http://australiasevereweather.com/ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.89.84] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Boiling action in Adelaide yesterday Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 07:25:41 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2001 21:55:41.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5AAF260:01C149FA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well Vic sure got a show last night but even here in Adelaide yesterday afternoon before 3:00pm some very sharp fast moving cells developed into a line near Adelaide. Here in the SE suburbs I got some thunder ahead of the showers but no lightning. The middle level cloud had cleared off and conditions were very humid and mild with lots of low cloud. The cold front was right on our doorstep and before the line of showers, a clear slot of blue sky developed where I am and I got the best view of one of the fastest boiling clouds ever! The cloud was not only moving fast but boiling extremely quickly. Reminded me of a summer day watching the clouds slowly boil but ten times faster, a small anvil even developed in association with this boiling action. Unluckily I missed out on the heavy shower activity here but other suburbs got some. I am still very impressed with what I saw, pitty I didn't get time to get it on video as it all happened to quickly. Rainfall here has been pretty poor from this system but we may get a decent shower or two in association with the colder air to the SW today or tomorrow. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dane Newman" To: Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Last night Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:22:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Finally some action in Melbourne last night. First thunder I have heard since June. After a warm and windy day 28.4c in the city a line of fast moving storms came throuugh most suburbs between 7 and 8pm. Unfortunately i was at a house warming party in Wantirna and didnt get much of an opportunity to view the action, however there was quite a few cc's and a few cg's as well. A couple of them were close with loud thunder that shook the house. The storms were accompanied by brief heavy rain and squally winds, they moved through pretty quickly with a period of light rain afterwards, 10.2mm of rain in the gauge this morning in Croydon. Last month was warm and fairly dry in the Melbourne area just 55.4mm of rain here in Croydon ( ave is over 90mm) Dane. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [155.144.17.252] From: "Simon" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne's Electrical Storm Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:03:41 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2001 23:03:41.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[25DD28A0:01C14A04] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com


Was outside my house saying goodbye to my sister last night, when I felt the wind pick up and the pressure drop - it had "that feeling" about it. I quickly rushed off my sister, and then my wife and I jumped in the car and went about 5km down the road to the boat ramp and cliffs of Mt. Martha.

We watched the whole thing come across the bay from the West.

I also managed to get my first lightning strike on digital film! (after shooting (literally) over 150 shots). The forks were magnificent! As it came in over Port Philip Bay, there was a sunset, trying to break through the clouds, leaving a wonderful ruddy haze as the lightning began. Last night was truely awesome... I love living by the bay to be able to watch them come in, and only need 5 minutes notice!

 

Simon



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From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cloud band bulge!. Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:10:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 01:12:01.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[12F55B10:01C14A16] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Interesting feature on the clearing edge of the cloud band over southeast Aus this morning with a distinctive bulge pushing south-westward just north of Melbourne and has propagated along the line from southern NSW over the past 6 hours worth watching, also the weakening low west of Tas is continuing to edge eastward rather than south-eastward, the position of the low and the 'Bulge' may be connected. regards clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:43:32 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: CHASE REPORT: Vic chaser who headed out west Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Here's my account of what happened yesterday at Ararat in western Vic: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_09_30/today.html It was a great day with lightning all over the place, hence proving a bit hard to get on video, but I did get one doosy of a CG. The rest are pretty crap when compared to it! And I didn't realise it was a night GF in the rugby league. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:49:52 +1000 From: Kevin Parkyn Organization: Bureau of Meteorology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Subject: aus-wx: Vic storms Sunday 30 September Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, Well the convection season is truly off and running in Victoria thanks to a spectacular line of thunderstorms that really started to mature late Sunday afternoon to the west of Melbourne. The viewing I'm sure most would agree was nothing short of spectacular. Firstly I'd like to thank those who take the time to put a few words together and describe their weather watching experiences. It certainly helps me and others in the forecasting office who I know would love to be amongst it but are sometimes too busy to appreciate the 'atmospheric cauldron' first-hand. The feedback from some of the Vic chasers is nothing short of exceptional, particularly Jane, Clyve, Robert and co. So I would like to say thank you on behalf of the Severe Weather Section here in Vic. On the forecasting bench what we really crave sometimes are actual weather observations or reports of damage. If you are one of the Bureau's storm spotters we would very much appreciate a call on the toll free number if you come across something interesting that you think we should know about. That number will usually take you straight through to the severe weather forecaster or one of the operational meteorologists. If you do call we'd of course like to discuss everything meteorological but unfortunately in the 'heat of the battle' we don't usually have much time. Finally, with respect to Sunday evening did anyone, apart from Clyve (who seems live in Victoria's severe weather belt!), come across any damage to property or vegetation or perhaps experienced severe wind gusts in excess of 90 km/hr? Regards, -- Kevin Parkyn Meteorologist Severe Weather Section Victorian Regional Office Bureau of Meteorology Ph: 03 9669 4972 or 03 9669 4923 Fax: 03 9663 4964 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Views and opinions expressed in this transmission may be those personally held by me and do not necessarily represent the position of the Bureau of Meteorology. --------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p411-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.157] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:17:29 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: If AVN is correct, Tuesday 2 Oct - West Hunter to Sydney Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If AVN is correct, Tuesday 2 Oct - West Hunter to Sydney - late afternoon / dusk / early evening, looks good. http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100215z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100212z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100209z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100206z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100203z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100200z.gif +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: NSW STA To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "David Carroll" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:22:04 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 01/10/2001 05:22:05 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDN28300 TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1655 on Monday the 1st of October 2001 This advice affects people in the following weather districts: Riverina east of a line through Hay to Corowa South West Slopes south of a line through Temora to Tumut ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Country Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Off topic sort of Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:00:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm looking for some on-line maps. I know we have auslig etc but is there anything for the bush areas? Eg. Forests etc. Maybe heading Into the hills in a week or so and just wondered. Thanks. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Victorian storms Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:50:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, These are the storms around Rutherglen at dusk today, courtesy of Bussie in Rutherglen!!! http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_10_01.htm Look out NSW!! The NSW aviation forecast (inland - Area 22) makes great reading!! SEVERAL WEAK SURFACE TROUGHS IN AREA, AND A DISTINCT UPPER TROUGH SLOPING WESTWARDS WITH HEIGHT, AT 3000 FT EXPECTED HUNGERFORD/HAY AT 11Z AND GOODOOGA/FORBES AT 23Z, AND AT 10000 FT REACHING FAR SOUTHWEST OF AREA ABOUT 23Z. RAIN AND ISOLATED EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS EAST OF TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND SOUTHWEST OF BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT FIRST, GRADUALLY EXTENDING NORTHEAST. CLOUD: ISOL EMBD CB 3000/35000 BETWEEN TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT FIRST, EXTENDING NE. Enjoy!! - I know we did Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p411-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.157] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:55:27 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, Bussie Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off (the beaten track ?) topic - sort of ? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Where do you want to go Bussie ? One you could play with is: http://birds.rhyme.com.au/virtmap/oz/200/800_600/133_00_00/27_00_00/birds.html Assuming you are looking at Vic sticks try: http://birds.rhyme.com.au/virtmap/oz/50/800_600/145_00_00/36_00_00/birds.html Note: the "50" is the magnification (it works backwards - 40 is zoom in - 60 is zoom out), the 800_600 is the pixel size (change to whatever you want) and the centre position of the image is defined by the Longitude (145_00_00) and Latitude (36_00_00). PC Bussie wrote: > I'm looking for some on-line maps. I know we have auslig etc but is there > anything for the bush areas? Eg. Forests etc. Maybe heading Into the hills > in a week or so and just wondered. Thanks. > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: NSW STA To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "David Carroll" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:06:24 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 01/10/2001 08:06:25 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1957 on Monday the 1st of October 2001 This advice replaces the advice issued at 16:55 and now affects people in the following weather districts: Riverina east of a line through Hay to Corowa [including Corowa] South West Slopes west of a line through West Wyalong and Cootamundra ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Country Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p99-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.99] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:19:38 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one possibly splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. Jimmy Deguara At 08:06 PM 1/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST > >NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE >Issued at 1957 on Monday the 1st of October 2001 > >This advice replaces the advice issued at 16:55 and now affects people in >the following weather districts: > >Riverina east of a line through Hay to Corowa [including Corowa] >South West Slopes west of a line through West Wyalong and Cootamundra > > > >##################################################################################### >This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential >information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and >notify the >sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender, and are >not necessarily the views of Country Energy. >##################################################################################### > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Shutting down Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:32:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm shutting down! What's approaching from the NW looks very menacing. Why is he laughing??? Light rain now and lot's of lightning and rumbles are getting louder. May have something to say later. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Approaching storm. Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:21:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just had a look at radar (thanks Dave) and thought I better have a "visual". Lots of lightning now to the North of here but still a little way away as nothing heard. Bet I don't beat Clyve's 122kmh (Hope I don't anyway). Frogs are quiet (hiding I think). Being a bit of a dead spot it's unusual to see pinks on the radar approaching me from the NW. I'll wait and see. Did notice today though that the young slaters had headed for the veranda again. Watching........... I'm Big Kev and I'm excited......... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:39:55 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > Hi all, > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one possibly > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:53:43 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Shutting down Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Again I emphasize (sp) that you vics should move to Bussie's town ! :) Matt Bussie wrote: > I'm shutting down! What's approaching from the NW looks very menacing. Why > is he laughing??? > Light rain now and lot's of lightning and rumbles are getting louder. May > have something to say later. > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.138.25.69] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sultry Sunday in Colac, and driving home in the lightning! Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:55:35 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 10:55:36.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[998DAB90:01C14A67] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey People what a way to end a magnificent weekend! Real Cbs across western vic. All the action started in Colac at about 6pm with nice Alta Cu Castles. I took quite a few digi pics so I'll get them n the net very soon (this isn't my pc) some nice pics for the event and some from last week. It was an awesome drive home with CGs left right and centre, nice anvil, cloud base, crawling CCs, and nice heavy rain, but I have no idea how much I got in the guage coes it fell over! Took a few more digi pics of this avos cold Cbs that developed to the south of here late in the avo. Hopefully it's a start of something good cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: Robert Goler >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Vic chasers heading out west >Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:04:41 +1000 (EST) > > >Hi all > >Just informing y'all that I'll be heading out towards the Stawell area in >western Vic. Jane has already left for the same area. If the rugby >league GF starts getting boring, then feel free to update me on > >0408 vortex > >Here's hoping for some action this arvo. > > >Cheers > >-- > >Robert A. Goler > >School of Mathematical Sciences >Monash University >Clayton, Vic 3800 >Australia > >ph. +61 3 9905 4424 >email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > >-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:59:58 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com No chasers live in far S/SW NSW Jane. Matt Smith Jane ONeill wrote: > Evening all, > > These are the storms around Rutherglen at dusk today, courtesy of Bussie > in Rutherglen!!! > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_10_01.htm > > Look out NSW!! > > The NSW aviation forecast (inland - Area 22) makes great reading!! > > SEVERAL WEAK SURFACE TROUGHS IN AREA, AND A DISTINCT UPPER TROUGH > SLOPING WESTWARDS WITH HEIGHT, AT 3000 FT EXPECTED HUNGERFORD/HAY AT 11Z > AND GOODOOGA/FORBES AT 23Z, AND AT 10000 FT REACHING FAR SOUTHWEST OF > AREA ABOUT 23Z. RAIN AND ISOLATED EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS EAST OF > TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND SOUTHWEST OF BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT FIRST, GRADUALLY > EXTENDING NORTHEAST. > > > CLOUD: > ISOL EMBD CB 3000/35000 BETWEEN TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT > FIRST, EXTENDING NE. > > Enjoy!! - I know we did > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Approaching storm. Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:22:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 11:23:56.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F536D50:01C14A6B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie. I cant help it I keep having a look at my video clip of the microburst just to stay excited ,although I was that rushed with adrenalin when taking it , it looks just like a typical 'back yard video job' you know camera jumping around everywhere that sought of stuff......regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussie To: weather list Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: aus-wx: Approaching storm. > Just had a look at radar (thanks Dave) and thought I better have a "visual". > Lots of lightning now to the North of here but still a little way away as > nothing heard. Bet I don't beat Clyve's 122kmh (Hope I don't anyway). Frogs > are quiet (hiding I think). Being a bit of a dead spot it's unusual to see > pinks on the radar approaching me from the NW. I'll wait and see. Did notice > today though that the young slaters had headed for the veranda again. > Watching........... > I'm Big Kev and I'm excited......... > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Brilliant stuff Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:23:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A nice thunderstorm has just passed over here, although I think it may have only been the edge. Very active and heavy rain, getting to 96mm an hour here at one stage and currently moving SE. I got 11.2 mm and a gust of 55.5kmh from the north. Some nutbag thought it'd be a good idea to put the video cam out to film it. Hehe. Bit wet but was still going. I wiped the water off the lense at one stage. Interesting to see. Just noticed that the temp has risen again, as well as the DP and humidity. Maybe it's not all over yet?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:29:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm definitely interested here as I saw that too!! Was a little concerned that I may have been seeing things but someone else was here and is a bit interested in the weather and me being a junior just mentioned that I noticed a bit of a hook and wasn't too sure. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Findlay" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head and > the result was this: > > Hi all, > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one possibly > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:31:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Eveing all, This is rather interesting....on the 2030 satpic, this whole system seems to be tilting positive longitudinal whilst dragging a huge amount of water vapour in from the Indian Ocean - what's happening here? Looks suspiciously like a low could develop? (or is this a wish forecast?) BTW, Bussie got a 56kmh windgust, 96mm rainfall return rate, lots of cgs & a rather damp video from being outside in the middle of a raging thunderstorm........do you reckon he's been enjoying himself? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head and > the result was this: > > Hi all, > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one possibly > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Something going on! Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:40:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 11:41:42.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A40EE50:01C14A6E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all weather people. Some interesting things going on over Aus at the moment check the sudden strengthening of the sub tropical jet over central Aus and an associated baroclinic cloud band (moisture ex west of Indonesia) just commencing to join with the cloud band stalling over south-eastern Australia.Also there appears to be a wave over north-eastern Vic along the clearing edge of the cloud band, enhanced uplift going on here too with a few storms ,also there is some unusual movement of the large cloud band north of New Zealand which has been edging towards the southwest over the past 12 hours! and a lingering cold pool west of Tasmania all worth keeping a close look at with the possibility of vorticity near to southeastern Aus.. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Approaching storm. Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:36:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just like the one I probably took with a wet video camera. I was inside but it was outside in a "nice spot" taking footage. I'm interested to see what it got. Was dark of course. I did get a 55.5 kmh burst though. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Approaching storm. > Hi Bussie. > I cant help it I keep having a look at my video clip of the microburst just > to stay excited ,although I was that rushed with adrenalin when taking it , > it looks just like a typical 'back yard video job' you know camera jumping > around everywhere that sought of stuff......regards Clyve H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bussie > To: weather list > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:21 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Approaching storm. > > > > Just had a look at radar (thanks Dave) and thought I better have a > "visual". > > Lots of lightning now to the North of here but still a little way away as > > nothing heard. Bet I don't beat Clyve's 122kmh (Hope I don't anyway). > Frogs > > are quiet (hiding I think). Being a bit of a dead spot it's unusual to see > > pinks on the radar approaching me from the NW. I'll wait and see. Did > notice > > today though that the young slaters had headed for the veranda again. > > Watching........... > > I'm Big Kev and I'm excited......... > > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian storms Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:43:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Bet they do! We just haven't met them yet! Well! Maybe not storm chasers but I bet any money there's someone there that likes watching them!! :-) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Smith" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian storms > > No chasers live in far S/SW NSW Jane. > > Matt Smith > > Jane ONeill wrote: > > > Evening all, > > > > These are the storms around Rutherglen at dusk today, courtesy of Bussie > > in Rutherglen!!! > > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_10_01.htm > > > > Look out NSW!! > > > > The NSW aviation forecast (inland - Area 22) makes great reading!! > > > > SEVERAL WEAK SURFACE TROUGHS IN AREA, AND A DISTINCT UPPER TROUGH > > SLOPING WESTWARDS WITH HEIGHT, AT 3000 FT EXPECTED HUNGERFORD/HAY AT 11Z > > AND GOODOOGA/FORBES AT 23Z, AND AT 10000 FT REACHING FAR SOUTHWEST OF > > AREA ABOUT 23Z. RAIN AND ISOLATED EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS EAST OF > > TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND SOUTHWEST OF BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT FIRST, GRADUALLY > > EXTENDING NORTHEAST. > > > > > > CLOUD: > > ISOL EMBD CB 3000/35000 BETWEEN TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT > > FIRST, EXTENDING NE. > > > > Enjoy!! - I know we did > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:46:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Shh. I was....... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > Eveing all, > > This is rather interesting....on the 2030 satpic, this whole system > seems to be tilting positive longitudinal whilst dragging a huge amount > of water vapour in from the Indian Ocean - what's happening here? Looks > suspiciously like a low could develop? (or is this a wish forecast?) > > BTW, Bussie got a 56kmh windgust, 96mm rainfall return rate, lots of cgs > & a rather damp video from being outside in the middle of a raging > thunderstorm........do you reckon he's been enjoying himself? > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head > and > > the result was this: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one > possibly > > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.138.25.43] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Something going on! Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:57:48 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 11:57:48.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A5B8930:01C14A70] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Is it possible this Low could become cut off??? it does look a little cradled? I'm currently uploading all my digi pics, shall be online soon http://www.geocities.com/mister_t1000/Pics2001/ cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: "clyve herbert" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Something going on! >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:40:31 +1000 > >Hi all weather people. >Some interesting things going on over Aus at the moment check the sudden >strengthening of the sub tropical jet over central Aus and an associated >baroclinic cloud band (moisture ex west of Indonesia) just commencing to >join with the cloud band stalling over south-eastern Australia.Also there >appears to be a wave over north-eastern Vic along the clearing edge of the >cloud band, enhanced uplift going on here too with a few storms ,also there >is some unusual movement of the large cloud band north of New Zealand which >has been edging towards the southwest over the past 12 hours! and a >lingering cold pool west of Tasmania all worth keeping a close look at >with >the possibility of vorticity near to southeastern Aus.. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 22:00:01 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Something going on! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve how are you this evening I agree ! Sat pic looks very interesting over NSW at the moment, hopefully a defined low centre will form in the next few hours... look out tomorrow NSW people, if the could clears it will go off like a rocket. (wednesday looks good also at this stage) Take your camera's, with the jet strengthening and forecast instability around,we could see some big storms develope.. looking forward to tomorrows sounding ! Matt Smith clyve herbert wrote: > Hi all weather people. > Some interesting things going on over Aus at the moment check the sudden > strengthening of the sub tropical jet over central Aus and an associated > baroclinic cloud band (moisture ex west of Indonesia) just commencing to > join with the cloud band stalling over south-eastern Australia.Also there > appears to be a wave over north-eastern Vic along the clearing edge of the > cloud band, enhanced uplift going on here too with a few storms ,also there > is some unusual movement of the large cloud band north of New Zealand which > has been edging towards the southwest over the past 12 hours! and a > lingering cold pool west of Tasmania all worth keeping a close look at with > the possibility of vorticity near to southeastern Aus.. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: NSW Storms Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:02:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
 
Looks pretty impressive ATM to the west of canberra, just finished work,(thank god for the public holiday, or i wouldn't finish till midnight!!!) looks like canberra will miss out though, with the cells moving quite radpidly SE'ly, slipping into south ACT. did see a flash of lightning 20 minutes ago, but was quie distant. we may just get a few flashes but as for rain or storms, i dont think so... maybe tomorrow, headline states chance of a t'storm.
 
