of it? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:49:37 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane and a request for more Blue Mountains snow records Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Got down to -3 at my place in Taralga just before dawn. The lowest in the state was Braidwood at midnight (-1), just before I went to bed, and places like Thredbo were still positive. They must have plumeted since then because there are some very low minima in the obs this morning (-7 at Thredbo). Andrew. Lindsay Pearce wrote: > > Hi Dave and Anthony and all, > > Yeah, its all relative Anthony, that's pretty cool for you guys. During a > cold snap in 1986 (June/July), I was up in Darwin and it got to around 17C > one night, if I remember. I was working as a labourer (working holiday) and > we went to this house for dinner at Humpty Doo and they had the heater on > full blast, it was killing us, we could hardly breathe! It must have been a > pretty cold winter as we couldn't drive across the Blue Mountains on our way > to Darwin because of snow. > > Didn;t get quite as cold here as forecast this morning. I noticed on the > Mount Boyce AWS that the wind went from E to SE last night at about 11pm > and then the dp's went up and so did the temp, instead of slowly going > towards zero as I had hoped. I had 3.5C, which was the temp late last night > and it warmed up to close to 5C this morning with light roof frosts. > > On another important note, If Blair, Don, Laurier and anyone else has more > records re Blue Mountains snow falls over the last 50 years or so, I'd be > grateful for them. I've been in touch with our local paper and am planning a > visit to their archives cellar (It really is a cellar). Apparently some > papers are missing but they have most of them back to 1963 and also have the > Echo paper there, dating back many decades. I'm aware of the July 1900 > falls, the 1905 falls, the July 1965 falls and a few others. Hopefully, the > stories will be eventually written up for all to see on my home page. The > Blue Mountains gazette are cool about it all and have virtually given me > free reign to take over the archive room for a day (or three). And for no > charge too! > > Cheers, > > Lindsay Pearce > PS: If that college at Humpty Doo has fallen down, don't blame me! I think i > forgot to put bloody lime in the cement! > PPS: I'm with you Andrew Miskelly, lets hope MRF gets it right for that cold > outbreak. > > Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW > Email: violin at lisp.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Carroll" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane > > > HI.. > > > > Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment.. BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm. > > > > Dave > > Bathurst.. > > > > > > Anthony Cornelius wrote: > > > > > Freezing here tonight! Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is > > > on, and the house shut! Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much > > > lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a > > > 17C min forecast. No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I > > > did too, at least for longer than they lasted. > > > > > > Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few > > > other nights when the temps were down near 16C). > > > -- > > > Anthony Cornelius > > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > > (07) 3390 4812 > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Patrick Tobin" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane and a request for more Blue Mountains snow records Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:41:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Interesting to see Canberra got to -3 this morning. The Thredbo Village ob of -7 this morning is also intereting and shows the very sharp inversion settling over SE Australia. The Thredbo AWS (On top of the hill at Crackenback) shows that the temp has remained above freezing from 1300 yesterday. http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN65092/IDN65092.95909.shtml I am assuming the -5 min for Thredbo AWS was the temp at 0900 yesterday morning (the 72 obs show it was -4.6) rather than this morning. The extent of warming in the the last 24 hours at the 1900m level (which from the soundings was close to the top of yesterday's cold layer over inland NSW) can be seen by the fact that from 1100 yesterday to 1100 today, Thredbo AWS has warmed by 13.6 degrees from (-2.1 to 11.5). On another note it looks like there is some degree of model convergence foreshadowing a decent cold outbreak for SE Australia next weekend. Certainly worth keeping a lookout for (and will hopefully produce some more interesting weather for this region.) Patrick Canberra -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Miskelly +ADw-amiskelly+AEA-ozemail.com.au+AD4- To: aussie-weather+AEA-world.std.com +ADw-aussie-weather+AEA-world.std.com+AD4- Date: Friday, 13 April 2001 10:56 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane and a request for more Blue Mountains snow records +AD4-Got down to -3 at my place in Taralga just before dawn. +AD4- +AD4-The lowest in the state was Braidwood at midnight (-1), just before I +AD4-went to bed, and places like Thredbo were still positive. They must have +AD4-plumeted since then because there are some very low minima in the obs +AD4-this morning (-7 at Thredbo). +AD4- +AD4-Andrew. +AD4- +AD4-Lindsay Pearce wrote: +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Hi Dave and Anthony and all, +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Yeah, its all relative Anthony, that's pretty cool for you guys. During a +AD4APg- cold snap in 1986 (June/July), I was up in Darwin and it got to around 17C +AD4APg- one night, if I remember. I was working as a labourer (working holiday) and +AD4APg- we went to this house for dinner at Humpty Doo and they had the heater on +AD4APg- full blast, it was killing us, we could hardly breathe+ACE- It must have been a +AD4APg- pretty cold winter as we couldn't drive across the Blue Mountains on our way +AD4APg- to Darwin because of snow. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Didn+ADs-t get quite as cold here as forecast this morning. I noticed on the +AD4APg- Mount Boyce AWS that the wind went from E to SE last night at about 11pm +AD4APg- and then the dp's went up and so did the temp, instead of slowly going +AD4APg- towards zero as I had hoped. I had 3.5C, which was the temp late last night +AD4APg- and it warmed up to close to 5C this morning with light roof frosts. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- On another important note, If Blair, Don, Laurier and anyone else has more +AD4APg- records re Blue Mountains snow falls over the last 50 years or so, I'd be +AD4APg- grateful for them. I've been in touch with our local paper and am planning a +AD4APg- visit to their archives cellar (It really is a cellar). Apparently some +AD4APg- papers are missing but they have most of them back to 1963 and also have the +AD4APg- Echo paper there, dating back many decades. I'm aware of the July 1900 +AD4APg- falls, the 1905 falls, the July 1965 falls and a few others. Hopefully, the +AD4APg- stories will be eventually written up for all to see on my home page. The +AD4APg- Blue Mountains gazette are cool about it all and have virtually given me +AD4APg- free reign to take over the archive room for a day (or three). And for no +AD4APg- charge too+ACE- +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Cheers, +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Lindsay Pearce +AD4APg- PS: If that college at Humpty Doo has fallen down, don't blame me+ACE- I think i +AD4APg- forgot to put bloody lime in the cement+ACE- +AD4APg- PPS: I'm with you Andrew Miskelly, lets hope MRF gets it right for that cold +AD4APg- outbreak. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW +AD4APg- Email: violin+AEA-lisp.com.au +AD4APg- ----- Original Message ----- +AD4APg- From: +ACI-David Carroll+ACI- +ADw-davidkc+AEA-nia.net.au+AD4- +AD4APg- To: +ADw-aussie-weather+AEA-world.std.com+AD4- +AD4APg- Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:01 PM +AD4APg- Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane +AD4APg- +AD4APg- +AD4- HI.. +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment.. BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm. +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- Dave +AD4APg- +AD4- Bathurst.. +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- Anthony Cornelius wrote: +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Freezing here tonight+ACE- Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- on, and the house shut+ACE- Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- 17C min forecast. No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- did too, at least for longer than they lasted. +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- other nights when the temps were down near 16C). +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- -- +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Anthony Cornelius +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Vice President +ACY- Queensland Coordinator of the +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- (07) 3390 4812 +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- http://www.severeweather.asn.au +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail +AD4APg- to:majordomo+AEA-world.std.com +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- with +ACI-unsubscribe aussie-weather your+AF8-email+AF8-address+ACI- in the body of +AD4APg- your +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- message. +AD4APg- +AD4- -----------------------jacob+AEA-iinet.net.au------------------------------ +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +AD4APg- +AD4- To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo+AEA-world.std.com +AD4APg- +AD4- with +ACI-unsubscribe aussie-weather your+AF8-email+AF8-address+ACI- in the body of your +AD4APg- +AD4- message. +AD4APg- -----------------------jacob+AEA-iinet.net.au------------------------------ +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4APg- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +AD4APg- To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo+AEA-world.std.com +AD4APg- with +ACI-unsubscribe aussie-weather your+AF8-email+AF8-address+ACI- in the body of your +AD4APg- message. +AD4APg- -----------------------jacob+AEA-iinet.net.au------------------------------ +AD4- +AD4--- +AD4- +AD4-With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of +AD4-messages, this email MAY be forwarded. +AD4- +AD4-Andrew Miskelly +AD4-amiskelly+AEA-ozemail.com.au +AD4- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +AD4- To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo+AEA-world.std.com +AD4- with +ACI-unsubscribe aussie-weather your+AF8-email+AF8-address+ACI- in the body of your +AD4- message. +AD4- -----------------------jacob+AEA-iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.87.16] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: FNMOC map change Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:12:27 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2001 02:42:27.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[61017B60:01C0C3C3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have to say I prefer the changes. I love getting a much large view of overall weather systems. It can get very annoying not knowing what lurks behind the continually reappearing areas of high pressure near WA. I can understand that it won't be so good when trying to observe small scale disturbances. However I can still make out pressure areas and areas of possible rain very easily on the new map right near Adelaide. I think it will improve my understanding of weather systems especially in winter when systems move rapidly from the south and south west. It would be excellent if two maps were available, one large and one smaller, but I can make do with the current situation. By the way people in the southeast should maybe keep there eye out for a possible front/low system by next Wednesday or Thursday. It is still a long way off but hopefully something strong and interesting will develop. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Mirror images Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:53:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Happy Good Friday! Interesting global water vapour image, clearly showing the intense low over New Zealand......but go north across the equator, & there's another low almost at the same longitude!! http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/globalwv.html This image shows it clearly (and you can load a loop of it) or if you get lost try the main page for the site with all the satellites http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/ Back to the chocolates!! -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Digital Atmosphere Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:24:50 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id XAA23808 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:04:32 +1000, David Findlay wrote: >Does anyone have a copy of Digital Atmosphere 2000(weathergraphics.com) and >is it worth the US$68? David, absolutely! I've been running DA since early 1.x versions, and if you want to really analyse synoptic surface and upper situations in real time it is *the* package to have. You can select any area, any size, on the globe, and draw your own charts based on your own parameters. Given its ease of use, it is a remarkably sophisticated program. Data comes from any of a range of US uni sites, so to this extent its utility depends on their continuing to provide data content. And, obviously, you need to spend a few minutes getting your data before you can run the program. However, it allows you to produce a fully analysed chart, complete with full station plots, within 30 minutes or so of observation time. The range of ways you can manipulate upper air data is excellent for forecasting, + you can generate Skew-Ts for any location, including locations interpolated between several sites. I'm aware of several other DA users in Australia, and I already have developed a program that turns both the 3-hourly synoptic and hourly/half-hourly metars I get from the BoM into a format that DA can ingest. With a bit more tweaking for reliability (+ if there's a demand) I could make this available to local DA users, subject to BoM approval. The local (vs globally exchange US uni) data has the advantage that it contains more detailed rainfall information, +, of course, the US unis only carry the 3-hourly synoptic reports. -- Laurier Williams Australian Weather News & Links http://www.australianweathernews.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p11-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.75] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:55:27 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Digital Atmosphere Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Laurier, I think you will find there would be quite some demand for the program if the data in real time is made a available as you suggest. Jimmy Deguara At 03:24 AM 13/04/01 +0000, you wrote: >On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:04:32 +1000, David Findlay > wrote: > > >Does anyone have a copy of Digital Atmosphere 2000(weathergraphics.com) and > >is it worth the US$68? > >David, absolutely! I've been running DA since early 1.x versions, and >if you want to really analyse synoptic surface and upper situations in >real time it is *the* package to have. You can select any area, any >size, on the globe, and draw your own charts based on your own >parameters. Given its ease of use, it is a remarkably sophisticated >program. Data comes from any of a range of US uni sites, so to this >extent its utility depends on their continuing to provide data >content. And, obviously, you need to spend a few minutes getting your >data before you can run the program. However, it allows you to produce >a fully analysed chart, complete with full station plots, within 30 >minutes or so of observation time. The range of ways you can >manipulate upper air data is excellent for forecasting, + you can >generate Skew-Ts for any location, including locations interpolated >between several sites. > >I'm aware of several other DA users in Australia, and I already have >developed a program that turns both the 3-hourly synoptic and >hourly/half-hourly metars I get from the BoM into a format that DA can >ingest. With a bit more tweaking for reliability (+ if there's a >demand) I could make this available to local DA users, subject to BoM >approval. The local (vs globally exchange US uni) data has the >advantage that it contains more detailed rainfall information, +, of >course, the US unis only carry the 3-hourly synoptic reports. > > > > >-- >Laurier Williams >Australian Weather News & Links >http://www.australianweathernews.com > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Bit of a wish forcast. Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:00:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2001 06:00:12.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[00A48840:01C0C3DF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Convection to the north of the NT looks to have weak low level convergence and some poor upper divergence,some of the upper stuff is extending south eastward across the top end ahead of what appears to be a weak 300hpa trough....at least its something to look at while this miserable high visits for Easter!. I do have a bit of cirrus though,have you got any drizzle at Wollongong Michael?, there must be something happening somewhere.regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.2.32.143] From: "Dave Ellem" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:14:49 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2001 06:14:49.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B659B00:01C0C3E1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Everyone, I am heading off to check out the weather in Europe (mainly France, Italy and Austria) for about 5 weeks from next Tuesday and have arranged to go to the area in which that ‘remarkable photo’ of the waterspouts was taken. I’ll be sure to take some pictures to compare. Who knows what I’ll see =) . I’ll be sure to let you all know if anything exciting happens over there (heard the Italian supercells are really good). Oh, and if anyone has any links to weather sites (e.g., forecasts, radar etc) in these three countries it would be greatly appreciated. Well, enjoy your winter weather, I’m heading back to spring again!! Cya!! Dave Dave Ellem Storm Chaser From Wollongbar, Northern Rivers, NE NSW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Australian satpics Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:45:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm experimenting here - I've put gmsc & gmsd (the west & east Australian IR images) on the same page at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/currentsatpic.htm Does anyone know how to join the 2 up so that the images reload automatically in the right places & make a single seamless image (using gold ol' html)? Back to the movie........ -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: aus-wx: There is weather........somewhere Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:06:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There is something happening somewhere...but it certainly isn't here! but if you take a look at these full globe IR images http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/stitched/ir/LATEST.jpg , and http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/rain/ir_color/20010413.0000.geo. ir.x.global.x.gif , with the second image being the 'rain rate' (I'm still trying to find an explanation for the scale, but I think you'll get the idea), you'd probably be able to name 10 places you'd like to be other than sunny Victoria. Jane Clyve Herbert wrote: >there must be something happening somewhere -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: There is weather........somewhere Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:15:54 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Great images Jane! I think Id like to be in Equatorial Guinea or the Congo by the looks. Southern India not to bad either! Rgds, Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:36 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: There is weather........somewhere There is something happening somewhere...but it certainly isn't here! but if you take a look at these full globe IR images http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/stitched/ir/LATEST.jpg , and http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/rain/ir_color/20010413.0000.geo. ir.x.global.x.gif , with the second image being the 'rain rate' (I'm still trying to find an explanation for the scale, but I think you'll get the idea), you'd probably be able to name 10 places you'd like to be other than sunny Victoria. Jane Clyve Herbert wrote: >there must be something happening somewhere -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: aus-wx: Latest weather info pages for Bris and SE QLD Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:59:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Over the last few months i have been testing the following realtime weather information pages. What makes them unique is they contain information from up to 8 different pages - ie for Weather Watch: Brisbane forecast, radar image, Queensland warnings, various TWC images, Queensland extended outlook and 4 day MSLP forecast all on the one page, which updates automatically through some very nifty scripting (thanks to 4cm.com for the script and tech support) Weather Watch http://www.bsch.au.com/realtime/weather_watch.html Storm Watch http://www.bsch.au.com/realtime/storm_watch.html I pray that i have ironed out all the bugs - if you have any kind of problems please let me know They should load quite quickly, and with Storm Watch you have to option to reduce the number of images on the page for even quicker downloading. I must stress that the very second the images/forecasts update on the BOM or TWC server, they update on the page, as the scripting simply grabs the info from the various servers and displays it on screen when you load up or refresh the page. I am more than happy to help other people set up pages like this on their own sites. There's no way to view the script source through your browser, so if you want to go ahead and set it up yourself just email me and i'll forward you the details. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bit of a wish forcast. Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:01:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve Today ( Friday ) was very sunny and a fresh S wind in the morning, by late afternoon it was SE and light. No clouds of any description, low, middle or high. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Friday, 13 April 2001 16:00 Subject: aus-wx: Bit of a wish forcast. > Hi all. > Convection to the north of the NT looks to have weak low level convergence > and some poor upper divergence,some of the upper stuff is extending south > eastward across the top end ahead of what appears to be a weak 300hpa > trough....at least its something to look at while this miserable high visits > for Easter!. I do have a bit of cirrus though,have you got any drizzle at > Wollongong Michael?, there must be something happening somewhere.regards > Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:12:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anth and others Cool but not remarkably cold for Brisbane at this time of year. It comes as a sudden shock because only a couple of weeks ago we were sweltering in mega humidity and abnormally hot nights for late March. A shock to the system. But I remember some rather cold ANZAC days for Brisbane (below 8 degrees) and that is a mere two weeks away. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane > Freezing here tonight! Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is > on, and the house shut! Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much > lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a > 17C min forecast. No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I > did too, at least for longer than they lasted. > > Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few > other nights when the temps were down near 16C). > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:10:02 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: There is weather........somewhere Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 17:06 13/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >There is something happening somewhere...but it certainly isn't here! > > >Jane > > > > >Clyve Herbert wrote: >>there must be something happening somewhere > Well definitely not here in New Zealand. The remains of exTC Sose fizzed out over the North Island and moved out to the east of the country as what I predicted. It did dump considerable rainfall amounts around the northern half of the North Island, nothing in the drought areas further south of the central North Island. However the Media did make the weather event into some sort of story possibly because it a holiday WE and most of NZ's population live around the Auckland area ( I don't know why?) Anyway more sunny skies here in the Mainland and a hint of drizzle as the useless cold front moved across here this morning. Thanks for you lot there in SE Australia for sending that ridge across and making the weather quite boringer than usual for this type of weather event. Back to more dry weather for the meanwhilst! JohnGaul New Zealand Drought Society - more than just dry weather ------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:13:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all On top of a spectacular series of photos from Anthony Cornelius, this update includes video captures from some of the strongest tornadoes and violent storms ever recorded in SE QLD : the 1973 tornado (damage track of over 50km!!!!), a tornado which ripped through a caravan park north of Brisbane in 1983, a strong tornado at Kin Kin in 1985, an incredibly strong storm in the Brisbane valley in March 1998, March 9 2001 flash flooding, October 13 tornadic supercell and the December 16 1998 hailstorm which dropped 10cm hail in Brisbane http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/new.shtml Some of the best damage stills include http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/subs/180398_01.shtml 5 (yes FIVE!) of these towers were brought down near the town of Harlin in the Brisbane Valley. The towers are built to withstand windspeeds of up to 180km/h ! James Chambers has a great report on this day at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm/reports/mar18_98.html and http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/subs/xx0385_01.shtml showing very nasty damage to houses (one in particular) caused by the 1985 Kin Kin tornado. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:29:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2001 14:28:57.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[1300E140:01C0C426] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. All aboard for the chasers hot spot flight!,strap in and sit back,tonight we will travel on our new particle accelerator craft to destinations controlled by our mind,this new means of transport uses a new type of propulsion ....Particles are accelerated down a coiled tube 102.5m long, the inside of the tube is diamond coated and with electromagnetic excitation every 1.5.cm.The particles are initially accelerated by a triple laser beam and continue to accelerated before reaching the progressively narrowing tube at the end of which only one atom can escape,but just before this one atom escapes it receives its final excitation.... that catapults it to light speed which results in an enormous explosion of energy and thrust (check Einstein's theory).Are we all ready.....We effortlessly glide skyward first heading west, within nanoseconds we reach the Otway ridge and pass Weeaproinah with an annual rainfall of 1960mm, but no we move away heading east,within seconds we pass close to Marysville, a good spot ,1260mm ave occasional winter snow and a sealed road to Lake Mountain. This area also comes about 30 storm days a year...not enough!,so lets keep going, our craft responds and heads further east gliding over Mt Hotham and then on to the Bogong high plains with rainfall about 2000mm a year and about 40 days with thunder.....still not enough, keep moving eastward, then to the northeast passing over the snowy mountains along Crakenback with about 2500mm with lots of snow and about 50 thunderdays a year,too cold you say and still not enough thunderdays,head further east moving now up the east coast past Sydney and then northwest to the upper Hunter with about 35 days of thunder and a good proportion of supercells. But some of us want to go further north we head past Premer and Mullaley to see the spectacular Northwest Plains storms with their exploding microbursts fanning out across the open grasslands and the occasional lonely Tornado...But this is still not enough, lets head northeast to Glen Innes and watch the superb northern Tablelands summer spectacular with rotateing bases and huge hail and a little further east to see the high cape supercells of the north-eastern New South Wales coastal hinterland, our craft slows but then speeds up to head northwest to the Border Range with 70 or 80 days of thunder a year, now this is more like it. Again our craft slows but does not stop but again accelerates northward along the divide and reaching the Capricornia where huge supercells reach skyward to better than 70.000ft these I have to see.But some of us want to head back and are dropped off at various places but I want to go forward and northward we say our goodbyes and I head north again ...passing off the coast at the Whitsunday's and making a great arc and within seconds I decelerate and come ashore at Deeral, this place I like with 4021mm a year and about 35 days with thunder ,occasional cat 3 tropical Cyclones, my craft slows and I check the other places here Tully with about 4326mm and Babinda nestled at the base of Mt Barltle Frere thought to be one of the wettest places on the Earth I like this place ......this is were I want to be ....and that's where I will be going.. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > Your right Jimmy, when there is widespread and general instability it is the > first to go off often , but when conditions are borderline then Dorrigo > often has the only storms around, and I am always a fan of borderline > conditions. Borderline conditions don't always mean weak storms, sometimes > they mean only the severe survive. The Ebor area just west would also be > interesting. > > Michael > > > > As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of > weather > > system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what > I > > have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to > > go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well. > > > ----------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Unusual temperature differences in SE Australia Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:44:12 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id QAA15125 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There's an interesting temperature reversal from normal at present around the NSW Southern Tablelands and NE Victoria, with a high anchored over the region and warmer air coming in aloft. At 6am, Bombala was -2.8, Wangaratta 0.4 and Bairnsdale 1.4, but Thredbo Crackenback 7.9, Falls Ck 7.0, Mt Buller 7.1 and Mt Hotham 6.8. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Latest weather info pages for Bris and SE QLD Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:10:13 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id RAA16637 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ben Cool! I've been toying with something like this for each region of Australia using good old html, but there are limitations... I'd love a copy of the scripts, please. Just a suggestion -- a link on the weather page to the storm page, and vice versa. Laurier On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:59:45 +1000, "Ben Quinn" wrote: >Hi all > >Over the last few months i have been testing the following realtime weather >information pages. What makes them unique is they contain information from >up to 8 different pages - ie for Weather Watch: Brisbane forecast, radar >image, Queensland warnings, various TWC images, Queensland extended outlook >and 4 day MSLP forecast all on the one page, which updates automatically >through some very nifty scripting (thanks to 4cm.com for the script and tech >support) > > >Weather Watch >http://www.bsch.au.com/realtime/weather_watch.html > >Storm Watch >http://www.bsch.au.com/realtime/storm_watch.html > > >I pray that i have ironed out all the bugs - if you have any kind of >problems please let me know > >They should load quite quickly, and with Storm Watch you have to option to >reduce the number of images on the page for even quicker downloading. I >must stress that the very second the images/forecasts update on the BOM or >TWC server, they update on the page, as the scripting simply grabs the info >from the various servers and displays it on screen when you load up or >refresh the page. > >I am more than happy to help other people set up pages like this on their >own sites. There's no way to view the script source through your browser, >so if you want to go ahead and set it up yourself just email me and i'll >forward you the details. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Rain rates at http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:22:58 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id RAA17709 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jane I think the rain rate scale for http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/rain/ir_color/20010413.1800.geo.ir.x.global.x.gif is the same as given along the bottom of the daily, 6-hourly, etc., accumulations accessed off http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/rain/accumulations/ There's also some useful stuff if you follow the "NRL products training" link off http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/, then click on "geostationary rainrate" Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Instantaneous rainfall rates for Australia! Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:38:46 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id RAA18730 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jane, The US Naval Research Lab Monterey site you gave in the earlier post has some gems. I hadn't visited for a while, but they've obviously been busy. If you go to http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/rain.cgi?GEO=aus, there are realtime satellite-derived rainfall rates from 1 to 24 hours specifically for Australia. Also a cool enhanced IR image for Australia. Links at the top go to a 1-week archive that can be animated in a variety of ways. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:13:38 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Great trip thanks Clive. I've been to quite a number of those places. Last time I went to Weeaproinah was in about 1954 or earlier when I caught a narrow-gauge (2' 6") passenger train from Colac drawn by a G class Garrett steam engine. Does anyone know whether the old railway line still goes there? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:29:07 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live within nanoseconds we reach the Otway ridge and pass > Weeaproinah with an annual rainfall of 1960mm, +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:54:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2001 00:54:33.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[783C2EA0:01C0C47D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. The old Otways railway is long gone,however I had the good luck to be paired with the last driver to work the line who was transferred from Colac to Geelong in 1976. At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The track I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other is being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Smith To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:13 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > Great trip thanks Clive. I've been to quite a number of those places. > Last time I went to Weeaproinah was in about 1954 or earlier when I > caught a narrow-gauge (2' 6") passenger train from Colac drawn by a G > class Garrett steam engine. Does anyone know whether the old railway > line still goes there? > > Phil > <>< > International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:29:07 +1000 > Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live > > > within nanoseconds we reach the Otway ridge and pass > > Weeaproinah with an annual rainfall of 1960mm, > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:29:01 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in australia - why are so many people suprised when you talk about them. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:40:04 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Because they only happen in America and we get the odd mini one ;) (Im being sarcastic) Matt Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com David Findlay wrote: > What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in australia - > why are so many people suprised when you talk about them. > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:09:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com David, Probably has a bit to do with a couple of things - strongly tied to people's perception, habits & education. 1) Two years ago , Peter Corlett, a Victorian ASWA member, mapped the incidence of tornado sightings on behalf of the BoM Severe Wx section. They found that there was a very strong correlation between the following: i) major arterials & sightings, eg: Hume Highway ii) cities / towns & sightings Considering that the great majority of the population spends most if its time buried in the cities around the seaboard, & yet the great proportion of sightings occur in the 'bush'(ie: outside major population centres), I'm not surprised at the fact that people are surprised when you talk about tornadoes. 2) Try this little experiment about perception - sit somewhere at lunchtime & watch people coming out of office buildings & shopping centres. Do they look at the sky? For how long? In how many different directions? How many people (other than us) actually stop & actually 'see' what they are looking at? or as Henry David Thoreau put it so succinctly: "The question is not what you look at, but what you see." David Findlay wrote: > What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in australia - > why are so many people suprised when you talk about them. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:21:55 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:54 14/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me >some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The track >I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old >Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other is >being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards >Clyve Herbert. > Hi Clyve, Are you a loco driver?? I was a locoEngineer driving locos and trains for NZR now TranzRail here in New Zealand for 27 years taking 'early retirement ' in 1996. Based here in Christchurch,it was driving trains through the Southern Alps to the West Coast seeing all sorts of weather phenomana that gave me my interest in weather/meteorology. Are there any other train/loco drivers on this list? JohnGaul +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:57:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2001 05:57:07.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD387430:01C0C4A7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John. I joined the Victorian Railways in 1974 as a lad trainee or we were known as cleaners then,initially based at South Dynon (Melbourne),but transferring to Geelong in 1975,then qualifying as a diesel loco driver in 1977,most of our work was on heavy wheat trains between Maryborough/Ballarat and to Geelong,I was transferred to Melbourne in 1988 and have been there ever since (200k round trip to work!). Here I drive suburban electrics and I enjoy the job very much,the only other driver (ex)I now on the list is Bussie from Rutherglen in North-eastern Victoria who occasionally shows up on the list with his very humorous remarks (typical railwayman).I did spend about a week pottering around the north island of NZ about 4 years ago including a drenching on the railway platform at Stratford near New Plymouth, a location I liked very much.Its a small world because a friend of mine from a locally based private rail co (West Coast Rail) has been short listed in the present sell off of the passenger division of NZ rail and he is very keen to buy this system which includes the section from Christchurch to Greymouth.Regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gaul To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather) > At 10:54 14/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me > >some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The track > >I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old > >Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other is > >being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards > >Clyve Herbert. > > > > Hi Clyve, > Are you a loco driver?? > I was a locoEngineer driving locos and trains for NZR now TranzRail here > in New Zealand for 27 years taking 'early retirement ' in 1996. Based here > in Christchurch,it was driving trains through the Southern Alps to the West > Coast seeing all sorts of weather phenomana that gave me my interest in > weather/meteorology. > Are there any other train/loco drivers on this list? > > > JohnGaul > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:06:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'll put my hand up. I'm guilty as charged as well. Well ex driver anyway :-) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gaul" To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather) > At 10:54 14/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me > >some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The track > >I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old > >Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other is > >being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards > >Clyve Herbert. > > > > Hi Clyve, > Are you a loco driver?? > I was a locoEngineer driving locos and trains for NZR now TranzRail here > in New Zealand for 27 years taking 'early retirement ' in 1996. Based here > in Christchurch,it was driving trains through the Southern Alps to the West > Coast seeing all sorts of weather phenomana that gave me my interest in > weather/meteorology. > Are there any other train/loco drivers on this list? > > > JohnGaul > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:30:33 +1000 From: Keith Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane, That's an interesting comment about people's perceptions. On one occasion I looked out the window at work to check on the weather and someone looked at me silly and said 'the sky's still there' or something to that effect. He had no idea that I wasn't 'looking at the sky' but trying to observe the direction of the clouds at various levels. Or I'll be stopped in the street by a fellow workmate while looking as if I can see Superman coming (to the other person's mind) and the person utters some comment that has no relevance at all..but only because, as I think you are suggesting, most people don't know what to look for in the weather.Every time I step out for a break the first thing I do is check the sky, or the temperature on the clock on the building next door... Jane ONeill wrote: > > David, > > Probably has a bit to do with a couple of things - strongly tied to > people's perception, habits & education. > > 1) Two years ago , Peter Corlett, a Victorian ASWA member, mapped the > incidence of tornado sightings on behalf of the BoM Severe Wx section. > They found that there was a very strong correlation between the > following: > i) major arterials & sightings, eg: Hume Highway > ii) cities / towns & sightings > > Considering that the great majority of the population spends most if its > time buried in the cities around the seaboard, & yet the great > proportion of sightings occur in the 'bush'(ie: outside major population > centres), I'm not surprised at the fact that people are surprised when > you talk about tornadoes. > > 2) Try this little experiment about perception - sit somewhere at > lunchtime & watch people coming out of office buildings & shopping > centres. Do they look at the sky? For how long? In how many different > directions? > > How many people (other than us) actually stop & actually 'see' what they > are looking at? or as Henry David Thoreau put it so succinctly: > > "The question is not what you look at, but what you see." > > David Findlay wrote: > > > What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in > australia - > > why are so many people suprised when you talk about them. > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:01:58 +0100 (BST) From: Mario Paul Subject: aus-wx: aswa bushwalk To: weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com With the storm season just about over I am organising a bushwalk for ASWA members and their friends to help combat SDS ! The details are as follows: SATURDAY 21st April, meet at Wentworth Falls Train Station at 10am SHARP!!! From there we will decide on the day as to which walk we will do.There are plenty to choose from.Bring good walking shoes,food and drink.Afterwards if there is time we might go to a pub or a cafe for a drink and a bite to eat.Bring your friends as everyone is welcome.Should be a fun day out. By the way the weather forecast will be as follows: SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE FOR THE BLUE MTS AREA WITH LARGE HAIL AND A TORNADO WARNING !! ...so bring your cameras....... Hope to see a big turnout:) Any questions email me personally on stormtwist at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free at yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free at yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:00:47 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This happens to me all the time - pausing to stare out of the window at work at some Cb or another usually gets "what are you looking for" or similar. This is in a country that's the most tornado - prone on earth.... but if any of you watch the BBC world service / weather you'll know that it's played down here... A lengthy explanation about (single cell / coldie) showers spawning tornadoes usually follows.... Les Les Crossan & Christine Challen, UK Storm Chasers, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W www.uksevereweather.org.uk Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barnett" To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature > Hi Jane, > That's an interesting comment about people's perceptions. On one > occasion I looked out the window at work to check on the weather and > someone > looked at me silly and said 'the sky's still there' or something to that > effect. He had no idea that I wasn't 'looking at the sky' but trying to > observe the direction of the clouds at various levels. Or I'll be > stopped in the street by a fellow workmate while looking as if I can see > Superman coming (to the other person's mind) and the person utters some > comment that has no relevance at all..but only because, as I think you > are suggesting, most people don't know what to look for in the > weather.Every time I step out for a break the first thing I do is check > the sky, or the temperature on the clock on the building next door... > Jane ONeill wrote: > > > > David, > > > > Probably has a bit to do with a couple of things - strongly tied to > > people's perception, habits & education. > > > > 1) Two years ago , Peter Corlett, a Victorian ASWA member, mapped the > > incidence of tornado sightings on behalf of the BoM Severe Wx section. > > They found that there was a very strong correlation between the > > following: > > i) major arterials & sightings, eg: Hume Highway > > ii) cities / towns & sightings > > > > Considering that the great majority of the population spends most if its > > time buried in the cities around the seaboard, & yet the great > > proportion of sightings occur in the 'bush'(ie: outside major population > > centres), I'm not surprised at the fact that people are surprised when > > you talk about tornadoes. > > > > 2) Try this little experiment about perception - sit somewhere at > > lunchtime & watch people coming out of office buildings & shopping > > centres. Do they look at the sky? For how long? In how many different > > directions? > > > > How many people (other than us) actually stop & actually 'see' what they > > are looking at? or as Henry David Thoreau put it so succinctly: > > > > "The question is not what you look at, but what you see." > > > > David Findlay wrote: > > > > > What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in > > australia - > > > why are so many people suprised when you talk about them. > > > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:09:58 -0400 From: David Hart To: undernet-weather mailing list cc: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: For the weather-weenie who has everything Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thought it was a joke when I heard about it on the radio, but it seems to be for real: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1264000/1264205.stm Anyone for Toast and Java? David Hart (Netdave) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: For the weather-weenie who has everything Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:48:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The question is what symbol you'd like the most on your toast (: The BBC has a tornado warning symbol - for those of you who lived in Britain 20 years ago it's a carbon copy of the old Flash advert - "cleans like a white tornado" - no joke!! (: Les Crossan & Christine Challen, UK Storm Chasers, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W www.uksevereweather.org.uk Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hart" Newsgroups: ne.weather To: "undernet-weather mailing list" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: aus-wx: For the weather-weenie who has everything > Heard about this on the radio and thought it was a joke, but it seems to > be real. > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1264000/1264205.stm > > Toast and Java anyone? > > -David Hart- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p198-tnt1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.128.198] claimed to be zaphodws From: "John Dryden" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. 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Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about 4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks otherwise.
 
thanks in advance
JD & PS
 
 
From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Wx-chase-can" , "Aussie Weather" , "TWC Weather" Subject: aus-wx: The Structure & Mechanisms of Hailstorms Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:11:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, The paper by Keith Browning "Structure & Mechanisms of Hailstorms" (43p) is now online at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/br1.htm Many thanks to Keith for making this paper publicly available, and to Robert Goler for doing a fantastic job of scanning it. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p326-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.72] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:38:02 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, I live nearby at Schofields. I am trying to think when and what your cloud looked like... Was the following the day: 21/03/01 "Spectacular sunrise. Altocumulus cover with altostratus.\\\ Cloud increased with some rain. This cleared with rain band to E and NE. Some castellanus persisted behind the cloud mass. Cloud from the NNW. Warm day." Was it during the afternoon or morning etc etc. Jimmy Deguara At 04:04 AM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really >subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look >upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However >I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I >witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and >was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning >Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about >4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly >broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else >see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be >greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks >otherwise. > >thanks in advance >JD & PS > > ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:33:57 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I am convinced that the majority of tornadoes occurring in Australia are never reported simply because nobody happened to look out and see them and they didn't blow anyone's house to smithereens. I can recall many many times in country newspapers when there would be a report that on Farmer So'n'so's property "the thunderstorm left a strip of trees 100 metres wide by 500 metres long all knocked down" but never a mention of a tornado. The best might be some comment about freak winds. And as for comments made by colleagues when you are looking out the window at the office, in one place I worked they used to refer to me as "Chicken Little"! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Les Crossan" To: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:00:47 +0100 Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature > This happens to me all the time - pausing to stare out of the window at > work > at some Cb or another usually gets "what are you looking for" or > similar. > > This is in a country that's the most tornado - prone on earth.... but > if any > of you watch the BBC world service / weather you'll know that it's > played > down here... > > A lengthy explanation about (single cell / coldie) showers spawning > tornadoes usually follows.... > > Les > Les Crossan & Christine Challen, > UK Storm Chasers, > Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W > www.uksevereweather.org.uk > > Wallsend StormCam: > www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Barnett" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature > > > > Hi Jane, > > That's an interesting comment about people's perceptions. On one > > occasion I looked out the window at work to check on the weather and > > someone > > looked at me silly and said 'the sky's still there' or something to > that > > effect. He had no idea that I wasn't 'looking at the sky' but trying > to > > observe the direction of the clouds at various levels. Or I'll be > > stopped in the street by a fellow workmate while looking as if I can > see > > Superman coming (to the other person's mind) and the person utters > some > > comment that has no relevance at all..but only because, as I think > you > > are suggesting, most people don't know what to look for in the > > weather.Every time I step out for a break the first thing I do is > check > > the sky, or the temperature on the clock on the building next door... > > Jane ONeill wrote: > > > > > > David, > > > > > > Probably has a bit to do with a couple of things - strongly tied to > > > people's perception, habits & education. > > > > > > 1) Two years ago , Peter Corlett, a Victorian ASWA member, mapped > the > > > incidence of tornado sightings on behalf of the BoM Severe Wx > section. > > > They found that there was a very strong correlation between the > > > following: > > > i) major arterials & sightings, eg: Hume Highway > > > ii) cities / towns & sightings > > > > > > Considering that the great majority of the population spends most > if its > > > time buried in the cities around the seaboard, & yet the great > > > proportion of sightings occur in the 'bush'(ie: outside major > population > > > centres), I'm not surprised at the fact that people are surprised > when > > > you talk about tornadoes. > > > > > > 2) Try this little experiment about perception - sit somewhere at > > > lunchtime & watch people coming out of office buildings & shopping > > > centres. Do they look at the sky? For how long? In how many > different > > > directions? > > > > > > How many people (other than us) actually stop & actually 'see' what > they > > > are looking at? or as Henry David Thoreau put it so succinctly: > > > > > > "The question is not what you look at, but what you see." > > > > > > David Findlay wrote: > > > > > > > What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in > > > australia - > > > > why are so many people suprised when you talk about them. > > > > > > Jane > > > -------------------------------- > > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p122-tnt3.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.132.122] claimed to be zaphodws From: "John Dryden" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:18:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy Thanks for replying. We think it was Sunday the 25th March 4.30am. (Although it could of been the previous Sunday but we don't think so) I decided to see if John was right and check the web, (surely some other strange person was up a that time and saw it?), I found this web site http://www.dropbears.com/brough/images.htm and the cloud looked very very similar, as John said it ran from North to south and was travelling east to west. I then came across your web site and the pics of shelf clouds, which are also similar but all appear a bit too fluffy? (good technical word), it was completely flat and straight on the bottom and looked to me like it was being gust or rolled upwards? I could kick myself I didn't get the camera out! I have looked at the catalogue and the attached one is the only one similar, but it was much more spectacular and straight, with no other clouds in the sky, which amazed me. Are these "morning glories" really rare? Have they been seen around here before? I guess we will just forever wonder what we saw. Also do you have any tips on good vantage points for lightning photography? I attempted to take some shots a while ago, there was (well I thought) a great shot of lightning hitting a building, but unfortunately it was so small most didn't notice it! Thanks Philisity Dryden -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 8:38 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Hi John, I live nearby at Schofields. I am trying to think when and what your cloud looked like... Was the following the day: 21/03/01 "Spectacular sunrise. Altocumulus cover with altostratus.\\\ Cloud increased with some rain. This cleared with rain band to E and NE. Some castellanus persisted behind the cloud mass. Cloud from the NNW. Warm day." Was it during the afternoon or morning etc etc. Jimmy Deguara At 04:04 AM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really >subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look >upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However >I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I >witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and >was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning >Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about >4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly >broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else >see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be >greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks >otherwise. > >thanks in advance >JD & PS > > ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\1211mb01[1].jpg" X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p326-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.72] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:11:11 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Philisity, I take it you mean 4:30pm. Was the day rainy or did it rain later? Was it white in colour with darker clouds above or grayer with light clouds above or perhaps blue sky I am thinking? http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0713jd02.jpg http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0929jd01.jpg http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0929jd02.jpg This is the type of weather I recorded on the 25th March 2001, the date you suggested. So I assume this cloud was a whitish looking long band probably developing as light winds changed to SE or E and moved inland. The moisture around that day because of the light rain allowed for the low cloud to develop. I assume the cloud you saw was something like this: http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1998/0819jd01.jpg What do you think? Jimmy Deguara At 01:18 PM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy > >Thanks for replying. > >We think it was Sunday the 25th March 4.30am. (Although it could of been the >previous Sunday but we don't think so) > >I decided to see if John was right and check the web, (surely some other >strange person was up a that time and saw it?), I found this web site >http://www.dropbears.com/brough/images.htm and the cloud looked very very >similar, as John said it ran from North to south and was travelling east to >west. I then came across your web site and the pics of shelf clouds, which >are also similar but all appear a bit too fluffy? (good technical word), it >was completely flat and straight on the bottom and looked to me like it was >being gust or rolled upwards? I could kick myself I didn't get the camera >out! >I have looked at the catalogue and the attached one is the only one similar, >but it was much more spectacular and straight, with no other clouds in the >sky, which amazed me. > >Are these "morning glories" really rare? Have they been seen around here >before? I guess we will just forever wonder what we saw. > >Also do you have any tips on good vantage points for lightning photography? >I attempted to take some shots a while ago, there was (well I thought) a >great shot of lightning hitting a building, but unfortunately it was so >small most didn't notice it! > >Thanks >Philisity Dryden > > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara >Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 8:38 AM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami > > >Hi John, > >I live nearby at Schofields. I am trying to think when and what your cloud >looked like... > >Was the following the day: 21/03/01 > >"Spectacular sunrise. Altocumulus cover with altostratus.\\\ Cloud >increased with some rain. This cleared with rain band to E and NE. Some >castellanus persisted behind the cloud mass. Cloud from the NNW. Warm day." > >Was it during the afternoon or morning etc etc. > >Jimmy Deguara > >At 04:04 AM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really > >subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look > >upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However > >I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I > >witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and > >was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning > >Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about > >4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly > >broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else > >see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be > >greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks > >otherwise. > > > >thanks in advance > >JD & PS > > > > > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:14:53 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John and Philisity Just checking through my weather archives, were you actually doing some astronomical observing on this morning? The satellite imagery shows very extensive high cloud cover during the 24/25. So, if you were doing some observing, then perhaps this wasn't the day that you saw the cloud. Looking at the observations across the Sydney region for March 25th, there didn't seem to be any wind change or pressure drop which would be indicative of a morning glory. Also, the small temperature difference during the day on the 24th to the morning of the 25th are not conducive to morning glory formation. So, perhaps some of those pictures Jimmy posted, but visible in the morning, _may_ be what you saw. Checking the previous Sunday 18th March, and judging by the mean sea level charts, there also would have been cloud present that morning. However, I can't judge the conditions for this day as the data is in an unreadable format ready to be written to CD, doh! Cheers On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, John Dryden wrote: > Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really > subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look > upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However I > would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I > witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and > was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning Glory"? > I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about 4.30am(typical > amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue > Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I > posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be greatly > appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks otherwise. > > thanks in advance > JD & PS > > > -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: "Aussie Weather Mail List" , "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:50:28 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It seems that there is some potential for this system. Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement will be the key. Paul. BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY Northern Territory Region Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001 TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea... Location........near 6.4S 136.2E ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy Central pressure: 1008 hPa Recent movement : slowly towards the W DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL Next 24h : low 24-48 h : low 48-72 h : moderate NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical cyclone development within each 24 hour period... LOW = 10% or less MODERATE = 20% - 40% HIGH = 50% or more. REMARKS A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to move westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop. DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p218-tnt2.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.130.218] claimed to be zaphodws From: "John Dryden" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:18:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy No it was actually pre-dawn, it was pretty dark but you could see it very clearly, hence the reason I did not photograph it, pillow was more important! I really don't know what colour it was, I guess it was lighter than the night sky, so we could see it. It wasnt' dark and stormy looking, you could tell it was going to be a nice day type of thing, the rest of the sky was really clear, it was like someone had swept all the clouds together in a neat line across the sky. It also looked like it was rolling up the sky, which made sense when John said it was part of a thermal updraft that gliders ride like a wave? I just thought he was nuts and went back to sleep. The first three photos below are nothing like it at all, the bottom one is not really either, it is only similar due to the dark bank cloud bottom left, but it's not straight enough or long enough and the rest of the sky is cloudy as well looking like it is going to storm or has, whereas what we saw was very long whispy upwards, but a definite thick bank with a completely flat straight edge. It was very beatiful indeed which makes me keep thinking about it, oh well... I'll be sure to get the camera out next time! Sorry to waste your time Philisity -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 2:11 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Hi Philisity, I take it you mean 4:30pm. Was the day rainy or did it rain later? Was it white in colour with darker clouds above or grayer with light clouds above or perhaps blue sky I am thinking? http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0713jd02.jpg http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0929jd01.jpg http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0929jd02.jpg This is the type of weather I recorded on the 25th March 2001, the date you suggested. So I assume this cloud was a whitish looking long band probably developing as light winds changed to SE or E and moved inland. The moisture around that day because of the light rain allowed for the low cloud to develop. I assume the cloud you saw was something like this: http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1998/0819jd01.jpg What do you think? Jimmy Deguara At 01:18 PM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy > >Thanks for replying. > >We think it was Sunday the 25th March 4.30am. (Although it could of been the >previous Sunday but we don't think so) > >I decided to see if John was right and check the web, (surely some other >strange person was up a that time and saw it?), I found this web site >http://www.dropbears.com/brough/images.htm and the cloud looked very very >similar, as John said it ran from North to south and was travelling east to >west. I then came across your web site and the pics of shelf clouds, which >are also similar but all appear a bit too fluffy? (good technical word), it >was completely flat and straight on the bottom and looked to me like it was >being gust or rolled upwards? I could kick myself I didn't get the camera >out! >I have looked at the catalogue and the attached one is the only one similar, >but it was much more spectacular and straight, with no other clouds in the >sky, which amazed me. > >Are these "morning glories" really rare? Have they been seen around here >before? I guess we will just forever wonder what we saw. > >Also do you have any tips on good vantage points for lightning photography? >I attempted to take some shots a while ago, there was (well I thought) a >great shot of lightning hitting a building, but unfortunately it was so >small most didn't notice it! > >Thanks >Philisity Dryden > > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara >Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 8:38 AM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami > > >Hi John, > >I live nearby at Schofields. I am trying to think when and what your cloud >looked like... > >Was the following the day: 21/03/01 > >"Spectacular sunrise. Altocumulus cover with altostratus.\\\ Cloud >increased with some rain. This cleared with rain band to E and NE. Some >castellanus persisted behind the cloud mass. Cloud from the NNW. Warm day." > >Was it during the afternoon or morning etc etc. > >Jimmy Deguara > >At 04:04 AM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really > >subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look > >upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However > >I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I > >witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and > >was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning > >Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about > >4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly > >broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else > >see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be > >greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks > >otherwise. > > > >thanks in advance > >JD & PS > > > > > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p218-tnt2.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.130.218] claimed to be zaphodws From: "John Dryden" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:19:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Robert Nope he wasn't exactly star-gazing, to explain I'll have to tell you how silly he is, he listens to English football live over the net, mad Birmingham supporter, and that morning the game finished about 4am, so after that he went outside to check the sky out and noticed this cloud, then very kindly woke me up to look at it, this is how amazing it looked, I'm not very happy when I am woken up at such a time in the morning. We should of paid more attention to the date & taken a photo, but we just sort of went on about normal business, but I just couldn't stop thinking about it. We tried to remember by looking at the football games and we are pretty sure it was this Sunday morning, but the weekend before there was a game same time, so it could of been the 18th but I didn't think it was that long ago. We are not very good weather watchers are we? I won't hesitate to photograph anything unusual next time, it will make life a lot easier! Thanks for checking into it for us, Philisity -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Robert Goler Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 3:15 PM To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Hi John and Philisity Just checking through my weather archives, were you actually doing some astronomical observing on this morning? The satellite imagery shows very extensive high cloud cover during the 24/25. So, if you were doing some observing, then perhaps this wasn't the day that you saw the cloud. Looking at the observations across the Sydney region for March 25th, there didn't seem to be any wind change or pressure drop which would be indicative of a morning glory. Also, the small temperature difference during the day on the 24th to the morning of the 25th are not conducive to morning glory formation. So, perhaps some of those pictures Jimmy posted, but visible in the morning, _may_ be what you saw. Checking the previous Sunday 18th March, and judging by the mean sea level charts, there also would have been cloud present that morning. However, I can't judge the conditions for this day as the data is in an unreadable format ready to be written to CD, doh! Cheers On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, John Dryden wrote: > Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really > subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look > upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However I > would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I > witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and > was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning Glory"? > I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about 4.30am(typical > amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue > Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I > posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be greatly > appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks otherwise. > > thanks in advance > JD & PS > > > -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: I am that "weather weenie". Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:01:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com David Where do we all get one of these ? They will sell like hot cakes (pardon the pun). Can you imagine the latest sat pic on toast ! Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hart" To: "undernet-weather mailing list" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: aus-wx: For the weather-weenie who has everything > Thought it was a joke when I heard about it on the radio, but it seems to > be for real: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1264000/1264205.stm > > > Anyone for Toast and Java? > > > David Hart (Netdave) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:11:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Paul Yes this looks quite interesting on the latest sat pics - this one looks like it could be a genuine twin with the low due north. JTWC has potential development of both systems as poor at this stage, but that is usually no sign that development will not occur. Most TC's start off with a poor prog from JTWC. Not worthy of mention at JTWC as yet, but keep watching the area between Vanuatu and Fiji. Very very early days, but conditions look quite favourable in this area for the formation of a depression of some description. Who knows after this, bearing in mind it is quite late in the season now Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: "Aussie Weather Mail List" ; "Aussie Weather" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... > It seems that there is some potential for this system. > > Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement will > be the key. > > Paul. > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > Northern Territory Region > Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST > Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN > at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001 > TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea... > Location........near 6.4S 136.2E > ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy > Central pressure: 1008 hPa > Recent movement : slowly towards the W > > DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL > Next 24h : low > 24-48 h : low > 48-72 h : moderate > NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical > cyclone development within each 24 hour period... > LOW = 10% or less MODERATE = 20% - 40% HIGH = 50% or more. > REMARKS > A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to move > westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop. > DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:07:05 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id EAA13551 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Philisity and all I'd doubt the 18/3/01, because a substantial low east of Gabo Island was giving southwesterlies over Sydney with only patchy cloud. However, my archived IR satpics for 12 to 18 UTC 24/03/01 (10pm 24/03/01 to 4am 25/03/01) have been helpful. A very weak prefrontal trough passed across Sydney sometime around dawn -- the front itself washed out later in the day on the south coast. However, there is a clear though discontinuous ropeline cloud visible on the 12UTC IR image, lying from off the coast south of Moruya NW to around Nyngan, marking the clearing edge of the cloudmass covering all of the NE half of NSW at the time. This has become absorbed into the cloudmass by 16UTC, and the clearing edge stalled around Jervis Bay around this time. However, the feature may have retained its integrity and moved into the main cloudmass, as there is evidence of a ropeline cloud extending SE from the Illawarra coast and moving NE until the 18UTC pic. Sunday 25 March was the morning that EDST changed back to EST, so 1800UTC was 4am EST. I think this was the cloud feature you saw, and that it was somehow mechanically induced by the upper wind change with the trough. I haven't looked at the surface obs, but the surface chart suggests the winds would have been light and variable, and that the general cloud cover would have kept temps pretty uniform. I doubt that a true Morning Glory type of mechanism -- i.e. a gravity wave -- would have been operating, but some sort of dynamic wave generated by the trough would have been responsible. Laurier On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:19:48 +1000, "John Dryden" wrote: >Hello Robert >Nope he wasn't exactly star-gazing, to explain I'll have to tell you how >silly he is, he listens to English football live over the net, mad >Birmingham supporter, and that morning the game finished about 4am, so after >that he went outside to check the sky out and noticed this cloud, then very >kindly woke me up to look at it, this is how amazing it looked, I'm not very >happy when I am woken up at such a time in the morning. We should of paid >more attention to the date & taken a photo, but we just sort of went on >about normal business, but I just couldn't stop thinking about it. We tried >to remember by looking at the football games and we are pretty sure it was >this Sunday morning, but the weekend before there was a game same time, so >it could of been the 18th but I didn't think it was that long ago. We are >not very good weather watchers are we? I won't hesitate to photograph >anything unusual next time, it will make life a lot easier! >Thanks for checking into it for us, >Philisity > > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Robert Goler >Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 3:15 PM >To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami > > > >Hi John and Philisity > >Just checking through my weather archives, were you actually doing some >astronomical observing on this morning? The satellite imagery shows very >extensive high cloud cover during the 24/25. So, if you were doing some >observing, then perhaps this wasn't the day that you saw the cloud. > >Looking at the observations across the Sydney region for March 25th, there >didn't seem to be any wind change or pressure drop which would be >indicative of a morning glory. Also, the small temperature difference >during the day on the 24th to the morning of the 25th are not conducive >to morning glory formation. So, perhaps some of those pictures Jimmy >posted, but visible in the morning, _may_ be what you saw. > >Checking the previous Sunday 18th March, and judging by the mean sea level >charts, there also would have been cloud present that morning. However, I >can't judge the conditions for this day as the data is in an unreadable >format ready to be written to CD, doh! > > >Cheers > >On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, John Dryden wrote: > >> Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really >> subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look >> upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However >I >> would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I >> witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and >> was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning >Glory"? >> I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about 4.30am(typical >> amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue >> Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I >> posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be greatly >> appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks otherwise. >> >> thanks in advance >> JD & PS >> >> >> > >-- > >Robert A. Goler > >E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > >Department of Mathematics and Statistics >Monash University >Clayton, Vic 3800 >Australia +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:21:06 +1000 From: Keith Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: For the weather-weenie who has everything Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com So we can't have our weather and eat it too? And if we get indigestion, will a severe wind warning be issued...? In the event of a rumbling tummy, I hope provision has been made for thunder down under.... David Hart wrote: > > Heard about this on the radio and thought it was a joke, but it seems to > be real. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1264000/1264205.stm > > Toast and Java anyone? > > -David Hart- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:37:58 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: aus-wx: Wx pages mentioned in the Sunday Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I was looking through the Perth newspaper the Sunday times today, and to my surprise came an article titled, "Watch the weather", it talked about weather sites on the internet, and mentioned my site, JJ's Karratha site, Ira's page plus a few eastern states pages, including Michael Bath's and Jimmy Deguara's Australian Severe Weather site, Laurier Williams' site and also Michael Thompson's storm chase diary. I've scanned it, and put it up temporally on my geocities account, at: http://www.geocities.com/westernaust/sundaytimes.jpg The scan is on a bit of an angle, but you can read it easy enough. Jacob +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p326-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.72] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:03:34 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wx pages mentioned in the Sunday Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jacob and all, Looks as though there is confusion in the article between ASWA and ASW.... Well, they can eventually find the Australian Severe Weather Association from our site. Jimmy Deguara At 04:37 PM 15/04/01 +0800, you wrote: >I was looking through the Perth newspaper the Sunday times today, and to my >surprise came an article titled, "Watch the weather", it talked about >weather sites on the internet, and mentioned my site, JJ's Karratha site, >Ira's page plus a few eastern states pages, including Michael Bath's and >Jimmy Deguara's Australian Severe Weather site, Laurier Williams' site and >also Michael Thompson's storm chase diary. > >I've scanned it, and put it up temporally on my geocities account, at: > >http://www.geocities.com/westernaust/sundaytimes.jpg > >The scan is on a bit of an angle, but you can read it easy enough. > >Jacob > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p326-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.72] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:01:46 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wx pages mentioned in the Sunday Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jacob, Interesting about that. The author is the same person who wrote an article about myself and ASWA in the Australian - perhaps he felt guilty he never included URL's in that article. Oh well interesting article. At least we don't follow porn..... Jimmy Deguara At 04:37 PM 15/04/01 +0800, you wrote: >I was looking through the Perth newspaper the Sunday times today, and to my >surprise came an article titled, "Watch the weather", it talked about >weather sites on the internet, and mentioned my site, JJ's Karratha site, >Ira's page plus a few eastern states pages, including Michael Bath's and >Jimmy Deguara's Australian Severe Weather site, Laurier Williams' site and >also Michael Thompson's storm chase diary. > >I've scanned it, and put it up temporally on my geocities account, at: > >http://www.geocities.com/westernaust/sundaytimes.jpg > >The scan is on a bit of an angle, but you can read it easy enough. > >Jacob > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p326-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.72] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:09:37 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: More articles in spectrum Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com http://www.smh.com.au/news/0104/13/spectrum/spectrum1.html ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:12:40 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wx pages mentioned in the Sunday Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, I just realised that, but hopefully as you say, people can find it through your ASW page. Jacob At 07:03 PM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jacob and all, > >Looks as though there is confusion in the article between ASWA and ASW.... > >Well, they can eventually find the Australian Severe Weather Association >from our site. > >Jimmy Deguara > >At 04:37 PM 15/04/01 +0800, you wrote: > >>I was looking through the Perth newspaper the Sunday times today, and to my >>surprise came an article titled, "Watch the weather", it talked about >>weather sites on the internet, and mentioned my site, JJ's Karratha site, >>Ira's page plus a few eastern states pages, including Michael Bath's and >>Jimmy Deguara's Australian Severe Weather site, Laurier Williams' site and >>also Michael Thompson's storm chase diary. >> >>I've scanned it, and put it up temporally on my geocities account, at: >> >>http://www.geocities.com/westernaust/sundaytimes.jpg >> >>The scan is on a bit of an angle, but you can read it easy enough. >> >>Jacob >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Upper low Vic. Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:53:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2001 10:52:57.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B2FAEB0:01C0C59A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Hard to find any mention of the upper low over Victoria today,but its better than clear sky's some nice thick cirrus and even some alto cu which looked good in the sunset, also the weak area of convergence is persisting north of the NT been there on and off for the past few days,at last though the baric ridge across southern Australia is starting to weaken which should start to allow better frontal activity across south-eastern Aus this week. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upper low Vic. Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:28:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Interesting how, as this low has progressed towards the east through the day, the cloudband associated with it has thickened & expanded & radar now has rain falling from it, except that none of the AWS' is reporting anything - virga perhaps? I found some rather useful charts from the BoM today - but you will need to turn yourselves sidewarys - they are the analysis charts for 850, 700, 500 & 250hPa levels!! (links are in that order below) http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81201 http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81202 http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81203 http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81205 I've also linked them on the MSC Cafe page at http://www.stormchasers.au.com Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi all. > Hard to find any mention of the upper low over Victoria today,but its better > than clear sky's some nice thick cirrus and even some alto cu which looked > good in the sunset, also the weak area of convergence is persisting north of > the NT been there on and off for the past few days,at last though the baric > ridge across southern Australia is starting to weaken which should start to > allow better frontal activity across south-eastern Aus this week. regards > Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:11:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2001 12:11:17.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C602CB0:01C0C5A5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie. Sorry once a driver, always a driver!!!.best wishes Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussie To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather) > I'll put my hand up. I'm guilty as charged as well. Well ex driver anyway > :-) > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Gaul" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:21 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather) > > > > At 10:54 14/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me > > >some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The > track > > >I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old > > >Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other > is > > >being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards > > >Clyve Herbert. > > > > > > > Hi Clyve, > > Are you a loco driver?? > > I was a locoEngineer driving locos and trains for NZR now TranzRail here > > in New Zealand for 27 years taking 'early retirement ' in 1996. Based here > > in Christchurch,it was driving trains through the Southern Alps to the > West > > Coast seeing all sorts of weather phenomana that gave me my interest in > > weather/meteorology. > > Are there any other train/loco drivers on this list? > > > > > > JohnGaul > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upper low Vic. Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:09:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2001 12:09:04.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD1FEFA0:01C0C5A4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Its interesting to see a small vorticity centre spinning up just west of King Is at 2200hrs,this small area of vorticity is only about 50klm across and is above 500 hpa appears to be moving east southeast, a small rain band has started up near Mortlake with 10 to 20mm/hr now showing up,the area of high cloud across Vic appears to be High level baroclinic activity associated with the upper low. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upper low Vic. > Interesting how, as this low has progressed towards the east through the > day, the cloudband associated with it has thickened & expanded & radar > now has rain falling from it, except that none of the AWS' is reporting > anything - virga perhaps? > > I found some rather useful charts from the BoM today - but you will need > to turn yourselves sidewarys - they are the analysis charts for 850, > 700, 500 & 250hPa levels!! (links are in that order below) > > http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81201 > http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81202 > http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81203 > http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81205 > > I've also linked them on the MSC Cafe page at > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > Hi all. > > Hard to find any mention of the upper low over Victoria today,but its > better > > than clear sky's some nice thick cirrus and even some alto cu which > looked > > good in the sunset, also the weak area of convergence is persisting > north of > > the NT been there on and off for the past few days,at last though the > baric > > ridge across southern Australia is starting to weaken which should > start to > > allow better frontal activity across south-eastern Aus this week. > regards > > Clyve H. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo: stuff. Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:27:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2001 22:27:10.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[36103970:01C0C5FB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Haven't heard much talk about the tropical disturbance north of the top end of the NT, this system is showing much better upper divergence this morning.Seems to be in a somewhat unusually low latitude to have such nicely developed outflow spiral arms, this region is well worth keeping a close look at.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:57:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I remember as a fireman back in the early eighties coming through a real hum dinger of a storm with about 40 loaded fuel tankers with the lightning hitting trees etc all around us. That was a bit scary considering the amount of fuel that used to slosh out of the top of the old tankers. The "oily" as we used to call it. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropical Low looks good for further development Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:24:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
All
 
That tropical low located in the northern Arafura Sea is looking increasingly impressive and looks capable of fairly rapid development. 
 
The other two areas I have been observing don't appear to be up to much, although JTWC has upgraded to northern hemisphere low to fair prospects of further development over the next 24 hours.  
 
Meanwhile, its been a long time since I can recall a developing tropical low this far north of the Northern Territory (quasi stationary at present), but looks likely to go to the south west to start with.
 
 
Keep watching closely.
Simon
 
From: "Les Crossan" To: , "Jane ONeill" Subject: aus-wx: Geostorms??? Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:41:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
An Ozzie posted this up on usw:
 
*snip*
 
On our newsbroadcasts recently they forcast some "geostorms" which I think are caused by the sun. They said the southern lights would be able to be seen as far north as Sydney. ( usually they are only seen as far as Melbourne, if that.) Can anyone please tell me what are these Geostorms? I've never heard of them before.

*snip*
 
Presumably they're taklking about aurora australis??? Certainly they've been good this year in the northern hemi.
 