Cheers,
Simon Angell
Canberra ACT
From: "islesit" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:15:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dear Bussie, Seems like you have been having all the fun over last two days. Im patiently waiting up here on the north coast. Forecast of storms for next two days. If we get anything interesting ill let you know. Good to see your finally getting some weather. Ian Isles Coffs Harbour -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussie Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 9:47 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Shh. I was....... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > Eveing all, > > This is rather interesting....on the 2030 satpic, this whole system > seems to be tilting positive longitudinal whilst dragging a huge amount > of water vapour in from the Indian Ocean - what's happening here? Looks > suspiciously like a low could develop? (or is this a wish forecast?) > > BTW, Bussie got a 56kmh windgust, 96mm rainfall return rate, lots of cgs > & a rather damp video from being outside in the middle of a raging > thunderstorm........do you reckon he's been enjoying himself? > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head > and > > the result was this: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one > possibly > > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:42:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anyone know when the Yarrawonga radar will be up and functional?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:39:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com God knows though that I've waited long enough, and so have others of course. Must admit though, all the stuff I see over the spring and summer; I wish I lived in the ranges! My cousin (a farmer) says that the next farm he gets will be in the ranges as that's where everything is forecast for :-) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "islesit" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: NSW STA > Dear Bussie, > > Seems like you have been having all the fun over last two days. > > Im patiently waiting up here on the north coast. Forecast of storms for next > two days. > > If we get anything interesting ill let you know. > > Good to see your finally getting some weather. > > Ian Isles > > Coffs Harbour > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussie > Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 9:47 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > > Shh. I was....... > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > > > > Eveing all, > > > > This is rather interesting....on the 2030 satpic, this whole system > > seems to be tilting positive longitudinal whilst dragging a huge amount > > of water vapour in from the Indian Ocean - what's happening here? Looks > > suspiciously like a low could develop? (or is this a wish forecast?) > > > > BTW, Bussie got a 56kmh windgust, 96mm rainfall return rate, lots of cgs > > & a rather damp video from being outside in the middle of a raging > > thunderstorm........do you reckon he's been enjoying himself? > > > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head > > and > > > the result was this: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one > > possibly > > > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > > > > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > > > > > David > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > > -- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Bush Subject: aus-wx: Dampier Sunset To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Back from my winter hibernation :P Had a fantastic sunset here on the NW coast this evening :) I took these pics at Dampier between 6-7pm WST http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset1.jpg http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset2.jpg http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset3.jpg http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset4.jpg http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset5.jpg Hopefully I'll have some nice CB pics before the months over :) Best Regards JJ Karratha WA ICQ 6187498 www.karrathaweather.org #weather chat: http://javachat.karrathaweather.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Rapid storm development in Illawarra Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:16:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com In the space of an hour a lovely line of storms has developed here in the Illawarra. On the lightning tracker it shows very well, and seems to be a new trough ( yikes close CG, may have to log off soon ) as you trace it way NW to Coonabarabran. Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: "aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com" Subject: aus-wx: Whirly Whirlies Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:34:55 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day all My wife is a Historian/Librarian for the local Alice Springs Library. She was looking at a 1950's CSIRO book, and found some interesting experiments they undertook at the time. One of them was to determine what direction whirlywinds spun around in. To measure this, the scientists had to grab bits of screwed up paper whenever a whirlywind went past, chase after it and toss the paper in, then watch which way the paper spun around! 90% of the time it was anti-clockwise!! The book said that they quite often couldn't catch up with the whirlywinds, and obviously they never knew when they were coming, so it was just a casual experiment. On more current matters, hundreds of fires have been burning in and around Alice Springs for the past few months, creating a smoke plume everyday. Nearly all have been deliberately lit, and not for environmental reasons. The entire Simpson Gap Park has been burnt out, and thousands of hectares of pastoral land which had plenty of feed from recent rains is now black and crispy. This is the 'Windy' season at the moment, so not good for the control of fires. I don't really know why it is always so windy at this time if the year, but many old time pastoralists and aboriginal elders always tell stories of continous dust storms at this time of the year. Maybe it has something to do with Central Australia falling on the extremes of heat lows coming down from the North, and Dry Highs coming up from the South. Cheers, Duncan (equal second in the Weather List Footy Tips Comp. - dgt. Congratulations to Crows Forever for winning - and what a great team to name your tipping name after!) 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Nice big house shaking thunder here at Blaxland, and moments of heavy rain. ____________________________ Daniel Weatherhead weatherhead at ozemail.com.au Blaxland, NSW ============================ SYDNEY STORM CHASERS http://www.sydneystormchasers.com ============================ ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: aus-wx: Rapid storm development in Illawarra > In the space of an hour a lovely line of storms has developed here in the > Illawarra. > > On the lightning tracker it shows very well, and seems to be a new trough > ( yikes close CG, may have to log off soon ) as you trace it way NW to > Coonabarabran. > > > Michael Thompson > http://ozthunder.com > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy \(home\)" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:22:56 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Bussie Should be up by about March 2002 http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/ho/010329.shtml Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Bussie Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 10:42 PM To: weather list Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Anyone know when the Yarrawonga radar will be up and functional?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Flow patterns. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:42:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 00:43:42.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[492661F0:01C14ADB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Interesting flow patterns over central Vic this morning,surface flow from south west however above 1200m all cloud moving from almost due north, the north east of Vic looks ok for activity this afternoon. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.84.119.147] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: dream forecast :) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 11:34:06 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 01:34:06.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[53599A50:01C14AE2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This is sydneys forecast for this arvo :) IDN10064 METROPOLITAN FORECAST BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 11:25am on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001 Sydney Metropolitan: For remainder of today and Wednesday Partly cloudy. Some showers and thunderstorms, possibly severe, developing this afternoon, evening, overnight and again Wednesday afternoon. Chance of early morning fogs in west. North to northeast winds, moderate to fresh on the coast late afternoon and evening today, becoming light northwest to southwest tonight. Coastal sea breezes tomorrow afternoon ahead of a southerly change in the evening. I cant help but drool :) i say bring it on... its looking like its already starting to fire a little bit over the blue mountains... Michael Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:59:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 02:01:00.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[155B4100:01C14AE6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Looks as if much of eastern Vic and even the possibility of central Vic may see some decent thunderstorm activity today, already some good lightning returns on the lightning detector all within 100 to 200 klm of Melbourne (am radio) its interesting to note all this has fired up over the last 1 hour or so, keep a lookout. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flow patterns. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:59:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 02:00:27.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[01D87120:01C14AE6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve, Today has my attention ;-). After looking at a few things this morning I thought there maybe a chance of thunderstorms anywhere east of Melbourne. There are now showers pulsing into the yellow to the W of Melbourne so I may even have to revise my forecast further west. A significant upper trough is approaching from the W and upper temps are already low with 500mb temps of -22C. Surface temps around 20-22C should see storms pop here today. There is already some nice cells over the E ranges and along the SE coast near Sale. Should be an interesting day for much of the E coast of Australia with severe storms likely in NSW. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: clyve herbert To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > Hi all. > Interesting flow patterns over central Vic this morning,surface flow from > south west however above 1200m all cloud moving from almost due north, the > north east of Vic looks ok for activity this afternoon. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:54:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :)

Wollongong 11:50 EST

It has cleared completely here now that the mid and upper level cloud has burnt off/shoved off and is heating up very quickly. Feeling quite humid and definately like it's going to go right off!! At 9:30 there was some nice cumulous hugging the escarpment with bases at around 600-700m. If things start firing today on the back of a fresh NE'er I'll bet that the area around Sutherland to Banskstown might be the place to be, providing of course the storms propogate in a northerly direction from the Illawarra escarpment. History is showing this to be a good path. Hers hoping for the below to happen. All cameras filmed up and ready to shoot.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Olsen [mailto:phycho_little_duck at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 11:34 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: dream forecast :)


This is sydneys forecast for this arvo :)

IDN10064
METROPOLITAN FORECAST
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 11:25am on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001

Sydney Metropolitan: For remainder of today and Wednesday
Partly cloudy. Some showers and thunderstorms, possibly severe,
developing this afternoon, evening, overnight and again Wednesday
afternoon.  Chance of early morning fogs in west.
North to northeast winds, moderate to fresh on the coast late
afternoon and evening today, becoming light northwest to southwest
tonight. Coastal sea breezes tomorrow afternoon ahead of a southerly
change in the evening.


I cant help but drool :)

i say bring it on... its looking like its already starting to fire a little
bit over the blue mountains...

Michael Olsen

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From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Storm again Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:19:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Another thunderstorm to the North at present. Thunder getting closer and more distinct :-) Outa here. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:19:21 +1000 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: dream forecast :) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Here in Bathurst getting plenty of thunder, havent seen any lightning as yet. Very dark over Mt Panorama and dark to the west of Bathurst. BRING IT ON EVERYONE!!! Dave Bathurst Michael Olsen wrote: > > This is sydneys forecast for this arvo :) > > IDN10064 > METROPOLITAN FORECAST > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > Issued at 11:25am on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001 > > Sydney Metropolitan: For remainder of today and Wednesday > Partly cloudy. Some showers and thunderstorms, possibly severe, > developing this afternoon, evening, overnight and again Wednesday > afternoon. Chance of early morning fogs in west. > North to northeast winds, moderate to fresh on the coast late > afternoon and evening today, becoming light northwest to southwest > tonight. Coastal sea breezes tomorrow afternoon ahead of a southerly > change in the evening. > > I cant help but drool :) > > i say bring it on... its looking like its already starting to fire a little > bit over the blue mountains... > > Michael Olsen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:20:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow, seems like everyone is primed for action today (myself included). I admit, the latest forecast is a bit of a dream... AVN model is dreaming nicely too, 8:22am dataset has LI's hovering between -4 and -6 for the entire afternoon (Sydney Metro area) and CAPE around 1000-1200 J/kg. Plenty of fuel around from last nights showers anyhow, outside it is pretty muggy indeed. Most sites in Sydney now showing 23-24C, and still rising. The 6am YSSY sounding puts LI's at -4.8C assuming Ts of 25.4. Still, we might get close. Sounding even puts tot-tots at 49, most other models hovering around 50 I think. Any other comments on this mornings trace, or is everyone waiting for the next one this afternoon? :-) Regards, Mal Ninnes (Western Sydney) > ---------- > From: Godsman, Andrew AG[SMTP:Andrew.G.Godsman at bhpbilliton.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 11:54 > To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' > Subject: RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :) > > Wollongong 11:50 EST > > It has cleared completely here now that the mid and upper level cloud has > burnt off/shoved off and is heating up very quickly. Feeling quite humid > and definately like it's going to go right off!! At 9:30 there was some > nice cumulous hugging the escarpment with bases at around 600-700m. If > things start firing today on the back of a fresh NE'er I'll bet that the > area around Sutherland to Banskstown might be the place to be, providing > of course the storms propogate in a northerly direction from the Illawarra > escarpment. History is showing this to be a good path. Hers hoping for the > below to happen. All cameras filmed up and ready to shoot. > > Cheers > Andrew Godsman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Olsen [ mailto:phycho_little_duck at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 11:34 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: dream forecast :) > > > This is sydneys forecast for this arvo :) > > IDN10064 > METROPOLITAN FORECAST > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > Issued at 11:25am on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001 > > Sydney Metropolitan: For remainder of today and Wednesday > Partly cloudy. Some showers and thunderstorms, possibly severe, > developing this afternoon, evening, overnight and again Wednesday > afternoon.  Chance of early morning fogs in west. > North to northeast winds, moderate to fresh on the coast late > afternoon and evening today, becoming light northwest to southwest > tonight. Coastal sea breezes tomorrow afternoon ahead of a southerly > change in the evening. > > > I cant help but drool :) > > i say bring it on... its looking like its already starting to fire a > little > bit over the blue mountains... > > Michael Olsen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >  To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >  with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >  message. >  -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > EOM > > NOTICE - This message and any attached files may contain information that > is confidential and/or subject of legal privilege intended only for use by > the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the > person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, > be advised that you have received this message in error and that any > dissemination, copying or use of this message or attachment is strictly > forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information therein.  If you have > received this message in error please notify the sender immediately and > delete the message. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:26:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 02:27:40.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF0BD8A0:01C14AE9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve, Cells reaching pink intensity to the W of Melbourne now. Cell been in the red for two frames near Bairnsdale now. The day gets more interesting. ;-) Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: clyve herbert To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. > Hi all. > Looks as if much of eastern Vic and even the possibility of central Vic may > see some decent thunderstorm activity today, already some good lightning > returns on the lightning detector all within 100 to 200 klm of Melbourne (am > radio) its interesting to note all this has fired up over the last 1 hour or > so, keep a lookout. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flow patterns. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:34:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 02:35:26.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4E72200:01C14AEA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Andrew. One can almost draw two lines at the moment. One running from Swan Hill to Cape Otway east of that line showers possibly heavy and the chance of thunder, and another line Echuca to Mt Macedon then east of Melbourne to the south Gippsland hills east of this line showers and thunder possibly severe. There's a 10 to 20mm shower just approaching Leopold see yaa...regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > Clyve, > > Today has my attention ;-). After looking at a few things this morning I > thought there maybe a chance of thunderstorms anywhere east of Melbourne. > There are now showers pulsing into the yellow to the W of Melbourne so I may > even have to revise my forecast further west. A significant upper trough is > approaching from the W and upper temps are already low with 500mb temps > of -22C. Surface temps around 20-22C should see storms pop here today. > There is already some nice cells over the E ranges and along the SE coast > near Sale. > > Should be an interesting day for much of the E coast of Australia with > severe storms likely in NSW. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clyve herbert > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:42 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > > > > Hi all. > > Interesting flow patterns over central Vic this morning,surface flow from > > south west however above 1200m all cloud moving from almost due north, the > > north east of Vic looks ok for activity this afternoon. regards Clyve H. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p172-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.172] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:48:01 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: South Coast storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com geroa / gerringong area just south of kiama is going to get plastered ! look at the embedded red spots on sydney local at 12:30 pm (02:30UTC) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:36:06 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dear aus-wx: If I had a very fast car, were invisible and had nothing else to do, I'd like to pull off the road somewhere N of West Wyalong ATM. VIS image shows a few storms with nice long streaming anvils. One of the storms appears to be in the process of splitting. Oh yes, I believe I am looking at supercells. The morning CBT sounding (to the NW) showed very good flow (100+ knots) at anvil level, and marginal shear for supercells. Look for easterly surface flows!! Low-level moisture isn't great, but workable. This moisture is probably a legacy from previous convection, rather than a genuine moisture feed off the Coral Sea. Mal typed earlier: > Most sites in Sydney now showing 23-24C, and still rising. The 6am YSSY > sounding puts LI's at -4.8C assuming Ts of 25.4. Still, we might get close. > Sounding even puts tot-tots at 49, most other models hovering around 50 I > think. The 2000 UTC SSY sounding shows a classic onion profile, indicative of convectively processed air. Although the surface mixing ratio is 12 g/kg (which explains the better part of the LI=-4.8 issue), it drops off to 7-8 g/kg below 900 hPa. This profile should have mixed out to a column average of ~8 g/kg by now. Onshore flow and ongoing convection will probably fill in the moisture hole, the latter at the expense of the dry adiabatic lapse rate segment around 800 hPa. Shear over SSY is a little weaker than over CTRL NSW. In any case, the NSW Regional Office is "going for" severe thunderstorms today stretching NNW from SE NSW. The W edge of their outlook area stretches from Wagga to Bourke, the E end from Gosford southward. I might chime in again later, Harald PS: Does anyone have high-res maps of surface winds over CTRL NSW - maybe our DIGITAL ATMOSPHERE people ?? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: South Coast storms Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:41:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com RE: aus-wx: South Coast storms

Peter, all

Wollongong 13:30 EST

Looks to be going right off to the west at the moment. Two rapidly building cells, one nearer to Camden with a nice large anvil strettching off to the E and NE, while the second cell is near Bowral and again looking quite mean. Both cells are backbuilding rapidly. If I was to guess I'd say they were moving from NW to SE direction. There is a bank of low cumulous cloud just over the escarpment which these cells are building from. Also seeing the anvils from west of the blue mountains as well.

The cell around the Kiama area is very hard to see due to low cloud, but if the direction of travel from the cell near Bowral is SE, this is where the action is originating from. It is going to be a HUGE afternoon, just in time for me to run home from work. I hope everyone gets their fair share of storm action, hopefully severe, but not causing too much damage to property.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

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geroa / gerringong area just south of kiama is going to get plastered !
look at the embedded red spots on sydney local at 12:30 pm (02:30UTC)

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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:15:32 +1000 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Oberon Storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Seems like nice storm thats headed from Oberon now heading SE, is pink on radar heading to Bowral/Wollongong . Another storm at Bowral now is red on radar. Dave +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:34:27 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Here are some captures I took with my video camera of the sponderific Cb to the east over the Dandenongs, just a few minutes ago: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_02/today.html Had my mouth drooling! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p172-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.172] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:39:36 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Oberon Storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Been watching the area w/sw of camden for a hour or two - it seems to be a cell breading ground - often going pink - cell moves se, then dies, then 20 min later a new one starts in the same area as the first. Pretty obvious on 128 km sydney loops. interesting. PC David Carroll wrote: > Hi all. > > Seems like nice storm thats headed from Oberon now heading SE, is pink > on radar heading to Bowral/Wollongong . Another storm at Bowral now is > red on radar. > > Dave > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Flow patterns. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:41:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ...and the hardest part is knowing that it is out there & not being able to get amongst it!!!! I managed to shoot up the hill for a quick couple of photos & spotted a very grunty Cj to the southeast & more coming from the west. Looked like a hail shaft ot the SE as well..... Dontcha just love spring!!!!!!!! Jane Hi Andrew. One can almost draw two lines at the moment. One running from Swan Hill to Cape Otway east of that line showers possibly heavy and the chance of thunder, and another line Echuca to Mt Macedon then east of Melbourne to the south Gippsland hills east of this line showers and thunder possibly severe. There's a 10 to 20mm shower just approaching Leopold see yaa...regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > Clyve, > > Today has my attention ;-). After looking at a few things this morning I > thought there maybe a chance of thunderstorms anywhere east of Melbourne. > There are now showers pulsing into the yellow to the W of Melbourne so I may > even have to revise my forecast further west. A significant upper trough is > approaching from the W and upper temps are already low with 500mb temps > of -22C. Surface temps around 20-22C should see storms pop here today. > There is already some nice cells over the E ranges and along the SE coast > near Sale. > > Should be an interesting day for much of the E coast of Australia with > severe storms likely in NSW. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clyve herbert > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:42 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > > > > Hi all. > > Interesting flow patterns over central Vic this morning,surface flow from > > south west however above 1200m all cloud moving from almost due north, the > > north east of Vic looks ok for activity this afternoon. regards Clyve H. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Oberon Storm Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:55:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 14:55EST Hi Peter, Bowral has always been a good cell 'breeding ground' for as long as I've lived in Sydney. :) Take a look at the 128km loop from Kurnell from 0345Z - 0435Z though... check out the direction on the cell near Mittagong, and then compare it to the others :) I will have to watch it for a few more frames yet, to see if it is moving against the main flow. Mal Ninnes Sydney > ---------- > From: Peter Creswick[SMTP:ventus45 at ihug.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 14:39 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Oberon Storm > > Been watching the area w/sw of camden for a hour or two - it seems to be a > cell breading ground - often going pink - cell moves se, then dies, then > 20 > min later a new one starts in the same area as the first. Pretty obvious > on > 128 km sydney loops. interesting. > PC > > David Carroll wrote: > > > Hi all. > > > > Seems like nice storm thats headed from Oberon now heading SE, is pink > > on radar heading to Bowral/Wollongong . Another storm at Bowral now is > > red on radar. > > > > Dave > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Smail" To: Subject: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:26:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Our third thunder & lightning show in 8 days is now under way. Not as far east as forecast. Nothing spectacular yet! Light rain just starting. Lindsay Smail. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.3] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sydney: 330pm Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:32:32 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 05:32:32.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2563BB0:01C14B03] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey everyone, Man did I rush home from work!, caught glimpses of some large cells to sw of Sydney from there, right now (330pm) i'm looking at an area of massiveness to the north west of Sydney, it's like a line of very dark haze with boiling cumulus features popping over the haze line all over the place, it must be distant because radar isnt showing it, but it looks kinda close maybe cause of its size (hope so!),, the systems have appeared to move nw-se so this one could be nearing Sydney by 5-6pm, in which case i think the STW's will be in full effect, my heart is pumping already :))))))))))))),, keep those posts a comin!... Rune p.s has there ever been a better forecast for Sydney metro that anyone can remember? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:50:16 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I notice that Bathurst had 4.6 mm in 1 minutes at 12.33 pm and 10 in 30 minms. ... at its peask that's 276 mm /hr !! Moss Vale AWS had 23.6 mm to 3 pm but nothing to 2.30.... interesting to see if any breakdown is available from there Don White +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.3] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: ......15 mins later :) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:56:03 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 05:56:03.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB7A6AC0:01C14B06] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry to post again, but very deep booms have now started emanating from the northwest at 345, the sun is still out, 24.0C, very muggy, me and a mate are heading towards Maroota for a better look, this is very exciting!! That thunder is so damn deep! shakin my soul :)) >From: "Rune Peitersen" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Sydney: 330pm >Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:32:32 +1000 > > Hey everyone, > Man did I rush home from work!, caught glimpses of some large cells >to sw of Sydney from there, right now (330pm) i'm looking at an area of >massiveness to the north west of Sydney, it's like a line of very dark haze >with boiling cumulus features popping over the haze line all over the >place, >it must be distant because radar isnt showing it, but it looks kinda close >maybe cause of its size (hope so!),, the systems have appeared to move >nw-se so this one could be nearing Sydney by 5-6pm, in which case i think >the STW's will be in full effect, my heart is pumping already >:))))))))))))),, keep those posts a comin!... Rune > >p.s has there ever been a better forecast for Sydney metro that anyone can >remember? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:56:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 05:58:06.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[34785480:01C14B07] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A very nice cell has developed just NW of Melton and has just hit red on radar. Some very solid updrafts can be seen from here and it looks like a line of cells may develop N of this. I can also see the now decaying cell/s that were over the Geelong area earlier - a nice cluster of weak multicells. Could be an interesting afternoon/evening across Central, Eastern and North Eastern Victoria. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsay Smail To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST > Our third thunder & lightning show in 8 days is now under way. Not as far > east as forecast. Nothing spectacular yet! Light rain just starting. > Lindsay Smail. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:56:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 06:57:40.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[86BB77B0:01C14B0F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The bureau have amended their forecast for Victoria and Melbourne with thunderstorms and chance of hail mentioned in here. I wonder if they had a report of hail or if its just becuase its fairly cool aloft. Cell which was near Melton was red for 3 frames but recently has weakened considerably. New development is taking place just N of Sunbury and should drift SE across Melbourne over the next hour or so. Some nice multicells have been occuring over the west cetral districts this afternoon and should continue for a while this evening. More storms are possible in eastern and north eastern districts overnight and tomorrow before contracting to far eastern areas on thursday. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST > A very nice cell has developed just NW of Melton and has just hit red on > radar. Some very solid updrafts can be seen from here and it looks like a > line of cells may develop N of this. I can also see the now decaying cell/s > that were over the Geelong area earlier - a nice cluster of weak multicells. > > Could be an interesting afternoon/evening across Central, Eastern and North > Eastern Victoria. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lindsay Smail > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST > > > > Our third thunder & lightning show in 8 days is now under way. Not as far > > east as forecast. Nothing spectacular yet! Light rain just starting. > > Lindsay Smail. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Graeme Williams" To: Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:20:43 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some nice severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the most flexability without lugging bags of gear? Cheers, Graeme +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Late pm obs Geelong. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:40:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 07:42:09.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDA295F0:01C14B15] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. At 1730hrs some nice hard topped cells just starting to glaciate over the central ranges,also a beautiful backlit anvil just west of Geelong that has drifted off the ranges south east of Ballarat. At the moment winds have turned south easterly and low cu is drifting from the south moving underneath higher based cu still drifting from the north west and its rather cool at 12c. Mid levels still showing marked instability and persistent mid level snow streaks indicating a very nice cold layer between 12,000 and 20,000ft. There appears to be a mid level cold pool west of Melb and drifting east northeast. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:56:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 07:57:30.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2A96D90:01C14B17] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Graeme. I drag around two SLR's a canon T70 and a canon AE1 program, I use the AE1 most of the time with a rather good quality 28mm to 70mm zoom with a polarising lens, the T70 I leave loaded and ready with a 70mm to 200mm zoom, rather than stuff around changing lens I change camera's, also if I run out of film with the AE1 (I use Fuji 100asa) I grab my T70. I have been in positions having to change film in a hurry believe me it does not work I usually end up with bits everywhere.I also carry two camcorders a Sony handicam and a canon uc 4000 all video 8, the Sony is a better camera....the battery lasts much longer. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Williams To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > Hi, > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some nice > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > Cheers, > > Graeme > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: aMAZING RADAR Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:49:11 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If you have access to the net, have a look at Sydney local atm. Just impressive! Must be definite hail and twisters in that lot! :) Hope all the chasers are out in force! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:39:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Graeme, In my camera bag I usually carry what I will need for most situations, be they weather or aviation related. I have actually just stepped back inside from watching a nice rotating updraft. For this I used my Pentax Z-70 with a 28-80mm lens and my Sony Digital 8 video camera. I also carry a 70-300mm zoom and tripod and sometime my Pentax ME-F with it's lenses. Sometimes gets a bit heavy to lug around everywhere, but you can never have too many camera's when the sparks start flying. Regards, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Williams" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > Hi, > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some nice > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > Cheers, > > Graeme > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:53:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Graeme, I carry (at almost all times) an SLR with a 28 - 80mm lens, and a 75 - 300mm lens (the latter is my preferred lens). In the same camera bag I have a Sony video & in my normal bag (rucksack rather than shoulder bag) I carry a Kodak DC215 digital camera. I am never 'cameraless' having learnt my lesson early on & normally I have all 3 & can be seen juggling equipment to try & record everything on everything!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi Graeme. > I drag around two SLR's a canon T70 and a canon AE1 program, I use the AE1 > most of the time with a rather good quality 28mm to 70mm zoom with a > polarising lens, the T70 I leave loaded and ready with a 70mm to 200mm > zoom, rather than stuff around changing lens I change camera's, also if I > run out of film with the AE1 (I use Fuji 100asa) I grab my T70. I have been > in positions having to change film in a hurry believe me it does not work I > usually end up with bits everywhere.I also carry two camcorders a Sony > handicam and a canon uc 4000 all video 8, the Sony is a better camera....the > battery lasts much longer. regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graeme Williams > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:20 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > > > > Hi, > > > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some > nice > > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Graeme > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 02 Oct 01 18:57:07 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Andrew! 02 Oct 01 16:56, you wrote to All: A> Sunbury and should drift SE across Melbourne over the next hour or so. A> Some nice multicells have been occuring over the west cetral districts This cell passed well to the north of Niddrie at 6:30PM. Only distant thunder heard. Tony, VK3JED .. Disclaimed standards, apply :-) -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 02 Oct 01 18:53:58 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: TS 30/9 Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello All! Finally, some storm activity over the NW suburbs. :-) Had a couple of brief passing storms around 6PM Sunday night. Actually had to start disconnecting things in the shack (eeek! :) ). Anyway, only moderate rain, which continued into the night, and lightning was confined to CCs, didn't see any CGs at all. Also a distant rumble of thunder tonight from a cell passing several km to the north - looks like the local "storm shield" has reactivated itself... Tony, VK3JED .. This tagline is confused - it thinks it's a message. -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Late pm obs Geelong. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:29:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Spent an hour or so on the hill just north of the Eastern Freeway near Kew - Heidelberg after work photographing & videoing cells to the SE, NW near Macedon & the 'rotating' updraft (that Chris Daley mentioned) eastish of Mt Dandenong. This was a **very** powerful updraft & Chris SMS'd me just after I had reported it to the BoM (who then sent someone off to have a look) - and when I rang back to report that another ASWA member had mentioned rotation (from Mooroolbark) in the same cell, he didn't sound particularly surprised. Pics from this afternoon cn be found here:- http://www.stormchasers.au.com/02_10_01.htm Very intense precip between Lilydale & Healesville atm!! Pleased to report the first thunder heard in Bayswater for I don't know how many months!!!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi all. > At 1730hrs some nice hard topped cells just starting to glaciate over the > central ranges,also a beautiful backlit anvil just west of Geelong that has > drifted off the ranges south east of Ballarat. At the moment winds have > turned south easterly and low cu is drifting from the south moving > underneath higher based cu still drifting from the north west and its rather > cool at 12c. Mid levels still showing marked instability and persistent mid > level snow streaks indicating a very nice cold layer between 12,000 and > 20,000ft. There appears to be a mid level cold pool west of Melb and > drifting east northeast. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: aMAZING RADAR Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:38:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > If you have access to the net, have a look at Sydney local > atm. Just impressive! Must be definite hail and twisters in that lot! I just saw the most amazing thing... After watching a doco on cable the other night, that dealt with lightning (including a section on lightning and aircraft), what do I see outside, but a light aircraft flying south (just to the west of me) along a path parallel to the front. "I wonder if it would set of any lightning?" I think. *BANG*! One of the biggest and closest CC forks erupts around the aircraft! "Yup, I guess it will" p.s. A CG just hit within a few hundred meters of here in Kingsgrove, damn it was loud! -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Elmo knows where you live. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic STA Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:42:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 09:44:06.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[C74346C0:01C14B26] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, A cell developed just to the N of my place just on dark tonight and has continued to brew as it moves SE through the outer ENE sububrs of Melbourne (now been red for over an hour). THe BoM has issued a Severe Thunderstorm Advice for this cell. Priority Severe Thunderstorm Advice Issued at 7:31pm on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001 for the Central and West and South Gippsland Districts. An area of thunderstorms east of Yarra Glen is being tracked on radar and is showing indications of being severe. The thunderstorm is continuing to move steadily southeastwards at around 30km/h. Some hail, heavy rain and gusts above 100km/h are possible. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Late pm obs Geelong. > Evening all, > > Spent an hour or so on the hill just north of the Eastern Freeway near > Kew - Heidelberg after work photographing & videoing cells to the SE, NW > near Macedon & the 'rotating' updraft (that Chris Daley mentioned) > eastish of Mt Dandenong. This was a **very** powerful updraft & Chris > SMS'd me just after I had reported it to the BoM (who then sent someone > off to have a look) - and when I rang back to report that another ASWA > member had mentioned rotation (from Mooroolbark) in the same cell, he > didn't sound particularly surprised. > > Pics from this afternoon cn be found here:- > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/02_10_01.htm > > Very intense precip between Lilydale & Healesville atm!! Pleased to > report the first thunder heard in Bayswater for I don't know how many > months!!!! > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > Hi all. > > At 1730hrs some nice hard topped cells just starting to glaciate over > the > > central ranges,also a beautiful backlit anvil just west of Geelong > that has > > drifted off the ranges south east of Ballarat. At the moment winds > have > > turned south easterly and low cu is drifting from the south moving > > underneath higher based cu still drifting from the north west and its > rather > > cool at 12c. Mid levels still showing marked instability and > persistent mid > > level snow streaks indicating a very nice cold layer between 12,000 > and > > 20,000ft. There appears to be a mid level cold pool west of Melb and > > drifting east northeast. regards Clyve H. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: September Storm Chases Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:28:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 10:29:57.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EE33BE0:01C14B2D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Evening all,
 
After seeing today's action I thought i'd share some Victorian September action with you all.  Here are two brief chase reports with video captures of mine. 
 
 
Thanks HUGELY to Jane O'Neill for putting these reports on MSC.  If you'd like to see the whole page go to....
 
 
Regards, 
 
Andrew McDonald
X-Originating-IP: [210.50.72.61] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: aMAZING RADAR Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:29:12 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 10:29:12.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[13FA3220:01C14B2D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Paul, I had the exact same thing happen, i think the time was around 545pm, a light aircraft was flying overhead at Glenorie and was encircled by a CC that twisted all over the place, my video camera was pointing in the vague direction, i naturally squinted at the bolt which was almost overhead, so i think it might have hit. We had some intense activity here after that, a lighting bolt hit a telegraph pole within a couple of hundred metres of my house i would assume as we lost power that instant for about 1 minute, then lighting struck my house 5 minutes later, i was on the toilet at the time (probably very fortunate!!) and felt a little surge go through me which was quite scary,, at the moment 830pm, moderate rain with lightning flashes to the north and north west, maybe more to come,........ >From: "Paul Mirtschin" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: aMAZING RADAR >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:38:02 +1000 > > > If you have access to the net, have a look at Sydney local > > atm. Just impressive! Must be definite hail and twisters in that lot! > >I just saw the most amazing thing... > >After watching a doco on cable the other night, that dealt with >lightning (including a section on lightning and aircraft), what do I see >outside, but a light aircraft flying south (just to the west of me) >along a path parallel to the front. > >"I wonder if it would set of any lightning?" I think. > >*BANG*! One of the biggest and closest CC forks erupts around the >aircraft! > >"Yup, I guess it will" > >p.s. A CG just hit within a few hundred meters of here in Kingsgrove, >damn it was loud! > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Designer - Writer > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > >Elmo knows where you live. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:04:23 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide anvils Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Clearly some cold air aloft in Adelaide this afternoon. Nice cold air anvils and some good scud action which I took some shots of. No hail or thinder though. Still very damp here after something like 140mm of rain last month. Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:40:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry for the one liner. What's a polarising lens?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question > Hi Graeme. > I drag around two SLR's a canon T70 and a canon AE1 program, I use the AE1 > most of the time with a rather good quality 28mm to 70mm zoom with a > polarising lens, the T70 I leave loaded and ready with a 70mm to 200mm > zoom, rather than stuff around changing lens I change camera's, also if I > run out of film with the AE1 (I use Fuji 100asa) I grab my T70. I have been > in positions having to change film in a hurry believe me it does not work I > usually end up with bits everywhere.I also carry two camcorders a Sony > handicam and a canon uc 4000 all video 8, the Sony is a better camera....the > battery lasts much longer. regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graeme Williams > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:20 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > > > > Hi, > > > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some > nice > > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Graeme > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: Canberra storms Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:05:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all, A few photos up of the pre storm here in canberra, more up tommorrow. www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ (currently down) or www.geocities.com/simonstdu_2001/ Simon Angell Canberra ACT +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p133-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.147.133] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:03:48 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Disappointing chase Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, After careful planning of the chase for today, I felt that the best area to go off was the Southern Tablelands/Illawarra. It was this area that took off but I had hoped storm might left move into the Camden region. Well one did but by the time I got there, it had collapsed. I saw another storm also go up to the NW of that region but it weakened before it got there. It had a nice flanking line whilst I roamed around for a good vantage point. It had pissed itself out by then. Then I settled for a break watching storms in the Illawarra, storms to the W and also the storm in the southern Hunter slowly approach with development on its SW flanking line (right mover). Then the storm to the W took off. Convergence was observed as the storm intensified with frequent lightning. I only got some of this lightning Why was it disappointing? I missed out on the storm near Nowra. There was too much middle and upper level moisture. Also the storms locally came late. It would have been great if this system had occurred over the plains. Oh well. Perhaps next time. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:41:47 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: Fine day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Had a lovely fine sunny day here today in Christchurch. It got up to 29 degrees here although the official maximum was 26C I thought I would just let you know. JohnGaul NZ Fine Weather Society PS. for sale unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or possible severe weather like we used to ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Chase report and photos Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:07:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have put up a chase report for today with some digital photos. Unfortunately the best action happened in semi darkness, but the camera handled the low light better than I expected. http://ozthunder.com/chase/chase24.htm Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" , "Wx-Chase" , "Stormchase List" Subject: aus-wx: Vic storms on Sunday Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:22:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Well, what can I say. This season has been way above all expectations...and we've only just come into the "Official" season if you ask the QLD'ers :oP Anyway, Sunday morning, I woke and were excited with the prospects of yet more storms. The sky was covered with a beautiful cirrus shield. As the day progressed, things started to look bleak and I thought that everything had collapsed and died. Boy, were I wrong. The following Obs were from the Horsham AWS for the day from 9am - 12am: Date Time EST Temp DP RH% Pressure Rainfall 30 09:00 19.6 10.9 57 1006.7 0.0 30 09:54 21.8 10.3 48 1005.8 0.0 30 11:00 22.2 13.0 56 1005.3 0.0 30 12:00 23.6 14.9 58 1005.0 0.0 30 13:00 24.6 17.4 64 1004.2 0.0 30 14:00 24.1 13.1 50 1004.0 0.0 30 15:00 20.7 13.9 65 1004.9 0.0 30 16:00 20.1 12.6 62 1005.9 0.0 30 17:00 17.8 14.7 82 1006.4 0.6 30 18:00 16.7 15.8 94 1005.5 0.8 30 19:00 16.7 15.4 92 1004.5 0.8 30 20:00 15.2 - - 1004.9 0.8 30 21:00 17.5 14.4 82 1005.9 0.8 30 22:00 17.3 15.0 86 1006.7 0.8 30 23:00 16.0 14.9 93 1007.4 0.8 01 00:00 13.9 13.0 94 1007.3 0.8 With a Temperature and Dew Point of 24.6/17.4 at 1pm, I were sure something would happen. Then with the fall of temps, I thought it was all over for the day. I then started feeling a little ill due to my diabetes, so the guys in #stormchase on IRC told me to go offline and rest...which I must thank them for it. Instead of going and resting, I decided to go out and sit and see if anything would happen. I had probably been out for no more than 5 minutes, when to the west of town, I noticed a slight shower developing, which then dropped a CG for me. I then decided to head up to my old high school where there are much better views of the area. Upon reaching it, I set up on the edge and started filming, with a few CG's and some flashes captured on video. After this first storm had moved to the South, I heard a rumble to my right, and noticed another cell bearing down on me. I then focused on this cell, and were so glad I did, although I weren't in a good area to, as I were standing in the middle of a football oval, making me the highest object in a 50 metre radius. Filming this storm, and with the thought in the back of my head that I could be in a dangerous position, I were thinking about moving, when all of a sudden, I just seen a flash which lit the area up, and a couple of seconds, had a huge bit or thunder rumble over me. This sent me running for cover, which ended up being some trees on the edge of the oval (Not the best place to be...but I wanted to get some more CG shots). Not long after I got to this position, I had the camera trained to the NW towards the cell, and for the first time in my life, 7 lightning strokes shot directly in front of the camera, all within 2 seconds from the first to the last. (I have checked the tape in slow motion, but mine isn't slow enough, but I count about 3-4 CG's and the rest CC's). After that, and realising I only had 10 minutes of video left, and no other tapes, a quick call to mum, and I got her to bring me more tapes, which she did pretty quickly. After loading in a fresh tape, I went back to the stadium near the oval, and filmed a few more Cg's, before moving over to one of the grain sheds at the Grain Corp terminal. This gave me a better view to the East, which dropped some very nice Cg's for me, a few that I got on video. I then had cells #2 and #3 pass over me, with very little lightning, and only light rain, but the best stuff came from the back end of the 3rd cell. I zoomed in on a little prong type funnel (I'm sure it wasn't a funnel though), and just as I zoomed out completely, a CC shot straight across the sky in front of this "funnel look-alike", which, when I replayed through the video, had a real rose type colour, which looks awesome. It was not long after this, that everything moved out of my area and the lightning activity died off fairly quickly, so I decided to give Jane a call, and then headed home, where I didn't see a single flash for the rest of the night. As for the season so far, that makes it on average 4 storms in 4 weeks. 3 of them I chased while the 4th I had to watch from the ambulance as I travelled into Horsham last Sunday, but if this is an indication of what may come, I look so forward to it. PaulY Paul Yole Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA Editor - ASWA Online Newsletter Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA Cell # - +61 418 369 256 Home# - +61 35 385 2699 http://www.severeweather.asn.au 30 14:00 24.1 13.1 50 NW 22 12 30 16 1004.0 0.0 30 13:00 24.6 17.4 64 N 17 9 20 11 1004.2 0.0 30 12:00 23.6 14.9 58 N 20 11 26 14 1005.0 0.0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:46:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Graeme, I run around with a Canon EOS 300 SLR with a standard 28-80mm Lens and a 75-300mm lens. But unlike Jane, I prefer the 28-80mm one. I also run around with a Sony CCD-TRV78E HI8 Handycam, as well as a Kodak DC240 digital camera with a 48mb memory card, which hold a hell of alot of pics. These are normally carried in my backpack with my diabetes stuff, as I have to carry that stuff around with me at all times. PaulY Paul Yole Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA Editor - ASWA Online Newsletter Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA Cell # - +61 418 369 256 Home# - +61 35 385 2699 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.94.76] From: "adele jaunn" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide anvils Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:46:27 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 13:46:27.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[A248C0D0:01C14B48] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil, Yes, and it got very COLD! brrr... Took a shot of a rainbow, which streched across North Adelaide (or at least, that's where we were viewing it from) in the afternoon. Hope it warms up again soon. Adele & Tom >From: Phil Bagust >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide anvils >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:04:23 +0930 > >Hi all, > >Clearly some cold air aloft in Adelaide this afternoon. Nice cold air >anvils and some good scud action which I took some shots of. No hail or >thinder though. Still very damp here after something like 140mm of rain >last month. > >Phil > >Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au >- - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:58:45 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Thread-Index: AcFK/XhzxhPs9+vKRwG3HkKFafVU3gAAVUXg From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id AAA29608 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My mouth was drooling as well. Cloud cover has increased here in Kyabram and looks like something is about to happen. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Robert Goler [mailto:robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au] Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 2:34 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Hi all Here are some captures I took with my video camera of the sponderific Cb to the east over the Dandenongs, just a few minutes ago: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_02/today.html Had my mouth drooling! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ###################################################################### Attention: This e-mail message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. 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The village was struck many times and at least 15 strikes were within a Km of here, of course bringing ear-splitting thunder! About 5 brought instant thunder. I then had a great view of the same thing on the hills to the east as the storm moved away. I haven't seen anything so lightning-active since the genesis of the 99 Sydney hail storm in Wollongong. Interestingly, I haven't even had to chase either storm! The radar shows that the storm is embedded in an area of rain moving down from Bathurst. There are no STA/STWs current for NSW atm. Well, back to bed! Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. 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Hi Graeme,

I try to always have my Canon EOS 1000 with me, which has a standard 25-80mm lens, and then have my 75-300mm lens in bubble wrap ready to go on. I also prefer the 25-80mm unless I really want to get in close to a cloud feature. My other new toy, well it belongs to BHP actually, is a Sony DSC-P50 digital camera with a 32Mb memory stick. I am still learning on it, but with mpeg capability, no sound though, and clip motion, I am hoping to very soon get some great lightning shots. I even have my fiance almost convinced to buy me one, although saving a deposit for a house is making it hard to justify spending around $1300 for a toy.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