Les
 
 
Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
UK Storm Chasers,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W
www.uksevereweather.org.uk
 
From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,... Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:36:29 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Is that via SMS? Nothing much in the obs, i can't comment on the front - i'm not that good, some rain areas around mornington peninsula. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,... Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:37:26 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Monday 16 April 2001 10:06, you wrote: > no net access, what's wx doing in Uic? How's Weds front look? Current obs > FTG 15.8C, early rain, Ac now clearing, sms on 0419113812 Front looks good on the sat images. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: Twin Systems Phenomena Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:19:59 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Howdy all - seems the "twin systems" phenomena is occurring again. The Low N of us has impressive outflow with convection now starting to wrap inwards and a great cirrus shield on top. The Low is located in a low shear environ as the ridge starts to break down. Could be very interesting couple of days. BOM here still suggest movement to the West. Seems most likely scenario unless something further south pushes those massive highs further south. Any thoughts? . WESTERN NORTH PACIFIC AREA (180 TO MALAY PENINSULA): A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: (1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 3.0N3 137.0E1, IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 5.0N5 138.5E7, APPROXIMATELY 250 NM SOUTHEAST OF PALAU. ENHANCED INFRARED SATELLITE ANIMATION DEPICT AN INCREASE IN THE OVERALL ORGANIZATION OF THE CONVECTION, ALTHOUGH THE CONVECTION IS SHEARED TO THE NORTHWEST OF A LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). SYNOPTIC DATA REVEALS A LLCC SITUATED ON A MONSOON TROUGH. THE 200 MB ANALYSIS INDICATES THE AREA IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF THE UPPER LEVEL RIDGE AXIS IN AN AREA OF GOOD DIFFLUENCE AND MODERATE SHEAR. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED AT 1006 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO FAIR. (2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS. 2. WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (180 WEST TO 135 EAST): A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: (1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 6.7S3 136.2E2 HAS REMAINED QUASI-STATIONARY. INFRARED SATELLITE ANIMATION DEPICTS IMPROVED ORGANIZATION DURING THE PAST COUPLE OF HOURS. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY REVEALS IMPRESSIVE OUTFLOW OVER THE WEST SEMI-CIRCLE OF THE SYSTEM. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 18 TO 22 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED AT 1006 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS REMAINS FAIR. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:32:25 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Twin Systems Phenomena Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul and All. >Howdy all - seems the "twin systems" phenomena is occurring again. The Low N >of us has impressive outflow with convection now starting to wrap inwards >and a great cirrus shield on top. The Low is located in a low shear environ >as the ridge starts to break down. Could be very interesting couple of days. > >BOM here still suggest movement to the West. Seems most likely scenario >unless something further south pushes those massive highs further south. > >Any thoughts? JTWC has upgraded their opinion of the Arafura Sea system by issuing a TCFA, pasted below. They also say it is moving W. Regards, Carl. >WTPS21 PGTW 160100 >RMKS/ >1. IMMEDIATE DELIVERY REQ TO AMEMBASSY PORT MORESBY >2. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN >160 NM EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 8.1S9 136.8E8 TO 8.8S6 131.1E6 >WITHIN THE NEXT 06 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY >ISSUANCE OF NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME. >WINDS IN THE AREA ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 20 TO 25 KNOTS. METSAT >IMAGERY AT 152330Z4 INDICATES THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS >LOCATED NEAR 8.3S1 135.7E6. THE SYSTEM IS MOVING WESTWARD AT 02 >KNOTS. >3. REMARKS: >THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 6.7S3 136.2E2, IN THE >ARAFURA SEA, HAS CONTINUED TO ORGANIZE OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS AND IS >NOW LOCATED NEAR 8.3S1 135.7E6. RECENT VISIBLE IMAGERY REVEALS >BANDS OF STRONG CONVECTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE SYSTEM AND CYCLONIC >TURNING. RECENT MICROWAVE AND SCATTEROMETER DATA INDICATE A LOW >LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC) ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONVECTION. UW- >CIMSS VERTICAL WIND SHEAR PRODUCTS INDICATE THE SYSTEM IS UNDER WEAK >TO MODERATE VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND BENEATH THE UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE >AXIS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED AT 1004 MB THE >POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE >WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO GOOD. >4. THIS ALERT WILL BE REISSUED, UPGRADED TO WARNING OR CANCELLED BY >170100Z9.// +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Karratha Weather" To: Subject: aus-wx: TC Alistair soon ? :) (javachat) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:36:02 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Looking at the latest imagery of the Low NE of Darwin it looks like it is intensifying quite rapidly. I think we could have TC # 8 of the AU season by tonight early tomorrow :)
 
 
Look out Paul ! Here comes Alistair :D
 
One last hooray for the 00/01 Season !!!!!!! whoohooo
 
For those of you who want to discuss The Low north of the NT or any other weather and you don't have mIRC - you can visit #weather via  the java chat which we have on our weather site at javachat.karrathaweather.org hope to see some of you there ! :)
 
Regards
 
JJ
 
Karratha W.A
 
ICQ 6187498
 
 
 
From: "Karratha Weather" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Alistair soon ? :) (javachat) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:49:27 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
if the javachat doesn't connect on the server port setting of 7000 change it to 6667 and it should work :)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:36 PM
Subject: aus-wx: TC Alistair soon ? :) (javachat)

Hi all
 
Looking at the latest imagery of the Low NE of Darwin it looks like it is intensifying quite rapidly. I think we could have TC # 8 of the AU season by tonight early tomorrow :)
 
 
Look out Paul ! Here comes Alistair :D
 
One last hooray for the 00/01 Season !!!!!!! whoohooo
 
For those of you who want to discuss The Low north of the NT or any other weather and you don't have mIRC - you can visit #weather via  the java chat which we have on our weather site at javachat.karrathaweather.org hope to see some of you there ! :)
 
Regards
 
JJ
 
Karratha W.A
 
ICQ 6187498
 
 
 
From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,... Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:15:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day all, I'm working on a new web site for my local area. I've tried to keep the page simple as its mostly for Sydney folk and locals (and weather folk from this list,of course) who want to know about current and prospective weather in Blackheath and the Blue Mountains, especially during winter. It's not a technical site, there's plenty of those around, more a place to post my snow pics during winter and report other significant weather events, as they occur. I hope to soon visit the Gazette archives (our local paper) to write up some snow events from the past, too. Anyway, if you want to check it out and send some constructive comments my way, its at: http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/Blackhth.htm Cheers, Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Harris" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney? Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:44:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sydney wmo station id 94767 I look on the archive synops at the max/min and rainfall for this location, but it seems to unreliable with transmitting the data. Is there another 'more reliable' location for Sydney I could use from the synops. wmo id No.? Many thanks Keith (Southend) ************************************************** A member of COL situated 3 miles NW of Southend-on-Sea centre. at 15m a.s.l. in Essex. COL No. 36052 TQ ************************************************** keith.r.e.harris at btinternet.com ICQ#50571585 mIRC Snow_SE Join us in #ukweather on Austnet for a chat. Down load Mirc to chat at: http://www.mirc.co.uk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney? Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:09:12 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id GAA27967 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Keith, you could try 94768, which is the central Sydney site at Observatory Hill. In my experience, though, 94767, Sydney Airport, is pretty reliable. What source are you using for the max/min and rainfall? Laurier On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:44:26 +0100, "Keith Harris" wrote: >Sydney wmo station id 94767 > >I look on the archive synops at the max/min and rainfall for this location, >but it seems to unreliable with transmitting the data. Is there another >'more reliable' location for Sydney I could use from the synops. wmo id No.? > >Many thanks > >Keith (Southend) > >************************************************** >A member of COL situated 3 miles NW of >Southend-on-Sea centre. at 15m a.s.l. in >Essex. >COL No. 36052 TQ >************************************************** > >keith.r.e.harris at btinternet.com >ICQ#50571585 >mIRC Snow_SE >Join us in #ukweather on Austnet for a chat. >Down load Mirc to chat at: >http://www.mirc.co.uk > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:24:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 10:24:22.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[6723B500:01C0C65F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul. This tropical system is now looking very nice and appears to be drifting towards the southwest , the upper divergence is very good but low level convergence could be better,this tropical low started I believe north of 5 degrees south and at last call was still north of 7 degrees sth, this is a long way north of normally maturing TC's but not unknown,at the moment I would be a little concerned for coastal areas north of Darwin and even for the Darwin district. regards Clyve Herbert, ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mossman To: Aussie Weather Mail List ; Aussie Weather Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... > It seems that there is some potential for this system. > > Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement will > be the key. > > Paul. > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > Northern Territory Region > Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST > Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN > at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001 > TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea... > Location........near 6.4S 136.2E > ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy > Central pressure: 1008 hPa > Recent movement : slowly towards the W > > DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL > Next 24h : low > 24-48 h : low > 48-72 h : moderate > NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical > cyclone development within each 24 hour period... > LOW = 10% or less MODERATE = 20% - 40% HIGH = 50% or more. > REMARKS > A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to move > westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop. > DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:31:48 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com JTWC has it now as TC 20S or something, not just a low or whatever. Matt Smith clyve herbert wrote: > Hi Paul. > This tropical system is now looking very nice and appears to be drifting > towards the southwest , the upper divergence is very good but low level > convergence could be better,this tropical low started I believe north of 5 > degrees south and at last call was still north of 7 degrees sth, this is a > long way north of normally maturing TC's but not unknown,at the moment I > would be a little concerned for coastal areas north of Darwin and even for > the Darwin district. regards Clyve Herbert, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mossman > To: Aussie Weather Mail List ; Aussie > Weather > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... > > > It seems that there is some potential for this system. > > > > Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement > will > > be the key. > > > > Paul. > > > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > > Northern Territory Region > > Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre > > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > > FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST > > Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN > > at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001 > > TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea... > > Location........near 6.4S 136.2E > > ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy > > Central pressure: 1008 hPa > > Recent movement : slowly towards the W > > > > DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL > > Next 24h : low > > 24-48 h : low > > 48-72 h : moderate > > NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical > > cyclone development within each 24 hour period... > > LOW = 10% or less MODERATE = 20% - 40% HIGH = 50% or more. > > REMARKS > > A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to > move > > westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop. > > DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Tropical low Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:44:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Interesting water vapour image (0931Z - 0731AEST) of the tropical low...... http://207.133.112.37/cgi-bin/show.pl?sat+aust+wv+auwv20011060931.jpg From the Darwin BoM..... SITUATION At 0600 UTC Tropical Low 1002 hPa centred within 60 nautical miles of 8.0 S 134.5 E moving west-southwest at 05 knots. The low may develop into a tropical cyclone in the next 18-24 hours. By the way - keep your eyes on that patch of moisture in the centre of Australia associated with another upper level low.....it would be nice to see it down here - I've discovered that Lake Eildon actually has a creek bed in the middle of it - I've never seen that before, & a number of the irrigation channels in northern Victoria are almost dry!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 16 Apr 01 21:42:36 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geostorms??? Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Les! 15 Apr 01 23:41, you wrote to All: LC> think are caused by the sun. They said the southern lights would be LC> able = to be seen as far north as Sydney. ( usually they are only seen LC> as far = as Melbourne, if that.) Can anyone please tell me what are LC> these = Geostorms? I've never heard of them before. LC> LC> *snip* LC> LC> Presumably they're taklking about aurora australis??? Certainly LC> they've = been good this year in the northern hemi. Yes, it is the aurora. Just a short summary. :-) Geomagnetic storms and aurora are caused by the collision of plasma from the Sun with the earth's magnetic field. It starts with sunspots, which carry powerful magnetic fields on the Sun's surface. When a field collapses, it releases energy in the form of a solar flare. At the same time, millions of tons of plasma is hurled out from the Sun. If the Earth happens to be in the firing line of this cloud, it hits Earth's magnetic field, causing fluctuations in the field strength (which leads to lard low frequency currents to be induced in powerlines and pipelines). Most of the plasma is deflected around the Earth, but some of it becomes trapped and is directed towards the poles, where it is seen as aurora when it collides with atmosheric gases. This ionised cloud also has radio reflecting properties, which is most readily observed in the 20-70 MHz range, but has been observed over 200 MHz on a severe aurora. Auroral radio reflections are distinctive, due to severe Doppler shift on reflected signals. Signals reflected by aurora sound a bit like the Borg from Star Trek! :) For more info on geomagnic storms and space weather, see http://www.spaceweather.com and http://www.ips.gov.au Tony, VK3JED .. please direct all flames to my alternate account, dev.null :-) -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tropical low Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:41:36 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all - latest JTWC advice. B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: (1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 6.7S3 136.2E2 IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 7.3S0 134.8E6 OVER THE ARAFURA SEA AND IS THE SUBJECT OF A TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION ALERT (SEE REF A WTPS21 PGTW 160100 FOR FURTHER DETAILS). MULTI-SPECTRAL AND A 160012Z0 SSM/I PASS DEPICT A DEVELOPING BANDING FEATURE EXTENDING TOWARD THE LLCC FROM THE SOUTHEAST AND INCREASING COVERAGE OF DEEP CONVECTION NEAR THE CENTER. ALTHOUGH THIS EVENINGS 200 MB ANAL SHOWS THE UPPER RIDGE AXIS POSITIONED SOUTH OF THE LLCC, DIFFLUENT FLOW OVER THE ARAFURA SEA IS CAUSE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 20 TO 25 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED AT 1004 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS GOOD. (2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS. High cloud now covers us - with some patchy rain. Winds are still quite light. Paul +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geostorms??? Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:13:43 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Cheers- posting to usw rite away.... Les Les Crossan & Christine Challen, UK Storm Chasers, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W www.uksevereweather.org.uk Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geostorms??? > > Hello Les! > > 15 Apr 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > LC> think are caused by the sun. They said the southern lights would be > LC> able = to be seen as far north as Sydney. ( usually they are only seen > LC> as far = as Melbourne, if that.) Can anyone please tell me what are > LC> these = Geostorms? I've never heard of them before. > LC> > LC> *snip* > LC> > LC> Presumably they're taklking about aurora australis??? Certainly > LC> they've = been good this year in the northern hemi. > > Yes, it is the aurora. > > Just a short summary. :-) > > Geomagnetic storms and aurora are caused by the collision of plasma from the > Sun with the earth's magnetic field. > > It starts with sunspots, which carry powerful magnetic fields on the Sun's > surface. When a field collapses, it releases energy in the form of a solar > flare. At the same time, millions of tons of plasma is hurled out from the > Sun. > > If the Earth happens to be in the firing line of this cloud, it hits Earth's > magnetic field, causing fluctuations in the field strength (which leads to lard > low frequency currents to be induced in powerlines and pipelines). Most of the > plasma is deflected around the Earth, but some of it becomes trapped and is > directed towards the poles, where it is seen as aurora when it collides with > atmosheric gases. > > > This ionised cloud also has radio reflecting properties, which is most readily > observed in the 20-70 MHz range, but has been observed over 200 MHz on a severe > aurora. Auroral radio reflections are distinctive, due to severe Doppler shift > on reflected signals. Signals reflected by aurora sound a bit like the Borg > from Star Trek! :) > > For more info on geomagnic storms and space weather, see > http://www.spaceweather.com and http://www.ips.gov.au > > Tony, VK3JED > > .. please direct all flames to my alternate account, dev.null :-) > -- > |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 > |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au > | > | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:53:14 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:57 16/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >I remember as a fireman back in the early eighties coming through a real hum >dinger of a storm with about 40 loaded fuel tankers with the lightning >hitting trees etc all around us. That was a bit scary considering the amount >of fuel that used to slosh out of the top of the old tankers. The "oily" as >we used to call it. >Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) That's nothing. I can remember coming down from Arthurs Pass in a heavy NW thunderstorm back in Jan 1992 when a blinding bolt of lightning struck the rail and extended outways just B4 I passed over it with 2 "DC" locos and 13 loaded CB coal wagons of 910 tonnes. The track circuited signalling went out not long after and the next morning the local ganger reported a 2cmgap in the rail where the lightning had struck. As I was doing 80km/h over the piece of track at the time with a bunched train in dynamic brake (down hill grade) was probably why the train went successfully over the gap. Any slower a flang of a wheel could of dislodged a wagon! A temporary repair and speed restriction over the affected rail the next day meant no holdup for train services including the famous Trans Alpine express John Gaul ex-Train/loco driver NZR now founder of the NZ Thunderstruck Society - more than being thunderstruck! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:54:46 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve - thanks for this! Brilliant! Though people think I am strange for wishing a TC - the feeling of being near or in one is unbelievable....... Like supercell storm chasing except it lasts much longer! Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of clyve herbert Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:55 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... Hi Paul. This tropical system is now looking very nice and appears to be drifting towards the southwest , the upper divergence is very good but low level convergence could be better,this tropical low started I believe north of 5 degrees south and at last call was still north of 7 degrees sth, this is a long way north of normally maturing TC's but not unknown,at the moment I would be a little concerned for coastal areas north of Darwin and even for the Darwin district. regards Clyve Herbert, ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mossman To: Aussie Weather Mail List ; Aussie Weather Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... > It seems that there is some potential for this system. > > Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement will > be the key. > > Paul. > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > Northern Territory Region > Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST > Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN > at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001 > TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea... > Location........near 6.4S 136.2E > ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy > Central pressure: 1008 hPa > Recent movement : slowly towards the W > > DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL > Next 24h : low > 24-48 h : low > 48-72 h : moderate > NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical > cyclone development within each 24 hour period... > LOW = 10% or less MODERATE = 20% - 40% HIGH = 50% or more. > REMARKS > A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to move > westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop. > DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 16 Apr 01 21:49:59 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geostorms??? Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Les! 15 Apr 01 23:41, you wrote to All: LC> think are caused by the sun. They said the southern lights would be LC> able = to be seen as far north as Sydney. ( usually they are only seen LC> as far = as Melbourne, if that.) Can anyone please tell me what are LC> these = Geostorms? I've never heard of them before. LC> LC> *snip* LC> LC> Presumably they're taklking about aurora australis??? Certainly LC> they've = been good this year in the northern hemi. Yes, it is the aurora. Just a short summary. :-) Geomagnetic storms and aurora are caused by the collision of plasma from the Sun with the earth's magnetic field. It starts with sunspots, which carry powerful magnetic fields on the Sun's surface. When a field collapses, it releases energy in the form of a solar flare. At the same time, millions of tons of plasma is hurled out from the Sun. If the Earth happens to be in the firing line of this cloud, it hits Earth's magnetic field, causing fluctuations in the field strength (which leads to lard low frequency currents to be induced in powerlines and pipelines). Most of the plasma is deflected around the Earth, but some of it becomes trapped and is directed towards the poles, where it is seen as aurora when it collides with atmosheric gases. This ionised cloud also has radio reflecting properties, which is most readily observed in the 20-70 MHz range, but has been observed on frequencies over 200 MHz on a severe aurora. Auroral radio reflections are distinctive, due to severe Doppler shift on reflected signals. Signals reflected by aurora sound a bit like the Borg from Star Trek! :) For more info on geomagnic storms and space weather, see http://www.spaceweather.com and http://www.ips.gov.au I did have a URL with samples of aurora reflected signals, but will have to look that one up... Tony, VK3JED .. please direct all flames to my alternate account, dev.null :-) -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Alistair soon ? :) (javachat) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:53:01 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id IAA08364 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/ gets you to a directory of hourly/half hourly vis images, + the latest. http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/ir1km/ does the same for enhanced IR http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/ir1km_bw/ does the same for ordinary IR Laurier On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:36:02 +0800, "Karratha Weather" wrote: >Hi all > >Looking at the latest imagery of the Low NE of Darwin it looks like it is intensifying quite rapidly. I think we could have TC # 8 of the AU season by tonight early tomorrow :) > >Latest VIS 0424UTC http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_thumbs/sm20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg >Large image: http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg >IR: http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsc.jpg > >Look out Paul ! Here comes Alistair :D > >One last hooray for the 00/01 Season !!!!!!! whoohooo > >For those of you who want to discuss The Low north of the NT or any other weather and you don't have mIRC - you can visit #weather via the java chat which we have on our weather site at javachat.karrathaweather.org hope to see some of you there ! :) > >Regards > >JJ > >Karratha W.A > >www.karrathaweather.org >cyclone at karrathaweather.org >ICQ 6187498 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:58:42 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,... X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Lindsay. Your page is a good start. My site at www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm was just a single text page when I started - now I get into trouble for using too much disk space. However, on your site, I had trouble knowing there were links each side of the picture until I accidentally passed my mouse over them. The link colour blends in with the background colour so you can't see 'em till after you clicked 'em. Those are the links labeled "Snow Pics" and "Weather Notes". I am using MSIE 5.5 on Windows 2000 at 800x600xHigh Colour. Don't know if anyone else had the same problem. When I get home I will have another look on my Windows 98 machine to see if it is any clearer. (Might be just the lousy video card on my work computer.) Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:15:03 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,... > G'day all, > > I'm working on a new web site for my local area. I've tried to keep the > page > simple as its mostly for Sydney folk and locals (and weather folk from > this > list,of course) who want to know about current and prospective weather > in > Blackheath and the Blue Mountains, especially during winter. > > It's not a technical site, there's plenty of those around, more a place > to > post my snow pics during winter and report other significant weather > events, > as they occur. I hope to soon visit the Gazette archives (our local > paper) > to write up some snow events from the past, too. Anyway, if you want to > check it out and send some constructive comments my way, its at: > > http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/Blackhth.htm > > Cheers, > > > Lindsay Pearce > Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW > Email: violin at lisp.com.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Pearce" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,... Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:47:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Lindsay. I also really enjoyed looking at your page! It was great to look through the photos and also see a brief go at a forecast for the region :) I know I tried to do something similar to that a while ago but it took too much of my time and I didn't think it was worth it. However, I admire people that do put the time into putting photos up on the net and writing forecasts to post on free sites! Keep up the good work and hope to see you on a snow chase this winter :) Matt +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 00:36:01 +1000 To: Aussie Weather List , aussie-weather at theweather.com.au From: Carl Smith Subject: aus-wx: BoM TCA#1 issued for Arafura Sea Tropical Low Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. The BoM TC Warnings have started. Looks like the weather could get more interesting in your neck of the woods Paul. Regards, Carl. >IDDP0002 >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >Northern Territory Region >Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre > >TOP PRIORITY > >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING > >FLASH TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 1. >Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN >at 11:44 pm CST Monday 16 April 2001 > >A CYCLONE WARNING is now current for coastal and island communities >between CROKER ISLAND and CAPE FOURCROY. > >At 11:30 pm CST a developing Tropical Low was centred about 140 kilometres >northeast of Croker Island and 400 kilometres east-northeast of Snake Bay, >moving west-southwest at 15 kilometres per hour almost parallel to the coast. > >GALES with gusts to 90 kilometres per hour are expected to develop over >coastal >and island communities between Croker Island and Cape Don tonight, extending >west to Cape Fourcroy during Tuesday. > > >Details of Tropical Low at 11:30 pm CST : > . Centre located near....... 10.0 degrees South 134.0 degrees East > . Location accuracy......... within 60 kilometres. > . Recent movement........... towards the west-southwest at 15 km/h > . Wind gusts near centre.... 75 kilometres per hour and intensifying > . Central pressure.......... 1000 hectoPascals > >REPEATING: A CYCLONE WARNING is current between CROKER ISLAND and CAPE >FOURCROY. > >The NEXT ADVICE will be issued at 2:00 AM CST > >This advice is available on telephone 1300 659 211. > >DARWIN Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre >IDD20130 >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >Northern Territory Region >Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre > >40:0:1:24:10S134E999:11:00 >SECURITE > >HIGH SEAS WEATHER WARNING > >HIGH SEAS WEATHER WARNING FOR METAREA 10/11 >Issued by the AUSTRALIAN BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN >at 1400 UTC 16 APRIL 2001 > >IMPORTANT INFORMATION >* Wind speed refers to the average speed over a 10-minute > period. Gusts may be up to 40 percent stronger than > the average speed. >* Wave and swell heights refer to significant wave heights > representing the average of the highest one third of > waves. The likely maximum wave height can be up to > twice the significant wave height. > >GALE WARNING FOR NORTHERN AREA > >SITUATION >At 1200 UTC Tropical Low 1000 hPa centred within 35 nautical miles of 10.0 S >134.0 E moving west-southwest at 08 knots. The low may develop into a Tropical >Cyclone in the next 12-18 hours. > >AREA AFFECTED >Within 60 nautical miles of the centre. > >FORECAST >Clockwise winds 20/30 knots expected to increase to 30/40 knots within >12-18 hours. Rough to very rough seas and rising swell. > >0000 UTC 17 April: 10.1 S 132.3 E 996 hPa. Winds to 40 knots near centre. >1200 UTC 17 April: 10.3 S 130.5 E 990 hPa. Winds to 45 knots near centre. > >REMARKS >Ships in the general area please transmit 3-hourly weather reports. > > > >DARWIN Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Harris" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney? Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:08:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks for that:- 94768 45/// ///// 10248 20147 30163 40211 57022 333 20150= max = 15°c whereas:- 94767 41775 20203 10251 20124 30201 40207 58022 70500 81831= No max? always unrelieble. The link I use is:- http://www.met.fsu.edu/Data/archive/surface/syn/?N=D What would you suggest for Australian synops? btw - I have to look through:- 01:00, 02:00, 13:00, 14:00 & 22:00, 23:00 to get max - min an rainfall for them. Is there a better url I should use? Many thanks Keith (Southend) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:43:05 -0600 From: Lyle Pakula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Sounds like a cloud streak. Not sure on the direction of the cloud and related topography but the current theory is that 'some' cloud streaks do originate from some type of terrain feature up wind, and this could be a very very long way upwind. Do you recall the direction of the cloud and location relating? On another note, these clouds are usually great for sail planes as they supply great boyuancy for a very very long way ;) Cheers, Lyle John Dryden wrote: > Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't > really subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we > occasionally look upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being > photography. However I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. > About 3-4 weeks ago I witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the > east coast to the west and was absolutely dead straight(North to > south)! Was this the "Morning Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and > this occurred at about 4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit > about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break > up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I posting an already answered > thread? Any responses would be greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my > bets against my wife who thinks otherwise.thanks in advanceJD & PS +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: My new page Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:19:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Matt, Jane, Jimmy, Phil and all, Thanks for the comments :) Yeah I'm working on the links colors/backgrounds etc, I feel like a real newbie with this html stuff...so bare with me. I do want to keep the site simple for entry level folk/locals etc but I certainly will be adding more links etc. I've been a bit sick of late (I suffer from an immune condition - think i mentioned it years ago) so as my health improves, i'll get back into it. Hey, and sorry Matt Pearce about the "Matt's Computing Page" in the title, you probably thought I stole a personal template or something. :) I just used a simple template from Sausage and forgot to change its name. Doh! Thanks again for this wonderful weather list, I had a real bout of nasty illness a coupla of years back and this list, in its infant stages back then, was a real blessing to me. Still is! Cheers, Lindsay PS: Yes, I'm sure we'll meet up for a snow chase. I'm usually out there kicking around in the stuff. Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pearce" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:47 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,... > Hi Lindsay. > > I also really enjoyed looking at your page! It was great to look through the > photos and also see a brief go at a forecast for the region :) I know I > tried to do something similar to that a while ago but it took too much of my > time and I didn't think it was worth it. However, I admire people that do > put the time into putting photos up on the net and writing forecasts to post > on free sites! > > Keep up the good work and hope to see you on a snow chase this winter :) > > Matt > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.192.85] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Upper level disturbance for SE, end of the week Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:53:58 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 23:23:59.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[505A0A00:01C0C6CC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Interesting upper level low starting to show up on most forecast models for Friday this week and it's also rating a mention in South Australia's and Victoria's weather notes. Adelaide looks like it will be on the far west of the upper disturbance reducing our chances of some interesting weather although it is still possible. The system may attract a surface low from the south or produce it's own surface low on Friday. NOGAPS are forecasting a surface low to be positioned in Bass Straight. If the surface low does develop with the upper level system things could get rather interesting. Glad to see an upper level disturbance could have an impact on states apart from New South Wales and Queensland for a change. Hope for the best for this coming event. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:33:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 23:33:23.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[A084B1A0:01C0C6CD] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul. I noted that the BOM have named this system TC Alistair on the 0400 chart. A look at radar at 0900, a weak centre could be discerned about 90 to 120klm north, northeast of Melville Is, or due north of Point Jahleel,it is possible to see rain radar echo's starting to wrap around the apparant centre.This TC seems to be moving at towards 265degrees,the system has become smaller overnight with the upper divergence field appearing a little weaker. It will be interesting to see if this development "vacuum cleans the top end of the remnants of the wet season. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mossman To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... > Hi Clyve - thanks for this! Brilliant! > > Though people think I am strange for wishing a TC - the feeling of being > near or in one is unbelievable....... Like supercell storm chasing except it > lasts much longer! > > Paul. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of clyve herbert > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:55 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... > > Hi Paul. > This tropical system is now looking very nice and appears to be drifting > towards the southwest , the upper divergence is very good but low level > convergence could be better,this tropical low started I believe north of 5 > degrees south and at last call was still north of 7 degrees sth, this is a > long way north of normally maturing TC's but not unknown,at the moment I > would be a little concerned for coastal areas north of Darwin and even for > the Darwin district. regards Clyve Herbert, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mossman > To: Aussie Weather Mail List ; Aussie > Weather > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched.... > > > > It seems that there is some potential for this system. > > > > Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement > will > > be the key. > > > > Paul. > > > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > > Northern Territory Region > > Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre > > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK > > FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST > > Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN > > at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001 > > TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea... > > Location........near 6.4S 136.2E > > ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy > > Central pressure: 1008 hPa > > Recent movement : slowly towards the W > > > > DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL > > Next 24h : low > > 24-48 h : low > > 48-72 h : moderate > > NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical > > cyclone development within each 24 hour period... > > LOW = 10% or less MODERATE = 20% - 40% HIGH = 50% or more. > > REMARKS > > A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to > move > > westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop. > > DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: aus-wx: I'm back!!!!!!!!! Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 00:54:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: ausns1.austasia.net 1.6.2 0/1101/N Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Well, after my computer frying itself on me, I have finally gotten my laptop and am back online again :o) I see I have missed quite a bit, so the next day or so will be of me catching up, so bear with me please. PaulY +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Apparently-From: From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,...SMS Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:49:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep David, it was a SMS message sent from my mobile, found this great service on the net which lets you do that and other great stuff snip... you can operate the service from a downloaded program, a web interface or mobile. You can send unlimited free sms messages, i have tested it with Telstra and Optus and it worked. The response time is amazing, instant sends in peak periods :) You can send an sms message to an e-mail address, for example today I sent an e-mail to the list using my mobile phone while I was chasing, very handy. You can sent it up so you get notification as to when you get new e-mails, and have the first 160 charaters of the e-mail sent to you (you need to have the program operating on your PC for this feature, so would work best with permanant connection). You have to register before you can send any sms. etc, but it is very quick process. To add uses you use their e-mail adress (it is there ID) not phone number. Once registered it's just a simple process of adding contacts and sending the messages. You can download the software or use the web interface. This is the homepage http://www.1rstwap.com/ This is the login page for the web interface and sign up. http://www.1rstwap.com/partners/go.to/1rstwap hope you enjoy, i have found this product fantastic. My e-mail is njsykes at yahoo.com if you want to add me to your contact list and have a test :) Nick Sykes ----- Original Message ----- > Is that via SMS? Nothing much in the obs, i can't comment on the front - i'm > not that good, some rain areas around mornington peninsula. > > David _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cut off low to produce a significant rain event ??? Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:25:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
All
 
My attention is drawn away from TC Alistair for the time being (looks a bit wobbly at the moment as rapidly moving TC's often do.)
 
As SG has already observed, looks good for a reasonable to significant rain event developing southern Qld and southwards towards the week end (see the GASP model for details). Also looks interesting for our NZ friends !
 
Caution though - beyond 4 or 5 days the GSP model can be a bit unreliable.
 
Keep watching
Simon
 
 
 
 
From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropical low Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:09:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane Dry here too ( by our standards ). I noticed it today on a trip to a local point called Bass Point. This point is mostly non porous Basalt overlayed with soil and sedimentary rock to 40ft in places. At sea level where the underlaying rock is exposed the ground water which cannot penetrate past the basalt seeps out at various springs and soaks. After 2 lower then normal rainfall years most are now dry. I have not seen this for many years. Michael > to see it down here - I've discovered that Lake Eildon actually has a > creek bed in the middle of it - I've never seen that before, & a number > of the irrigation channels in northern Victoria are almost dry!! > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:14:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com OK John I have to ask ! if you are retired why do you choose to live in Christchurch. From your posts it does seem like a rather benign weather region. Why not somewhere on the west coast ? Michael > That's nothing. > I can remember coming down from Arthurs Pass in a heavy NW thunderstorm > back in Jan 1992 when a blinding bolt of lightning struck the rail and > extended outways just B4 I passed over it with 2 "DC" locos and 13 loaded > CB coal wagons of 910 tonnes. > The track circuited signalling went out not long after and the next morning > the local ganger reported a 2cmgap in the rail where the lightning had struck. > As I was doing 80km/h over the piece of track at the time with a bunched > train in dynamic brake (down hill grade) was probably why the train went > successfully over the gap. > Any slower a flang of a wheel could of dislodged a wagon! > A temporary repair and speed restriction over the affected rail the next > day meant no holdup for train services including the famous Trans Alpine > express > > John Gaul > ex-Train/loco driver NZR > now founder of the > NZ Thunderstruck Society - more than being thunderstruck! > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:32:11 +1000 From: Keith Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cut off low to produce a significant rain event ??? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I agree with the need for caution. The BoM in Sydney is going for rain periods on Sunday/Monday. This far out, I have often noticed such a forecast change back to showers or even fine weather, then back to rain again with the passage of time. I now wait and see until within 48 hours of the time and whether or not all models basically agree with each other.. Simon Clarke wrote: > > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upper level disturbance for SE, end of the week Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:45:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi SG I must admit that I am quite excited about this too. Both NGP and GASP are going for a nice low cradled by high pressure on Saturday, this will provide a great mositure feed into the system. MRF is trying for a more East Coast low scenario, which is not too good for storms, but better for heavy rain in the Illawarra. I have never liked MRF much anyway ( MRF Mostly (w)Rong Forecasts ). ECMWF has a similar prognosis too NGP and GASP, just delayed a little. Sticking with GASP and NGP, on Sunday the low should start drawing cooler and drier air in behind it, this may lead to some interesting storm possibilities in NSW, perhaps even SE Queensland. The jet stream is currently plotted in a rather ideal setup too. But it is early days. Having said that I think the days of the this persistent high pressure ridge are numbered, even if the weather does not live up to potential. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "S G" To: Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2001 9:23 Subject: aus-wx: Upper level disturbance for SE, end of the week > Interesting upper level low starting to show up on most forecast models for > Friday this week and it's also rating a mention in South Australia's and > Victoria's weather notes. Adelaide looks like it will be on the far west of > the upper disturbance reducing our chances of some interesting weather > although it is still possible. The system may attract a surface low from > the south or produce it's own surface low on Friday. NOGAPS are forecasting > a surface low to be positioned in Bass Straight. If the surface low does > develop with the upper level system things could get rather interesting. > Glad to see an upper level disturbance could have an impact on states apart > from New South Wales and Queensland for a change. Hope for the best for > this coming event. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:30:32 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: A New Meaning to Virtual Chasing Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, On the Wx-Chase list some one posted this URL, it's about a team of people who will be spending May 1st to 31st chasing in the US, and trying to transmit live data/video/photos onto the internet! http://www.stormchase2001.com/ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A New Meaning to Virtual Chasing Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:34:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have also seen this thread. I must admit that the reaction by some on the WX Chase has been rather negative. However for us Aussi's with a fistfull of Pacific peso's it may be the closest we get to USA chasing for a few years. I wonder however if it ends up a pay site :-( Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2001 19:30 Subject: aus-wx: A New Meaning to Virtual Chasing > Hi all, > > On the Wx-Chase list some one posted this URL, it's about a team of > people who will be spending May 1st to 31st chasing in the US, and > trying to transmit live data/video/photos onto the internet! > > http://www.stormchase2001.com/ > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 17 Apr 01 20:51:30 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: A New Meaning to Virtual Chasing Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Anthony! 17 Apr 01 19:30, you wrote to Australian Weather Mailing List: AC> On the Wx-Chase list some one posted this URL, it's about a team of AC> people who will be spending May 1st to 31st chasing in the US, and AC> trying to transmit live data/video/photos onto the internet! I wonder how they plan doing that. Would be interested to know. Might even get on and have a look, could be interesting. Tony, VK3JED .. If Death calls, take a message. I'll get back to him. -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: Darwin Update Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:03:15 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Howdy all - wind is quite significant here now. Just went for a drive - debris everywhere, power down in several suburbs. Streets very quiet & erie. A lot of people up here are quite spooked which is very surprising as this TC has had little press coverage. Wowsers....that was a decent gust! Ciao all. Paul. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:46:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 12:46:51.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[795458F0:01C0C73C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael Yes I have to agree I would be heading for the west coast , Hokitika (I think that's how you spell it ) with about 2500mm a year and 26 days with thunder, lots of hail and snow capped mountains to stare at ,some good surf too.regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather > OK John I have to ask ! if you are retired why do you choose to live in > Christchurch. From your posts it does seem like a rather benign weather > region. Why not somewhere on the west coast ? > > Michael > > > > That's nothing. > > I can remember coming down from Arthurs Pass in a heavy NW thunderstorm > > back in Jan 1992 when a blinding bolt of lightning struck the rail and > > extended outways just B4 I passed over it with 2 "DC" locos and 13 loaded > > CB coal wagons of 910 tonnes. > > The track circuited signalling went out not long after and the next > morning > > the local ganger reported a 2cmgap in the rail where the lightning had > struck. > > As I was doing 80km/h over the piece of track at the time with a bunched > > train in dynamic brake (down hill grade) was probably why the train went > > successfully over the gap. > > Any slower a flang of a wheel could of dislodged a wagon! > > A temporary repair and speed restriction over the affected rail the next > > day meant no holdup for train services including the famous Trans Alpine > > express > > > > John Gaul > > ex-Train/loco driver NZR > > now founder of the > > NZ Thunderstruck Society - more than being thunderstruck! > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:35:55 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, aussie-weather at theweather.com.au From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Darwin Update Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul and All. >Howdy all - wind is quite significant here now. > >Just went for a drive - debris everywhere, power down in several suburbs. > >Streets very quiet & erie. A lot of people up here are quite spooked which >is very surprising as this TC has had little press coverage. > >Wowsers....that was a decent gust! > >Ciao all. > >Paul. Yes, but it is uncomfortably close to where Tracy was before it turned and belted Darwin, so I'm not that suprised that some are a little spooked. Keep us posted on how it is up there. BoM server seems to be down or overloaded - have not been able to get in there for the last hour, so cannot get the 11pm CST TC Advice. Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Tony Middleton " , "Tony Langdon" , "Tim Grugeon" , "Tim Collins" , "Steve Poiesz" , "Simon Gilbert" , "Simon" , "Simon Borg" , "Ryan Hutcheon" , "Ross Buscall" , "Rod Aikman" , "Robert Goler" , "Richard Bath" , "Philip Aitken" , "Phil Papas" , "Phil McCrohan" , "Peter Tristram" , "Peter Matters" , "Peter Corlett" , "Paul Yole" , "Paul Marcus" , "Nick Sykes" , "Narelle Lenon" , "Nandina Morris" , "Michael Trevean" , "Michael Maxwell" , "Matthew Hallisey" , "Mathew Young" , "Marcus Dunn" , "Luke Garde" , "Lindsay Smail" , "Liam Domanski" , "Kevin Phyland" , "Kate Neilson" , "Karen Moseley" , "Joy Farnan" , "John Terrill" , "Jim Selman" , "Jenny Farlow" , "Jeff Ottery" , "Jason Whitaker" , "Jason Balhorn" , "Hugh Roberton" , "Harry Townsend" , "Greg Stewart" , "Greg Browning" , "Elise Chandler" , "Diane Holland" , "Dennis Cottle" , "Debra Russell" , "Debbie Parker" , "Dean Sgarbossa" , "David Simpson" , "David Lalor" , "David Kilpatrick" , "David Jones" , "David Jeffrey" , "Darren Springthorpe" , "Dane Newman" , "Craig Griffiths" , "Clinton Smith" , "Chris Gribben" , "Chris Deed" , "Chris Daley" , "Brian Weldon" , "Brian Hallam" , "Brendon Eishold" , "Bob Trayling" , "Blair Trewin" , "Ben Jerrems" , "Anthony Heinemann" , "Anthony Brown" , "Andrew McDonald" , "Andrew Blight" , "Allan Sarafis" , "Adam North" , "Clyve Herbert" , "Ray Kollmorgen" , "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria meeting Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:25:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ASWA Victoria's next meeting will be held this Saturday, 21st April 2001 in the meeting room at The Pancake Parlour, 550 Doncaster Road, Doncaster at 8.30am (breakfast) **Agenda** Breakfast & Bragging (bring your appetite & your photos!) Car stickers will be available - $4 each Past weather discussion: Victorian low pressure system ~22nd March ****** Guest Presentation ****** Big, Bad Thunderstorms: When Do They Form? What Do They Look Like? Speaker: Harald Richter (formally at NSSL, now at the BoM) This presentation will touch upon the issues of forecasting severe thunderstorms and their structural analysis. The most common approach to forecasting severe convection is to ascertain the likelihood for the the co-occurence of four key ingredients: moisture, instability, lift and shear. The presentation will explain the forecasting process in more detail. Once deep convection has formed a variety of interesting structural elements can be identified on radar and visually. I will present a number of examples of these elements such as hook echoes, rear flank downdraughts and others. Recognising parts of the overall storm structure is a valuable exercise as it allows a deeper understanding of the storm dynamics. A second benefit is an improved ability to forecast the short-term evolution of the storm including the prediction of tornadogenesis. ****** Members & visitors very welcome. Please RSVP by Thursday 26th April to cadence at stormchasers.au.com if you will be attending. -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne Paul Yole - Murtoa cadence at stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Anthony Post" To: Subject: aus-wx: A newbie to weather watching Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:22:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello everyone, Sorry to disturb you with this. I know most of you in this mailing list already know very much about weather, you either work with it, or study it, or just have been interested in it for years. Well I am a newbie. I know the basics, (not much). I would like to know if anyone can help me. I am looking for a page on the internet or a information booklet that I can learn the basics. I can see all this stuff about pressure, but how do I know when there is a storm coming and stuff??? I cant see that. Is there someway somebody can explain or point out a document on that. How do people read the predictions of the weather? Please help. Anthony Post +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p20-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.84] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:34:03 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: A newbie to weather watching Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ok Anthony, You broke the peace so now you have to tell us about yourself, age, where live, etc etc and what got you interested in the weather. Remember, this is the key thing we are all looking for - not how much a person knows. Jimmy Deguara At 07:22 PM 17/04/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >Sorry to disturb you with this. I know most of you in this mailing list >already know very much about weather, you either work with it, or study it, >or just have been interested in it for years. > >Well I am a newbie. I know the basics, (not much). I would like to know if >anyone can help me. I am looking for a page on the internet or a >information booklet that I can learn the basics. > >I can see all this stuff about pressure, but how do I know when there is a >storm coming and stuff??? I cant see that. Is there someway somebody can >explain or point out a document on that. How do people read the predictions >of the weather? > >Please help. > >Anthony Post > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Reply-To: "Aussie Wx List" From: "Mark Hardy \(home\)" To: "Weatherzone List" Subject: [ Aussie Wx List ] BOM dead Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:50:27 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Errors-To: postmaster at theweather.com.au
I have not been able to access the Bureau site since 11pm last night. Anybody else with the same problems?
Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
http://www.theweather.com.au
 
 
From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie Wx List" Subject: Re: [ Aussie Wx List ] BOM dead Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:42:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Errors-To: postmaster at theweather.com.au REPLY-TO: "Aussie Wx List"
Same problem here.
 
Jane
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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:50 AM
Subject: [ Aussie Wx List ] BOM dead

I have not been able to access the Bureau site since 11pm last night. Anybody else with the same problems?
Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
http://www.theweather.com.au
 
 
X-Apparently-From: From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Outlook: Storms? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:19:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all A nice looking morning in Melbourne today. The early inversion has broken and the northerly is in, and it's pretty warm. There is bit of altocumulus around, and a "mackeral sky" patch. Overnight, some thunderies developed in parts of Victoria and an extensive area of storms developed to the south of the state. The BOM now have storms on the foecast. LI's around -2 are progged and with the high temp, 26 forecasted, storms are looking better. Change dont look like coming through till tonight which could be a worry, but should be a day to keep an eye on. Please send updates to 0419113812 Nick Sykes FTG (the FTG on melb local) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:22:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I should have been working on other things, like a website for our music business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many distractions :) I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly. My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on their pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really hadn't spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible! That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor! Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it all. Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay, of course. Cheers, Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:01:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says area>alt when trying to goto forcasts ?????? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p20-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.84] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:07:25 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Lindsay, I think you may have over-reacted. I think you have observed the web site on a computer with resolution 640 x 480 which makes the page look "deformed" so to speak but so does ours and others. The thing is, the standard resolution is 800 x 600 which is acceptable to assume. So I would reconsider putting the site back up - there really is nothing wrong with it. It will develop over time. You received such positive feedback - we weren't joking around either. Remember it takes months if not years to get yourself established with websites. Through a lot of planning trial and error, you will find the right mix. Hope to see it back up. Jimmy Deguara At 07:22 AM 18/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for >now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I >should have been working on other things, like a website for our music >business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at >home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many >distractions :) > >I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly. > >My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on their >pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really hadn't >spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I >visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible! >That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor! > >Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it all. > >Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out >there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay, of >course. > >Cheers, > >Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce >Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW >Email: violin at lisp.com.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:27:50 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A newbie to weather watching Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, Jimmy actually has a really good cloud guide that might help you about how to know when there is a storm coming/around by simply looking at the sky. The URL is http://australiasevereweather.com/techniques/index.html I really think this is a fantastic site for anyone who is looking at trying to "read the sky!" It's in detail, so it will take a while to go through it, but after all - all learning takes time. The BoM also have a spotter guide which is on the net...but the BoM is down (and has been for nearly 12hrs now!) So I can't search for it. AC Anthony Post wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Sorry to disturb you with this. I know most of you in this mailing list > already know very much about weather, you either work with it, or study it, > or just have been interested in it for years. > > Well I am a newbie. I know the basics, (not much). I would like to know if > anyone can help me. I am looking for a page on the internet or a > information booklet that I can learn the basics. > > I can see all this stuff about pressure, but how do I know when there is a > storm coming and stuff??? I cant see that. Is there someway somebody can > explain or point out a document on that. How do people read the predictions > of the weather? > > Please help. > > Anthony Post > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Met support" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:42:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Everyone, The Bureau is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment. Telstra is looking into it but there is no idea when the problem will be rectified. Matthew Piper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing > is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says area>alt when trying > to goto forcasts ?????? > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:35:13 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Darwin Update Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Carl, It's a shame it moved so fast! Hasn't really had a chance to get well organised, in fact it's lost its upper level anti-cyclone, and it is now surviving by the STJ running just to its south assisting in the outflow. Upper divergence is still nice though. I actually thought this TC might have headed southwards and then southeast, because of the proximity it was to the STJ when it first formed, however this was not the case! A broad upper high developed over the region, and it seems to riding on a weak NE'ly jet. Interestingly, JTWC are forecasting a WSW movement for the duration of its outlook, and intensification to a high Cat 2. The reason why it is interesting, because again (IMO), it looks like it will curve towards the S and SE due to the STJ...but we'll see what happens! I think now (at 8:30am) it will be too late to hit Darwin, although I'm surprised that Darwin got the strong winds it did! AC Carl Smith wrote: > > Hi Paul and All. > > >Howdy all - wind is quite significant here now. > > > >Just went for a drive - debris everywhere, power down in several suburbs. > > > >Streets very quiet & erie. A lot of people up here are quite spooked which > >is very surprising as this TC has had little press coverage. > > > >Wowsers....that was a decent gust! > > > >Ciao all. > > > >Paul. > > Yes, but it is uncomfortably close to where Tracy was before it turned and > belted Darwin, so I'm not that suprised that some are a little spooked. > > Keep us posted on how it is up there. > > BoM server seems to be down or overloaded - have not been able to get in > there for the last hour, so cannot get the 11pm CST TC Advice. > > Regards, > Carl. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:53:20 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Lindsay, you are not alone. My site takes far too long out of running my business which I also run from home. Sometimes I groan because I know that family photos in my site are now three years out of date! I have bookmarked hundreds of great weather sites in a favourites folder called "To be linked" which never get added to my pages. What I have had to do is to give myself a rule that I shall never spend more than half an hour on any given day on any of the non-business parts of my site. As the site doesn't sell anything, but is only a kind of "poster" for my business, I often wonder whether it is worth-while spending the time I do keeping such things as my price-list page up-to-date. As typhoons and cyclones are changing constantly, just keeping that part up-to-date tends to consume every minute of that half-hour limit so the rest doesn't get updated. If you compare my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm with Carl's page at http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm you will see that our TC sections are identical. When I make a change I e-mail the HTML code to Carl and when he makes a change he e-mails the code to me. Then it's a simple cut and paste to keep updated. Thus we both keep our similar sections up-to-date without using up quite so many hours of time. I never added a counter until 24th June 1997, but since then my site has received over 94,000 hits, so somebody apart from me must look at it. Yes I love all things weather, and I love having a weather-related site, but I just have to live with the fact that most of it has to stay in a fairly static state. A static page that only changes when you get the time to change it is still an okay thing. My wife and children still have to be fed, though.... Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:22:05 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( > Hi all, > > I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, > for > now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I > should have been working on other things, like a website for our music > business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities > at > home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many > distractions :) > > I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly. > > My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on > their > pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really > hadn't > spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I > visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked > terrible! > That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor! > > Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it > all. > > Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk > out > there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll > pay, of > course. > > Cheers, > > Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce > Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW > Email: violin at lisp.com.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria meeting Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:57:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: ausns1.austasia.net 1.6.2 0/1101/N Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmmmmmm............looks like I'll have to start watching "Back to the Future" again so i can work out how to go ahead in time.....RSVP.....and then travel back for the meeting :oP Should get quite a good turnout for this meeting. Should we get a photo record of it for MSC? Also, book me down for 4 stickers too. And a laptop battery if you want (This one isn't holding charge as it should......only get about 10 mins out of it, so I'll have to get another one in either Melb or Bne). #1 Son "Jane wrote: Members & visitors very welcome. Please RSVP by Thursday 26th April to cadence at stormchasers.au.com if you will be attending." +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria meeting Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:23:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: ausns1.austasia.net 1.6.2 0/1101/N Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry everyone. Will teach me to make sure i address emails properly instead of just hitting refresh PaulY +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: LOW for SE Australia. Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:32:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It is still a couple of days, off but the "models" are all falling into line in predicting major cyclogenesis over SE Australia over the weekend. The lead up to this event makes for "interesting" viewing as a major thickness trough (tongue of cold air) - the makings of which can currently be seen south of the bight - "advects" north to lie near the Victorian coast by Friday night. Guess the real interest in the lead up is the intensity of the thermal trough - freezing levels over Bass Strait near 1200m - and the fact that the thickness trough initially coincides with very high surface pressures (~1028 hPa+), and a strong high near Tasmania. The air associated with this thermal trough is very cold for this time of year, which could make for some very low overnight temperatures, particularly over Tassie and highland snow. Anyway, through the weekend, a "classical" easterly type dip develops as the baroclinic zone on the north side of the trough amplifies, with rapid development of a low over Victoria in the ~36 hours to Sunday night. The low/trough then looks like remaining situated near Victoria for a few days, before being captured sometime next week (of course this is a long long long way off in model land). Anyway, I guess the things to watch for with this system will be; possible thunderstorms over NSW on Thurs/Fri ahead of the strong thermal trough (current forecasted ToTTot values 50-60). snow and cold temperature over Tassie Thurs/Fri and prob cold night temperature for parts of Victoria. Widespread rain developing over Victoria and adjacent areas over the weekend as the low develops. Cut-off systems like this one seem to be predicted quite reliably by the models, but the exact weather experienced is very sensitive to the placement of the low centre. BTW for those further west, the current "near record/record" Indian Summer may break late on the weekend/early next week with the development of a low in the eastern Indian Ocean. Cheers, David. Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:45:21 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id VAA28290 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The problem is with the Bureau's internet connection. From about 11pm EST last night they were experiencing an 80%+ packet loss, and most attempts to connect will time out. It has been escalated to the highest level by Telstra, but the BoM guy who runs this area told me about 10 am that the cause of the problem was still unknown, and consequently they couldn't put a time on when it will be fixed. He'll ring me when they get some idea of when the situation will be rectified, and I'll pass it on to the list. In the meantime, my CMSS Bureau connection still seems to be working, and the noteworthy current weather observations and AWS obs are updating -- follow the link on the right of http://www.australianweathernews.com. Not that there's much happening at the moment... Laurier On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:42:32 +1000, "Met support" wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >The Bureau is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment. Telstra is >looking into it but there is no idea when the problem will be rectified. > >Matthew Piper > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dean McWhinney" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM >Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing > > >> is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says area>alt when >trying >> to goto forcasts ?????? >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:02:54 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id WAA29964 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Lindsay, I agree with Jimmy and Phil -- keep the site going and progressively add to it when you can. Especially, don't be put off by how it looks at 640 x 480 -- people who still have their screens set on this resolution get to see everything on the internet this way! ;-) I thought the page was great. In particular, it's about a topic that hasn't been taken up by anybody yet, and for that reason alone you should persist. It takes a looooong time to develop a mature website, because (a) generating the material takes time and (b) developing the skills to produce a website comes as much from experience as book-learning. This is why you will pay $quillion$ to get a web site produced by an "expert". It shouldn't cost you anything to keep it, and you can add to it when you have the time. And you'll find plenty of people on this list who have gone through the same learning and development curve and who are only to happy to help. So hang in there! Laurier On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:22:05 +1000, "Lindsay Pearce" wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for >now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I >should have been working on other things, like a website for our music >business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at >home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many >distractions :) > >I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly. > >My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on their >pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really hadn't >spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I >visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible! >That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor! > >Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it all. > >Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out >there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay, of >course. > >Cheers, > >Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce >Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW >Email: violin at lisp.com.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:14:18 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing From: Mark Hardy To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Things are back to normal now. We are now recovering quickly. _____________________________________________________ The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060 http://www.theweather.com.au _____________________________________________________ > From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:45:21 GMT > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing > > The problem is with the Bureau's internet connection. From about 11pm > EST last night they were experiencing an 80%+ packet loss, and most > attempts to connect will time out. It has been escalated to the > highest level by Telstra, but the BoM guy who runs this area told me > about 10 am that the cause of the problem was still unknown, and > consequently they couldn't put a time on when it will be fixed. He'll > ring me when they get some idea of when the situation will be > rectified, and I'll pass it on to the list. > > In the meantime, my CMSS Bureau connection still seems to be working, > and the noteworthy current weather observations and AWS obs are > updating -- follow the link on the right of > http://www.australianweathernews.com. Not that there's much happening > at the moment... > > Laurier > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:42:32 +1000, "Met support" > wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> The Bureau is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment. Telstra is >> looking into it but there is no idea when the problem will be rectified. >> >> Matthew Piper >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dean McWhinney" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM >> Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing >> >> >>> is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says area>alt when >> trying >>> to goto forcasts ?????? >>> >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >>> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >>> message. >>> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.108.0.57] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:27:48 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 02:27:48.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[290A50C0:01C0C7AF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, It appears as if the BOM have fixed the problem with their server when i tried at about 12:15pm to access their site and shortly thereafter they removed their message saying they were experiencing technical difficulties. Also sydneys forecast for the next week got a lot better... hopefully it will stay that way, Michael olsen >From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:45:21 GMT > >The problem is with the Bureau's internet connection. From about 11pm >EST last night they were experiencing an 80%+ packet loss, and most >attempts to connect will time out. It has been escalated to the >highest level by Telstra, but the BoM guy who runs this area told me >about 10 am that the cause of the problem was still unknown, and >consequently they couldn't put a time on when it will be fixed. He'll >ring me when they get some idea of when the situation will be >rectified, and I'll pass it on to the list. > >In the meantime, my CMSS Bureau connection still seems to be working, >and the noteworthy current weather observations and AWS obs are >updating -- follow the link on the right of >http://www.australianweathernews.com. Not that there's much happening >at the moment... > >Laurier > > >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:42:32 +1000, "Met support" > wrote: > > >Hi Everyone, > > > >The Bureau is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment. Telstra >is > >looking into it but there is no idea when the problem will be rectified. > > > >Matthew Piper > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dean McWhinney" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM > >Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing > > > > > >> is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says area>alt when > >trying > >> to goto forcasts ?????? > >> > >> >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > >> message. > >> >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: My Site back up Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:57:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Thanks for the words of encouragement. It looked so bad to me down at Lithgow library that I automatically assumed it was to do with my editing skill or lack thereof. It's up again although I've had to do it quickly, so apologies for any errors. I can be a perfectionist at times, but my main problem yesterday was ignorance, lack of experience etc. Anyway, email me privately, if need be about it all. I'm busy with work just now, so bare with me in taking a while to get back to you. And, yes, I will contact folk for help when I get the chance. Cheers, Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurier Williams" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( > Lindsay, I agree with Jimmy and Phil -- keep the site going and > progressively add to it when you can. Especially, don't be put off by > how it looks at 640 x 480 -- people who still have their screens set > on this resolution get to see everything on the internet this way! ;-) > > I thought the page was great. In particular, it's about a topic that > hasn't been taken up by anybody yet, and for that reason alone you > should persist. It takes a looooong time to develop a mature website, > because (a) generating the material takes time and (b) developing the > skills to produce a website comes as much from experience as > book-learning. This is why you will pay $quillion$ to get a web site > produced by an "expert". > > It shouldn't cost you anything to keep it, and you can add to it when > you have the time. And you'll find plenty of people on this list who > have gone through the same learning and development curve and who are > only to happy to help. So hang in there! > > Laurier > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:22:05 +1000, "Lindsay Pearce" > wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for > >now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I > >should have been working on other things, like a website for our music > >business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at > >home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many > >distractions :) > > > >I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly. > > > >My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on their > >pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really hadn't > >spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I > >visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible! > >That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor! > > > >Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it all. > > > >Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out > >there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay, of > >course. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce > >Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW > >Email: violin at lisp.com.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:39:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep Lindsay, I agree too - most of us have webpages in the process of being done / built / improved / redesigned....I think yours fills a gap rather neatly & I'd like to leave the MSC Cafe page linked to it......Please leave it there & just learn with the rest of us.....as we continue to learn every day (and help each other out - I think I owe Ben Quinn McDonalds for a week considering how much he has helped me)!! Great effort!! - welcome to the joys of html Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Lindsay, I agree with Jimmy and Phil -- keep the site going and progressively add to it when you can. Especially, don't be put off by how it looks at 640 x 480 -- people who still have their screens set on this resolution get to see everything on the internet this way! ;-) I thought the page was great. In particular, it's about a topic that hasn't been taken up by anybody yet, and for that reason alone you should persist. It takes a looooong time to develop a mature website, because (a) generating the material takes time and (b) developing the skills to produce a website comes as much from experience as book-learning. This is why you will pay $quillion$ to get a web site produced by an "expert". It shouldn't cost you anything to keep it, and you can add to it when you have the time. And you'll find plenty of people on this list who have gone through the same learning and development curve and who are only to happy to help. So hang in there! Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.61.49.83] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Upper level Low/Trough over SW Vic, b4 change. Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:34:12 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 05:34:13.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[3369F5B0:01C0C7C9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, just noticed on the Lightning tracker some active thunderstorms cells out near Portland/Port Fairy way Had a small rain band come through here earlier with one low soft rumble of thunder, it is currently rather mild and sticky, looking forward when the CF comes. Cheers Les _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:12:01 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Darwin Update Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony and All. >Hi Carl, > >It's a shame it moved so fast! Hasn't really had a chance to get well >organised, in fact it's lost its upper level anti-cyclone, and it is now >surviving by the STJ running just to its south assisting in the outflow. >Upper divergence is still nice though. I actually thought this TC might >have headed southwards and then southeast, because of the proximity it >was to the STJ when it first formed, however this was not the case! A >broad upper high developed over the region, and it seems to riding on a >weak NE'ly jet. Interestingly, JTWC are forecasting a WSW movement for >the duration of its outlook, and intensification to a high Cat 2. The >reason why it is interesting, because again (IMO), it looks like it will >curve towards the S and SE due to the STJ...but we'll see what happens! >I think now (at 8:30am) it will be too late to hit Darwin, although I'm >surprised that Darwin got the strong winds it did! Yes, this one has travelled quite fast, so unless something very strange happens Darwin is probably quite safe, as at 11am it was N of Kalumburu, WA. As this TC is quite sheared with a strong pressure gradient being generated in the S semicircle by the High pressure ridge across the S regions, I am not suprised that Darwin got a decent period of gales. This kind of situation can generate gales hundreds of km from the centre that can at times be stronger than the circulatory winds around the centre. The BoM method of defining a TC, ie 10-min av winds >34 knots in all 4 quadrants, which was the WMO standard until recently, means that sometimes a system over ocean can reach near hurricane intensity in one semicircle whilst still being classified as a tropical depression as the winds in the other semicircle are <34 knots. As there were several of these systems in the FMS region over recent years, the WMO standard was changed to >34 knots 10-min av in any quadrant at the WMO Region 5 Tropical Cyclone Committee meeting in Rarotonga in Sept 2000. It will be interesting to see if the BoM adopts the new standard over time, or remains with it's current one which does seem to be OK in the Australian region, with extra Severe Weather Warnings etc., being issued in those situations where winds stronger than those in the closed circulation are being generated. An example of this was the monsoon depression that became TC Winsome, where winds around the closed circulation centre NE of Groote Eylandt were still below 34 knots whilst gales gusting to 120 km/h were being generated on Mornington Island by a High to the SE and along the NE Arnhem Land coast by a strong monsoonal flow to the NW, so requiring SWW's to be issued for these areas. JTWC had already had it classified as a TC for some time at this stage. If the BoM adopts the new standard we will see more named TC's and many will be named earlier. >AC Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: aus-wx: Effects of the long-lived anticyclone To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:29:47 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Some interesting flow-ons in Canberra from the long-lived anticyclone: - lowest min so early in the season last Friday (-2.6) - highest max so late in the season yesterday (27.0) - possibly broken today (27 rounded to 1500). - 6 consecutive days with a diurnal temperature range exceeding 20 C. This isn't a record (7 previous instances, the record being 9 days from 5-13 May 1957), but it is the first time it's happened since August 1982. The effects show up quite nicely in the weekly anomaly maps (just updated), which show widespread positive anomalies for maxima but negative anomalies for minima over most of the country. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.134.155.164] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Awesome sunset Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:55:06 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 07:55:07.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2631250:01C0C7DC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey list, 29C here today, forecast 31C tomorrow, feels like the last little burst of summer, the sunset tonight is one of the best ive ever seen, layers of whispy cirrus and a little cumulus plus possibly a little pollution, adding to the bright red to peach to violet shadings through the sky, great way to end a long day. Might not be seeing it for a while after tomorrow though (not a bad thing :)... Go the Low,, Rune _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:40:04 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER: Flash of lightning at Clayton Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all The excitement is building as I've just seen out of the corner of my eye a flash of lightning to the north, whilst working at my computer here in Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda in the Melb local radar). About 30 secs later the soft rumble of thunder was heard. Aahhhhhh, it felt so good. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:53:21 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER: Convergence line on Melb local radar Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Me again Looking at the local Melb radar, there seems to be a developing line of convection aligned northeast-southwest which is moving to the southeast across Melbourne. A BIG stab in the dark here (in more ways then one as I currently have all lights off in the computer room :), could this be the early signs of a squall line???? Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: Flash of lightning at Clayton Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:02:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Robert Goler wrote: > The excitement is building as I've just seen out of the corner of my eye a > flash of lightning to the north, whilst working at my computer here in > Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda in the Melb local radar). About 30 secs > later the soft rumble of thunder was heard. Aahhhhhh, it felt so good. Thunder was loud enough to hear over traffic & closed doors - a most brilliant sunset also with backlit Cb's to the west & southwest - a nice line of fairly lightning active storms coming up the coast atm...........who needs sleep!! also some MSC updates..... if you want to keep on top of the developing situation in SE Australia over the next few days, keep an eye on the April forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report page at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/apr01.htm There have been 4 additions to it in the last 24 hours. Chirs Daley has updated his 'Exerpts from a Stormchaser's Journal' at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/journal0628.htm -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:58:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Gee. I wouldn't be embarrassed. At least you've had a go :-) What music business is it? Whoops, not weather related. Unless it's producing songs like "singing in the rain.....". Outa here....... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:22 AM Subject: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:( > Hi all, > > I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for > now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I > should have been working on other things, like a website for our music > business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at > home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many > distractions :) > > I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly. > > My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on their > pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really hadn't > spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I > visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible! > That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor! > > Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it all. > > Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out > there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay, of > course. > > Cheers, > > Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce > Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW > Email: violin at lisp.com.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: WEATHER: Flash of lightning at Clayton Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:19:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > The excitement is building as I've just seen out of the corner of my eye a > flash of lightning to the north, whilst working at my computer here in > Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda in the Melb local radar). About 30 secs > later the soft rumble of thunder was heard. Aahhhhhh, it felt so good. It hit not far from me in Fairfield... 1.5 seconds away in fact... Really bright flash (lit up a darkened room) followed by ane hell of a bang... Weird, but it doesn't "feel" that stormy outside. -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:33:33 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: Melbourne's sunset Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Jane ONeill wrote: > a most > brilliant sunset also with backlit Cb's to the west & southwest > And if you were unfortunate enough to miss the sunset in Melbourne, here it was courtesy of Sandringham yacht club webcam: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_18/sunset.gif Images every 5 mins starting from 16:30. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: WEATHER: Flash of lightning at Clayton Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:29:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Thunder was loud enough to hear over traffic & closed doors - a most > brilliant sunset also with backlit Cb's to the west & southwest - a nice > line of fairly lightning active storms coming up the coast > atm...........who needs sleep!! And more lightning, 3-4 seconds from here this time, but fairly loud thunder.... All you guys mention the sites your following activity on, what would be the best for me? ATM I'm using BOM's rain radar and that's about it... Time for food, and maybe some lightning watching! -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.92.89.2] From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: CG 100m away sets off alarms Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:58:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 09:57:43.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[0308DBF0:01C0C7EE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com wohoooo just had a huge flang here (flash bang). The CG hit about 100m away setting off alarms in the street. I think it may have hit the CFA tower just down from my place. Very loud instant thunder and it lit up like a light blub. Quite scary but the adrenilin is flowing. Some more thunder now, going to investigate if i can see the strike point. Hopefully plenty more to come. I am located on the dot of FTG on Melb local Nick Sykes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: WEATHER: Flash of lightning at Clayton > > The excitement is building as I've just seen out of the corner of my eye a > > flash of lightning to the north, whilst working at my computer here in > > Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda in the Melb local radar). About 30 secs > > later the soft rumble of thunder was heard. Aahhhhhh, it felt so good. > > It hit not far from me in Fairfield... 1.5 seconds away in fact... > > Really bright flash (lit up a darkened room) followed by ane hell of a bang... > Weird, but it doesn't "feel" that stormy outside. > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Designer - Writer > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Everybody is somebody else's freak > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:26:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have already told my wife that we will not be retiring in the Illawarra. I have my eyes on the north coast region around Brunswick Heads. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2001 22:46 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather > Hi Michael > Yes I have to agree I would be heading for the west coast , Hokitika (I > think that's how you spell it ) with about 2500mm a year and 26 days with > thunder, lots of hail and snow capped mountains to stare at ,some good surf > too.regards Clyve H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Thompson > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 7:14 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather > > > > OK John I have to ask ! if you are retired why do you choose to live in > > Christchurch. From your posts it does seem like a rather benign weather > > region. Why not somewhere on the west coast ? > > > > Michael > > > > > > > That's nothing. > > > I can remember coming down from Arthurs Pass in a heavy NW thunderstorm > > > back in Jan 1992 when a blinding bolt of lightning struck the rail and > > > extended outways just B4 I passed over it with 2 "DC" locos and 13 > loaded > > > CB coal wagons of 910 tonnes. > > > The track circuited signalling went out not long after and the next > > morning > > > the local ganger reported a 2cmgap in the rail where the lightning had > > struck. > > > As I was doing 80km/h over the piece of track at the time with a bunched > > > train in dynamic brake (down hill grade) was probably why the train went > > > successfully over the gap. > > > Any slower a flang of a wheel could of dislodged a wagon! > > > A temporary repair and speed restriction over the affected rail the next > > > day meant no holdup for train services including the famous Trans Alpine > > > express > > > > > > John Gaul > > > ex-Train/loco driver NZR > > > now founder of the > > > NZ Thunderstruck Society - more than being thunderstruck! > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "fey" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: CG 100m away sets off alarms Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:47:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com the storm appears to have come from the northwest or west ??? windy now and lots of rain, also beautiful rolling thunder, just what i needed!!! hope you all have fun with it it looks fab. thanks cath frankston +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: CG 100m away sets off alarms Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:04:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow. As clear as here at present. And annoying.... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "fey" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: CG 100m away sets off alarms > the storm appears to have come from the northwest or west ??? windy now and > lots of rain, also beautiful rolling thunder, just what i needed!!! > > hope you all have fun with it it looks fab. > > thanks > cath > frankston > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "fey" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: CG 100m away sets off alarms Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:34:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From Frankston there is alot of electricity but we can see through to Geelong & Melbourne. My dad wants to know...'Is this produced because of the electricity or because of something else. Because it is just so clear across there???' Thanking you in advance here's hoping. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.160.24.166] From: "Dave Ellem" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: weather in brunei Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:49:01 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 06:49:01.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6A0D940:01C0C7D3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I'm in Brunei at the moment. Thought I'd let you know we had some awsome storms last night and now 2.47pm local (4.47pm aest)there are storms everywhere, with good lightning shows and VERY heavy showers. Very hot and humid, the air feels really 'stormy' and did since early thismorning. Just thought I'd let you all know. Off to England tonight. Dave _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Anthony Post" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: A newbie to weather watching Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:52:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy, That's ok. Thank you for that website. And thank you Anthony for the website also. That is one amazing document. I will have to read it all, it will take some time. Anyway more about me. I am 20 years old. Live in The Netherlands. I was born in Australia(Brisbane). I live there most of my life. I always used to be interested in weather. I always watched the lightning. When I was 15 we moved to USA I experienced a few small tornado's... I did say small. They were amazing. So since then that got me interested. Anyway. Thanks for your help. If anyone els has things to say, you are always welcome. Take care, Antz -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:34 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A newbie to weather watching Ok Anthony, You broke the peace so now you have to tell us about yourself, age, where live, etc etc and what got you interested in the weather. Remember, this is the key thing we are all looking for - not how much a person knows. Jimmy Deguara At 07:22 PM 17/04/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >Sorry to disturb you with this. I know most of you in this mailing list >already know very much about weather, you either work with it, or study it, >or just have been interested in it for years. > >Well I am a newbie. I know the basics, (not much). I would like to know if >anyone can help me. I am looking for a page on the internet or a >information booklet that I can learn the basics. > >I can see all this stuff about pressure, but how do I know when there is a >storm coming and stuff??? I cant see that. Is there someway somebody can >explain or point out a document on that. How do people read the predictions >of the weather? > >Please help. > >Anthony Post > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Adam Troy Cole" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A newbie to weather watching Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:37:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Always good to have newbies, and don't worry, we are all still learning As for experiencing small tornadoes, what sort of experience? Upclose and personal? lol Anyway, glad to have you along Adam +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Dont forget Alistair. Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:51:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 00:51:26.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD2BD5E0:01C0C86A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all tropo's. TC Alistair looks ok, still about cat 2 and now passing west of Beagle Bay WA and moving southwest,looks like Broome will start to taste its breath over the next 6 hours or so, the centre of this TC has always been rather difficult to pin point although rain wrapping around the apparent centre can be occasionally seen, it appears the centre has not been fully enclosed for much of its life,again typical of a TC reflectivity is much underrated in radar returns,at the moment it looks like it might get a little closer to the WA coast as it moves south "around the corner" near Broome. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Karratha Weather" To: Subject: aus-wx: TC Watch declared for the Pilbara Coast! :) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:06:15 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hey all,
 
The Pilbara Coast including Karratha was placed on a TC Watch for TC Alistair this morning.......I wonder what he will do this time.....
Quite hot here today......temp currently sitting on 36.8C with E/NE winds.....Seabreeze should be in very soon.
 