EOM

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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:17:13 +1000 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Phenomonal Electric Storm: Bathurst] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 9.016am Hi all. Well what a day and night for storms in Bathurst yesterday. Bathurst had 48.6 mm from 9am yesterday. The lightning activity from all three storms we had was basically unbelievable. 1st storm was around 12.pm, that was also the 1st time everything in house was unplugged from wall (from previous experience). This storm came from the west, looked like Orange had part of this one. I noticed on radar that Parkes had another building up and was heading east towards Bx again. It was around 5pm when it arrived, the force of this one was alot higher. Rainfall was upto 70mm hr at one stage, and prob higher in some stages. Lights dimmed in my house, lightning strikes would have been 500 m from house, which basically scared the crap out of me. It was time to stand away from window, then 2 more stirkes happened in quick succession. Those poor guys in tents on the Mount. 3 rd storm happended at 1am this morning, it was time to get up again and unplug pc and modem. There was plenty of lightning in this one also, but easier to see since it was pitch black. House was lighting up from each flash. During these storms I had been listening to Country Energy's frequency with all the outages from strikes. It was going to be a very long night for all those involved. Staff from Oberon/Parkes drove to Bx to help with many power lines down, and transformers blown. Several houses had switch boards totally blown apart on Bx to Oberon Rd. Staff had been working upto 16 hrs before being told to go home. There certainly were some major outages in Bathurst District, wouldnt know just how many lines, transformers that staff had to check, many driving all night in rain trying to locate faults. Ive done this myself several years ago and its not fun. Especially with lightning around. I have to give these guys praise for staying out as long as possible and getting most power back on. Had I not been on holidays, would have been at work answering phones myself. It certainly was good to see a storm instead of being inside locked up away from all the action, (mind you answering some of the emerg calls can entail some action). Below is the rainfall from 1pm yesterday until 8am this morning. Dave Bathurst Date Time Temp DP RH HPA Rain 03 08:00 13.1 13.1 100 1013.5 48.6 03 07:00 11.3 11.3 100 1013.1 48.6 03 06:00 10.8 10.8 100--1012.5 48.6 03 05:00 10.6 10.6 100--1011.9 48.6 03 04:00 10.5 10.5 100 1011.7 48.4 03 03:00 9.9 9.9 100 1011.7 48.4 03 02:00 10.5 10.5 100--1011.9 46.2 03 01:00 10.4 10.4 100 -1012.3 46.0 03 00:00 10.3 10.3 100--1012.9 46.0 02 23:00 10.6 10.0 96 -1013.9 46.0 02 21:52 11.5 11.0 97 1014.2 46.0 02 21:00 12.1 12.1 100 1016.2 45.2 02 20:00 12.0 12.0 100 1015.5 39.8 02 19:00 12.2 12.2 100 1014.7 39.6 02 18:00 11.9 11.9 100 1015.4 39.4 02 17:00 16.9 11.8 72 1012.7 12.4 02 16:00 19.9 13.1 65 1012.2 12.4 02 15:00 20.1 13.6 66 1013.0 12.4 02 14:00 19.5 13.2 67 1014.0 12.4 02 13:00 17.4 15.2 87 1015.6 12.4 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:34:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 00:35:53.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BE102F0:01C14BA3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok....Victoria is still under a good cold pool even with low surface temps, some of the updrafts near to the ranges are already looking good,so lets keep a look out today...regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:37:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 00:38:46.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2E8E580:01C14BA3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John. 29c! not bad thats equal to the highest max I have recorded since last April,that would be close to the top 10% of max expected to be seen in Christchurch for this time of the year. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gaul To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: aus-wx: Fine day > Had a lovely fine sunny day here today in Christchurch. > It got up to 29 degrees here although the official maximum was 26C > I thought I would just let you know. > > JohnGaul > NZ Fine Weather Society > > PS. for sale > unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed for > storm-chasing !! > These items seem to be not wanted now as because of global warming we don't > seem to get any forms of severe weather or possible severe weather like we > used to ! > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cloud Band south China. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:48:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 00:49:55.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[51E1BCC0:01C14BA5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. A rather nice looking mid and upper cloud band extending from North India all the way across south central China this morning seems to be developing along the active sub tropical jet north of you location, a few storms kicking up off Hainan as well. regards Clyve Herbert. ---- Original Message ----- From: Phil Smith To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Typhoon LEKIMA. > G'day Clyve. > Yep. It looked so certain to head directly here last Monday morning that > I added to my web page the line that lets users check the current Hong > Kong Typhoon Signal status. Signal 1 is generally hoisted when the > typhoon is 800km away if there is a chance it may affect HK later. Now > it is well under 700 km away but it has wandered all over the place and > now seems to have Fujian in its sights. > Actually we have had a few high cloud bands come over here which > satellite animation shows have come directly from the typhoon, but they > are all high and light and haven't a sign of rain in them. > There's plenty of links where you can check it out at > http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm for those who may be interested. I > will not start a specific page for this storm unless the HKO hoists > signals. > > Phil > <>< > International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:25:42 +1000 > Subject: aus-wx: Typhoon LEKIMA. > > > Hi Phil, and fellow tropo's. > > An interesting Typhoon paddling about near Taiwan...Showing what > > appears to > > be two centres one near to the south coast of Taiwan and another off > > the > > east coast,both interconnected, the overall system however looks as if > > it > > may drift northward into the East China Sea the area over Hong Kong > > seems to > > be in a rather large 'cloud free' area indicating strong subsidence.The > > sub > > tropical jet further north seems a little weak but is interacting with > > outflow from this tropical complex. regards Clyve Herbert. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:16:01 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued to the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention is on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action currently happening around Wonthaggi! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:41:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 01:43:02.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD37E6A0:01C14BAC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert. Welcome to the planet of Weather People!!!!...regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one > > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok > > Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued to > the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice > SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of > congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention is > on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action > currently happening around Wonthaggi! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glenn Will" To: Subject: aus-wx: kalgoorlie update Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:03:45 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
         I've been busy at work for the last few days-so I've not had the opportunity to reply to messages.I do play golf extensively and currently working am on getting my handicap(this should be in the high teens)and will be playing this afternoon.The weather situation around kal is presently very favorable for this-clear blue skies for the next 24 hrs.with the possability of thunderstorms t/m arvo.
                                                                                         Regards,
                                                                                                      Glenn.
From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:19:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon Stormchasers, ...and that explains the thrid gender as coined by Anthony Cornelius, as in "Ladies, Gentlemen & Stormchasers..." I'm definitely of the third gender - I've got a 256km radar running, the satpic & the webcam in the background, which is as close as I will get to it till I get out or go to pick up my car from the service people (strangely I have this feeling that it may be ready earlier than 5pm so that I may need to leave a little earlier to collect it......... ) I'm definitely an inhabitant of the 'Planet of the Weather People' (storms or no storms!) Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Hi Robert. Welcome to the planet of Weather People!!!!...regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one > > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok > > Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued to > the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice > SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of > congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention is > on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action > currently happening around Wonthaggi! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: FCST: NSW storms To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:38:28 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com List; NSW has not run out of ingredients yet for another round of storms. The main activity ATM is ahead of the surface trough and out to sea with plenty of lightning off the S NSW coast running all the way up into NE NSW. Most the E NSW soundings from this morning showed some CAPE, especially SSY and MOR. MOR had better flow, but less CAPE than SSY. Over the past two hours electrified convection has erupted S of West Wyalong and W of Canberra. These storms seem to be organised into two (or more) discrete lines. Despite this convection, my prime area of interest is E and NE NSW, E of a line running from Sydney - Tamworth - Moree into SE QLD. Areas with enhanced insolation will have distinct advantages today. If the current convection over SE NSW turns out to be "IT" for the day, I will, of course, put a bag over my head and admit total ignorance and lack of understanding of anything that's real and/or beautiful. Cheers, Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:40:40 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just had four in a row. Away at a Church camp. No phone (Hallelujah!), no computers, no Internet, no e-mail, no TV, no radio, no newspapers. Just clear blue skies from one horizon to the other, the sun streaming down, low humidity, sky broken only by the occasional sight of a distant aeroplane approaching Chek Lap Kok, views across Tolo Harbour broken only by the occasional ship, and best of all time ... from 13:00 to 17:00 each day there was nothing on the program except siesta time. I really needed the break. Now today it is back to work. It's now officially the second day of Winter here (starts on the 16th day of the 8th month of the Chinese calendar) so it will be many days of clear blue skies to come. Our weather excitement here will be limited to attempting to predict surges of the Winter Monsoon which will arrive with gale-force winds, skies of even deeper blue, and humidity even lower. We occasionally get affected by typhoons out of season just for a little variety. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Goler To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:16:01 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just > one > > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok > > Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued > to > the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice > SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of > congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention > is > on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action > currently happening around Wonthaggi! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:49:42 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com You Vics are spoilt rotten! Complain when you dont get anything, complain when you get too much... geez :) (jk) I saw the best lightning show last night I have seen since Jan 17, 2000 (well the first decent lightning show I have seen since then, Ive had terrible luck with lightning shows for almost 2 years.) Anyway I finished work at 8.30pm, rang Anthony and James Harris for the occasional update and headed south towards Wyong where storms were firing off lightning every few seconds. I got close to Budgewoi (sp) and went down some side road that led to southern lake Maquarie and set up the tripod and watched the storms on the other side of the lake... beautiful 20 minutes watching as one of the storms then made its way overhead and out to sea. I followed to a lookout on a cliff top and watched for a while then went home. A very satisfying night after such a dissapointing day up here in the Hunter. Good to see everyone got some action, seemed like a fantastic day if you were in sydney watching the storms to the S and SW !!! Matt Smith clyve herbert wrote: > Hi all. > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok....Victoria is still > under a good cold pool even with low surface temps, some of the updrafts > near to the ranges are already looking good,so lets keep a look out > today...regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 11:03:45 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cloud Band south China. X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, Clyve. I just brought up the animation of the satellite pics for the last few hours and it's definitely drifting this way. There's also a few wisps of cloud spinning about over the SCS, but nothing to get excited about. We seem to be in the clear space between them. Looking at the cloud band you mentioned, the last couple of hours of the satpics seem to make it look so thin that you can see the topography underneath showing through. Makes me think it might end up being too thin by the time it gets here to have much real weather left in it. I see the storms off Hainan, and the lightning detector here has found one half-hearted storm about 150 kms from here to the South West. Details: ==================== 1 storm detected (sensitivity = 1, min strokes = 10) distant thundershower (bearing = 233°, 0.32/min./°, energy = 174%) 4 strokes per minute 16 strokes in past 5 mins. (avg. 3.2/min.) 26 strokes in past 10 mins. (avg. 2.6/min.) 73 strokes in past 20 mins. (avg. 3.7/min.) 83 strokes in past 30 mins. (avg. 2.8/min.) 125 strokes in past 60 mins. (avg. 2.1/min.) 0 strong strokes in past 60 mins. ================ Honestly, we are entering what is typically the most boring weather time of our whole year for this next month or two. But then again, I need the break from constantly updating my web-pages. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:48:46 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Cloud Band south China. > Hi Phil. > A rather nice looking mid and upper cloud band extending from North > India > all the way across south central China this morning seems to be > developing > along the active sub tropical jet north of you location, a few storms > kicking up off Hainan as well. regards Clyve Herbert. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:51:45 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Another storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Another massive storm with thick anvil and huge overshoot has developed to my far WNW, possibly towards singleton? Buladelah storm certainly has a supercell look to it. Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:48:26 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Massive storm near Buladelah Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A huge storm has developed near Buladelah, isolated, big overshoots, *DROOL* absolutly brilliant stuff. Static is near constant with it, and geez it looks great from a distance. Cant chase, i start work at 3.30pm !#%!$#! at #$ Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: kalgoorlie update Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:58:31 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 03:58:31.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAD35D60:01C14BBF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Glenn

Good to see another golf fanatic on the weather list.  My favorite golf weather anecdote is attributed to Lee Trevino, who during a thunderstorm, apparently held a 1 iron above his head.  Asked why he did this, he said he did it to keep lightning away, because not even God could hit a 1 iron.

>From: "Glenn Will"
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>To:
>Subject: aus-wx: kalgoorlie update
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:03:45 +0800
>
>Hi All,
> I've been busy at work for the last few days-so I've not had the opportunity to reply to messages.I do play golf extensively and currently working am on getting my handicap(this should be in the high teens)and will be playing this afternoon.The weather situation around kal is presently very favorable for this-clear blue skies for the next 24 hrs.with the possability of thunderstorms t/m arvo.
> Regards,
> Glenn.


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X-Sender: johnstone at psyphw.psych.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:37:51 -0500 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Iain T. Johnstone" Subject: Re: aus-wx: kalgoorlie update Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:58 PM 10/2/01, you wrote: >Glenn > >Good to see another golf fanatic on the weather list. My favorite golf >weather anecdote is attributed to Lee Trevino, who during a thunderstorm, >apparently held a 1 iron above his head. Asked why he did this, he said >he did it to keep lightning away, because not even God could hit a 1 iron. Hey! Not fair! I posted that one on the list a week or so ago! ;-) It's still funny the second time around I reckon. I, too, am a golfer, though I'm facing the long, bleak, non-golfing winter here in Madison. I wonder how easy it would be to play golf on a hard-pack of snow if I use fluorescent orange balls? Hey Glenn - I lived in Boulder for a while about 12 years ago. I worked for North Kal mines on their open pit. When I first got there, it was mid-summer and I was on day shift. It was bloody hot. Then I got put on night shift. It was bloody cold! (I was on top of one of the tailings dumps, where the nightime wind was usually howling). I drank a lot of beer, saved a lot of money, then went and blew it in Europe in about 1 month... Oops - got off topic there. I do remember the few times when we had big thunderstorms at Kal and it bucketed down with rain. They were great days - it was cool, not so dry, and the mine had to shut because of flooding, so I got 2 or 3 days off. I always loved going to the goldfields - there's something about them that gets in your blood. Tom Johnstone Madison, WI, USA +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:14:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 05:16:06.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[816AC660:01C14BCA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. A line of cool air CB's approaching Geelong from the west (1500hrs) have returned sporadic lightning, tops are up to 24 to 27,000 approx and are showing some shear to the north. Regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:41:28 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well, The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large reflectivity core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from 3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift line with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do with the cell's timing and location. Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught as supercellular, which would not surprise me. I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: No Storms for Illawarra Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:38:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com No Storms for Illawarra

Hi all,

Well after one of the best days for a long time yesterday, today has been a bit of a non-event. I will need to have abit more of a look around, but a fresh SW change came thorugh port Kembla around 30 minutes ago (15:00 EST) which has blown most of the cvloud cover in site away. Some decent cumulous clouds earlier during day but it is now feeling a lot less humid. Nothing of any note with the change as it came through. I hope someone is on those storms Matt Smith reported earlier.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

EOM

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X-Originating-IP: [203.22.86.227] From: "Dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Forecast Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:13:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 06:10:49.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[26383E00:01C14BD2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all! Nothing too exciting in the Northern Rivers yet. Had a brief heavy shower earlier which was certainly welcomed (tanks are almost dry!). There's some activity out west but something needs to develop in Qld and head down this way. We really need all the rain we can get! Latest forecast for Norther Rivers is: NORTHERN RIVERS Tonight Scattered showers and thunderstorms. Mild to warm day. Moderate to fresh north to northwest winds. I was wondering how you have a mild to warm 'day' tonight?!! =) Dave Ellem Wollongbar, Northern Rivers, NE NSW +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Geelong Storm. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:08:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 07:09:43.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[609CB140:01C14BDA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. No rest today, I 'regret' to advise we here in Geelong (Leopold) have received yet another thunderstorm,this one was a little beauty (cold air) passing through at 1630hrs. Some nice cg,s, hail (<1cm) and torrential rain 9.2mm in 7.3min. This is the 4th thunderday in just over a week. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:17:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Allison and Rob, I got some shots of the Cb out behind the Dandy's yesterday at about 4 - 4:30. Then went out later to video some of the lightning to the north. Rob, did you notice any rotation in the Cb over the Dandenong's? I noted some anti-clockwise rotation in the main updraft from my position in Mooroolbark and reported it to Jane, who had also noticed it, who then reported it to the BoM to prove to them that she wasn't crazy and someone else saw it to. Was a most impressive display and I only hope that my photo's will do it justice. If they come out I will have them at the next meeting. All this after flying over a beautiful display of lightning at 39,000ft on Monday night to the north of Bendigo. 39,000ft and we were still 1,000ft below the top of the anvil! Regards, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison Cunnington" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs > My mouth was drooling as well. > > Cloud cover has increased here in Kyabram and looks like something is > about to happen. > > Allison > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Goler [mailto:robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 2:34 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs > > > > Hi all > > Here are some captures I took with my video camera of the sponderific Cb > to the east over the Dandenongs, just a few minutes ago: > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_02/today.html > > Had my mouth drooling! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > ###################################################################### > Attention: > This e-mail message is privileged and confidential. 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Howdy Clyve. 28.8C to be exact in my Stevenson's Screen. 26 at the airport here. It came as a surprise as forecasters/forecasting models had only set the days maximum to be 16C! big difference. Bit cooler today as the easterly kicked in JohnG NZTS > >> Had a lovely fine sunny day here today in Christchurch. >> It got up to 29 degrees here although the official maximum was 26C >> I thought I would just let you know. >> >> JohnGaul >> NZ Fine Weather Society >> >> PS. for sale >> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed for >> storm-chasing !! >> These items seem to be not wanted now as because of global warming we >don't >> seem to get any forms of severe weather or possible severe weather like we >> used to ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong Storm. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:22:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I am so sorry to hear that you have received another storm Clyve, he says while mumbling words that cannot be repeated in a public forum. I have been watching some nice looking cloud to the west from here, but the bases are hidden from view because of the hills around Mooroolbark. The tops look good though. I hope you recover soon from your unfortunate circumstances Clyve. Best regards and sympathy (NOT) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: aus-wx: Geelong Storm. > Hi all. > No rest today, I 'regret' to advise we here in Geelong (Leopold) have > received yet another thunderstorm,this one was a little beauty (cold air) > passing through at 1630hrs. Some nice cg,s, hail (<1cm) and torrential rain > 9.2mm in 7.3min. This is the 4th thunderday in just over a week. regards > Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:38:56 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Hi all. >A line of cool air CB's approaching Geelong from the west (1500hrs) have >returned sporadic lightning, tops are up to 24 to 27,000 approx and are >showing some shear to the north. Regards Clyve H. Scuse my ignorance Clyve, but how do you determine cloud top heights? Is that an educated guess, or are you basing that on radar data? Cheers Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:35:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Always wanted to know too. But thought I was being ignorant if I had of asked :-) Something to do with certain cloud types only "live" at certain heights?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Bagust" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. > >Hi all. > >A line of cool air CB's approaching Geelong from the west (1500hrs) have > >returned sporadic lightning, tops are up to 24 to 27,000 approx and are > >showing some shear to the north. Regards Clyve H. > > Scuse my ignorance Clyve, but how do you determine cloud top heights? Is > that an educated guess, or are you basing that on radar data? > > Cheers > > Phil > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:21:19 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: New Wx Program Available Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Since earlier this year I have been writing a program that grabs the hourly AWS observations from the BoM and plots them graphically. It also does a few other things like interpolating the air pressure readings for the country and generating a 'synoptic chart' so you can see what's happening on an hourly (rather than 6 hourly and two hours late) basis. During the time I've been using it I've been able to watch fronts cross the country and predict accurately their ETAs, and nowcast all sorts of conditions. It's a comprehensive way of getting up to date with the whole country's current weather in an instant. If you are interested please have a look at the screen shots etc. at the address below and if you like what you see, download it (currently BETA release) and give it a go. It's all at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler/ Feedback, of course would be welcome. Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:53:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, ****** READ THE BIT ABOUT THE TORNADO!!!!!!!!! ******* What is happening down there? Clyve? Lindsay? Luke? Anyone?? NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST Top Priority Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Melbourne Metropolitan area, Geelong, Ballarine and Mornington Peninsulas and Port Phillip. Issued at 6:46pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 A severe thunderstorm with a tornado has been reported over the Ballarine Peninsula east of Geelong and is expected to move northeast at 45 km/h towards the city area in the next half hour. Damaging winds and locally heavy rainfall are possible. [radio media to play Severe Weather News Tag Alert 4 here] The current thunderstorm warning, issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, indicates the strong probability of intense storm activity in this area. In the interest of community safety the SES suggests some simple precautions: - secure any loose objects in the vicinity of your home - stay indoors if possible - if you are outdoors, avoid sheltering under trees - listen to the radio station for storm updates - switch off computers and electrical appliances -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:57:20 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Southern Tablelands Forecast Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All, I'm having serious issues with the Southern Tablelands forecast for tonight! > Tonight > Showers and isolated afternoon thunderstorms. Cool to mild. Moderate southwest winds. The minimum forecast for Goulburn is 7. It's already 6, calm and clear here in Taralga and it looks as if we're in for a big frost which is very bad news for us (post-budburst in the vineyard). We'll see what happens. Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM ISSUES TORNADO WARNING!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:07:49 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:53, Jane ONeill hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > A severe thunderstorm with a tornado has been reported over the > Ballarine Peninsula east of Geelong and is expected to move northeast at > 45 km/h towards the city area in the next half hour. Damaging winds and > locally heavy rainfall are possible. So can we say this is the BoM's first ever tornado warning????? Have they ever said anything like this before. And what's happening down there? any chasers? any damage? what F rating? sure hope it's not an F5! David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Peter Konnecke" To: Subject: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORM CHASE - MY FIRST ONE Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:14:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all,
 
This is my very first report on my very first chase, and what an absolute beauty it was. Please forgive the lack of technical terminology
in this one - I'm still learning.
 
I headed off yesterday late afternoon down the F5 / Hume Highway towards Mittagong. I was escorted all the way a omninous looking black clouds
all the way down until I got to Mittagong at approx 5:30pm. Then all hell broke loose with heavy rain, pea size hail (washing away in the rain)
and lots of flashes. At the time I was happy to drive on, when the sky in front of me lit up with the longest bolt I've ever seen ! It stretched half
way across the sky. This made me a bit nervous thinking of what was to come. All this happened at the rise in the mountains just to the north of
Mittagong township. It grew very dark very quickly.
 
I continued on to the F5 Hume / Illawarra interchange being constantly bombarded with heavy rain and many strong bolts touching down. After a dinner
break at the travellers friend (the Golden Arches) I started to head home and thought of heading back through the Illararra region. Lucky I didnt because
by the looks of it the folks over that way got hammered.
 
I'm glad I went back up the Hume. All the way it got more intense and at one stage I had to pull over as the flashes were so bright and CLOSE oh so
CLOSE. I think I saw one hit the trees just over a hill and then another on the freeway itself.
 
I made another stop at Pheasant's Nest where many cars and trucks were stopped. The power went out at the Service Station about 15 minutes before
I got there which was about the time I saw the hit on the freeway. A truck drier was stranded there because he had just made it into the servo to fill with
diesel when the power went out. No power no pumps. Some other drivers I spoke to said they also saw the hit's on or near the freeway.
 