IDW24100
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
 
Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should be used with this warning.
 
TOP PRIORITY
 
TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 21
Issued at 10:05 am WST on Thursday, 19 April 2001
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
 
The CYCLONE WARNING for coastal areas between Kuri Bay and Cape Leveque has been
cancelled.
 
A CYCLONE WATCH has been declared for coastal areas between Port Hedland and
Exmouth. 
 
At 9am WST TROPICAL CYCLONE ALISTAIR was estimated to be 130 kilometres west
northwest of Cape Leveque and 230 kilometres north northwest of Broome and
moving west southwest at 20 kilometres per hour.
 
Gales are no longer being experienced on the west Kimberley coast between Kuri
Bay and Cape Leveque and conditions there are expected to  ease further as the
cyclone centre moves away from the area.
 
Gales are not expected in coastal areas between Port Hedland and Exmouth in the
next 24 to 48 hours.
 
Details of cyclone Alistair at 9am WST.
 
  Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
                       Latitude 15.9 South Longitude 121.8 East.
  Recent movement    : West Southwest at 20 kilometres per hour.
  Central Pressure   : 975 hPa.
  Maximum wind gusts : 165 kilometres per hour near the centre.
  Severity category  : 2.
 
The State Emergency Service advises that the yellow alerts between Kuri Bay and
Cape Leveque have been lifted.
 
The next warning will be issued at 1 pm WST.
 
This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210. For inquiries about community
alerts contact the State Emergency Service.
 
A map showing the track of the cyclone can be found at:
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/wa/cyclone
 
Regards
 
JJ
Karratha WA
ICQ 6187498
X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:26:49 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dont forget Alistair. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The latest JTWC forecast track is very interesting http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/sh2001.gif It's one of those late season re-curves towards the SW area if it does that track, but it's all a matter of timing, the cyclone could decide to move south early, like what happened with Vance, or it might not re-curve at all. Jacob At 10:51 AM 19/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all tropo's. >TC Alistair looks ok, still about cat 2 and now passing west of Beagle Bay >WA and moving southwest,looks like Broome will start to taste its breath >over the next 6 hours or so, the centre of this TC has always been rather >difficult to pin point although rain wrapping around the apparent centre can >be occasionally seen, it appears the centre has not been fully enclosed for >much of its life,again typical of a TC reflectivity is much underrated in >radar returns,at the moment it looks like it might get a little closer to >the WA coast as it moves south "around the corner" near Broome. regards >Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.8.248] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Dream forecast for Canberra Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:44:24 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 04:44:24.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[686DA780:01C0C88B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Worth noting and salivating over this dream (11.30 am, 19/4) forecast for weather starved Canberra.  Bring it on!

Saturday :  Rain/storms, locally heavy falls            Min:  11     Max:  19
Sunday   :  Rain/storms, locally heavy falls            Min:  13     Max:  20
Monday   :  Rain/storms, locally heavy falls            Min:  8     Max:  19

 



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X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.2] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dream forecast for Canberra Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:37:09 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 05:37:09.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[C718DE10:01C0C892] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hope the BoM haven't jinxed us Michael!!! Some nice congestus and low-topped CBs developing in all directions. However with dew points in this region close to zero, I can observe virga falling out of the bases, but not a lot appears to be reaching the ground. It would be nice if this forecast eventuates - I think we've had 1mm in the last 5 weeks. Good to see that the latest EC run has the upper low around until at least Tuesday. As you say... bring it on!!! Patrick Worth noting and salivating over this dream (11.30 am, 19/4) forecast for weather starved Canberra. Bring it on! Saturday : Rain/storms, locally heavy falls Min: 11 Max: 19 Sunday : Rain/storms, locally heavy falls Min: 13 Max: 20 Monday : Rain/storms, locally heavy falls Min: 8 Max: 19 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.224.2] From: "James Harris" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: STORMS - 3:30pm Sydney Update Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:43:24 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 05:43:24.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6C044E0:01C0C893] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey All, What a lovely afternoon.... The Sun has come out, the temp has hit a tad under 30c and now at 3:30pm Towers and anvils are screaming up over to the South and SW near Goulburn, Bowral. These are some very nice and clear looking updraughts, with that awesome crisp look to them. Even the Anvils look good . The cell near Camden has a nice are of Pink on it ! Gees it looks nice ! Hopefully we will be in for a light show tonight or even a storm ourselves before the Southerly hits ! James H _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >From aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Wed Apr 18 21:54:32 2001 Received: from [199.172.62.20] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBCA7BA2600BA4004379DC7AC3E143AB90; Wed Apr 18 21:52:58 2001 Received: (from daemon at localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20769 for aussie-weather-outgoing; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sgi04-e.std.COM (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20526 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com (world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by sgi04-e.std.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA5847823 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sgi04-e.std.COM (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23393 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f110.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.110]) by sgi04-e.std.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA5808910 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:44:24 -0700 Received: from 152.91.8.248 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 04:44:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.91.8.248] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Dream forecast for Canberra Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:44:24 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 04:44:24.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[686DA780:01C0C88B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Worth noting and salivating over this dream (11.30 am, 19/4) forecast for weather starved Canberra.  Bring it on!

Saturday :  Rain/storms, locally heavy falls            Min:  11     Max:  19
Sunday   :  Rain/storms, locally heavy falls            Min:  13     Max:  20
Monday   :  Rain/storms, locally heavy falls            Min:  8     Max:  19

 



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From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORMS :) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:59:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com i thought there might have been something developing this morning but now it looks good i wan t a storm! or a light show :) but hope that it will be a nice NIGHT :) :) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORMS PS : Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:04:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ps is there something developing withh the change???? the yellow dots near ulladulla should be on the change the change just went through ulladulla so maybe they are going to come with the change????? PS i have no forcasting skills so this is a question thats all :) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: Alistair Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:20:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dont forget Alistair. > >The latest JTWC forecast track is very interesting > >http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/sh2001.gif > >It's one of those late season re-curves towards the SW area if it does that >track, but it's all a matter of timing, the cyclone could decide to move >south early, like what happened with Vance, or it might not re-curve at all. > >Jacob Yea I have been watching this myself, as the models have been quite persistent in parallelling this system along the coast, right around NW Cape. Interestingly, the upper level westerlies are very weak and shifted a long way south in the Eastern Indian Ocean at present, which means this system (exactly as currently forecasted) could make it well south before it gets sheared/ripped eastward. The SSTs (eg http://www.marine.csiro.au/~lband/web_point/) are also very warm in the region a present, and would support a TC down to around Shark Bay, if not a little further south. I would expect many farmer in SW WA would desperately love to see some cloud/rainfall from this system as they are currently in a near record/record drought (e.g., http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/drought.shtml). To top this all off, the models are converging on a major rain/weather event in SE Australia, which will hopefully wash away all memories of those dastardly highs.... Regards, David BTW clocked up only 1.3mm of rain from last nights storms, but counted ~12 thunder claps from some surprisingly small but active cells. Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.224.2] From: "James Harris" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: STORMS - 3:30pm Sydney Update Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:24:33 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 06:24:33.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[66487530:01C0C899] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmmm, I've just seen the bases and oh how excited one can get just from seeing a nice anvil !!! Second look at the cells is showing some weak bases that are extremely high up. Not looking as "nice"as before. Oh well, here's hoping ! >From: "James Harris" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: STORMS - 3:30pm Sydney Update >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:43:24 +1000 > >Hey All, > >What a lovely afternoon.... The Sun has come out, the temp has hit a tad >under 30c and now at 3:30pm Towers and anvils are screaming up over to the >South and SW near Goulburn, Bowral. >These are some very nice and clear looking updraughts, with that awesome >crisp look to them. Even the Anvils look good . The cell near Camden has a >nice are of Pink on it ! Gees it looks nice ! >Hopefully we will be in for a light show tonight or even a storm ourselves >before the Southerly hits ! > >James H > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ><< message3.txt >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.4] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORMS PS : Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 06:26:50 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 06:26:50.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[B809B7D0:01C0C899] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Based on what I can see around Canberra, I wouldn't get too hopefull about possible storms. The airmass ahead of the change is very dry - so there is little rainfall. Looking at the coastal observations as the change has moved up the coast, Merimbula Airport has bagged an impressive 0.2mm. Lucas Heights has received 0.8mm from cells developing well ahead of the change. Today is a day where the radar can be very misleading. It is picking up virga (basically falling snow) near the base of the clouds, but the dry air means most will evaporate well before any precipitation (ie the snow that has melted into rain) gets to the surface. The yellow and red reflectivities are probably showing some cells that are producing enough to provide some localised showers which are unlikely to produce any significant totals (and maybe a flash of lightning) but I don't think the SES would be getting their flood boats out just yet!! Patrick >From: "Dean McWhinney" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORMS PS : >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:04:29 +1000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [199.172.62.20] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCA7CC31006A400437A2C7AC3E1461770; Wed Apr 18 23:09:57 2001 >Received: (from daemon at localhost)by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >CAA26455for aussie-weather-outgoing; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:05:23 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from sgi04-e.std.COM (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134])by >europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26171for >; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:04:01 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from world.std.com (world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5])by >sgi04-e.std.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA5891725for >; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:04:01 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from sgi04-e.std.COM (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134])by >world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03430for >; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:04:00 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (ha1.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au >[203.164.2.50])by sgi04-e.std.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA5899067for >; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:03:59 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from CO3012563A ([203.164.88.48]) by >mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 >201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id ><20010419060358.HWBP13554.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au at CO3012563A> > for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:03:58 >+1000 >From aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Wed Apr 18 23:11:21 2001 >Message-ID: <006c01c0c896$987f40e0$3058a4cb at CO3012563A> >References: <000d01c0aa6d$af3335e0$8d5e5cca at nsykes> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >Precedence: list > > > >ps is there something developing withh the change???? the yellow dots near >ulladulla should be on the change the change just went through ulladulla so >maybe they are going to come with the change????? > >PS i have no forcasting skills so this is a question thats all :) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: mail.cth.com.au: Host port19.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.83] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:33:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: aus-wx: New pages and extra images... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, The Project Atmosphere Australia Online site has been remodelled and the photogalleries added to/new galleries added. Great altocumulus gallery and sunset gallery are the new... I am working on completing a severe weather gallery with the focus on hurricane/cyclone/flood/twister/waterspsout pics. I have 4 pics of hurricane Floyd cloud shield there just now. Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, with links back to you own galleries/sites). We are getting 10,000 plus hits a month now on this weather site from schools all around the world. Some of the new 'fun stuff' - 'weather word puzzles' and 'answers from weather experts' pages - follow classroom activities link. Any help appreciated. More news soon. Sel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for March, April, May 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: mail.cth.com.au: Host port19.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.83] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:46:56 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: aus-wx: Round the World Ballon attempt - data from balloon Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, Steve Fossett will make another attempt at an around the world balloon flight in mid year, starting from Coolgardie in WA and going west to east over the top and assuming he makes it, landing again in WA. A severe storm foiled his last attempt, if you can remember. I have been in contact with folks during the planning phase so as to structure activities for school students around the journey. One bit of news that may interest - we have negotiated the attachment of an automatic weather station to pump real-time data to a web site, so students can analyse it and learn a great deal about the conditions aloft. I will let you all know the URL and timing of the launch etc as I hear... Hope it all goes well - this is a prototype and it will have to be robust! May be interesting to note upper atmosphere data as it goes over Australia? Cheers, Sel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for March, April, May 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New pages and extra images... Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:00:57 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id DAA00501 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Have you got an URL for that, Sel? Laurier On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:33:57 +1000, Sel Kerans wrote: >Hello all, > >The Project Atmosphere Australia Online site has been remodelled and the >photogalleries added to/new galleries added. > >Great altocumulus gallery and sunset gallery are the new... > >I am working on completing a severe weather gallery with the focus on >hurricane/cyclone/flood/twister/waterspsout pics. > >I have 4 pics of hurricane Floyd cloud shield there just now. > >Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, with >links back to you own galleries/sites). > >We are getting 10,000 plus hits a month now on this weather site from >schools all around the world. > >Some of the new 'fun stuff' - 'weather word puzzles' and 'answers from >weather experts' pages - follow classroom activities link. > >Any help appreciated. More news soon. > >Sel. > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sel Kerans > Coordinator \|/ &&&&& > Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" > WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ > Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ > EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v > > ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 > > *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** > *** On-line activities scheduled for March, April, May 2001 *** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney? Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 06:52:44 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id CAA00138 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Keith, I didn't realise you meant the GTS (WMO Global Telecommunications System) data. Unfortunately, IMHO, Australia has a rather bad record in putting its data out into the international community. Apart from the fact that we are the only country in the world that hasn't standardised our observation times (which is why you have to go hunting for the data), we also mix codes in the same bulletin (upper TEMP data) and also don't seem to follow any rational pattern in exchanging international exchange supplementary data (the stuff in between 333 and 555 for each AAXX station obs). That is why you are having problems with max and min temps. The following may help: 1. The only Australian data available for the world standard main and intermediate hours (SM=00,06,12,18, and SI=03,09,15,21) is a minimal set of AWS data which carries no rainfall or max/min data. However, on the rare occasions that this report is generated from a manual observation, the max may be included at 12UTC and the min at 00UTC.. As these are mostly AWS obs, there is no cloud, visibility or weather information either. This is why you are getting intermittent information from Sydney Airport. 2. Almost all Australian surface obs are contained in many bulletins carrying a SNAU (SN=non-standard hour) header. Thus the eastern states 9am obs are found in the SNAU bulletins for 23 UTC, while WA is in the 01UTC bulletin. Unfortunately, the Australian coding practice is to place rounded whole-degree max and min data in the national (i.e. internal) exchange section of the observation (the stuff after 555), so that it doesn't go out over the GTS. It also means that, locally, we only have max and min data to the nearest whole degree (but see item 4!) Most of the rest of the world brought their internal codes into line with international practice decades ago; our coding practices have altered little in the 40 years I have been looking at them. 3. Because most of our useful observations are contained in SNAU bulletins, they are the ones to look for. However, the scripts used by different data carriers overseas get somewhat confused by them. FSU and, I think, most of the others, file them away with drifting buoy data!. I usually use the Nexlab files at College of Dupage, where the Australian bulletins do get put into the SYNOP files -- use http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/ for the SYNOPS and http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/ for the uppers. This source seems to have fewer outages, though it only has a 48-hour archive. BTW, Scripps Institute produces useful daily compilations of global ship observations at http://meteora.ucsd.edu/weather/observations/ships/ and drifting buoys at http://meteora.ucsd.edu/weather/observations/buoys/. 4. Australian AWS's do report a min temp to 00 UTC and a max temp to 12 UTC, both to one decimal point. Unfortunately, these only get exchanged nationally. If you're after max, min and 24-hour rainfalls, the best source is the SILO data at ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon/home/ncc/www/rainfall/totals/daily/data/history/nat/ for rainfall and ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon/home/ncc/www/temperature/silo/daily/data/history/nat/ for temps. It appears at 04 UTC daily, with a second, more complete version at 06 UTC. It also appears to be sourced in large part directly from electronic field books, so that many manual stations' max and min are to one decimal point. Unfortunately, however, it appears to rely on the normal SYNOP reports for the major Bureau-staffed stations, which means that places like Sydney Airport only get reported to the nearest degree, a source of continuing frustration to Blair when temps approach record territory ;-) Hope this helps. Laurier On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:08:00 +0100, "Keith Harris" wrote: >Thanks for that:- > >94768 45/// ///// 10248 20147 30163 40211 57022 > 333 20150= > >max = 15°c >whereas:- > >94767 41775 20203 10251 20124 30201 40207 58022 70500 81831= > >No max? always unrelieble. > >The link I use is:- > >http://www.met.fsu.edu/Data/archive/surface/syn/?N=D > >What would you suggest for Australian synops? > >btw - I have to look through:- 01:00, 02:00, 13:00, 14:00 & 22:00, 23:00 to >get max - min an rainfall for them. Is there a better url I should use? > >Many thanks > >Keith (Southend) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.108.0.58] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New pages and extra images... Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:23:03 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 07:23:03.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[926200C0:01C0C8A1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey, umm... maybe you just didnt notice but if you look further down the page you should find the url there. Michael Olsen >From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New pages and extra images... >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:00:57 GMT > >Have you got an URL for that, Sel? > >Laurier > > >On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:33:57 +1000, Sel Kerans > wrote: > > >Hello all, > > > >The Project Atmosphere Australia Online site has been remodelled and the > >photogalleries added to/new galleries added. > > > >Great altocumulus gallery and sunset gallery are the new... > > > >I am working on completing a severe weather gallery with the focus on > >hurricane/cyclone/flood/twister/waterspsout pics. > > > >I have 4 pics of hurricane Floyd cloud shield there just now. > > > >Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, >with > >links back to you own galleries/sites). > > > >We are getting 10,000 plus hits a month now on this weather site from > >schools all around the world. > > > >Some of the new 'fun stuff' - 'weather word puzzles' and 'answers from > >weather experts' pages - follow classroom activities link. > > > >Any help appreciated. More news soon. > > > >Sel. > > > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Sel Kerans > > Coordinator \|/ &&&&& > > Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" > > WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ > > Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ > > EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v > > > > ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 > > > > *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** > > *** On-line activities scheduled for March, April, May 2001 *** > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: "aussieweather" Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Forecast.... Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:26:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
The 3:30 Sydney forecast--
 
Headline :    Southerly change tonight. Showers increasing tomorrow.

Saturday :    Rain periods, chance thunderstorm. SE winds.
              City:   Min:  16    Max:  21

Sunday   :    Rain periods, chance thunderstorm. N/NE winds
              City:   Min:  17    Max:  22

Monday   :    Rain periods, chance thunderstorm. NW winds.
              City:   Min:  17    Max:  21

Trend for  Tuesday   Wednesday and  Thursday :
Few showers/chance thunderstorm Tuesday, clearing Wednesday.
 
 
Again the weather gods have spun their wheel. With both NSW state reps defecting south for the weekend, luck would have it that it looks like a good weekend weather-wise for Sydney. The first for awhile.
 
We have had a very warm Autumn thus far. Temps have been above average by 4-5 degrees for the last week or so. We have had  a week of +28 temps out west. About three weeks ago it looked like it might have descended into winter but summer has popped its head up once more. Maybe this change will officially see the end to our Indian Summer (any ideas where that term comes from?)
 
dann
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From: "Adam Troy Cole" To: Subject: aus-wx: Allright!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:55:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
The forecast for Southern Downs looks surprisingly good for next 6 das or so
 
IDF45Q13
DARLING DOWNS AND GRANITE BELT DISTRICT
Fine most of the district. Overnight and morning fog patches. Chance of a shower
or thunderstorm in the SW Downs late Friday. Light to moderate winds, mostly E
to NE.
Outlook for Saturday   ... Cloudy. Isolated showers N and W, possible
thunderstorm SW parts.
Outlook for Sunday     ... Cloudy and cool with some light rain.
 
IDF20Q00
EXTENDED OUTLOOK
A weak ridge along the east coast will be maintained until Sunday, generating
SE  to E trade winds and a few showers along the coast.  A front will move into
the southwest of the State on Friday and then move into eastern districts by
Sunday night. An amplifying upper trough in conjunction with this front will
generate a cloud band with some possible rain and local thunder  over the 
southern interior by Saturday which will then move across southern and central
parts of the state to reach the coast on Sunday. Rainfall will generally be
light however it may become a little more general over the SE quarter of the
state. Most of the rain should clear seawards on Monday with just isolated
showers and thunderstorms lingering about southern border parts
.  Much cooler
conditions will develop over the State in the wake of this cloud band.   
From: "Max King" To: Subject: aus-wx: Lightning near Sydney Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:06:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi group,
 
Just received a call from Mal Ninnes (6.05pm) reporting plenty of CC lightning in the cloud tops. He says that it appears to be in the Wollongong area.
 
Max
From: "Karratha Weather" To: Subject: aus-wx: TC Alistair now moving SW towards the Pilbara Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:34:15 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all..
 
Looks like the Pilbara Coast will be placed on a TC Warning TONIGHT if TC Alistair keeps his present speed and direction.
During tomorrow it could start to weaken as it moves into an area of high windshear :/
But we'll see!
Some nice Rain will do me fine.......ive had 0.0mm so far this month :(

Here is the latest Advice:
 
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
 
Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should be used with this warning.
 
TOP PRIORITY
 
TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 23
Issued at 3:50 pm WST on Thursday, 19 April 2001
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
 
A CYCLONE WATCH is current for coastal areas between Port Hedland and Exmouth. 
 
At 3 pm WST TROPICAL CYCLONE ALISTAIR was estimated to be 455 kilometres
northnortheast of Port Hedland and 200 kilometres northwest of Broome and moving
southwest at 25 kilometres per hour.
 
Gales are not expected in coastal areas between Port Hedland and Exmouth in the
next 24 hours.
 
Details of tropical cyclone Alistair at 3pm WST.
 
  Location of centre : within 50 kilometres of
                       Latitude 16.8 South Longitude 120.8 East.
  Recent movement    : Southwest at 25 kilometres per hour.
  Central Pressure   : 975 hPa.
  Maximum wind gusts : 165 kilometres per hour near the centre.
  Severity category  : 2.
 
The State Emergency Service advises that there are no community alerts current.
 
The next advice will be issued at 7 pm WST.
 
This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210. For inquiries about community
alerts contact the State Emergency Service.
 
A map showing the track of the cyclone can be found at:
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/wa/cyclone
 
Regards
 
JJ
 
Karratha WA
ICQ: 6187498
X-Originating-IP: [203.108.0.58] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning near Sydney Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:16:07 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 09:16:08.0071 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E265170:01C0C8B1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey all! Anyone hu is out in western sydney if they were to cast their eyes out to the west over the mountains there is quite a niec little storm with flashes bout once every 20 or 30 seconds.... oh im so hyped! storm adrenaline! ah seeing lightning feels soo god! Must be off, Michael >From: "Max King" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Lightning near Sydney >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:06:57 +1000 > >Hi group, > >Just received a call from Mal Ninnes (6.05pm) reporting plenty of CC >lightning in the cloud tops. He says that it appears to be in the >Wollongong area. > >Max _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: "Austarlian Weather Maillist" Subject: aus-wx: Out of the loop Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:28:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: ausns1.austasia.net 1.6.2 0/1101/N Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Just a quick email to let you all know I will be out of the loop for the next week and a half as I will be hollidaying in Brisbane. I will be able to check my email occasionally, but will be away from the computer for almost all the time. If anyone needs me desperately, I can be contacted on my mobile on 0418 369 256. Talk to you all when I get back. PaulY Paul Yole Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA 0418 369 256 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.108.0.57] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning near Sydney Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:35:03 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 09:35:03.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[02F39440:01C0C8B4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey, still lightning going on over the mountains but my main focus has moved to the cell to the west of camden. much closer and much more interesting.... Michael Olsen >From: "Max King" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Lightning near Sydney >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:06:57 +1000 > >Hi group, > >Just received a call from Mal Ninnes (6.05pm) reporting plenty of CC >lightning in the cloud tops. He says that it appears to be in the >Wollongong area. > >Max _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.108.0.57] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning near Sydney Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:35:17 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 09:35:17.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B4BA830:01C0C8B4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey, still lightning going on over the mountains but my main focus has moved to the cell to the west of camden. much closer and much more interesting.... showing a bit of pink on da radar Michael Olsen >From: "Max King" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Lightning near Sydney >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:06:57 +1000 > >Hi group, > >Just received a call from Mal Ninnes (6.05pm) reporting plenty of CC >lightning in the cloud tops. He says that it appears to be in the >Wollongong area. > >Max _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: aus-wx: Light show :) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:44:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hehe i love this nice show of lightning very very nice yellow lightning im enjoying it get out and have a look to the west guys you will enjoy it :) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New pages and extra images... Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:01:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What do you want, I have pics of just about every cloud type ? Michael > Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, with > links back to you own galleries/sites). > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Apparently-From: From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: LOW for SE Australia. Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:54:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all This system is looking very interesting, and if a few things come together we could be looking at very heavy rains, if not flood rains in parts of SE Australia (though the dryness of late may prevent this) Looking at the latest sat pic you can see the cloud associated with the strong thermal trough to the SW of Victoria. All the models have some form of low pressure system forming in the SE, and most of them have it producing very heavy rainfall. The position of the low is very important to where and how much rain we will see. The BOM are favouring a position in Eastern Victoria/Bass Strait. This will see the heaviets rains dragged into gippsland. Further east and SE NSW will see heavy rain. The models have this system been very slow moving with it still effecting Vic on Tuesday. Certainly a system to watch. Also interesting is the longer term. The models are hinting at potentially a strong cold outbreak towards the end of next week. The synoptic situation should be favourable with the low weakening the high pressure ridge over Australia and a strong high to the SE of NZ and to the west of WA. Any fronts should have no problems moving north. Nick Sykes ----- Original Message ----- > It is still a couple of days, off but the "models" are all falling into line > in predicting major cyclogenesis over SE Australia over the weekend. The > lead up to this event makes for "interesting" viewing as a major thickness > trough (tongue of cold air) - the makings of which can currently be seen > south of the bight - "advects" north to lie near the Victorian coast by > Friday night. > > Guess the real interest in the lead up is the intensity of the thermal > trough - freezing levels over Bass Strait near 1200m - and the fact that the > thickness trough initially coincides with very high surface pressures (~1028 > hPa+), and a strong high near Tasmania. The air associated with this thermal > trough is very cold for this time of year, which could make for some very > low overnight temperatures, particularly over Tassie and highland snow. > Anyway, through the weekend, a "classical" easterly type dip develops as the > baroclinic zone on the north side of the trough amplifies, with rapid > development of a low over Victoria in the ~36 hours to Sunday night. The > low/trough then looks like remaining situated near Victoria for a few days, > before being captured sometime next week (of course this is a long long long > way off in model land). > > Anyway, I guess the things to watch for with this system will be; > possible thunderstorms over NSW on Thurs/Fri ahead of the strong thermal > trough (current forecasted ToTTot values 50-60). > snow and cold temperature over Tassie Thurs/Fri and prob cold night > temperature for parts of Victoria. > Widespread rain developing over Victoria and adjacent areas over the weekend > as the low develops. > > Cut-off systems like this one seem to be predicted quite reliably by the > models, but the exact weather experienced is very sensitive to the placement > of the low centre. > > BTW for those further west, the current "near record/record" Indian Summer > may break late on the weekend/early next week with the development of a low > in the eastern Indian Ocean. > > Cheers, > > David. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 19 Apr 01 20:45:04 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Forecast.... Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello dann! 19 Apr 01 17:26, you wrote to aussieweather: dw> Again the weather gods have spun their wheel. With both NSW state reps dw> = defecting south for the weekend, luck would have it that it looks dw> like a = good weekend weather-wise for Sydney. The first for awhile. And I'm going to be in Sydney to see it! :) Up there for work reasons for several days from Friday. :) Tony, VK3JED .. s, but I have seen'em kill mice. -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Front Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:26:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
just arrived at my place at petersham nothing major yet but at syd airport there was 34 knot gust so it may be coming
From: "Keith Harris" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney? Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:25:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Laurie, Many thanks for such a detailed e-mail, I will now spend some time looking through them. Keith (Southend) ************************************************** A member of COL situated 3 miles NW of Southend-on-Sea centre. at 15m a.s.l. in Essex. COL No. 36052 TQ ************************************************** keith.r.e.harris at btinternet.com ICQ#50571585 mIRC Snow_SE Join us in #ukweather on Austnet for a chat. Down load Mirc to chat at: http://www.mirc.co.uk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Natures signs Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:26:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Another of nature's "signs" showed up this morning. The "Jays", currawongs I think their real name is, have come down out of the hills which usually means its too cold or about to become very cold up their. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: "aussieweather" Subject: aus-wx: Blue Mountains rain Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:10:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
A nice little storm has just swept thru here in Blaxland, bringing 15mm in 10 minutes!! Lots of deep rumbles too! By the looks of the sat it might be one of those imbedded rain/storm setups. A great way to start the day :)
 
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X-Authentication-Warning: mail.cth.com.au: Host port12.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.76] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:07:04 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: Re: aus-wx: New pages and extra images... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello, The URL: (sorry for omitting it - was in signature tho' ...) http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa For photo galleries: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/photogallery.htm At 07:00 19/04/01 GMT, you wrote: >Have you got an URL for that, Sel? > >Laurier > > >On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:33:57 +1000, Sel Kerans > wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>The Project Atmosphere Australia Online site has been remodelled and the >>photogalleries added to/new galleries added. >> >>Great altocumulus gallery and sunset gallery are the new... >> >>I am working on completing a severe weather gallery with the focus on >>hurricane/cyclone/flood/twister/waterspsout pics. >> >>I have 4 pics of hurricane Floyd cloud shield there just now. >> >>Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, with >>links back to you own galleries/sites). >> >>We are getting 10,000 plus hits a month now on this weather site from >>schools all around the world. >> >>Some of the new 'fun stuff' - 'weather word puzzles' and 'answers from >>weather experts' pages - follow classroom activities link. >> >>Any help appreciated. More news soon. >> >>Sel. >> >> >> >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Sel Kerans >> Coordinator \|/ &&&&& >> Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" >> WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ >> Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ >> EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v >> >> ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 >> >> *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** >> *** On-line activities scheduled for March, April, May 2001 *** >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for March, April, May 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:30:29 +0100 (BST) From: Mario Paul Subject: aus-wx: bushwalk cancelled !! To: weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The planned aswa bushwalk has been cancelled for 2 reasons: Firstly lack of interest ! secondly : heavy rain is expected and flash flooding in the creeks can be dangerous ( as well as possible lightning strikes) Oh well maybe next time. Sorry to inconvenience anyone who had planned to go but I had no confirmations from anyone apart from jimmy deguara and matt piper. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free at yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free at yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Natures signs Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:24:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Bussie, Funny you should mention that - I had the currawongs down my way for the first time a month ago - the earliest I can ever remember them......in Canberra, that used to be 'a sign' pointing to a long cold winter - it'll be interesting to see whether it's the dry conditions or the impending cold weather that's sending them dpwn this early. Now, if I hear the gang-gangs before June....... Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Another of nature's "signs" showed up this morning. The "Jays", currawongs I think their real name is, have come down out of the hills which usually means its too cold or about to become very cold up their. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Natures signs Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:47:40 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Everyone - What's a currawong - a bird??? Les Les Crossan & Christine Challen, UK Storm Chasers, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W www.uksevereweather.org.uk Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Adam Mayo" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: bushwalk cancelled !! Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:28:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Mario, Jimmy, Matt, If there is no bush walk are any of you going 'storm' chasing in the mountains? Please let us know if anyone is going up there anyway. Judy Mayo. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mario Paul To: weather Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:30 AM Subject: aus-wx: bushwalk cancelled !! > The planned aswa bushwalk has been cancelled for 2 > reasons: Firstly lack of interest ! > secondly : heavy rain is expected and flash flooding > in the creeks can be dangerous ( as well as possible > lightning strikes) Oh well maybe next time. Sorry to > inconvenience anyone who had planned to go but I had > no confirmations from anyone apart from jimmy deguara > and matt piper. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free at yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free at yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.3] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Natures signs Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:51:47 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 23:51:47.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2551130:01C0C92B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Les, It is a bit like a large Magpie (even the European one). Some good pictures are here: http://www.eitw.edu.au/HB/birds/p_currawong/p_currawong.htm http://www.eitw.edu.au/HB/birds/p_currawong/p_currawong_HB_1.htm http://www.eitw.edu.au/HB/birds/p_currawong/currawong1.jpg Currawongs stand about a 25cm high and are about 30cm long (very roughly). I haven't seen too many currawongs around Canberra recently - so that sign of a long, cold winter is yet to appear. I am looking for them though... Regards, Patrick >Everyone - > >What's a currawong - a bird??? > >Les >Les Crossan & Christine Challen, _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [155.144.17.252] From: "Simon" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Weather Predictions (joke) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:51:03 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2001 00:51:03.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[F99E7380:01C0C933] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com



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From: "Peter Matters" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Natures signs Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:38:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Around Broadford when the Currawongs make a sound like a wolfwhistle, a change is expected in 24/48 hrs. Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussie Sent: Friday, 20 April 2001 07:27 To: weather list Subject: aus-wx: Natures signs Another of nature's "signs" showed up this morning. The "Jays", currawongs I think their real name is, have come down out of the hills which usually means its too cold or about to become very cold up their. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Peter Matters" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Natures signs Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:40:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A Currawong is a close relative of the Crow. Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Tobin Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2001 23:52 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Natures signs Hi Les, It is a bit like a large Magpie (even the European one). Some good pictures are here: http://www.eitw.edu.au/HB/birds/p_currawong/p_currawong.htm http://www.eitw.edu.au/HB/birds/p_currawong/p_currawong_HB_1.htm http://www.eitw.edu.au/HB/birds/p_currawong/currawong1.jpg Currawongs stand about a 25cm high and are about 30cm long (very roughly). I haven't seen too many currawongs around Canberra recently - so that sign of a long, cold winter is yet to appear. I am looking for them though... Regards, Patrick >Everyone - > >What's a currawong - a bird??? > >Les >Les Crossan & Christine Challen, _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: bushwalk cancelled !! Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:05:07 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Friday 20 April 2001 09:28, you wrote: > Hi Mario, Jimmy, Matt, > > If there is no bush walk are any of you going 'storm' chasing in the > mountains? Please let us know if anyone is going up there anyway. Why don't you combine the buskwalk with a storm chase? SAVE MONEY ON FUEL!! Chase on foot. Instead of driving all over the roads like madmen - run all over the roads like madmen.... :-)))))))) David P.S. For the humor-impaired that was a joke..... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Natures signs Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:54:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah. Sorry Les. Looks like a cross between a raven and a large magpie. Or a black and white raven. The buggers can make a hell of a mess at times on the washing etc as well as re-gurgitating some of their food. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Crossan" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Natures signs > Everyone - > > What's a currawong - a bird??? > > Les > Les Crossan & Christine Challen, > UK Storm Chasers, > Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W > www.uksevereweather.org.uk > > Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.3] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Strong temp gradient over SE NSW Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:08:22 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2001 05:08:22.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC3F8F20:01C0C957] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 2pm today - as the sky clears around Canberra and we head for 20 degrees (currently 17.5 with the sun coming out), I notice some much colder temps not too far away. Braidwood is currently on 10.4, Bombala is on 8.7 and Cooma Airport (approx 250m higher than Canberra) is on 7.9 degrees. This time yesterday, the temperature at Cooma Airport was 23.9 - a drop of 16 degrees - quite a contrast for this time of year. The arrival of the change at Cooma Airport resulted in a drop from 21.3 to 11.8 between 6pm and 7pm last night. Some interesting storms (possibly severe) seem to be showing up on radar on the north side of this thermal trough (ie from Goulburn north to about Scone). Patrick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.134.155.119] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: heavy rain/storms encroaching Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:11:11 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2001 08:11:11.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[763053E0:01C0C971] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A large band of heavy rain/storms from the hunter/central tablelands has started to move SSW towards Sydney (615pm). Visibility is poor at the moment but flashes are still starting to light up from the nw and there is some low thunder once a minute. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: aus-wx: Hunter Valley Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:23:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
might be an interesting night in the Hunter tonight.  We have the sound, but so far no lights.  However, Singleton is sure to be having some fun.
X-Originating-IP: [203.134.155.119] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:25:18 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2001 08:25:18.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F134610:01C0C973] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 6.30pm,, Very heavy rain sweeping in now, non stop thunder, visibility has improved (gusty winds?), and very nice lightning now , time to go enjoy the show :),,, Rune _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:16:34 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: CHASE: This weekend? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Immediately after tomorrow's Vic ASWA meeting, I'm thinking of heading northeast into NSW to see if I can catch some storm action, with the option of perhaps staying overnight somewhere in NSW to chase on Sunday as well. Looking at the AVN forecast around Wagga for tomorrow 4pm shows CAPE~1000, LI~-5, low level RH~75%. These values of course get better the more northeast one heads. On Sunday, the same region looks good. What are other people's views/advice? Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "James Chambers" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:53:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all During tonight's NRL match between Parra and Canterbury there was a tremendous FLANG as lightning struck just outside Parramatta Stadium. Unfortunately just before the flang I had looked away from the TV but still saw the bright light in the corner of my eye. The thunder shook the stadium and I thought that it may have struck inside but luckily no. The commentators said "whoa that was close!" or something similar to that. It was pretty scarey to see as the "hill" at the stadium was heavily populated with people under umbrellas. Reminded me of the soccer match in South Africa 2 or 3 years ago when lightning actually struck the playing surface, injuring many of the players. I believe tonight the cameramen were moved off the grandstand roof (?) after the CG occurred. It could have been too late... Anyhow luckily the CG hit outside the stadium. Regards James Chambers Qld > 6.30pm,, Very heavy rain sweeping in now, non stop thunder, visibility has > improved (gusty winds?), and very nice lightning now , time to go enjoy the > show :),,, Rune +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:04:06 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 19:14 17/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >OK John I have to ask ! if you are retired why do you choose to live in >Christchurch. From your posts it does seem like a rather benign weather >region. Why not somewhere on the west coast ? > >Michael >Hi Michael >Yes I have to agree I would be heading for the west coast , Hokitika (I >think that's how you spell it ) with about 2500mm a year and 26 days with >thunder, lots of hail and snow capped mountains to stare at ,some good surf >too.regards Clyve H. Micheal and Clyve, Yes a good question indeed. There's more to life than just the weather, you know I have a lovely home and wife plus other reasons why I wish to remain here. Why move?? The West coast does live up to it's reputation with all sorts of weather including tornadoes. The thunderstorms on the West Coast have mainly sheet type of lightning ones and don't look all that spectacular anyway.Quite boring really as thunderstorms go. The population on the West coast is sparse. Tornadoes/waterspouts go un-noticed and usually no-one is at hand with a camera/video-camera to record such events. Any such events that do occur on the eastcoast of the South Island CAN be quite spectacular and more noticeable mainly because they occur less often than such like weather events that occur in other areas/regions nationally and globally. JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Society +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:55:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just returned from the AFL in Sydney to see the mighty bombers do their best impersonation of ducks and trounce the swans. As i am avid supporter of both teams watching them play its much like watching your mother in law drive off the cliff your new BMW, there is positives and negatives. Anway besides getting drenched, i witnessed a couple of lovely purple anvil crawlers. There was lightning popping around the ground all evening and a couple of close ones too. Sydney radar looks awesome at the moment. Massive developing rainband with red, pink scattered. Satpic shows a massive and explosion of cloud in the last 24 hours, with nice thick band over SE NSW. I think there could be widespread 50mm falls over night and possibly 100mm falls too. Have had 32mm here at Blaxland to 12:30am, but just down the road at Glenbrook (about 2km) only the 8mm. Whats the falls been like of the next ridge matt? ____________________________ Daniel Weatherhead weatherhead at ozemail.com.au ============================ SYDNEY STORM CHASERS http://www.sydneystormchasers.com ============================ ----- Original Message ----- From: James Chambers To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) > Hi all > > During tonight's NRL match between Parra and Canterbury there was a > tremendous FLANG as lightning struck just outside Parramatta Stadium. > Unfortunately just before the flang I had looked away from the TV but still > saw the bright light in the corner of my eye. The thunder shook the stadium > and I thought that it may have struck inside but luckily no. The > commentators said "whoa that was close!" or something similar to that. > > It was pretty scarey to see as the "hill" at the stadium was heavily > populated with people under umbrellas. Reminded me of the soccer match in > South Africa 2 or 3 years ago when lightning actually struck the playing > surface, injuring many of the players. I believe tonight the cameramen were > moved off the grandstand roof (?) after the CG occurred. It could have been > too late... > > Anyhow luckily the CG hit outside the stadium. > > Regards > James Chambers > Qld > > > > 6.30pm,, Very heavy rain sweeping in now, non stop thunder, visibility has > > improved (gusty winds?), and very nice lightning now , time to go enjoy > the > > show :),,, Rune > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Adam Mayo" To: "Australian Severe Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:07:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Mona Vale, NSW 9am 21.04.01 Hi Everyone, Well we got lucky last night, thunder and lightning for what seemed like most of the night and a grand total of 62.5 mm of rain by 9 am this morning. The sky is still promising much more to come. Judy Mayo. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p138-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.138] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:35:26 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Judy, We had 30mm of rain here but apparently other areas got almost double such as Blacktown. Why does that not surprise me.... It should be a great day for rain and embedded storms - perhaps some heavier falls with the storms. Extremely unstable air around. I tell you what, if the sun was to break through it would really take off. Tomorrow looks much better particularly if it goes according to plan and the rain band clears in a line NNE-SSW forward tilting. Storms developing behind in this situation will be severe and a nice line will develop. Jimmy Deguara At 09:07 AM 21/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Mona Vale, NSW 9am 21.04.01 > >Hi Everyone, > >Well we got lucky last night, thunder and lightning for what seemed like >most of the night and a grand total of 62.5 mm of rain by 9 am this morning. > >The sky is still promising much more to come. > >Judy Mayo. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:41:02 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Willmot in Sydney's west had 74 mm to 9 am this morning including 52 mm in 40 minutes around 7.20 last night - I think that's near Blacktown, isn't it, Jimmy?? Heavy storms - + 35 mm in the hour on the central coast at 2 am as well. Cheers, Don White Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi Judy, > > We had 30mm of rain here but apparently other areas got almost double such > as Blacktown. Why does that not surprise me.... > > It should be a great day for rain and embedded storms - perhaps some > heavier falls with the storms. Extremely unstable air around. I tell you > what, if the sun was to break through it would really take off. > > Tomorrow looks much better particularly if it goes according to plan and > the rain band clears in a line NNE-SSW forward tilting. Storms developing > behind in this situation will be severe and a nice line will develop. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 09:07 AM 21/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Mona Vale, NSW 9am 21.04.01 > > > >Hi Everyone, > > > >Well we got lucky last night, thunder and lightning for what seemed like > >most of the night and a grand total of 62.5 mm of rain by 9 am this morning. > > > >The sky is still promising much more to come. > > > >Judy Mayo. > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p138-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.138] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:02:55 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes that is W-SW of me Don and that is a large difference. Of course, 30mm is not bad for Schofields. Jimmy Deguara At 09:41 PM 20/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Willmot in Sydney's west had 74 mm to 9 am this morning including 52 mm >in 40 minutes around 7.20 last night - I think that's near Blacktown, >isn't it, Jimmy?? >Heavy storms - + 35 mm in the hour on the central coast at 2 am as well. >Cheers, >Don White > > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > Hi Judy, > > > > We had 30mm of rain here but apparently other areas got almost double such > > as Blacktown. Why does that not surprise me.... > > > > It should be a great day for rain and embedded storms - perhaps some > > heavier falls with the storms. Extremely unstable air around. I tell you > > what, if the sun was to break through it would really take off. > > > > Tomorrow looks much better particularly if it goes according to plan and > > the rain band clears in a line NNE-SSW forward tilting. Storms developing > > behind in this situation will be severe and a nice line will develop. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 09:07 AM 21/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >Mona Vale, NSW 9am 21.04.01 > > > > > >Hi Everyone, > > > > > >Well we got lucky last night, thunder and lightning for what seemed like > > >most of the night and a grand total of 62.5 mm of rain by 9 am this > morning. > > > > > >The sky is still promising much more to come. > > > > > >Judy Mayo. > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Matthew Piper" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:27:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Dann and others, I have received 34mm here in Blaxland up til 9am this morning and a further 2mm since. Those storms last night over Sydney were great to watch as I was coming home from work. There was one FLANG just before I finished work at 8pm which made me jump out of my seat hehehehe. Matthew Piper ----- Original Message ----- From: "dann weatherhead" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:55 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) > Just returned from the AFL in Sydney to see the mighty bombers do their best > impersonation of ducks and trounce the swans. As i am avid supporter of both > teams watching them play its much like watching your mother in law drive > off the cliff your new BMW, there is positives and negatives. > > > Anway besides getting drenched, i witnessed a couple of lovely purple anvil > crawlers. There was lightning popping around the ground all evening and a > couple of close ones too. Sydney radar looks awesome at the moment. Massive > developing rainband with red, pink scattered. Satpic shows a massive and > explosion of cloud in the last 24 hours, with nice thick band over SE NSW. I > think there could be widespread 50mm falls over night and possibly 100mm > falls too. Have had 32mm here at Blaxland to 12:30am, but just down the road > at Glenbrook (about 2km) only the 8mm. > > Whats the falls been like of the next ridge matt? > ____________________________ > Daniel Weatherhead > weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > ============================ > SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > ============================ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Chambers > To: > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) > > > > Hi all > > > > During tonight's NRL match between Parra and Canterbury there was a > > tremendous FLANG as lightning struck just outside Parramatta Stadium. > > Unfortunately just before the flang I had looked away from the TV but > still > > saw the bright light in the corner of my eye. The thunder shook the > stadium > > and I thought that it may have struck inside but luckily no. The > > commentators said "whoa that was close!" or something similar to that. > > > > It was pretty scarey to see as the "hill" at the stadium was heavily > > populated with people under umbrellas. Reminded me of the soccer match in > > South Africa 2 or 3 years ago when lightning actually struck the playing > > surface, injuring many of the players. I believe tonight the cameramen > were > > moved off the grandstand roof (?) after the CG occurred. It could have > been > > too late... > > > > Anyhow luckily the CG hit outside the stadium. > > > > Regards > > James Chambers > > Qld > > > > > > > 6.30pm,, Very heavy rain sweeping in now, non stop thunder, visibility > has > > > improved (gusty winds?), and very nice lightning now , time to go enjoy > > the > > > show :),,, Rune > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Rhett Blanch To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 198.142.207.11 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I don't what it was about last night, Flangs galore. I was eating dinner in Crows Nest last night two FLANGs about 10 minutes apart had dinners diving under tables (particularly those at tables out on the street). The first was the best, quite a few people screamed and more than a couple of people spilled there drinks. This was followed by quite a heavy downpour. Mainly drizzle in St Leonards this morning. Very low cloud obscuring my view of the TV towers at Gore Hill and Artarmon at present. Rhett Blanch ------Original Message------ From: "Matthew Piper" To: Sent: April 21, 2001 12:27:08 AM GMT Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) Hi Dann and others, I have received 34mm here in Blaxland up til 9am this morning and a further 2mm since. Those storms last night over Sydney were great to watch as I was coming home from work. There was one FLANG just before I finished work at 8pm which made me jump out of my seat hehehehe. Matthew Piper ----- Original Message ----- From: "dann weatherhead" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:55 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) > Just returned from the AFL in Sydney to see the mighty bombers do their best > impersonation of ducks and trounce the swans. As i am avid supporter of both > teams watching them play its much like watching your mother in law drive > off the cliff your new BMW, there is positives and negatives. > > > Anway besides getting drenched, i witnessed a couple of lovely purple anvil > crawlers. There was lightning popping around the ground all evening and a > couple of close ones too. Sydney radar looks awesome at the moment. Massive > developing rainband with red, pink scattered. Satpic shows a massive and > explosion of cloud in the last 24 hours, with nice thick band over SE NSW. I > think there could be widespread 50mm falls over night and possibly 100mm > falls too. Have had 32mm here at Blaxland to 12:30am, but just down the road > at Glenbrook (about 2km) only the 8mm. > > Whats the falls been like of the next ridge matt? > ____________________________ > Daniel Weatherhead > weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > ============================ > SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > ============================ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Chambers > To: > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning a plenty (flang at the footy) > > > > Hi all > > > > During tonight's NRL match between Parra and Canterbury there was a > > tremendous FLANG as lightning struck just outside Parramatta Stadium. > > Unfortunately just before the flang I had looked away from the TV but > still > > saw the bright light in the corner of my eye. The thunder shook the > stadium > > and I thought that it may have struck inside but luckily no. The > > commentators said "whoa that was close!" or something similar to that. > > > > It was pretty scarey to see as the "hill" at the stadium was heavily > > populated with people under umbrellas. Reminded me of the soccer match in > > South Africa 2 or 3 years ago when lightning actually struck the playing > > surface, injuring many of the players. I believe tonight the cameramen > were > > moved off the grandstand roof (?) after the CG occurred. It could have > been > > too late... > > > > Anyhow luckily the CG hit outside the stadium. > > > > Regards > > James Chambers > > Qld > > > > > > > 6.30pm,, Very heavy rain sweeping in now, non stop thunder, visibility > has > > > improved (gusty winds?), and very nice lightning now , time to go enjoy > > the > > > show :),,, Rune > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Rhett Blanch 43/23 Herbert St St Leonards NSW 2065 0412669620 ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p138-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.138] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:15:32 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Breaking some little news Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I have known for some time but it has taken until yesterday Friday that I got a chance to have a pree-recorded interview with The Today Show. It should air on Monday or Tuesday depending on the more important logies.... Unfortunately I did not get much of a chance to mention much else as it seemed more directed at me and it was only a 5 minute interview. So ASWA only got mentioned once though I did wear my ASWA T-shirt!!!!! I don't know how it went but we shall see when it comes through. They should use some of my footage so it will be interesting to know what "they" decided to choose for the "viewers".... Oh well they know what is needed. Hopefully, this may have a positive impact on ASWA but again I am disappointed that I was not able to mention the ASWA URL but oh well. Jimmy Deguara ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: My Website - slight change to address and our rain. Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:03:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Blackheath 10am - Moderate to heavy rain overnight - Thunder last night and this morning - 43mm to 9am. Currently 11C. Hi all, I've made a slight change to my web site address as the old file name may have caused a problem in old browsers and indeed my local isp's server. Its now a small "b" for blackhth.htm. http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm Sorry for the change, thought it was for the best. There are quite a few folk that use old browsers up here, ie: Lithgow Library and local homes etc. Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au Blackheath Weather: http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: STA for Victoria Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:13:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com STA issued for Northern and central Victoria at 1.04pm Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p138-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.138] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:21:10 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: US Storm Chasing Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, This was the second piece of news which was confirmed yesterday. David Croan and I will be going to the United States this year. We will leave here on 13th May and get back 10th June 2001. I am looking forward to this trip. One thing that may be of interest for those going in 2003 is that we considered buying a car rather than hiring. Speaking to Michael Scollay, he suggested otherwise as you cannot get insurance unless you have permanent residency or have a green card.... If that is the case, I will not take the risk of not being insured - particularly not in the US. This means we are to rent a car. By renting the cars you have insurance as it is a part of the international system of insurance. Pity though. Oh well. I hope we can get something during the time we are there. I believe that predicting the weather over there would be somewhat challenging particularly since the systems are very dynamic and also there is incredible wind shear. Anyway, it will be interesting to see what they have on offer this season. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p138-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.138] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:23:14 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: My Website - slight change to address and our rain. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good move Lindsay, I have learned through my own experience to not use upper case in URL's. The amoubnt of errors we detected in the statistics was incredible with just one link. Jimmy Deguara At 10:03 AM 21/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Blackheath 10am - Moderate to heavy rain overnight - Thunder last night and >this morning - 43mm to 9am. Currently 11C. > >Hi all, > >I've made a slight change to my web site address as the old file name may >have caused a problem in old browsers and indeed my local isp's server. Its >now a small "b" for blackhth.htm. > >http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm > >Sorry for the change, thought it was for the best. There are quite a few >folk that use old browsers up here, ie: Lithgow Library and local homes etc. > > >Lindsay Pearce >Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW >Email: violin at lisp.com.au >Blackheath Weather: > http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p43-tnt5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.136.43] claimed to be zaphodws From: "John Dryden" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:55:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all I live in Blacktown and we had an amazing display of lightning last night, with one so close it made me drop to the floor in the kitchen!!! I didn't feel so silly when I noticed hubby also cowering in lounge! It must of hit in the golf course behind our house??? We watched it through a window with the lights off for ages, is this safe? safer than outside I guess? Can anyone tell me where I can buy a rain guage, our backyard was flooded last night I would of liked to know exactly how much did fall here. Thanks Philisity Dryden -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2001 9:35 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN Hi Judy, We had 30mm of rain here but apparently other areas got almost double such as Blacktown. Why does that not surprise me.... It should be a great day for rain and embedded storms - perhaps some heavier falls with the storms. Extremely unstable air around. I tell you what, if the sun was to break through it would really take off. Tomorrow looks much better particularly if it goes according to plan and the rain band clears in a line NNE-SSW forward tilting. Storms developing behind in this situation will be severe and a nice line will develop. Jimmy Deguara At 09:07 AM 21/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Mona Vale, NSW 9am 21.04.01 > >Hi Everyone, > >Well we got lucky last night, thunder and lightning for what seemed like >most of the night and a grand total of 62.5 mm of rain by 9 am this morning. > >The sky is still promising much more to come. > >Judy Mayo. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:30:12 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: FLANG Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:27 21/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Dann and others, >There was one FLANG just before I finished work at >8pm which made me jump out of my seat hehehehe. > >> > During tonight's NRL match between Parra and Canterbury there was a >> > tremendous FLANG as lightning struck just outside Parramatta Stadium. >> What's a "Flang" for the in-initiated ??? John Gaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: FLANG Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 06:06:30 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id CAA00163 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Lightning + thunder in quick succession --- FLash+bANG (It's not a proper mailing list unless it has a secret language ;-)) Laurier On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:30:12 +1200, John Gaul wrote: >At 10:27 21/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi Dann and others, >>There was one FLANG just before I finished work at >>8pm which made me jump out of my seat hehehehe. >> > > >>> > During tonight's NRL match between Parra and Canterbury there was a >>> > tremendous FLANG as lightning struck just outside Parramatta Stadium. > >>> > > > >What's a "Flang" for the in-initiated ??? > > >John Gaul >NZ Thunderstorm Soc > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: cordelia.flexi.net.au: Host racport35.flexi.net.au [203.37.233.51] claimed to be adamcole From: "Adam Troy Cole" To: Subject: aus-wx: Lightnng in QLD Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:07:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Heyas Just to let you know a nice Wall Cloud and lowerings were observed from a developing thunderstorm which started West of Allora and is now W of Stanthorpe and moving South. The WC lasted for over 30mins well past dark out here. And then some nice CG's (although distant) were observed from this storm. Still some lightning about. :) Adam +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: mail.cth.com.au: Host port13.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.77] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:14:13 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: aus-wx: Elimbah storm photos up to date and a 'panorama' Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, Have updated the PAA Online site with the best of all the Elimbah (SE QLD) storm pics I have. Not all the greatest quality, but there are some great shelf clouds to be seen. They are quite common here. Hail and mini-tornados? Not so common and no complaints! I am going to re-do some earlier ones with a good paint package - a little 'dusty' from early digital camera and have larger images linked to the thumbnails. http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/photogallery10.htm Look also at a trial panorama - http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/panorama.htm By the way - the web space I have is free through the 'Aussie School House' foundation which supplies free web space for education projects/sites. I was given 10 mb but am now using about 30! They don't seem to mind and are happy to have me housed there. I may be moving/mirroring at Bureau of Meteorology this year...negotiations underway but slow...fingers crossed. Regards all, Sel BSCH ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for March, April, May 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Weather Today Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:43:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello all,
 
Just thought the rest of the world might like to know that we had some rather nice storms in Melbourne this afternoon.  After an excellent presentation at the Vic ASWA meeting by Harald Richter, everyone was hustled outside as the news of a CB to the NW quickly spread through the pancake parlour in Doncaster. 
 
The interstate visitors were a little amused at the Vic's excitement over a fiborous anvil and very cold temperatures at the surface.  The calls of "its just another coldie" were soon quickly disperesed when the first flash of lightning was seen and a small hailshaft came into view.  A quick wrap up of the meeting and I think just about everyone who attended went chasing in some form or another.  For myself, Anthony Cornelius, Matt Pearce, Bill Lording and Matt Smith this involved heading back to my place to recover from the previous nights celebrations (and hangovers for some).  Unfortunately we couldn't chase as there was a lunch gathering at my house for someone's bloody present opening (mine) which was terribly frustrating!!!!!!!!! A few very sore heads were soon quickly cleared by some nice mammatus and a few distant rumbles of thunder.  The interstaters were getting restless....."storms...what storms???...." but us Melbournites were soon to show them what we were really made of.  Within 20 minutes the cells to the NNE were into the red and heading straight for my house.  Lightning increased fairly significantly and a nice light green tinge hinted that some hail was possible.  For the next hour or so we watched the storm produce numerous CG's (and several times 4 or 5 at a time) and some deep rumbling thunder.  Unfortunately the worst/best of it passed just to the W of my place.  At one stage there were 3 video cameras and 1 SLR all pointed at the storm so I assumed from this that the interstaters were pleased with the show.  One particular person (from Brisbane) was extremely animated in pointing out a niceish CG which upon review of the video pulsed about 3 times and I quote (he just said this) "it is the best storm I've had in ages". 
 
The storms made it onto the news tonight with reports of a tree being blown out of the ground by lightning, an airconditioning unit was blown off the roof of a house by lightning, 7 people were hospitalised after lightning struck a soccer field during a game (details are sketchy but everyone was OK from what I can gather) and to top it off they showed some hail lying on the ground which looked to be about 1 - 1.5cm.  The lightning damage seems to have been most prevalent in the northern suburbs of Mill Park and Thomastown.  But according to one interstater it was "all over the place" so it must've been good.
 
Overall not a bad little show for the interstaters and the locals alike.  It was nice to have my second thunderday in less than a week!!!!!!!!
 
VIC RULES <g>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald, Matt Smith, Matt Pearce, Anthony Cornelius
 
P.S.  Merimbula has had 100mm so far since 9am and Mallacoota has had 86mm. 
From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Weather Today Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:39:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Macca and all,
 
Indeed I was surprised at the growth of this cell, it liked rather small at first, but the anvil was quite substantial, and we were plunged into "pre-storm darkness" for quite a while before the storm!  The CG's were impressive, and no lack of them either!  Including one that did a nice loop and attracted a nice profanity from myself (a sure sign of SDS).  No doubt though, this was a good temporary cure of an oncoming cold, with nausea, throbbing head ache, sore throat and tiredness all going away for at least an hour! 
The height of this cell was around 25,000 - it reminded me somewhat of July 10, a similar look to the storms, and frequent CG's from both.  Good low level shear in both of them - during the ASWA meeting I was constantly distracted by the low level Cu yesterday flying along outside the window at around 40kn...my thoughts along the lines of "I wonder if police radar can pick up the speed of clouds, and if so will some poor guy get wrongly booked?"  (Thinking back to a situation in NSW when a police radar picked up a jet speed and booked a car for it).  Weird thoughts I know!
 
Harald's talk was fantastic - I enjoyed it immensely!  I also enjoyed the (brief) opportunity to meet many of the Vic ASWA members.
 
While I am here, I may as well extend on aussie-weather's behalf, the chance to say "HAPPY 21ST BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" even if it was April 10 :)
 
Anthony Cornelius at Macca's computer
----- Original Message -----
From: McDonald
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:43 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Weather Today

Hello all,
 
Just thought the rest of the world might like to know that we had some rather nice storms in Melbourne this afternoon.  After an excellent presentation at the Vic ASWA meeting by Harald Richter, everyone was hustled outside as the news of a CB to the NW quickly spread through the pancake parlour in Doncaster. 
 
The interstate visitors were a little amused at the Vic's excitement over a fiborous anvil and very cold temperatures at the surface.  The calls of "its just another coldie" were soon quickly disperesed when the first flash of lightning was seen and a small hailshaft came into view.  A quick wrap up of the meeting and I think just about everyone who attended went chasing in some form or another.  For myself, Anthony Cornelius, Matt Pearce, Bill Lording and Matt Smith this involved heading back to my place to recover from the previous nights celebrations (and hangovers for some).  Unfortunately we couldn't chase as there was a lunch gathering at my house for someone's bloody present opening (mine) which was terribly frustrating!!!!!!!!! A few very sore heads were soon quickly cleared by some nice mammatus and a few distant rumbles of thunder.  The interstaters were getting restless....."storms...what storms???...." but us Melbournites were soon to show them what we were really made of.  Within 20 minutes the cells to the NNE were into the red and heading straight for my house.  Lightning increased fairly significantly and a nice light green tinge hinted that some hail was possible.  For the next hour or so we watched the storm produce numerous CG's (and several times 4 or 5 at a time) and some deep rumbling thunder.  Unfortunately the worst/best of it passed just to the W of my place.  At one stage there were 3 video cameras and 1 SLR all pointed at the storm so I assumed from this that the interstaters were pleased with the show.  One particular person (from Brisbane) was extremely animated in pointing out a niceish CG which upon review of the video pulsed about 3 times and I quote (he just said this) "it is the best storm I've had in ages". 
 
The storms made it onto the news tonight with reports of a tree being blown out of the ground by lightning, an airconditioning unit was blown off the roof of a house by lightning, 7 people were hospitalised after lightning struck a soccer field during a game (details are sketchy but everyone was OK from what I can gather) and to top it off they showed some hail lying on the ground which looked to be about 1 - 1.5cm.  The lightning damage seems to have been most prevalent in the northern suburbs of Mill Park and Thomastown.  But according to one interstater it was "all over the place" so it must've been good.
 
Overall not a bad little show for the interstaters and the locals alike.  It was nice to have my second thunderday in less than a week!!!!!!!!
 
VIC RULES <g>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald, Matt Smith, Matt Pearce, Anthony Cornelius
 
P.S.  Merimbula has had 100mm so far since 9am and Mallacoota has had 86mm. 
From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne Weather Today Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:28:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Made it back from a MTB ride in Churchill Nat Park just as the first flashes began... And a lot of strikes hit the ground here in Fairfield and surrounding areas, including one strike that can't have been that far off, light and noise at the same time, windows rattling, and the "damn that was close" comments all around. Pauly -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Nothing Communications & Design paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: aus-wx: Lightning / RAIN!!! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:59:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Anthony & others,
 
I sat in Fawkner (a northern suburb) just off the Western Ring Road to the west of you in the middle of that storm. I experienced something that I haven't before, which makes me wonder about the electrical charges accompanying it.  I've heard the CB radio start to crackle and then build to a high pitched whine prior to lightning discharges before in close & highly electrically active storms, but not until yesterday had I every heard the am radio do it. 
 
Before a cc, the am radio would start to crackle & whine quietly, build up, go 'pop' & there'd be dead silence.  Before a close cg the crackling & whining would build up far more & when the channel between ground & cloud was complete, there was an almighty shriek from the radio & then high pitched howling while I presume the charge in my area dissipated (a couple of cg's were within 200 metres).  Never had that before!! 
 
I also got (on video) a 'step leader' like the one that Andrew caught on a chase in January ( http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Campics%20-%20Jan/250101am10.jpg ) which looked like it was extending out from the car, but unfortunately the car was not in the shot so I can't tell but there didn't seem to be anything that could have created a reflection around......
 
Rain totals in Victoria so far in the past 24 hours are:
102.2mm Mallacoota
106.6mm Mt Baw Baw
55.2mm Moorabbin
77mm Aireys Inlet
 
...and these figures are interesting:
44.4mm Mt Dandenong
2.8mm Scoresby
Precip & middle level cloud is moving from the ENE (with a local surface & lower level flow from the S) which makes Scoresby effectively rain-shadowed by Mt Dandenong for this event even though the recording stations are  only a stones throw apart (<9km from Mt D lookout)
 
Some flood photos later today wouldn't be a surprise!!
 
--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Anthony wrote while shivering in Melbourne:

 
Hi Macca and all,
 
Indeed I was surprised at the growth of this cell, it liked rather small at first, but the anvil was quite substantial, and we were plunged into "pre-storm darkness" for quite a while before the storm!  The CG's were impressive, and no lack of them either!  Including one that did a nice loop and attracted a nice profanity from myself (a sure sign of SDS). 
From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Still pouring. Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:39:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2001 23:39:08.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[424AE1C0:01C0CABC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. I tipped 53.5mm out of my gauge this morning and its still belting (pelting) down and very gloomy, looks as if this system will hang about for a couple of days,also lets congratulate the BOM for their accurate prediction of a major rain event across south-eastern Australia this weekend,regards Clyve Herbert Leopold Vic. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.134.35.199] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sunday in Sydney Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:42:33 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2001 23:42:33.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCEC9EA0:01C0CABC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Glenorie, 940am Hi there, After more overnight/early morning tstorms with some mod/heavy falls, (17mm here since midnight) the morning has turned on bright sunshine with the clearing rain band out to sea and more rain/storms visible to the north west up in the hunter moving s/se and should be here within 2 hours, certainly great to see the sun out, so today should be a much more interesting day than yesterdays dreary dull grey effort here, where i got 0.5 mm after 9am. Heres hoping... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Geelong Weather Services" To: Subject: aus-wx: 24 hour rainfalls in Geelong region Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:00:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 24-hour totals recorded to 9 am across the region: Geelong CBD 39 mm, Grovedale 42.8, Mt Duneed (BoM) 47.2, Hamlyn Heights 55, Leopold South 53.1, Inverleigh 34, Paraparap 76, Aireys Inlet (BoM) 87.8, Apollo Bay 37, Anglesea 62, Meredith 63, Cape Otway (BoM) 16, and good old Weeaproinah 126. Lindsay Smail. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:05:31 -0700 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Massive storm- Bathurst Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 10am. 22/4 Currently great storm in Bathurst, constant thunder each 2 sec. Rain 32 mm/hr. Woke me up with the greatest clap ive ever heard. Lightning strike would have to be about 500 metres away.. Shook the house. Lightning is setting fire alarms all over Bathurst and Kelso. Units responding to Uncle Bens dog food factory and many other buildings. Dave Bathurst +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:37:00 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: aus-wx: Adelaide general area. SA Storms page UPDATE Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Moderate to light rains fell overnight here in Adelaide with some light to moderate wind gusts. Pretty cold as well, but I guess Winter is on it's way, but not quite fully. I have 4.5mm in the gauge now but other places have had over 14mm which is good to see. It's also good to see a bit of life coming back into the lawn too, might have to get out the mower soon. Congrats to the Vics too on their good rain falls and lightning display yesterday, wish I was there to see it. By the way, I have updated the SA storms site once again, and included some Satellite images, the next big task on this page will be to update the links page which currently has quite a few broken links on it. If anyone out there wants their Homepage linked please email me personally at astroman at chariot.net.au and I will add your link. Also if you have any other URL's that would be of interest please send them also. Satellite images and other useful links would be appreciated. Thats all from me for now, look forward to seeing the links....... 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Heya Rune and all,
 
Well we have had an hour sunshine here too in the blue mountains. However it has disappeared and darkened over considerably. We have an impressive 85mm of rain in the last two days. We had 41mm to 9am Saturday and 44mm til 9am today. I think the rain tened to stick to the mountain regions yesterday afternoon. We however copped most of our rain early this morning is a tumultous little session of wind, rain and thunder.
 
Two things:
 
1--I was looking at the BOM radar coverage and it occured to me that in terms of population and space there are 2 massive blackspots. I was looking south of Sydney on the coast  south of Kiama and the radar really doesn't cover that area very well at all. Merimbula on the far south coast recorded 100mm of rain til 9am today yet there wasn't a speck on any of the radars. Also the area NW of Sydney in the triangle of Dubbo-Orange-Parkes it poorly covered especially when much of Sydney's severe weather comes from that area. It only picks up intense areas of rain which are usually blue or yellow dots, and then rain seems to form always aroud the Mudgee area when its actually only being picked up there.
 
2--I know there is probably a very simple answer to this, and i sort of know it already, but i am looking for a long winded indepth answer -- too bad Anthony is away :). 
Just kidding  ; ] ----I was wondering what the correlation was between fog and approaching rain in events such as this. We had an unique situation yesterday where at 3pm it went dark because it fogged over so heavily to about 15m visability. It was a truly eeire feeling. About 15 minutes after that, it bucketed down and the fog subsequently cleared only to return later in the evening. This isn't the ony occasion i have witness fog before rain. As i said i think i know generally whats going on, but a comprehensive explation would be appreciated.
 
dann
 
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From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: 24 hour rainfalls in Geelong region To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:11:57 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > 24-hour totals recorded to 9 am across the region: Geelong CBD 39 mm, > Grovedale 42.8, Mt Duneed (BoM) 47.2, Hamlyn Heights 55, Leopold South 53.1, > Inverleigh 34, Paraparap 76, Aireys Inlet (BoM) 87.8, Apollo Bay 37, > Anglesea 62, Meredith 63, Cape Otway (BoM) 16, and good old Weeaproinah 126. > Lindsay Smail. > Weeaproinah is not ideally situated for extreme rainfalls in an E/SE type situation; I will not be surprised if Tanybryn has gone beyond 200, possibly well beyond. Unfortunately it only reports monthly so we'll have to wait until early May to find out. The Melbourne catchments have done well out of this too; 107mm at Mt. Baw Baw (and 131 at Erica, which is vaguely indicative of catchment conditions even though I don't think it's actually in the catchment). There were three-figure falls scattered through Gippsland, with 157mm at Genoa, as well as on the far south coast of NSW (Eden 118). The north-south contrast through the Melbourne metro area is interesting ; most of the northern suburbs are in the teens (which means they got little or nothing from this morning's rain - what they got fell in yesterday's thunderstorms), whilst southern suburbs are near or above 50. I live in Heidelberg, which was on the northern boundary of the (near-stationary) rain area, and had the odd experience of spending most of a 100-minute run in sunshine and rain simultaneously (normally such conditions only last for a few minutes at most, in short-lived showers). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: aus-wx: HUGE rainfall totals in Vic!!! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:06:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
HI all,
 
A pretty serious noteworthy warning - check out some of those rainfall totals!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Regards
Macca
 
IDW40V21

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

Flood Warning
for streams in the Otway Ranges
Issued at 10:27am on Sunday the 22nd of April 2001

Rainfalls over the last 24 hours in the headwaters of the Otway Ranges and
Barwon catchment have been between 150mm to 280mm. For example:
Mt Sabine 284mm, Mt Cowley 251mm, Benwerrin 176mm, Boona 163mm

Flooding can be expected in many streams draining the Otways during Sunday. The
magnitude of this flooding is not known.

Weather outlook:  Further rain is likely over the next 24 hours with local falls
in excess of 50mm possible.

 

River heights on Sunday were: There are not stream heights that can be provided.


The next warning will be issued around 4pm Sunday 22 April 2001
From: "Geelong Weather Services" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: 24 hour rainfalls in Geelong region Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:44:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com BoM 24-hour figures for Mt Sabine 284 mm, Mt Cowley 251 mm and West Barwon 140 mm, all in Geelong Water Catchment should make the Water Board happy. Bureau flood warning issued at 10.14 am. Lindsay Smail. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Blair Trewin Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2001 11:12 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: 24 hour rainfalls in Geelong region > > 24-hour totals recorded to 9 am across the region: Geelong CBD 39 mm, > Grovedale 42.8, Mt Duneed (BoM) 47.2, Hamlyn Heights 55, Leopold South 53.1, > Inverleigh 34, Paraparap 76, Aireys Inlet (BoM) 87.8, Apollo Bay 37, > Anglesea 62, Meredith 63, Cape Otway (BoM) 16, and good old Weeaproinah 126. > Lindsay Smail. > Weeaproinah is not ideally situated for extreme rainfalls in an E/SE type situation; I will not be surprised if Tanybryn has gone beyond 200, possibly well beyond. Unfortunately it only reports monthly so we'll have to wait until early May to find out. The Melbourne catchments have done well out of this too; 107mm at Mt. Baw Baw (and 131 at Erica, which is vaguely indicative of catchment conditions even though I don't think it's actually in the catchment). There were three-figure falls scattered through Gippsland, with 157mm at Genoa, as well as on the far south coast of NSW (Eden 118). The north-south contrast through the Melbourne metro area is interesting ; most of the northern suburbs are in the teens (which means they got little or nothing from this morning's rain - what they got fell in yesterday's thunderstorms), whilst southern suburbs are near or above 50. I live in Heidelberg, which was on the northern boundary of the (near-stationary) rain area, and had the odd experience of spending most of a 100-minute run in sunshine and rain simultaneously (normally such conditions only last for a few minutes at most, in short-lived showers). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: 24 hour rainfalls in Geelong region To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:21:37 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > 24-hour totals recorded to 9 am across the region: Geelong CBD 39 mm, > Grovedale 42.8, Mt Duneed (BoM) 47.2, Hamlyn Heights 55, Leopold South 53.1, > Inverleigh 34, Paraparap 76, Aireys Inlet (BoM) 87.8, Apollo Bay 37, > Anglesea 62, Meredith 63, Cape Otway (BoM) 16, and good old Weeaproinah 126. > Lindsay Smail. Update to my previous mail - 284mm reported at Mt. Sabine. If confirmed, this would be (from memory) the fourth-highest 24-hour total on record in Victoria. There has also been a report of 180mm at Cowwarr Weir, in Gippsland. Flood warnings are in effect for the Barwon and Thomson Rivers (haven't seen those for a while!), and for streams draining the Otways. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:12:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all,
 
Just had a phone call from an EXTREMELY excited Robert Goler.  Robert headed up to Wagga last night and got a nice lightning show and this morning was sitting just W of Junee watching some large congesting cumulus and hello boys a funnel pops out of the base.  The cell was precipitating to the S and the funnel appeared from RFB to the N of the precip.  It extended half way to the ground before being enveloped in rain.  Soon after, a second, smaller funnel appeared from the RFB and extended 1/3 of the way to the ground.  Last I heard, Robert was driving (fast) to get himself closer to this cell.  Radar at the time shows a nice little patch of pink on Wagga Local which appeared out of nothing so it's probably a fairly strong cell. 
 
We called the Sydney BoM from here to report it to them (be interesting to see what happens with this).
 
I'll keep the updates coming in as they come in here.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald, Matt Pearce, Matt Smith, Anthony Cornelius.
From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Weather Today To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:18:33 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I was a bit annoyed, going from the ASWA meeting to Bendigo, that I hadn't taken anyone's phone number with me as some nice cells popped up in the Malmsbury-Kyneton area, but it sounds like you got better in Melbourne. Blair > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0CAFF.6CD455A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi Macca and all, > > Indeed I was surprised at the growth of this cell, it liked rather small = > at first, but the anvil was quite substantial, and we were plunged into = > "pre-storm darkness" for quite a while before the storm! The CG's were = > impressive, and no lack of them either! Including one that did a nice = > loop and attracted a nice profanity from myself (a sure sign of SDS). = > No doubt though, this was a good temporary cure of an oncoming cold, = > with nausea, throbbing head ache, sore throat and tiredness all going = > away for at least an hour! =20 > > The height of this cell was around 25,000 - it reminded me somewhat of = > July 10, a similar look to the storms, and frequent CG's from both. = > Good low level shear in both of them - during the ASWA meeting I was = > constantly distracted by the low level Cu yesterday flying along outside = > the window at around 40kn...my thoughts along the lines of "I wonder if = > police radar can pick up the speed of clouds, and if so will some poor = > guy get wrongly booked?" (Thinking back to a situation in NSW when a = > police radar picked up a jet speed and booked a car for it). Weird = > thoughts I know! > > Harald's talk was fantastic - I enjoyed it immensely! I also enjoyed = > the (brief) opportunity to meet many of the Vic ASWA members. > > While I am here, I may as well extend on aussie-weather's behalf, the = > chance to say "HAPPY 21ST BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" even if it was = > April 10 :) > > Anthony Cornelius at Macca's computer > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: McDonald=20 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:43 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Weather Today > > > Hello all, > > Just thought the rest of the world might like to know that we had some = > rather nice storms in Melbourne this afternoon. After an excellent = > presentation at the Vic ASWA meeting by Harald Richter, everyone was = > hustled outside as the news of a CB to the NW quickly spread through the = > pancake parlour in Doncaster. =20 > > The interstate visitors were a little amused at the Vic's excitement = > over a fiborous anvil and very cold temperatures at the surface. The = > calls of "its just another coldie" were soon quickly disperesed when the = > first flash of lightning was seen and a small hailshaft came into view. = > A quick wrap up of the meeting and I think just about everyone who = > attended went chasing in some form or another. For myself, Anthony = > Cornelius, Matt Pearce, Bill Lording and Matt Smith this involved = > heading back to my place to recover from the previous nights = > celebrations (and hangovers for some). Unfortunately we couldn't chase = > as there was a lunch gathering at my house for someone's bloody present = > opening (mine) which was terribly frustrating!!!!!!!!! A few very sore = > heads were soon quickly cleared by some nice mammatus and a few distant = > rumbles of thunder. The interstaters were getting = > restless....."storms...what storms???...." but us Melbournites were soon = > to show them what we were really made of. Within 20 minutes the cells = > to the NNE were into the red and heading straight for my house. = > Lightning increased fairly significantly and a nice light green tinge = > hinted that some hail was possible. For the next hour or so we watched = > the storm produce numerous CG's (and several times 4 or 5 at a time) and = > some deep rumbling thunder. Unfortunately the worst/best of it passed = > just to the W of my place. At one stage there were 3 video cameras and = > 1 SLR all pointed at the storm so I assumed from this that the = > interstaters were pleased with the show. One particular person (from = > Brisbane) was extremely animated in pointing out a niceish CG which upon = > review of the video pulsed about 3 times and I quote (he just said this) = > "it is the best storm I've had in ages". =20 > > The storms made it onto the news tonight with reports of a tree being = > blown out of the ground by lightning, an airconditioning unit was blown = > off the roof of a house by lightning, 7 people were hospitalised after = > lightning struck a soccer field during a game (details are sketchy but = > everyone was OK from what I can gather) and to top it off they showed = > some hail lying on the ground which looked to be about 1 - 1.5cm. The = > lightning damage seems to have been most prevalent in the northern = > suburbs of Mill Park and Thomastown. But according to one interstater = > it was "all over the place" so it must've been good. > > Overall not a bad little show for the interstaters and the locals = > alike. It was nice to have my second thunderday in less than a = > week!!!!!!!! > > VIC RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald, Matt Smith, Matt Pearce, Anthony Cornelius > > P.S. Merimbula has had 100mm so far since 9am and Mallacoota has had = > 86mm. =20 > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0CAFF.6CD455A0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
Hi Macca and all,
>
 
>
Indeed I was surprised at the growth of = > this cell,=20 > it liked rather small at first, but the anvil was quite substantial, and = > we were=20 > plunged into "pre-storm darkness" for quite a while before the = > storm!  The=20 > CG's were impressive, and no lack of them either!  Including one = > that did a=20 > nice loop and attracted a nice profanity from myself (a sure sign of = > SDS). =20 > No doubt though, this was a good temporary cure of an oncoming cold, = > with=20 > nausea, throbbing head ache, sore throat and tiredness all going away = > for at=20 > least an hour! 
>
The height of this cell was around = > 25,000 - it=20 > reminded me somewhat of July 10, a similar look to the storms, and = > frequent CG's=20 > from both.  Good low level shear in both of them - during the ASWA = > meeting=20 > I was constantly distracted by the low level Cu yesterday flying along = > outside=20 > the window at around 40kn...my thoughts along the lines of "I wonder if = > police=20 > radar can pick up the speed of clouds, and if so will some poor guy get = > wrongly=20 > booked?"  (Thinking back to a situation in NSW when a police radar = > picked=20 > up a jet speed and booked a car for it).  Weird thoughts I=20 > know!
>
 
>
Harald's talk was fantastic - I enjoyed = > it=20 > immensely!  I also enjoyed the (brief) opportunity to meet many of = > the Vic=20 > ASWA members.
>
 
>
While I am here, I may as well extend = > on=20 > aussie-weather's behalf, the chance to say "HAPPY 21ST=20 > BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" even if it was April 10 :)
>
 
>
Anthony Cornelius at Macca's = > computer
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>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 = > 10:43=20 > PM
>
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne = > Weather=20 > Today
>

>
Hello all,
>
 
>
Just thought the rest of the world = > might like to=20 > know that we had some rather nice storms in Melbourne this = > afternoon. =20 > After an excellent presentation at the Vic ASWA meeting by Harald = > Richter,=20 > everyone was hustled outside as the news of a CB to the NW quickly = > spread=20 > through the pancake parlour in Doncaster. 
>
 
>
The interstate visitors were a little = > amused at=20 > the Vic's excitement over a fiborous anvil and very cold temperatures = > at the=20 > surface.  The calls of "its just another coldie" were soon = > quickly=20 > disperesed when the first flash of lightning was seen and a small = > hailshaft=20 > came into view.  A quick wrap up of the meeting and I think just = > about=20 > everyone who attended went chasing in some form or another.  For = > myself,=20 > Anthony Cornelius, Matt Pearce, Bill Lording and Matt Smith this = > involved=20 > heading back to my place to recover from the previous nights = > celebrations (and=20 > hangovers for some).  Unfortunately we couldn't chase as there = > was a=20 > lunch gathering at my house for someone's bloody present opening = > (mine) which=20 > was terribly frustrating!!!!!!!!! A few very sore heads were soon = > quickly=20 > cleared by some nice mammatus and a few distant rumbles of = > thunder.  The=20 > interstaters were getting restless....."storms...what storms???...." = > but us=20 > Melbournites were soon to show them what we were really made of.  = > Within=20 > 20 minutes the cells to the NNE were into the red and heading straight = > for my=20 > house.  Lightning increased fairly significantly and a nice light = > green=20 > tinge hinted that some hail was possible.  For the next hour or = > so we=20 > watched the storm produce numerous CG's (and several times 4 or 5 at a = > time)=20 > and some deep rumbling thunder.  Unfortunately the worst/best of = > it=20 > passed just to the W of my place.  At one stage there were 3 = > video=20 > cameras and 1 SLR all pointed at the storm so I assumed from this that = > the=20 > interstaters were pleased with the show.  One particular person = > (from=20 > Brisbane) was extremely animated in pointing out a niceish CG which = > upon=20 > review of the video pulsed about 3 times and I quote (he just said = > this) "it=20 > is the best storm I've had in ages". 
>
 
>
The storms made it onto the news = > tonight with=20 > reports of a tree being blown out of the ground by lightning, an=20 > airconditioning unit was blown off the roof of a house by lightning, 7 = > people=20 > were hospitalised after lightning struck a soccer field during a game = > (details=20 > are sketchy but everyone was OK from what I can gather) and to top it = > off they=20 > showed some hail lying on the ground which looked to be about 1 - = > 1.5cm. =20 > The lightning damage seems to have been most prevalent in the northern = > suburbs=20 > of Mill Park and Thomastown.  But according to one interstater it = > was=20 > "all over the place" so it must've been good.
>
 
>
Overall not a bad little show for the = > > interstaters and the locals alike.  It was nice to have my second = > > thunderday in less than a week!!!!!!!!
>
 
>
VIC RULES = > <g>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
 
>
Regards,
>
 
>
Andrew McDonald, Matt Smith, Matt = > Pearce, Anthony=20 > Cornelius
>
 
>
P.S.  Merimbula has had 100mm so = > far since=20 > 9am and Mallacoota has had 86mm.  = >
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0CAFF.6CD455A0-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [139.134.27.67] From: "Luke Garde" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: 24 hour rainfalls in Geelong region Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:43:51 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2001 02:43:51.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[10949940:01C0CAD6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi Lindsay and all

Clifton Springs has received a nice total of 55mm over night and since 9am this morning we have had 36mm and the rain is still falling quite hard. Is this event stronger than the event geelong and others received last month? We really need the rain. How is Melb going with their totals, or is this a repeat.

 

Luke Garde ASWA - VIC

Clifton Springs



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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:57:53 -0700 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 12.55pm 22/4 Suprise Suprise, another storm hitting Bathurst now. Constant rain and plenty of lightning. Dave Bathurst +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Adam Mayo" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:12:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Philisity, We got our rain gauge from the Hardwarehouse at Belrose. Why don't you try at the one in Blacktown. Let me know if you have any luck. Judy Mayo. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Dryden To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN > Hi all > > I live in Blacktown and we had an amazing display of lightning last night, > with one so close it made me drop to the floor in the kitchen!!! I didn't > feel so silly when I noticed hubby also cowering in lounge! It must of hit > in the golf course behind our house??? We watched it through a window with > the lights off for ages, is this safe? safer than outside I guess? > > Can anyone tell me where I can buy a rain guage, our backyard was flooded > last night I would of liked to know exactly how much did fall here. > > Thanks > Philisity Dryden > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2001 9:35 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY RAIN > > > Hi Judy, > > We had 30mm of rain here but apparently other areas got almost double such > as Blacktown. Why does that not surprise me.... > > It should be a great day for rain and embedded storms - perhaps some > heavier falls with the storms. Extremely unstable air around. I tell you > what, if the sun was to break through it would really take off. > > Tomorrow looks much better particularly if it goes according to plan and > the rain band clears in a line NNE-SSW forward tilting. Storms developing > behind in this situation will be severe and a nice line will develop. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 09:07 AM 21/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Mona Vale, NSW 9am 21.04.01 > > > >Hi Everyone, > > > >Well we got lucky last night, thunder and lightning for what seemed like > >most of the night and a grand total of 62.5 mm of rain by 9 am this > morning. > > > >The sky is still promising much more to come. > > > >Judy Mayo. > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: aus-wx: Victorian fire weather forecast :-) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:13:13 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Avid readers of forecasts may have noticed that today's fire weather forecast for Victoria has a forest rating of 4 and grassland 7 for Aireys Inlet. (These are both pretty low, but non-zero). Given that Aireys Inlet is in the heart of the Otways heavy rainfall zone from the last 12 hours, I suspect that it would be quite an achievement to get anything to burn today! (at least without the assistance of a tankerload of petrol....) The flood warning for the Upper Barwon has now been upgraded to major. No update on the eastern Otways streams as yet. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: That raingauge 100km east of Sydney Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:35:27 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id AAA20250 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Many times in the past, when there's been frantic storm activity off the NSW coast, I've wished there was a raingauge or two out there in the Tasman. Now there is, sort of. The NRL rainfall estimates from satpix experiment is producing some interesting output at present. The six-hourly accumulation to 10am EST this morning indicates around 140mm fell in the 6 hours about 100km east of Sydney (see http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/pacific/western/australia/accumulations/6-hour/20010422.0000.ir.rainsum.australia.6.jpg), while the 24 hour accumulation to 10am EST yesterday (Saturday) shows several large areas of ~200mm east of Newcastle and farther out in the Tasman (see http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/pacific/western/australia/accumulations/daily/20010421.0000.daytotals.24.jpg). It'll be interesting to see how the 24 hour accumulations for today match up with the actual rainfall. The URL for the Australian section of the site is http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/rain.cgi?GEO=aus, while an easier link to the individual archives is at http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/pacific/western/australia/accumulations/ -- Laurier Williams Australian Weather News & Links http://www.australianweathernews.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Weather Today Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:46:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, With the intense electrical activity in those stoms yesterday, I rang the BoM & checked to see what the cloud tops were. It seems that the main tops were around 9 to 10km (29,000 - 33,000 feet) with some tops to 12km (39,000') - not bad for Melbourne in April when the freezing level was 8,000 feet!!!! Puts the bulk of the Cbs into the freezing level & could account for some of the stunning mammatus that was hanging from the anvil. Does this also help to explain the intense electrical activity?? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Rainfall and radar placement and fog Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:02:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Merimbula is a known blackspot, it is out of range of the Vic East Sale, and the Sydney radars. I would not get too excited by the lack of radar reflect south of Sydney. There has been about 15mm here in the southern Illawarra over the two days. The clouds looked impressive but were not. The storms are imbedded in general rain mass and as such never get too severe.
 
Having said that, last night about 2am - 4am an impressive lightning display worked its way down the coast, but always offshore by about 30-50kms, this storm cluster originated off Nelson Bay several hours earlier. Merimbula's impressive rainfall was helped by the fact that the circulation meant that the storms would have came ashore again in the area - or perhaps the rain mass generated by the storms.
 
Michael
 
 
1--I was looking at the BOM radar coverage and it occured to me that in terms of population and space there are 2 massive blackspots. I was looking south of Sydney on the coast  south of Kiama and the radar really doesn't cover that area very well at all. Merimbula on the far south coast recorded 100mm of rain til 9am today yet there wasn't a speck on any of the radars. Also the area NW of Sydney in the triangle of Dubbo-Orange-Parkes it poorly covered especially when much of Sydney's severe weather comes from that area. It only picks up intense areas of rain which are usually blue or yellow dots, and then rain seems to form always aroud the Mudgee area when its actually only being picked up there.
 
X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:59:12 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bathurst Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 12:57 22/04/01 -0700, you wrote: >12.55pm 22/4 > >Suprise Suprise, another storm hitting Bathurst now. Constant rain and >plenty of lightning. > >Dave >Bathurst How lucky you are. JohnGaul NZ Starved of a Good Storm Society +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:51:22 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: FLANG Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Lightning + thunder in quick succession --- >FLash+bANG >(It's not a proper mailing list unless it has a secret language ;-)) > >Laurier Thanks Laurier. It's just that members of the New Zealand Thunderstorm Society should know! John Gaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc >On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:30:12 +1200, John Gaul > wrote: >> >>What's a "Flang" for the in-initiated ??? >> >>John Gaul >>NZ Thunderstorm Soc +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: aus-wx: Low temps in Tas and NT To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:17:32 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com In amongst all the rain, it's been clear enough for impressively low temperatures in the following places: - -7.7 at Liawenee on Saturday. This is (at least for the period of digital record) a Tasmanian record for April. The new Liawenee site seems significantly colder for minima than the old one and could be well worth watching. - 2.1 at Alice Springs today, 0.4 above its April record (and 1.1 above the NT April record). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:01:02 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: HUGE rainfall totals in Vic!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Where exactly is Mt Sabine - cant see of any of my maps? Don W > McDonald wrote: > > HI all, > > > > A pretty serious noteworthy warning - check out some of those rainfall totals!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Regards > > Macca > > > > IDW40V21 > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > > Flood Warning > for streams in the Otway Ranges > Issued at 10:27am on Sunday the 22nd of April 2001 > > Rainfalls over the last 24 hours in the headwaters of the Otway Ranges and > Barwon catchment have been between 150mm to 280mm. For example: > Mt Sabine 284mm, Mt Cowley 251mm, Benwerrin 176mm, Boona 163mm > > Flooding can be expected in many streams draining the Otways during Sunday. The > magnitude of this flooding is not known. > > Weather outlook: Further rain is likely over the next 24 hours with local falls > in excess of 50mm possible. > > > > River heights on Sunday were: There are not stream heights that can be provided. > > The next warning will be issued around 4pm Sunday 22 April 2001 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Storm Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:32:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Few close rumblings this morning with some quick and heavy rain. Only 4mm so far but still raining and still the odd rumble. Appears to be moving South West. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: 24 hour rainfalls in Geelong region To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:37:29 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Update to my previous mail - 284mm reported at Mt. Sabine. If confirmed, > this would be (from memory) the fourth-highest 24-hour total on record > in Victoria. > Today's most impressive number - 84mm since 0900 at Cerberus. Cerberus itself has only about 10 years of record, but the nearest long-term station, Cape Schanck, has an all-time record daily rainfall of 95.5 mm in 108 years of record, and there's no reason to believe that Cerberus would be systematically wetter (in fact, one might expect it to be drier). If Cerberus does crack the ton it is probably close to a 100-year event at that location. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: cordelia.flexi.net.au: Host racport24.flexi.net.au [203.37.233.40] claimed to be adamcole From: "Adam Troy Cole" To: Subject: aus-wx: Storm & Rain Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:16:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Warwick recieved 14mm last night from Rain event moving in a Southward direction and currently TS out near inglewood showing good lightning on radar. Red for Ten Mins at texas on Bris Broad. Warwick recieved a TS with about 6 CG's seen and nice throaty rumbles of thunder and 10mm of rain in half an hour. Radra showed yellow and green with the movement more SE this time. 24mm so far and hoping for more :) Adam +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Geelong Weather Services" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: HUGE rainfall totals in Vic!!! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:22:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don - Mt Sabine is approx 20 km NNE of Apollo Bay, just 1-2 km south of Beech Forest, about 10 km in from Bass Strait. Regards, Lindsay Smail. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Don White Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2001 4:01 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: HUGE rainfall totals in Vic!!! Where exactly is Mt Sabine - cant see of any of my maps? Don W > McDonald wrote: > > HI all, > > > > A pretty serious noteworthy warning - check out some of those rainfall totals!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Regards > > Macca > > > > IDW40V21 > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > > Flood Warning > for streams in the Otway Ranges > Issued at 10:27am on Sunday the 22nd of April 2001 > > Rainfalls over the last 24 hours in the headwaters of the Otway Ranges and > Barwon catchment have been between 150mm to 280mm. For example: > Mt Sabine 284mm, Mt Cowley 251mm, Benwerrin 176mm, Boona 163mm > > Flooding can be expected in many streams draining the Otways during Sunday. The > magnitude of this flooding is not known. > > Weather outlook: Further rain is likely over the next 24 hours with local falls > in excess of 50mm possible. > > > > River heights on Sunday were: There are not stream heights that can be provided. > > The next warning will be issued around 4pm Sunday 22 April 2001 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:34:09 +0800 From: Mark Dwyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Subject: aus-wx: WA chase Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Us WA chasers are out now on the road any updates can be sent to 040 799 1213, can some one please save Radar and Sat images GMSC for me please Cheer's -- Mark Dwyer e-mail : mjd at iinet.net.au ICQ# 40431595 DownUnder Severe Weather http://dsw.au.com ASWA - WA Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: HUGE rainfall totals in Vic!!! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:31:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Have been watching the Superbikes, and boy, has Phillip Island really got it. They rarely cancel a race!!!!! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "TWC Weather" , "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: ?another Victorian low? Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:50:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Appears that a small circulation may be developing towards the eastern side of Port Phillip Bay jusgin by the winds around Central Victoria atm. More cloud coming up from the SE after travelling across a fair fetch of the Tasman Sea. This the last thing we need just at the moment especially in the west central district & the Otways considering they've already had rainfall totals between 100 & 300mm over the last 2 days! -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:04:48 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: STA for NSW, this and that Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com STA for northern NSW, large hail was reported. Had a great trip to Melbourne, nice to get a storm down there after the ASWA meeting too, and I would like to thank Clyve and Harold for their fantastic talks. I found them both very interesting even if I was not feeling the best after a big night :) , hopefully we can catch up more at the AGM in August. Macca and Anthony were out earlier looking at floods in VIC... sounds like they and Robert Goler and Jimmy (who was chasing I believe) may have a few story's to tell when they get back! Matthew Smith http://www.sydneystormchaser.com SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1749 on Sunday the 22nd of April 2001 This advice affects people in the following weather districts: Northern Tablelands Thunderstorms are occurring within the advice area and are expected to continue into this evening. Some of these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall. Hailstones large enough to damage cars have been reported earlier this afternoon. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: aus-wx: Victorian weather Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:46:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, So far from a rather soggy Victoria we have a single Road Closure Alert issued by Vic Roads at http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/iconlinks/rtti.htm "Princess Fwy has been closed to all Melbourne bound traffic at Lara. Detour is Via Old Melbourne rd into Little River and back onto Fwy. Delays expected, please drive carefully. Updated at... 22/04/2001 06:08 PM" Aquaplaning on roads is commonplace & there is quite a lot of water flowing across suburban roads & accumulating in dips. Rain rates are being dramatically underestimated by radar with small droplets, but lots of them! Some rainfalls since 9am (to 7pm): 47.2mm Aireys Inlet 39.6mm Avalon 86.2mm Cerberus 52.2mm Grovedale 54.6mm Rhyll 30.0mm Dunns Hill (Mt D) 18.4mm Bayswater ....finally some of the eastern parts of Melbourne are starting to get significant falls as the wind veers towards the WSW. There's currently a very lightning active storm in the north east around Albury....... as Macca said.......VIC RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: That raingauge 100km east of Sydney Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:34:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Laurier Funny you should mention that, as I have often wondered about exactly the same scenario due east of Brisbane across Moreton Bay. For example, the so-named Sub-Tropical Storm Donald event - where the rainbands seemed to be continuously locked in position just east of the SEQ coast and then wrapping into N NSW. There must have been well inexcess of 200 and possibly 300 mm not too far off the coast line, but where I am in Bayside Brisbane, next to nothing :( The most perfect place in the world (and I think that topic was exhausted along while ago) is probably an imaginary island about 100 km off the SE Qld coast. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurier Williams" To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: aus-wx: That raingauge 100km east of Sydney > Many times in the past, when there's been frantic storm activity off > the NSW coast, I've wished there was a raingauge or two out there in > the Tasman. Now there is, sort of. > > The NRL rainfall estimates from satpix experiment is producing some > interesting output at present. The six-hourly accumulation to 10am EST > this morning indicates around 140mm fell in the 6 hours about 100km > east of Sydney (see > http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/pacific/western/australia/accumulations /6-hour/20010422.0000.ir.rainsum.australia.6.jpg), > while the 24 hour accumulation to 10am EST yesterday (Saturday) shows > several large areas of ~200mm east of Newcastle and farther out in the > Tasman (see > http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/pacific/western/australia/accumulations /daily/20010421.0000.daytotals.24.jpg). > It'll be interesting to see how the 24 hour accumulations for today > match up with the actual rainfall. > > The URL for the Australian section of the site is > http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/rain.cgi?GEO=aus, while an easier > link to the individual archives is at > http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/pacific/western/australia/accumulations / > > > -- > Laurier Williams > Australian Weather News & Links > http://www.australianweathernews.com > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:26:26 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aus-wx: canberra gets hail Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all, just had a report from my brother greg in chisholm, canberra somehwere. they got pea size hail, very heavy rain thunder and lightning. no wind though radar underestimates it by far. only light blue this storm moved through the clear passage between yass and canberra 6:00pm bye Steve Baynham http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.au.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Still pouring. Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:09:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good to see you getting some long awaited heavy rain. The vent has been a let down for my area as the winds steadfastly refused to feed in from the ocean. This afternoon was a lovely sunset as a deck of middle layer junk was brilliantly lit up. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2001 9:39 Subject: aus-wx: Still pouring. > Hi all. > I tipped 53.5mm out of my gauge this morning and its still belting (pelting) > down and very gloomy, looks as if this system will hang about for a couple > of days,also lets congratulate the BOM for their accurate prediction of a > major rain event across south-eastern Australia this weekend,regards Clyve > Herbert Leopold Vic. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian weather Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:26:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane, No doubt water certainly seems to collect on the roads here more than other places. While I guess that the government sees that they don't always need the drainage, even light rain had water collecting on the roads, making conditions slippery and also very difficult to see if there was a car in front of you with its spray! Certainly I was surprised at how much water collected there, and am not surprised that people aqua-plane and have accidents - in fact, we saw two cars in Geelong spin out at round-abouts, one hit the kurb! Macca, Claire and I had a look at the floods yesterday around Bachus Marsh-Geelong-Lorne-Angelsea, most impressive! Torrents of water in some areas, and you could see where the original flood heights were, and they would have been an impressive sight in full flood (probably yesterday morning/midday). There was also quite a few large branches down, including one tree near Lorne over the road that had been recently cut up to clear the road! There were lots of small branches and twigs down everywhere, and a lot of it had been washed up beside the road. There were several rockfalls along the Great Ocean Rd - (if you hit them you'd be up for a new tyre); Macca and Claire both said they had never seen the creeks running like they were before in their physical lives! (Only in photos). It's certainly been a fantastic few days weather wise (now, don't get a swell head Vic's...and QLD'ers, no they haven't brainwashed me!) With Saturday's great CG active storm, and Sunday's flooding & gales, certainly a great few days weather wise!!! Anthony Cornelius "Honorary Vic" ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: aus-wx: Victorian weather > Evening all, > > So far from a rather soggy Victoria we have a single Road Closure Alert > issued by Vic Roads at http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/iconlinks/rtti.htm > "Princess Fwy has been closed to all Melbourne bound traffic at Lara. > Detour is Via Old Melbourne rd into Little River and back onto Fwy. > Delays expected, please drive carefully. > Updated at... 22/04/2001 06:08 PM" > > Aquaplaning on roads is commonplace & there is quite a lot of water > flowing across suburban roads & accumulating in dips. > Rain rates are being dramatically underestimated by radar with small > droplets, but lots of them! > > Some rainfalls since 9am (to 7pm): > 47.2mm Aireys Inlet > 39.6mm Avalon > 86.2mm Cerberus > 52.2mm Grovedale > 54.6mm Rhyll > 30.0mm Dunns Hill (Mt D) > 18.4mm Bayswater > ....finally some of the eastern parts of Melbourne are starting to get > significant falls as the wind veers towards the WSW. > > There's currently a very lightning active storm in the north east around > Albury....... > > as Macca said.......VIC RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [155.144.17.252] From: "Simon" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Kansas Tornado Links Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:51:19 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2001 22:51:19.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE2B420:01C0CB7E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Here are some news articles regarding the Hoisington, Kansas tornado that struck Saturday night (USA time), killing one person and pretty much destroying the town. Apparently the tornado warning sirens weren't activated because the tornado struck so suddenly.

Kansas Tornado Kills One
Las Vegas Sun HOISINGTON, Kan. (AP) - Gerald Tauscher was confident the town alarms would give him plenty of warning if a tornado was coming, and he was in no hurry to go to the basement as thunderstorms rolled...
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2001/apr/22/042200965.html


Kansas town assesses tornado damage - (photos and multimedia)
CNN HOISINGTON, Kansas (CNN) - The morning after a tornado tore the heart from this Kansas town, killing one man and injuring at least 26 other people, officials worked Sunday to see whether anyone was...
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WEATHER/04/22/kansas.tornado.02/index.html?s=2

Kansas tornado kills 1, damages 400 homes
Houston Chronicle HOISINGTON, Kan. -- A tornado ripped through this central Kansas town Saturday night, killing one person, damaging some 400 homes and shearing the roof off a hospital. | At least 26 people were....
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/885541

Tornado Hits Kansas Town; One Dead
The Los Angeles Times Reuters |      HOISINGTON, Kan.--HOISINGTON, Kan.--A tornado touched down in this central Kansas farming community of 3,000 late on Saturday night, killing one person, injuring 26 and damaging about 400 homes, a city official said on Sunday...
http://www.latimes.com/wires/20010422/tCB00a5402.html

Hoisington residents had little warning before killer tornado struck (photos)
A tornado left one man dead, 26 people injured and caused millions of dollars in damage as it cut a swath through Hoisington Saturday night.
http://web.wichitaeagle.com/content/wichitaeagle/2001/04/22/frontpage/0423weather.htm

NOAA's Storm Report:
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html



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X-Originating-IP: [203.36.248.19] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Wedderburn Wild One!!! Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:48:32 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2001 23:48:33.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD846300:01C0CB86] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, Had to travel from Wycheproof to Bendigo yesterday to do some last minute shopping before school started again...As we neared Wedderburn we noticed a huge anvil spreading over the top of a solid ebony wall of cloud - it looked like a serious Cb! About 10 km. south of Wedderburn (at about 1.15 p.m.) we saw an enormous guster (must have been kilometres in length!) As luck would have it (my luck anyway) I'd left the camera at home. As we neared the guster there were a number of very suspicious scuddy lowerings - one in particular quite V-shaped, but the storm had by now turned seriously HP. As we (rather nervously) penetrated the rain the entire front windscreen fogged up in about ten seconds at the point where I estimated that the lowering had been! Scary stuff in the pelting rain with headlights on and crawling along at about 50 km/h! So, can't really confirm anything except a nasty puppy south of Wedderburn, but it must have shown up on radar (I presume) and I'd appreciate it if anyone has a central Vic radar shot from say 1 p.m. to say 1.45 p.m. to email me a copy! Also, the storm would have to have shown up on the GHCC Interactive Visible satellite pix, if anyone serendipitously was looking! Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: aus-wx: More Vic rain. Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:19:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Morning all,
 
Some more decent rainfall totals here in Vic. which may interest people.
 
Rainfall from 9am Saturday to 7:30am Monday in the Traralgon River Catchment were:
Upper Catchment:                             
Balook                           249mm          
Mt. Tassie                      203mm                 
Taylors Road Quarry       115mm                
Mt. Hooghly                     98mm                  
 
Lower Catchment:
Callignee North       82mm
Koornalla                74mm
Traralgon South      72mm
Traralgon                68mm
 
Balook is 155km ESE of Melbourne and about 30km south of Traralgon. 
 
I have had 32mm to 9am and its still raining and looking like continuing for some hours to come. 
 
Cerberus ended up with 104.2mm to 9am this morning and going by Blair's email yesterday, it is likely to be a 24hr record for that station.  I also heard that Mt Sabine had a 36hr total of 310mm but this report is somewhat unreliable (coming from a news report).  The Geelong area has also had some decent falls with Grovedale approaching 130mm for the event with 72mm to 9am today on top of yesterday's 46mm.  I'll look forward to hear from Lindsay Smail at Geelong Weather Services to hear the latest run of 24 hour totals from other stations around Geelong.
 
My grandparents at Eastern View (a few km WSW of Airey's Inlet in SW Vic) have had about 150mm so far.
 
Overall it has been an interesting week in Vic in terms of weather.  Let's hope this continues for a while.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
 
 
From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Low temps in Tas and NT To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:53:27 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > In amongst all the rain, it's been clear enough for impressively low > temperatures in the following places: > > - -7.7 at Liawenee on Saturday. This is (at least for the period of > digital record) a Tasmanian record for April. The new Liawenee site > seems significantly colder for minima than the old one and could be > well worth watching. > > - 2.1 at Alice Springs today, 0.4 above its April record (and 1.1 > above the NT April record). > This record was broken this morning, with Alice Springs reaching 1.4. Still (just) above the NT record though. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p470-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.216] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:12:41 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Chase Yesterday Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, We had 6 chasers out in the field yesterday. I believe all the ingredients were ripe for an outbreak except a decent cap and I suppose related to that temp profile not that ideal either. For the first time in some years we had great windshear and moisture profile was good with cold air aloft. We chased the Upper Hunter area and over the hills of Murrurundi to watch a quite impressive storm develop. The anvil spread very quickly and it showed some impressive charactersitics with laminar bands at the bases. It really looked great. Paul Graham and new storm chaser Amy Walton were on the way when they saw the storm developing near Scone-Murrundi. It had some impressive updraughts. We chased back into the Hunter and hit some small hail and very heavy rain in the Murrurundi area. Unfortunately, a four car and one motor bike accident blocked the road near Willow Tree - obviously happened due to the heavy rain of the storms we had watched. SO this prevented us of getting into the more impressive areas. I would say that the most impressive storms developed and moved with the first storms we had watched and lines from there up to the Northern Tabelands - I suppose it was a trough line. However, overall it was not the most impressive event and like I said cool conditions but mainly the lack of a cap were the culprit. I also believe that the storms preceeded rather than developed behind the developing rainband. However, I still believe that those who attended enjoyed the pizza we had in Singleton and a few laughs. I think any chase at the end of the season in April is better than nothing. Both Amy Walton and James Pickett both were on their first chase and they seemed to enjoy it. Others on the chase were Mario Orazem, Geoff Thurtell, Paul Graham and myself. We all got back via the Putty - interesting trip during the night!!! Thanks to David Croan, Malcom Ninnes and Anthony Cornelius for the updates. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [131.217.6.3] From: "Daniel Lester" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Snow on the Alps Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:04:11 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2001 03:04:11.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[1241B350:01C0CBA2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, This morning snow appeared on the alps and I was wondering how it occured given the current synoptic situation. Thanks Daniel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Brisbane Thunderstorm Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:56:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Small thunderstorm passed near Mt. Crosby at 2:30am this morning, presumably corresponding to the passage of the trough. Rained Cats and Frogs... At least, the rain guage this morning held 17mm and 2 frogs (cats to big to fit presumably, ha ha). Best rain in well over a month. John. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.4] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Dry April Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 05:06:12 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2001 05:06:12.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DF84BD0:01C0CBB3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, After what was a quite wet early March for many parts, it looks like April is turning out to be a very dry month over most of Australia. The BoM's "Rainfall to date - Monthly Percentages" tells the story - with only central west NSW, southern Victoria and the eastern bit of the NT having achieved above average rainfall up to the 23rd. The first two areas seem to have been "rescued" by the current event. Around 85% is sitting on less than 20% of the monthly average - this pattern seems unlikely to break in the foreseeable future. You can find the maps here: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/austmaps/puld_menu/ The current event has been very disappointing in Canberra - I received only 7mm on Saturday (to make 8mm for the month). The event was also pretty disappointing for most of NSW (except for the Central Coast, Central Tablelands and SW Slopes). I hope we are not heading into a repeat of 1982 - it has a slight feel to it?? Particularly after last years good snow season, it reminds me a bit of 1981 which was then followed by a severe drought in 1982 - which developed quite quickly from April onwards. Patrick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:27:21 +1000 To: Aussie Weather List , aussie-weather at theweather.com.au From: Carl Smith Subject: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: URL change to my website Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. Just to let you know that my website URL at Ace-Net has changed due to server modifications that were beyond my control. There were some teething problems with the server modifications, so if some of you have had difficulty accessing my pages, this is the reason. There is a diversion script now in place so the old URL works, however some may find an error page opens before the browser diverts to the new location. The new URL is : http://users.ace-net.com.au/~carls/ - it simply has 'users' in place of 'www' on all my pages. Perhaps bookmarks and links to anything on my Ace-Net website in your web pages should be changed to reflect the new URL in the near future, as I do not know how long the diversion script will be in place. Hopefully it is all sorted out now. Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p470-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.216] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:39:55 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Next AMOS meeting - interesting Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com NOTICE OF APRIL/MAY SCIENTIFIC MEETING The next meeting of the AMOS Sydney Centre will be held on Wednesday 2 May, 2001 Venue: Macquarie University School of Earth Sciences Room 143, Building E5A, Level 1 Parking is available on campus, but fees apply: be careful. Time: 7:30 p.m. for a 7:45 p.m. start. The program includes announcements, the current weather situation and forecasts for the week. The main seminar will be on "GIFTS: The new Advanced Satellite Sounder" by John LeMarshall (full details on next page), and should be outstanding. The Committee will be dining with the speaker at the nearby "Middle of Nowhere" restaurant from about 6:00 p.m. Members and guests are welcome to join the Committee at the dinner. Please contact Angela Maharaj (02 9850-8344/fax 9850-8420) or email amaharaj at penman.es.mq.edu.au if you wish to attend the dinner so that a booking can be made. Some light refreshments will be available following the meeting. (There will be a $2 charge for non-AMOS members, other than students.) More information is available on our website: http://www.amos.org.au/sydney/meetings2001.html Sydney AMOS Presentation, May 2, 2001 Macquarie University, 7:30 pm Room 143, Building E5A John LeMarshall Bureau of Meteorology GIFTS: The New Advanced Satellite Sounder As the spatial, temporal and spectral resolution of observations taken from space increases, there has been an improvement in the utility of the data, particularly for applications such as weather forecasting. Here we will briefly examine improvements to date, and then discuss the benefits expected from the coming generation of Ultra-spectral Advanced Sounders. The first of these expected to provide operational data is the polar orbiting Advanced InfraRed Sounder (AIRS) instrument in early 2002 on NASA's EOS PM platform. Two proposals from the Bureau, related to AIRS, were accepted after NASA's Announcement of Opportunity at the inception of the EOS program. A short description of the Bureau's activity related to AIRS will be presented, including plans for data reception, calibration and validation, and data assimilation. The first geostationary advanced sounder will be the Geostationary Imaging Fourier Transform Spectrometer (GIFTS). This instrument will be launched in 2004 and Australia will play a key role in this mission. The GIFTS is expected to spend the first 18 months after launch off the East and West coasts of the USA and subsequently move to the Indian Ocean. The Bureau of Meteorology will then be responsible for data reception, product generation and subsequent distribution of the data to weather services and global NWP centres. The observation program is expected to extend into 2012. The characteristics of the GIFTS will be described and the expected benefits from its deployment will be noted. It should be noted that this instrument of effectively 3000 channels can produce 16,384 temperature soundings, every 10 seconds at 4 km resolution, with an accuracy of about 1 K. In recent years, airborne instruments with similar characteristics to GIFTS have been flown and examples of the application data from some of these instruments will be shown. John LeMarshall obtained his PhD in Physics from Monash University in 1973, and has been head of the Satellite Section of the Bureau of Meteorology for many years, responsible for planning, implementation and maintenance of satellite data reception and processing, and for policy development. He is the Chair of several international satellite working groups and teams. He was recently invited to Washington to talk at a conference marking the 40th anniversary of the launch of the first weather satellite. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p41-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.105] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:52:59 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Patrick, Funny you say that. I was thinking the same thing. Apparently the ocean temps are rising in South America which means that the SOI will perhaps begin falling soon. Not that I am an expert in this field. Of course what this means is that we may have frosts beginning earlier than normal. I would not be surprised with this system to see such frosts to begin very soon in the western suburbs of Sydney beginning soon particularly as the high develops an inversion. Old timers suggest that there have been years when frosts began reasonably early in a couple fo years in the past and severe frosts were a norm all the way through until September and October. If this is the scenario, what would this make of snowfalls during the season? Perhaps a late burst of snow? Jimmy Deguara >I hope we are not heading into a repeat of 1982 - it has a slight feel to >it?? Particularly after last years good snow season, it reminds me a bit >of 1981 which was then followed by a severe drought in 1982 - which >developed quite quickly from April onwards. > >Patrick >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: HUGE rainfall totals in Vic!!! Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:13:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I personally have only ever seen 2 other motor races in Australia with track conditions like that, Bathurst 1000 when Jim Richards won in a 3 wheel Skyline and Adelaide F1 Grand Prix when Senna came out of the mist and straight into the back of someone else. And the team managers wanted their riders to go out in it!!! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn" To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: HUGE rainfall totals in Vic!!! > Have been watching the Superbikes, and boy, has Phillip Island really got > it. They rarely cancel a race!!!!! > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 05:03:46 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com According to Blair, Alice Springs and liawenee have already had their reocrd lows for April - Liawnee's was probably a Tasmanian record. I would be interested is Blair's comments on Charlotte Pass getting down to -12 on 12 April (from memory). As far as I can tell this equals the NSW and Australian April record but I only have rounded figures and Kiandra reached -11 on 27/4/1967 and 16-4-1963. Any comments, Blair ?? Anyway, the potential for early season frost is looks fair, the SOI is down to near zero, SSTs are rising in the Eastern Pacific but all US models point to neatral conditions over the Pacific for at least this year - so, the next El Nino might have to wait. Don White Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > Funny you say that. I was thinking the same thing. Apparently the ocean > temps are rising in South America which means that the SOI will perhaps > begin falling soon. Not that I am an expert in this field. > > Of course what this means is that we may have frosts beginning earlier than > normal. I would not be surprised with this system to see such frosts to > begin very soon in the western suburbs of Sydney beginning soon > particularly as the high develops an inversion. > > Old timers suggest that there have been years when frosts began reasonably > early in a couple fo years in the past and severe frosts were a norm all > the way through until September and October. > > If this is the scenario, what would this make of snowfalls during the > season? Perhaps a late burst of snow? > > Jimmy Deguara > > >I hope we are not heading into a repeat of 1982 - it has a slight feel to > >it?? Particularly after last years good snow season, it reminds me a bit > >of 1981 which was then followed by a severe drought in 1982 - which > >developed quite quickly from April onwards. > > > >Patrick > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Geelong Weather Services" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: More Vic rain. Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:07:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Andrew, Updates now on my website;
 
Mt Sabine (371 mm) was quoted from BoM Flood Warnings so I'm assuming it's reliable, but I haven't verified it.
Regards to all, Lindsay Smail.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of McDonald
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2001 10:19 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: More Vic rain.

Morning all,
 
Some more decent rainfall totals here in Vic. which may interest people.
 
Rainfall from 9am Saturday to 7:30am Monday in the Traralgon River Catchment were:
Upper Catchment:                             
Balook                           249mm          
Mt. Tassie                      203mm                 
Taylors Road Quarry       115mm                
Mt. Hooghly                     98mm                  
 
Lower Catchment:
Callignee North       82mm
Koornalla                74mm
Traralgon South      72mm
Traralgon                68mm
 
Balook is 155km ESE of Melbourne and about 30km south of Traralgon. 
 
I have had 32mm to 9am and its still raining and looking like continuing for some hours to come. 
 
Cerberus ended up with 104.2mm to 9am this morning and going by Blair's email yesterday, it is likely to be a 24hr record for that station.  I also heard that Mt Sabine had a 36hr total of 310mm but this report is somewhat unreliable (coming from a news report).  The Geelong area has also had some decent falls with Grovedale approaching 130mm for the event with 72mm to 9am today on top of yesterday's 46mm.  I'll look forward to hear from Lindsay Smail at Geelong Weather Services to hear the latest run of 24 hour totals from other stations around Geelong.
 
My grandparents at Eastern View (a few km WSW of Airey's Inlet in SW Vic) have had about 150mm so far.
 
Overall it has been an interesting week in Vic in terms of weather.  Let's hope this continues for a while.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
 
 
From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: HUGE rainfall totals in Vic!!! Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:44:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes The Mount (Panarama, Bathurst) certainly is a challenge in the dry let alone the wet!!! All I can say is thank goodness for Aussies who know the conditions!!!!! Carolyn +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Geelong Weather Services" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: More Vic rain. Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:34:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Mt Sabine was reported originally on BoM Flood Warning (IDW40V19) issued at 10.14 am on Sunday 22nd as having received a 24 hour total of 284 mm.  Sorry for any confusion. LS.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Geelong Weather Services
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2001 5:08 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: More Vic rain.

Andrew, Updates now on my website;
 
Mt Sabine (371 mm) was quoted from BoM Flood Warnings so I'm assuming it's reliable, but I haven't verified it.
Regards to all, Lindsay Smail.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of McDonald
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2001 10:19 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: More Vic rain.

Morning all,
 
Some more decent rainfall totals here in Vic. which may interest people.
 
Rainfall from 9am Saturday to 7:30am Monday in the Traralgon River Catchment were:
Upper Catchment:                             
Balook                           249mm          
Mt. Tassie                      203mm                 
Taylors Road Quarry       115mm                
Mt. Hooghly                     98mm                  
 
Lower Catchment:
Callignee North       82mm
Koornalla                74mm
Traralgon South      72mm
Traralgon                68mm
 
Balook is 155km ESE of Melbourne and about 30km south of Traralgon. 
 
I have had 32mm to 9am and its still raining and looking like continuing for some hours to come. 
 
Cerberus ended up with 104.2mm to 9am this morning and going by Blair's email yesterday, it is likely to be a 24hr record for that station.  I also heard that Mt Sabine had a 36hr total of 310mm but this report is somewhat unreliable (coming from a news report).  The Geelong area has also had some decent falls with Grovedale approaching 130mm for the event with 72mm to 9am today on top of yesterday's 46mm.  I'll look forward to hear from Lindsay Smail at Geelong Weather Services to hear the latest run of 24 hour totals from other stations around Geelong.
 
My grandparents at Eastern View (a few km WSW of Airey's Inlet in SW Vic) have had about 150mm so far.
 
Overall it has been an interesting week in Vic in terms of weather.  Let's hope this continues for a while.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
 
 
X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:53:17 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Yep, I'm still excited, and here's my report and pictures on the 2 funnels I saw (the first _possibly_ being a tornado!). The page says it all, so I won't repeat anything here http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Apr/chase3.html Due to the low contrast of situation, I enhanced the pics a bit, but the prints are clearer, and with what I saw with my naked eye, there was no doubt. Thanks to Macca and Jane for their updates while out on the field. Now I can catch up on those 100+ emails waiting for me! Cheers On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: > Hi all, > > Just had a phone call from an EXTREMELY excited Robert Goler. Robert > headed up to Wagga last night and got a nice lightning show and this > morning was sitting just W of Junee watching some large congesting > cumulus and hello boys a funnel pops out of the base. The cell was > precipitating to the S and the funnel appeared from RFB to the N of the > precip. It extended half way to the ground before being enveloped in > rain. Soon after, a second, smaller funnel appeared from the RFB and > extended 1/3 of the way to the ground. Last I heard, Robert was driving > (fast) to get himself closer to this cell. Radar at the time shows a > nice little patch of pink on Wagga Local which appeared out of nothing > so it's probably a fairly strong cell. > > We called the Sydney BoM from here to report it to them (be interesting > to see what happens with this). > > I'll keep the updates coming in as they come in here. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald, Matt Pearce, Matt Smith, Anthony Cornelius. > -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Rainfall Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:02:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com After seeing some of the rainfall you people have had south of the ranges it's pretty awesome. My claim to fame over the 3 days is a whole 13.4mm and losing power twice last night disrupting all the local business's to 10am this morning. Hey Clyve, got your floaties on? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:11:30 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert There is certainly a good possibility it touched down, going by your photos that have been enhanced. The funnel looks to have extended over 1/2 way... who knows what was going on behind the trees ! Great you got out there to see it! and a nice report too. Matt Smith Robert Goler wrote: > Hi all > > Yep, I'm still excited, and here's my report and pictures on the 2 funnels > I saw (the first _possibly_ being a tornado!). The page says it all, so I > won't repeat anything here > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Apr/chase3.html > > Due to the low contrast of situation, I enhanced the pics a bit, but > the prints are clearer, and with what I saw with my naked eye, there was > no doubt. > > Thanks to Macca and Jane for their updates while out on the field. > > Now I can catch up on those 100+ emails waiting for me! > > Cheers > > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Just had a phone call from an EXTREMELY excited Robert Goler. Robert > > headed up to Wagga last night and got a nice lightning show and this > > morning was sitting just W of Junee watching some large congesting > > cumulus and hello boys a funnel pops out of the base. The cell was > > precipitating to the S and the funnel appeared from RFB to the N of the > > precip. It extended half way to the ground before being enveloped in > > rain. Soon after, a second, smaller funnel appeared from the RFB and > > extended 1/3 of the way to the ground. Last I heard, Robert was driving > > (fast) to get himself closer to this cell. Radar at the time shows a > > nice little patch of pink on Wagga Local which appeared out of nothing > > so it's probably a fairly strong cell. > > > > We called the Sydney BoM from here to report it to them (be interesting > > to see what happens with this). > > > > I'll keep the updates coming in as they come in here. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew McDonald, Matt Pearce, Matt Smith, Anthony Cornelius. > > > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian weather Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:44:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's funny that you should mention this. On two trips to Melbourne in the past I have experienced very heavy rain, although short lived and I did notice puddling in the road middle, something that you never get here. On both occasions it was the Nepean Hwy Michael > No doubt water certainly seems to collect on the roads here more than other > places. While I guess that the government sees that they don't always need > the drainage, even light rain had water collecting on the roads, making > conditions slippery and also very difficult to see if there was a car in > front of you with its spray! Certainly I was surprised at how much water > collected there, and am not surprised that people aqua-plane and have > accidents - in fact, we saw two cars in Geelong spin out at round-abouts, > one hit the kurb! > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p41-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.105] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:09:37 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, That's an excellent chase and excellent result. That proves that this system was one hell of a system. The structure you have there was classic. I am wondering was it a larger "coldie" type of storm (supercell). Just unclear from the photos as to judging the size of the storm. Great report. It is interesting to see that in the last two years with chasing and ASWA that wall clouds and tornadoes have been spotted. This is adds to it. Well done. Jimmy Deguara At 06:53 PM 23/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all > >Yep, I'm still excited, and here's my report and pictures on the 2 funnels >I saw (the first _possibly_ being a tornado!). The page says it all, so I >won't repeat anything here > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Apr/chase3.html > >Due to the low contrast of situation, I enhanced the pics a bit, but >the prints are clearer, and with what I saw with my naked eye, there was >no doubt. > >Thanks to Macca and Jane for their updates while out on the field. > >Now I can catch up on those 100+ emails waiting for me! > > >Cheers > >On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Just had a phone call from an EXTREMELY excited Robert Goler. Robert > > headed up to Wagga last night and got a nice lightning show and this > > morning was sitting just W of Junee watching some large congesting > > cumulus and hello boys a funnel pops out of the base. The cell was > > precipitating to the S and the funnel appeared from RFB to the N of the > > precip. It extended half way to the ground before being enveloped in > > rain. Soon after, a second, smaller funnel appeared from the RFB and > > extended 1/3 of the way to the ground. Last I heard, Robert was driving > > (fast) to get himself closer to this cell. Radar at the time shows a > > nice little patch of pink on Wagga Local which appeared out of nothing > > so it's probably a fairly strong cell. > > > > We called the Sydney BoM from here to report it to them (be interesting > > to see what happens with this). > > > > I'll keep the updates coming in as they come in here. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew McDonald, Matt Pearce, Matt Smith, Anthony Cornelius. > > > >-- > >Robert A. Goler > >E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > >Department of Mathematics and Statistics >Monash University >Clayton, Vic 3800 >Australia > >-- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:32:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think Roger's pictures are a good sample of many more funnels and tornadoes to come from the Aussi crew, they have always been there and we are just beginning to catch them. I thought earlier in the week that system had good storm potential, albeit I was thinking more North. I wonder what this system would have been like had it occurred in October or November, it would have been supercell city. Michael > That's an excellent chase and excellent result. That proves that this > system was one hell of a system. The structure you have there was classic. > I am wondering was it a larger "coldie" type of storm (supercell). Just > unclear from the photos as to judging the size of the storm. > > Great report. It is interesting to see that in the last two years with > chasing and ASWA that wall clouds and tornadoes have been spotted. This is > adds to it. Well done. > > Jimmy Deguara > > > At 06:53 PM 23/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi all > > > >Yep, I'm still excited, and here's my report and pictures on the 2 funnels > >I saw (the first _possibly_ being a tornado!). The page says it all, so I > >won't repeat anything here > > > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Apr/chase3.html > > > >Due to the low contrast of situation, I enhanced the pics a bit, but > >the prints are clearer, and with what I saw with my naked eye, there was > >no doubt. > > > >Thanks to Macca and Jane for their updates while out on the field. > > > >Now I can catch up on those 100+ emails waiting for me! > > > > > >Cheers > > > >On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Just had a phone call from an EXTREMELY excited Robert Goler. Robert > > > headed up to Wagga last night and got a nice lightning show and this > > > morning was sitting just W of Junee watching some large congesting > > > cumulus and hello boys a funnel pops out of the base. The cell was > > > precipitating to the S and the funnel appeared from RFB to the N of the > > > precip. It extended half way to the ground before being enveloped in > > > rain. Soon after, a second, smaller funnel appeared from the RFB and > > > extended 1/3 of the way to the ground. Last I heard, Robert was driving > > > (fast) to get himself closer to this cell. Radar at the time shows a > > > nice little patch of pink on Wagga Local which appeared out of nothing > > > so it's probably a fairly strong cell. > > > > > > We called the Sydney BoM from here to report it to them (be interesting > > > to see what happens with this). > > > > > > I'll keep the updates coming in as they come in here. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Andrew McDonald, Matt Pearce, Matt Smith, Anthony Cornelius. > > > > > > >-- > > > >Robert A. Goler > > > >E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > > >Department of Mathematics and Statistics > >Monash University > >Clayton, Vic 3800 > >Australia > > > >-- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:54:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert Great pictures and luckily you were able to enhance them. One tip when taking cloud shots is to try to get rid of the foreground no matter how pretty. Either your light meter will expose for the wheat fields, or if you get the exposure right, the photo lab will think your taking paddock shots of dad's farm and compensate the image to expose the wheat field correctly. Regards Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Monday, 23 April 2001 18:53 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW > > Hi all > > Yep, I'm still excited, and here's my report and pictures on the 2 funnels > I saw (the first _possibly_ being a tornado!). The page says it all, so I > won't repeat anything here > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Apr/chase3.html > > Due to the low contrast of situation, I enhanced the pics a bit, but > the prints are clearer, and with what I saw with my naked eye, there was > no doubt. > > Thanks to Macca and Jane for their updates while out on the field. > > Now I can catch up on those 100+ emails waiting for me! > > > Cheers > > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Just had a phone call from an EXTREMELY excited Robert Goler. Robert > > headed up to Wagga last night and got a nice lightning show and this > > morning was sitting just W of Junee watching some large congesting > > cumulus and hello boys a funnel pops out of the base. The cell was > > precipitating to the S and the funnel appeared from RFB to the N of the > > precip. It extended half way to the ground before being enveloped in > > rain. Soon after, a second, smaller funnel appeared from the RFB and > > extended 1/3 of the way to the ground. Last I heard, Robert was driving > > (fast) to get himself closer to this cell. Radar at the time shows a > > nice little patch of pink on Wagga Local which appeared out of nothing > > so it's probably a fairly strong cell. > > > > We called the Sydney BoM from here to report it to them (be interesting > > to see what happens with this). > > > > I'll keep the updates coming in as they come in here. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew McDonald, Matt Pearce, Matt Smith, Anthony Cornelius. > > > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:24:48 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photolab production Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Michael Thompson wrote: > or if you get the exposure right, the photo lab will think your taking > paddock shots of dad's farm and compensate the image to expose the wheat > field correctly. Hi all I've wondered about this with photolabs. Do they actually go through all photos to adjust the exposure, or do they just look at the first print, adjust the lighting accordingly, and then set the machine to automatically print out the rest based on that setting? I've often found that if I have to change films during a particular sequence of shots, the shots on the new roll come out slightly different (often better) than then ones on the end of the old roll, particularly if the leading shots of the old roll weren't weather related. I'll have to ask next time I'm at the photolab. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photolab production Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:53:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Robert, Most photolabs will do a developer test first thing in the morning after the chemicals are up to operating temperature in the bath & then adjust the mixtures to what is considered the 'optimum' according to the recommendations of the chemical manufacturer (Kodak, Fuji, Agfa) - that takes care of the negative processing part of it, which sometimes explains why 2 films from the same batch, when processed on different days at the same lab will actually end up with emulsions of different colours, with the resulting prints being different as well. The printer operator will run a paper test through the machine in the morning and adjust the amounts of cyan/magenta/yellow & density to the predetermined 'optimum'. All films will normally be printed at these settings unless the negatives 'seriously' depart from the norm, in which case you may find that a film will be reprinted. Unless you specifically ask them to do a test print on your film & then correct for clouds (which they can do at no cost if they are feeling generous & not too pushed for time), they will print your film exactly the same as they print everyone else's. Doesn't hurt to let them know what's on your film & ask them to do a testprint first - it also helps if you take in a print from a previous roll (using the same type of film) you are happy with as a guide for them to use. (you'll find that all printer operators also have their own color preferences which tend to skew the result a bit). If you have a friendly photolab they will quite often turn themselves inside out to give you the prints that you want, but you do need to ask. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Michael Thompson wrote: > > > or if you get the exposure right, the photo lab will think your taking > > paddock shots of dad's farm and compensate the image to expose the wheat > > field correctly. > > Hi all > > I've wondered about this with photolabs. Do they actually go through all > photos to adjust the exposure, or do they just look at the first print, > adjust the lighting accordingly, and then set the machine to automatically > print out the rest based on that setting? > > I've often found that if I have to change films during a particular > sequence of shots, the shots on the new roll come out slightly different > (often better) than then ones on the end of the old roll, particularly if > the leading shots of the old roll weren't weather related. > > I'll have to ask next time I'm at the photolab. > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Photolab production Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:00:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > I've wondered about this with photolabs. Do they actually go through all > photos to adjust the exposure, or do they just look at the first print, > adjust the lighting accordingly, and then set the machine to automatically > print out the rest based on that setting? > > I've often found that if I have to change films during a particular > sequence of shots, the shots on the new roll come out slightly different > (often better) than then ones on the end of the old roll, particularly if > the leading shots of the old roll weren't weather related. > > I'll have to ask next time I'm at the photolab. Most labs will check the first few shots on the roll, and adjust from there. This only applies to print film, and you can ask them not to do it. Slide film is done to a recipe, but you can ask them to do the first few shots, and adjust the roll from there. If you want interesting cloud shots, shoot in black and white, and stretch red cellophane over the lens. -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.89.204] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:26:36 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2001 11:56:36.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[72E84940:01C0CBEC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Patrick, It may be a bit too early to start worrying about the possibility of drought conditions developing. Here in Adelaide though we have not even had half our monthly rainfall, compared with an almost doubled or doubled rainfall total last month. All this considering areas of SA including Adelaide were forecast to have higher chances of above average rainfall over April and May. Interesting how totals are above average when there is less than a 50% forecast and below average when there's more than 60% forecasted possibility. However I do note that BOM's long-term climate forecasting has a VERY POOR success rate for areas like SA, as BOM always says, it has higher skills for eastern and northern Australia. Anyway I hope May brings significant rains for SA or else maybe we should start worrying about heading into a drought or dry conditoons. I have a feeling it will get wetter soon, that's more a hope than a feeling. By the way I get REALLY sick of weather presenters especially on one channel (I won't name), saying "it was cold today but at least we didn't have rain". A weather presenter should be open minded and point out that we actually are way below our average rainfall total here in Adelaide at the moment and maybe everyone out there should start doing a rain dance:) I much prefer it to be cold for a purpose, RAIN, than just cold. Anyway enough winging from me, hope it gets wet here soon or there will be a lot more winging. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:04:06 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photolab production Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Rob, Many places do it automatically, in fact some can't do it any other way! Not good if you have specific photos! Especially weather. With my photos, I take them to Photo Continental, they do a great job (IMO) on my photos here. But I still have to leave instructions, they do expose each photo separately, but I always have to leave them a message "Expose for the sky, not the ground" - so that the primary focus is the sky/clouds. Obviously you also want the foreground to look nice, but not at the expense of the over-exposing your cloud photos! There are other ways to try and get around this...obviously making sure your film is exposed properly in the first place while taking a photo is good. I tend to try and use high apperatures (to get longer shutter speeds), and in very bright/hazy conditions, after metering the sky I tend to take it down 1/2 to a full stop exposure. But I am only new to changing the settings on the camera, and am still learning. Tony Middleton is a great photo expert if you wanted to catch up with him at an ASWA meeting one time! AC Robert Goler wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Michael Thompson wrote: > > > or if you get the exposure right, the photo lab will think your taking > > paddock shots of dad's farm and compensate the image to expose the wheat > > field correctly. > > Hi all > > I've wondered about this with photolabs. Do they actually go through all > photos to adjust the exposure, or do they just look at the first print, > adjust the lighting accordingly, and then set the machine to automatically > print out the rest based on that setting? > > I've often found that if I have to change films during a particular > sequence of shots, the shots on the new roll come out slightly different > (often better) than then ones on the end of the old roll, particularly if > the leading shots of the old roll weren't weather related. > > I'll have to ask next time I'm at the photolab. > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p41-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.105] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:22:32 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: AVNPlotter program Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, for those disciples of mine who like plotting the lifted Index CAPE winds and so forth, Ihave a written a program that will be improved upon even from now, I have made it available on the internet as version 1.0. I will be making modifications in the near future but for those who would like to try it out, it is well worth the effort I have put into it. The basic concept of this program is to reduce the tedious task and time required to plot go back plot another etc. With this it is hit one button and your favourite variables are opened into separate windows. You can save your favourites so they can be plotted so you have a few ways to approach it. The program is called AvnPlotter. It is and will remain free. http://australiasevereweather.com/links/avnplotter.exe Like I said a few modifications are underway over the next few days. Cheers Jimmy Deguara ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:28:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I'm having a little trouble with an event such as this one which Robert saw near Junee on Saturday. I'm not too sure about this being a supercell for starters. From the description Robert gave me at the time and as is displayed in his report, I am under the impretion that the funnels didn't come from a Cb but from a Cumulus Congestus. It's a diffiucult event to label as such but I think after seeing events such as this myself and hearing several reports of these events at other times I think a label may be necessary for future reference. I'm not great with the term "landspout" but honestly I think there is no better term for it as yet (if i come up with one I'll let you know). Going by my personal experiences (Nov 11 2000 where Chris Gribben and myself saw a very similar event take place near Swan Hill in NW Victoria), I have noted a few similarities between the events. - Clearing overnight rain/storms. - Trough line (convergence zone?) very close to the vicinity of the funnels. - Lots of moisture in the low levels and hence a low LCL. - Limited heating. - Moderate lapse rates. - Moderate low level speed shear (not sure of directional shear). - No glaciation of Congestus. - No apparent wall cloud. - There was precipitation falling in the vicinity of the funnel/s and it/they became engulfed in rain (i was going to type wrapped but i'm not sure about using that term). (I wonder if the precip plays any part in the development??) - The BoM was informed at the time of both events yet no warning was issued. This last point raises a few questions. I know that at the time of the reports the guys at the BoM would be able to see that there are no Cb's in the given area so you would expect them to assume it to be a landspout/land funnel. Are land funnels considered less likely to touch down than funnels spawned from a thunderstorm (whether it is a supercell or not)? Are landspouts considered such a small threat to property and lives that no warning is required? Did the BoM realise that these events were far enough from populated areas and would be short lived enough to not cause damage? I'm not having a dig at the BoM here - far from it actually. I'd like to know if there is a landspout action plan at the BoM and I'm also trying to promote discussion to see if something should be implemented to deal with events like this (if the need is there - ie. if these landspouts are strong enough to cause significant risk to lives and property). I'm not saying that they should try and forecast these events as that would be impossible. I just think that perhaps these landspouts events should be looked at a little more closely. From what I observed near Swan Hill, I would most definitely not call it a supercell - it developed more from a strongish cumulus congestus. The base area around the funnel remained fairly flat and due to our distance from them (there were several funnels) we couldn't make out any rotation at cloud base. Michael Bath and Dave Ellem observed a tornado near their houses in NE NSW earlier this year some time too which could possibly be of a similar nature. From the photos of that, the LCL was relatively low, the storm (it was a Cb in this case - although MB suggests there was no thunder - intereting) was low topped for that area and it also showed some, if not all of the charateristics as mentioned above. Anyway - I hope this can promote some discussion regarding the formation of landspouts (which are tornadoes but probably not formed in the same way as supercellular tornadoes), the conditions in which they develop and also in the treatment of them by the BoM. Enough on landspouts. Now for the Vic rainfall. Just a quick update on the two biggest falls so far........ Balook (30km S of Traralgon in East Central Vic) has haad 395mm from 9am Saturday until 7pm Monday night (58hrs) and Mt Sabine in the Otways (in SW Vic about 8km N of Lorne) has had 385mm in the same time period. Airey's Inlet is approaching 200mm for the event as are several other stations in SW and SE Vic. The Princes Hwy b/w Melbourne and Geelong was re-opened this afternoon to both in and out bound traffic but only 1 lane was open both ways so traffic was apparently horrendus. I did hear a rumour that the detour route via Bacchus Marsh was closed this afternoon to all traffic due to further flooding. This comes as no surprise given the amount of water along and over that road last night when myself, Anthony Cornelius and my sister were returning from our flood chase. The rain over the SW has eased somewhat in the last few hours but it looks like the SE is still getting some more rain. Balook will most likely crack 400mm sometime this evening and there is a SLIGHT chance that it will reach 450mm. Sorry for the long email. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW > Hi Robert, > > That's an excellent chase and excellent result. That proves that this > system was one hell of a system. The structure you have there was classic. > I am wondering was it a larger "coldie" type of storm (supercell). Just > unclear from the photos as to judging the size of the storm. > > Great report. It is interesting to see that in the last two years with > chasing and ASWA that wall clouds and tornadoes have been spotted. This is > adds to it. Well done. > > Jimmy Deguara > > > At 06:53 PM 23/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi all > > > >Yep, I'm still excited, and here's my report and pictures on the 2 funnels > >I saw (the first _possibly_ being a tornado!). The page says it all, so I > >won't repeat anything here > > > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Apr/chase3.html > > > >Due to the low contrast of situation, I enhanced the pics a bit, but > >the prints are clearer, and with what I saw with my naked eye, there was > >no doubt. > > > >Thanks to Macca and Jane for their updates while out on the field. > > > >Now I can catch up on those 100+ emails waiting for me! > > > > > >Cheers > > > >On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Just had a phone call from an EXTREMELY excited Robert Goler. Robert > > > headed up to Wagga last night and got a nice lightning show and this > > > morning was sitting just W of Junee watching some large congesting > > > cumulus and hello boys a funnel pops out of the base. The cell was > > > precipitating to the S and the funnel appeared from RFB to the N of the > > > precip. It extended half way to the ground before being enveloped in > > > rain. Soon after, a second, smaller funnel appeared from the RFB and > > > extended 1/3 of the way to the ground. Last I heard, Robert was driving > > > (fast) to get himself closer to this cell. Radar at the time shows a > > > nice little patch of pink on Wagga Local which appeared out of nothing > > > so it's probably a fairly strong cell. > > > > > > We called the Sydney BoM from here to report it to them (be interesting > > > to see what happens with this). > > > > > > I'll keep the updates coming in as they come in here. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Andrew McDonald, Matt Pearce, Matt Smith, Anthony Cornelius. > > > > > > >-- > > > >Robert A. Goler > > > >E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > > >Department of Mathematics and Statistics > >Monash University > >Clayton, Vic 3800 > >Australia > > > >-- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:39:45 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Perth got its first rainfall for the month last night, there was thunderstorms about the city, but most of the rainfall missed the official gauge at Mt Lawley, but it still managed to pick up 1.4mm, the average for April is 46mm. Jacob At 09:26 PM 23/04/01 +0930, you wrote: >Patrick, > >It may be a bit too early to start worrying about the possibility of drought >conditions developing. Here in Adelaide though we have not even had half >our monthly rainfall, compared with an almost doubled or doubled rainfall >total last month. All this considering areas of SA including Adelaide were >forecast to have higher chances of above average rainfall over April and >May. Interesting how totals are above average when there is less than a 50% >forecast and below average when there's more than 60% forecasted >possibility. However I do note that BOM's long-term climate forecasting has >a VERY POOR success rate for areas like SA, as BOM always says, it has >higher skills for eastern and northern Australia. Anyway I hope May brings >significant rains for SA or else maybe we should start worrying about >heading into a drought or dry conditoons. I have a feeling it will get >wetter soon, that's more a hope than a feeling. By the way I get REALLY >sick of weather presenters especially on one channel (I won't name), saying >"it was cold today but at least we didn't have rain". A weather presenter >should be open minded and point out that we actually are way below our >average rainfall total here in Adelaide at the moment and maybe everyone out >there should start doing a rain dance:) I much prefer it to be cold for a >purpose, RAIN, than just cold. Anyway enough winging from me, hope it gets >wet here soon or there will be a lot more winging. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Tim Eckert To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" X-Originating-IP: [210.9.136.248] Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:41:44 +0930 X-mailer: AspMail 4.0 4.02 (SMT4DD4B4F) Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photolab production Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I work at a photo lab in Adelaide, and have to agree with Jane that the best thing to do is let the printer operator know exactly what you have taken on the rolls. If you are not happy with the photos you have received, just take the negs and the original back to the lab, and kindly ask for them to re-do it. Most labs will kindly reprint to your liking. It does depend on the lab you go to and what machines they use. Some places will not check exposure at all. While others, like ourselves, will correct the exposure and colour of each individual print as we go. Just find a lab you like and stick with it. BTW, if I may, a small plug for Adelaide photographers... Picture Perfect Memories, Newton and Newton Fast Photos will make sure your storm photos turn out to your liking! :) Tim Eckert Adelaide. Original message from: "Jane ONeill" > >Robert, > >Most photolabs will do a developer test first thing in the morning after >the chemicals are up to operating temperature in the bath & then adjust >the mixtures to what is considered the 'optimum' according to the >recommendations of the chemical manufacturer (Kodak, Fuji, Agfa) - that >takes care of the negative processing part of it, which sometimes >explains why 2 films from the same batch, when processed on different >days at the same lab will actually end up with emulsions of different >colours, with the resulting prints being different as well. > >The printer operator will run a paper test through the machine in the >morning and adjust the amounts of cyan/magenta/yellow & density to the >predetermined 'optimum'. All films will normally be printed at these >settings unless the negatives 'seriously' depart from the norm, in which >case you may find that a film will be reprinted. > >Unless you specifically ask them to do a test print on your film & then >correct for clouds (which they can do at no cost if they are feeling >generous & not too pushed for time), they will print your film exactly >the same as they print everyone else's. > >Doesn't hurt to let them know what's on your film & ask them to do a >testprint first - it also helps if you take in a print from a previous >roll (using the same type of film) you are happy with as a guide for >them to use. (you'll find that all printer operators also have their own >color preferences which tend to skew the result a bit). > >If you have a friendly photolab they will quite often turn themselves >inside out to give you the prints that you want, but you do need to ask. > >Jane >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Michael Thompson wrote: >> >> > or if you get the exposure right, the photo lab will think your >taking >> > paddock shots of dad's farm and compensate the image to expose the >wheat >> > field correctly. >> >> Hi all >> >> I've wondered about this with photolabs. Do they actually go through >all >> photos to adjust the exposure, or do they just look at the first >print, >> adjust the lighting accordingly, and then set the machine to >automatically >> print out the rest based on that setting? >> >> I've often found that if I have to change films during a particular >> sequence of shots, the shots on the new roll come out slightly >different >> (often better) than then ones on the end of the old roll, particularly >if >> the leading shots of the old roll weren't weather related. >> >> I'll have to ask next time I'm at the photolab. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> >> Robert A. Goler >> >> E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au >> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ >> >> Department of Mathematics and Statistics >> Monash University >> Clayton, Vic 3800 >> Australia >> >> -- >> >> >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- >-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- - >. > __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "DroughtMaster" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photolab production Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:43:15 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Weather station Website... http://members.tripod.com/~gomaz/ If you want interesting cloud shots, shoot in black and white, and stretch red > cellophane over the lens. ........................................decent 35mm camera with colour and a polarizing filter ..else try some IR film great effects > Everybody is somebody else's freak > na > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Martin Davey" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Dry April Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:41:48 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com SG, I hate to be a pessimist here but the National Climate Centres prediction for May to July is for a very strong chance of dry conditions over much of SE Australia and SE SA during this period as well as above average temperatures, in other words another mild dry winter. Can you believe this? The most disappointing aspect of this forecast is that last month they were predicting an increase number of NW cloud bands and higher rainfall. That aside the signs are worrying despite the recent deluge in Southern Victoria. All of April has been dominated by large and strong slow moving high pressure systems. Fronts have been either very weak or non existant. There have been virtually no NW cloud bands and the current weather map looks nothing like a Winter pattern. I really hope my pessimism is unfounded. The only saving grace is that Autumn is a period when changes can occur. There is still hope for changing patterns but the longer we go on the worse. If we get into mid June and this pattern continues we are in deep trouble. If we get into July with this pattern then we are "finished" for the year! Martin -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of S G Sent: Monday, 23 April 2001 09:27 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Patrick, It may be a bit too early to start worrying about the possibility of drought conditions developing. Here in Adelaide though we have not even had half our monthly rainfall, compared with an almost doubled or doubled rainfall total last month. All this considering areas of SA including Adelaide were forecast to have higher chances of above average rainfall over April and May. Interesting how totals are above average when there is less than a 50% forecast and below average when there's more than 60% forecasted possibility. However I do note that BOM's long-term climate forecasting has a VERY POOR success rate for areas like SA, as BOM always says, it has higher skills for eastern and northern Australia. Anyway I hope May brings significant rains for SA or else maybe we should start worrying about heading into a drought or dry conditoons. I have a feeling it will get wetter soon, that's more a hope than a feeling. By the way I get REALLY sick of weather presenters especially on one channel (I won't name), saying "it was cold today but at least we didn't have rain". A weather presenter should be open minded and point out that we actually are way below our average rainfall total here in Adelaide at the moment and maybe everyone out there should start doing a rain dance:) I much prefer it to be cold for a purpose, RAIN, than just cold. Anyway enough winging from me, hope it gets wet here soon or there will be a lot more winging. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "DroughtMaster" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:03:44 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com nothing registered here in mandurah tho there was some distinctive blats on the tin roof............luv that sound didnt see any lightning here tho damn was up till 2 am too...! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob" To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April > > Perth got its first rainfall for the month last night, there was > thunderstorms about the city, but most of the rainfall missed the official > gauge at Mt Lawley, but it still managed to pick up 1.4mm, the average for > April is 46mm. > > Jacob > > At 09:26 PM 23/04/01 +0930, you wrote: > >Patrick, > > > >It may be a bit too early to start worrying about the possibility of drought > >conditions developing. Here in Adelaide though we have not even had half > >our monthly rainfall, compared with an almost doubled or doubled rainfall > >total last month. All this considering areas of SA including Adelaide were > >forecast to have higher chances of above average rainfall over April and > >May. Interesting how totals are above average when there is less than a 50% > >forecast and below average when there's more than 60% forecasted > >possibility. However I do note that BOM's long-term climate forecasting has > >a VERY POOR success rate for areas like SA, as BOM always says, it has > >higher skills for eastern and northern Australia. Anyway I hope May brings > >significant rains for SA or else maybe we should start worrying about > >heading into a drought or dry conditoons. I have a feeling it will get > >wetter soon, that's more a hope than a feeling. By the way I get REALLY > >sick of weather presenters especially on one channel (I won't name), saying > >"it was cold today but at least we didn't have rain". A weather presenter > >should be open minded and point out that we actually are way below our > >average rainfall total here in Adelaide at the moment and maybe everyone out > >there should start doing a rain dance:) I much prefer it to be cold for a > >purpose, RAIN, than just cold. Anyway enough winging from me, hope it gets > >wet here soon or there will be a lot more winging. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:59:37 -0400 From: David Hart To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: administrivia: Forwarding problem X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by europe.std.com id KAA16919 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Is someone forwarding the list to a mobile phone? -dkh- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:13:16 +0200 From: "[ISO-8859-2] Svìtlana Medvídová" To: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Subject: Please, dont send your messages to my number +420602311689 It is a wrong number. Please, dont send your messages to my number +420602311689 It is a wrong number. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Karratha Weather" To: Subject: aus-wx: Ex-TC Alistair heading towards the WA Coast Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:47:16 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all...
 