Anyway ... thats it .... geez I had fun .... a bit scary though.
 
 
Pete

Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Peter Konnecke.vcf" From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Wx Program Available Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:18:01 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:21, Andrew Miskelly hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > Since earlier this year I have been writing a program that grabs the > hourly AWS observations from the BoM and plots them graphically. It also > does a few other things like interpolating the air pressure readings for > the country and generating a 'synoptic chart' so you can see what's > happening on an hourly (rather than 6 hourly and two hours late) basis. > > During the time I've been using it I've been able to watch fronts cross > the country and predict accurately their ETAs, and nowcast all sorts of > conditions. It's a comprehensive way of getting up to date with the > whole country's current weather in an instant. > > If you are interested please have a look at the screen shots etc. at the > address below and if you like what you see, download it (currently BETA > release) and give it a go. Very Very nice. I love the fact that you have used Java because it means that us Linux users aren't left behind. Many stuff that comes out is windows only. I'd also like to encourage you to release this under the GPL so other people can contribute and help. Of course that is up to you, but whatever you do please keep up the Linux support using java. Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:19:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com More..... NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST Priority of Severe Thunderstorm Advice Issued at 6:58pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 for the Central District. A severe thunderstorm over western Port Phillip Bay is moving northeastwards at 45 km/hr and is expected to be near the city area and eastern suburbs within the next 30 minutes to one hour. A tornado has been observed with the thunderstorm. Damaging winds, local flash flooding and hail are possible with the thunderstorm. The SES advises that people should keep a lookout for thunderstorms and, if storms approach, secure loose items, move vehicles under cover, then stay indoors until the storms have passed. This advice will be updated by 2100 hrs. -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Photo of possible supercell off South Coast Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:50:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Here is a picture taken at 1.30pm today looking S/SE at a possible supercell. http://ozthunder.com/temp/031001.jpg The storm had a RED core on radar for a couple of hours. The anvil was massive and up showed well on the sat pics. You can read more info plus see at sat pic at the Weather Channel forum. http://beta.weatherzone.com.au/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum= General+Weather&number=1 Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORM CHASE - MY FIRST ONE Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:57:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Peter
 
You must have chased the same ground as me
 
You can read the report and see digital pics at
 
 
 
 I was at Pheasants nest around 5.30pm, and struck the storm front at Hill Top, from there I reversed and leap frogged all the way back to Picton, trying to just stay ahead of the rain.
 
As you mention lightning was intense and for the third time in my life I decided to go for the protection of the car.
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 19:14
Subject: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORM CHASE - MY FIRST ONE

Hi all,
 
This is my very first report on my very first chase, and what an absolute beauty it was. Please forgive the lack of technical terminology
in this one - I'm still learning.
 
I headed off yesterday late afternoon down the F5 / Hume Highway towards Mittagong. I was escorted all the way a omninous looking black clouds
all the way down until I got to Mittagong at approx 5:30pm. Then all hell broke loose with heavy rain, pea size hail (washing away in the rain)
and lots of flashes. At the time I was happy to drive on, when the sky in front of me lit up with the longest bolt I've ever seen ! It stretched half
way across the sky. This made me a bit nervous thinking of what was to come. All this happened at the rise in the mountains just to the north of
Mittagong township. It grew very dark very quickly.
 
I continued on to the F5 Hume / Illawarra interchange being constantly bombarded with heavy rain and many strong bolts touching down. After a dinner
break at the travellers friend (the Golden Arches) I started to head home and thought of heading back through the Illararra region. Lucky I didnt because
by the looks of it the folks over that way got hammered.
 
I'm glad I went back up the Hume. All the way it got more intense and at one stage I had to pull over as the flashes were so bright and CLOSE oh so
CLOSE. I think I saw one hit the trees just over a hill and then another on the freeway itself.
 
I made another stop at Pheasant's Nest where many cars and trucks were stopped. The power went out at the Service Station about 15 minutes before
I got there which was about the time I saw the hit on the freeway. A truck drier was stranded there because he had just made it into the servo to fill with
diesel when the power went out. No power no pumps. Some other drivers I spoke to said they also saw the hit's on or near the freeway.
 
Anyway ... thats it .... geez I had fun .... a bit scary though.
 
 
Pete

User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:03:03 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! From: David Simpson To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmmm I'm about the bottom of the K in St Kilda on the 128 k radar and it's only raining..... Has been for a while, the odd heavier patch, nothin too exciting Davo On 3/10/01 19:19, "Jane ONeill" wrote: > More..... > > NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST > > Priority of Severe Thunderstorm Advice > > Issued at 6:58pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 for the Central > District. > > A severe thunderstorm over western Port Phillip Bay is moving > northeastwards at 45 km/hr and is expected to be near the city area and > eastern suburbs within the next 30 minutes to one hour. A tornado has > been observed with the thunderstorm. > Damaging winds, local flash flooding and hail are possible with the > thunderstorm. > > > The SES advises that people should keep a lookout for thunderstorms and, > if storms approach, secure loose items, move vehicles under cover, then > stay indoors until the storms have passed. > > This advice will be updated by 2100 hrs. > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Canberra storms Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:07:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That is one nasty looking storm there Simon, good to see Canberra did not miss out. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 21:05 Subject: aus-wx: Canberra storms > hi all, > A few photos up of the pre storm here in canberra, more up tommorrow. > www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ (currently down) or > www.geocities.com/simonstdu_2001/ > > Simon Angell > Canberra ACT > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:01:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have two SLR cameras and exclusively use 35mm - 105mm zooms on both. 8 out of 10 weather photos are taken at the 35m end too. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Williams" To: Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 17:20 Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > Hi, > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some nice > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > Cheers, > > Graeme > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.84.174.169] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:04:19 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 10:04:20.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4E0CC00:01C14BF2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey, The servere squall/thunderstorm warning was downgraded nto so long ago. and no further severe weather is expected. Which realistically in many respects is probably a good thing. i oculd think of better things than a tornado ripping through melbournes CBD. Michael Olsen >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:19:21 +1000 > >More..... > >NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST > >Priority of Severe Thunderstorm Advice > >Issued at 6:58pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 for the Central >District. > >A severe thunderstorm over western Port Phillip Bay is moving >northeastwards at 45 km/hr and is expected to be near the city area and >eastern suburbs within the next 30 minutes to one hour. A tornado has >been observed with the thunderstorm. >Damaging winds, local flash flooding and hail are possible with the >thunderstorm. > > >The SES advises that people should keep a lookout for thunderstorms and, >if storms approach, secure loose items, move vehicles under cover, then >stay indoors until the storms have passed. > >This advice will be updated by 2100 hrs. > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Catalyst - ABC 4/10 - segment on cyclones Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:25:20 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 10:25:21.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4948EB0:01C14BF5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi All

Let me interrupt these exciting reports to mention a segment on ABC TV's Catalyst program tomorrow night apparently dealing with whether our northern cities's building standards will stand up to 'super cyclones'.  Sounds interesting.



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X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM ISSUES TORNADO WARNING!!!! Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:44:49 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 10:44:49.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D18D0C0:01C14BF8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

The existence of this list and others like it have contributed to an increased awareness, that has in turn, made the issue of a tornado warning more likely.

>From: David Findlay
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM ISSUES TORNADO WARNING!!!!
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:07:49 +1000
>
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:53, Jane ONeill hit her keyboard with her head and the
>result was this:
> > A severe thunderstorm with a tornado has been reported over the
> > Ballarine Peninsula east of Geelong and is expected to move northeast at
> > 45 km/h towards the city area in the next half hour. Damaging winds and
> > locally heavy rainfall are possible.
>
>So can we say this is the BoM's first ever tornado warning?????
>
>Have they ever said anything like this before. And what's happening down
>there? any chasers? any damage? what F rating? sure hope it's not an F5!
>
>David
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From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:56:16 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:04, Michael Olsen hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > hey, > > The servere squall/thunderstorm warning was downgraded nto so long ago. and > no further severe weather is expected. Which realistically in many respects > is probably a good thing. i oculd think of better things than a tornado > ripping through melbournes CBD. Were any chasers near there? Was there any damage? Who "observed" the tornado? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Smail" To: Subject: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. Regards to all, Lindsay Smail. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:29:36 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) format please? Pretty, pretty please? Thanks David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: hey Clyve! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:48:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What the hell is going on down there Mate!! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:44:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Go Clyve!!! Your area. Sounds pretty wild! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! > Evening all, > > ****** READ THE BIT ABOUT THE TORNADO!!!!!!!!! ******* > > What is happening down there? Clyve? Lindsay? Luke? Anyone?? > > > > NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST > > Top Priority > Severe Thunderstorm Warning > > for Melbourne Metropolitan area, Geelong, Ballarine and Mornington > Peninsulas and Port Phillip. > > Issued at 6:46pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 > > A severe thunderstorm with a tornado has been reported over the > Ballarine Peninsula east of Geelong and is expected to move northeast at > 45 km/h towards the city area in the next half hour. Damaging winds and > locally heavy rainfall are possible. > > [radio media to play Severe Weather News Tag Alert 4 here] > > The current thunderstorm warning, issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, > indicates the strong probability of intense storm activity in this area. > > In the interest of community safety the SES suggests some simple > precautions: > - secure any loose objects in the vicinity of your home > - stay indoors if possible > - if you are outdoors, avoid sheltering under trees > - listen to the radio station for storm updates > - switch off computers and electrical appliances > > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:30:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 12:31:20.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E3EDFF0:01C14C07] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David. The video footage was taken on video 8 using a basic sony handicam, I have no video capture device, however the local newspaper managed to convert some of the frames for possible publication and I will try to obtain these and send them to the list, I will show the video at the next Victorian ASWA meeting in November. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Findlay To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and > the result was this: > > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts > > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your > > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. > > Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) format > please? > > > Pretty, pretty please? > > Thanks > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:25:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 12:27:00.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[B36092D0:01C14C06] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. At approx 1800hrs 3/10/01 A heavy shower commenced here at Leopold, the shower and occasional thunder was of a cold air type that had drifted from southwest of Geelong over the previous 20 minutes. As this CB moved north east of Leopold a flanking line came into view which extended westward from the main rain area. This flanking line showed massive and rapidly growing updrafts and ragged lowerings...all back lit by the low sun.. At approx 1810 the very rear of the flanking line and immediately under a very strong updraft showed what I would describe as weak rotation,this area of rotation rapidly intensified and formed a small funnel. The funnel then moved just north of Leopold and increased in length and actually touched down at approx 1814hrs in a grass paddock. (no debris seen) Then lifted and continued to move northeast as a funnel initially weakening and then intensifying. By 1820 the funnel now 3 or 4 klm northeast of Leopold became large and touched down again, the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent updraft and was maintained for at least another 10 minutes, and finally dissipated over Port Phillip bay at about 1832, however the wall cloud continued to show rotation and was rather large, at about 1840 another smaller funnel developed along the infeed flanking line but only lasted about 3 minutes. The video sequence lasts about 5 minutes and shows the tornado near to its most intense phase with another view lasting about 39 seconds showing an almost wedge shaped tornado. The early stages of this tornado were unable to be video due to water in the camera!!! and the auto dew cut out was activated I need not tell any ASWA member what that made me feel like........ The passage of this storm across the Geelong area seems to have coincided with the passage of a thermal trough although I have not checked the soundings I believe the 500hpa temp was close to -24c surface temps were not high being around 13c however the low to mid layers were very moist. To have travelled thousands of kilometres in the hunt for something like this only to have a tornado drop almost into your back yard is beyond description, I hope you are also blessed with such an event...regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:30:46 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Be patient David He may not have the resources to put video onto computer (many of us dont) Im sure when Clyve is ready he will tell us all what happened. Matt Smith David Findlay wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and > the result was this: > > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts > > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your > > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. > > Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) format > please? > > > Pretty, pretty please? > > Thanks > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:33:12 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell and Clyve's tornado! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald an everyone. The storm was about 50km or so from my location, and at its best I was driving through newcastle trying to get to the beach amongst thousands of cars and traffic that had come to town for the Knights ticketape parade. Made it to a lookout and watched, I have a number of photographs and some video, the storm looked somewhat similar to this image: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg I do have doubts now as to if it was a supercell... updraughts went up and moved east, and other updraughts went up in the same place, very multicellular... but occasionally a huge massive updraught would dominate and overshoot, and stay there, and last for 20 minutes or so boiling away... Sometimes we just need radar to verify I guess. No rotation was observed (50km away remember), I thought I saw a lowering at one stage, but dismissed it as I was looking north towards the southern side of the storm, not the northern side. I do have about 10 photographs and a couple of minutes of video. When I finish the roll and get them scanned you can make up your own mind Harald. Onto this tornado that Clyve filmed. Congratulations on a great catch, you will remember this day for the rest of your life (Like myself and the Nov 3 event) Lets hope we all bag one or 2 on the upcomming TDU ! Matthew Smith Harald Richter wrote: > Well, > > The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large reflectivity > core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle > and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show > all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent > updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from > 3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. > > The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift line > with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C > around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level > cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do > with the cell's timing and location. > > Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught > as supercellular, which would not surprise me. > I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone > on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? > > Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) > Harald > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Zac" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:53:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Excellent stuff Clyve !!!! Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado > Hi David. > The video footage was taken on video 8 using a basic sony handicam, I have > no video capture device, however the local newspaper managed to convert some > of the frames for possible publication and I will try to obtain these and > send them to the list, I will show the video at the next Victorian ASWA > meeting in November. regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Findlay > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado > > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and > > the result was this: > > > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > > > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive > downbursts > > > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > > > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > > > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > > > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > > > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on > your > > > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. > > > > Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) > format > > please? > > > > > > Pretty, pretty please? > > > > Thanks > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:00:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 13:01:12.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A53D470:01C14C0B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Matt. Look forward to seeing you at some stage I still think your footage of the Sydney supercell is one of the best I have seen. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Smith To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado > Be patient David > He may not have the resources to put video onto computer (many of us dont) > Im sure when Clyve is ready he will tell us all what happened. > > Matt Smith > > David Findlay wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and > > the result was this: > > > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > > > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts > > > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > > > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > > > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > > > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > > > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your > > > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. > > > > Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) format > > please? > > > > > > Pretty, pretty please? > > > > Thanks > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: hey Clyve! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:36:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 13:37:57.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CC2BBC0:01C14C10] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie. Nice to here from you, well apart from frogs we have also had a plague of caterpillars over the last two days, also I looked out across the paddock this morning and there were hundreds of crows!!...all feeding on the caterpillars!,what next I thought,then along comes this bloody tornado and me with a crook camcorder thank goodness I got it to work.best wishes Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussie To: weather list Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: aus-wx: hey Clyve! > What the hell is going on down there Mate!! > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p190-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.190] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:53:56 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harold, Matt and all, Yes. We were onto this storm system. We were stuck in the eastern Hunter when I noticed the winds were remaining W and persisting. I must than the call from Dave and the local update of the models only - nothing had developed at that stage that was remarkable. However, it was the stuff to the E that had my interest with corkscrew behaviour in all updraughts and circular bases. But the storm system was not that spectacular at that stage. So we (Tim Crugeon, Shanon Symmonds and myself) headed towards Karuh and then Bulahdelah. It was at Karuh or just beyond that I noticed the storm had begun to explode into a severe structure: noting the crisp side anvil right above us peeping out amongst the base (Jimmy get your eyes on the road). When we stopped on the side of the road, the storm had quickly begun to organise a shelf cloud structure and then quickly the light green tinge began to show. I was impressed with the development and organisation. This developed supercell characteristics quicker than any other supercell I have seen this season. The storm was quickly moving E-NE (left moving) in my opinion. At Bulahdelah, we stopped for more photographs and video and watched the precipitation cascades. show hail shafts. This was developing at a rapid rate. Just north of Buladelah, we noted what seemed to me like a clear air region with wind suddenly gusting through. There was rotation occurring at a 70 degree angle (almost overhead). But it may have been just the scud - but the rotation was definitely cyclonic. So we headed further north to stay ahead noting that we had few road options. The rotation continued for several minutes but the road slightly veered away from the area of rotation. Again, this had to happen in area with very poor road options. Perhaps it would have been better to go to Forster but I wanted to remain just ahead. The storm was moving away but more were developing on the NW-W end. This system had the potential, and probably I suspect was, a cyclic system with new storms developing in pulse like a multicellular system but with incredible twisting in the updraught and you could see visible rotation in the updraughts. Trained eyes I suppose could see it. Well I have to review the footage before I make any judgements. Just south of Nabiac, we watch the storm interact with the NE sea breeze. The base started to show back-building behaviour and the bases were quite interesting in my opinion. (Some people may be bored watching the footage I suppose). To the W, there was clear skies and less cumulus. The last storm to develop still showed supercell structure and was situated right along the dryline. To Paul Graham, who was located at that stage near Gloucester, it had a cork screw updraught and he felt it looked like an LP supercell. Well, I suppose it is now time to review videos. An interesting chase. Jimmy Deguara At 03:41 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Well, > >The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large reflectivity >core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle >and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show >all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent >updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from >3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. > >The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift >line >with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C >around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level >cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do >with the cell's timing and location. > >Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught >as supercellular, which would not surprise me. >I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone >on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? > >Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) >Harald > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Harald Richter >BMRC >PO Box 1289K >Melbourne VIC 3001 >Australia >ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p190-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.190] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:03:15 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORM CHASE - MY FIRST ONE Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Pete,

Excellent first chase description. This will always be an eventful chase in your career - nicknamed the "maiden chase". Well storm chase I suppose - you did do a snow chase earlier in August?

Well done anyway. You should come along to NSW ASWA meetings and discuss these chases and show photographs for all concerned.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:14 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote:
Hi all,
 
This is my very first report on my very first chase, and what an absolute beauty it was. Please forgive the lack of technical terminology
in this one - I'm still learning.
 
I headed off yesterday late afternoon down the F5 / Hume Highway towards Mittagong. I was escorted all the way a omninous looking black clouds
all the way down until I got to Mittagong at approx 5:30pm. Then all hell broke loose with heavy rain, pea size hail (washing away in the rain)
and lots of flashes. At the time I was happy to drive on, when the sky in front of me lit up with the longest bolt I've ever seen ! It stretched half
way across the sky. This made me a bit nervous thinking of what was to come. All this happened at the rise in the mountains just to the north of
Mittagong township. It grew very dark very quickly.
 
I continued on to the F5 Hume / Illawarra interchange being constantly bombarded with heavy rain and many strong bolts touching down. After a dinner
break at the travellers friend (the Golden Arches) I started to head home and thought of heading back through the Illararra region. Lucky I didnt because
by the looks of it the folks over that way got hammered.
 
I'm glad I went back up the Hume. All the way it got more intense and at one stage I had to pull over as the flashes were so bright and CLOSE oh so
CLOSE. I think I saw one hit the trees just over a hill and then another on the freeway itself.
 
I made another stop at Pheasant's Nest where many cars and trucks were stopped. The power went out at the Service Station about 15 minutes before
I got there which was about the time I saw the hit on the freeway. A truck drier was stranded there because he had just made it into the servo to fill with
diesel when the power went out. No power no pumps. Some other drivers I spoke to said they also saw the hit's on or near the freeway.
 
Anyway ... thats it .... geez I had fun .... a bit scary though.
 