Well after passing around the NW Cape of WA well offshore Alistair weakened into an Ex-TC early on Sunday due to very high windshear.  During the passed 24-48hrs it moved on a S'ly track...but tonight it has started moving on an E'ly track at 14kn towards the Carnarvon Area on the Gascoyne coast.  BoM expect it to be near the coast in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

Only ended up with 0.5mm from Alistair as he passed well to the north, very disappointing considering some of the models were going for some nice rain on Fri/Sat :(
Looks like that will be my grand total for the month of April too...... :/


http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_thumbs/20010423.0331.gms-5.vis.x.ALISTAIR.20S.jpg <=== nice vis pic earlier today showing the LLCC still clearly evident
 
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
 
PRIORITY
 
STRONG WIND WARNING
for coastal waters between Point Cloates and Carnarvon.
Issued at 10:25 pm WST on Monday, 23 April 2001
 
IMPORTANT INFORMATION
*  Wind speed refers to the average speed over a 10-minute period. Gusts may be
up to 40 per cent stronger than the average speed.
*  Wave and swell heights refer to 'significant wave heights' representing the
average of the highest one third of the waves. The likely maximum wave height
can be up to twice the significant wave height.
 
Situation at 10pm: A low, formerly Ex-tropical cyclone Alistair was situated 70
nm west of Cape Cuvier and moving east at 14 knots. It is expected to move
towards the coast and be near Cape Cuvier at 3am this morning.
 
Expect NE/NW winds to increase to 20/33 knots with seas rising to 2.5m and a 2m
swell. Following the passage of the low winds will shift S/SE 20/30 knots in
offshore waters.
 
Regards
 
JJ
 
Karratha WA
ICQ 6187498
 
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:59:51 -0600 From: Lyle Pakula Organization: Colorado State University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi. > > This last point raises a few questions. I know that at the time of the > reports the guys at the BoM would be able to see that there are no Cb's in > the given area so you would expect them to assume it to be a landspout/land > funnel. Are land funnels considered less likely to touch down than funnels > spawned from a thunderstorm (whether it is a supercell or not)? Are I maybe wrong but, by defintion, don't landspouts have to be in contact with the ground for them to be termed loundspouts? Cheers, Lyle +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Apparently-From: From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: aus-wx: More Vic Rain Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:54:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It just keeps on going. Overnight another rainband has moved up over the metro area with totals since 9am yesterday approaching 50mm in some suburbs (Kilmore Gap, sitting on 86.8mm). It appears that a new low centre or trough has formed just to the SE of Melbourne, winds have turned northerly to the east of melb and over Western Port, while over most of the metro area strong SW winds are blowing. Pressures are also much lower than last night. Seems the main area of rain will concentrate on the east Central district, Gippsland today, with heavy falls still possible. Geelong has now effectively been blocked off from Melbourne with all direct routes now flooded and closed, the only way to get there is via Ballarat!!! Numerous flooded roads throughout the rest of the metro area, going to be a slow trip to work. Victoria Tuesday: Rain with local heavy falls in central areas and parts of West Gippsland slowly easing during the day. Showers and drizzle in remaining southern and mountain areas but only isolated showers in the northwest. Cool to mild and mostly cloudy with moderate to fresh southwesterly winds over the western half, extending east to replace northerlies there during the day. AMD OVERVIEW: COMPLEX LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM NEAR 39S146E AND 39S149E WITH TROUGH 149E. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH AND LOWS. RAIN/SCATTERED SHOWERS/DRIZZLE SE OF DENILIQUIN/NHILL/WARRNAMBOOL, HEAVY AT TIMES IN SOUTHERN AREAS. ISOLATED SHOWERS ELSEWHERE. LOW CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION AND ABOUT SEA/WINDWARD RANGES. FOG PATCHES LAND WITHIN 60NM OF DIVIDING RANGE AND SOUTH OF RANGES. CLOUD: ISOL CB 3000/32000 WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH/LOW. BKN ST 0500/2000 SEA/WINDWARD COAST/RANGES, AND IN RA/TSRA/DZ, BKN 1000/2000 IN SHRA. BKN CU/SC 2000/10000. SCT CU TOPS TO 15000 IN E. BKN ACAS ABV 10000, SCT IN W. Just loaded up a sat pic loop, possibility of that chunky cloudband to the SE of Vic been drawn up over Vic. Nick Sykes _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:56:29 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Lyle, Yes they do - but I believe that Macca was talking about the possibility of land funnels touching down to be landspouts... AC Lyle Pakula wrote: > > Hi. > > > > > > > This last point raises a few questions. I know that at the time of the > > reports the guys at the BoM would be able to see that there are no Cb's in > > the given area so you would expect them to assume it to be a landspout/land > > funnel. Are land funnels considered less likely to touch down than funnels > > spawned from a thunderstorm (whether it is a supercell or not)? Are > > I maybe wrong but, by defintion, don't landspouts have to be in contact with > the ground for them to be termed loundspouts? > > Cheers, Lyle > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Vic Rain Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:05:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Nick & all, After missing quite a bit of the early rain, I have been steadily gathering mm over the past 24 hours to 7:30am this morning. My total was 65mm!! (of which 38mm fell overnight) Add this to the other falls before yesterday morning and BOO! there is 100mm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Balook in West Gippsland could now potntially crack 500mm with this renewed surge of rain. Bring it on! Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Sykes To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:54 AM Subject: aus-wx: More Vic Rain > It just keeps on going. > > Overnight another rainband has moved up over the metro area with totals > since 9am yesterday approaching 50mm in some suburbs (Kilmore Gap, sitting > on 86.8mm). It appears that a new low centre or trough has formed just to > the SE of Melbourne, winds have turned northerly to the east of melb and > over Western Port, while over most of the metro area strong SW winds are > blowing. Pressures are also much lower than last night. Seems the main area > of rain will concentrate on the east Central district, Gippsland today, with > heavy falls still possible. > > > Geelong has now effectively been blocked off from Melbourne with all direct > routes now flooded and closed, the only way to get there is via Ballarat!!! > Numerous flooded roads throughout the rest of the metro area, going to be a > slow trip to work. > > > Victoria > Tuesday: Rain with local heavy falls in central areas and parts of West > Gippsland slowly easing during the day. Showers and drizzle in remaining > southern and mountain areas but only isolated showers in the northwest. > Cool to > mild and mostly cloudy with moderate to fresh southwesterly winds over the > western half, extending east to replace northerlies there during the day. > > > > AMD OVERVIEW: > COMPLEX LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM NEAR 39S146E AND 39S149E WITH TROUGH > 149E. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH AND LOWS. > RAIN/SCATTERED SHOWERS/DRIZZLE SE OF DENILIQUIN/NHILL/WARRNAMBOOL, > HEAVY AT TIMES IN SOUTHERN AREAS. ISOLATED SHOWERS ELSEWHERE. LOW > CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION AND ABOUT SEA/WINDWARD RANGES. FOG PATCHES > LAND WITHIN 60NM OF DIVIDING RANGE AND SOUTH OF RANGES. > > CLOUD: > ISOL CB 3000/32000 WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH/LOW. BKN ST 0500/2000 > SEA/WINDWARD COAST/RANGES, AND IN RA/TSRA/DZ, BKN 1000/2000 IN SHRA. > BKN CU/SC 2000/10000. SCT CU TOPS TO 15000 IN E. BKN ACAS ABV 10000, > SCT IN W. > > Just loaded up a sat pic loop, possibility of that chunky cloudband to the > SE of Vic been drawn up over Vic. > > Nick Sykes > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Adam Mayo" To: "Australian Severe Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: TODAY SHOW INTERVIEW Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:02:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Great Interview Jimmy, Hope that they paid you to use your footage!!!!!!! Judy, Frank, Adam and Maree Mayo. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Former Alistair. Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:36:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 00:36:44.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[A34425E0:01C0CC56] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. The former and long lived Tc Alistair has finally crossed the coast near Shark Bay and a small extra tropical circulation can still be seen, interesting to see a moderate sized baroclinic cloud zone(from former Tc Alistair) spreading southeast and mixing with a mid latitude system,this area of cloud may spread towards southeast SA and Vic over the next two days.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p12-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.12] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:43:37 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Interview done Today Show Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, The interview did go ahead as planned so those in WA can still get a chance to view it - it should go on at 8:45am. I am out. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Geelong Weather Services" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Rain Geelong-Otways Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:31:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The rain has now stopped but overcast conditions remain. Light SW breeze. Some totals for the rain event of the century (4 days to 9am 24th): Geelong Urban Area 170 mm, Apollo Bay 81, Forrest 177, Anglesea 163, Aireys Inlet 205, Weeaproinah 216, Mt Cowley 402, and Mt Sabine 477!! Many records broken, (eg, April total, daily total, 4-day total) details in Geelong Weather Services April summary (archive) in a few days. Barwon River to peak around 3-4pm today at Geelong at 3.6 metres. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: "Aussie Weather List List" Subject: aus-wx: Archived Wx Charts For Lattest Vic Rainfall Event Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:01:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, I was wondering if anyone has or knows of any place to source some data for this lattest rainfall event in Victoria (except MSLP)? It would be much appreciated! Thanks, Lyle | - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - | | Graduate Research Assistant /\ . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ . Colorado State University / \/ \ ph: +1-(970)-491-7785 / /~~~~~~\/\ . email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu /~~/ / \ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:25:03 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aus-wx: guess who has a digital!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all, just got home with my new sony digital video camera its the dcrtrv320 model, they just got cheaper cos there is a replacement model which is more compact. i picked this one up for $1675. so if you've been meaning to get one, get one now b4 they're all gone. they were originally about the 2000 dollar mark a few months back. now i can get back to posting realtime images through my webcam, IN COLOUR!! and WITH ZOOM!!! final thing i gott ado is gte this baby insured incase it gets flogged like my last one cyas looking forward to bringing crisp pictures to yas Steve Baynham http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.au.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: aus-wx: Victorian Road Closures Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:39:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com VicRoads latest Road Closure Alert (7.19am) Princes Freeway in-bound to Melbourne has been closed at Geelong. Detour is via Midland Highway to Ballarat. Princes Freeway out-bound to Geelong has been closed at Hoppers Crossing. Detour is on the Western Highway to Ballarat, then onto Midland Highway back into Geelong. Geelong-Ballan road has been closed at Anakie. South Gippsland Hwy has been closed at Alberton. There is a signed detour in place. Stud rd at Sheppard Drive in Scoresby has one lane open for Southbound Traffic , due to water over road. Jane PS: Macca - I'm up to 98.9mm from this event too!! -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:41:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com from a rain sodden Melbourne, although the eastern parts have had nothing like the falls that have flooded highways to the west & southeast....it's started to rain again (3.5mm this morning on top of the last 99mm) We've talked about the ideal place to live, but what about where you wouldn't live (in Australia) ....... My vote would be as follows: 5. Darwin (from May to September) - looking at occasional cirrus with a wind change at 10am & 2pm daily just isn't my cup of tea 4. Wollongong - stratocu **all** year round? 3. Cooma - ok for its proximity to the Alps, but it takes ages to get anywhere else 2. Adelaide - bit too Mediterranean 1. Thargomindah - the end of the road (almost literally), how many reasons would you like? (sorry Bill, not picking on you - again) Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Adam Mayo" To: "Australian Severe Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: Dry April Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:26:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy, I am not saying that I am an "old timer" but I can remember many Anzac Days when we had to walk to Doonside Station to catch a train to Sydney for the march in the freezing cold of a lovely white frosty morning. Even when we first came to Mona Vale our deciduous tree had nice coloured leaves but for the past 3 years it has been a bit of a non event. This year right now it is still nice and green although starting to show some signs of losing leaves. On some of those Anzac Days there was even heavy fog which I can remember hanging around the city buildings until around 11 am. Our water pipe used to freeze up regularly in winter even though it was heavily wrapped in whatever my Dad used in those days. Also the animals drinking water would be frequently iced over. The grass would be so frozen that it would literally break if we walked on it, of course us kids used to delight in that and also breaking the ice on puddles on the road. I often wonder if the frost doesn't settle as well through those suburbs now, due to the thousands of homes all with heaters and wood fires warming up the immediate area around them. Judy Mayo. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:18:07 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: RE: aus-wx: Dry April Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >SG, > I hate to be a pessimist here but the National Climate Centres prediction >for May to July is for a very strong chance of dry conditions over much of >SE Australia and SE SA during this period as well as above average >temperatures, in other words another mild dry winter. Can you believe this? >The most disappointing aspect of this forecast is that last month they were >predicting an increase number of NW cloud bands and higher rainfall. That >aside the signs are worrying despite the recent deluge in Southern Victoria. >All of April has been dominated by large and strong slow moving high >pressure systems. Fronts have been either very weak or non existant. There >have been virtually no NW cloud bands and the current weather map looks >nothing like a Winter pattern. I really hope my pessimism is unfounded. The >only saving grace is that Autumn is a period when changes can occur. There >is still hope for changing patterns but the longer we go on the worse. If we >get into mid June and this pattern continues we are in deep trouble. If we >get into July with this pattern then we are "finished" for the year! > >Martin Hi Martin! Yes, I've noticed the rapid change in forecasts. To me that suggests the models are giving weak or conflicting signals. That also means that If they've changed their tune once, they might do so again! I wouldn't put down the glasses just yet..... Phil +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:05:51 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Patrick, > >It may be a bit too early to start worrying about the possibility of drought >conditions developing. Here in Adelaide though we have not even had half >our monthly rainfall, compared with an almost doubled or doubled rainfall >total last month. All this considering areas of SA including Adelaide were >forecast to have higher chances of above average rainfall over April and >May. Interesting how totals are above average when there is less than a 50% >forecast and below average when there's more than 60% forecasted >possibility. However I do note that BOM's long-term climate forecasting has >a VERY POOR success rate for areas like SA, as BOM always says, it has >higher skills for eastern and northern Australia. SG I'm no expert here, but the Adelaide area climate is I think only fairly weakly affected by ENSO, at least less so than places like SE Queensland. Equally important are long wave circulations in the Southern Ocean and temperature anomalies in the Indian Ocean that determine in part the frequency and strength of the NW cloudbands that are so important for decent winter rainfall here. I think the the bureau has only just started to really get a handle on this Indian Ocean input. I imagine trying to combine the effects of at least 3 atmospheric/ocean phenomena presumably running on semi independent cyles must be a nightmare. However, I'd like to think that the BoM will eventually be able to release a SOI-like forecast for SA and Western Vic in the not too distant future... Phil +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:46:24 -0700 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: TODAY SHOW INTERVIEW Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I rang Jimmy straight after interview.. I too thought was brilliant. As Jimmy said some great footage was used with a great editing team. Well Done. Dave Bathurst Adam Mayo wrote: > > Great Interview Jimmy, Hope that they paid you to use your footage!!!!!!! > > Judy, Frank, Adam and Maree Mayo. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rainfall Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:17:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 00:17:14.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9F58EF0:01C0CC53] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie. All up I received 147mm over the rain event period, under normal rainfall conditions here I should be amazed at this amount,however after seeing the event totals for the surrounding region, i.e. Mt Cowley near Lorne ...471mm, and many other places between 200 and 300mm my total looks like a Wollongong drizzle, and speaking of drizzle I measured about 12mm over 4 hours during this rain total coming as a solid drizzle and visibility down to 300meters at times I loved it ,I think i will move to Wollongong , I don't know what Michael T is complaining about.The frogs are jumping everywhere down here mostly small brown ones,interestingly they were croaking like mad on Friday one day before all the rain started!!.regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussie To: weather list Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: aus-wx: Rainfall > After seeing some of the rainfall you people have had south of the ranges > it's pretty awesome. My claim to fame over the 3 days is a whole 13.4mm and > losing power twice last night disrupting all the local business's to 10am > this morning. Hey Clyve, got your floaties on? > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p12-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.12] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:54:53 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: TODAY SHOW INTERVIEW Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Judy, Thanks for the kind comments. They did not pay a cent. But that was not my intention regardless. I was hoping to use the opportunity to do a plug for ASWA and also to promote storm chasing in a more positive light. But I failed to turn Steve around with regards to ASWA and perhaps had some success in maintaining the safety stance with regards to storm chasing - oh well best luck next time. I am sure he wanted to promote me as a yahoo twister type of storm chaser. Jimmy Deguara At 09:02 AM 24/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Great Interview Jimmy, Hope that they paid you to use your footage!!!!!!! > >Judy, Frank, Adam and Maree Mayo. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.4] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Snow in Sydney Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:17:54 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 01:17:55.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[63E05E40:01C0CC5C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, this message was posted in the http://www.ski.com.au weather discussion forum this morning (by "theantman"). I thought its content would be of interest to a number of members of this list. Patrick ....................................... I found this interesting document produced by Mike De Salis, for the Bureau of Meteorology detailing reports of snowfalls in the sydney Metro area. I have reproduced it for the weather forum. The first reporting of snow ever in Sydney was on the 28 June 1836. The report goes as follows. On the night of the 27th June it was raining heavily and by 7 am on the 28th of June it was snowing heavily with one inch of snow on the ground,the outside temperature was 32'F. Snow lay on the ground for about an hour. Snow again fell on Sydney on the 3rd and 5th of July 1836 but in less abundance. The next reporting of snow in Sydney was in 1879 on the 30th of June with snow falling for five minutes between 9am and 930am, this was the first reported sighting of snow in Sydney since 1836. 1896, 25th Sept - Snow reported to have fallen in Sydney at 12:30pm but dissolved almost as quickly as it fell. 1899, 10th June - Light fall of snow reported in Sydney at 11:15am 1902, 12th Aug - Light fall of snow reported at Newtown. 1905, 6th Sept - Few snow flakes seen falling in various parts of Sydney 1919, 8th Sept - Light snow reported at Strathfield 1929, 28th July - Snowflakes observed in Manly 1937, June - Snowflakes in Eastern Suburbs of Sydney 1948, 17th July - Fine flakes observed seen in several suburbs and in the CBD 1951, 20th June - Snowflakes in Pymble and Northern Suburbs 1961, 4th May - Snowflakes not reaching ground reported from high city buildings. 1962, 21th Aug - Unauthenticated reports of sleet and very fine snowflakes from city and suburbs - 3pm temperature was 44.1'F 1965, 17th July - Reports of snow at Hornsby, Mt Kuringai and Mt Colah 1975, 12th June - Snow and sleet reported from Lindfield at 10:30am. The last ever official reporting of snow in Sydney was on 25th July 1986 when melting snow flakes were reported at Sydney airport, Bankstown airport and around Engadine in the southern suburbs. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Vic Rain Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:42:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just an aside. I would personally like to thank and congratulate Nick Sykes. What for you may ask? Late Thursday evening in him email, Nick gave us his rundown of the models, and his interpretation and forecast like he regularly does. He mentioned that this system is one to watch and there would be widespread heavy rainfalls in southern VICand SE NSW continuing into Tuesday. Now i know it doesn't take much to load up the models and partake in this now richly debated and much mulled ritual, but to write it up and regularly take a punt about what all the models are saying at once is a sizeable feat, as those who do it regularly would know. I would especially like to thank Nick for his regularly contributions to list of these sorts which give those who don't really delve into the model aspect of forcasting a fantastic idea of whats going on especially outside of their immediate weather conext and environment. Congrats on getting this one right and along with Mr Birthday boy himself (or was it a glorifed aswa meeting? no that started the following morning, or did it really end? ; ) Andrew 'macca' McDonald, Jane, and Clyve for keeping the rest of us informed with rain totals and synoptic situations in the past 5 days. Thanks and Congrats once more. dann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Sykes" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:54 AM Subject: aus-wx: More Vic Rain > It just keeps on going. > > Overnight another rainband has moved up over the metro area with totals > since 9am yesterday approaching 50mm in some suburbs (Kilmore Gap, sitting > on 86.8mm). It appears that a new low centre or trough has formed just to > the SE of Melbourne, winds have turned northerly to the east of melb and > over Western Port, while over most of the metro area strong SW winds are > blowing. Pressures are also much lower than last night. Seems the main area > of rain will concentrate on the east Central district, Gippsland today, with > heavy falls still possible. > > > Geelong has now effectively been blocked off from Melbourne with all direct > routes now flooded and closed, the only way to get there is via Ballarat!!! > Numerous flooded roads throughout the rest of the metro area, going to be a > slow trip to work. > > > Victoria > Tuesday: Rain with local heavy falls in central areas and parts of West > Gippsland slowly easing during the day. Showers and drizzle in remaining > southern and mountain areas but only isolated showers in the northwest. > Cool to > mild and mostly cloudy with moderate to fresh southwesterly winds over the > western half, extending east to replace northerlies there during the day. > > > > AMD OVERVIEW: > COMPLEX LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM NEAR 39S146E AND 39S149E WITH TROUGH > 149E. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH AND LOWS. > RAIN/SCATTERED SHOWERS/DRIZZLE SE OF DENILIQUIN/NHILL/WARRNAMBOOL, > HEAVY AT TIMES IN SOUTHERN AREAS. ISOLATED SHOWERS ELSEWHERE. LOW > CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION AND ABOUT SEA/WINDWARD RANGES. FOG PATCHES > LAND WITHIN 60NM OF DIVIDING RANGE AND SOUTH OF RANGES. > > CLOUD: > ISOL CB 3000/32000 WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH/LOW. BKN ST 0500/2000 > SEA/WINDWARD COAST/RANGES, AND IN RA/TSRA/DZ, BKN 1000/2000 IN SHRA. > BKN CU/SC 2000/10000. SCT CU TOPS TO 15000 IN E. BKN ACAS ABV 10000, > SCT IN W. > > Just loaded up a sat pic loop, possibility of that chunky cloudband to the > SE of Vic been drawn up over Vic. > > Nick Sykes > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Karratha Weather" To: Subject: aus-wx: Ex-TC Alistair makes landfall north of Carnarvon WA Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:15:43 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Ex- TC Alistair made landfall finally on the Gascoyne Coast early this morning producing gale force winds in the Carnarvon area with gusts to 89km/h and 24mm of rain.  Unfortunately radar was down for the entire event *$&*() at &$*()!& at $( :(
 
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WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
 
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SEVERE WIND WARNING
Issued at 8:00 am WST on Tuesday, 24 April 2001
 
For inland parts of the Northwest Gascoyne, in areas north of Errabiddy.
 
A low moving through the area is expected to cause wind gusts to 90 kilometres
per hour during the morning. The low and associated winds are expected to weaken
this afternoon.
 
Damaging gusts to 89 kilometres per hour have been reported from Carnarvon.
 
The State Emergency Service advises that people should secure loose objects and
stay indoors when gales develop.
 
No further advice will be issued unless the low maintains its current intensity.
 
Regards
 
JJ
 
From a VERY humid Karratha WA Currently 29/23 at 9am
ICQ 6187498
 
X-Originating-IP: [203.36.248.19] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Vic Rain Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:55:20 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2001 23:55:20.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAA636F0:01C0CC50] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, ...yet another 0.5 mm. overnight to bring the grand total for last three days to 8 mm!!! Time to build an ARK! ...seriously...very dry here the last two months. Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: "McDonald" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Vic Rain >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:05:01 +1000 > >Nick & all, > >After missing quite a bit of the early rain, I have been steadily gathering >mm over the past 24 hours to 7:30am this morning. My total was 65mm!! (of >which 38mm fell overnight) Add this to the other falls before yesterday >morning and BOO! there is 100mm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Balook in West Gippsland could now potntially crack 500mm with this renewed >surge of rain. > >Bring it on! > >Macca > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nick Sykes >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:54 AM >Subject: aus-wx: More Vic Rain > > > > It just keeps on going. > > > > Overnight another rainband has moved up over the metro area with totals > > since 9am yesterday approaching 50mm in some suburbs (Kilmore Gap, >sitting > > on 86.8mm). It appears that a new low centre or trough has formed just >to > > the SE of Melbourne, winds have turned northerly to the east of melb and > > over Western Port, while over most of the metro area strong SW winds are > > blowing. Pressures are also much lower than last night. Seems the main >area > > of rain will concentrate on the east Central district, Gippsland today, >with > > heavy falls still possible. > > > > > > Geelong has now effectively been blocked off from Melbourne with all >direct > > routes now flooded and closed, the only way to get there is via >Ballarat!!! > > Numerous flooded roads throughout the rest of the metro area, going to >be >a > > slow trip to work. > > > > > > Victoria > > Tuesday: Rain with local heavy falls in central areas and parts of >West > > Gippsland slowly easing during the day. Showers and drizzle in remaining > > southern and mountain areas but only isolated showers in the northwest. > > Cool to > > mild and mostly cloudy with moderate to fresh southwesterly winds over >the > > western half, extending east to replace northerlies there during the >day. > > > > > > > > AMD OVERVIEW: > > COMPLEX LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM NEAR 39S146E AND 39S149E WITH TROUGH > > 149E. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH AND LOWS. > > RAIN/SCATTERED SHOWERS/DRIZZLE SE OF >DENILIQUIN/NHILL/WARRNAMBOOL, > > HEAVY AT TIMES IN SOUTHERN AREAS. ISOLATED SHOWERS ELSEWHERE. >LOW > > CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION AND ABOUT SEA/WINDWARD RANGES. FOG >PATCHES > > LAND WITHIN 60NM OF DIVIDING RANGE AND SOUTH OF RANGES. > > > > CLOUD: > > ISOL CB 3000/32000 WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH/LOW. BKN ST 0500/2000 > > SEA/WINDWARD COAST/RANGES, AND IN RA/TSRA/DZ, BKN 1000/2000 IN >SHRA. > > BKN CU/SC 2000/10000. SCT CU TOPS TO 15000 IN E. BKN ACAS ABV >10000, > > SCT IN W. > > > > Just loaded up a sat pic loop, possibility of that chunky cloudband to >the > > SE of Vic been drawn up over Vic. > > > > Nick Sykes > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Dry April...boring winter? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:00:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, It's only my humble opinion but there are so many contributing factors and variables that make up a "good" winter. That's one of the things that excites me. The models, SOI, SST's can point to one thing but then mother nature can contradict them and bring on a surprise, it happens all the time. Every season brings with it considered predictions etc and of course they have validity but there's always something exciting around the corner. Always. Each year I've been here, winter brings a surprise of sorts, so here's hoping it will again. Well, I'm trying to be positive, anyway. The glass can be "half-full", too. :) Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au Blackheath Weather: http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Davey" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:11 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Dry April > SG, > I hate to be a pessimist here but the National Climate Centres prediction > for May to July is for a very strong chance of dry conditions over much of > SE Australia and SE SA during this period as well as above average > temperatures, in other words another mild dry winter. Can you believe this? > The most disappointing aspect of this forecast is that last month they were > predicting an increase number of NW cloud bands and higher rainfall. That > aside the signs are worrying despite the recent deluge in Southern Victoria. > All of April has been dominated by large and strong slow moving high > pressure systems. Fronts have been either very weak or non existant. There > have been virtually no NW cloud bands and the current weather map looks > nothing like a Winter pattern. I really hope my pessimism is unfounded. The > only saving grace is that Autumn is a period when changes can occur. There > is still hope for changing patterns but the longer we go on the worse. If we > get into mid June and this pattern continues we are in deep trouble. If we > get into July with this pattern then we are "finished" for the year! > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of S G > Sent: Monday, 23 April 2001 09:27 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April > > > Patrick, > > It may be a bit too early to start worrying about the possibility of drought > conditions developing. Here in Adelaide though we have not even had half > our monthly rainfall, compared with an almost doubled or doubled rainfall > total last month. All this considering areas of SA including Adelaide were > forecast to have higher chances of above average rainfall over April and > May. Interesting how totals are above average when there is less than a 50% > forecast and below average when there's more than 60% forecasted > possibility. However I do note that BOM's long-term climate forecasting has > a VERY POOR success rate for areas like SA, as BOM always says, it has > higher skills for eastern and northern Australia. Anyway I hope May brings > significant rains for SA or else maybe we should start worrying about > heading into a drought or dry conditoons. I have a feeling it will get > wetter soon, that's more a hope than a feeling. By the way I get REALLY > sick of weather presenters especially on one channel (I won't name), saying > "it was cold today but at least we didn't have rain". A weather presenter > should be open minded and point out that we actually are way below our > average rainfall total here in Adelaide at the moment and maybe everyone out > there should start doing a rain dance:) I much prefer it to be cold for a > purpose, RAIN, than just cold. Anyway enough winging from me, hope it gets > wet here soon or there will be a lot more winging. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:17:42 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Macca and all, I hope this email doesn't get too long, I'll try and keep it as short as possible :) I personally don't believe this was a supercell either...although it's not the main topic in question here - I personally believe that "supercells" (ie the presence of a mesocyclone), is not confined to just thunderstorms with anvils, rather, something as benign as a coastal shower can also house a mesocyclone. An example would be looking at Melbourne's "Cold air CB's" and Brisbane's "Coastal showers" - both are probably around the same height (15,000-20,000ft), yet both also occur in similar (but not analagous) conditions - for example, Melbourne requires a strong SW'ly stream and the convergence on the coast, the relatively warm SST's (compared to the air) to provide lapse rates), strong low level shear (often with strong mid-upper level shear), and the presence of a strong upper level low/trough. Brisbane requires SE'lies, convergence on the coast and the presence of an upper level trough. However low level shear is frequently strong (not unusual to see 850mb winds at 40kn), and strong mid-upper level shear. However they rarely produce anvils in Brisbane because the freezing/glaciating level is not low enough, where as in Melbourne the freezing level can be extremely low (<5000-6000ft). Melbourne is not unknown to get "cold air supercells" (a term I dislike, but will come to this later), that produce funnels/waterspouts and Brisbane is not unknown to get "coastal showers" that produce funnels/waterspouts too. No they don't have to be supercellular to do so...but I'm fairly confident that in both cases that mesocyclones can and do exist. The observations you have made are interesting...but before I go onto that, I'm going to give an opinionative answer to the main question here of why the BoM don't warn for landspouts (or potential landspouts when funnels occur) - (and don't seem to know when they are going to occur). That is that the current understanding of the structure of funnels/tornadoes and mesocyclones is probably incorrect. I am of personal belief that funnels/tornadoes are extensions of vorticity in convective clouds, and I don't believe the current supercell model indicates this very well. The current "accepted" supercell model suggests that you require good low level shear, overshot by a stronger jet above that in the same direction. This then creates horizontal vorticity (similar to that of rolling a rolling pin by pushing it with your hand on top). Once this horziontal tube of vorticity has been formed, an updraft may push upwards into it, therefore pushing through the middle of the horizontal tube and then through that you'd have two counter-rotating vorticies in the vertical direction. The cyclonic rotation is then most likely enhanced by any backing (or veering in the Northern Hemisphere) of wind shear, and the anti-cyclonic rotation would be destroyed or weakened. I find this supercell model too strict in its formation, ie, too many tubes, too structured, and it only explains a small number of supercell/mesocyclonic/funnel/tornado cases. Keeping in mind that (IMO), all of these are extensions of vorticity, they would all occur in a similar way and the same theory could be adopted for all cases. If you look at the list of "ingredients" you gave, many of them are consistent with larger supercellogenesis and tornadogenesis, but not quite that extreme. IE - all the ingredients are there, but not enough of them - and certainly not enough to satisfy the current supercell model. The current supercell model requires a very specific set of conditions, it doesn't explain why we get funnels/mesocyclones in times when we have poor instability, but extremely strong shear and steep lapse rates. Nor does it explain why we get funnels/mesocyclones in times when we have very large instability areas, but with poor shear. A poor analogy to use (but I'll use it), if you bake a cake with half the ingredients, does it mean you won't get a cake? No, it just means the cake will just be half the size! But if you replaced the cup of sugar and cup of salt with 1.5 cups of sugar and 0.5 cups of salt, you'll still get a similar result (although the cake won't taste the same :) What I'm getting at, is that funnels, mesocyclones etc are all a matter of scaling. Tornadoes/funnels/mesos/supercells/landspouts whatever they are, are all (IMO) formed by fundamentally the same process and are a matter of scaling (ie, some are just bigger/stronger than others). And you don't need to have every ingredient there, because other ingredients can help make up for the ingredients that are not present. Last year I jotted down some notes - I was unhappy with the current supercell classifcation scheme of "cold air" and "warm air" because they weren't entirely true. I was also not happy with the current supercell model, and when I looked at socalled "cold air" and "warm air" supercells, I noted a few things. By Australian definitions cold air supercells have generally been termed to be supercells that occur in cold air (these generally occur with very strong shear, and strong lapse rates). But the cold air itself does not so much induce the supercell, and you don't need cold air for that to happen. Only steep lapse rates and high shear. Warm air supercells were considered to be "anything else." But it still doesn't explain everything, and if shear and instability are two big ingredients to at least mesocyclone development, then if we can have "cold air supercells" were high shear is thought to be the primary factor - then surely it should also occur in areas of large instability. IE, if we can get "coldies" (cold air tornadoes), do "warmies" (warm air tornadoes) also exist? The answer would be yes...but the terminology used here isn't indicative of what happens. I broke down supercells into three categories of formation. Convective supercells, shear supercells and combination supercells. All three names indicating the primary source of their vorticity. I was interested in the PV equation, and how it may apply to mesocyclones/funnels. (Lamda + f)/D = PV) Where f is the constant negative value in the Southern Hemisphere for any given latitude, and lamda being the absolute vorticity. If a column of air (D) increases, then lamda must become more negative to compensate, hence more cyclonic in vorticity. If the column of air (D) decreases, then lamda must become more positive to compensate, and we get anti-cyclonic rotation. There are several ways you can stretch a column of air, they include: stretching by shear (convergence & confluence at the surface, and divergence/diffluence aloft), you can also stretch through a rapidly ascending parcel of air, in particular an area of high delta-CAPE per vertical height. IE - as you increase, the atmosphere increasingly gets more unstable, so essentially you have air accelerating faster than the air below it, and that stretches the column of air and enhances any vorticity present. The backing and veering part also plays its role, but further enhancing a column of air that has begun this process. In cases when the backing or veering is so strong, it may not need much other stretching. In cases where the instability is so strong that vorticity becomes enhanced significantly we then see that we don't need other processes as critically as we do normally. Of course, you can have "equal" amounts of these ingredients, or approximately equal amounts (ie, one doesn't really dominate the other), and we then have combination supercells. If you look at this model, then you can apply it to wide variety of situations, to supercells, to tornadoes to funnels etc, that's if you accept/believe that they are related/connected to each other. It would certainly allow for funnels/land spouts to form under rather benign convective clouds, or from raging supercells! But if you look at this, you could also deduct that a "land funnel" (ie, non-supercellular funnel), would probably not be as likely to descend and reach the ground as a supercellular funnel. Similarly since landspouts are normally not as strong as supercellular tornadoes - you would expect funnels to behave in a similar fashion, and if they aren't as strong, one would expect them to have a lesser chance of eventually reaching the ground. I think though, there is a lack of understanding in funnels - possibly because most of the study comes from the US. And to me it seems clear that many events in the US such as landspouts/"cold air funnels" are passed as "normal events" and that little study has gone into other sections. It seems that Australia is "leading" the study into "alternative tornadoes" if you could call it that, in that there are a variety of ways they form. I hope this isn't too boring/long for people...these are just my opinions and a personal conceptual theory. AC McDonald wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm having a little trouble with an event such as this one which Robert saw > near Junee on Saturday. I'm not too sure about this being a supercell for > starters. From the description Robert gave me at the time and as is > displayed in his report, I am under the impretion that the funnels didn't > come from a Cb but from a Cumulus Congestus. It's a diffiucult event to > label as such but I think after seeing events such as this myself and > hearing several reports of these events at other times I think a label may > be necessary for future reference. I'm not great with the term "landspout" > but honestly I think there is no better term for it as yet (if i come up > with one I'll let you know). > > Going by my personal experiences (Nov 11 2000 where Chris Gribben and myself > saw a very similar event take place near Swan Hill in NW Victoria), I have > noted a few similarities between the events. > > - Clearing overnight rain/storms. > - Trough line (convergence zone?) very close to the vicinity of the > funnels. > - Lots of moisture in the low levels and hence a low LCL. > - Limited heating. > - Moderate lapse rates. > - Moderate low level speed shear (not sure of directional shear). > - No glaciation of Congestus. > - No apparent wall cloud. > - There was precipitation falling in the vicinity of the funnel/s and > it/they became engulfed in rain (i was going to type wrapped but i'm not > sure about using that term). (I wonder if the precip plays any part in the > development??) > - The BoM was informed at the time of both events yet no warning was > issued. > > This last point raises a few questions. I know that at the time of the > reports the guys at the BoM would be able to see that there are no Cb's in > the given area so you would expect them to assume it to be a landspout/land > funnel. Are land funnels considered less likely to touch down than funnels > spawned from a thunderstorm (whether it is a supercell or not)? Are > landspouts considered such a small threat to property and lives that no > warning is required? Did the BoM realise that these events were far enough > from populated areas and would be short lived enough to not cause damage? > I'm not having a dig at the BoM here - far from it actually. I'd like to > know if there is a landspout action plan at the BoM and I'm also trying to > promote discussion to see if something should be implemented to deal with > events like this (if the need is there - ie. if these landspouts are strong > enough to cause significant risk to lives and property). I'm not saying > that they should try and forecast these events as that would be impossible. > I just think that perhaps these landspouts events should be looked at a > little more closely. > > >From what I observed near Swan Hill, I would most definitely not call it a > supercell - it developed more from a strongish cumulus congestus. The base > area around the funnel remained fairly flat and due to our distance from > them (there were several funnels) we couldn't make out any rotation at cloud > base. > > Michael Bath and Dave Ellem observed a tornado near their houses in NE NSW > earlier this year some time too which could possibly be of a similar nature. > >From the photos of that, the LCL was relatively low, the storm (it was a Cb > in this case - although MB suggests there was no thunder - intereting) was > low topped for that area and it also showed some, if not all of the > charateristics as mentioned above. > > Anyway - I hope this can promote some discussion regarding the formation of > landspouts (which are tornadoes but probably not formed in the same way as > supercellular tornadoes), the conditions in which they develop and also in > the treatment of them by the BoM. > > Enough on landspouts. > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:09:25 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Judy.... There have been only 5 Anzac mornings ever in Sydney with a minimum below 10 degrees and the last one was in 1944 with a min of 8.5. The "coldest" in recent years was 1992 with a low of 11.5 in the city and 8 at Richmond so it must have been for another event that you walked through the frost at Doonside. The last May frost at Richmond was last year but before that there was not any in 30 years. Frost has never been reported in April there either by an onserver or by a measurement of an air temp under 2 degrees. The coldest Anzac morning in SE Australi was in 1999 when Canberra's low of -3.7 was their lowest ever April temp and Melbourne's min if 4.7 was their cvoldest Anzac morning since theiur record low Anzac temp of 2.7 in 1933. Adam Mayo wrote: > > Jimmy, > > I am not saying that I am an "old timer" but I can remember many Anzac Days > when we had to walk to Doonside Station to catch a train to Sydney for the > march in the freezing cold of a lovely white frosty morning. Even when we > first came to Mona Vale our deciduous tree had nice coloured leaves but for > the past 3 years it has been a bit of a non event. This year right now it > is still nice and green although starting to show some signs of losing > leaves. > > On some of those Anzac Days there was even heavy fog which I can remember > hanging around the city buildings until around 11 am. > > Our water pipe used to freeze up regularly in winter even though it was > heavily wrapped in whatever my Dad used in those days. Also the animals > drinking water would be frequently iced over. The grass would be so frozen > that it would literally break if we walked on it, of course us kids used to > delight in that and also breaking the ice on puddles on the road. > > I often wonder if the frost doesn't settle as well through those suburbs > now, due to the thousands of homes all with heaters and wood fires warming > up the immediate area around them. > > Judy Mayo. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.8.248] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian weather Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:08:54 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 07:08:55.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CA5BCB0:01C0CC8D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Driving a cab a few years ago, in January in Canberra, after a cloud burst, I went to pick up a couple of very disgruntled Queenslanders whose car had come to grief on the wet and slippery road.  They complained about the water on the road and the lack of any sort of warning.  We deduced that roads up north must in general be cambered to remove the water from the surface, whereas down here in Canberra, road design does not necessarily take account the effects of heavy rainfall.  I guess that must be why the BoM issues Road Weather Alerts in the ACT.

>From: "Michael Thompson"
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>To:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian weather
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:44:34 +1000
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>It's funny that you should mention this. On two trips to Melbourne in the
>past I have experienced very heavy rain, although short lived and I did
>notice puddling in the road middle, something that you never get here. On
>both occasions it was the Nepean Hwy
>
>Michael
>
> > No doubt water certainly seems to collect on the roads here more than
>other
> > places. While I guess that the government sees that they don't always
>need
> > the drainage, even light rain had water collecting on the roads, making
> > conditions slippery and also very difficult to see if there was a car in
> > front of you with its spray! Certainly I was surprised at how much water
> > collected there, and am not surprised that people aqua-plane and have
> > accidents - in fact, we saw two cars in Geelong spin out at round-abouts,
> > one hit the kurb!
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X-Originating-IP: [152.91.8.254] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:20:27 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 07:20:27.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[098A1D90:01C0CC8F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

All year round, all world round, that place in the Atacama desert where it's never rained - Arica, I think it's called.

>From: "Jane ONeill"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: "Aussie-wx"
>Subject: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live?
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:41:07 +1000
>
>from a rain sodden Melbourne, although the eastern parts have had
>nothing like the falls that have flooded highways to the west &
>southeast....it's started to rain again (3.5mm this morning on top of
>the last 99mm)
>
>We've talked about the ideal place to live, but what about where you
>wouldn't live (in Australia) .......
>
>My vote would be as follows:
>5. Darwin (from May to September) - looking at occasional cirrus with
>a wind change at 10am & 2pm daily just isn't my cup of tea
>4. Wollongong - stratocu **all** year round?
>3. Cooma - ok for its proximity to the Alps, but it takes ages to get
>anywhere else
>2. Adelaide - bit too Mediterranean
>1. Thargomindah - the end of the road (almost literally), how many
>reasons would you like? (sorry Bill, not picking on you - again)
>
>Jane
>
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X-Originating-IP: [152.91.8.254] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:16:06 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 07:16:06.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DC3BA60:01C0CC8E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com



On the topic of  funnels/landspouts/tornados emerging from relatively innocuous looking clouds, there was a photo of such an event in the BoM calendar from 2 - 3 years back, from memory it was near somewhere called Cleve (or was it Clare?) in South Australia.  And then there was the picture of a tornado over the Tidbinbilla range south of Bonython, in the ACT which Jimmy's site has a link to, I believe.  I think this was early in 1997 or 1996.  From memory both phenomena emerged from relatively benign circumstances.
 
>From: "McDonald"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>Subject: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email)
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:28:55 +1000
>
>Hi all,
>
>I'm having a little trouble with an event such as this one which Robert saw
>near Junee on Saturday. I'm not too sure about this being a supercell for
>starters. From the description Robert gave me at the time and as is
>displayed in his report, I am under the impretion that the funnels didn't
>come from a Cb but from a Cumulus Congestus. It's a diffiucult event to
>label as such but I think after seeing events such as this myself and
>hearing several reports of these events at other times I think a label may
>be necessary for future reference. I'm not great with the term "landspout"
>but honestly I think there is no better term for it as yet (if i come up
>with one I'll let you know).
>
>Going by my personal experiences (Nov 11 2000 where Chris Gribben and myself
>saw a very similar event take place near Swan Hill in NW Victoria), I have
>noted a few similarities between the events.
>
>- Clearing overnight rain/storms.
>- Trough line (convergence zone?) very close to the vicinity of the
>funnels.
>- Lots of moisture in the low levels and hence a low LCL.
>- Limited heating.
>- Moderate lapse rates.
>- Moderate low level speed shear (not sure of directional shear).
>- No glaciation of Congestus.
>- No apparent wall cloud.
>- There was precipitation falling in the vicinity of the funnel/s and
>it/they became engulfed in rain (i was going to type wrapped but i'm not
>sure about using that term). (I wonder if the precip plays any part in the
>development??)
>- The BoM was informed at the time of both events yet no warning was
>issued.
>
>This last point raises a few questions. I know that at the time of the
>reports the guys at the BoM would be able to see that there are no Cb's in
>the given area so you would expect them to assume it to be a landspout/land
>funnel. Are land funnels considered less likely to touch down than funnels
>spawned from a thunderstorm (whether it is a supercell or not)? Are
>landspouts considered such a small threat to property and lives that no
>warning is required? Did the BoM realise that these events were far enough
>from populated areas and would be short lived enough to not cause damage?
>I'm not having a dig at the BoM here - far from it actually. I'd like to
>know if there is a landspout action plan at the BoM and I'm also trying to
>promote discussion to see if something should be implemented to deal with
>events like this (if the need is there - ie. if these landspouts are strong
>enough to cause significant risk to lives and property). I'm not saying
>that they should try and forecast these events as that would be impossible.
>I just think that perhaps these landspouts events should be looked at a
>little more closely.
>
>From what I observed near Swan Hill, I would most definitely not call it a
>supercell - it developed more from a strongish cumulus congestus. The base
>area around the funnel remained fairly flat and due to our distance from
>them (there were several funnels) we couldn't make out any rotation at cloud
>base.
>
>Michael Bath and Dave Ellem observed a tornado near their houses in NE NSW
>earlier this year some time too which could possibly be of a similar nature.
>From the photos of that, the LCL was relatively low, the storm (it was a Cb
>in this case - although MB suggests there was no thunder - intereting) was
>low topped for that area and it also showed some, if not all of the
>charateristics as mentioned above.
>
>Anyway - I hope this can promote some discussion regarding the formation of
>landspouts (which are tornadoes but probably not formed in the same way as
>supercellular tornadoes), the conditions in which they develop and also in
>the treatment of them by the BoM.
>
>Enough on landspouts.
>
>Now for the Vic rainfall.
>
>Just a quick update on the two biggest falls so far........
>
>Balook (30km S of Traralgon in East Central Vic) has haad 395mm from 9am
>Saturday until 7pm Monday night (58hrs) and Mt Sabine in the Otways (in SW
>Vic about 8km N of Lorne) has had 385mm in the same time period. Airey's
>Inlet is approaching 200mm for the event as are several other stations in SW
>and SE Vic.
>
>The Princes Hwy b/w Melbourne and Geelong was re-opened this afternoon to
>both in and out bound traffic but only 1 lane was open both ways so traffic
>was apparently horrendus. I did hear a rumour that the detour route via
>Bacchus Marsh was closed this afternoon to all traffic due to further
>flooding. This comes as no surprise given the amount of water along and
>over that road last night when myself, Anthony Cornelius and my sister were
>returning from our flood chase.
>
>The rain over the SW has eased somewhat in the last few hours but it looks
>like the SE is still getting some more rain. Balook will most likely crack
>400mm sometime this evening and there is a SLIGHT chance that it will reach
>450mm.
>
>Sorry for the long email.
>
>Regards,
>
>Andrew McDonald
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jimmy Deguara
>To:
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:09 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Funnels near Junee in SE NSW
>
>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > That's an excellent chase and excellent result. That proves that this
> > system was one hell of a system. The structure you have there was classic.
> > I am wondering was it a larger "coldie" type of storm (supercell). Just
> > unclear from the photos as to judging the size of the storm.
> >
> > Great report. It is interesting to see that in the last two years with
> > chasing and ASWA that wall clouds and tornadoes have been spotted. This is
> > adds to it. Well done.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> >
> > At 06:53 PM 23/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > >Hi all
> > >
> > >Yep, I'm still excited, and here's my report and pictures on the 2
>funnels
> > >I saw (the first _possibly_ being a tornado!). The page says it all, so
>I
> > >won't repeat anything here
> > >
> > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Apr/chase3.html
> > >
> > >Due to the low contrast of situation, I enhanced the pics a bit, but
> > >the prints are clearer, and with what I saw with my naked eye, there was
> > >no doubt.
> > >
> > >Thanks to Macca and Jane for their updates while out on the field.
> > >
> > >Now I can catch up on those 100+ emails waiting for me!
> > >
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >
> > >On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Just had a phone call from an EXTREMELY excited Robert Goler. Robert
> > > > headed up to Wagga last night and got a nice lightning show and this
> > > > morning was sitting just W of Junee watching some large congesting
> > > > cumulus and hello boys a funnel pops out of the base. The cell was
> > > > precipitating to the S and the funnel appeared from RFB to the N of
>the
> > > > precip. It extended half way to the ground before being enveloped in
> > > > rain. Soon after, a second, smaller funnel appeared from the RFB and
> > > > extended 1/3 of the way to the ground. Last I heard, Robert was
>driving
> > > > (fast) to get himself closer to this cell. Radar at the time shows a
> > > > nice little patch of pink on Wagga Local which appeared out of nothing
> > > > so it's probably a fairly strong cell.
> > > >
> > > > We called the Sydney BoM from here to report it to them (be
>interesting
> > > > to see what happens with this).
> > > >
> > > > I'll keep the updates coming in as they come in here.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Andrew McDonald, Matt Pearce, Matt Smith, Anthony Cornelius.
> > > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Robert A. Goler
> > >
> > >E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
> > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
> > >
> > >Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> > >Monash University
> > >Clayton, Vic 3800
> > >Australia
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >
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> > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
> > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> >
> > Web Page with Michael Bath
> >
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> >
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:12:02 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Or Melbourne but at least if you don't like the wetaher there, wait 5 minutes. don w Jane ONeill wrote: > > from a rain sodden Melbourne, although the eastern parts have had > nothing like the falls that have flooded highways to the west & > southeast....it's started to rain again (3.5mm this morning on top of > the last 99mm) > > We've talked about the ideal place to live, but what about where you > wouldn't live (in Australia) ....... > > My vote would be as follows: > 5. Darwin (from May to September) - looking at occasional cirrus with > a wind change at 10am & 2pm daily just isn't my cup of tea > 4. Wollongong - stratocu **all** year round? > 3. Cooma - ok for its proximity to the Alps, but it takes ages to get > anywhere else > 2. Adelaide - bit too Mediterranean > 1. Thargomindah - the end of the road (almost literally), how many > reasons would you like? (sorry Bill, not picking on you - again) > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p46-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.238] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:08:49 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry April Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Don, Not contradicting what you are saying but the farmers I have spoken to seem to observe frost about once in each April each year or two particularly towards Camden. Temps of about 4C screen temps in dry conditions are sufficient for a light frost particularly if the previous day was reasonably cold allowing the ground temps to cool somewhat. The day would also be reasonably cool. However, we are talking very light frost. As to severe frost, you would have to go more into at least June but perhaps late May can produce the odd reasonable frost. Enough from me. Jimmy Deguara At 05:09 AM 24/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Judy.... >There have been only 5 Anzac mornings ever in Sydney with a minimum >below 10 degrees and the last one was in 1944 with a min of 8.5. The >"coldest" in recent years was 1992 with a low of 11.5 in the city and 8 >at Richmond so it must have been for another event that you walked >through the frost at Doonside. The last May frost at Richmond was last >year but before that there was not any in 30 years. Frost has never been >reported in April there either by an onserver or by a measurement of an >air temp under 2 degrees. >The coldest Anzac morning in SE Australi was in 1999 when Canberra's low >of -3.7 was their lowest ever April temp and Melbourne's min if 4.7 was >their cvoldest Anzac morning since theiur record low Anzac temp of 2.7 >in 1933. > > >Adam Mayo wrote: > > > > Jimmy, > > > > I am not saying that I am an "old timer" but I can remember many Anzac Days > > when we had to walk to Doonside Station to catch a train to Sydney for the > > march in the freezing cold of a lovely white frosty morning. Even when we > > first came to Mona Vale our deciduous tree had nice coloured leaves but for > > the past 3 years it has been a bit of a non event. This year right now it > > is still nice and green although starting to show some signs of losing > > leaves. > > > > On some of those Anzac Days there was even heavy fog which I can remember > > hanging around the city buildings until around 11 am. > > > > Our water pipe used to freeze up regularly in winter even though it was > > heavily wrapped in whatever my Dad used in those days. Also the animals > > drinking water would be frequently iced over. The grass would be so frozen > > that it would literally break if we walked on it, of course us kids used to > > delight in that and also breaking the ice on puddles on the road. > > > > I often wonder if the frost doesn't settle as well through those suburbs > > now, due to the thousands of homes all with heaters and wood fires warming > > up the immediate area around them. > > > > Judy Mayo. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:43:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > 4. Wollongong - stratocu **all** year round? Thanks Jane, we actually had an assortment of alto stratus today. > 3. Cooma - ok for its proximity to the Alps, but it takes ages to get > anywhere else Not to mention that Cooma is rainshadowed from just about every direction. Michael +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:32:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I may have missed some messages, but I do not recall anybody placing the supercell tag on the storm. There is wall cloud for starters, but it is funnel. Michael > near Junee on Saturday. I'm not too sure about this being a supercell for > starters. From the description Robert gave me at the time and as is > displayed in his report, I am under the impretion that the funnels didn't > come from a Cb but from a Cumulus Congestus. It's a diffiucult event to +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rainfall Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:47:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well actually I have not had a fall of super drizzle for a while. We have lacked moist on-shore winds of late. Perhaps Saturday may bring some showers. Michael > at times I loved it ,I think i will move to Wollongong , I don't know what > Michael T is complaining about.The frogs are jumping everywhere down here > mostly small brown ones,interestingly they were croaking like mad on Friday > one day before all the rain started!!.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:52:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I going to proof read my mails in future. Second line should read. There is NO wall cloud............ Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thompson" To: Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2001 19:32 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) > I may have missed some messages, but I do not recall anybody placing the > supercell tag on the storm. > > There is wall cloud for starters, but it is funnel. > > Michael > > > > near Junee on Saturday. I'm not too sure about this being a supercell for > > starters. From the description Robert gave me at the time and as is > > displayed in his report, I am under the impretion that the funnels didn't > > come from a Cb but from a Cumulus Congestus. It's a diffiucult event to > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:47:22 -0700 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Hailstorm stories(True) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A few stories here: ______________________________________________________________________________ This happened to me and a couple of other members of my RFS brigade, when wewere called down to the Sydney hailstorm. We were out patrolling and doorknocking around Double Bay about 10 days after the storm. By then, the worst had been taken care of, and we were only still around as (my opinion only) a political exercise, seeings as it was Bob Carr's electorate that got hammered. We'd been told to doorknock on houses, see if they had any unreported damage, and take details if over 1 storey high. Anyhow, we rock up to this house near the water somewhere, about 5km from the Harbour Bridge in the Double Bay district (not too sure where it was now). This woman answers the door, complete with plum in mouth, and says "I've been calling the fire brigade twice a day for the last week, I have some very serious damage here". We go to have a look, and can't see anything wrong, but that doesn't stop this woman from bitching her heart out. Eventually, my Senior DC got out on the roof and had a look at her triple layered shingles for any that were broken and leaking. Funnily enough, not one. So the woman has this idea that we should go in through the ceiling, and points us in the direction of the manhole. We grab the ladder, but she won't let it touch the walls or carpet. We grab a rug to use, and she says "Not that one, that's a very fine Chinese rug that's worth $2K". OK, we found some rags and set up the ladder. Up it I go, to find the manhole has been painted shut. Now, I made sure I told what I was going to do next, as we were getting sick of this complaining woman by now. I said "There's one way I can get through." The owner said "How?", so I belted the manhole clear and sent it flying. Climb through the ceiling, and can't see any holes in the roof, so I told them. By now, we'd decided we weren't leaving without a little of the hospitality that others had generously provided, such as a drink. So we hung around until she offered us "tea and cake". Her comment when she made the tea was "Now, this is very fine Earl Grey tea this, it's probably got a different taste to what you're used to." True story. _______________________________________________________________________ __ The next happened on the same day. Again doorknocking in that area, but in another street, we came across a little old widow, about 75, who'd bought the house with hubby when they got married before the area took off. Found half her ceiling missing over her kitchen and sunroom, so we patched it up as much as we could with tarps and funnelled the water outside. We asked her if she'd reported it, and her reply was "No, I hadn't, because I didn't want to trouble anyone." +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [139.134.27.67] From: "Luke Garde" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...Rain event Summary Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:20:45 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 10:20:45.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[3959EAA0:01C0CCA8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Well Well Well hi all.

I thought the rain would never stop. From dense Stratus/Nimbostratus to a bluish ski (typical Geelong weather). Yes you guessed it the rain finally stopped here in Clifton Springs (Geelong). I have recorded a very nice total of 169.75mm since Saturday. 21st = .25mm, 22nd = 55mm, 23rd = 60mm, 24th = 51mm.

Kevin Garde (my dad) was the emergency incident coordinator/controller for the City of Greater Geelong. The council started responding to flooding events at 0400 hours AEST Sunday morning. The council has received more than 500 calls for assistance from 0400 hours Sunday to 1800 hours Tuesday the 24th of April.

Main problems was localised flooding, flooding on the Barwon River (of course) and flooding of Hovells creek at Lara landslides, fallen trees, scoured roads, . The council operations centre, worked continuously from 0400 Sunday to 1800 hours today. BOM have advised flood peak will arrive at Geelong early evening tonight.

It is estimated, that the flood peak will take between 24 - 28 hours to reach Barwon Heads. Dad advises that the flood peak will not cause any problem at Barwon Heads or Ocean Grove. Aerial photos were organised today and were taken late afternoon just prior to the peak arriving at Geelong, (will bring to next VIC-ASWA meeting). More than 22 main and local roads were closed with the main roads cleared for opening to traffic by 1200 hours today.

Intermittent pumping operations were required at Lara during the early hours of Tuesday, so as to remove flood waters from the up stream side of levee banks and back onto the down stream side. Dad was making good use of various web sites for weather data, including BOM, Stormchasers, GWS, and their various Links. Recovery operations will commence Thursday the 26th.

I hope to take pictures of the flood waters tomorrow, and also bring to next ASWA meeting.

Thanks for reading

Luke Garde
Clifton Springs
ASWA-VIC


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X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.238] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:40:45 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 10:40:45.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[047AE250:01C0CCAB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, Couldn't agree more! The whole "coldie" vs. "warmie" thning has bugged me for years. If by coldie you mean totally within the bounds of one air mass (or warmie for the same reason) then it seems odd that supercells form at all by conventional mechanisms. Just yesterday I read (admittedly on WX-CHASE) that the KS supercells formed on BOUNDARIES (my capitals) of mainly temperature lines (i.e. at quite low temps for Australian conditions - I think 65/60 F was mentioned) - i.e. frontal I guess. So what is "cold" and what is "warm"? Seems awfully relative. Anyway, the bulk of your missive should perhaps be posted to WX-CHASE and see what happens...(though I can already hear the cries of "WTF would he know being in Australia and a newbie....) :)) :(( Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: Anthony Cornelius >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:17:42 +1000 > >Hi Macca and all, > >I hope this email doesn't get too long, I'll try and keep it as short as >possible :) > >I personally don't believe this was a supercell either...although it's >not the main topic in question here - I personally believe that >"supercells" (ie the presence of a mesocyclone), is not confined to just >thunderstorms with anvils, rather, something as benign as a coastal >shower can also house a mesocyclone. An example would be looking at >Melbourne's "Cold air CB's" and Brisbane's "Coastal showers" - both are >probably around the same height (15,000-20,000ft), yet both also occur >in similar (but not analagous) conditions - for example, Melbourne >requires a strong SW'ly stream and the convergence on the coast, the >relatively warm SST's (compared to the air) to provide lapse rates), >strong low level shear (often with strong mid-upper level shear), and >the presence of a strong upper level low/trough. Brisbane requires >SE'lies, convergence on the coast and the presence of an upper level >trough. However low level shear is frequently strong (not unusual to >see 850mb winds at 40kn), and strong mid-upper level shear. However >they rarely produce anvils in Brisbane because the freezing/glaciating >level is not low enough, where as in Melbourne the freezing level can be >extremely low (<5000-6000ft). Melbourne is not unknown to get "cold air >supercells" (a term I dislike, but will come to this later), that >produce funnels/waterspouts and Brisbane is not unknown to get "coastal >showers" that produce funnels/waterspouts too. No they don't have to be >supercellular to do so...but I'm fairly confident that in both cases >that mesocyclones can and do exist. > >The observations you have made are interesting...but before I go onto >that, I'm going to give an opinionative answer to the main question here >of why the BoM don't warn for landspouts (or potential landspouts when >funnels occur) - (and don't seem to know when they are going to occur). >That is that the current understanding of the structure of >funnels/tornadoes and mesocyclones is probably incorrect. I am of >personal belief that funnels/tornadoes are extensions of vorticity in >convective clouds, and I don't believe the current supercell model >indicates this very well. The current "accepted" supercell model >suggests that you require good low level shear, overshot by a stronger >jet above that in the same direction. This then creates horizontal >vorticity (similar to that of rolling a rolling pin by pushing it with >your hand on top). Once this horziontal tube of vorticity has been >formed, an updraft may push upwards into it, therefore pushing through >the middle of the horizontal tube and then through that you'd have two >counter-rotating vorticies in the vertical direction. The cyclonic >rotation is then most likely enhanced by any backing (or veering in the >Northern Hemisphere) of wind shear, and the anti-cyclonic rotation would >be destroyed or weakened. > >I find this supercell model too strict in its formation, ie, too many >tubes, too structured, and it only explains a small number of >supercell/mesocyclonic/funnel/tornado cases. Keeping in mind that >(IMO), all of these are extensions of vorticity, they would all occur in >a similar way and the same theory could be adopted for all cases. > >If you look at the list of "ingredients" you gave, many of them are >consistent with larger supercellogenesis and tornadogenesis, but not >quite that extreme. IE - all the ingredients are there, but not enough >of them - and certainly not enough to satisfy the current supercell >model. The current supercell model requires a very specific set of >conditions, it doesn't explain why we get funnels/mesocyclones in times >when we have poor instability, but extremely strong shear and steep >lapse rates. Nor does it explain why we get funnels/mesocyclones in >times when we have very large instability areas, but with poor shear. > >A poor analogy to use (but I'll use it), if you bake a cake with half >the ingredients, does it mean you won't get a cake? No, it just means >the cake will just be half the size! But if you replaced the cup of >sugar and cup of salt with 1.5 cups of sugar and 0.5 cups of salt, >you'll still get a similar result (although the cake won't taste the >same :) What I'm getting at, is that funnels, mesocyclones etc are all >a matter of scaling. Tornadoes/funnels/mesos/supercells/landspouts >whatever they are, are all (IMO) formed by fundamentally the same >process and are a matter of scaling (ie, some are just bigger/stronger >than others). And you don't need to have every ingredient there, >because other ingredients can help make up for the ingredients that are >not present. > >Last year I jotted down some notes - I was unhappy with the current >supercell classifcation scheme of "cold air" and "warm air" because they >weren't entirely true. I was also not happy with the current supercell >model, and when I looked at socalled "cold air" and "warm air" >supercells, I noted a few things. > >By Australian definitions cold air supercells have generally been termed >to be supercells that occur in cold air (these generally occur with very >strong shear, and strong lapse rates). But the cold air itself does not >so much induce the supercell, and you don't need cold air for that to >happen. Only steep lapse rates and high shear. Warm air supercells >were considered to be "anything else." But it still doesn't explain >everything, and if shear and instability are two big ingredients to at >least mesocyclone development, then if we can have "cold air supercells" >were high shear is thought to be the primary factor - then surely it >should also occur in areas of large instability. IE, if we can get >"coldies" (cold air tornadoes), do "warmies" (warm air tornadoes) also >exist? The answer would be yes...but the terminology used here isn't >indicative of what happens. > >I broke down supercells into three categories of formation. Convective >supercells, shear supercells and combination supercells. All three >names indicating the primary source of their vorticity. I was >interested in the PV equation, and how it may apply to >mesocyclones/funnels. (Lamda + f)/D = PV) Where f is the constant >negative value in the Southern Hemisphere for any given latitude, and >lamda being the absolute vorticity. If a column of air (D) increases, >then lamda must become more negative to compensate, hence more cyclonic >in vorticity. If the column of air (D) decreases, then lamda must >become more positive to compensate, and we get anti-cyclonic rotation. > >There are several ways you can stretch a column of air, they include: >stretching by shear (convergence & confluence at the surface, and >divergence/diffluence aloft), you can also stretch through a rapidly >ascending parcel of air, in particular an area of high delta-CAPE per >vertical height. IE - as you increase, the atmosphere increasingly gets >more unstable, so essentially you have air accelerating faster than the >air below it, and that stretches the column of air and enhances any >vorticity present. The backing and veering part also plays its role, >but further enhancing a column of air that has begun this process. In >cases when the backing or veering is so strong, it may not need much >other stretching. In cases where the instability is so strong that >vorticity becomes enhanced significantly we then see that we don't need >other processes as critically as we do normally. Of course, you can >have "equal" amounts of these ingredients, or approximately equal >amounts (ie, one doesn't really dominate the other), and we then have >combination supercells. > >If you look at this model, then you can apply it to wide variety of >situations, to supercells, to tornadoes to funnels etc, that's if you >accept/believe that they are related/connected to each other. It would >certainly allow for funnels/land spouts to form under rather benign >convective clouds, or from raging supercells! But if you look at this, >you could also deduct that a "land funnel" (ie, non-supercellular >funnel), would probably not be as likely to descend and reach the ground >as a supercellular funnel. Similarly since landspouts are normally not >as strong as supercellular tornadoes - you would expect funnels to >behave in a similar fashion, and if they aren't as strong, one would >expect them to have a lesser chance of eventually reaching the ground. > >I think though, there is a lack of understanding in funnels - possibly >because most of the study comes from the US. And to me it seems clear >that many events in the US such as landspouts/"cold air funnels" are >passed as "normal events" and that little study has gone into other >sections. It seems that Australia is "leading" the study into >"alternative tornadoes" if you could call it that, in that there are a >variety of ways they form. > >I hope this isn't too boring/long for people...these are just my >opinions and a personal conceptual theory. > >AC > >McDonald wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm having a little trouble with an event such as this one which Robert >saw > > near Junee on Saturday. I'm not too sure about this being a supercell >for > > starters. From the description Robert gave me at the time and as is > > displayed in his report, I am under the impretion that the funnels >didn't > > come from a Cb but from a Cumulus Congestus. It's a diffiucult event to > > label as such but I think after seeing events such as this myself and > > hearing several reports of these events at other times I think a label >may > > be necessary for future reference. I'm not great with the term >"landspout" > > but honestly I think there is no better term for it as yet (if i come up > > with one I'll let you know). > > > > Going by my personal experiences (Nov 11 2000 where Chris Gribben and >myself > > saw a very similar event take place near Swan Hill in NW Victoria), I >have > > noted a few similarities between the events. > > > > - Clearing overnight rain/storms. > > - Trough line (convergence zone?) very close to the vicinity of the > > funnels. > > - Lots of moisture in the low levels and hence a low LCL. > > - Limited heating. > > - Moderate lapse rates. > > - Moderate low level speed shear (not sure of directional shear). > > - No glaciation of Congestus. > > - No apparent wall cloud. > > - There was precipitation falling in the vicinity of the funnel/s and > > it/they became engulfed in rain (i was going to type wrapped but i'm not > > sure about using that term). (I wonder if the precip plays any part in >the > > development??) > > - The BoM was informed at the time of both events yet no warning was > > issued. > > > > This last point raises a few questions. I know that at the time of the > > reports the guys at the BoM would be able to see that there are no Cb's >in > > the given area so you would expect them to assume it to be a >landspout/land > > funnel. Are land funnels considered less likely to touch down than >funnels > > spawned from a thunderstorm (whether it is a supercell or not)? Are > > landspouts considered such a small threat to property and lives that no > > warning is required? Did the BoM realise that these events were far >enough > > from populated areas and would be short lived enough to not cause >damage? > > I'm not having a dig at the BoM here - far from it actually. I'd like >to > > know if there is a landspout action plan at the BoM and I'm also trying >to > > promote discussion to see if something should be implemented to deal >with > > events like this (if the need is there - ie. if these landspouts are >strong > > enough to cause significant risk to lives and property). I'm not saying > > that they should try and forecast these events as that would be >impossible. > > I just think that perhaps these landspouts events should be looked at a > > little more closely. > > > > >From what I observed near Swan Hill, I would most definitely not call >it a > > supercell - it developed more from a strongish cumulus congestus. The >base > > area around the funnel remained fairly flat and due to our distance from > > them (there were several funnels) we couldn't make out any rotation at >cloud > > base. > > > > Michael Bath and Dave Ellem observed a tornado near their houses in NE >NSW > > earlier this year some time too which could possibly be of a similar >nature. > > >From the photos of that, the LCL was relatively low, the storm (it was >a Cb > > in this case - although MB suggests there was no thunder - intereting) >was > > low topped for that area and it also showed some, if not all of the > > charateristics as mentioned above. > > > > Anyway - I hope this can promote some discussion regarding the formation >of > > landspouts (which are tornadoes but probably not formed in the same way >as > > supercellular tornadoes), the conditions in which they develop and also >in > > the treatment of them by the BoM. > > > > Enough on landspouts. > > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew McDonald > > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Vic Rain Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:26:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Short and sweet. But my sentiments exactly!! Well said. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "dann weatherhead" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Vic Rain > Just an aside. > I would personally like to thank and congratulate Nick Sykes. > What for you may ask? > Late Thursday evening in him email, Nick gave us his rundown of the models, > and his interpretation and forecast like he regularly does. He mentioned > that this system is one to watch and there would be widespread heavy > rainfalls in southern VICand SE NSW continuing into Tuesday. > > Now i know it doesn't take much to load up the models and partake in this > now richly debated and much mulled ritual, but to write it up and regularly > take a punt about what all the models are saying at once is a sizeable feat, > as those who do it regularly would know. > > I would especially like to thank Nick for his regularly contributions to > list of these sorts which give those who don't really delve into the model > aspect of forcasting a fantastic idea of whats going on especially outside > of their immediate weather conext and environment. > > Congrats on getting this one right and along with Mr Birthday boy himself > (or was it a glorifed aswa meeting? no that started the following morning, > or did it really end? ; ) Andrew 'macca' McDonald, Jane, and Clyve for > keeping the rest of us informed with rain totals and synoptic situations in > the past 5 days. > > Thanks and Congrats once more. > > dann > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Sykes" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:54 AM > Subject: aus-wx: More Vic Rain > > > > It just keeps on going. > > > > Overnight another rainband has moved up over the metro area with totals > > since 9am yesterday approaching 50mm in some suburbs (Kilmore Gap, sitting > > on 86.8mm). It appears that a new low centre or trough has formed just to > > the SE of Melbourne, winds have turned northerly to the east of melb and > > over Western Port, while over most of the metro area strong SW winds are > > blowing. Pressures are also much lower than last night. Seems the main > area > > of rain will concentrate on the east Central district, Gippsland today, > with > > heavy falls still possible. > > > > > > Geelong has now effectively been blocked off from Melbourne with all > direct > > routes now flooded and closed, the only way to get there is via > Ballarat!!! > > Numerous flooded roads throughout the rest of the metro area, going to be > a > > slow trip to work. > > > > > > Victoria > > Tuesday: Rain with local heavy falls in central areas and parts of West > > Gippsland slowly easing during the day. Showers and drizzle in remaining > > southern and mountain areas but only isolated showers in the northwest. > > Cool to > > mild and mostly cloudy with moderate to fresh southwesterly winds over the > > western half, extending east to replace northerlies there during the day. > > > > > > > > AMD OVERVIEW: > > COMPLEX LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM NEAR 39S146E AND 39S149E WITH TROUGH > > 149E. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH AND LOWS. > > RAIN/SCATTERED SHOWERS/DRIZZLE SE OF DENILIQUIN/NHILL/WARRNAMBOOL, > > HEAVY AT TIMES IN SOUTHERN AREAS. ISOLATED SHOWERS ELSEWHERE. LOW > > CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION AND ABOUT SEA/WINDWARD RANGES. FOG PATCHES > > LAND WITHIN 60NM OF DIVIDING RANGE AND SOUTH OF RANGES. > > > > CLOUD: > > ISOL CB 3000/32000 WITHIN 100NM OF TROUGH/LOW. BKN ST 0500/2000 > > SEA/WINDWARD COAST/RANGES, AND IN RA/TSRA/DZ, BKN 1000/2000 IN > SHRA. > > BKN CU/SC 2000/10000. SCT CU TOPS TO 15000 IN E. BKN ACAS ABV > 10000, > > SCT IN W. > > > > Just loaded up a sat pic loop, possibility of that chunky cloudband to the > > SE of Vic been drawn up over Vic. > > > > Nick Sykes > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free at yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Sent message Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:23:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I remember sending this on Friday morning. Mother natures signs can't be ignored sometimes. Another of nature's "signs" showed up this morning. The "Jays", currawongs I think their real name is, have come down out of the hills which usually means its too cold or about to become very cold up their. BTW Clyve, your frogs are drowning I think. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [139.134.27.67] From: "Luke Garde" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Alistair Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:11:43 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 12:11:43.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9E88A00:01C0CCB7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi all

Just a quick note. Where do we think the system Alistair is going. Will it get down to Vic (more rain)??

Thanks

Luke Garde

Clifton Springs ASWA-Vic



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From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:20:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just a quick reply to this email. I think Jimmy suggested/wondered supercell. Also - I don't quite think there is/was a wall cloud. Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) > I may have missed some messages, but I do not recall anybody placing the > supercell tag on the storm. > > There is wall cloud for starters, but it is funnel. > > Michael > > > > near Junee on Saturday. I'm not too sure about this being a supercell for > > starters. From the description Robert gave me at the time and as is > > displayed in his report, I am under the impretion that the funnels didn't > > come from a Cb but from a Cumulus Congestus. It's a diffiucult event to > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:39:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: ausns1.austasia.net 1.6.2 0/1101/N Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmm......places where I wouldn't live........definately not Adelaide.....I actually need some weather . Mind you, Murtoa isn't all that sh*t hot for storms unless it's during the summer months, but who could resist all of the frost events that we get during winter and spring...........Gimmie the cold anyday. Wouldn't mind Hobart during the Winter months, but the way Vic has been since the weekend, why would you wanna move out of that great state :o) PaulY -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2001 12:41 To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? from a rain sodden Melbourne, although the eastern parts have had nothing like the falls that have flooded highways to the west & southeast....it's started to rain again (3.5mm this morning on top of the last 99mm) We've talked about the ideal place to live, but what about where you wouldn't live (in Australia) ....... My vote would be as follows: 5. Darwin (from May to September) - looking at occasional cirrus with a wind change at 10am & 2pm daily just isn't my cup of tea 4. Wollongong - stratocu **all** year round? 3. Cooma - ok for its proximity to the Alps, but it takes ages to get anywhere else 2. Adelaide - bit too Mediterranean 1. Thargomindah - the end of the road (almost literally), how many reasons would you like? (sorry Bill, not picking on you - again) Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Blackheath = cool maximum today Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:52:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Blackheath had its first single figure max today, at my home, at least. I recorded 9.8C with gusty winds and very light spitty rain throughout the day. Mount Boyce AWS got a touch higher, at around 10.3C or so. Lindsay Pearce Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au Blackheath Weather: http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:57:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anthony and All, Just to let you all know, Anthony has run this theory of "stretching of a vertical column of air" by me several times and I've been waiting ever so long for him to mention it publically - I laid the bait and he took it like a hungry fish!!! Brilliant work Anthony. I hope that over the coming years I can help you through my thoughts, criticisms and observations as you develop this theory further. Just as a further comment/example which questions the current theory of supercell initiation.....think about the situation where you have STRONG shear and limited instability. The current theory suggests that the horizontal vorticity is thrust into the vertical by an updraft and hence initiating the rotating updraft. If the instability is only limited, wouldn't you expect the updrafts to be too weak to sustain the upward motion to the extent where the vorticity is tilted to the vertical and also to maintain this for a long enough period for the cell to become organised to the extent where the mesocyclone reaches cloud base level? On the other hand, think of the situation where there is virtually no shear (an event example is that of October 19th where a meso and funnel persisted on and off for an hour over Geelong in virtually a no shear environment). If there is very limited shear, the current theory suggests the requirement of greater instability for supercellular tornadoes. I'm not 100% sure how this fits the current theory whereby how can you have a weak horizontal tube tilted to the verticle and then have the shear (if any present at all) maintain the rotation of the updraft for a period long enough for the cell to generate rotation at cloud base. In both circumstances you would think that another mechanism is at work, whether this be in conjunction with, or totally separate to the current theory. While currently I can more clearly follow the theory put forward by Anthony Cornelius, I am happy to hear further explanations/comments/criticisms of both theories and any alternatives which people may have. I hope this topic will generate some serious discussion. Once again - thanks Anthony (got ya finally)! Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Cornelius To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:17 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:09:17 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Can I make a suggestion and rephrase that comment if you know what good for you. >Hmmm......places where I wouldn't live........definately not Adelaide.....I >actually need some weather . +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan Treloar" To: Subject: aus-wx: RE: Alice Springs minima record Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:27:50 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com As usual here in Alice Springs, Summer changes to winter in one foul swoop. Although the days are lovely, at around 23C around lunchtime, it is freezing in the morning, and I didn't really need confirmation from Blair that it was very cold! We aren't really decked out for winter, with open plan housing etc. so for the next 3-4 months at night we will really feel it! A question for the list. People often talk about an 'Indian Summer' - when it is quite warm out of Summer season. Does anyone know why this term is used? Just curious. Cheers, Duncan Alice Springs +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:20:34 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Donkey's years ago I used to drive a bus leaving Canberra at 06:00 through Cooma and on to Bairnsdale. Cooma was always perishing cold but no other decent weather. (T'was before anyone ever thought of putting heaters in buses.) I'd keep away from Cooma also. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Thompson" To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:43:38 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? > > 4. Wollongong - stratocu **all** year round? > > Thanks Jane, we actually had an assortment of alto stratus today. > > > > 3. Cooma - ok for its proximity to the Alps, but it takes ages to > get > > anywhere else > > Not to mention that Cooma is rainshadowed from just about every > direction. > > Michael > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:36:11 +0800 From: Greg Spencer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'd have to say Perth lol. In the past 12 month's we've had maybe 4 good storm systems that were chaseable. doesnt get much worse than that lol Regards Greg +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p46-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.238] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:33:50 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Macca, I am not too sure about the non-existence of a wall cloud - as usual though with most of our photos - very unclear. The first major funnel closer to the rain region is being observed from the rear and seems to have a reasonable structure for a wall cloud but of course "nobody will ever know" as per usual. My question really was to relate to it as a coldie although the photo is too unclear such that the perspective and detail is not clear at all. Jimmy Deguara At 10:20 PM 24/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Just a quick reply to this email. > >I think Jimmy suggested/wondered supercell. Also - I don't quite think >there is/was a wall cloud. > >Macca > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Michael Thompson >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:32 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) > > > > I may have missed some messages, but I do not recall anybody placing the > > supercell tag on the storm. > > > > There is wall cloud for starters, but it is funnel. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > near Junee on Saturday. I'm not too sure about this being a supercell >for > > > starters. From the description Robert gave me at the time and as is > > > displayed in his report, I am under the impretion that the funnels >didn't > > > come from a Cb but from a Cumulus Congestus. It's a diffiucult event to > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:31:49 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Hi Anthony, > >Couldn't agree more! The whole "coldie" vs. "warmie" thning has bugged me >for years. If by coldie you mean totally within the bounds of one air mass >(or warmie for the same reason) then it seems odd that supercells form at >all by conventional mechanisms. > >Just yesterday I read (admittedly on WX-CHASE) that the KS supercells formed >on BOUNDARIES (my capitals) of mainly temperature lines (i.e. at quite low >temps for Australian conditions - I think 65/60 F was mentioned) - i.e. >frontal I guess. > >So what is "cold" and what is "warm"? Seems awfully relative. > >Anyway, the bulk of your missive should perhaps be posted to WX-CHASE and >see what happens...(though I can already hear the cries of "WTF would he >know being in Australia and a newbie....) :)) :(( > >Cheers, >Kevin from Wycheproof. > Hi all Great discussion, most of which I agree with totally. Trouble is, words like 'coldie' have entered the local vernacular, ond once part of the argot, it's very hard to get rid of terms like this, no matter how nebulous their scientific justification actually is. Also, its a nicely descriptive term for the visual observer, describing a 'coldie' in terms of objective atmospheric measurements may be difficult, but most of us know one when we see one! Phil +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:37:38 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, Andrew's right Us Adelaidian's are mean, hungry and WX-jealous. And we go grrrrrrr alot. And we pray to weird weather deities who frequently ignore us [are we not making enough sacrifices?] So watch out. We mean it. Or we'll come over to your place and suck up all your meso's. Really. >Can I make a suggestion and rephrase that comment if you know what good for >you. > > > > >>Hmmm......places where I wouldn't live........definately not Adelaide.....I >>actually need some weather . > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:05:51 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: Brisbane Lightning Last Night & This Morning & The Next Few Days Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Was interesting to see the trough to our north become active as showers and storms developed along the main trough axis just to our north. The most impressive stuff was out to sea, this was timed with a stalling/retreating trough, that allowed NE'lies to extend through along the coast fairly early. It wasn't inland/south far enough for anything closer to Brisbane, except on the ranges near Kingaroy. Most likely too dry, with DP's in the high single figures for most of the day around Toowoomba/Oakey, although they have picked up to the mid teens. DP's have been steadily increasing after the weak SW'ly change, to the mid-high teens (low 20's in the north). An upper level trough came through last night, clearly evident on the sounding, with the 500mb temperature dropping to a rather cold -16C! I didn't get an overly good view of lightning (and couldn't drive after drinking some rum for medicinal purposes...which no doubt also had a factor in the storms forming), but lightning was sporadic but it got as frequent as a strike every 2-3 seconds from what I could see. Unforutnately low-mid level cloud stuffed up the views a bit. The upper level trough will move out to sea during today, but we should have some more E to NE'lies in a few hours time, and this should help bring in the moisture. If the 500mb temps can refrain from dropping below -12/-13 we could see some activity on the ranges today (more so in the north) especially if the we can rebuild the PBL moisture levels out there (not just the surface). The trough that has given us lightning three days in a row now will continue to retreat inland, this should help maintain an E'ly flow over us, and a convergence zone over the Downs/NothernTablelands/NW Slopes & Plains region. SE QLD and Northern Rivers could also get something on the ranges and if they move off it'll be even better! An upper level trough should move into the above areas tomorrow, shear looks reasonable although anything under 500-600mb is a bit slack, above that a 100kn jet is running through it. -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: aus-wx: KS Tornado Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:34:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, some of you might be interested in this presentation of the KS tornado; http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ict/soo/svr0414.html Cya, Lyle +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Indian Summer Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:22:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Duncan wrote: A question for the list. People often talk about an 'Indian Summer' - when it is quite warm out of Summer season. Does anyone know why this term is used? Just curious. From what I can recall it's because of the humidity levels. Very high humidity (and temps) like they get in India. Knowing me, I'm wrong :-) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.192.25] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:23:09 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 22:53:09.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[55366460:01C0CD11] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com When I first saw this topic I knew Adelaide would come up as one of the places no one wants to live. You eastern folk and other Australian capital city folk wouldn't last a second here in Adelaide especially in Summer. Perth folk would probably last though. I've had friends from the eastern states stay here during summer and they can't believe it, dry for about 99% of the summer period and nearly always above 35 degrees Celcius. Yeah Adelaide has pretty poor weather but I know that makes me appreciate the weather more. I agree with Phil, Adelaide folk are nastier and desperate for any type of rainy weather. This is reflected in some of the negative e-mails I've sent to this group before. I've always thought about moving to much wetter places to get more weather action but it wouldn't be the same and it would be chickening out. Plus this sounds stupid but I LOVE ADELAIDE and absolutely hate Melbourne, however Sydney, Brisbane and Perth are all pretty good from experiences. Sorry Melbourne maybe it's the stolen Grand Prix factor but I just hate it over there. I would be amazed if a few people on this list said they liked Adelaide but who cares at least we don't try to be like Sydney here!!!! Here comes the negativity again:) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy \(home\)" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Indian Summer Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:20:11 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Found this Bussie, You're correct to say it's connected with Native Americans, though nobody seems to know quite how. The first reference that we have is from a book with the title A Snow Storm as it affects the American Farmer, which was written by a French-American farmer named J H St John de Crèvecoeur in about 1777. In it he said "Then a severe frost succeeds which prepares it to receive the voluminous coat of snow which is soon to follow; though it is often preceded by a short interval of smoke and mildness, called the Indian Summer" (I am indebted to David Barnhart and Alan Metcalf for quoting this in their book America in So Many Words). There are several explanations for where the phrase came from, mostly put forward in the early nineteenth century, which suggested the term was of sufficient antiquity by then that its origin had gone out of living memory. William and Mary Morris suggest it came about because the word "Indian" had been adopted as a term among early colonists to describe something false, or a poor imitation of the real thing, as in Indian corn or Indian tea. Whatever the reason, this name for a short period of fine weather at the end of autumn is now the standard term, even in Britain, where older names such as St Luke's summer, St Martin's summer or All-Hallown Summer are now obsolete or rare. Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: aus-wx: Indian Summer | Duncan wrote: | A question for the list. People often talk about an 'Indian Summer' - when | it is quite warm out of Summer season. Does anyone know why this term is | used? Just curious. | >From what I can recall it's because of the humidity levels. Very high | humidity (and temps) like they get in India. Knowing me, I'm wrong :-) | Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com | with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your | message. | -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:12:57 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Indian Summer Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I've always believed that the term Indian Summer refers to the period of calm, hazy and unseasonally warm weather which sometimnes follows the first cold outbreak of Autumn. It is often associated with stagnant high pressure centres - the haze coming from trapped air in a stable atmosphere. In the USA the term dates back 200 years and apparently was named by American Indians who recognised it as a short season in which the final preparation for Winter could be made - as it followed the first warnings of Winter approaching. Anyway, that's one explanation Cheers, Don White +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p46-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.238] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:40:42 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, This is fast becoming a negative post and I am not going to take part in it. I can only see negtives coming out of it. I liked the previous post of where you would like to live and thanks Dann for initiating it. I am not going to take part in this post. Jimmy Deguara At 08:23 AM 25/04/01 +0930, you wrote: >When I first saw this topic I knew Adelaide would come up as one of the >places no one wants to live. You eastern folk and other Australian >capital city folk wouldn't last a second here in Adelaide especially in >Summer. >Perth folk would probably last though. I've had friends from the eastern >states stay here during summer and they can't believe it, dry for about >99% of the summer period and nearly always above 35 degrees Celcius. Yeah >Adelaide has pretty poor weather but I know that makes me appreciate the >weather more. I agree with Phil, Adelaide folk are nastier and desperate >for any type of rainy weather. This is reflected in some of the negative >e-mails I've sent to this group before. I've always thought about moving >to much wetter places to get more weather action but it wouldn't be the >same and it would be chickening out. Plus this sounds stupid but I LOVE >ADELAIDE and absolutely hate Melbourne, however Sydney, Brisbane and Perth >are all pretty good from experiences. Sorry Melbourne maybe it's the >stolen Grand Prix factor but I just hate it over there. I would be amazed >if a few people on this list said they liked Adelaide but who cares at >least we don't try to be like Sydney here!!!! Here comes the negativity >again:) > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brisbane Lightning Last Night & This Morning & The Next Few Days Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:32:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, all I had a great view of these storms, and lightning wise they were quite spectacular! Over about 3 hours i saw around a dozen clear air Cg's striking from the top of the anvil to well outside the storm - a couple of these even pulsed a few times!!! Lightning frequency was extremely sporadic - one minute there'd be lightning every few seconds, 5 minutes later it would be every 15-20 seconds only to increase again 10-15 minutes later. The best storm i saw was around 2am, with a nice little overshoot, a great cumuliform look to the whole thing and lightning every 1-2 seconds with several clear air cg's as it peaked Apparenly there was a great storm off the coast on Monday night too - my sister said she saw "a huge dome being lit up by almost constant lightning" to the NE around 2:30am ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: aus-wx: Brisbane Lightning Last Night & This Morning & The Next Few Days > Hi all, > > Was interesting to see the trough to our north become active as showers > and storms developed along the main trough axis just to our north. The > most impressive stuff was out to sea, this was timed with a > stalling/retreating trough, that allowed NE'lies to extend through along > the coast fairly early. It wasn't inland/south far enough for anything > closer to Brisbane, except on the ranges near Kingaroy. Most likely too > dry, with DP's in the high single figures for most of the day around > Toowoomba/Oakey, although they have picked up to the mid teens. DP's > have been steadily increasing after the weak SW'ly change, to the > mid-high teens (low 20's in the north). An upper level trough came > through last night, clearly evident on the sounding, with the 500mb > temperature dropping to a rather cold -16C! I didn't get an overly good > view of lightning (and couldn't drive after drinking some rum for > medicinal purposes...which no doubt also had a factor in the storms > forming), but lightning was sporadic but it got as frequent as a strike > every 2-3 seconds from what I could see. Unforutnately low-mid level > cloud stuffed up the views a bit. > > The upper level trough will move out to sea during today, but we should > have some more E to NE'lies in a few hours time, and this should help > bring in the moisture. If the 500mb temps can refrain from dropping > below -12/-13 we could see some activity on the ranges today (more so in > the north) especially if the we can rebuild the PBL moisture levels out > there (not just the surface). > > The trough that has given us lightning three days in a row now will > continue to retreat inland, this should help maintain an E'ly flow over > us, and a convergence zone over the Downs/NothernTablelands/NW Slopes & > Plains region. SE QLD and Northern Rivers could also get something on > the ranges and if they move off it'll be even better! An upper level > trough should move into the above areas tomorrow, shear looks reasonable > although anything under 500-600mb is a bit slack, above that a 100kn jet > is running through it. > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:20:38 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Here here! Each place around Australia has many weatherwise attractions - each making it fascinating to live in. As for mocking Darwin during the dry...... really a poor comment. The weather is absolutely fantastic here - deep blue skies, warm days all round, world class natural attractions minutes from your doorstep, waterfalls to swim in, cafes to sit in and watch a beautiful pink/red/blues/orange sunsets without freezing..... I could go on and on. Paul in a beaut Darwin. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:11 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Hi all, This is fast becoming a negative post and I am not going to take part in it. I can only see negtives coming out of it. I liked the previous post of where you would like to live and thanks Dann for initiating it. I am not going to take part in this post. Jimmy Deguara At 08:23 AM 25/04/01 +0930, you wrote: >When I first saw this topic I knew Adelaide would come up as one of the >places no one wants to live. You eastern folk and other Australian >capital city folk wouldn't last a second here in Adelaide especially in >Summer. >Perth folk would probably last though. I've had friends from the eastern >states stay here during summer and they can't believe it, dry for about >99% of the summer period and nearly always above 35 degrees Celcius. Yeah >Adelaide has pretty poor weather but I know that makes me appreciate the >weather more. I agree with Phil, Adelaide folk are nastier and desperate >for any type of rainy weather. This is reflected in some of the negative >e-mails I've sent to this group before. I've always thought about moving >to much wetter places to get more weather action but it wouldn't be the >same and it would be chickening out. Plus this sounds stupid but I LOVE >ADELAIDE and absolutely hate Melbourne, however Sydney, Brisbane and Perth >are all pretty good from experiences. Sorry Melbourne maybe it's the >stolen Grand Prix factor but I just hate it over there. I would be amazed >if a few people on this list said they liked Adelaide but who cares at >least we don't try to be like Sydney here!!!! Here comes the negativity >again:) > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:38:11 +0100 (BST) From: Mario Paul Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I've been all over australia and I'd say perth is the most boring place I've been to.Boring hot weather in summer and flat as.Every street looks the same. --- Paul Mossman wrote: > Here here! > > Each place around Australia has many weatherwise > attractions - each making > it fascinating to live in. > > As for mocking Darwin during the dry...... really a > poor comment. The > weather is absolutely fantastic here - deep blue > skies, warm days all round, > world class natural attractions minutes from your > doorstep, waterfalls to > swim in, cafes to sit in and watch a beautiful > pink/red/blues/orange sunsets > without freezing..... I could go on and on. > > Paul in a beaut Darwin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On > Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:11 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? > > Hi all, > > This is fast becoming a negative post and I am not > going to take part in > it. I can only see negtives coming out of it. I > liked the previous post of > where you would like to live and thanks Dann for > initiating it. > > I am not going to take part in this post. > > Jimmy Deguara > > > At 08:23 AM 25/04/01 +0930, you wrote: > >When I first saw this topic I knew Adelaide would > come up as one of the > >places no one wants to live. You eastern folk and > other Australian > >capital city folk wouldn't last a second here in > Adelaide especially in > >Summer. > >Perth folk would probably last though. I've had > friends from the eastern > >states stay here during summer and they can't > believe it, dry for about > >99% of the summer period and nearly always above 35 > degrees Celcius. Yeah > >Adelaide has pretty poor weather but I know that > makes me appreciate the > >weather more. I agree with Phil, Adelaide folk are > nastier and desperate > >for any type of rainy weather. This is reflected > in some of the negative > >e-mails I've sent to this group before. I've > always thought about moving > >to much wetter places to get more weather action > but it wouldn't be the > >same and it would be chickening out. Plus this > sounds stupid but I LOVE > >ADELAIDE and absolutely hate Melbourne, however > Sydney, Brisbane and Perth > >are all pretty good from experiences. Sorry > Melbourne maybe it's the > >stolen Grand Prix factor but I just hate it over > there. I would be amazed > >if a few people on this list said they liked > Adelaide but who cares at > >least we don't try to be like Sydney here!!!! Here > comes the negativity > >again:) > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather > Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free at yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free at yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Martin Davey" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:49:59 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I certainly agree that weather wise Adelaide is really terrible during the Summer months with the long dry periods and can even be frustrating in the Winter months as promising cold fronts slip to the SE and weaken with monotonous regularity. From a layman's point of view it is a fairly comfortable climate but from a severe weather point of view it is a real shocker. Thank God for the internet, at least you can visit other areas with interesting weather. But I also agree that the odd time that interesting weather or even rain occurs here it really is exciting unlike perhaps other areas who are spoilt! Also there would be many worse places in South Australia for boring, dry weather. I think areas in the far west around Ceduna and especially more inland from there would be very bad to live in. Most of the Winter systems move too far South, northerly winds are hell on earth in all seasons except Winter ( Ceduna made 48c on one day last January) and tropical rains from the NW have a lot of desert to get through to have an impact. On places ideal to live in for interesting weather, I would vote for any area that doesn't have such long dry periods of weather. Perhaps Southern Coastal NSW or the East coast of Victoria which enjoy Summer rains from the Pacific and at the same time are far enough south to get winter cold fronts. Other good areas I would imagine would be the West coast of Tasmania which enjoys moist westerlies most of the year and the west coast of New Zealand for a similar reason. I lived in the UK for a year and we all know how people mention how " terrible " the weather is there! Well of course in terms of interesting weather this equates to great weather ! For variety the UK was fantastic especially the West Coast. All varieties of weather........Lots and lots of cold fronts all year round from the Westerlies, occasional snow from colder outbreaks, some rarely bitterly cold outbreaks when the winds turn to the East off continental Europe. In Summer some really good thunderstorms and humidity and of course the occasional fine day which you actually can appreciate in a wet climate! Martin -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of S G Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2001 08:23 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? When I first saw this topic I knew Adelaide would come up as one of the places no one wants to live. You eastern folk and other Australian capital city folk wouldn't last a second here in Adelaide especially in Summer. Perth folk would probably last though. I've had friends from the eastern states stay here during summer and they can't believe it, dry for about 99% of the summer period and nearly always above 35 degrees Celcius. Yeah Adelaide has pretty poor weather but I know that makes me appreciate the weather more. I agree with Phil, Adelaide folk are nastier and desperate for any type of rainy weather. This is reflected in some of the negative e-mails I've sent to this group before. I've always thought about moving to much wetter places to get more weather action but it wouldn't be the same and it would be chickening out. Plus this sounds stupid but I LOVE ADELAIDE and absolutely hate Melbourne, however Sydney, Brisbane and Perth are all pretty good from experiences. Sorry Melbourne maybe it's the stolen Grand Prix factor but I just hate it over there. I would be amazed if a few people on this list said they liked Adelaide but who cares at least we don't try to be like Sydney here!!!! Here comes the negativity again:) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Martin Davey" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:01:53 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I disagree with you about Perth Mario. I do agree that Summers there are worse than Adelaide and that is saying something but on average they have great winters and for a place relatively a fair way north ( Latitude about 31 deg or so ) Some of the fronts and lows off the Indian Ocean are monstrous and cause very severe weather. Additionally the SW of WA would go close to being one of the most favourable areas for weather. Winter storms are even more severe and sensational, In summer cold fronts may penetrate where they would not elsewhere and the temperatures are much cooler than Perth. The coastal scenery and forests in that area are sensational. Having said all this the last 12 months and this year have been bad for SW WA ( way below average rainfall) Martin -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Mario Paul Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2001 11:08 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? I've been all over australia and I'd say perth is the most boring place I've been to.Boring hot weather in summer and flat as.Every street looks the same. --- Paul Mossman wrote: > Here here! > > Each place around Australia has many weatherwise > attractions - each making > it fascinating to live in. > > As for mocking Darwin during the dry...... really a > poor comment. The > weather is absolutely fantastic here - deep blue > skies, warm days all round, > world class natural attractions minutes from your > doorstep, waterfalls to > swim in, cafes to sit in and watch a beautiful > pink/red/blues/orange sunsets > without freezing..... I could go on and on. > > Paul in a beaut Darwin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On > Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:11 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? > > Hi all, > > This is fast becoming a negative post and I am not > going to take part in > it. I can only see negtives coming out of it. I > liked the previous post of > where you would like to live and thanks Dann for > initiating it. > > I am not going to take part in this post. > > Jimmy Deguara > > > At 08:23 AM 25/04/01 +0930, you wrote: > >When I first saw this topic I knew Adelaide would > come up as one of the > >places no one wants to live. You eastern folk and > other Australian > >capital city folk wouldn't last a second here in > Adelaide especially in > >Summer. > >Perth folk would probably last though. I've had > friends from the eastern > >states stay here during summer and they can't > believe it, dry for about > >99% of the summer period and nearly always above 35 > degrees Celcius. Yeah > >Adelaide has pretty poor weather but I know that > makes me appreciate the > >weather more. I agree with Phil, Adelaide folk are > nastier and desperate > >for any type of rainy weather. This is reflected > in some of the negative > >e-mails I've sent to this group before. I've > always thought about moving > >to much wetter places to get more weather action > but it wouldn't be the > >same and it would be chickening out. Plus this > sounds stupid but I LOVE > >ADELAIDE and absolutely hate Melbourne, however > Sydney, Brisbane and Perth > >are all pretty good from experiences. Sorry > Melbourne maybe it's the > >stolen Grand Prix factor but I just hate it over > there. I would be amazed > >if a few people on this list said they liked > Adelaide but who cares at > >least we don't try to be like Sydney here!!!! Here > comes the negativity > >again:) > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather > Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free at yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free at yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: mail.cth.com.au: Host port11.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.75] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:17:20 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: aus-wx: Cloud Panorama with helpful links at my site... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, For a cloud 'panorama' see: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/panorama.htm This is interactive - can zoom, sweep across, up and down with mouse etc like Quicktime VR on a Mac. There you see a 'panorama' shot which is 16 digital pics stitched together with software, with links for instructions and software downloads there for you. Some of you may be interested in doing some of this - I can't wait to try this out and get to a good vantage point to do a storm panorama one day. Thanks to John Halford at BOM for this... John is about to retire from BOM Field Annexe training centre - a big help to us each year when we take teachers there for a week of learning. http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/training Cheers all, Sel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for March, April, May 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: "Aussie Weather Mail List" , Subject: aus-wx: Learning Competitions Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:16:52 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Howdy all, The weather forum (kindly hosted by TWC) is currently hosting 2 competitions based on the following: Predicting the weather for a nominated town in Australia for the next weekend; Predicting the start of the wet season 2001-2002 Join in and test your skill. The great idea behind this comp is the ability to learn as we go! Go to: http://beta.weatherzone.com.au/ And enter the weather forum section! Last weekend we were required to predict Wagga Wagga's temp & conditions. Temp winner was Dave & Matt Piper (getting 1 day right each) Conditions winner was me! Meteo Mark was no-where to be seen (or heard!) ..... can he wrangle his way back? Come and have some fun - and then learn as Dave Williams explains where we might have gone wrong or where the weather changed its mind! Paul. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:12:38 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: Re: aus-wx:Where wouldn't you live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Guys/Gals/Others :-P It is Kathryn here and I thought I would throw my 2c in or 5c inc GST. Was interesting to see that Adelaide was mentioned for not having much weather by a Victorian that spent 2 very successful days here in Adelaide chasing with Andrew and myself. He even managed to get his first daytime lightning strike on Digicam as well. But hell we don't get weather. Also can't forget the time in Feb, when the same person along with a WAlien had another successful chase here in February where the Walien managed to get one of the most AWESOME slide prints of lightning that I have ever seen, the Victorian must have liked it cause he also got himself an enlargement of the Slide pic when the Walien put it in to get one done for himself. Ok ADL may not get alot of storms but that's only cause Woomera flogged them all this season :-DDD Regards 11wk pregnant Kathryn. State Rep - South Australia +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:09:29 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Re- Funnel convo and stuff Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul - Blue sky, warm... no clouds for months on end.. *yawn* ... pretty boring ! Deep down you know you want to move back to Taree to see what hail looks like again :) Phil - Don't come over here and steal our meso's, stay in SA or there will be trouble If only Adelaide was built on the eastern side of Mt Lofty... your weather would be a little more variable. Can't blame you for wanting to come over and stealing our weather, you will grrrrrrrrr alot less ;) Macca - " In both circumstances you would think that another mechanism is at work, whether this be in conjunction with, or totally separate to the current theory. " I agree with this statement...the trick is to find out what the "other" mechanism is which creates the funnel. One thing that has crossed my mind has been the odd clear air horse shoe vortex people have seen. I know Anthony, Ben Quinn and myself have seen them, and we spotted one in Melbourne comming out of the ASWA meeting in the vicinity of a storm. What im getting at, is maybe if one of these forms in or very close to an updraught, (whether this is visual to the eye through condensation or not) the surrounding enviroment of the storm, associated shear and upward convectioncan enhance (extend, twist, etc) this very small vortex into something larger. Why do these small vortex's form ? who knows... could be part of the missing link to tornadogenisis... =) Here is a the only photo I have of one http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2000/07-something-00-02.JPG I'm probably way out of my league here but its just a thought.... hope it adds to this interesting discussion. Matthew Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com , Ive known about Anthonys theory for some time as well Matt Smith Paul Mossman wrote: > Here here! > > Each place around Australia has many weatherwise attractions - each making > it fascinating to live in. > > As for mocking Darwin during the dry...... really a poor comment. The > weather is absolutely fantastic here - deep blue skies, warm days all round, > world class natural attractions minutes from your doorstep, waterfalls to > swim in, cafes to sit in and watch a beautiful pink/red/blues/orange sunsets > without freezing..... I could go on and on. > > Paul in a beaut Darwin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:11 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? > > Hi all, > > This is fast becoming a negative post and I am not going to take part in > it. I can only see negtives coming out of it. I liked the previous post of > where you would like to live and thanks Dann for initiating it. > > I am not going to take part in this post. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 08:23 AM 25/04/01 +0930, you wrote: > >When I first saw this topic I knew Adelaide would come up as one of the > >places no one wants to live. You eastern folk and other Australian > >capital city folk wouldn't last a second here in Adelaide especially in > >Summer. > >Perth folk would probably last though. I've had friends from the eastern > >states stay here during summer and they can't believe it, dry for about > >99% of the summer period and nearly always above 35 degrees Celcius. Yeah > >Adelaide has pretty poor weather but I know that makes me appreciate the > >weather more. I agree with Phil, Adelaide folk are nastier and desperate > >for any type of rainy weather. This is reflected in some of the negative > >e-mails I've sent to this group before. I've always thought about moving > >to much wetter places to get more weather action but it wouldn't be the > >same and it would be chickening out. Plus this sounds stupid but I LOVE > >ADELAIDE and absolutely hate Melbourne, however Sydney, Brisbane and Perth > >are all pretty good from experiences. Sorry Melbourne maybe it's the > >stolen Grand Prix factor but I just hate it over there. I would be amazed > >if a few people on this list said they liked Adelaide but who cares at > >least we don't try to be like Sydney here!!!! Here comes the negativity > >again:) > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Archived Wx Charts For Lattest Vic Rainfall Event Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:37:43 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id DAA24948 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What sort of data, Lyle? Laurier On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:01:22 -0700, "Lyle Pakula" wrote: >Hi, > >I was wondering if anyone has or knows of any place to source some data for >this lattest rainfall event in Victoria (except MSLP)? > >It would be much appreciated! > >Thanks, Lyle > > > | > - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - > | > | Graduate Research Assistant /\ > . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ > . Colorado State University / \/ \ > ph: +1-(970)-491-7785 / /~~~~~~\/\ > . email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu /~~/ / \ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:23:47 +1000 (AEST) From: Jonty Hall To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, This is a really interesting discussion - hopefully I can add a few relevent comments and criticisms. As stated, the current "definition" of a supercell requires the presence of a mesocyclone. However, many other modes of convection (as Anthony states, even coastal shower cu) may possess rotation on the scale of a mesocyclone (typically, 1 or 2 km). But these are not normally as intense (usually measured by shear or maximum differential velocity) or as long-lived as the meso circulations associated with supercellular convection. Hence most supercell definitions try to take this into account by setting some arbitrary threshold of mesocyclone intensity. The theory of vortex-tube tilting and stretching in the updraught is a well accepted one, and has been reasonably well proven by observations and modelling to explain the formation of _mid-level_ mesocyclones. However, the presence of a mid-level meso, no matter how intense or long-lived it is, is certainly no guarantee of tornadogenesis. Far from it. Probably as many or more that 90% of storms with mid-level rotation do not produce tornadoes. With the presence of a low-level meso (which reduces the data set a lot), the figure reduces to perhaps 50%. The theory of low-level mesogenesis is a little different, and entails the baroclinic generation of horizontal vorticity in the inflow air which approaches the storm along the outflow boundary (basically, the temperature gradient, or more correctly the density gradient, between the warm ambient air and the cold outflow of the storm, or a neighbouring storm, produces rotation about a horizontal axis - also known as solenoidal production). This is then tilted and stretched by the updraft. Why do some storms with low-level mesos produce a tornado while others do not? That is probably one of the hottest questions in the severe storm research community at present, and is not known. One very important aspect of the theory you have overlooked, is the production of dynamic (ie non buoyant) pressure gradients due to the mid-level rotation. Basically, (in the southern hemisphere) a cyclonically rotating mid-level vortex will produce an area of lower pressure on its left flank, and higher pressure on its right. This contribution to updraft strength can be as large or even larger than the buoyancy contribution in high shear/low buoyancy environments. The stronger the shear, the stronger the dynamic lift. One other crucial factor to bear in mind is the representativeness of observations. It is all very well to say here's some convection in a low shear environment, however this is usually based on one or two soundings, or global model output. Neither of these can hope to resolve the plethora of small scale boundaries in the atmosphere (examples include sea-breeze circulations, outflow boundaries from previous convection, and even differential heating along a cloud boundary). However, these very boundaries can be extremely important sources of ambient horizontal and (perhaps less importantly) vertical shear. All of which is available for tilting and stretching in a strong updraft. If the storm in question happens to be moving along the boundary, rather than across it, this ambient vorticity may be available to it for an extended period. I'm not aware of the background of the Geelong case you mention Macca, but this may be a plausible explanation. There are many examples of days in which observed and forecast shear was weak, SRH vitually zero and yet supercells occurred. A recent study in the states (can't recall the reference off the top of my head) documented a typical large variation of 0-3km storm relative helicity over quite small distances - certainly much smaller than the sounding network of global models could resolve. I think it is important at this stage to keep conceptual models of supercells/mesocyclones and tornadoes well apart. We do not know how one fits in with the other at this stage. With something like 2 orders of magnitude difference in diameter, it is quite plausible that factors important in the formation and maintenance of one may not be as important in the other. The fact that we are only just beginning to get our hands on quality 3-D observations of tornadic circulations means that the understanding is merely in its infancy. You can do all the modelling you like, but without observational verification, you're never going to know how well you're doing - whether you are resolving important phenomena or your assumptions are plausible etc. This large difference in scale is a big problem for the modelling community to overcome. Some very recent studies are attempting to relate tornadogenesis and non-tornadogenesis to the thermodynamic characteristics of the rear flank downdraught - there seems to be some promise here. I hope that keeps the interest going in this discussion! I'll probably think of something else soon, but I'll add that later! Cheers, Jonty. On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: > Anthony and All, > > Just to let you all know, Anthony has run this theory of "stretching of a > vertical column of air" by me several times and I've been waiting ever so > long for him to mention it publically - I laid the bait and he took it like > a hungry fish!!! Brilliant work Anthony. I hope that over the coming years > I can help you through my thoughts, criticisms and observations as you > develop this theory further. > > Just as a further comment/example which questions the current theory of > supercell initiation.....think about the situation where you have STRONG > shear and limited instability. The current theory suggests that the > horizontal vorticity is thrust into the vertical by an updraft and hence > initiating the rotating updraft. If the instability is only limited, > wouldn't you expect the updrafts to be too weak to sustain the upward motion > to the extent where the vorticity is tilted to the vertical and also to > maintain this for a long enough period for the cell to become organised to > the extent where the mesocyclone reaches cloud base level? > > On the other hand, think of the situation where there is virtually no shear > (an event example is that of October 19th where a meso and funnel persisted > on and off for an hour over Geelong in virtually a no shear environment). > If there is very limited shear, the current theory suggests the requirement > of greater instability for supercellular tornadoes. I'm not 100% sure how > this fits the current theory whereby how can you have a weak horizontal tube > tilted to the verticle and then have the shear (if any present at all) > maintain the rotation of the updraft for a period long enough for the cell > to generate rotation at cloud base. > > In both circumstances you would think that another mechanism is at work, > whether this be in conjunction with, or totally separate to the current > theory. > > While currently I can more clearly follow the theory put forward by Anthony > Cornelius, I am happy to hear further explanations/comments/criticisms of > both theories and any alternatives which people may have. > > I hope this topic will generate some serious discussion. > > Once again - thanks Anthony (got ya finally)! > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony Cornelius > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Re- Funnel convo and stuff Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:41:51 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ohhh so it could be like Sydney and Melbourne then as well? Least it only lasts 4 months unlike your boring weather down South that can last a lot longer.....don't forget the early '80's where it was DROUGHT for so long..... Darwin still got its storms and wet. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Matt Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:39 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Re- Funnel convo and stuff Paul - Blue sky, warm... no clouds for months on end.. *yawn* ... pretty boring ! Deep down you know you want to move back to Taree to see what hail looks like again :) Phil - Don't come over here and steal our meso's, stay in SA or there will be trouble If only Adelaide was built on the eastern side of Mt Lofty... your weather would be a little more variable. Can't blame you for wanting to come over and stealing our weather, you will grrrrrrrrr alot less ;) Macca - " In both circumstances you would think that another mechanism is at work, whether this be in conjunction with, or totally separate to the current theory. " I agree with this statement...the trick is to find out what the "other" mechanism is which creates the funnel. One thing that has crossed my mind has been the odd clear air horse shoe vortex people have seen. I know Anthony, Ben Quinn and myself have seen them, and we spotted one in Melbourne comming out of the ASWA meeting in the vicinity of a storm. What im getting at, is maybe if one of these forms in or very close to an updraught, (whether this is visual to the eye through condensation or not) the surrounding enviroment of the storm, associated shear and upward convectioncan enhance (extend, twist, etc) this very small vortex into something larger. Why do these small vortex's form ? who knows... could be part of the missing link to tornadogenisis... =) Here is a the only photo I have of one http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2000/07-something-00-02.JPG I'm probably way out of my league here but its just a thought.... hope it adds to this interesting discussion. Matthew Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com , Ive known about Anthonys theory for some time as well Matt Smith Paul Mossman wrote: > Here here! > > Each place around Australia has many weatherwise attractions - each making > it fascinating to live in. > > As for mocking Darwin during the dry...... really a poor comment. The > weather is absolutely fantastic here - deep blue skies, warm days all round, > world class natural attractions minutes from your doorstep, waterfalls to > swim in, cafes to sit in and watch a beautiful pink/red/blues/orange sunsets > without freezing..... I could go on and on. > > Paul in a beaut Darwin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:11 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? > > Hi all, > > This is fast becoming a negative post and I am not going to take part in > it. I can only see negtives coming out of it. I liked the previous post of > where you would like to live and thanks Dann for initiating it. > > I am not going to take part in this post. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 08:23 AM 25/04/01 +0930, you wrote: > >When I first saw this topic I knew Adelaide would come up as one of the > >places no one wants to live. You eastern folk and other Australian > >capital city folk wouldn't last a second here in Adelaide especially in > >Summer. > >Perth folk would probably last though. I've had friends from the eastern > >states stay here during summer and they can't believe it, dry for about > >99% of the summer period and nearly always above 35 degrees Celcius. Yeah > >Adelaide has pretty poor weather but I know that makes me appreciate the > >weather more. I agree with Phil, Adelaide folk are nastier and desperate > >for any type of rainy weather. This is reflected in some of the negative > >e-mails I've sent to this group before. I've always thought about moving > >to much wetter places to get more weather action but it wouldn't be the > >same and it would be chickening out. Plus this sounds stupid but I LOVE > >ADELAIDE and absolutely hate Melbourne, however Sydney, Brisbane and Perth > >are all pretty good from experiences. Sorry Melbourne maybe it's the > >stolen Grand Prix factor but I just hate it over there. I would be amazed > >if a few people on this list said they liked Adelaide but who cares at > >least we don't try to be like Sydney here!!!! Here comes the negativity > >again:) > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:14:58 +0800 From: Mark Dwyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Subject: aus-wx: WA Storms 22/04/01 & A very cloase Lighting Strike Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Well last sunday avo, Mike, Radik and Myself went out chasing. After a call from Mike at 15:30 WST i left to meet up with him and Radik in Midland, before we headed of E towards Goomalling via Northam. There was a nice line of developing storms to the East of Northam as we passed through there, we ended up stoping about 15 Km South of Gommalling to observe and make a decision on where we were going to go. We stopped for a while longer to get a better picture of what was happening. When we heard a tree just behind us starting to click we knew that there was going to be a near by lighting strike, Almost instantly there was a massive CG just 100 M or less away from us. It turned out that it was infact a Positive strike CG that cave out of the anvil of the strom and through some lower level clouds below it. The tree behinds us according to Radik had a stepped leader coming of it, which would have explained the clicking noise we heard just before we Very nearly became another statstic :(:(:(. Below are 2 links to a small Mpeg of this near incident, the larger one "042201lg.mpg " is about 4.8 Mb, the other smaller one " 042201sm.mpg" is about 2.8Mb in size. The smaller one has a smaller screen size, so i suggest if you don't mind the wait that you go for the bigger one of the two, you won't be dissiponted. http://www.dsw.au.com/videos/042201lg.mpg http://www.dsw.au.com/videos/042201sm.mpg After a short while we headed SE towards Meckering, were we stoppped about 15 Km Nw of there to watch and photograpgh the Lighting show the now nice line of Cells was putting out. Positive CG strikes from the anvil to the ground where very common aswell, which Mike siad " I haven't Seen this many Positive CG strikes since i was last up in the kimberly, when he took Big Strike". Some we stayed a while :):):), after it started to die down we headed home after metting up with Greg and stopping for take away in Northam. On our arrival back into Perth we got another lightning show :):), very nice CG's were seen, Mike and i ended up at Lesmurdie Falls were we watch the last of it. Then it was time to drop Mike of at home, were we watched the footage we shot on Video and reflected on how close we came to not been here. i finally got home at around 3am after a very successful day/evening chasing, yet a frightning near miss was the high light of the day. Which could have been so easily the low light of the day :(:(, the report and further pictures and caputre stills will be up asap. PS does any one have GMSC satpic's and radar for the 22/04/01 ( from 14:30 - 23:00 WST ) Cheer's, from one very lucky chaser, Mark Dwyer e-mail : mjd at iinet.net.au ICQ# 40431595 DownUnder Severe Weather http://dsw.au.com ASWA - WA Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:23:33 -0700 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: War Story 7, 8 and 9]] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Another part to the war stories posted yesterday... > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:40:49 +1000, "Al" > wrote: > > >Her comment when she made the tea was "Now, this is very fine Earl Grey tea > >this, it's probably got a different taste to what you're used to." > > You meet the best and worst during these sort of emergencies. > > We were engaged (in my RFS days) in tarping an elderly mans house - > his statement to us had been 'a bit of water' - reality was that most > ceilings were sagging with the amount of water in the roof. > > Whilst working on the ground preparing tarps a woman pulled up in a > flash car and got out. She approached me and said 'When are you c**ts > going to do my house". > > I replied that 'If she had listed her address with SES control then > she would have been prioritized based on level of need and we would > get there as soon as her job was assigned. > > She responded with "I've been ringing you arseholes every day and > nothing gets done, you're just here for a f**king holiday". > > My answer was "No problem, give me the address (which she did), as > soon as we get back to headquarters tonight I will pass on your > address and make sure you are f**king last..." > > She left post-haste... :) > > Okay I probably shouldn't have sworn at her, but after seeing the > total devastation and attitude of some of the worst hit (people who > didn't want to bother anyone, yet couldn't physically help themselves) > this women made me see red...Guess it's lucky I didn't have Muddy's > Glock... LOL > > -- > Remove ba to reply via email. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx:Where wouldn't you live Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:48:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: ausns1.austasia.net 1.6.2 0/1101/N Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A. Wall wrote: Can I make a suggestion and rephrase that comment if you know what good for you. No. I stand by what I said and will NOT be intimidated into saying otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!! K. Wall wrote: Was interesting to see that Adelaide was mentioned for not having much weather by a Victorian that spent 2 very successful days here in Adelaide chasing with Andrew and myself. Actually, the chases weren't near Adelaide, so that statement is false!!!!!! Also can't forget the time in Feb, when the same person along with a WAlien had another successful chase here in February where the Walien managed to get one of the most AWESOME slide prints of lightning that I have ever seen And once again, this wasn't in the Adelaide region. Yes, it was an awesome photo, but I wouldn't have called it a complete success by a long shot. A short lightning display, and it was all over afterwards, which hen followed by a pointless drive afterwards just cause something was on the horizon that was too far away to even possibly chase. In conclusion, I stand by my statement and am therefore ending this conversation now Paul +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p46-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.238] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:03:11 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: War Story 7, 8 and 9]] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David, Now that is weather humour. I love it. Jimmy Deguara At 09:23 PM 25/04/01 -0700, you wrote: >Another part to the war stories posted yesterday... > > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:40:49 +1000, "Al" > > wrote: > > > > >Her comment when she made the tea was "Now, this is very fine Earl > Grey tea > > >this, it's probably got a different taste to what you're used to." > > > > You meet the best and worst during these sort of emergencies. > > > > We were engaged (in my RFS days) in tarping an elderly mans house - > > his statement to us had been 'a bit of water' - reality was that most > > ceilings were sagging with the amount of water in the roof. > > > > Whilst working on the ground preparing tarps a woman pulled up in a > > flash car and got out. She approached me and said 'When are you c**ts > > going to do my house". > > > > I replied that 'If she had listed her address with SES control then > > she would have been prioritized based on level of need and we would > > get there as soon as her job was assigned. > > > > She responded with "I've been ringing you arseholes every day and > > nothing gets done, you're just here for a f**king holiday". > > > > My answer was "No problem, give me the address (which she did), as > > soon as we get back to headquarters tonight I will pass on your > > address and make sure you are f**king last..." > > > > She left post-haste... :) > > > > Okay I probably shouldn't have sworn at her, but after seeing the > > total devastation and attitude of some of the worst hit (people who > > didn't want to bother anyone, yet couldn't physically help themselves) > > this women made me see red...Guess it's lucky I didn't have Muddy's > > Glock... LOL > > > > -- > > Remove ba to reply via email. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p46-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.238] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:13:21 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx:Where wouldn't you live Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well, Like to see the real positive frustration come out in these discussions. Cheers not. Jimmy Degaura At 09:48 AM 26/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >A. Wall wrote: > >Can I make a suggestion and rephrase that comment if you know what good for >you. > >No. I stand by what I said and will NOT be intimidated into saying >otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >K. Wall wrote: > >Was interesting to see that Adelaide was mentioned for not having much >weather by a Victorian that spent 2 very successful days here in Adelaide >chasing with Andrew and myself. > >Actually, the chases weren't near Adelaide, so that statement is false!!!!!! > >Also can't forget the time in Feb, when the same person along with a WAlien >had >another successful chase here in February where the Walien managed to get >one of the most AWESOME slide prints of lightning that I have ever seen > >And once again, this wasn't in the Adelaide region. Yes, it was an awesome >photo, but I wouldn't have called it a complete success by a long shot. A >short lightning display, and it was all over afterwards, which hen followed >by a pointless drive afterwards just cause something was on the horizon that >was too far away to even possibly chase. > >In conclusion, I stand by my statement and am therefore ending this >conversation now > >Paul > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WA Storms 22/04/01 & A very cloase Lighting Strike Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:17:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow ! what can I say, that was so close. I was near not going to load this down because of time. I can safely tell anybody thinking about it, do so. Regards Michael > Hi all, > > Well last sunday avo, Mike, Radik and Myself went out chasing. After a > call from Mike at 15:30 WST i left to meet up with him and Radik in > Midland, before we headed of E towards Goomalling via Northam. There was > a nice line of developing storms to the East of Northam as we passed > through there, we ended up stoping about 15 Km South of Gommalling to > observe and make a decision on where we were going to go. We stopped for > a while longer to get a better picture of what was happening. When we > heard a tree just behind us starting to click we knew that there was > going to be a near by lighting strike, Almost instantly there was a > massive CG just 100 M or less away from us. It turned out that it was > infact a Positive strike CG that cave out of the anvil of the strom and > through some lower level clouds below it. The tree behinds us according > to Radik had a stepped leader coming of it, which would have explained > the clicking noise we heard just before we Very nearly became another > statstic :(:(:(. > Below are 2 links to a small Mpeg of this near incident, the larger > one "042201lg.mpg " is about 4.8 Mb, the other smaller one " > 042201sm.mpg" is about 2.8Mb in size. The smaller one has a smaller > screen size, so i suggest if you don't mind the wait that you go for the > bigger one of the two, you won't be dissiponted. > > http://www.dsw.au.com/videos/042201lg.mpg > > http://www.dsw.au.com/videos/042201sm.mpg > > > After a short while we headed SE towards Meckering, were we stoppped > about 15 Km Nw of there to watch and photograpgh the Lighting show the > now nice line of Cells was putting out. Positive CG strikes from the > anvil to the ground where very common aswell, which Mike siad " I > haven't Seen this many Positive CG strikes since i was last up in the > kimberly, when he took Big Strike". Some we stayed a while :):):), after > it started to die down we headed home after metting up with Greg and > stopping for take away in Northam. On our arrival back into Perth we got > another lightning show :):), very nice CG's were seen, Mike and i ended > up at Lesmurdie Falls were we watch the last of it. Then it was time to > drop Mike of at home, were we watched the footage we shot on Video and > reflected on how close we came to not been here. i finally got home at > around 3am after a very successful day/evening chasing, yet a frightning > near miss was the high light of the day. > Which could have been so easily the low light of the day :(:(, the > report and further pictures and caputre stills will be up asap. > > PS does any one have GMSC satpic's and radar for the 22/04/01 ( from > 14:30 - 23:00 WST ) > > Cheer's, from one very lucky chaser, > Mark Dwyer > > e-mail : mjd at iinet.net.au > ICQ# 40431595 > > DownUnder Severe Weather > http://dsw.au.com > > ASWA - WA > Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: NOAA TC/Hurricane site Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:45:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: ausns1.austasia.net 1.6.2 0/1101/N Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Just looking at the NOAA site, and noticed this with some links to TTC's around the Australian area. http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/index.cgi?page=events&category=Year%202001% 20Storm%20Events PaulY Paul Yole Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA 0418 369 256 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Martin Davey" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx:Where wouldn't you live Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:27:09 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I agree with Jimmy Deguara on this topic. It is getting too parochial and even spiteful! Let's not be offended by who thinks what about what is worse etc because it really doesn't matter, just as well all places are not the same otherwise we would have nothing different which does make the weather interesting anyway, ie variations from one location to another. I reckon the Adelaide guys and maybe the NSW guys are bit " annoyed " about that last low giving Southern Vic all that interesting weather and totally ignoring the rest of us but that is the fickle and unpredictable nature of the weather. I personally would prefer a more even rainfall and storm distribution and I must admit when Adelaide gets something and the others miss out I feel good because it is usually the other way around!!!......Oh the weather or lack of it brings the worst out of us doesn't it!!! We can get greedy ( human nature ) and be a bit like children not getting our way! I know that when Adelaide misses out on a system I can get like a real sour puss!!! -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Paul Yole Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2001 09:19 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx:Where wouldn't you live A. Wall wrote: Can I make a suggestion and rephrase that comment if you know what good for you. No. I stand by what I said and will NOT be intimidated into saying otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!! K. Wall wrote: Was interesting to see that Adelaide was mentioned for not having much weather by a Victorian that spent 2 very successful days here in Adelaide chasing with Andrew and myself. Actually, the chases weren't near Adelaide, so that statement is false!!!!!! Also can't forget the time in Feb, when the same person along with a WAlien had another successful chase here in February where the Walien managed to get one of the most AWESOME slide prints of lightning that I have ever seen And once again, this wasn't in the Adelaide region. Yes, it was an awesome photo, but I wouldn't have called it a complete success by a long shot. A short lightning display, and it was all over afterwards, which hen followed by a pointless drive afterwards just cause something was on the horizon that was too far away to even possibly chase. In conclusion, I stand by my statement and am therefore ending this conversation now Paul +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:11:31 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Subject: Re: aus-wx: WA Storms 22/04/01 & A very cloase Lighting Strike Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That was absolutely fantastic!!!!!!!!!!! Also, are there 2 of those streamers coming up from below the camera? Look at the large movie http://www.dsw.au.com/videos/042201lg.mpg and check out frames 198 for the brighter one and 204 for the dimmer one. These precede the brightest part of the lightning strike by 3 frames for the first one (brightest flash comes in frame 201) while the second comes 1 frame before the brightest flash. Also, the second one appears slightly more to the left of the first judging by its position relative to the ground. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Archived Wx Charts For Lattest Vic Rainfall Event Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:18:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Laurier, I want to do a synoptic discussion on the event, so I was hoping to get whatever I can, other than the easily accessible MSLP and sat images - Radar would be nice but not neccessary but most important would be 250 and 500mb, some soundings (i got a few in the tail end) and maybe some derived vorticity charts. Thanks for the reply, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurier Williams" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 12:37 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Archived Wx Charts For Lattest Vic Rainfall Event > What sort of data, Lyle? > > Laurier > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:01:22 -0700, "Lyle Pakula" > wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I was wondering if anyone has or knows of any place to source some data for > >this lattest rainfall event in Victoria (except MSLP)? > > > >It would be much appreciated! > > > >Thanks, Lyle > > > > > > | > > - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - > > | > > | Graduate Research Assistant /\ > > . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ > > . Colorado State University / \/ \ > > ph: +1-(970)-491-7785 / /~~~~~~\/\ > > . email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu /~~/ / \ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WA Storms 22/04/01 & A very cloase Lighting Strike Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:24:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Nice encounter ;) Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Dwyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:14 AM Subject: aus-wx: WA Storms 22/04/01 & A very cloase Lighting Strike > Hi all, > > Well last sunday avo, Mike, Radik and Myself went out chasing. After a > call from Mike at 15:30 WST i left to meet up with him and Radik in > Midland, before we headed of E towards Goomalling via Northam. There was > a nice line of developing storms to the East of Northam as we passed > through there, we ended up stoping about 15 Km South of Gommalling to > observe and make a decision on where we were going to go. We stopped for > a while longer to get a better picture of what was happening. When we > heard a tree just behind us starting to click we knew that there was > going to be a near by lighting strike, Almost instantly there was a > massive CG just 100 M or less away from us. It turned out that it was > infact a Positive strike CG that cave out of the anvil of the strom and > through some lower level clouds below it. The tree behinds us according > to Radik had a stepped leader coming of it, which would have explained > the clicking noise we heard just before we Very nearly became another > statstic :(:(:(. > Below are 2 links to a small Mpeg of this near incident, the larger > one "042201lg.mpg " is about 4.8 Mb, the other smaller one " > 042201sm.mpg" is about 2.8Mb in size. The smaller one has a smaller > screen size, so i suggest if you don't mind the wait that you go for the > bigger one of the two, you won't be dissiponted. > > http://www.dsw.au.com/videos/042201lg.mpg > > http://www.dsw.au.com/videos/042201sm.mpg > > > After a short while we headed SE towards Meckering, were we stoppped > about 15 Km Nw of there to watch and photograpgh the Lighting show the > now nice line of Cells was putting out. Positive CG strikes from the > anvil to the ground where very common aswell, which Mike siad " I > haven't Seen this many Positive CG strikes since i was last up in the > kimberly, when he took Big Strike". Some we stayed a while :):):), after > it started to die down we headed home after metting up with Greg and > stopping for take away in Northam. On our arrival back into Perth we got > another lightning show :):), very nice CG's were seen, Mike and i ended > up at Lesmurdie Falls were we watch the last of it. Then it was time to > drop Mike of at home, were we watched the footage we shot on Video and > reflected on how close we came to not been here. i finally got home at > around 3am after a very successful day/evening chasing, yet a frightning > near miss was the high light of the day. > Which could have been so easily the low light of the day :(:(, the > report and further pictures and caputre stills will be up asap. > > PS does any one have GMSC satpic's and radar for the 22/04/01 ( from > 14:30 - 23:00 WST ) > > Cheer's, from one very lucky chaser, > Mark Dwyer > > e-mail : mjd at iinet.net.au > ICQ# 40431595 > > DownUnder Severe Weather > http://dsw.au.com > > ASWA - WA > Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: "aus-wx" Subject: aus-wx: fwd: a lucky chaser Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:09:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com after that crazy video phootage, this might be intersting to some... Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Wittmeyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: a lucky chaser > Lyle, > > Here's an account of an experienced chaser who is lucky to be alive > today, as reported by an acquaintance. Keep this story in mind when you > chase. Even experienced chasers still face significant risks out there. > > Ian > > > > ================================================================= > > I spoke for several hours last night (April 23, 2001) with a Chaser who > was > hit by the Hoisington, KS Tornado. From checking the damage path map > on > the Wichita NWS site he said he was in the location that received F4 > damage. > Let me start by saying I have know this person for several years and > consider him to be a safe and responsible Chaser. > I thought it might be useful to share his experience with the Group. > He was NOT in "Chase Mode" when he was hit by the F4. > He was having vehicle problems and was getting low on gas. > >From listening to NOAA WX-Radio and his observation, it appeared to him > that > the main threat had passed to the north of Hoisington. > He mentioned that there was no warning in effect for the town at the > time. > It was still raining when he pulled into town. > He was just looking for a gas station and someone to repair his > vehicle. > He mentioned that the rain had almost ended, when it started to again > increase in intensity. The winds were from the south. The winds began > getting stronger and the rain continued. About this time ALL lights in > town > went out. He did not see any power flash but became very worried since > "something" had just taken out the main feeder lines for the area. The > winds > quickly increased from the south and the rain continued. He recalls > sensing > something terrible was about to happen. Then he heard the roar. > One of the questions about this event has been was this tornado in a > rain > wrapped HP Supercell? This question is now answered. > The rain did not let up as the tornado passed over him. > With the still increasing south wind and the roar he now knew a > tornado > was just to his west. > Imagine being in total darkness KNOWING you are about to get hit by a > tornado of unknown size and strengh. > He estimates he had about 5 SECONDS from when the roar started to make > the > decision of "what do I do to maximize my chances of living through > this". > Given the wind strenth he knew he did not have time to drive away from > the > tornado. He thought about getting out of his vehicle and finding a > ditch to > take cover in like we have all heard is the proper > action to take. In this case he felt his chances were better staying > in the > vehicle. He was near a concrete building and he slammed his vehicle > against > the wall hoping to somewhat reduce his chance of becoming airborne. > If he had left his vehicle trying to find a ditch or other shelter, > he feels he would have likely been killed or seriously injured given > the > amount of debris flying around. > Remember this all happened in about 5 seconds. I don't think any of us > could really say exactly how we would react if we faced the same set of > condition-but it is something to think about. Had he panicked even for > 1 > second he probably would have severely reduced his chance for survival. > He described it as "sensory overload". > After his truck was against the concrete wall he hit the floorboard and > covered his head. > The south wind quickly increased and soon the roar was MUCH louder than > a > freight train--"almost indescribable- something like the roar of > standing > near an F-4 Phanton Jet". > He metioned that once the wind reached peak intensity it did not vary > as the > tornado passed over him. Most of the windows were quickly blown out and > considerable debris could be heard--and felt--slamming against and > through > the vehicle. The constant roar of the tornado was so loud that the > sound of > the debris slamming into his vehicle was barely > audible. > The winds quickly turned to the east then to the north with no > noticable > change in speed as the tornado passed over. He estimates it took about > 1 > minute for it to be over. > I asked him if he remembered any signs of pressure change. > He did not. > The vehicle was moving around violently and a few times lifted slightly > off > the ground. > The roar of the tornado was so loud that he did not even hear the 2x6 > that > slammed through what remained of the front windshield. > He never saw the tornado coming, the only warning was the roar and > increasing winds. He did see it after he crawled from his vehicle which > received about $10,000 in damage. > He said the tornado was not visible for very long as it moved away. > The wall he had slammed his vehicle against was one of the few things > remaining standing. Many vehicles that had been in the area were now > gone. > If any of you have any question about his experience , I will pass them > on > to him. Maybe we can learn something from what he went through. > I look forward to seeing some serious study of this case. > What signs were missed that such a significant event was unfolding > and about to forever change the lives of the people of Hoisington and > my > friend. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:31:49 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Web Cam & Melbourne rain records Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all... Does anyone know what has happened to the Web Cam at top of 101? bourke st (the Omni one) - just has a generic view for the last 4-5 days ? Also, doest anyone know when was the last time that Melbourne RFC has 1. 3 consecutive days with more than 25 mm or 2. 4 consecutive days with more than 10 mm as occurred last week. Blair, I know its not temps but does your data base teel you anything Thanks Don White +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Web Cam & Melbourne rain records Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:50:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi, sorry, it's late in the day and i can't help myself! > Blair, I know its not temps but does your data base teel you anything I hope so ;) cheers, lyle +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:03:10 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Hi all, > >This is fast becoming a negative post and I am not going to take part in >it. I can only see negtives coming out of it. I liked the previous post of >where you would like to live and thanks Dann for initiating it. > >I am not going to take part in this post. > >Jimmy Deguara > Hmmm. Yeah. It seems SG [possibly some others, I haven't read all my emails yet] took my totally light hearted comments about Adelaide chasers too seriously. Might be a good idea to quit this one while were ahead. Phil +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:27:56 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne rain records Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Don, these are all the occurrences of what you request for Melbourne 4 days >= 10mm : October 1937 5 days >= 10mm : December 1863 3 days >= 25mm : January 1889, February 1972, March 1911, April 1960 & December 1863 regards, Michael At 19:31 25/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all... >Does anyone know what has happened to the Web Cam at top of 101? bourke >st (the Omni one) - just has a generic view for the last 4-5 days ? > >Also, doest anyone know when was the last time that Melbourne RFC has >1. 3 consecutive days with more than 25 mm or >2. 4 consecutive days with more than 10 mm >as occurred last week. >Blair, I know its not temps but does your data base teel you anything > >Thanks >Don White > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ============================================================= Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ NE NSW Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ============================================================= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:19:26 +1000 From: Chas & Helen Osborn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Martin Martin Davey wrote: > On places ideal to live in for interesting weather, I > would vote for any area that doesn't have such long dry periods of weather. > Other good areas I would imagine would be the West > coast of Tasmania which enjoys moist westerlies most of the year and the > west coast of New Zealand for a similar reason. I have to agree with you about the West coast of Tasmania for interesting weather. We have changeable weather which is mostly predictable. High winds, huge seas, high rainfall and a shortage of thunderstorms for extremes. Mild temperatures (today min 12C max 14C). Always something happening. > I lived in the UK for a year > and we all know how people mention how " terrible " the weather is there! > Well of course in terms of interesting weather this equates to great weather Could not agree more. Chas Strahan Tasmania +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.89.48] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:52:06 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 01:22:06.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E815330:01C0CDEF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Phil, My post on this topic was also meant to be light hearted, saying "here comes the neagtivity again" because this groups has a real problem with the slightest bit of confrontation I always feel as if I have to cover myself in everything I say. Once again though it has been taken out of context even though I covered myself. And Phil seeing as you are from Adelaide I thought you would realise we were pretty much on the same level with what we were saying apart from my "I hate Melbourne part etc" but that's just me I'm not going to hide that fact. The person who started this post couldn't have seriously thought it wouldn't start a few SMALL problems, I mean come on? And so what if there is a bit of negativity and confrontation, sometimes that can end up being a positive. I think it is also a bit rich of you Phil to bag me out and then say I think we should leave this one here and stop talking about it. Basically that means I look like the one who is continuing the negativity on when I just want to defend myself. I have had many bad experiences with people who try and make others and myself look bad and themselves look perfect. Many other people have made negative comments but my name has to be the one mentioned out of about 5 or so just like an incident a few months back that was blown totally out of proportion. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:43:08 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Adelaide's not so bad Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com For what it's worth (not much really), my only 2 encounters with supercells came when I was living in Adelaide, 22 Jan 91 and Sep 98. And I only needed to go as far as my backyard in the western suburbs to see them. In my travels no other place has offered me these kinds of storms, and so for ME, and I do stress 'ME', Adelaide is supercell city!! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "James Chambers" To: "Aussie-Weather" Subject: aus-wx: N NSW STA Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:49:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all The sky is looking very unstable here in SE Qld with showers developing and continuing storms on the Darling Downs. Similar for N NSW and an advice has just been issued: IDW16N00 TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1220 on Thursday the 26th of April 2001 This advice affects people in the following weather districts: Northern Tablelands north of a line through Bundarra and Guyra. Northern Rivers Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall. The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms approach people should: * put vehicles under cover * move indoors away from windows During and after the storm people should: * beware of fallen trees and power lines * keep away from creeks and drains as you may be swept away The RTA recommends motorists switch their lights & wipers on & slow down in the wet. If your house is damaged contact the State Emergency Service on 132 500 for emergency assistance. Do not use the telephone during the storm. TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Advice current for the Northern Rivers and parts of the Northern Tablelands weather forecast districts. MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: This Advice message is valid until 4pm. The Bureau and SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. Regards James Chambers The Brisbane & SE Qld Storm Site http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p46-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.238] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:08:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi SG and all, Please note that my comments were not meant at you SG. I am just aware from the nature of this list that a topic as this can inbreed negative thoughts and I suggested that I will not take part in it. You can tell the difference from the opposite - just how positive it was. What annoys me is that when such an opportunity arises, some people use it as an excuse to attack or offend others based on a previously unrelated issue knowing they will react. But then again, we have freedom of speech - certainly not my cup of tea. What I am saying is some people take the concept of "freedom of speech" we enjoy to the extreme. I can tell anyone, that Adelaide/SA or even SWA in the right conditions can fire immensely. I have been studying satellite pictures for quite a while now and other more than me. I can tell you that there have been episodes that in SA and SWA where massive storms have exploded. I can tell you I wish I had a chance to go in those areas to chase at those times. And I can tell you guys in WA and SA, nothing in the past few years approaches such conditions. It is a matter of time when those conditions will be upon you. Of course you may have to be willing to chase them if you want to experience these knowing they may not last long - as I recall only lasting in episodes of up to 2 - 3 weeks. And then nothing happens from there on. All over. Given the road network of this country, many areas remain unexplored meteorologically wise. I wish I could be in the areas where the storms or significant weather occurs to learn more and appreciate them and that should be the focus of this list. There is nothing to be gained from negativity and so much to be gained from positive discussions. Keep those positive thoughts rolling in. Anyway, lets look at the positive thoughts again. There is an advice out for the Northern Tablelands. I was not able to chase today. Oh well. Jimmy Deguara At 10:52 AM 26/04/01 +0930, you wrote: >Phil, > >My post on this topic was also meant to be light hearted, saying "here >comes the neagtivity again" because this groups has a real problem with >the slightest bit of confrontation I always feel as if I have to cover >myself in everything I say. Once again though it has been taken out of >context even though I covered myself. And Phil seeing as you are from >Adelaide I thought you would realise we were pretty much on the same level >with what we were saying apart from my "I hate Melbourne part etc" but >that's just me I'm not going to hide that fact. The person who started >this post couldn't have seriously thought it wouldn't start a few SMALL >problems, I mean come on? >And so what if there is a bit of negativity and confrontation, sometimes >that can end up being a positive. I think it is also a bit rich of you >Phil to bag me out and then say I think we should leave this one here and >stop talking about it. Basically that means I look like the one who is >continuing the negativity on when I just want to defend myself. I have >had many bad experiences with people who try and make others and myself >look bad and themselves look perfect. Many other people have made >negative comments but my name has to be the one mentioned out of about 5 >or so just like an incident a few months back that was blown totally out >of proportion. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:33:45 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all. a storm currently north of byron is on its way to the gold coast. this baby has a massive anvil. the heart of the storm looks to be on the western side. its direction is due north. e.t.a maybe 45 mins (2:30) pink on radar, theweather .com has only detected 1 lightning strike, energex has nuthing as yet. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Marguerite Long" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: gold coast storm Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:02:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, I am in south Brisbane and the southern sky has a really wild look about it. Can't describe it in proper terminology - but something sure is happening! Marguerite - Brisbane > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.36.248.19] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Warmish wx... Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:23:32 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 05:23:32.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[08FB0B90:01C0CE11] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, It's about 25 C here atm...about 5 C higher than forecast...anybody know why it got so warm? (Obviously colder air went well south) Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Gold Coast Storm To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:34:34 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 26/04/2001 03:34:31 PM Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDW10Q00 BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY Queensland Region Brisbane Office TOP PRIORITY SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane at 3:23pm EST on Thursday the 26th of April 2001 For the Southeast Coast District Two possible severe thunderstorms have been identified on radar. One lies 30km west of Coolangatta and is moving slowly north. The other has just developed to the west of Caboolture. These storms may produce damaging winds and hail. People are advised to secure outside items, move cars under cover and seek shelter. The next warning will be issued at 4 pm. **** NOT FOR BROADCAST AFTER 4 pm **** This warning is also available by telephone on 1196 for the cost of a local call and on 1900 969 921 at a cost of around 77 cents per minute. ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: aus-wx: SE QLD STW Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:39:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com TOP PRIORITY SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane at 3:23pm EST on Thursday the 26th of April 2001 For the Southeast Coast District Two possible severe thunderstorms have been identified on radar. One lies 30km west of Coolangatta and is moving slowly north. The other has just developed to the west of Caboolture. These storms may produce damaging winds and hail. People are advised to secure outside items, move cars under cover and seek shelter. The next warning will be issued at 4 pm. **** NOT FOR BROADCAST AFTER 4 pm **** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Gold Coast Storm To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:45:57 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 26/04/2001 03:45:53 PM Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 3.39pm 26/4. Just talking with relative at Burleigh Heads Qld, rain just started very heavy, could hear in background on phone, thunder constant. Winds also very strong. BOM warning posted already.. Red on radar.. Plenty of lightning showing up on theweather.com I have started saving images for Qld and NW NSW.. Dave Bathurst ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: gold coast storm (photos) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:56:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all This storm looked quite nice from here - these photos were taken 10 minutes apart about half an hour ago http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/gc_01.jpg http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/gc_02.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve baynham" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm > hi all. > a storm currently north of byron is on its way to the gold coast. > this baby has a massive anvil. the heart of the storm looks to be on the > western side. > its direction is due north. e.t.a maybe 45 mins (2:30) > pink on radar, theweather .com has only detected 1 lightning strike, > energex has nuthing as yet. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 04:01:47 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Gold Coast Storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Apparently the 50 mm of rain reported at Murwillumbah on their 3 pm obs all feel in around 30 minuts. Don W davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au wrote: > > 3.39pm 26/4. > > Just talking with relative at Burleigh Heads Qld, rain just started very > heavy, could hear in background on phone, thunder constant. Winds also > very strong. BOM warning posted already.. Red on radar.. Plenty of > lightning showing up on theweather.com > > I have started saving images for Qld and NW NSW.. > > Dave > Bathurst > > ##################################################################################### > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are > not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. > ##################################################################################### > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide's not so bad Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:55:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 05:55:30.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[8014B650:01C0CE15] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert,and all. A couple of years ago the annual ASWA storm chase ended up in the back of " Min; Min:" country far western QLD in an area with an average rainfall of about 250mm looking for supercells, infact looking for anything (and found stuff).Its all relative really, on this occasion the"normal" storm generating areas of southeastern QLD and eastern NSW were awful,but most chasers were happy to be anywhere if storms were generating, which is how I see it ....I would go anywhere looking for storms no matter where. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: aus-wx: Adelaide's not so bad > > For what it's worth (not much really), my only 2 encounters with > supercells came when I was living in Adelaide, 22 Jan 91 and Sep 98. And > I only needed to go as far as my backyard in the western suburbs to see > them. In my travels no other place has offered me these kinds of storms, > and so for ME, and I do stress 'ME', Adelaide is supercell city!! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > Department of Mathematics and Statistics > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:13:35 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aus-wx: destructive storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com this storm went way beyond expectation. we've had several lightning bolts under a second away with thunder that rocked the whole joint. and the wind was almost as bad as the dec 10 99 storm that some ppl have seen. the rain was coming down in buckets and at times going sideways. my tiny backyard is flooded, so undoubtedly there will be flash flooding around SE Qld tonight. rain is still coming down and thunder and lightning have already shutdown my computer. just checked the gauge, we've had 60mm in 20 minutes and rising +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Looks good for more storms in SE QLD Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:16:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All
 