 
Pete

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Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

Web Page with Michael Bath

Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p190-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.190] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:21:11 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell and Clyve's tornado! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg Read my comments with regards to the multicellular behaviour of the supercell system. Not that I am an expert of course - just my thoughts. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p190-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.190] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:18:19 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well done Clyve, Not only was there a warning which is what came through on an SMS, but you have it on video. Excellent stuff. You certainly deserve it Clyve with your years of experience and extensive knowledge. I certainly know how you feel Clyve. One tornado in Australia is worth heeps in the US - similar statement made by Harold!!! I cannot wait to see it. I suppose Thunder Down Under!!! Yes a couple of captures will come handy for those on the list. I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. Once again, well done Clyve. Jimmy Deguara At 10:25 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >At approx 1800hrs 3/10/01 A heavy shower commenced here at Leopold, the >shower and occasional thunder was of a cold air type that had drifted from >southwest of Geelong over the previous 20 minutes. As this CB moved north >east of Leopold a flanking line came into view which extended westward from >the main rain area. This flanking line showed massive and rapidly growing >updrafts and ragged lowerings...all back lit by the low sun.. At approx 1810 >the very rear of the flanking line and immediately under a very strong >updraft showed what I would describe as weak rotation,this area of rotation >rapidly intensified and formed a small funnel. The funnel then moved just >north of Leopold and increased in length and actually touched down at approx >1814hrs in a grass paddock. (no debris seen) Then lifted and continued to >move northeast as a funnel initially weakening and then intensifying. By >1820 the funnel now 3 or 4 klm northeast of Leopold became large and touched >down again, the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and >persistent updraft and was maintained for at least another 10 minutes, and >finally dissipated over Port Phillip bay at about 1832, however the wall >cloud continued to show rotation and was rather large, at about 1840 another >smaller funnel developed along the infeed flanking line but only lasted >about 3 minutes. >The video sequence lasts about 5 minutes and shows the tornado near to its >most intense phase with another view lasting about 39 seconds showing an >almost wedge shaped tornado. The early stages of this tornado were unable to >be video due to water in the camera!!! and the auto dew cut out was >activated I need not tell any ASWA member what that made me feel >like........ The passage of this storm across the Geelong area seems to have >coincided with the passage of a thermal trough although I have not checked >the soundings I believe the 500hpa temp was close to -24c surface temps were >not high being around 13c however the low to mid layers were very moist. To >have travelled thousands of kilometres in the hunt for something like this >only to have a tornado drop almost into your back yard is beyond >description, I hope you are also blessed with such an event...regards Clyve >Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:20:18 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:37:17 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:20, Robert Goler hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! Okay is that hanging from a wall cloud or a gust front? I would say a gust front myself. Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tina Jones" To: Subject: aus-wx: Congratulations Clyve Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:34:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks for putting the link up Robert, all I can say is WOW! Well done Clyve. It's a great shot & for once it sounds like a newspaper actually got it right! Cheers Tina :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. > > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:59:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What more can I say? Other than I haven't even seen a funnel yet! Bugger. Well done Clyve, excellent stuff!! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. > > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:05:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com CONGRATULATIONS Clyve - what an amazing thing to have happen in 'your own backyard' & to video it too!!!!! Heard you on the radio this morning on 3AW & Rod Aikman also heard you on StarFM in Bendigo. And David, I wouldn't doubt Clyve's word - he knows **exactly** what he saw. It doesn't look anything like either a wall cloud or a gust front. Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! Okay is that hanging from a wall cloud or a gust front? I would say a gust front myself. Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p43-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.235] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:02:33 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Rpbert and Clyve, That represents the best formed tornado in the Australian region observed in recent years in my opinion. It is a clear funnel observed all the way to the ground. Very nice. Well done Clyve. Sweet that it was in your backyard. Nice article too. Jimmy Deguara At 08:20 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all > >I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > >http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > >It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > >Cheers > >-- > >Robert A. Goler > >School of Mathematical Sciences >Monash University >Clayton, Vic 3800 >Australia > >ph. +61 3 9905 4424 >email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > >-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:21:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ok, I see what you mean David ....... are you asking what part of the cloud you can see at the top of the image? Better ask Clyve. Jane Okay is that hanging from a wall cloud or a gust front? I would say a gust front myself. Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:19:17 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, Thanks for pasting this link! WOW - that's awesome!!! Once again congratulations Clyve, great stuff! An interesting situation setup wise too, I'll be digging up a few things on it. AC Robert Goler wrote: > > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:18:06 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There will be a description of these three genders released in the near future (when I get motivated to do one...) AC Jane ONeill wrote: > > Afternoon Stormchasers, > > ...and that explains the thrid gender as coined by Anthony Cornelius, as in > > "Ladies, Gentlemen & Stormchasers..." > > I'm definitely of the third gender - I've got a 256km radar running, the > satpic & the webcam in the background, which is as close as I will get to it > till I get out or go to pick up my car from the service people (strangely I > have this feeling that it may be ready earlier than 5pm so that I may need > to leave a little earlier to collect it......... ) > > I'm definitely an inhabitant of the 'Planet of the Weather People' (storms > or no storms!) > > Jane > --------------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > --------------------------------------- > > Hi Robert. > Welcome to the planet of Weather People!!!!...regards Clyve H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Goler > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > > > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just > one > > > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok > > > > Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued to > > the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice > > SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of > > congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention is > > on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action > > currently happening around Wonthaggi! > > > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > > > Robert A. Goler > > > > School of Mathematical Sciences > > Monash University > > Clayton, Vic 3800 > > Australia > > > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > > > -- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:43:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve & Anthony, I've dug up the following already: webcams - Melbourne, St Kilda, Sandringham Victorian IR & WV 1830AEST Victorian visible 1530AEST CSIRO image Victoria & NSW for the afternoon Melbourne soundings 0Z & 12Z radar 1820 - 1850AEST Jane Hi Robert, Thanks for pasting this link! WOW - that's awesome!!! Once again congratulations Clyve, great stuff! An interesting situation setup wise too, I'll be digging up a few things on it. AC Robert Goler wrote: > > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:47:59 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:21, Jane ONeill hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > ok, I see what you mean David ....... are you asking what part of the > cloud you can see at the top of the image? Yeah. I'm just trying to make sure I've identified it properly. I don't doubt Clyve at all. :-) David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.0.101.2] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:34:51 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 00:34:51.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[6160D740:01C14C6C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Victorian tornado Phenomenon continues!!. Unbelievable!! Great stuff Clyve - there have been many excellent wall clouds and 'possible' funnels captured over the last few years, but we are almost always left wondering whether there was a tornado somewhere 'in amongst it' - but there can be no doubts about this one! Really looking forward to the post-analysis. What with this, Paraparap, Sunbury et al why are u Vics heading north on TDU :D D _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:40:51 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just saw Clyve's video on channel 7 morning news in Sydney... keep an eye out you will probably see it tonight. Brilliant stuff Clyve!!! It looked big behind that building !!!! very nice indeed. Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: johnstone at psyphw.psych.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:58:19 -0500 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Tom Johnstone Subject: aus-wx: S. Indian Ocean cyclone? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anyone noticed the circulation centre in the Indian ocean: https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/jtgio_ir2.jpg And the JTWC advisory: https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt Maybe something going to happen? Tom Johnstone Madison, WI +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tornado Leopold. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:21:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 01:22:22.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[049099E0:01C14C73] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. My phone wrang at 0513 this morning and never stopped, by 0720 there were huge cameras and tripods in the street and about 15 people on the front lawn, it all seemed a bit sureal. Apart from the local paper(Geelong Advertiser) there didnt seem to much interest last night in a tornado event. All interviews went well however and hopefully the news will present a ballanced report tonight and through the day, Im heading for Trentham to do a bit of gem hunting best wishes Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.45.8] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Wx warnings and radio/TV Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:45:19 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 01:45:19.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[398B0AB0:01C14C76] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone. First of all, big congrats to Clyve for catching the beast! In in your own backyard too. Lucky boy! Secondly, congrats to the BoM, for their (I think) first ever tornado warning. Ok, on to the topic. One thing that has annoyed me over the years is the lack of warnings that are broadcast to the public over radio and TV. Radio and TV stations seem to ignore STA's, and now even tornado warnings!!!!! Yesterday's event is a prime example of how bad this is. We had the potential for lives to be lost had the tornado entered a populated area, yet I heard nothing of the warning on the radio or TV. It was only when I looked on the internet that I found out. Isn't that the idea of warnings????? To tell the general public about potential danger?????? It was last time I checked. The only radio station I know of, besides a few on the AM band, that gives out warnings, is Plenty Valley FM, a comunity radio station. What about the commercial stations? The majority of people seem to listen to them, so they should be broadcasting these warnings. Sorry for the big whinge people. Any thoughts? Liam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:56:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy. Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued torndao warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as the early 1980's. John. >snip... >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > >Once again, well done Clyve. > >Jimmy Deguara +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:45:07 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's amazing what great images can do. I was giving my first year computer laboratory today and while going through some lecture material and worksheets, all the students weren't all that interested (as per normal). Then some of the work briefly mentioned thunderstorms and tornadoes, and that's when I showed them Clyve's tornado footage and the lightning footage of mine and Macca's from the weekend. It's like everyone suddenly woke up and you could see everyone going 'Whoa, look at that!' and actually getting excited about the weather. Unfortunately, I didn't have Clyve's image for my other lab on Tuesday, but they all loved the lightning shots. Their next piece of work involves them designed a poster in groups about some aspect of the weather. About 80% of the groups are now doing it on storms!! Oh, and I did give ASWA a plug to, and recommended them to the various aussie weather websites out there. And I must admit that an earlier post by David Findlay had me absolutely fuming. Luckily I didn't send an email there and then as I'm sure I would've broken the record for the most swear words in a sentence :-) David concluded that he thought the tornado was coming from a gust front, thus implying that it was a gustnado. Now, admittedly from that shot it is hard to distinctly tell if it's a wall cloud or a gust front, but if you had READ Clyve's earlier report that he emailed to the list, he says: "the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent updraft" Now Clyve is one of the most experienced weather watches on this list, and there is NO way I would be questioning what he saw, especially trying to judge it on one small image when Clyve saw the whole thing happening before his eyes! Anyway, that's off my chest, and apologies for perhaps making a mountain out of a molehill, but hey, I thought it needed to be said. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Jimmy Deguara wrote: > Hi Robert and Clyve, > > That represents the best formed tornado in the Australian region observed > in recent years in my opinion. It is a clear funnel observed all the way to > the ground. Very nice. > > Well done Clyve. Sweet that it was in your backyard. Nice article too. > > At 08:20 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi all > > > >I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > > >http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > > >It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wx warnings and radio/TV Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:19:33 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:45, Liam Domanski hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > What about the commercial stations? The majority of people seem to listen > to them, so they should be broadcasting these warnings. Why not ask them? A while ago the local station 4KQ asked people to give comments on their coverage of emergencies. So why not give your local station a ring and ask them to carry these, especially when they contain tornado warnings. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p43-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.235] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:20:53 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, Thanks for the confirmation. I wasn't quite sure but I know Paul Graham mentioned something along those lines but for Canberra. In light of what you said, I don't know what the fuss was about in January when we questioned why a warning was not issued for the Sydney tornado - particularly since we had Doppler radar and world experts in Sydney who knew what was going on. But great to see the Bureau issue a tornado warning nevertheless. Jimmy Deguara At 11:56 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy. > >Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued torndao >warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as >the early 1980's. > >John. > > >snip... > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:33:02 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:45, Robert Goler hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > And I must admit that an earlier post by David Findlay had me absolutely > fuming. Luckily I didn't send an email there and then as I'm sure I > would've broken the record for the most swear words in a sentence :-) > David concluded that he thought the tornado was coming from a gust front, > thus implying that it was a gustnado. Now, admittedly from that shot it > is hard to distinctly tell if it's a wall cloud or a gust front, but if > you had READ Clyve's earlier report that he emailed to the list, he says: > > "the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent > updraft" Yeah thanks, that tells me a lot. I was just wondering what exactly was being shown. > Now Clyve is one of the most experienced weather watches on this list, and > there is NO way I would be questioning what he saw, especially trying to > judge it on one small image when Clyve saw the whole thing happening > before his eyes! Where did I question what he saw? I'm just trying to learn exactly what is being shown in the picture. Can't anyone ask a question around here? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:32:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. Thoughts anyone? John. >snip Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:47:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, I still think however that there is a general reluctance to use the word in the interests of not alarming the general populace. Those of us with cynical view would suggest that it is done deliberately to keep tourists comfortable... I guess for storms where there has been a tornado observed there is little room for speculation. The warning I recall from the early 80's included the words 'large hail and possible tornadoes' and was broadacst on all media. As it happens none eventuated other than an unconfirmed report from Mt. Nebo. I seem to remember Jeff Callaghan from the QLD BoM mentioning at an ASWA meeting that tornado warnings have sometimes been issued - but they are very rare. You would think that with the number of awesomely severe storms we experience and increasing number of tornadoes now being reported - that perhaps it is time for some revised wording rather than just 'strong winds'. Regards, John. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:21 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Hi John, Thanks for the confirmation. I wasn't quite sure but I know Paul Graham mentioned something along those lines but for Canberra. In light of what you said, I don't know what the fuss was about in January when we questioned why a warning was not issued for the Sydney tornado - particularly since we had Doppler radar and world experts in Sydney who knew what was going on. But great to see the Bureau issue a tornado warning nevertheless. Jimmy Deguara At 11:56 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy. > >Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued torndao >warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as >the early 1980's. > >John. > > >snip... > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:00:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, I think the question as to where the tornado and updraft was in relation to the overall storm structure and movement is a really good one, and I am really looking forward to the analysis. Was it a classical Supercell situation or something else? I am not talking about Gustnado's but a far more elusive beast associated with frontal activity. MAYBE THIS IS IT!!!! The first capture of a real live "coldie"????? That is why I think the analysis will be good and why this footage is perhaps so valuable. Clyve I would love to hear your views on this. Farking awesome pic too. John. >snip And I must admit that an earlier post by David Findlay had me absolutely fuming. Luckily I didn't send an email there and then as I'm sure I would've broken the record for the most swear words in a sentence :-) David concluded that he thought the tornado was coming from a gust front, thus implying that it was a gustnado. Now, admittedly from that shot it is hard to distinctly tell if it's a wall cloud or a gust front, but if you had READ Clyve's earlier report that he emailed to the list, he says: "the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent updraft" Now Clyve is one of the most experienced weather watches on this list, and there is NO way I would be questioning what he saw, especially trying to judge it on one small image when Clyve saw the whole thing happening before his eyes! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:04:49 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Folks: It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. Congrats on your catch, ol' man! (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km AGL 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the northernmost of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with Clyve's TOR) The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity pattern IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely low-topped for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped tornadic storm has ever been documented) (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface trough/wind shift line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and the wind direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture quickly dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up to ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, and 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running into the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW around 500 hPa. (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 UTC MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt mid-level flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the 11 UTC MML sounding. (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of Leopold between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each other. (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a disconnected line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to Ballarat to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have advected "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary mentioned above. My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination led to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven wrong on this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made this overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic are tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around 1810 LT, and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level of info available operationally). If you have some extra insights, please let me know. Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:20:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Can i have the URL for the pic please i missed it i deleted the post by acciedent :(! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Terminology - Supercells / Tornado Warnings To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:29:03 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John W. wrote: > ... I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. ..... > By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there > of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely > hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe > having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. Quite often we don't have sufficient evidence to identify an updraught as a supercell. I agree with your example, from the image alone I can't tell to what degree the convection is supercellular. This updraught could have collapsed 10 minutes later, or formed a backsheared anvil and overshooting top the same 10 minutes later. Convincing evidence is usually based on the co-occurence of various more ambiguous features, e.g. overshooting top + updraught longevity + minor corkscrew appearance of the updraught, but it can also be based on a single less ambiguous feature (e.g. 12 cm hail or roaring 1 hour F5 tornado). John W. also wrote: > I still think however that there is a general reluctance to use the word [TORNADO] in > the interests of not alarming the general populace. Those of us with > cynical view would suggest that it is done deliberately to keep tourists > comfortable... A tornado warning that means anything requires some pretty good evidence that the (imminent) occurence of a tornado is likely. You can warn on a radar-indicated tornado (mid-level velocity couplet that persists for several volume scans, unique reflectivity features such as the BWER) or __reliable__ spotter reports (spotter indicates _convincingly_ that a wall cloud is spinning like a top). Clyve just demonstrated how a reliable spotter report can be converted into an official warning. From what I have seen of our mostly non-Doppler radar network, you got to have a pretty big strong storm pretty close to the radar to issue a "reflectivity-based" TOR. It's a gutsy call. With more Doppler capability (and good dealiasing algorithms etc.) forecasters could issue TORs more confidently. Cheers, Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Smail" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:30:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dean - I have a link at http://users.pipeline.com.au/gws/ Lindsay Smail -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Dean McWhinney Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2001 1:21 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Can i have the URL for the pic please i missed it i deleted the post by acciedent :(! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:52:57 +1000 From: Greg Browning X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Upper-level charts request X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 02:53:22.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAB8DF00:01C14C7F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Hope most people have been getting their fair share of action lately. Here in the S.E. suburbs of Melbourne we had a nice little lightning show Tuesday night, but it looked like the best of it remained to the north and south. Had reports of power outages and severe winds in the Warragul region (about 100k's east of my location), but it was all gareden-variety stuff in the suburbs. I also have a request to make in regard to the aquisition of several upper-level analysis charts. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could either supply or tell me how to obtain the following charts: MSLP/Thickness, 700, 500hPa analysis(LAPS) for 00UTC 01/9/01 & 250hPa for 00UTC 01/9 and 02/9/01. Thanks in advance Greg Browning Mulgrave, Vic PS Great work, Clyve. If anyone deserved to have a 'nader land in their backyard, it was certainly you (I mean that in the nicest possible way!!) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Wx warnings and radio/TV Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:16:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Liam, I did hear the warning played on FM104.9 last night & that was a first for me - I've never heard it before...... and they read the whole thing including the tornado sighting. Jane Hi everyone. First of all, big congrats to Clyve for catching the beast! In in your own backyard too. Lucky boy! Secondly, congrats to the BoM, for their (I think) first ever tornado warning. Ok, on to the topic. One thing that has annoyed me over the years is the lack of warnings that are broadcast to the public over radio and TV. Radio and TV stations seem to ignore STA's, and now even tornado warnings!!!!! Yesterday's event is a prime example of how bad this is. We had the potential for lives to be lost had the tornado entered a populated area, yet I heard nothing of the warning on the radio or TV. It was only when I looked on the internet that I found out. Isn't that the idea of warnings????? To tell the general public about potential danger?????? It was last time I checked. The only radio station I know of, besides a few on the AM band, that gives out warnings, is Plenty Valley FM, a comunity radio station. What about the commercial stations? The majority of people seem to listen to them, so they should be broadcasting these warnings. Sorry for the big whinge people. Any thoughts? Liam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:02:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dean, If you want all of the info available including links on this event go to the MSC Forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report page for October at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/oct01.htm Jane Can i have the URL for the pic please i missed it i deleted the post by acciedent :(! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.109.250.95] From: "Shannon Symons" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:33:02 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 04:33:02.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[A78D0060:01C14C8D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, I was with Jimmy and Tim on the chase yesterday and just wanted to share a few of my thoughts. Yesterday was my second ever storm chase, having had my 'maiden chase' earlier in the year with Jimmy. I guess what id like to share today is not so much the technical side of what i saw (as I am only just getting used to it) but a few feelings I felt on the day from a 'newcomers' point of view. I had many highlights - most of the time I was simply in awe of what I was viewing. I am sure Jimmy was concerned about whether or not I was enjoying myself, due to my lack of talking! The truth is, I could not speak. What I was viewing simply took my breath away. At the end of the chase, sitting on the beach at Hallidays Point with Jimmy and Tim, I had great pleasure in recapping the days events in view of a beautiful roll cloud that I could not take my eyes off. It was a perfect end to the day but it did not stop there. Whilst we were driving back home, we were accompanied by a spectacular lightening show off the coast as we travelled south. Yesterday, for me, was a perfect example of why I love storm chasing. The day started, and never stopped, with an atmosphere of pure adrenalin, excitement and anticipation. I viewed and learnt about storm structures that could not be descibed in a textbook, got to see towns and areas I had never seen before, met new people, and the whole time knowing that I was sharing the experience with two people who hold the same passion and interest in the weather as I do. Thankyou to Jimmy and Tim for a great day!! Shannon >From: Jimmy Deguara >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:53:56 +1000 > >Hi Harold, Matt and all, > >Yes. We were onto this storm system. > >We were stuck in the eastern Hunter when I noticed the winds were remaining >W and persisting. I must than the call from Dave and the local update of >the models only - nothing had developed at that stage that was remarkable. >However, it was the stuff to the E that had my interest with corkscrew >behaviour in all updraughts and circular bases. But the storm system was >not that spectacular at that stage. > >So we (Tim Crugeon, Shanon Symmonds and myself) headed towards Karuh and >then Bulahdelah. It was at Karuh or just beyond that I noticed the storm >had begun to explode into a severe structure: noting the crisp side anvil >right above us peeping out amongst the base (Jimmy get your eyes on the >road). > >When we stopped on the side of the road, the storm had quickly begun to >organise a shelf cloud structure and then quickly the light green tinge >began to show. I was impressed with the development and organisation. This >developed supercell characteristics quicker than any other supercell I have >seen this season. > >The storm was quickly moving E-NE (left moving) in my opinion. At >Bulahdelah, we stopped for more photographs and video and watched the >precipitation cascades. show hail shafts. This was developing at a rapid >rate. > >Just north of Buladelah, we noted what seemed to me like a clear air region >with wind suddenly gusting through. There was rotation occurring at a 70 >degree angle (almost overhead). But it may have been just the scud - but >the rotation was definitely cyclonic. > >So we headed further north to stay ahead noting that we had few road >options. The rotation continued for several minutes but the road slightly >veered away from the area of rotation. Again, this had to happen in area >with very poor road options. Perhaps it would have been better to go to >Forster but I wanted to remain just ahead. The storm was moving away but >more were developing on the NW-W end. This system had the potential, and >probably I suspect was, a cyclic system with new storms developing in pulse >like a multicellular system but with incredible twisting in the updraught >and you could see visible rotation in the updraughts. Trained eyes I >suppose could see it. Well I have to review the footage before I make any >judgements. > >Just south of Nabiac, we watch the storm interact with the NE sea breeze. >The base started to show back-building behaviour and the bases were quite >interesting in my opinion. (Some people may be bored watching the footage I >suppose). > >To the W, there was clear skies and less cumulus. The last storm to develop >still showed supercell structure and was situated right along the dryline. >To Paul Graham, who was located at that stage near Gloucester, it had a >cork screw updraught and he felt it looked like an LP supercell. > >Well, I suppose it is now time to review videos. An interesting chase. > >Jimmy Deguara >At 03:41 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >>Well, >> >>The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large >>reflectivity >>core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle >>and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show >>all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent >>updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from >>3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. >> >>The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift >>line >>with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C >>around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level >>cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do >>with the cell's timing and location. >> >>Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught >>as supercellular, which would not surprise me. >>I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone >>on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? >> >>Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) >>Harald >> >>-- >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Harald Richter >>BMRC >>PO Box 1289K >>Melbourne VIC 3001 >>Australia >>ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >>fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >>email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >>url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >>to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Illawarra Cumulous Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:23:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Illawarra Cumulous

Hi all,

Firstly, congratulations to you Clyve and I'm looking forward to getting on the net this afternoon to check out the whole story. Your work in providing analysis and updates on the weather list is invaluable for us weather amateurs. Keep up the work and may you catch many more tornadoes in your chases.