Things look good for a spattering of storms across SEQ (already warnings been issued).
 
I think it will be a bit of hit or miss situation as it appears as though there is some middle level suppression going on. The more severe storms are managing to break through this layer and when they do appear to be reasonable sustaining.
 
Should see a spreading out into rain with embedded thunder for most of SE Qld during the night I suspect.
 
Have fun watching everyone. I think its going to be an interesting afternoon and evening.
 
Regards
Simon
From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: NEW QLD STA To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:34:52 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 26/04/2001 04:34:48 PM Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com TOP PRIORITY SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane at 3:58pm EST on Thursday the 26th of April 2001 For the Southeast Coast and Wide Bay and Burnett Districts The thunderstorm near Caboolture has weakened during the last half hour, but will continue to be monitored on radar. The storm near the Gold Coast has shown recent signs of redevelopment near Nerang. Another storm has rapidly developed southwest of Blackbutt. These storms may produce damaging winds and hail. People in these areas are advised to secure outside items, move cars under cover and seek shelter. The next warning will be issued at 5 pm. ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:40:16 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aus-wx: very disappointed Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com that storm and maybe more on the way could not have come at a worse time. my top computer shat itself yesterday, which i could have bought live video images, with my new digi vid cam, on the shelf cloud as that storm approached. so i am using my back up computer, but it is not detecting the cd rom drive for some stupid reason which only started yesterday aswell. so i can't install software to download from camera:( i did take some photos of the shelf cloud with my snappy camera, which i will get back tomorrow afternoon, but my scanner is still fucked. so i am not a happy man!!!:( however i will look around for someone who i can use their scanner. anyone?? carl smith?? thunder still going am very sorry about all this!! oh yeah and i'm stuck with an early version of IE so i can't use ASWA radar and i can't get on IRC chatroom bye! Steve Baynham http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.au.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:45:23 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: destructive storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 60mm in 20 minutes !!!! YIKES that is 180mm/hour ... very impressive! Just had a quick look at some models.. looks like a surface trough and a bit of a jet are causing the storms (obviously sufficient moisture) temps in the mid 20's or so with DP's around 20ish.. not too shabby.... id assume its a little cool upstairs as well... Matt Smith steve baynham wrote: > this storm went way beyond expectation. > we've had several lightning bolts under a second away with thunder that > rocked the whole joint. and the wind was almost as bad as the dec 10 99 > storm that some ppl have seen. the rain was coming down in buckets and at > times going sideways. my tiny backyard is flooded, so undoubtedly there > will be flash flooding around SE Qld tonight. rain is still coming down and > thunder and lightning have already shutdown my computer. just checked the > gauge, we've had 60mm in 20 minutes and rising > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: Re: aus-wx: very disappointed To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:01:59 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 26/04/2001 05:01:54 PM Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI Steve.. If you would like any images.. im saving each 10 min.. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 04:56:34 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: destructive storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Exactly where are you, Steve, Don W steve baynham wrote: > > this storm went way beyond expectation. > we've had several lightning bolts under a second away with thunder that > rocked the whole joint. and the wind was almost as bad as the dec 10 99 > storm that some ppl have seen. the rain was coming down in buckets and at > times going sideways. my tiny backyard is flooded, so undoubtedly there > will be flash flooding around SE Qld tonight. rain is still coming down and > thunder and lightning have already shutdown my computer. just checked the > gauge, we've had 60mm in 20 minutes and rising > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Marguerite Long" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:02:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to our weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop up. I would like comments. Marguerite ----- Original Message ----- From: steve baynham To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm > hi all. > a storm currently north of byron is on its way to the gold coast. > this baby has a massive anvil. the heart of the storm looks to be on the > western side. > its direction is due north. e.t.a maybe 45 mins (2:30) > pink on radar, theweather .com has only detected 1 lightning strike, > energex has nuthing as yet. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Another Warning QLD To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:13:41 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 26/04/2001 05:13:37 PM Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com TOP PRIORITY SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane at 4:55pm EST on Thursday the 26th of April 2001 For the Southeast Coast and southern Wide bay and Burnett District Severe storms near the Gold Coast are tracking slowly northward and could continue to produce heavy rain and local flash flooding. Damaging winds and hail are also possible. Storms near Blackbutt and Toogoolawah are moving slowly eastward and may be severe, with possible damaging winds and hail. People in these areas are advised to secure outside items, move cars under cover and seek shelter. Motorists are advised to avoid driving through flooded crossings, and to observe all caution. The next warning will be issued at 6 pm. ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.108.0.57] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:19:08 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 07:19:08.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F2EC210:01C0CE21] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey, I was wondering just what does this hahaha virus do to your computer? does it go through and delete certain files or is it a trogan horse virus or what? i havent had it sent to me but recently we had our firewall down for a couple of hours and someone we suspect sent us a trogan and in the end having to re-install windows cause we lost our registry... we suspect it could have been from soneone on napster but were not sure... Anyone have any ideas...? Michael Olsen >From: "Marguerite Long" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:02:08 +1000 > >I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to >our >weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is >the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. > >I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have >access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop >up. > >I would like comments. > >Marguerite >----- Original Message ----- >From: steve baynham >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM >Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm > > > > hi all. > > a storm currently north of byron is on its way to the gold coast. > > this baby has a massive anvil. the heart of the storm looks to be on the > > western side. > > its direction is due north. e.t.a maybe 45 mins (2:30) > > pink on radar, theweather .com has only detected 1 lightning strike, > > energex has nuthing as yet. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:26:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Hahaha Virus hides within the email systems of unsuspecting computer users. I have lost the number of times I have received this virus. The only way to deal with it is to have an effective antivirus program, and to delete the email as soon as you get it, from the whole system, not just the inbox. Unfortunately, once it has your email address, it tends to hang around for a long time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marguerite Long" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus > I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to our > weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is > the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. > > I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have > access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop > up. > > I would like comments. > > Marguerite > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve baynham > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM > Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm > > > > hi all. > > a storm currently north of byron is on its way to the gold coast. > > this baby has a massive anvil. the heart of the storm looks to be on the > > western side. > > its direction is due north. e.t.a maybe 45 mins (2:30) > > pink on radar, theweather .com has only detected 1 lightning strike, > > energex has nuthing as yet. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: hdewit at postoffice.sa.bom.gov.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:06:54 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Hank de Wit Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 17:02 26/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: >I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to our >weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is >the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. > >I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have >access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop >up. I agree, although it may be an automatic program that monitors the list through a member account. I also received the virus immediately after sending my first email on this list. Not sure how to deal with it though. It's such an obvious virus that I'm surprised it has been so successful. No-one I know has been stupid enough to open it. Cheers Hank +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Pearce" To: Subject: aus-wx: Blackheath - Gorgeous day, not so boring for me :) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:42:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Absolutely insane day here today, although not much happening weather-wise. I had 17.5C at my place. I love this fine sunny weather as its all part of the ebb and flow but thats just me, others can disagree, that's cool. I tend to agree with Jimmy on the way we talk about stuff here, it should be as positive as possible or maybe as I might say, as kind and respectful as possible. We all deserve that. I've hard my fair share of sh.. in life. Who hasn't? Dead mother and brother and a severely abusive childhood but hey I'm alive and life is wonderful and I get to see snow every year! Whohoo! Thanks again for this list, its a gift, it really is. I have learnt so much. Lindsay Pearce PS: check out my page again, if it interests you, its been revamped. PPS: How lucky are we to live in Oz? Excuse me as I drift off to wax lyrical on my back step... Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW Email: violin at lisp.com.au Blackheath Weather: http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...so where wouldn't you live? > Hi SG and all, > > Please note that my comments were not meant at you SG. > > I am just aware from the nature of this list that a topic as this can > inbreed negative thoughts and I suggested that I will not take part in it. > You can tell the difference from the opposite - just how positive it was. > > What annoys me is that when such an opportunity arises, some people use it > as an excuse to attack or offend others based on a previously unrelated > issue knowing they will react. But then again, we have freedom of speech - > certainly not my cup of tea. What I am saying is some people take the > concept of "freedom of speech" we enjoy to the extreme. > > I can tell anyone, that Adelaide/SA or even SWA in the right conditions can > fire immensely. I have been studying satellite pictures for quite a while > now and other more than me. I can tell you that there have been episodes > that in SA and SWA where massive storms have exploded. I can tell you I > wish I had a chance to go in those areas to chase at those times. And I can > tell you guys in WA and SA, nothing in the past few years approaches such > conditions. It is a matter of time when those conditions will be upon you. > Of course you may have to be willing to chase them if you want to > experience these knowing they may not last long - as I recall only lasting > in episodes of up to 2 - 3 weeks. And then nothing happens from there on. > All over. > > Given the road network of this country, many areas remain unexplored > meteorologically wise. I wish I could be in the areas where the storms or > significant weather occurs to learn more and appreciate them and that > should be the focus of this list. There is nothing to be gained from > negativity and so much to be gained from positive discussions. Keep those > positive thoughts rolling in. > > Anyway, lets look at the positive thoughts again. There is an advice out > for the Northern Tablelands. I was not able to chase today. Oh well. > > Jimmy Deguara > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:54:18 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus From: Mark Hardy To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We believe addresses for the ha ha virus are obtained using an address grabber robot. Everytime we put a new email address on our websites, it is only a matter of time before it is hit with ha ha emails. It is likely that the aussie weather maillist was picked up by the ha ha doods through web links placed on various sites. We have tried to track down the source of this virus but it is impossible as it continuously masquerades from various origins. I doubt it would have been sent by "someone" but more likely software that is searching for addresses and maillists are a great source of new addresses. We get get more than a dozen ha ha mails a day. Our mailserver blocks then but it's still very annoying and the problem seems to be getting worse. > From: "Marguerite Long" > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:02:08 +1000 > To: > Subject: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus > > I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to our > weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is > the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. > > I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have > access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop > up. > > I would like comments. > > Marguerite > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve baynham > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM > Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:00:47 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id EAA01114 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I had been getting it once or twice a day on each of my two email addresses. I rummaged around in my email options, found the kill filter to stop the email being downloaded from my ISP, and made sure that the emails were also deleted from the server. I no longer have any problems. Before that, Norton Antivirus effectively trapped it, but I got sick of clicking away the "Virus Found" screens. Laurier On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:26:31 +1000, "Carolyn" wrote: >The Hahaha Virus hides within the email systems of unsuspecting computer >users. I have lost the number of times I have received this virus. The only >way to deal with it is to have an effective antivirus program, and to delete >the email as soon as you get it, from the whole system, not just the inbox. >Unfortunately, once it has your email address, it tends to hang around for a >long time. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marguerite Long" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:02 PM >Subject: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus > > >> I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to >our >> weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is >> the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. >> >> I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have >> access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop >> up. >> >> I would like comments. >> >> Marguerite >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: steve baynham >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM >> Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm >> >> >> > hi all. >> > a storm currently north of byron is on its way to the gold coast. >> > this baby has a massive anvil. the heart of the storm looks to be on the >> > western side. >> > its direction is due north. e.t.a maybe 45 mins (2:30) >> > pink on radar, theweather .com has only detected 1 lightning strike, >> > energex has nuthing as yet. >> > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your >> > message. >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:34:54 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aus-wx: storm collision Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi guys, just noticed the grafton local loop, a storm that was at casino over an hour ago is heading sse and a storm east of grafton is travelling nne. looks as though the will have an almost head on collision. will be interesting to see what happens to them. they are closing in very quickly oh yeah an answer to don. i am west of burleigh, in stephens there is some occassional flash to my west atm. just more rain by the looks Steve Baynham http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.au.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Radar coverage map Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:22:40 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id FAA05822 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com BoM has put up a radar coverage map on their site at http://www.bom.gov.au/nmoc/archives/Radar/samples/radarmap.gif. Following on from the discussion a few days back about the radar shadow over the NSW South Coast, the map shows that this coastline has the poorest radar coverage in the country, on a par with Esperance-Eucla and the Kimberley coast. Fortunately, it will be greatly improved with the introduction of the Captains Flat and Yarrawonga installations in about one year. If you're interested in which areas of your local radar miss out due to mountains, trees etc. blocking the beam, the map also shows these details, though you might need to get your magnifying glass out. Poorest exposures seem to be Perth, Williamtown, Charleville and Hobart. -- Laurier Williams Australian Weather News & Links http://www.australianweathernews.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: Wet Season kick start..... Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:56:30 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Howdy all - gusty storm just ripped through here! Beautiful gust front, very laminar and lots of scud here there and everywhere! Now ..... whats that about sittin watching cirrus? -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of steve baynham Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:05 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: storm collision hi guys, just noticed the grafton local loop, a storm that was at casino over an hour ago is heading sse and a storm east of grafton is travelling nne. looks as though the will have an almost head on collision. will be interesting to see what happens to them. they are closing in very quickly oh yeah an answer to don. i am west of burleigh, in stephens there is some occassional flash to my west atm. just more rain by the looks Steve Baynham http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.au.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:24:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to our > weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is > the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. > > I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have > access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop > up. > > I would like comments. And a comment you will get... This email is pretty harmless, and will find you one way or another... If you have a good virus program, then you are safe. Don't get paranoid about someone on the list secretly getting email addresses. Just hope that one day someone catches the s'kiddie who wrote this and does naughty things to him. -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: TODAY SHOW INTERVIEW Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:40:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don't you hate that. Was at work and got the family to tape it. Pity they taped the wrong channel!!! Bugger. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carroll" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: TODAY SHOW INTERVIEW > I rang Jimmy straight after interview.. I too thought was brilliant. > As Jimmy said some great footage was used with a great editing team. > > Well Done. > Dave > Bathurst > > Adam Mayo wrote: > > > > Great Interview Jimmy, Hope that they paid you to use your footage!!!!!!! > > > > Judy, Frank, Adam and Maree Mayo. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:37:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I read a tip somewhere but not sure where. As it supposedly "attacks" all users in your address book and sends the virus to them then put your own address in the address book and when you send an email then you'll get one straight back if you are infected. Hope this helps. I have my address in there and haven't got one back. Sounds feasible to me, any ideas others? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marguerite Long" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus > I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to our > weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is > the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. > > I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have > access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop > up. > > I would like comments. > > Marguerite > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve baynham > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM > Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm > > > > hi all. > > a storm currently north of byron is on its way to the gold coast. > > this baby has a massive anvil. the heart of the storm looks to be on the > > western side. > > its direction is due north. e.t.a maybe 45 mins (2:30) > > pink on radar, theweather .com has only detected 1 lightning strike, > > energex has nuthing as yet. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:50:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Michael, you can try looking at the following sites for information on what it does: www.macafee.com www.symantec.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Olsen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus > Hey, > > I was wondering just what does this hahaha virus do to your computer? does > it go through and delete certain files or is it a trogan horse virus or > what? i havent had it sent to me but recently we had our firewall down for a > couple of hours and someone we suspect sent us a trogan and in the end > having to re-install windows cause we lost our registry... we suspect it > could have been from soneone on napster but were not sure... > > Anyone have any ideas...? > > Michael Olsen > > > >From: "Marguerite Long" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus > >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:02:08 +1000 > > > >I have just had to deal with the hahaha virus after posting a message to > >our > >weather list. I have never had this virus before and the weather list is > >the only thing that comes to me on this particular inbox. > > > >I believe it had to have been privately sent by someone who does not have > >access to all the addresses but who lurks on the list for new names to pop > >up. > > > >I would like comments. > > > >Marguerite > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: steve baynham > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM > >Subject: aus-wx: gold coast storm > > > > > > > hi all. > > > a storm currently north of byron is on its way to the gold coast. > > > this baby has a massive anvil. the heart of the storm looks to be on the > > > western side. > > > its direction is due north. e.t.a maybe 45 mins (2:30) > > > pink on radar, theweather .com has only detected 1 lightning strike, > > > energex has nuthing as yet. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.243] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar coverage map Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:55:56 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 09:55:56.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[16BFDE10:01C0CE37] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Laurier, Notice that Most of the Wimmera and southern Mallee (including unfortunately Wycheproof) is not covered...:)) Oh, well...thank god for cameras... Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Radar coverage map >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:22:40 GMT > >BoM has put up a radar coverage map on their site at >http://www.bom.gov.au/nmoc/archives/Radar/samples/radarmap.gif. > >Following on from the discussion a few days back about the radar >shadow over the NSW South Coast, the map shows that this coastline has >the poorest radar coverage in the country, on a par with >Esperance-Eucla and the Kimberley coast. Fortunately, it will be >greatly improved with the introduction of the Captains Flat and >Yarrawonga installations in about one year. > >If you're interested in which areas of your local radar miss out due >to mountains, trees etc. blocking the beam, the map also shows these >details, though you might need to get your magnifying glass out. >Poorest exposures seem to be Perth, Williamtown, Charleville and >Hobart. > >-- >Laurier Williams >Australian Weather News & Links >http://www.australianweathernews.com > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Radar coverage map Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:31:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: ausns1.austasia.net 1.6.2 0/1101/N Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I agree Kevin.......am still waiting for that Doppler out at Horsham........LOL Personally, I would like to see a standard radar out at Horsham. With the ammount of damage to crops over the past 5 years and the risk to the farming industry, I would think that it would be essential, not only for warning the farming community, but also as an early warning for anything heading towards Melbourne. Oh well, we can only dream and hope. PaulY Kevin wrote: Hi Laurier, Notice that Most of the Wimmera and southern Mallee (including unfortunately Wycheproof) is not covered...:)) Oh, well...thank god for cameras... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p46-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.238] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:05:16 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: TODAY SHOW INTERVIEW Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Never mind, you didn't miss much. hehe Jimmy Deguara At 07:40 PM 26/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Don't you hate that. Was at work and got the family to tape it. Pity they >taped the wrong channel!!! Bugger. >Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Carroll" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:46 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: TODAY SHOW INTERVIEW > > > > I rang Jimmy straight after interview.. I too thought was brilliant. > > As Jimmy said some great footage was used with a great editing team. > > > > Well Done. > > Dave > > Bathurst > > > > Adam Mayo wrote: > > > > > > Great Interview Jimmy, Hope that they paid you to use your >footage!!!!!!! > > > > > > Judy, Frank, Adam and Maree Mayo. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p46-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.238] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:12:00 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Forgot to do these reports Hi all, Was going through reports to complete a pile of spotter cards for the Bureau and found I had not completed 2 of my reports. Well here they are although I think most have seen the pics. http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200101-04.htm 16th - 17th January 2001 http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200101-05.htm not much in this one as most spectacular part was the lightning bolts and scud thunder on video. 25th - 26th January 2001 ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 26 Apr 01 21:40:24 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Carolyn! 26 Apr 01 17:26, you wrote to All: C> The Hahaha Virus hides within the email systems of unsuspecting C> computer users. I have lost the number of times I have received this C> virus. The only way to deal with it is to have an effective antivirus C> program, and to delete the email as soon as you get it, from the whole C> system, not just the inbox. Unfortunately, once it has your email C> address, it tends to hang around for a long time. If you run Outlook or Outlook Express, you have to be extremely careful, as if you become infected, you'll be spreading the virus yourself. One good thing about this old DOS setup is that I'm immune to these viruses, as long as I remember to delete the strate attachments that collect around the place. :) Tony, VK3JED .. Keep smiling! It makes people whanvalid Op Code -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet Season kick start..... Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:49:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 11:49:22.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF68CFB0:01C0CE46] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul. I noticed some rather organised activity sitting off the north coast of the top end this morning,appears to be connected to a trough extending from New Guinea,and moving towards the east also I suspect the presence of an pressure outflow set up extending from the Coral Sea,may be the odd storm about tomorrow too. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mossman To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: aus-wx: Wet Season kick start..... > Howdy all - gusty storm just ripped through here! > > Beautiful gust front, very laminar and lots of scud here there and > everywhere! > > Now ..... whats that about sittin watching cirrus? > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of steve baynham > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:05 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: storm collision > > hi guys, > just noticed the grafton local loop, a storm that was at casino over an > hour ago is heading sse and a storm east of grafton is travelling nne. > looks as though the will have an almost head on collision. will be > interesting to see what happens to them. > they are closing in very quickly > oh yeah an answer to don. > i am west of burleigh, in stephens > there is some occassional flash to my west atm. just more rain by the looks > Steve Baynham > http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany > > Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > Brisbane Storm Chasers > http://www.bsch.au.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "fey" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Ha Ha Ha Virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:16:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello All, I did a little search for you and this is what I came up with!! According to my Norton dictionary the Hahaha virus is actually titled W95.Hybris.worm & it affects .COM files. I have had it sent to me about 12 times but each time Norton has quarantined it so I am not sure what it actually does. The Norton dictionary says that it is rare to receive it (yeah right) and apparently it is not any of the following: Polymorphic Memory Resident a Size or Full Stealth virus a Triggered Event or Encrypting For more information visit the following links. This one for the write up http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/w95.hybris.worm.html This one for the definition http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/cgi-bin/virauto.cgi?vid=10850 This one for the technical description http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/w95.hybris.gen.html The technical description lists how you may have received it initally & then distributed it around. Hope your systems survive (lol) Cath +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Ha Ha Ha virus Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:22:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Tony! Yes Outlook seems to be the prefered email carrier for most viruses. I use Outlook Express, and have had very few, just the Hahaha one, and a very good antivirus program. I send emails to lots of people and so far, none have got the virus. But yes, the DOS system is very immune to these problems. But then again, we look at ease compared to safety. :-) Carolyn > > Hello Carolyn! > > 26 Apr 01 17:26, you wrote to All: > > C> The Hahaha Virus hides within the email systems of unsuspecting > C> computer users. I have lost the number of times I have received this > C> virus. The only way to deal with it is to have an effective antivirus > C> program, and to delete the email as soon as you get it, from the whole > C> system, not just the inbox. Unfortunately, once it has your email > C> address, it tends to hang around for a long time. > > If you run Outlook or Outlook Express, you have to be extremely careful, as if > you become infected, you'll be spreading the virus yourself. One good thing > about this old DOS setup is that I'm immune to these viruses, as long as I > remember to delete the strate attachments that collect around the place. :) > > Tony, VK3JED > > .. Keep smiling! It makes people whanvalid Op Code > -- > |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 > |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au > | > | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet Season kick start..... Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:33:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 12:32:58.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[066CEF60:01C0CE4D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul. Woops, I meant to say " west" not east that is, this system is moving west not east.regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: clyve herbert To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet Season kick start..... > Hi Paul. > I noticed some rather organised activity sitting off the north coast of the > top end this morning,appears to be connected to a trough extending from New > Guinea,and moving towards the east also I suspect the presence of an > pressure outflow set up extending from the Coral Sea,may be the odd storm > about tomorrow too. regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mossman > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 7:26 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Wet Season kick start..... > > > > Howdy all - gusty storm just ripped through here! > > > > Beautiful gust front, very laminar and lots of scud here there and > > everywhere! > > > > Now ..... whats that about sittin watching cirrus? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of steve baynham > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:05 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: aus-wx: storm collision > > > > hi guys, > > just noticed the grafton local loop, a storm that was at casino over an > > hour ago is heading sse and a storm east of grafton is travelling nne. > > looks as though the will have an almost head on collision. will be > > interesting to see what happens to them. > > they are closing in very quickly > > oh yeah an answer to don. > > i am west of burleigh, in stephens > > there is some occassional flash to my west atm. just more rain by the > looks > > Steve Baynham > > http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany > > > > Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > Brisbane Storm Chasers > > http://www.bsch.au.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Radar coverage map Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:42:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Personally, I would like to see a standard radar out at Horsham. With the > ammount of damage to crops over the past 5 years and the risk to the farming > industry, I would think that it would be essential, not only for warning the > farming community, but also as an early warning for anything heading towards > Melbourne. As 100% of this household can attest, the huge weather differences that Horsham gets is the norm, and everyone knows it will happen... 40+ degree days, with 50km/h winds and dust storms.... Seen it before... Waking up to find the glass of water beside the bed has a 5mm ice top on it?? Happened last year as well... > Oh well, we can only dream and hope. And unfortunately that's about all that area can do... > PaulY Pauly (ex Horshamite) -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar coverage map Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:02:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Personally, I would like to see a standard radar out at Horsham. With the > > ammount of damage to crops over the past 5 years and the risk to the farming > > industry, I would think that it would be essential, not only for warning the > > farming community, but also as an early warning for anything heading towards > > Melbourne. What about other districts? I personally think other areas should be covered first. There should be two or three in the lower and upper Hunter. I agree the Victoria has a shortage but one must look at VIC/SA border, especially the Greaty Western District, Coonawarra and Barossa Valley regions. There should be at least a dozen in that region. I think we should all take a moment to remember all of the great wine crops lost in storms through these regions. However the smell of a hail damaged grapes though painful to think about, is delightful. :) dann __________________________ Daniel Weatherhead Blaxland, NSW weatherhead at ozemail.com.au SYDNEY STORM CHASERS www.sydneystormchasers.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:15:04 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: very disappointed Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Steve. >that storm and maybe more on the way could not have come at a worse time. >my top computer shat itself yesterday, which i could have bought live >video images, with my new digi vid cam, on the shelf cloud as that storm >approached. so i am using my back up computer, but it is not detecting the >cd rom drive for some stupid reason which only started yesterday aswell. so >i can't install software to download from camera:( i did take some photos >of the shelf cloud with my snappy camera, which i will get back tomorrow >afternoon, but my scanner is still fucked. so i am not a happy man!!!:( >however i will look around for someone who i can use their scanner. >anyone?? carl smith?? >thunder still going >am very sorry about all this!! >oh yeah and i'm stuck with an early version of IE so i can't use ASWA radar >and i can't get on IRC chatroom >bye! > > >Steve Baynham >http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Sorry Steve, but no scanner here, otherwise I would be quite happy to help. Was a neat storm though, came roaring through here, quite a few flangs during the course of it. Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:46:50 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Massive line of storms off the coast of NSW at the moment, lightning from one cell 100km or so off sydney every 15 seconds....would be spectacular from the beach. Not another cloud in the sky and are easily to spot against the sun rising. Im off to work Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Storms Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:58:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes indeed Matt. While I couldn't see the lightning as I run in a southerly direction to get to work in the morning, I leave to run to work at 5:20, the rising sun illuminating the large cumulous and anvils out east of Wollongong was a beautiful sight. After a couple of absolutely spectacular days I think we can only hope to see some good stormy transition days before we settle into the patern that will see winter on the way. A bit of weather such as in Victoria over the weekend and early this week, or Qld last night isn't too big a wish is it?? Andrew Godsman -----Original Message----- From: Matt Smith [mailto:tornado at bigpond.net.au] Sent: Friday, 27 April 2001 5:47 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Storms Massive line of storms off the coast of NSW at the moment, lightning from one cell 100km or so off sydney every 15 seconds....would be spectacular from the beach. Not another cloud in the sky and are easily to spot against the sun rising. Im off to work Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p61-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.125] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:18:07 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: avnplotter slight change has been made Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, There was an error as described earlier. The change has been made to the avnplotter. Other changes will be made down the track. http://australiasevereweather.com/links/avnplotter.exe Thanks for the positive feedback. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Webcam Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:42:17 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I didn't think they could make it any better - but they have.
 
Have a look:
 
 
Les
Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
UK Storm Chasers,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W
www.uksevereweather.org.uk
 
X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p61-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.125] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:58:59 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Storm Chase Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I am going for a little drive up the coast. Anyone wants to tag along, contact me 0408020468. We'll see what happens. It seems the main trough is well off the coast and has some of the stronger storms though I do expect storms will develop along the second trough near Newcastle - which stretches up into Qld.----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Weak wave low,Vic. Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:11:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2001 01:11:53.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B87F390:01C0CEB7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. A check of the sat pic for south-eastern Australia shows what appears to be a small weak wave low just west of Ballarat,although not very well defined its worth keeping a check on over the next 6 hours, also the rather large mid and upper level cloud area over SA looks interesting too and is aligned along the Sub tropical jet and moving eastward should bring some patchy rain to the weather starved SA regions today.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Storms for SEQLD tonight? Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:25:43 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Would someone please make a forecast for SEQLD this afternoon? LI, wind shear, chance of storms? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:23:30 +1000 (AEST) From: Jonty Hall To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: chase today Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Will be out and about today. Targetting the Toowoomba/Dalby/Moonie area. Main area of storms should initiate a bit further west, but lack of inhibition could see convection in situ anywhere really. Not good for visibility, or for maintaining instability. Hopefully enough shear for westward convection to become organised, probably looking squall line at this stage, if anything. So don't think its going to be a huge day, but probably worth a look at this stage in the season. Updates from anybody would be very much appreciated: 0411 096 881 Cheers, jonty. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:48:40 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak wave low,Vic. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve Help me out here a bit. By 'wave low', are you referring to the slight kink that appeared in the cloud band, over the southwestern coast of Victoria??? Here's the IR loop: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_27/vicirloop.gif Cheers On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > Hi all. > A check of the sat pic for south-eastern Australia shows what appears to be > a small weak wave low just west of Ballarat,although not very well defined > its worth keeping a check on over the next 6 hours, also the rather large -- Robert A. Goler E-mail Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Weak wave low,Vic. Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:47:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > A check of the sat pic for south-eastern Australia shows what appears to be > a small weak wave low just west of Ballarat,although not very well defined > its worth keeping a check on over the next 6 hours, also the rather large > mid and upper level cloud area over SA looks interesting too and is aligned > along the Sub tropical jet and moving eastward should bring some patchy rain > to the weather starved SA regions today.regards Clyve Herbert. Rain radar looks like it's got nothing in it, although it is building as it goes... Which is good.. Give us a chance to drain away the excess floodwater before we add to it! -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Weak wave low,Vic. Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:59:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Local radar isn't reading at the moment. Watch the broad if anything. 10-20mm/hr in Abbotsford. Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Paul Mirtschin Sent: Friday, 27 April 2001 11:48 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Weak wave low,Vic. > A check of the sat pic for south-eastern Australia shows what appears to be > a small weak wave low just west of Ballarat,although not very well defined > its worth keeping a check on over the next 6 hours, also the rather large > mid and upper level cloud area over SA looks interesting too and is aligned > along the Sub tropical jet and moving eastward should bring some patchy rain > to the weather starved SA regions today.regards Clyve Herbert. Rain radar looks like it's got nothing in it, although it is building as it goes... Which is good.. Give us a chance to drain away the excess floodwater before we add to it! -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.4] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Webcam Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:21:54 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2001 03:21:55.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[35B2EA00:01C0CEC9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Les, I think the problem is that it is no longer a "real time" image. At the moment it is showing a nice panorama with lots of blue sky. At the same time my radar and satellite pictures are telling me that is is overcast with a band of moderate rain passing over. Pity - it was a good site. Patrick >From: "Les Crossan" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Webcam > >I didn't think they could make it any better - but they have. > >Have a look: > >http://www.omni-cam.com/Default.htm#menu > >Les >Les Crossan & Christine Challen, >UK Storm Chasers, >Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W >www.uksevereweather.org.uk > >Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: developments around Melbourne. Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:11:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It might not be quite as spectacular as what is happening in the northern states, but the Melbourne radar and local satellite pictures show the rapid development of an area of rain, with embed convective activity on a meso-scale wave on the weakening front. There is the indication that a meso-scale low has formed on this front, which until three hours ago looked like it could be rainless in Melbourne. Interestingly, this has been missed entirely by the models, and to tell the truth no simple explanation comes to mind as to what has caused this sudden small scale development. Small scale features like this tend to highly transient in nature, but with its relatively slow rate of movement, and relatively high rainfall rates, there is the potential for some moderate (10mm+ falls). It is always "fun" to see the models fail at short notice occasionally. Cheers, David Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak wave low,Vic. Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:17:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Melbourne broad seems to be out of whack too. Just like this operator......... :-)) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Weak wave low,Vic. > Local radar isn't reading at the moment. Watch the broad if anything. > 10-20mm/hr in Abbotsford. > > Jane > > --------------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > --------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Paul > Mirtschin > Sent: Friday, 27 April 2001 11:48 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Weak wave low,Vic. > > > > A check of the sat pic for south-eastern Australia shows what appears to > be > > a small weak wave low just west of Ballarat,although not very well defined > > its worth keeping a check on over the next 6 hours, also the rather large > > mid and upper level cloud area over SA looks interesting too and is > aligned > > along the Sub tropical jet and moving eastward should bring some patchy > rain > > to the weather starved SA regions today.regards Clyve Herbert. > > Rain radar looks like it's got nothing in it, although it is building as it > goes... Which is good.. Give us a chance to drain away the excess floodwater > before we add to it! > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Designer - Writer > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Everybody is somebody else's freak > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re-write of TDU2K report Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:55:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com After visiting Amos Magliocco's storm chasing website.... http://www.blacklandprairie.net/weather.htm ....I realised what I liked about his logs and what was lacking in mine. Simply put it was the writing style. I realised that my TDU2K was a dry narrative, not very descriptive or interesting to anybody outside storm chasing ( or perhaps inside ) Inspired I did a few reworks on the writing style, hopefully more human and expressive, but at the same time no bulldust and still scientific. If you want to see if it works go to http://ozthunder.com/chase/tdu2k_1.htm Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Victorian webcam update Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:09:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all from the foggy east, Debbie Parker has provided these 2 sites which have 8 new webcams courtesy of the Victorian Cheannels Authority - 4 in the docklands of Melbourne, & 4 at the entrance to Port Phillip Bay - yes, you do see more water than sky but they are still pretty useful!! http://www.vicchannels.vic.gov.au/web_lighthouse.asp http://www.vicchannels.vic.gov.au/web_shipping.asp The Melbourne webcam is undergoing some work atm - don't despair - it will be back at http://www.omni-cam.com/ The images you see are from a couple of summers ago - definitely not this morning! Enjoy! -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:16:13 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: chase today & Thursday Chase Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jonty, I hope you had better luck than me! I stayed at Toowoomba on Thursday night after chasing in the Downs, and I was going to target the Dalby-Millmeran-Toowoomba area (I didn't want to go further west as the areas get a little too treed in). In the morning, I went to survey damage from a storm I experienced on Thursday (~100km/h winds, and flash flooding, there were 3 trees down and lots of large branches down around the place). I actually got stone chips on the side of my car, as the wind kicked up stones from the side of the road! I'd never felt the car rock so much, it was almost disconcerting! Anyway, after that I was keeping an eye on the weak CJ's to the west - they weren't doing that much, so I made my way to Millmeran, I got caught up in some heavy rain and squally winds (only 20-25kn), but that was it. There were some nice rumbles of thunder from this line (and the odd curious lowering), but from where I was it was disappointing, it seemed that everything was just taking too long to develop, so it never was able to fully get going and tap into the energy. AC Jonty Hall wrote: > > Hi all, > > Will be out and about today. Targetting the Toowoomba/Dalby/Moonie area. > Main area of storms should initiate a bit further west, but lack of > inhibition could see convection in situ anywhere really. Not good for > visibility, or for maintaining instability. Hopefully enough shear for > westward convection to become organised, probably looking squall line at > this stage, if anything. So don't think its going to be a huge day, but > probably worth a look at this stage in the season. > > Updates from anybody would be very much appreciated: 0411 096 881 > > Cheers, > > jonty. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria May meeting Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:22:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The next ASWA Victoria meeting will be held at the Pancake Parlour in Doncaster on Saturday May 19th beginning with breakfast at 8.30am. As well as a discussion & report on the rain event from earlier this week, our guest speaker will be Rob Gell, who will present a talk titled "So what does 'Fine' really mean?" It'll be a busy meeting so please join us early!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Paul Yole - Murtoa pyole at australia.edu ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Victoria's rain event Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:17:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I've put up some images relating to this week's record-pushing rain event in Victoria at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/0422rain.htm So far I've included MSL's, JCU IR images, an IIR loop, gmsd (but not enough), radar loops, upper charts & soundings. If anyone has saved any other images during this period, please email me & I will include them as well. It's linked from the April 2001 Forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report page at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/apr01.htm Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:01:29 +1000 (AEST) From: Jonty Hall To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: chase today & Thursday Chase Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Anthony, We had very similar experiences. Perhaps that's because we did virtually the same thing! Arrived in Toowoomba at about 2:30 in the middle of a weak storm. A good rain producer though, most of the roads through the city had a fair bit of water over them, although the drainage didn't appear to be up to much. Seemed to be fairly strong cold pools associated with these storms - temp of ~17C in the wake of it. Not too surprising I guess when storm relative mid level winds are close to nothing - perhaps the midlevels were also a little drier than expected. Once out to the west of Toowoomba, we saw the back of a line of weak, outflow dominated storms which we were not inclined to stick with. Decided to head west towards the trough line and greater (progged) instability through Pittsworth to Millmeran, and encountered the same thunderstorms out there that you did. As you say, the forest fights back once through Millmeran, although we did manage to find a clear area about 40 km further on towards Goondiwindi and saw what we had driven through. Once again, not particularly imressive. Updrafts looked very weak, and although there were some interesting base features with a low LCL as you say Anthony, they were short lived, and certainly no rotation was ever evident. A rather disappointing day, although that was not really unexpected with the lack of inhibition and almost complete absense of any low level wind field!! The day was saved somewhat by the dinner we had at the Captain's Mountain roadhouse. If you like your rump steak, this is the place for you - I swear they just run out the back, cut a cow in half, cook it up and whack it on your plate (hanging over the edge on all sides). This was a serious steak, and bloody nice too. Very impressed!! As far as today goes, it looks like a pretty similar sort of deal, although 850 winds are progged to increase to 10 to 20 knots from the SE with the SE surge, leaving an interesting veering profile up to 500 - a little unusual - it may be a better day today. Not convinced it is going to happen with the winds mind you, but some low level cold air advection and subsidence might be enough to discourage the weak early convection removing all the instability. Remains to be seen. Cheers, Jonty. On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Anthony Cornelius wrote: > Hi Jonty, > > I hope you had better luck than me! I stayed at Toowoomba on Thursday > night after chasing in the Downs, and I was going to target the > Dalby-Millmeran-Toowoomba area (I didn't want to go further west as the > areas get a little too treed in). In the morning, I went to survey > damage from a storm I experienced on Thursday (~100km/h winds, and flash > flooding, there were 3 trees down and lots of large branches down around > the place). I actually got stone chips on the side of my car, as the > wind kicked up stones from the side of the road! I'd never felt the car > rock so much, it was almost disconcerting! > > Anyway, after that I was keeping an eye on the weak CJ's to the west - > they weren't doing that much, so I made my way to Millmeran, I got > caught up in some heavy rain and squally winds (only 20-25kn), but that > was it. There were some nice rumbles of thunder from this line (and the > odd curious lowering), but from where I was it was disappointing, it > seemed that everything was just taking too long to develop, so it never > was able to fully get going and tap into the energy. > > AC > > Jonty Hall wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Will be out and about today. Targetting the Toowoomba/Dalby/Moonie area. > > Main area of storms should initiate a bit further west, but lack of > > inhibition could see convection in situ anywhere really. Not good for > > visibility, or for maintaining instability. Hopefully enough shear for > > westward convection to become organised, probably looking squall line at > > this stage, if anything. So don't think its going to be a huge day, but > > probably worth a look at this stage in the season. > > > > Updates from anybody would be very much appreciated: 0411 096 881 > > > > Cheers, > > > > jonty. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 28 Apr 01 22:42:00 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria May meeting Organization: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Cc: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com *** Answering a msg posted in area ECHO100 (OZ-WEATHER1). Hello Jane! 28 Apr 01 11:22, Jane ONeill wrote to Aussie-wx: JO> The next ASWA Victoria meeting will be held at the Pancake Parlour in JO> Doncaster on Saturday May 19th beginning with breakfast at 8.30am. Are there ever any events for interested persons that are more friendly to thhose who use Saturday mornings to recover from the week? :) And the idea of going out for breakfast doesn't help me, I can't leave home without it. :) Was talking about this issue with Max up in Sydney, as he mentioned their meetings are at a more convenient time of day. Pity I missed it by a week. :-( I'm also going to give him some more info on some of the gear here at some stage, but the idea of being able to send pictures via radio over long distances was of interest. :-) Anyway, catch you round. Tony, VK3JED .. Lynch's Law: When the going gets tough, everybody leaves. --- GoldED/W32 3.0.1 -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "DroughtMaster" To: "Weather group" Subject: aus-wx: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:09:41 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
first off all hello
Apart from some abscure post i have been mainly a lurker and i would like to say greetingz or nan noo from where ever you are from.
My interest in weather or severe weather stems from being up in the north west of west aust Tom Price and Port Hedland-Finucan Island and also Koolan Island
( hmmm growing up there realy )
ive seen servere cyclones ( ah dont ask me there names cause id be lieing ) didnt care then realy.But now i have realized the importance of early noticing of stormy weather and the havic it can reack .......i dont chase storms  ( i know better ; ) but i do believe in early warning and pubilic awarness
 
anyways storms are almost here bring on the winter
regards
Droughtmaster from mandurah
 