The situation in the Illawarra from lunchtime at least has been interesting. The winds have swung around to the N-NE from SW this morning. Temps are not all that high, but we have plenty of cumulous developing. Most of it is reasonable high based, although some gruntier stuff has really good hard and lower bases. All but the lower level winds seem to be from the SW still though which is putting a good lean to some of the towers. They are hitting a good cap, although a few are breaking through to give an anvil, and then precipitation.

Looking south, there seems to be some high cirrus probably down Canberra way, which looks to be the edge of anvils. Is there some more unsettled weather happening down that way? Given the right combination we just might get a small amount of lightning later, but we'll have to see. It's not too exciting given the events of the last few days, but still a bonus compared to getting nothing.

Andrew Godsman

EOM

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From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Illawarra Cumulous Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:43:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Illawarra Cumulous
Andrew  & all,
 
Keep an eye out !! - the small localised low pressure cuirculation that wandered NE from Cape Otway, across the Bellarine Peninsula (and we know what happened there...) & up through Melbourne overnight (giving some lucky suburbs 15 - 20mm rain) is actually in your area atm.
 
Keep watching!!
 
Jane ONeill


Hi all,

Firstly, congratulations to you Clyve and I'm looking forward to getting on the net this afternoon to check out the whole story. Your work in providing analysis and updates on the weather list is invaluable for us weather amateurs. Keep up the work and may you catch many more tornadoes in your chases.

The situation in the Illawarra from lunchtime at least has been interesting. The winds have swung around to the N-NE from SW this morning. Temps are not all that high, but we have plenty of cumulous developing. Most of it is reasonable high based, although some gruntier stuff has really good hard and lower bases. All but the lower level winds seem to be from the SW still though which is putting a good lean to some of the towers. They are hitting a good cap, although a few are breaking through to give an anvil, and then precipitation.

Looking south, there seems to be some high cirrus probably down Canberra way, which looks to be the edge of anvils. Is there some more unsettled weather happening down that way? Given the right combination we just might get a small amount of lightning later, but we'll have to see. It's not too exciting given the events of the last few days, but still a bonus compared to getting nothing.

Andrew Godsman

EOM

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X-Originating-IP: [141.132.11.4] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:12:59 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 06:13:00.0189 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E4294D0:01C14C9B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well Done Clyve. Nice pic ot the trunk too, looked similar to the one I saw here in ballarat a year or so ago. I love spring, all ya need is a little moisture, lots of sun and pow up go the Cu and Cj's :) Lots of Cjs here atm with one nice quick but large droped shower cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) >Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:04:49 +1000 (EST) > > >Folks: > >It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own >backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. >Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, >hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. >Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > >(1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel >is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the >background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the >foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, >i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > >(2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km >AGL > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the >northernmost > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with >Clyve's TOR) > >The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity >pattern > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely >low-topped > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > >(3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface >trough/wind shift >line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and the >wind >direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably >crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > >(4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture >quickly >dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up to >~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, >and >20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding >had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running >into >the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up >considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW >around 500 hPa. > > >(5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 >UTC >MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the >back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt >mid-level >flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the >11 UTC MML sounding. > > >(6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of >Leopold >between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow >to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This >also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each >other. > > >(7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a >disconnected >line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to >Ballarat >to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have advected >"useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary >mentioned above. > > >My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse >rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the >NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination >led >to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in >a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity >to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > >Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) >is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven >wrong on >this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made >this >overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic >are >tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates >at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). >I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around >1810 LT, >and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level >of >info available operationally). > > >If you have some extra insights, please let me know. >Harald > > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Harald Richter >BMRC >PO Box 1289K >Melbourne VIC 3001 >Australia >ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p347-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.93] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:03:41 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, That cell Michael Bath got had not only a classic supercell structure in its dissipating stage - it also had inflow bands - can be seen and also had a classic wall cloud structure and in the video of it one can just make a funnel/tornado. Is that sufficient evidence? I suppose you then have to ask Michael what he saw off Ballina that afternoon. Definitely not squall line oriented by the style of storms that occurred that day. I do recall Michael receiving an e-mail from the US suggesting that it was a supercell only to find with astonishment that it was over the ocean.... I hope this helps. Jimmy Deguara At 12:32 PM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general >education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the >word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear >quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately >labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > >By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there >of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely >hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe >having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. > >Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My >understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell >with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I >read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that >only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. > >Thoughts anyone? > >John. > >snip > >Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell > >At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p347-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.93] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:23:17 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need to supply this photo as an example http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point Michael Bath would need to take it on. What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar availability I suppose. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:32:26 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com CC: paul.miskelly at ansto.gov.au Subject: aus-wx: Sleet: Taralga Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All, We had a 20-30 minute fall of sleet here in Taralga from about 6PM with big wet flakes easily spotted on SW facing widows. The ground temp got down to 5.8 during the fall making a cold start for potential frost overnight. The snow line has been visible in a nuber of nearby showers this afternoon, falling from cold-air CBs like those spotted by Andrew G. in Wollongong no doubt. Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Lesiow" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Illawarra Cumulous Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:42:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Illawarra Cumulous
Just now looks like some small cells have developed, up here at Gosford just had a heavy shower and some thunder, on radar looks like some cells are round Sydney, a larger one near the airport. 
 
Sydney Metropolitan: For Tonight and Friday  
A few showers and thunderstorms tonight. Fine and mostly sunny
Friday.  Mild. 
Light to moderate southwest to southeast winds.
 
Paul
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Illawarra Cumulous

Andrew  & all,
 
Keep an eye out !! - the small localised low pressure cuirculation that wandered NE from Cape Otway, across the Bellarine Peninsula (and we know what happened there...) & up through Melbourne overnight (giving some lucky suburbs 15 - 20mm rain) is actually in your area atm.
 
Keep watching!!
 
Jane ONeill
From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:30:19 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I would say that it "looks" like a supercell. However I agree with John - these days severe thunderstorms "have to be" supercells. Not true. Many can have the classic features but you cant judge a book by its cover. It takes a combination of essential elements to classify a supercell. Compare this with Clyves stunning footage and its answers the question. PS - The BOM have confirmed after analysis that there indeed was a Tornado last year in Darwin. The damage strip was 200 - 300m wide by several KM/s long. It caused significant damage to gardens, shed or 4. I have offered to assist the severe weather mob to write up the report. Will post a copy for storm news when its done. Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:53 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? Hi all, Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need to supply this photo as an example http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point Michael Bath would need to take it on. What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar availability I suppose. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: Help Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:52:18 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Illawarra Cumulous

OK all the gurus out there.

I am planning a chase on Saturday. After looking at the models, it is hard to determine where to go. BOM have predicted afternoon storm inland for Darwin area, but looking at LI, CAPE and PRECIP it 'seems' to indicate an area around Mango Farm / Port Keats. Anyone got any suggestions?

For those AVN buffs:

Custom: Long 129 Width 5 Lat - 16 Height 6.

Opinions pliz.

Paul.

 