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Embedded Content: weather.jpg: 00000001,388f42b3,00000000,00000000 From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Twister Tour TV show on National Geographic 7.30pm Sunday Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:21:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think this is only the second time this has aired. I caught the last half on its premiere back earlier this month. It follows one of those chase tour operations that runs in the mid west from April to June.. I will leave you to decide yourself about the tour operator. Believe me I have the patience of a saint but his barking orders would have had me ready to knock his block off. Then again I suppose when you are in a dangerous situation of too close, as with one scene and you have a car load of tourists who don't know a wall cloud from a piece of Wollongong stratocumulus, it may be the only way. Notice that many of the tourists were British. With that almighty pound in your pocket the world is at your disposal. 7.30pm tonight ( Sunday ) on National Geographic channel. ( Foxtel and Austar I think ) Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:49:55 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jonty and all, One of the main problems I see with the current supercell model, is that I cannot see how it applies to *all* situations. Perhaps a supercell model that covers all situations doesn't exist - rather, there are several ways that supercells/mesocyclones occur and none actually cover a broad range. But certainly I can see how it can be applies to some situations when the shear is "right." I think one of the most interesting correlations I've seen is the CAPE and SRH graph, with tornado occurrences plotted on it for a certain region. The higher the CAPE (measure of instability), the less SRH (measure of speed & directional shear) was needed. Alternatively, the higher the SRH, the lower the CAPE that was needed. I believe they also plotted EHI on this as well (which is a combination of these two with a scaling factor). I believe that most of the study of supercell and tornado models has been done in the US, hence a lot of these models are bias towards "normal" US tornado situations. Where as other tornado producing situations (particularly in Australia), aren't studied nearly as much in depth. I personally also believe that Australian supercells tend to develop in higher CAPE's, hence I guess my slant on adding convection into the process of mesocyclongenesis. In Australia, shear is not normally as strong and directional as in the US. So we need increased instability to help offset it (ie, like a trade-off, I believe the SRH/CAPE tradeoff discussion took place a long time ago here!) Returning to the favour to Macca (aka getting him back for his dirty deed :) - he mentioned to me what I thought was a very logical and good explanation to why shear isn't as good. In particular, the low levels (upper level wind shear can be comparable between the two areas), but in many storm outbreaks, a substantial low pressure system is present with them. In Australia, we get weak lows (ie, 1000-1008hPa) and troughs for many of our storm outbreaks. In the US they seem to frequent in the high 900's, and this of course gives strong pressure gradients in the low levels, helping out with the low level shear. AC Jonty Hall wrote: > > Hi all, > > This is a really interesting discussion - hopefully I can add a few > relevent comments and criticisms. > > As stated, the current "definition" of a supercell requires the presence > of a mesocyclone. However, many other modes of convection (as Anthony > states, even coastal shower cu) may possess rotation on the scale of a > mesocyclone (typically, 1 or 2 km). But these are not normally as intense > (usually measured by shear or maximum differential velocity) or as > long-lived as the meso circulations associated with supercellular > convection. Hence most supercell definitions try to take this into account > by setting some arbitrary threshold of mesocyclone intensity. > > The theory of vortex-tube tilting and stretching in the updraught is a > well accepted one, and has been reasonably well proven by observations and > modelling to explain the formation of _mid-level_ mesocyclones. However, > the presence of a mid-level meso, no matter how intense or long-lived it > is, is certainly no guarantee of tornadogenesis. Far from it. Probably as > many or more that 90% of storms with mid-level rotation do not produce > tornadoes. With the presence of a low-level meso (which reduces the data > set a lot), the figure reduces to perhaps 50%. The theory of low-level > mesogenesis is a little different, and entails the baroclinic generation > of horizontal vorticity in the inflow air which approaches the storm along > the outflow boundary (basically, the temperature gradient, or more > correctly the density gradient, between the warm ambient air and the cold > outflow of the storm, or a neighbouring storm, produces rotation about a > horizontal axis - also known as solenoidal production). This is then > tilted and stretched by the updraft. Why do some storms with low-level > mesos produce a tornado while others do not? That is probably one of the > hottest questions in the severe storm research community at present, and > is not known. > > One very important aspect of the theory you have overlooked, is the > production of dynamic (ie non buoyant) pressure gradients due to the > mid-level rotation. Basically, (in the southern hemisphere) a cyclonically > rotating mid-level vortex will produce an area of lower pressure on its > left flank, and higher pressure on its right. This contribution to updraft > strength can be as large or even larger than the buoyancy contribution in > high shear/low buoyancy environments. The stronger the shear, the stronger > the dynamic lift. > > One other crucial factor to bear in mind is the representativeness of > observations. It is all very well to say here's some convection in a low > shear environment, however this is usually based on one or two soundings, > or global model output. Neither of these can hope to resolve the plethora > of small scale boundaries in the atmosphere (examples include sea-breeze > circulations, outflow boundaries from previous convection, and even > differential heating along a cloud boundary). However, these very > boundaries can be extremely important sources of ambient horizontal and > (perhaps less importantly) vertical shear. All of which is available for > tilting and stretching in a strong updraft. If the storm in question > happens to be moving along the boundary, rather than across it, this > ambient vorticity may be available to it for an extended period. I'm not > aware of the background of the Geelong case you mention Macca, but this > may be a plausible explanation. There are many examples of days in which > observed and forecast shear was weak, SRH vitually zero and yet supercells > occurred. A recent study in the states (can't recall the reference off > the top of my head) documented a typical large variation of 0-3km storm > relative helicity over quite small distances - certainly much smaller than > the sounding network of global models could resolve. > > I think it is important at this stage to keep conceptual models of > supercells/mesocyclones and tornadoes well apart. We do not know how one > fits in with the other at this stage. With something like 2 orders of > magnitude difference in diameter, it is quite plausible that factors > important in the formation and maintenance of one may not be as important > in the other. The fact that we are only just beginning to get our hands > on quality 3-D observations of tornadic circulations means that the > understanding is merely in its infancy. You can do all the modelling you > like, but without observational verification, you're never going to know > how well you're doing - whether you are resolving important phenomena or > your assumptions are plausible etc. This large difference in scale is a > big problem for the modelling community to overcome. Some very recent > studies are attempting to relate tornadogenesis and non-tornadogenesis to > the thermodynamic characteristics of the rear flank downdraught - there > seems to be some promise here. > > I hope that keeps the interest going in this discussion! I'll probably > think of something else soon, but I'll add that later! > > Cheers, > > Jonty. > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p85-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.85] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:55:14 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony and others, I tend to agree with this lower level jet theory and recently Andrew and I discussed this on ICQ. I feel that we tend to not have the lower level jet of say 30km/hr or more backed up by a wall of westerly winds with a trough or dry line. Our best situations are the trough lines enclosed in a low as Anthony describes. I also feel that to an extent that chasing on the plains around Moree and north and south from there would be interesting to test out. Since chasing has been going, we rarely have had the so called typical conditions that would favour the plains around there which in my opinion would get closer to the conditions that is observed in the US. I think the NW winds feeding in a trough preceded by NE winds are also in interesting scenario with a got jet aloft. In other words a convergence zone. However great this season was for NSW storm wise, I feel that only perhaps one or two systems tended to approach the conditions like some of the weaker outbreaks in the US and they were early November and early December. The early November outbreak in particular even before the Sydney tornado saw some amazing outflow boundary activities on two consecutive days as well as some massive storms. But what happened out there??? One prime example of a system that did produce a lower level consistent fresh to strong jet was the night Mudgee event 26th September 2000. We observed a major funnel and possible tornado if it touched down on some of the hilltops south of Mudgee. Certainly a fair bit of damage but unclear if we had surveyed the correct areas. Of course there was a classic supercell followed by a second supercell within the complex. If people recall the inflow is what really make me take notice - something I hadn't observed in Sydney for up to 10 years or more. It was strong enough to blow over the tripods with camera gear on top. Another example I liked was the one in WNSW and SA in August if I recall correctly - one produced a tornado in Melbourne suburbs. Who knows what happened in the Northern Victoria and WNSW. Also I recall another system that also occurred in August in eastern SA where you had nice isolated massive supercells in a north - south line. I know Anthony and I drooled over them on ICQ. Perhaps these are the systems that are producing the major tornadoes with so much heat available and certainly with a little bit of moisture. Out there though, you don't have a plain forget chasing. Yes we do match it with supercells and some spectacular ones in that. We match it with hailstones well lets say similar - perhaps slightly less frequent. But we do not match it with the frequency or intensity of tornadoes. I think having gone out on some big days and failing to get clear cut cases of tornadoes... ie not straining the eyes so to speak and more or less speculative. When we begin to get the lowering and touch down and dustwhirl activity then we can start comparing. I think the lifting condensation level has a lot to do with this being usually higher. Anyway, time will tell what we can observe over the next few years. I think it is a matter of time before somebody nets a good tornado and then we can study what sort of system produced it. Jimmy Deguara At 02:49 PM 29/04/01 +1000, Anthony Cornelius wrote: >Hi Jonty and all, > >One of the main problems I see with the current supercell model, is that >I cannot see how it applies to *all* situations. Perhaps a supercell >model that covers all situations doesn't exist - rather, there are >several ways that supercells/mesocyclones occur and none actually cover >a broad range. > >But certainly I can see how it can be applies to some situations when >the shear is "right." I think one of the most interesting correlations >I've seen is the CAPE and SRH graph, with tornado occurrences plotted on >it for a certain region. The higher the CAPE (measure of instability), >the less SRH (measure of speed & directional shear) was needed. >Alternatively, the higher the SRH, the lower the CAPE that was needed. >I believe they also plotted EHI on this as well (which is a combination >of these two with a scaling factor). > >I believe that most of the study of supercell and tornado models has >been done in the US, hence a lot of these models are bias towards >"normal" US tornado situations. Where as other tornado producing >situations (particularly in Australia), aren't studied nearly as much in >depth. I personally also believe that Australian supercells tend to >develop in higher CAPE's, hence I guess my slant on adding convection >into the process of mesocyclongenesis. In Australia, shear is not >normally as strong and directional as in the US. So we need increased >instability to help offset it (ie, like a trade-off, I believe the >SRH/CAPE tradeoff discussion took place a long time ago here!) >Returning to the favour to Macca (aka getting him back for his dirty >deed :) - he mentioned to me what I thought was a very logical and good >explanation to why shear isn't as good. In particular, the low levels >(upper level wind shear can be comparable between the two areas), but in >many storm outbreaks, a substantial low pressure system is present with >them. In Australia, we get weak lows (ie, 1000-1008hPa) and troughs for >many of our storm outbreaks. In the US they seem to frequent in the >high 900's, and this of course gives strong pressure gradients in the >low levels, helping out with the low level shear. > >AC > >Jonty Hall wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > This is a really interesting discussion - hopefully I can add a few > > relevent comments and criticisms. > > > > As stated, the current "definition" of a supercell requires the presence > > of a mesocyclone. However, many other modes of convection (as Anthony > > states, even coastal shower cu) may possess rotation on the scale of a > > mesocyclone (typically, 1 or 2 km). But these are not normally as intense > > (usually measured by shear or maximum differential velocity) or as > > long-lived as the meso circulations associated with supercellular > > convection. Hence most supercell definitions try to take this into account > > by setting some arbitrary threshold of mesocyclone intensity. > > > > The theory of vortex-tube tilting and stretching in the updraught is a > > well accepted one, and has been reasonably well proven by observations and > > modelling to explain the formation of _mid-level_ mesocyclones. However, > > the presence of a mid-level meso, no matter how intense or long-lived it > > is, is certainly no guarantee of tornadogenesis. Far from it. Probably as > > many or more that 90% of storms with mid-level rotation do not produce > > tornadoes. With the presence of a low-level meso (which reduces the data > > set a lot), the figure reduces to perhaps 50%. The theory of low-level > > mesogenesis is a little different, and entails the baroclinic generation > > of horizontal vorticity in the inflow air which approaches the storm along > > the outflow boundary (basically, the temperature gradient, or more > > correctly the density gradient, between the warm ambient air and the cold > > outflow of the storm, or a neighbouring storm, produces rotation about a > > horizontal axis - also known as solenoidal production). This is then > > tilted and stretched by the updraft. Why do some storms with low-level > > mesos produce a tornado while others do not? That is probably one of the > > hottest questions in the severe storm research community at present, and > > is not known. > > > > One very important aspect of the theory you have overlooked, is the > > production of dynamic (ie non buoyant) pressure gradients due to the > > mid-level rotation. Basically, (in the southern hemisphere) a cyclonically > > rotating mid-level vortex will produce an area of lower pressure on its > > left flank, and higher pressure on its right. This contribution to updraft > > strength can be as large or even larger than the buoyancy contribution in > > high shear/low buoyancy environments. The stronger the shear, the stronger > > the dynamic lift. > > > > One other crucial factor to bear in mind is the representativeness of > > observations. It is all very well to say here's some convection in a low > > shear environment, however this is usually based on one or two soundings, > > or global model output. Neither of these can hope to resolve the plethora > > of small scale boundaries in the atmosphere (examples include sea-breeze > > circulations, outflow boundaries from previous convection, and even > > differential heating along a cloud boundary). However, these very > > boundaries can be extremely important sources of ambient horizontal and > > (perhaps less importantly) vertical shear. All of which is available for > > tilting and stretching in a strong updraft. If the storm in question > > happens to be moving along the boundary, rather than across it, this > > ambient vorticity may be available to it for an extended period. I'm not > > aware of the background of the Geelong case you mention Macca, but this > > may be a plausible explanation. There are many examples of days in which > > observed and forecast shear was weak, SRH vitually zero and yet supercells > > occurred. A recent study in the states (can't recall the reference off > > the top of my head) documented a typical large variation of 0-3km storm > > relative helicity over quite small distances - certainly much smaller than > > the sounding network of global models could resolve. > > > > I think it is important at this stage to keep conceptual models of > > supercells/mesocyclones and tornadoes well apart. We do not know how one > > fits in with the other at this stage. With something like 2 orders of > > magnitude difference in diameter, it is quite plausible that factors > > important in the formation and maintenance of one may not be as important > > in the other. The fact that we are only just beginning to get our hands > > on quality 3-D observations of tornadic circulations means that the > > understanding is merely in its infancy. You can do all the modelling you > > like, but without observational verification, you're never going to know > > how well you're doing - whether you are resolving important phenomena or > > your assumptions are plausible etc. This large difference in scale is a > > big problem for the modelling community to overcome. Some very recent > > studies are attempting to relate tornadogenesis and non-tornadogenesis to > > the thermodynamic characteristics of the rear flank downdraught - there > > seems to be some promise here. > > > > I hope that keeps the interest going in this discussion! I'll probably > > think of something else soon, but I'll add that later! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jonty. > > > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, McDonald wrote: > > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:35:11 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Dad (aka) Jimmy, I think one could case scenario that I would call a typical US situation would be the tornado outbreak on the 29th of September, 1996. For those with Storm News dating back to then, check out issues 6 and 7 (in particular page 9 of issue 6), or goto the website at: http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/1996/docs/9609-01.htm And check out the MSLA! A 979hPa low moving into Western Vic, extending a large front over inland NSW and QLD, with a trough further ahead of this. A large region is under 1000hPa - note the NE and NW winds on the trough as Jimmy as suggested too. One would anticipate a strong low level jet in this case, and a very nice mid-upper jet, and supporting cold air! While it's difficult to guage completely, looking at the MSL, I would expect a joining of the PJ (polar jet) and STJ (sub-tropical jet) to the west of the low, moving to the north of the low's centre axis, and splitting around the high in the south Tasman. The STJ would have probably connected with the other front in the far east, and the PJ would have curved back towards the south in a highly meridional pattern. So no doubt it was a very significant system! And perhaps unusual, at least unusual in recent times (but I won't get into the 20-40's, and 60's debate at this stage!) It is something I would expect to see in the US, most lows tend to slip SE of Australia, especially the more intense ones. Sometimes these intense lows that slip the SE produce smaller/weaker lows over Vic and NSW but these aren't nearly on the same scale as a low such as this one! I certainly believe that Australia is no stranger to supercells and tornadoes - in fact, I believe that supercell numbers may in fact be comparable! But it seems that Australian supercells don't produce as many tornadoes as US ones (perhaps we're looking in the wrong place? Perhaps us Aussies place too much emphasis on the US?) I think the latter does play a part in this, but I think that quite a few Australian supercells tend to be orientated towards HP status, over say classic status. Again it is difficult to say this explicitly because of the limited number of chases in the inland regions. There are a plethora of factors that contribute to tornadoes not being seen by chasers (road network doesn't help for one!) But there's hardly any of us out in the inland regions. In the US, there are hundreds! As I said before, I think our instability tends to be slightly higher, we get large tongues of very moist surface air that still proceed to enter trough areas, with breakable caps - even during summer. But this extra moisture would tend to produce HP setups, over classic setups. Especially in NSW and QLD (more so in QLD). NSW would be somewhat mixed and it would vary on situations. I'm sure I'll raise a few eyebrows here if I say I think that Victoria (and parts of southern NSW), are perhaps the most prone areas to classic supercells. They can still get the moisture, but not as high as further north. However, they have colder air temperatures and (generally) better shear conditions to help balance out this effect. It just seems the further south seems to actually be more prone to the US type events - which is to be expected given that most of the US' land mass is above 30N! In a way, large parts of N NSW and QLD "don't exist" in the US - and they could potentially (and I believe do) play by a totally different set of rules. AC Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi Anthony and others, > > I tend to agree with this lower level jet theory and recently Andrew and I > discussed this on ICQ. I feel that we tend to not have the lower level jet > of say 30km/hr or more backed up by a wall of westerly winds with a trough > or dry line. Our best situations are the trough lines enclosed in a low as > Anthony describes. I also feel that to an extent that chasing on the plains > around Moree and north and south from there would be interesting to test > out. Since chasing has been going, we rarely have had the so called typical > conditions that would favour the plains around there which in my opinion > would get closer to the conditions that is observed in the US. I think the > NW winds feeding in a trough preceded by NE winds are also in interesting > scenario with a got jet aloft. In other words a convergence zone. > > However great this season was for NSW storm wise, I feel that only perhaps > one or two systems tended to approach the conditions like some of the > weaker outbreaks in the US and they were early November and early December. > The early November outbreak in particular even before the Sydney tornado > saw some amazing outflow boundary activities on two consecutive days as > well as some massive storms. But what happened out there??? > > One prime example of a system that did produce a lower level consistent > fresh to strong jet was the night Mudgee event 26th September 2000. We > observed a major funnel and possible tornado if it touched down on some of > the hilltops south of Mudgee. Certainly a fair bit of damage but unclear if > we had surveyed the correct areas. Of course there was a classic supercell > followed by a second supercell within the complex. If people recall the > inflow is what really make me take notice - something I hadn't observed in > Sydney for up to 10 years or more. It was strong enough to blow over the > tripods with camera gear on top. Another example I liked was the one in > WNSW and SA in August if I recall correctly - one produced a tornado in > Melbourne suburbs. Who knows what happened in the Northern Victoria and > WNSW. Also I recall another system that also occurred in August in eastern > SA where you had nice isolated massive supercells in a north - south line. > I know Anthony and I drooled over them on ICQ. Perhaps these are the > systems that are producing the major tornadoes with so much heat available > and certainly with a little bit of moisture. Out there though, you don't > have a plain forget chasing. > > Yes we do match it with supercells and some spectacular ones in that. We > match it with hailstones well lets say similar - perhaps slightly less > frequent. But we do not match it with the frequency or intensity of > tornadoes. I think having gone out on some big days and failing to get > clear cut cases of tornadoes... ie not straining the eyes so to speak and > more or less speculative. When we begin to get the lowering and touch down > and dustwhirl activity then we can start comparing. I think the lifting > condensation level has a lot to do with this being usually higher. > > Anyway, time will tell what we can observe over the next few years. I think > it is a matter of time before somebody nets a good tornado and then we can > study what sort of system produced it. > > Jimmy Deguara -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: aus-wx: national geo on optus vision WOW Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:14:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com im tapeing this show abouut twisters it GREAT!!!! the tour guides a bit of a %&*( but the show is great if u want a copy email me direct to mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au :)))) this is sooo good +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:39:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There have been a few good points raised in this thread. The point about supercell research being mostly based on the US experience is valid. I do personally believe we have a slightly different animal. After watching hours of US videos on supercells and tornadoes I have come to a few conclusions. Here are some, and AC and JD have already touched on most.- Our middle layers are often too moist. Our caps often too weak. We are not 45'S, I know it is rather obvious, but it is a point too often overlooked. We often get supercell outbreaks over a massive geographic area. Occasionally even greater area I dare say then big outbreaks in the US. Michael > I think one could case scenario that I would call a typical US situation > would be the tornado outbreak on the 29th of September, 1996. For those > with Storm News dating back to then, check out issues 6 and 7 (in > particular page 9 of issue 6), or goto the website at: > > http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/1996/docs/9609-01.htm > > And check out the MSLA! A 979hPa low moving into Western Vic, extending > a large front over inland NSW and QLD, with a trough further ahead of > this. A large region is under 1000hPa - note the NE and NW winds on the > trough as Jimmy as suggested too. > > One would anticipate a strong low level jet in this case, and a very > nice mid-upper jet, and supporting cold air! While it's difficult to > guage completely, looking at the MSL, I would expect a joining of the PJ > (polar jet) and STJ (sub-tropical jet) to the west of the low, moving to > the north of the low's centre axis, and splitting around the high in the > south Tasman. The STJ would have probably connected with the other > front in the far east, and the PJ would have curved back towards the > south in a highly meridional pattern. > > So no doubt it was a very significant system! And perhaps unusual, at > least unusual in recent times (but I won't get into the 20-40's, and > 60's debate at this stage!) > > It is something I would expect to see in the US, most lows tend to slip > SE of Australia, especially the more intense ones. Sometimes these > intense lows that slip the SE produce smaller/weaker lows over Vic and > NSW but these aren't nearly on the same scale as a low such as this one! > > I certainly believe that Australia is no stranger to supercells and > tornadoes - in fact, I believe that supercell numbers may in fact be > comparable! But it seems that Australian supercells don't produce as > many tornadoes as US ones (perhaps we're looking in the wrong place? > Perhaps us Aussies place too much emphasis on the US?) I think the > latter does play a part in this, but I think that quite a few Australian > supercells tend to be orientated towards HP status, over say classic > status. Again it is difficult to say this explicitly because of the > limited number of chases in the inland regions. There are a plethora of > factors that contribute to tornadoes not being seen by chasers (road > network doesn't help for one!) But there's hardly any of us out in the > inland regions. In the US, there are hundreds! > > As I said before, I think our instability tends to be slightly higher, > we get large tongues of very moist surface air that still proceed to > enter trough areas, with breakable caps - even during summer. But this > extra moisture would tend to produce HP setups, over classic setups. > Especially in NSW and QLD (more so in QLD). NSW would be somewhat mixed > and it would vary on situations. I'm sure I'll raise a few eyebrows > here if I say I think that Victoria (and parts of southern NSW), are > perhaps the most prone areas to classic supercells. They can still get > the moisture, but not as high as further north. However, they have > colder air temperatures and (generally) better shear conditions to help > balance out this effect. It just seems the further south seems to > actually be more prone to the US type events - which is to be expected > given that most of the US' land mass is above 30N! In a way, large > parts of N NSW and QLD "don't exist" in the US - and they could > potentially (and I believe do) play by a totally different set of rules. > > AC > > Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > Hi Anthony and others, > > > > I tend to agree with this lower level jet theory and recently Andrew and I > > discussed this on ICQ. I feel that we tend to not have the lower level jet > > of say 30km/hr or more backed up by a wall of westerly winds with a trough > > or dry line. Our best situations are the trough lines enclosed in a low as > > Anthony describes. I also feel that to an extent that chasing on the plains > > around Moree and north and south from there would be interesting to test > > out. Since chasing has been going, we rarely have had the so called typical > > conditions that would favour the plains around there which in my opinion > > would get closer to the conditions that is observed in the US. I think the > > NW winds feeding in a trough preceded by NE winds are also in interesting > > scenario with a got jet aloft. In other words a convergence zone. > > > > However great this season was for NSW storm wise, I feel that only perhaps > > one or two systems tended to approach the conditions like some of the > > weaker outbreaks in the US and they were early November and early December. > > The early November outbreak in particular even before the Sydney tornado > > saw some amazing outflow boundary activities on two consecutive days as > > well as some massive storms. But what happened out there??? > > > > One prime example of a system that did produce a lower level consistent > > fresh to strong jet was the night Mudgee event 26th September 2000. We > > observed a major funnel and possible tornado if it touched down on some of > > the hilltops south of Mudgee. Certainly a fair bit of damage but unclear if > > we had surveyed the correct areas. Of course there was a classic supercell > > followed by a second supercell within the complex. If people recall the > > inflow is what really make me take notice - something I hadn't observed in > > Sydney for up to 10 years or more. It was strong enough to blow over the > > tripods with camera gear on top. Another example I liked was the one in > > WNSW and SA in August if I recall correctly - one produced a tornado in > > Melbourne suburbs. Who knows what happened in the Northern Victoria and > > WNSW. Also I recall another system that also occurred in August in eastern > > SA where you had nice isolated massive supercells in a north - south line. > > I know Anthony and I drooled over them on ICQ. Perhaps these are the > > systems that are producing the major tornadoes with so much heat available > > and certainly with a little bit of moisture. Out there though, you don't > > have a plain forget chasing. > > > > Yes we do match it with supercells and some spectacular ones in that. We > > match it with hailstones well lets say similar - perhaps slightly less > > frequent. But we do not match it with the frequency or intensity of > > tornadoes. I think having gone out on some big days and failing to get > > clear cut cases of tornadoes... ie not straining the eyes so to speak and > > more or less speculative. When we begin to get the lowering and touch down > > and dustwhirl activity then we can start comparing. I think the lifting > > condensation level has a lot to do with this being usually higher. > > > > Anyway, time will tell what we can observe over the next few years. I think > > it is a matter of time before somebody nets a good tornado and then we can > > study what sort of system produced it. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: national geo on optus vision WOW Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:34:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Definately some amazing footage - although the personal profiles were a bit strange... especially the question about one persons sex life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: aus-wx: national geo on optus vision WOW > im tapeing this show abouut twisters it GREAT!!!! the tour guides a bit of a > %&*( but the show is great if u want a copy email me direct to > mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au > :)))) this is sooo good > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: national geo on optus vision WOW Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:58:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > strange... especially the question about one persons sex life yes its like is this her life story or storm chasing *G* well all in all i enjoyed it though i dont think i would pay 10,000 us dollars! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p85-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.85] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:09:31 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, My comments did not even go back to a few years ago and certainly that 29th September is one of the most significant tornadic outbreaks of modern times. There were numerous storms most probably supercells and aligned along 3 trough lines. I am certain there were more tornadoes that day and I have hints of such from others I have spoken to about that day. However, I do believe that perhaps what I recall of the mid-80's so to speak and many other years when the northeasters were more active flowing into storms. In recent years like I said the last 10 years or so there have been few if any that I have seen around here - Schofields that displayed such behaviour. In fact this brings me back to a time when I recall a "bank of storms" as it was described then developing near Lithgow (this had to be before 1989 ie before severe warning system was introduced). I recall an immensely dark base system developing over the Blue Mtns to our west and the inflow - wow I get excited even thinking about it not knowing the significance back then. The storm was predicted to moving into the Sydney region and the whole works was expected including my favourites the large hailstones. It never made it. It went through Blackheath and headed I take it SE or SSE as it missed Sydney and ended up in the Illawarra region. Another system I recall for those that live out at Orange as one of the most significant events for the country - a massive hailstorm probably a supercell that flattened Orange and its fruit. I recall the storm was a long way away but the outflow was strong even here once it moved towards the north of Sydney. I recall a lecturer at Uni suggesting it reminded him of the Brisbane storms he used to remember when he lived there with a massive anvil. Now this is the sort of power you need for tornadic activity. Now Anthony, you did suggest that Victoria and southern NSW is a place for classic supercells but I tend to agree the inland NSW and Qld also can mix it in earlier in the season. I think the setup is very similar on certain days with good windshear. If you look at the Bureau database, it seems northern NSW tends to be a part of the tornado alley. I would say anywhere in the wheat sheep belt has the ideal climate for such conditions. However, the last few years has not seen the most ideal conditions for storms in those areas. And of course, that goes for SWA and SA as well though perhaps more specific to times when moisture is available so not as often. Anyway, enough from me. Jimmy Deguara At 06:35 PM 29/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Dad (aka) Jimmy, > >I think one could case scenario that I would call a typical US situation >would be the tornado outbreak on the 29th of September, 1996. For those >with Storm News dating back to then, check out issues 6 and 7 (in >particular page 9 of issue 6), or goto the website at: > >http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/1996/docs/9609-01.htm > >And check out the MSLA! A 979hPa low moving into Western Vic, extending >a large front over inland NSW and QLD, with a trough further ahead of >this. A large region is under 1000hPa - note the NE and NW winds on the >trough as Jimmy as suggested too. > >One would anticipate a strong low level jet in this case, and a very >nice mid-upper jet, and supporting cold air! While it's difficult to >guage completely, looking at the MSL, I would expect a joining of the PJ >(polar jet) and STJ (sub-tropical jet) to the west of the low, moving to >the north of the low's centre axis, and splitting around the high in the >south Tasman. The STJ would have probably connected with the other >front in the far east, and the PJ would have curved back towards the >south in a highly meridional pattern. > >So no doubt it was a very significant system! And perhaps unusual, at >least unusual in recent times (but I won't get into the 20-40's, and >60's debate at this stage!) > >It is something I would expect to see in the US, most lows tend to slip >SE of Australia, especially the more intense ones. Sometimes these >intense lows that slip the SE produce smaller/weaker lows over Vic and >NSW but these aren't nearly on the same scale as a low such as this one! > >I certainly believe that Australia is no stranger to supercells and >tornadoes - in fact, I believe that supercell numbers may in fact be >comparable! But it seems that Australian supercells don't produce as >many tornadoes as US ones (perhaps we're looking in the wrong place? >Perhaps us Aussies place too much emphasis on the US?) I think the >latter does play a part in this, but I think that quite a few Australian >supercells tend to be orientated towards HP status, over say classic >status. Again it is difficult to say this explicitly because of the >limited number of chases in the inland regions. There are a plethora of >factors that contribute to tornadoes not being seen by chasers (road >network doesn't help for one!) But there's hardly any of us out in the >inland regions. In the US, there are hundreds! > >As I said before, I think our instability tends to be slightly higher, >we get large tongues of very moist surface air that still proceed to >enter trough areas, with breakable caps - even during summer. But this >extra moisture would tend to produce HP setups, over classic setups. >Especially in NSW and QLD (more so in QLD). NSW would be somewhat mixed >and it would vary on situations. I'm sure I'll raise a few eyebrows >here if I say I think that Victoria (and parts of southern NSW), are >perhaps the most prone areas to classic supercells. They can still get >the moisture, but not as high as further north. However, they have >colder air temperatures and (generally) better shear conditions to help >balance out this effect. It just seems the further south seems to >actually be more prone to the US type events - which is to be expected >given that most of the US' land mass is above 30N! In a way, large >parts of N NSW and QLD "don't exist" in the US - and they could >potentially (and I believe do) play by a totally different set of rules. > >AC > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > Hi Anthony and others, > > > > I tend to agree with this lower level jet theory and recently Andrew and I > > discussed this on ICQ. I feel that we tend to not have the lower level jet > > of say 30km/hr or more backed up by a wall of westerly winds with a trough > > or dry line. Our best situations are the trough lines enclosed in a low as > > Anthony describes. I also feel that to an extent that chasing on the plains > > around Moree and north and south from there would be interesting to test > > out. Since chasing has been going, we rarely have had the so called typical > > conditions that would favour the plains around there which in my opinion > > would get closer to the conditions that is observed in the US. I think the > > NW winds feeding in a trough preceded by NE winds are also in interesting > > scenario with a got jet aloft. In other words a convergence zone. > > > > However great this season was for NSW storm wise, I feel that only perhaps > > one or two systems tended to approach the conditions like some of the > > weaker outbreaks in the US and they were early November and early December. > > The early November outbreak in particular even before the Sydney tornado > > saw some amazing outflow boundary activities on two consecutive days as > > well as some massive storms. But what happened out there??? > > > > One prime example of a system that did produce a lower level consistent > > fresh to strong jet was the night Mudgee event 26th September 2000. We > > observed a major funnel and possible tornado if it touched down on some of > > the hilltops south of Mudgee. Certainly a fair bit of damage but unclear if > > we had surveyed the correct areas. Of course there was a classic supercell > > followed by a second supercell within the complex. If people recall the > > inflow is what really make me take notice - something I hadn't observed in > > Sydney for up to 10 years or more. It was strong enough to blow over the > > tripods with camera gear on top. Another example I liked was the one in > > WNSW and SA in August if I recall correctly - one produced a tornado in > > Melbourne suburbs. Who knows what happened in the Northern Victoria and > > WNSW. Also I recall another system that also occurred in August in eastern > > SA where you had nice isolated massive supercells in a north - south line. > > I know Anthony and I drooled over them on ICQ. Perhaps these are the > > systems that are producing the major tornadoes with so much heat available > > and certainly with a little bit of moisture. Out there though, you don't > > have a plain forget chasing. > > > > Yes we do match it with supercells and some spectacular ones in that. We > > match it with hailstones well lets say similar - perhaps slightly less > > frequent. But we do not match it with the frequency or intensity of > > tornadoes. I think having gone out on some big days and failing to get > > clear cut cases of tornadoes... ie not straining the eyes so to speak and > > more or less speculative. When we begin to get the lowering and touch down > > and dustwhirl activity then we can start comparing. I think the lifting > > condensation level has a lot to do with this being usually higher. > > > > Anyway, time will tell what we can observe over the next few years. I think > > it is a matter of time before somebody nets a good tornado and then we can > > study what sort of system produced it. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p85-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.85] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:32:13 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:39 PM 29/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >There have been a few good points raised in this thread. > >The point about supercell research being mostly based on the US experience >is valid. I do personally believe we have a slightly different animal. After >watching hours of US videos on supercells and tornadoes I have come to a few >conclusions. Here are some, and AC and JD have already touched on most.- > >Our middle layers are often too moist. Ummm not all in agreement with this point except that if it is too moist then you are in my opinion less likely to get supercells but yest this means that you don;t always have the ideal setup for supercells. I nowadays seldom chase with moist air aloft. >Our caps often too weak. I suppose it is relative and more related to chasing the coast so to speak but I can agree with you on the recent "supposed to be a good chase" day in the upper Hunter. >We are not 45'S, I know it is rather obvious, but it is a point too often >overlooked. Please understand that northern Texas Dallas is at Sydney's latitude and the temperature profile was not really that incredibile when I last checked and they were expected possible tornadoes well a watch issued so there was that chance based on the lapse rates and so on. But you are correct when comparing to say Tamworth etc. Perhaps Kansas is about Tasmania so that is where the difference occurs. It is Oklahoma that is recognised as the state with the most severe weather major tornadoes and hailstorms and that is in line with SNSW and Victoria. But really I think trying to compare in this case is not as important unless considering the so called jet and polar jets. But I don't think it has an overwhelming bearing with tornadoes and no tornadoes as once you get an outbreak of supercells, providing you have the correct conditions such as shear then you can get a tornado outbreak. Remember that the September 29th outbreak occurred in central to northern NSW. Remember that significant tornadoes can occur well up north into Qld territory. But as Anthony pointed out, Victoria is a prime area as that is closer to where the polar jet it most active. However, don't forget the subtropical jet over NNSW and SE Qld or those latitudes over other parts of Australia. I feel the Victorian example is more related to the dynamic early spring weather type outbreaks ie faster moving supercell and the northern NSW are the slower moving system late spring early summer type of outbreak even though that can happen in Victoria late January in some years. >We often get supercell outbreaks over a massive geographic area. >Occasionally even greater area I dare say then big outbreaks in the US. Agreed though I will see when I get there how it compares to what we have seen. It is interesting to note that some US chasers are looking at the web pages here and ask the question why we don't get the massive tornadoes with them. hmmmmm the whole essence of this discussion. >Michael > > > > > > > I think one could case scenario that I would call a typical US situation > > would be the tornado outbreak on the 29th of September, 1996. For those > > with Storm News dating back to then, check out issues 6 and 7 (in > > particular page 9 of issue 6), or goto the website at: > > > > http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/1996/docs/9609-01.htm > > > > And check out the MSLA! A 979hPa low moving into Western Vic, extending > > a large front over inland NSW and QLD, with a trough further ahead of > > this. A large region is under 1000hPa - note the NE and NW winds on the > > trough as Jimmy as suggested too. > > > > One would anticipate a strong low level jet in this case, and a very > > nice mid-upper jet, and supporting cold air! While it's difficult to > > guage completely, looking at the MSL, I would expect a joining of the PJ > > (polar jet) and STJ (sub-tropical jet) to the west of the low, moving to > > the north of the low's centre axis, and splitting around the high in the > > south Tasman. The STJ would have probably connected with the other > > front in the far east, and the PJ would have curved back towards the > > south in a highly meridional pattern. > > > > So no doubt it was a very significant system! And perhaps unusual, at > > least unusual in recent times (but I won't get into the 20-40's, and > > 60's debate at this stage!) > > > > It is something I would expect to see in the US, most lows tend to slip > > SE of Australia, especially the more intense ones. Sometimes these > > intense lows that slip the SE produce smaller/weaker lows over Vic and > > NSW but these aren't nearly on the same scale as a low such as this one! > > > > I certainly believe that Australia is no stranger to supercells and > > tornadoes - in fact, I believe that supercell numbers may in fact be > > comparable! But it seems that Australian supercells don't produce as > > many tornadoes as US ones (perhaps we're looking in the wrong place? > > Perhaps us Aussies place too much emphasis on the US?) I think the > > latter does play a part in this, but I think that quite a few Australian > > supercells tend to be orientated towards HP status, over say classic > > status. Again it is difficult to say this explicitly because of the > > limited number of chases in the inland regions. There are a plethora of > > factors that contribute to tornadoes not being seen by chasers (road > > network doesn't help for one!) But there's hardly any of us out in the > > inland regions. In the US, there are hundreds! > > > > As I said before, I think our instability tends to be slightly higher, > > we get large tongues of very moist surface air that still proceed to > > enter trough areas, with breakable caps - even during summer. But this > > extra moisture would tend to produce HP setups, over classic setups. > > Especially in NSW and QLD (more so in QLD). NSW would be somewhat mixed > > and it would vary on situations. I'm sure I'll raise a few eyebrows > > here if I say I think that Victoria (and parts of southern NSW), are > > perhaps the most prone areas to classic supercells. They can still get > > the moisture, but not as high as further north. However, they have > > colder air temperatures and (generally) better shear conditions to help > > balance out this effect. It just seems the further south seems to > > actually be more prone to the US type events - which is to be expected > > given that most of the US' land mass is above 30N! In a way, large > > parts of N NSW and QLD "don't exist" in the US - and they could > > potentially (and I believe do) play by a totally different set of rules. > > > > AC > > > > Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > > > Hi Anthony and others, > > > > > > I tend to agree with this lower level jet theory and recently Andrew and >I > > > discussed this on ICQ. I feel that we tend to not have the lower level >jet > > > of say 30km/hr or more backed up by a wall of westerly winds with a >trough > > > or dry line. Our best situations are the trough lines enclosed in a low >as > > > Anthony describes. I also feel that to an extent that chasing on the >plains > > > around Moree and north and south from there would be interesting to test > > > out. Since chasing has been going, we rarely have had the so called >typical > > > conditions that would favour the plains around there which in my opinion > > > would get closer to the conditions that is observed in the US. I think >the > > > NW winds feeding in a trough preceded by NE winds are also in >interesting > > > scenario with a got jet aloft. In other words a convergence zone. > > > > > > However great this season was for NSW storm wise, I feel that only >perhaps > > > one or two systems tended to approach the conditions like some of the > > > weaker outbreaks in the US and they were early November and early >December. > > > The early November outbreak in particular even before the Sydney tornado > > > saw some amazing outflow boundary activities on two consecutive days as > > > well as some massive storms. But what happened out there??? > > > > > > One prime example of a system that did produce a lower level consistent > > > fresh to strong jet was the night Mudgee event 26th September 2000. We > > > observed a major funnel and possible tornado if it touched down on some >of > > > the hilltops south of Mudgee. Certainly a fair bit of damage but unclear >if > > > we had surveyed the correct areas. Of course there was a classic >supercell > > > followed by a second supercell within the complex. If people recall the > > > inflow is what really make me take notice - something I hadn't observed >in > > > Sydney for up to 10 years or more. It was strong enough to blow over the > > > tripods with camera gear on top. Another example I liked was the one in > > > WNSW and SA in August if I recall correctly - one produced a tornado in > > > Melbourne suburbs. Who knows what happened in the Northern Victoria and > > > WNSW. Also I recall another system that also occurred in August in >eastern > > > SA where you had nice isolated massive supercells in a north - south >line. > > > I know Anthony and I drooled over them on ICQ. Perhaps these are the > > > systems that are producing the major tornadoes with so much heat >available > > > and certainly with a little bit of moisture. Out there though, you don't > > > have a plain forget chasing. > > > > > > Yes we do match it with supercells and some spectacular ones in that. We > > > match it with hailstones well lets say similar - perhaps slightly less > > > frequent. But we do not match it with the frequency or intensity of > > > tornadoes. I think having gone out on some big days and failing to get > > > clear cut cases of tornadoes... ie not straining the eyes so to speak >and > > > more or less speculative. When we begin to get the lowering and touch >down > > > and dustwhirl activity then we can start comparing. I think the lifting > > > condensation level has a lot to do with this being usually higher. > > > > > > Anyway, time will tell what we can observe over the next few years. I >think > > > it is a matter of time before somebody nets a good tornado and then we >can > > > study what sort of system produced it. > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > -- > > Anthony Cornelius > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > (07) 3390 4812 > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p4-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.68] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:10:47 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Current studies on "warm weather" supercells Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I know we have been and probably always will be waiting for the video put online by Matt Piper and/or Daniel Weatherhead :) But anyway, that brought me to the point I forgot to mention about the study by Andrew Treloar and Barry Hanstrum with regards to warm weather supercells in Australia. This is an attempt to try and track a pattern of the "summer type" tornado producing supercells and supercells in general. The study had at that stage already confirmed what already has been mentioned in this thread. In other words, the coastal areas of NSW are more prone to HP supercells and Victoria more the classic supercell. Now the study from memory encompassed the following: - use of radar behaviour, left and right moving properties and also the angle of veering based on the predicted mean level wind profiles and also whether the storms increased or decreased in velocity. - also the radar reflectivity intensity had to be ongoing for a specified time - hook echo - produced a tornado - giant hail events - I think They took into account the following from the days that these events occurred - CAPE -windshear (helicity) I think a combination of such items had to be included if they were to be satisfied as a supercell and they plotted helicity against CAPE and compared. Of course the US example, they used a study done on 400 major tornadic supercells. Now the point I am bringing out is the need to use radar as a means to pick out significant supercells. I find this annoying as it means the hole created in northern NSW and I suppose major areas of SE Qld is incredible. So I can only see unfortunately a biased result overall but I suppose it was an attempt. Now further to this if I recall correctly, they were going to use case studies that were around since reliable radar was introduced. I just thought I would bring this point out. Again, please don't quote me on these points. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Supercell V Multicell Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:56:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Probably a pretty easy question but, how can/do you distinguish a supercell storm from a multicell one? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p4-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.68] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:41:45 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Supercell V Multicell Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie, From a visual perspective, clear cut case of supercells can easily be distinguished from multicells but when they are closer along what I call the thunderstorm spectrum, it becomes more difficult and requires radar to distinguish them. Perhaps if I were you bussie, rather than re-invent the wheel, read my simplified online powerpoint presentation listed on the stormnews section: http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/index.html the top document directly go to http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/slide/supercell_case_study.htm I am not saying that I am an expert but this is a much easier to understand presentation with pictures to boost. The important thing remember, is not to try separate supercells from multicells as all storms are part of a continuous spectrum and depends where they fit along the scale based on the type of characteristics. The presentation explains what I mean. I hope this helps. Jimmy Deguara At 06:56 AM 30/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Probably a pretty easy question but, how can/do you distinguish a supercell >storm from a multicell one? > >Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.61.183.193] From: "David Sercombe" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: storms around coffs harbour on saturday Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:08:17 -0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2001 01:08:17.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A556900:01C0D112] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I heard from a number of people (from Coffs) that there were a number of waterspouts accociated with a storm on saturday afternoon/evening.
 
If anyone has saved the Grafton radar from approx. 4:30pm to 7:00pm (or when the storms ceased), it would be greatly appreciated if they could either upload it to their website or send it to my private e-mail. (I was not able to get online at the time)
 
David Sercombe
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From: Blair Trewin Subject: aus-wx: Lack of warnings To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:25:49 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It is indicative of the lack of excitement in Australia's weather at the moment that (discounting the permanent SA fire ban advice) there is precisely one warning in effect in Australia at the moment - a Canberra Small Boat Alert. I can't remember seeing such a miniscule number of warnings before - normally the sort of situation that gives rise to a lack of interest in southern Australia (i.e. a big ridge of high pressure) also gives rise to strong wind warnings about at least some of the tropical coast. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:48:29 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lack of warnings From: Mark Hardy To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It is not uncommon to have several warning free days through winter. I recall this on a handful of occasions last winter. > From: Blair Trewin > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:25:49 +1000 (EST) > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) > Subject: aus-wx: Lack of warnings > > It is indicative of the lack of excitement in Australia's weather > at the moment that (discounting the permanent SA fire ban advice) > there is precisely one warning in effect in Australia at the moment > - a Canberra Small Boat Alert. > > I can't remember seeing such a miniscule number of warnings before - > normally the sort of situation that gives rise to a lack of interest > in southern Australia (i.e. a big ridge of high pressure) also gives > rise to strong wind warnings about at least some of the tropical coast. > > Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.0.101.2] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:46:19 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2001 02:46:20.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC5C4990:01C0D11F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>The point about supercell research being mostly based on the US
>>experience
>>is valid. I do personally believe we have a slightly different

>>animal.

I agree Michael and I suppose this argument could be used anywhere in the world. I think the US is quite unique in that it seems so ideally located and geographically configured for 'the' animal. To me Australia is not, and I'm not sure thatwe have a severe storm 'set -up' any better than South America or even Africa. I believe we have a less ideal setup than China, and other parts of Asia (Bangladesh for example).
 
Based on the efforts of chasers over the last several years, in my view it is quite telling that no supercells with rapidly rotating wall clouds, or even the dramatic base structure which is the hallmark of the US storms, have been caught on video. We get giant hail, we get 100+ mph straight line winds and monster 18+ km high storms. But we seem to get very few storms that exhibit strong rotation at the lower levels, something that I believe will be confirmed over the coming years.
 
It is still early days as far as Australian chasing goes, but my suspicion is that the prime areas have been well covered by chasers now. I know great storms will continue to be caught on video although i think the tornadoes will continue to be few and far between. In comparison to the US, I think it is quite obvious that they get more supercells than Australia and many more tornadic supercells.
 
Based on my armchair observations over the last few years, a typical spring period in the US sees instability persisting over much broader areas than Australia, is more extreme and of course both speed and dierctional windshear is much better. Still we get our fair share and as a storm chaser rather than a tornado chaser, I for one am not dissapointed with what we get!


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From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: national geo on optus vision WOW Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:42:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I thought this was a pretty good docu actually. Granted the personal stuff probably didn't really need to be there, but some of the footage was good. It was also good to get a close perspective of real time weather events and the professional chaser reactions rather some of the other docos, where the chaser/witness is interviewed and various pieces of vision are spliced together trying to dramtize the whole thing (which when there is a tornado on the ground doesn't need to happen). This doco gave some good footage of the frustrated chaser "...there is a massive supercell 200kms away. If we had of been 90 minutes further along we would have got it......oh there goes the rain curtain blocking our view of the violent rfb. Jeez i hate this!!!!" Fun to watch. dann +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Co." To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lack of warnings Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:07:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Blair, There have been some great thunderstorms in WA although I think out of the reach of storm chasers unfortunately. Also, a nice upper low over NSW with more thunderstorms. Apart from that, you could check out some US weather. There is a front sweep across the states at present and some severe storms. The main problem there at present is that the moisture is a bit lacking for really big storms. Paul G. ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Blair Trewin To: Aussie Weather Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: aus-wx: Lack of warnings > It is indicative of the lack of excitement in Australia's weather > at the moment that (discounting the permanent SA fire ban advice) > there is precisely one warning in effect in Australia at the moment > - a Canberra Small Boat Alert. > > I can't remember seeing such a miniscule number of warnings before - > normally the sort of situation that gives rise to a lack of interest > in southern Australia (i.e. a big ridge of high pressure) also gives > rise to strong wind warnings about at least some of the tropical coast. > > Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p61-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.125] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:06:20 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David and all, I have responded to one of your points > >It is still early days as far as Australian chasing goes, but my suspicion >is that the prime areas have been well covered by chasers now. I know >great storms will continue to be caught on video although i think the >tornadoes will continue to be few and far between. In comparison to the >US, I think it is quite obvious that they get more supercells than >Australia and many more tornadic supercells. > I tend to slightly disagree here. I very much doubt if one can compare the last couple of years of chasing with the 30 years of chasing the US. When you look at their documentaries, you go crazy. You look at their warnings and you go crazy. But when you start really looking into it, most of the major tornadoes there are well reported and covered time and time again. I really think I will give it up to 10 years before I start really deciding how Australian conditions compare. Even this last season which was a great season does not go down in my books as a typical severe storm year. I do believe that when those inland troughs occur on a regular basis days at a time and a high is situated in the southern Tasman will I think the typical real summer situation be realised with a good NE geostrophic flow rather than just a sea breeze. I believe that when the region around Moree Narrabri and thereabouts get back to a typical season will we know what we have on our hands. And of course, years prior to this were pathetic although Northern NSW and Qld had one good season around 1997 - 1998 but who chased abroad back then. Time will tell. And as I have said in my previous e-mails, it is all comparitive. If a person chasing around Cobar observes a significant tornado, could one assume that this is a significant find considering the road network? I actually do, as the chances of an event occurring around that area is far remote nearer a town. That is vastly undiscovered country, and really do we know enough about the area? Even in the areas around Tamworth to Moree and NW Slopes. How about the SW slopes and plains as well as the Lower Western - hardly touched. Believe me, I would say we have only touched the surface. One simply cannot judge on the limited chasing we have done. I also think that people are forgetting that in the Bureau database, significant tornadoes have been documented at a time when Australia had a far more sparse population. I do believe that the last 10 - 20 years in Sydney have been far more quieter than it used to be but who knows we may be getting back to normal again after Matt Smith's tornado. >Based on my armchair observations over the last few years, a typical >spring period in the US sees instability persisting over much broader >areas than Australia, is more extreme and of course both speed and >dierctional windshear is much better. Still we get our fair share and as a >storm chaser rather than a tornado chaser, I for one am not dissapointed >with what we get! I agree in this case. > >---------- >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To >unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Met Support 3" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: national geo on optus vision WOW Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:34:26 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Dann and all, I taped this doco when it was first aired in March, so if anyone at the next NSW ASWA meeting wishes to see it I can bring it along. Matthew Piper ----- Original Message ----- From: "dann weatherhead" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: national geo on optus vision WOW > I thought this was a pretty good docu actually. Granted the personal stuff > probably didn't really need to be there, but some of the footage was good. > It was also good to get a close perspective of real time weather events and > the professional chaser reactions rather some of the other docos, where the > chaser/witness is interviewed and various pieces of vision are spliced > together trying to dramtize the whole thing (which when there is a tornado > on the ground doesn't need to happen). This doco gave some good footage of > the frustrated chaser > > "...there is a massive supercell 200kms away. If we had of been 90 minutes > further along we would have got it......oh there goes the rain curtain > blocking our view of the violent rfb. Jeez i hate this!!!!" > > Fun to watch. > > dann > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: SW. NSW. Vorticity. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:47:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2001 06:47:18.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[6660C030:01C0D141] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everybody. I couldn't help being surprised by the forecast for Victoria today and the rest of the week, fine, fine , fine , and fine,ok I must have missed something, or is that an upper low lurking east of Broken Hill and moving south southwest with a respectable amount of mid and upper cloud lounging around that area!.With a few thunderstorms thrown in as well. Although a bit of a wish forecast it really does look rather interesting for the southeast of Aus over the next couple of days,although lacking a bit of cold air aloft >700hpa, there is a reasonable amount of mid and upper level moisture.Also looks like the dry season has commenced over the top end with a marked retreat of the ITCZ over the past several days.regards Clyve Herbert. P.S. Also got a record wet April here at Leopold with 173.5m/m, its been an interesting year so far with April being the second month in succession above 100m/m (March 103m/m) all up that's 276.5m/m and all of this came in just 5 raindays, and that's almost half of my annual average !!. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Karratha Weather" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lack of warnings - STA current for inland areas of WA Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:45:59 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all......... There is actually a Severe Thunderstorm Advice for a large section of WA atm, which has been on the WA State forecast page since 11:20am WST (0330utc) this morning. But the formal warning only go issued about 25min ago........ BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE Issued at 2:15 pm WST on Monday, 30 April 2001 People in the southeastern Gascoyne, Goldfields plus eastern parts of the Southern Coastal District, the Central Wheat Belt and Great Southern, including the townships of Meekatharra, Kalgoorlie and Esperance are advised that there is a risk of severe thunderstorms this afternoon and extending into tonight. Storms may be accompanied by hail, flash flooding and strong winds that could result in damage to property. The State Emergency Service advises that people should keep a lookout for thunderstorms and if storms approach secure loose items, move vehicles under cover, then stay indoors until the storms have passed. Driving conditions may be hazardous. This Thunderstorm Advice will be updated at 5:00pm. Regards JJ From an overcast Karratha WA.....received about 10 drops from a shower earlier today ( heavy stuff missed me to the east :( ) Brings my grand total for the month to about 30 drops.....hopefully May will start out wet! models still going for some more rain tomorrow and Wednesday. (fingers crossed) www.karrathaweather.org cyclone at karrathaweather.org ICQ 6187498 #weather chat: http://javachat.karrathaweather.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Trewin" To: "Aussie Weather" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: aus-wx: Lack of warnings > It is indicative of the lack of excitement in Australia's weather > at the moment that (discounting the permanent SA fire ban advice) > there is precisely one warning in effect in Australia at the moment > - a Canberra Small Boat Alert. > > I can't remember seeing such a miniscule number of warnings before - > normally the sort of situation that gives rise to a lack of interest > in southern Australia (i.e. a big ridge of high pressure) also gives > rise to strong wind warnings about at least some of the tropical coast. > > Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: cordelia.flexi.net.au: Host racport11.flexi.net.au [203.37.233.27] claimed to be adamcole From: "Adam Troy Cole" To: Subject: aus-wx: Flood lessons from noah :) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:23:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com LESSONS FROM NOAH One - Don't miss the boat. Two - Remember that we are all in the same boat. Three - Plan ahead. It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark. Four - Stay fit. When you're 600 years old, someone may ask you to do something really big. Five - Don't listen to critics; just get on with the job that needs to be done. Six - Build your future on high ground. Seven For safety's sake, travel in pairs. Eight - Speed isn't always an advantage. The snails were onboard with the cheetahs. Nine - When you're stressed, float a while. Ten - Remember, the Ark was built by amateurs; the Titanic by professionals. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:23:24 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SW. NSW. Vorticity. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve Spotted that low on the NSW/QLD/SA border late yesterday arvo on the sat pics....it has certainly produced a good amount of cloud over the state and a nice line of storms as well in west QLD Matt Smith clyve herbert wrote: > Hi everybody. > I couldn't help being surprised by the forecast for Victoria today and the > rest of the week, fine, fine , fine , and fine,ok I must have missed > something, or is that an upper low lurking east of Broken Hill and moving > south southwest with a respectable amount of mid and upper cloud lounging > around that area!.With a few thunderstorms thrown in as well. Although a > bit of a wish forecast it really does look rather interesting for the > southeast of Aus over the next couple of days,although lacking a bit of > cold air aloft >700hpa, there is a reasonable amount of mid and upper level > moisture.Also looks like the dry season has commenced over the top end with > a marked retreat of the ITCZ over the past several days.regards Clyve > Herbert. > P.S. Also got a record wet April here at Leopold with 173.5m/m, its been an > interesting year so far with April being the second month in succession > above 100m/m (March 103m/m) all up that's 276.5m/m and all of this came in > just 5 raindays, and that's almost half of my annual average !!. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:11:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > >Our middle layers are often too moist. > > Ummm not all in agreement with this point except that if it is too moist > then you are in my opinion less likely to get supercells but yest this > means that you don;t always have the ideal setup for supercells. I nowadays > seldom chase with moist air aloft. > > That is exactly what I am saying..to an extent. It does inhibit supercell formation, how ever there are conditions when CAPE's are so high that like lack of shear the moist middle layer problem is overcome through shear energy. I suppose I look at the USA pics and see a supercell with nothing else around it, no junk cloud. Yet I look at Australian supercells ( except for the dry line variety ) and see junk cloud everywhere. > > >We are not 45'S, I know it is rather obvious, but it is a point too often > >overlooked. > > Please understand that northern Texas Dallas is at Sydney's latitude and > the temperature profile was not really that incredibile when I last checked > I suppose I should add that Dallas has landmass to its north, not an ocean, but again this is stating the obvious. > > >We often get supercell outbreaks over a massive geographic area. > >Occasionally even greater area I dare say then big outbreaks in the US. > This comment about the US chasers asking the big question does not worry me. I have never thought our tornado frequency was anywhere near as high as the mid west, in threads long ago on this list I remember people suggesting it was . The simple fact is it is not. I pretty much agree with what you say about hail frequency and supercell frequency, yet tornadoes are down, therefore something is missing. I think the low level jet theory fits the bill perfectly. > Agreed though I will see when I get there how it compares to what we have > seen. It is interesting to note that some US chasers are looking at the web > pages here and ask the question why we don't get the massive tornadoes with > them. hmmmmm the whole essence of this discussion. > Michael +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:16:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I suppose you and Jimmy will be better are to answer this question by the end of June.
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 12:46
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain

>>The point about supercell research being mostly based on the US
>>experience
>>is valid. I do personally believe we have a slightly different

>>animal.

I agree Michael and I suppose this argument could be used anywhere in the world. I think the US is quite unique in that it seems so ideally located and geographically configured for 'the' animal. To me Australia is not, and I'm not sure thatwe have a severe storm 'set -up' any better than South America or even Africa. I believe we have a less ideal setup than China, and other parts of Asia (Bangladesh for example).
 
Based on the efforts of chasers over the last several years, in my view it is quite telling that no supercells with rapidly rotating wall clouds, or even the dramatic base structure which is the hallmark of the US storms, have been caught on video. We get giant hail, we get 100+ mph straight line winds and monster 18+ km high storms. But we seem to get very few storms that exhibit strong rotation at the lower levels, something that I believe will be confirmed over the coming years.
 
It is still early days as far as Australian chasing goes, but my suspicion is that the prime areas have been well covered by chasers now. I know great storms will continue to be caught on video although i think the tornadoes will continue to be few and far between. In comparison to the US, I think it is quite obvious that they get more supercells than Australia and many more tornadic supercells.
 
Based on my armchair observations over the last few years, a typical spring period in the US sees instability persisting over much broader areas than Australia, is more extreme and of course both speed and dierctional windshear is much better. Still we get our fair share and as a storm chaser rather than a tornado chaser, I for one am not dissapointed with what we get!


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From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SW. NSW. Vorticity. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:35:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There are signs of middle layer instability here in the Illawarra too. Some lower middle layer alto stratus developed this afternoon drifting in from the east. Showers have increased along the coast north from Wollongong, although southwards it has remained mostly dry. This will change overnight I hope. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:47 Subject: aus-wx: SW. NSW. Vorticity. > Hi everybody. > I couldn't help being surprised by the forecast for Victoria today and the > rest of the week, fine, fine , fine , and fine,ok I must have missed > something, or is that an upper low lurking east of Broken Hill and moving > south southwest with a respectable amount of mid and upper cloud lounging > around that area!.With a few thunderstorms thrown in as well. Although a > bit of a wish forecast it really does look rather interesting for the > southeast of Aus over the next couple of days,although lacking a bit of > cold air aloft >700hpa, there is a reasonable amount of mid and upper level > moisture.Also looks like the dry season has commenced over the top end with > a marked retreat of the ITCZ over the past several days.regards Clyve > Herbert. > P.S. Also got a record wet April here at Leopold with 173.5m/m, its been an > interesting year so far with April being the second month in succession > above 100m/m (March 103m/m) all up that's 276.5m/m and all of this came in > just 5 raindays, and that's almost half of my annual average !!. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:40:19 +1000 (AEST) From: Jonty Hall To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David and all, Just a couple more points. Firstly, I do not believe that any conclusive evidence exists that there is any dynamical difference between US supercells and Australian ones (other than the change of hemisphere). A supercell is a mode of convection that is the result of a variety of environmental factors. It does not appear to make any difference how these influences are brought together synoptically. In the great plains of the US, for a variety of reasons, these influences are in place more often than anywhere else. But despite a heck of a lot of research and observation, don't be too confident that even in the US they know all there is to know about supercell and tornado dynamics, and so comparing them to ours, which we know even less about, is a bit of a stab in the dark. Neither do I think you can say with any level of confidence at all that a smaller fraction of our supercells are tornadic. As an example, you only have to look at April 6 this year on the US plains. A strong surface low, rich boundary layer moisture in the warm sector with strong convergence about the cold front and dry line, vigorous mid-level short wave overlain by a strong upper jet all combined to give classic major outbreak conditions, with very steep lapse rates approaching dry adiabatic to 500 hPa, surface based CAPEs of 2500-3000, moderate low level capping, with good low-level and deep layer shear with SRH in the 300-500. I'm sure I just made a few mouths water - but the result? A grand total of 2 brief, weak tornadoes. Plenty of large hail and wind damage reports, but virtually no tornadoes, and certainly no significant ones. What happened? The same thing that often happens, even over there. Supercells, but no low level rotation, and no tornadoes. Why did it happen (or not happen) - no one knows. Studies of Australian supercells are in their infancy it is true. But an important factor to understand here is that even in the US, only a SMALL minority of supercells are tornadic. This cannot be emphasised enough. Figures are hard to give with any certainty, but it is probably somewhere near 20%. Low level rotation cannot be considered as a benchmark of US supercells, or anything of the sort, as the majority of them simply do not have it. Do not be overly influenced by graphic pictures of big outbreak days. You do not see anything from the majority of days when the supercells do not produce anything other than large hail or damaging straight line winds (or nothing at all) - for example April 6 (this is quite a spectacular failure case, but there are countless less eyeopening ones every year)! One other thing to remember is that quite a large fraction of initial tornado reports in the US (which are later placed in the US tornado data set) do not come from chasers, or even registered spotters. They come from locals - policemen, shopkeepers, teachers, folk in the street. How many of those would be reported in Australia? A hell of a lot fewer, because a) there are way way less streets for people to be in, and b) a much smaller proportion of people would know a tornado if they fell over one, or would recogonise the importance of reporting it even if they did. With the vast majority of our (comparitively) miniscule population living on the coastal strip where a larger proportion of HP supercells with poor visibility and poor viewing conditions could be expected, the situation is even worse. Overall, it is a fascinating subject isn't it, and one I know quite a few of the American researchers are interested in... Jonty. On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, David Croan wrote: >
>
>>The point about supercell research being mostly based on the US
>
>>experience >
>>is valid. I do personally believe we have a slightly different >
>

>>animal.

>
>
I agree Michael and I suppose this argument could be used anywhere in the world. I think the US is quite unique in that it seems so ideally located and geographically configured for 'the' animal. To me Australia is not, and I'm not sure thatwe have a severe storm 'set -up' any better than South America or even Africa. I believe we have a less ideal setup than China, and other parts of Asia (Bangladesh for example).
>
 
>
Based on the efforts of chasers over the last several years, in my view it is quite telling that no supercells with rapidly rotating wall clouds, or even the dramatic base structure which is the hallmark of the US storms, have been caught on video. We get giant hail, we get 100+ mph straight line winds and monster 18+ km high storms. But we seem to get very few storms that exhibit strong rotation at the lower levels, something that I believe will be confirmed over the coming years.
>
 
>
It is still early days as far as Australian chasing goes, but my suspicion is that the prime areas have been well covered by chasers now. I know great storms will continue to be caught on video although i think the tornadoes will continue to be few and far between. In comparison to the US, I think it is quite obvious that they get more supercells than Australia and many more tornadic supercells.
>
 
>
Based on my armchair observations over the last few years, a typical spring period in the US sees instability persisting over much broader areas than Australia, is more extreme and of course both speed and dierctional windshear is much better. Still we get our fair share and as a storm chaser rather than a tornado chaser, I for one am not dissapointed with what we get!


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> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SW. NSW. Vorticity. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:52:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2001 11:52:57.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[19583C20:01C0D16C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael. It looks better over your way with the prospect of a strengthening southeast to easterly flow developing overnight and then the Tasman sea low slipping southwest towards northeast Tasmania during the week,could be some good falls about the escarpment , better get your Wollongong drizzle brolly out . regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: SW. NSW. Vorticity. > There are signs of middle layer instability here in the Illawarra too. Some > lower middle layer alto stratus developed this afternoon drifting in from > the east. > > Showers have increased along the coast north from Wollongong, although > southwards it has remained mostly dry. This will change overnight I hope. > > Michael > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:47 > Subject: aus-wx: SW. NSW. Vorticity. > > > > Hi everybody. > > I couldn't help being surprised by the forecast for Victoria today and > the > > rest of the week, fine, fine , fine , and fine,ok I must have missed > > something, or is that an upper low lurking east of Broken Hill and moving > > south southwest with a respectable amount of mid and upper cloud lounging > > around that area!.With a few thunderstorms thrown in as well. Although a > > bit of a wish forecast it really does look rather interesting for the > > southeast of Aus over the next couple of days,although lacking a bit of > > cold air aloft >700hpa, there is a reasonable amount of mid and upper > level > > moisture.Also looks like the dry season has commenced over the top end > with > > a marked retreat of the ITCZ over the past several days.regards Clyve > > Herbert. > > P.S. Also got a record wet April here at Leopold with 173.5m/m, its been > an > > interesting year so far with April being the second month in succession > > above 100m/m (March 103m/m) all up that's 276.5m/m and all of this came > in > > just 5 raindays, and that's almost half of my annual average !!. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p19-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.83] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:25:10 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Avnplotter program Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all who are interested, I have made some more modifications based on feedback that are well worth downloading for. This is more for presentation and also to follow a more logical structure when plotting so things have been rearranged. Help is easily obtained with the browser coming in front ready to load and so is the same when asking for the latest model data. I have also added some colour to make it more presentable... Download from: http://australiasevereweather.com/links/avnhelp.htm forgot to include this link sorry. No time series or overlap functionality have been added at this stage. I will leave that until after the trip to the US. Please enjoy. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:38:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain (long email) > But certainly I can see how it can be applies to some situations when > the shear is "right." I think one of the most interesting correlations > I've seen is the CAPE and SRH graph, with tornado occurrences plotted on > it for a certain region. The higher the CAPE (measure of instability), > the less SRH (measure of speed & directional shear) was needed. > Alternatively, the higher the SRH, the lower the CAPE that was needed. > I believe they also plotted EHI on this as well (which is a combination > of these two with a scaling factor). > I'm curious about this last statment as high shear generally requires high CAPE so the sotorms can stand up against them without being decapitated? Cheers, Lyle +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:Funnels near Junee & Vic Rain Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:57:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Jonty, I thoroughly agree with your comments and my personal opinon/gutt feeling is that the dynamics are very much the same, just the boundary conditions to the problem change with location, so it seems sensible that your not going to get the same result. On the topic of APril 6th..... > outbreak conditions, with very steep lapse rates approaching dry adiabatic > to 500 hPa, surface based CAPEs of 2500-3000, moderate low level capping, > with good low-level and deep layer shear with SRH in the 300-500. I'm > sure I just made a few mouths water - but the result? A grand total of 2 > brief, weak tornadoes. Plenty of large hail and wind damage reports, but > virtually no tornadoes, and certainly no significant ones. What happened? > The same thing that often happens, even over there. Supercells, but no low > level rotation, and no tornadoes. Why did it happen (or not happen) - no > one knows. That was quite a 'messy' day - we did see a gustnado (my first ever surface based vortex sighting, i was happy). Though, I don't think this is such a good example of supercells not dropping tornadoes because there wern't many supercells that day. The problem was the conditions were ripe but the cap never got broken due to clouds. things went messy when the trough moved in and pulled everything up, but then everything went into a squall. The 'small' tornado you spoke of was still pretty scary as it was being tracked at 80mph on the ground - in fact the storm we saw a gustnado on was heading at 90mph - storms chasing us that day ;) Cheers, LYle +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------