X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p347-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.93] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:18:02 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, I normally combine the wind shear characteristics, the environmental stability and if possible radar analysis with the visual characteristics. If I am wrong, I stand corrected I suppose. That is what this forum is about. Perhaps one important issue to point out here is when people often see overshoots, the word supercell comes out. Supercells have a more distinct overshoot than multicells. On the contrary to the statement about supercells, I was brought up with the belief that supercells are extremely rare. I would not even dare call something a supercell. But I don't think that they are as rare as people make them out to be. This is in particular in mid-latitudes and in some seasons you get more than normal. By the way, the initial e-mail was in reply to Matt Smith's e-mail with regard to multicell structure. From the literature, cyclic supercells often develop from multicell systems and then certain cells erupt into supercells along this line. From radar analysis, it seems this had supercell characteristics. I hope this clarifies my points. Jimmy Deguara At 06:30 PM 4/10/2001 +0930, you wrote: >I would say that it "looks" like a supercell. > >However I agree with John - these days severe thunderstorms "have to be" >supercells. Not true. Many can have the classic features but you cant judge >a book by its cover. > >It takes a combination of essential elements to classify a supercell. > >Compare this with Clyves stunning footage and its answers the question. > >PS - The BOM have confirmed after analysis that there indeed was a Tornado >last year in Darwin. The damage strip was 200 - 300m wide by several KM/s >long. It caused significant damage to gardens, shed or 4. I have offered to >assist the severe weather mob to write up the report. Will post a copy for >storm news when its done. > >Paul. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:53 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? > >Hi all, > >Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need >to supply this photo as an example > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg > >Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point >Michael Bath would need to take it on. > >What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar >availability I suppose. > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 04 Oct 01 20:05:48 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello clyve! 03 Oct 01 22:25, you wrote to All: ch> kilometres in the hunt for something like this only to have a tornado ch> drop almost into your back yard is beyond description, I hope you are ch> also blessed with such an event...regards Clyve Herbert. I have come close myself. Pity it was about 20 years ago, and I didn't know what to look for or what had happened until after the event. Tony, VK3JED -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 04 Oct 01 20:03:37 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello David! 03 Oct 01 21:29, you wrote to All: DF> Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) DF> format please? I saw some of the video on the channel 9 news tonight - and I haven't heard the "m" word at all with this one. :) Tony, VK3JED .. a manual? -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 04 Oct 01 19:58:01 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Wx Program Available Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Andrew! 03 Oct 01 18:21, you wrote to All: AM> Since earlier this year I have been writing a program that grabs the AM> hourly AWS observations from the BoM and plots them graphically. It AM> also does a few other things like interpolating the air pressure AM> readings for the country and generating a 'synoptic chart' so you can AM> see what's happening on an hourly (rather than 6 hourly and two hours AM> late) basis. Sounds well worth checking out. :) AM> It's all at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler/ AM> AM> Feedback, of course would be welcome. I'll give it a whirl, just about to download now. Tony, VK3JED .. e in a maze of twisty messages, all alike. -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 04 Oct 01 19:50:11 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello John! 02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: JG> JohnGaul JG> NZ Fine Weather Society ;-) JG> PS. for sale JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in Sydney for a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) Tony, VK3JED .. ection = Infection -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: aus-wx: I thought it was a query :-) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:12:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don't mean to upset anyone here or stand on anyone's toes. I definitely agree with everyone when I read about Clyve's great effort. I read David's email as I would have written it. I thought it was a question about which sort of cloud/formation it was from. I'm still learning as everyone is I reckon, and as mentioned, I thought it was a question. Every day is a learning day :-) As far as I've read a tornado always forms on the back end of the storm? I also note from my reading that these storms get a "hook" look on them. Anyone know why yet? Why do they form on the "back end"? Something to do with cooler air getting sucked in? All I can tell about today was it was quite cool at Dartmouth dam with some very light rain. Murphy's law. Bussie in the ranges, nothing will happen.......... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. > > It's amazing what great images can do. > > I was giving my first year computer laboratory today and while going > through some lecture material and worksheets, all the students weren't all > that interested (as per normal). Then some of the work briefly mentioned > thunderstorms and tornadoes, and that's when I showed them Clyve's tornado > footage and the lightning footage of mine and Macca's from the weekend. > It's like everyone suddenly woke up and you could see everyone going > 'Whoa, look at that!' and actually getting excited about the weather. > Unfortunately, I didn't have Clyve's image for my other lab on Tuesday, > but they all loved the lightning shots. Their next piece of work involves > them designed a poster in groups about some aspect of the weather. About > 80% of the groups are now doing it on storms!! > > Oh, and I did give ASWA a plug to, and recommended them to the various > aussie weather websites out there. > > And I must admit that an earlier post by David Findlay had me absolutely > fuming. Luckily I didn't send an email there and then as I'm sure I > would've broken the record for the most swear words in a sentence :-) > David concluded that he thought the tornado was coming from a gust front, > thus implying that it was a gustnado. Now, admittedly from that shot it > is hard to distinctly tell if it's a wall cloud or a gust front, but if > you had READ Clyve's earlier report that he emailed to the list, he says: > > "the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent > updraft" > > Now Clyve is one of the most experienced weather watches on this list, and > there is NO way I would be questioning what he saw, especially trying to > judge it on one small image when Clyve saw the whole thing happening > before his eyes! > > Anyway, that's off my chest, and apologies for perhaps making a mountain > out of a molehill, but hey, I thought it needed to be said. > > > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > Hi Robert and Clyve, > > > > That represents the best formed tornado in the Australian region observed > > in recent years in my opinion. It is a clear funnel observed all the way to > > the ground. Very nice. > > > > Well done Clyve. Sweet that it was in your backyard. Nice article too. > > > > At 08:20 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Hi all > > > > > >I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > > > > >http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > > > > >It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: aus-wx: Storm report in the Sydney Morning Herald Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:23:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Did anyone see the letter to the editor in today's Herald re a fall of red rain?
I suppose someone will send in a response..
From: "Zac" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:24:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeahhhhhhh, Was fun aye Tony? Remember nearly getting Zapped in Station St ???????? LOL Max. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day > > Hello John! > > 02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > JG> JohnGaul > JG> NZ Fine Weather Society > > ;-) > > JG> PS. for sale > JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed > JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because > JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or > JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! > > Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were > rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in Sydney for > a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the > forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on > a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need > to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) > > We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the > storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) > > Tony, VK3JED > > .. ection = Infection > -- > |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 > |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au > | > | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:17:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Me reading and trying to take in too much again, say that I thought a supercell was a storm system that fed off itself for hours. Single cell is a "15 minute" storm that comes and goes. Multi-cell I'm still not sure of. I can't and probably never will be able to tell from looking. Anyone care to explain in street terms the difference between the three. Thanks. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells > Hi All, > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > > By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there > of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely > hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe > having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. > > Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My > understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell > with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I > read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that > only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. > > Thoughts anyone? > > John. > >snip > > Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell > > At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p14-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.206] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:37:47 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tony, If you ever come to Sydney, please do meet up with others as we all try and treat others that come from the list or ASWA as guests. I must have missed it I suppose. And Max, you should have told us:) Jimmy Deguara At 07:50 PM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hello John! > >02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > JG> JohnGaul > JG> NZ Fine Weather Society > >;-) > > JG> PS. for sale > JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed > JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because > JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or > JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! > >Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were >rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in >Sydney for >a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the >forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on >a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need >to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) > >We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the >storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) > >Tony, VK3JED > >.. ection = Infection >-- >|Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 >|Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au >| >| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:23:59 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve. Good report on 'your' tornadic experience! How fantastic and what a thrill to capture that tornado on video. It's a shame that the dew monitor operated in the camera. I had a similar problem when I recorded a fantastic thunderstorm that passed over us in March 1999.The dew monitor operated in the camera, thus me missing many Cj and CC shots. JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc At 22:25 3/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >At approx 1800hrs 3/10/01 A heavy shower commenced here at Leopold, the >shower and occasional thunder was of a cold air type that had drifted from >southwest of Geelong over the previous 20 minutes. As this CB moved north >east of Leopold a flanking line came into view which extended westward from >the main rain area. This flanking line showed massive and rapidly growing >updrafts and ragged lowerings...all back lit by the low sun.. At approx 1810 >the very rear of the flanking line and immediately under a very strong >updraft showed what I would describe as weak rotation,this area of rotation >rapidly intensified and formed a small funnel. The funnel then moved just >north of Leopold and increased in length and actually touched down at approx >1814hrs in a grass paddock. (no debris seen) Then lifted and continued to >move northeast as a funnel initially weakening and then intensifying. By >1820 the funnel now 3 or 4 klm northeast of Leopold became large and touched >down again, the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and >persistent updraft and was maintained for at least another 10 minutes, and >finally dissipated over Port Phillip bay at about 1832, however the wall >cloud continued to show rotation and was rather large, at about 1840 another >smaller funnel developed along the infeed flanking line but only lasted >about 3 minutes. >The video sequence lasts about 5 minutes and shows the tornado near to its >most intense phase with another view lasting about 39 seconds showing an >almost wedge shaped tornado. The early stages of this tornado were unable to >be video due to water in the camera!!! and the auto dew cut out was >activated I need not tell any ASWA member what that made me feel >like........ The passage of this storm across the Geelong area seems to have >coincided with the passage of a thermal trough although I have not checked >the soundings I believe the 500hpa temp was close to -24c surface temps were >not high being around 13c however the low to mid layers were very moist. To >have travelled thousands of kilometres in the hunt for something like this >only to have a tornado drop almost into your back yard is beyond >description, I hope you are also blessed with such an event...regards Clyve >Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:37:57 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, This is a topic that has come up from time to time. I remember back to a few years ago, I used to think that a supercell was something special. Well, it is - but it wasn't quite as elusive as I had originally thought. But I think that occassionally in the excitement of things, people refer to storms as supercells when they aren't - and that when they go back through their photos/footage, retract their opinion. I personally tend to be reluctant to refer to a storm as a supercell unless I'm up close and 'personal' with it. In my opinion, it's very difficult to call a storm a supercell unless you see rotation. And not just any rotation, rather - persistent rotation, evident in a base/wall cloud/exposted mesocyclone. How long is persistent? The BoM suggests a mesocyclone should last for 20mins before it is a supercell. I believe in the states though, the presence of a mesocyclone indicates the cell is a supercell. I've read the two hour definition before, but I believe this is incorrect. One of the Oct 13, 1998 supercells only lasted for 30mins, it had a hook echo for 20mins and produced a tornado over the region, before weakening quite a bit, but still being severe over the AP region. A supercell doesn't need to be severe, but (IMO) most are. But can a shower be a supercell? I believe mesocyclones can occur in any convective cloud, and a shower can have a mesocyclone/wall cloud quite easily. AC John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi All, > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > > By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there > of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely > hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe > having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. > > Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My > understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell > with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I > read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that > only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. > > Thoughts anyone? > > John. > >snip > > Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell > > At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:50:05 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, I wouldn't even dare question your call on the status - if you call it a supercell then I'm there. I have just found others on the list often jump to the "supercell" call rather then analyse the storm for supercellular characteristics. Rgds, Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:48 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Hi Paul, I normally combine the wind shear characteristics, the environmental stability and if possible radar analysis with the visual characteristics. If I am wrong, I stand corrected I suppose. That is what this forum is about. Perhaps one important issue to point out here is when people often see overshoots, the word supercell comes out. Supercells have a more distinct overshoot than multicells. On the contrary to the statement about supercells, I was brought up with the belief that supercells are extremely rare. I would not even dare call something a supercell. But I don't think that they are as rare as people make them out to be. This is in particular in mid-latitudes and in some seasons you get more than normal. By the way, the initial e-mail was in reply to Matt Smith's e-mail with regard to multicell structure. From the literature, cyclic supercells often develop from multicell systems and then certain cells erupt into supercells along this line. From radar analysis, it seems this had supercell characteristics. I hope this clarifies my points. Jimmy Deguara At 06:30 PM 4/10/2001 +0930, you wrote: >I would say that it "looks" like a supercell. > >However I agree with John - these days severe thunderstorms "have to be" >supercells. Not true. Many can have the classic features but you cant judge >a book by its cover. > >It takes a combination of essential elements to classify a supercell. > >Compare this with Clyves stunning footage and its answers the question. > >PS - The BOM have confirmed after analysis that there indeed was a Tornado >last year in Darwin. The damage strip was 200 - 300m wide by several KM/s >long. It caused significant damage to gardens, shed or 4. I have offered to >assist the severe weather mob to write up the report. Will post a copy for >storm news when its done. > >Paul. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:53 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? > >Hi all, > >Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need >to supply this photo as an example > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg > >Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point >Michael Bath would need to take it on. > >What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar >availability I suppose. > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: I thought it was a query :-) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:24:19 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:12, Bussie hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > Don't mean to upset anyone here or stand on anyone's toes. I definitely > agree with everyone when I read about Clyve's great effort. > I read David's email as I would have written it. I thought it was a > question about which sort of cloud/formation it was from. I'm still > learning as everyone is I reckon, and as mentioned, I thought it was a > question. Every day is a learning day :-) It was. :-) It seems that some people took it the wrong way. > As far as I've read a tornado always forms on the back end of the storm? I > also note from my reading that these storms get a "hook" look on them. > Anyone know why yet? Why do they form on the "back end"? Something to do > with cooler air getting sucked in? I'd be interested to know this too. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.212] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Supercells? Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:20:41 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 11:20:42.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A64D6E0:01C14CC6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, Q. When is a supercell not a supercell? A. When it's a bloddyfantasticcell anyway! Point? I think we're all getting bent outa shape over some textbook definitions of what a storm should or shouldn't look like. If a storm produces hail, tornadoes, damage torrential rain etc.. does it matter whether it was a "supercell" or not? Harald may have got close to a point earlier today with his observations of the echo structure of the cell near Leopold...do US definitions of storm structure necessarily apply to Australia? I'm not saying they don't mind you, just whether different dynamics may be at work. BTW...Congrats big time to you Clyve...I've read with interest all your posts and it's gratifying to see you catch a big one!! also...I hope this forum never ends up like WX-CHASE in the US...regarding queries...I don't think it will but vigilance is needed. Looking forward to a great spring/summer regardless of whether the critters I see have barbers-poles or rock-hard sides... Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. P.S. Mind You the last time I saw a barbers-pole I was about to get shorn... :)) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:32:23 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Help Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul Here's my attempt. Looking at the previous run of the AVN model seems to show consistency with the latest run, in making the Port Keats area the hotspot. Looking at the forecast soundings for the area at: http://www.arl.noaa.gov/ready-bin/profsrc.pl?metdata=AVN+191+km shows that as you go further east and/or north, the temperature at 500mb becomes slightly warmer (by ~1-2 degs), but of more relevance is the lack of surface moisture away from Port Keats. Surface dew points at Pt Keats are forecast to be ~22 degs, while at Darwin it is forecast at 19 degs C. Perhaps a good check of how accurate these forecast dew points are expected to be, may be to compare the 12Z forecast sounding for Darwin for tonight with the 12Z Darwin BoM sounding when it eventually comes out. If the AVN forecast sounding is similar to the BoM observed, then you can pretty much put your faith in the model, otherwise things may become a little more tricky. However as you are probably aware, things may become clearer by tomorrow. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Paul Mossman wrote: > OK all the gurus out there. > I am planning a chase on Saturday. After looking at the models, it is hard > to determine where to go. BOM have predicted afternoon storm inland for > Darwin area, but looking at LI, CAPE and PRECIP it 'seems' to indicate an > area around Mango Farm / Port Keats. Anyone got any suggestions? > For those AVN buffs: > Custom: Long 129 Width 5 Lat - 16 Height 6. > Opinions pliz. > Paul. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:44:42 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Chris On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Chris Daley wrote: > Rob, did you notice any rotation in the Cb over the Dandenong's? I noted > some anti-clockwise rotation in the main updraft from my position in > Mooroolbark and reported it to Jane, who had also noticed it, who then > reported it to the BoM to prove to them that she wasn't crazy and someone > else saw it to. Funny you mention that cos when I initially saw it I joked to myself that it _looked_ like the updraft was curving anticlockwise up. But from my distance, and the fact that I haven't seen such a feature before meant that I was in no position to call it. Until I see a clearly obvious case of updraft rotation (analogous to my first funnels having to be clearly obvious in order for me to call them funnels), there is no way that I will have the confidence to mention it. > All this after flying over a beautiful display of lightning at 39,000ft on > Monday night to the north of Bendigo. 39,000ft and we were still 1,000ft > below the top of the anvil! Gees Chris, any room for an extra passenger???? Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Zac" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:40:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A bit hard Jim, It was a Wednesday night with 2 days notice............LOL Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day > Hi Tony, > > If you ever come to Sydney, please do meet up with others as we all try and > treat others that come from the list or ASWA as guests. I must have missed > it I suppose. And Max, you should have told us:) > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 07:50 PM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hello John! > > > >02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > > > JG> JohnGaul > > JG> NZ Fine Weather Society > > > >;-) > > > > JG> PS. for sale > > JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed > > JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because > > JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or > > JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! > > > >Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were > >rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in > >Sydney for > >a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the > >forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on > >a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need > >to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) > > > >We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the > >storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) > > > >Tony, VK3JED > > > >.. ection = Infection > >-- > >|Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 > >|Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au > >| > >| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:50:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Amazing to watch the tornado on the news tonight!!!!!! (I'm not sure where the ABC was while all of this was going on) I've put up all of the imagery & analysis that I have found so far (waiting for more coming in) regarding the Leopold tornado. The webcams are to the NE & ENE of Leopold 65kms (Melbourne) & 50kms (Sandringham) with St Kilda in between to give you some perspective. http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_10_01.htm If anyone has anything they'd like to add, please feel free to send it on & I'll include it. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:05:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Chris Daley wrote: > > > Rob, did you notice any rotation in the Cb over the Dandenong's? I noted > > some anti-clockwise rotation in the main updraft from my position in > > Mooroolbark and reported it to Jane, who had also noticed it, who then > > reported it to the BoM to prove to them that she wasn't crazy and someone > > else saw it to. > > Funny you mention that cos when I initially saw it I joked to myself that > it _looked_ like the updraft was curving anticlockwise up. But from my > distance, and the fact that I haven't seen such a feature before meant > that I was in no position to call it. Until I see a clearly obvious case > of updraft rotation (analogous to my first funnels having to be clearly > obvious in order for me to call them funnels), there is no way that I will > have the confidence to mention it. Well Robert, that's 3 of us now who all saw anticyconic rotation in that updraft from different parts of Melbourne!!!!! Macca, you have photos - what did you see? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:38:19 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Clyve's 'nader Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A very belated congrats from SA to you Clyve, the last few days here have been kinda interesting here but I got the shock of my life going online this arvo and finding the ruckus about the 'nader all over the shop. Apart for the great description and footage that I'm sure we'll all see in time, and the 'tornado warning' breakthrough, this is exactly the kind of thing that can really inspire flagging enthusiasm for those of us who have had a quiet winter WX wise. Roll on spring!!! Happy hunting all.... Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:20:06 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Lightning Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A few cells have popped up to my NEish about 40km away, producing lightning every 20 seconds or so, I have no idea how long these have been active, I was at work from Midday to 9.30pm, and have over 60 emails to read... urk. IRC guys tell me Clyve is famous, on TV all across the country on every channel, well done !!!! =) (Hope you had your ASWA jumper on ;) Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:48:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If you referring to my post, and just face it, it was posted just a little over 12 hours before yours, so it possibly falls into your wrath. Then I did use the word ' possible '. I am very careful about applying the supercell label and people that know me know I downplay most weather encounters. I am happy for anybody the take another look at the photo and make an opinion. http://ozthunder.com/temp/031001.jpg This storm lasted 5 hours. Had a RED core for near 2 hours. Michael ----- > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: I thought it was a query :-) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:28:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 12:29:50.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[4315B850:01C14CD0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Some of us know you too well thou David...... Regards, Macca-wx ----- Original Message ----- From: David Findlay To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:24 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: I thought it was a query :-) > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:12, Bussie hit his keyboard with his head and the > result was this: > > Don't mean to upset anyone here or stand on anyone's toes. I definitely > > agree with everyone when I read about Clyve's great effort. > > I read David's email as I would have written it. I thought it was a > > question about which sort of cloud/formation it was from. I'm still > > learning as everyone is I reckon, and as mentioned, I thought it was a > > question. Every day is a learning day :-) > > It was. :-) It seems that some people took it the wrong way. > > > As far as I've read a tornado always forms on the back end of the storm? I > > also note from my reading that these storms get a "hook" look on them. > > Anyone know why yet? Why do they form on the "back end"? Something to do > > with cooler air getting sucked in? > > I'd be interested to know this too. > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Graham" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:24:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I saw it on NBN up here (Ballina).........all I can say is way to go Clyve!!!!!! John From Ballina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. > CONGRATULATIONS Clyve - what an amazing thing to have happen in 'your own > backyard' & to video it too!!!!! > > > Heard you on the radio this morning on 3AW & Rod Aikman also heard you on > StarFM in Bendigo. And David, I wouldn't doubt Clyve's word - he knows > **exactly** what he saw. It doesn't look anything like either a wall cloud > or a gust front. > > Jane > --------------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > --------------------------------------- > > > Hi all > > > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > Okay is that hanging from a wall cloud or a gust front? I would say a gust > front myself. Thanks, > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:36:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 12:37:39.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AD4DCE0:01C14CD1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well......I hate to do this to the other states BUT....which one? I saw two cells over the back of the Dandenongs on Tuesday which were both extremely large and extremely strong. The second one later in the day was very very impressive and seemed to have a rotating updraft. I'll take some captures now and send them to Jane to upload this week. Regards, Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Chris Daley wrote: > > > > > Rob, did you notice any rotation in the Cb over the Dandenong's? I > noted > > > some anti-clockwise rotation in the main updraft from my position in > > > Mooroolbark and reported it to Jane, who had also noticed it, who > then > > > reported it to the BoM to prove to them that she wasn't crazy and > someone > > > else saw it to. > > > > Funny you mention that cos when I initially saw it I joked to myself > that > > it _looked_ like the updraft was curving anticlockwise up. But from > my > > distance, and the fact that I haven't seen such a feature before meant > > that I was in no position to call it. Until I see a clearly obvious > case > > of updraft rotation (analogous to my first funnels having to be > clearly > > obvious in order for me to call them funnels), there is no way that I > will > > have the confidence to mention it. > > Well Robert, that's 3 of us now who all saw anticyconic rotation in that > updraft from different parts of Melbourne!!!!! Macca, you have photos - > what did you see? > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:46:54 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It seems I might have started this debate without knowing it... I never said the buladelah storm was a supercell, just that it had taken on certain characteristics from my view 50km away, and that it looked "similar" to the image I posted of Michael Bath's. I also mentioned the storm did have large overshoots that persisted for an extended period of time and yes it did look supercellular, no doubt about it, and at times it didn't, but as Daniel Weatherhead says, sometimes there is a very fine line between whether a storm is one or not, and other times it is very obvious.I think quiet a few of us can make the call without a doubt, But I think alot of people are always critical until they see the photos themselves and dont take peoples word for it. Im still a bit iffy about the buladelah storm, maybe only radar detection (BWER scans etc) can deterimine for sure. I am deffinatly leaning towards supercell though. Harald and Bureau people on the net, would it be possible for you to obtain High res radar from Williamtown for this day? I think a few of us would be most interested in any findings. If not.. not to worry, I can only ask :) Matt Smith Paul Mossman wrote: > Hi Jimmy, > > I wouldn't even dare question your call on the status - if you call it a > supercell then I'm there. I have just found others on the list often jump to > the "supercell" call rather then analyse the storm for supercellular > characteristics. > > Rgds, Paul. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:48 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. > > Hi Paul, > > I normally combine the wind shear characteristics, the environmental > stability and if possible radar analysis with the visual characteristics. > If I am wrong, I stand corrected I suppose. That is what this forum is > about. > > Perhaps one important issue to point out here is when people often see > overshoots, the word supercell comes out. Supercells have a more distinct > overshoot than multicells. > > On the contrary to the statement about supercells, I was brought up with > the belief that supercells are extremely rare. I would not even dare call > something a supercell. But I don't think that they are as rare as people > make them out to be. This is in particular in mid-latitudes and in some > seasons you get more than normal. > > By the way, the initial e-mail was in reply to Matt Smith's e-mail with > regard to multicell structure. From the literature, cyclic supercells often > develop from multicell systems and then certain cells erupt into supercells > along this line. From radar analysis, it seems this had supercell > characteristics. > > I hope this clarifies my points. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 06:30 PM 4/10/2001 +0930, you wrote: > >I would say that it "looks" like a supercell. > > > >However I agree with John - these days severe thunderstorms "have to be" > >supercells. Not true. Many can have the classic features but you cant judge > >a book by its cover. > > > >It takes a combination of essential elements to classify a supercell. > > > >Compare this with Clyves stunning footage and its answers the question. > > > >PS - The BOM have confirmed after analysis that there indeed was a Tornado > >last year in Darwin. The damage strip was 200 - 300m wide by several KM/s > >long. It caused significant damage to gardens, shed or 4. I have offered to > >assist the severe weather mob to write up the report. Will post a copy for > >storm news when its done. > > > >Paul. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:53 PM > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? > > > >Hi all, > > > >Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need > >to supply this photo as an example > > > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg > > > >Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point > >Michael Bath would need to take it on. > > > >What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar > >availability I suppose. > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Jimmy Deguara > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > >from > >Schofields, Sydney > >NSW Australia > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 00:44:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael & Kevin in particular, Just wanted to say there is no 'wrath' or anyone being bent up on this - I was only trying to get some worthwhile commentary going, which is the purpose of this list surely. I find the topic interesting. There are certainly some severe storms which I have observed which had inflow bands and overshoots, produced damaging winds and huge hail, but cannot IMHO be classified as Supercells because there was no mesocyclone or rotation apparent. Probably without direct observation of base features, such as was the case with the Sydney tornadic storm, or nice 3d radar/doppler signatures, it is probably difficult to make the call purely from a distance photo. I like your photo Michael and it could well have been a Supercell... Also, I have found that from a distance, base features can be very deceptive - shelf clouds viewed side on can appear to be wedge shaped lowerings or wall clouds, e.g., http://www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm030701a.jpg The question of scale is also interesting - I agree with Anthony that sometimes it is possible to see supercell like structure in microcosm - relatively small non-lightning active Cumulus. But you wouldn't label these Supercells. Anyway, I just thought I'd see what other folk thought on the topic. John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:49 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells If you referring to my post, and just face it, it was posted just a little over 12 hours before yours, so it possibly falls into your wrath. Then I did use the word ' possible '. I am very careful about applying the supercell label and people that know me know I downplay most weather encounters. I am happy for anybody the take another look at the photo and make an opinion. http://ozthunder.com/temp/031001.jpg This storm lasted 5 hours. Had a RED core for near 2 hours. Michael +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:50:52 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm there. As far as I'm concerned, a cell that lasts for an extended time with no other cells 'feeding' it (read multicell) is a supercell regardless of structure or anything else. To me a supercell is a simply a cell that stays active independantly from other local weather. Structure, and the nature of the updraughts -> anvil and what not are secondary to that for mine. Andrew. Michael Thompson wrote: > > If you referring to my post, and just face it, it was posted just a little > over 12 hours before yours, so it possibly falls into your wrath. Then I did > use the word ' possible '. I am very careful about applying the supercell > label and people that know me know I downplay most weather encounters. > > I am happy for anybody the take another look at the photo and make an > opinion. > > http://ozthunder.com/temp/031001.jpg > > This storm lasted 5 hours. Had a RED core for near 2 hours. > > Michael > > ----- > > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of > the > > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:26:22 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Weekend Snow!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day all, The latest run of AVN suggests some wide-spread, late season snowfalls are likely towards the end of the weekend. The BoM only has mention of them for the alps so far but with the great blob of 535 thickness (00z Sunday) and the surrounding, more persistant 540 thickness indicated on the models I suspect it will be more than that, especially for Victoria. I await with interest! Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: aus-wx: Next weekend... Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:37:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Would anyone be willing to make predictions on next weekends weather in Canberra? A few (1000+) of us will be entered in a 24 hour Mountainbike race, and planning for what to take is happening as of tomorrow... I know a 7 day isn't that accurate, but anything is better than nothing... -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au "Razor scooters? It's a skateboard with a damn handle! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:44:56 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weekend Snow: Bathurst V8s Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Further to this, I have just found that on Saturday at 21Z (Sunday our time) there is a pool of 530 thickness over Vic. I'm not sure but I think that's the first time I've seen that this winter, if it comes off. It doesn't look like the cold air will push far enough north at the moment but even so, this could make very interesting weather for Bathurst on Sunday. There's certainly a good chance of snowfalls in ye old Oberon area which is not all that far from Bx. Sleet might be on the cards... Andrew. Andrew Miskelly wrote: > > G'day all, > > The latest run of AVN suggests some wide-spread, late season snowfalls > are likely towards the end of the weekend. The BoM only has mention of > them for the alps so far but with the great blob of 535 thickness (00z > Sunday) and the surrounding, more persistant 540 thickness indicated on > the models I suspect it will be more than that, especially for Victoria. > > I await with interest! > > Andrew. > > -- > > Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around > at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. > > Andrew Miskelly > amiskelly at ozemail.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aus Wx" Subject: aus-wx: Cloud over WA Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:02:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, This area of cloud over WA associated with the approaching rapidly deepening trough is expanding very rapidly. There's a strengthening infeed of moisture from the area around Indonesia again, and a lot of cold air at 850hPa lurking in the SW Bight area .......people, is this starting to sound a bit like last weekend & this week? Maybe the Victorian forecast will live up to its "drizzle with occasional tornadoes" description (again)! Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:34:11 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Help Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think I'll just reply to my own email :-) There seems to be an ok comparison between the AVN forecast sounding for 00Z today at Darwin and the BoM observed sounding. However, one thing the model doesn't pick up (due to lack of resolution) is the marked dry slot between 900hPa and 850hPa. Now this would have a detrimental effect on convection due to the entrainment of drier air into a moist air parcel lifted from the surface. However, I'm not sure how big an effect this will play. Anyone have any thoughts? What's more this layer has become drier since last night, so I'm not sure it it's a trend that will continue. So, plotting the 900mb RH for 06Z Sat shows that this layer will be moister the closer you are to the coast, southwest of Darwin. Anyway, looking at the forecast LIs (down to -2) and CAPE (up to 1300 J/kg) shows that the region of potential activity has extended further north. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Robert Goler wrote: > Perhaps a good check of how accurate these forecast dew points are > expected to be, may be to compare the 12Z forecast sounding for Darwin for > tonight with the 12Z Darwin BoM sounding when it eventually comes out. If > the AVN forecast sounding is similar to the BoM observed, then you can > pretty much put your faith in the model, otherwise things may become a > little more tricky. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Next weekend... Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:31:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com RE: aus-wx: Next weekend...

I'll also be keeping an eye on the weather for next weekend. Sunday morning in particular in Melbourne, running the marathon from Frankston to Albert Park and hoping that if there is a wind it has a significant element of S or E in it as the entire run is along the bay road and is exposed to anything coming off the bay. It could easily make the difference between a 2hr50min run or 3+hrs, hopefully the former.

Any speculation as we get closer to next weekend would be most appreciated. Although I will be in Melbourne from mid Friday to early Monday, so if Clyve will be kind enough to send a nadar around it would be appreciated.

Andrew Godsman

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Would anyone be willing to make predictions on next weekends weather in
Canberra? A few (1000+) of us will be entered in a 24 hour Mountainbike
race, and planning for what to take is happening as of tomorrow...

I know a 7 day isn't that accurate, but anything is better than
nothing...

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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Next weekend... Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:18:26 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Next weekend... Thread-Index: AcFNOko1X6x+cMYOQLm8YFjCiSqk8AAASrfQ From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id VAA09908 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Would anyone also like to predict the weather for this Sunday in Northern Victoria - Echuca area to be precise? Thanks Allison -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mirtschin [mailto:paul at nothingdesign.com.au] Sent: Friday, 5 October 2001 10:38 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Next weekend... Would anyone be willing to make predictions on next weekends weather in Canberra? A few (1000+) of us will be entered in a 24 hour Mountainbike race, and planning for what to take is happening as of tomorrow... I know a 7 day isn't that accurate, but anything is better than nothing... -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au "Razor scooters? It's a skateboard with a damn handle! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ##################################################################################### Notice: If you are not an authorised recipient of this e-mail, please contact Dawes & Vary immediately by return e-mail or by telephone on (03) 5852 1055 and destroy any copies of the e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally privileged information and copyright material. 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As the front enters the south of SA and Vic at around 00Z tomorrow, use a combination of hourly temperature, humidity, wind and pressure plots to track it accross the country and see what's happening in the wake of it. This will help you work out what it's going to do when it reaches you. Ofcourse you could do all this by reading the text obs, but it's 100 times harder! Sorry about the offtopic post. Andrew. WxProfiler: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:43:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 03:44:20.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[03FCDBF0:01C14D50] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. Nice tropical storm spinning up at about 17 north and 140 east today, still north of the sub trop jet and displaying good outflow potential aloft will be interesting to see how the sub trop jet interacts with this singularity development. Appears to be moving northwest at the moment. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: South east Aus. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:50:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 03:51:29.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[03FCE680:01C14D51] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Interesting developments showing up for south east Australia and Tasmania later tonight and especially tomorrow. A nice field of cold air looks as if it will be catapulted towards south east Aus as the high southwest of WA strengthens and works a strong ridge to the south. The baroclinic cloud band over WA seems to be on the move towards a Low that should develop west of Vic tonight as the thermal gradient becomes greater as the cold air approaches overnight,the cold air has come from below 60 south (the black abyss,reference to no satellite region) and with a bit of luck may send sufficiently cold air across SE Aus for snow to low levels during the weekend. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Offtopic: WxProfiler Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:55:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > For those who downloaded WxProfiler: I keep getting an "error loading data - Unknown reason" error with it... -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au "Razor scooters? It's a skateboard with a damn handle! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Andrew (Macca) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:01:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 04:02:18.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[865F15C0:01C14D52] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Andrew. Thank you for your kind thoughts, (I wont come over and give you hugs and kisses)as I recall you made a pretty good estimate of the dew point and I must say, not much in the way of weather gets past your observations. I cant wait to get out the back of Premer and chase the big one across the plains of the Northwest slopes of NSW and enjoy your 'colour full'description of the event. Thanks again Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:10:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 04:12:04.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3D05470:01C14D53] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tropos. Tropical storm should read 'south' of the sub tropical jet. regards C.H. ----- Original Message ----- From: clyve herbert To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. > Hi Phil. > Nice tropical storm spinning up at about 17 north and 140 east today, still > north of the sub trop jet and displaying good outflow potential aloft will > be interesting to see how the sub trop jet interacts with this singularity > development. Appears to be moving northwest at the moment. regards Clyve > Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.109.252.15] From: "steven williams" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Fine Day Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:35:57 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 09:35:58.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8F0C7A0:01C14CB7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, The dry high is now moving away. Looks like we could get a good dump of rain here over the weekend. Watch out for storms with hail in canterbury early next week, particularly on the southerly change. Cheers Steven Williams NZ Weather observer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:40:35 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes, Clyve, it looked to me this morning as though Okinawa might cop it big time in a few days from now. However, JTWC's latest prediction has Typhoon Krosa recurving much earlier and maybe giving Tokyo a fright about a week from now. However, the jet you refer to may take it around further to the South and miss Tokyo altogether. The last few storms in these parts seem to have been getting more and more unpredictable. BTW, Good going on the tornado the other day. I would love to view your video and listen to your interviews if someone gets them up on-line somewhere. It generated more e-mail from the aussie-weather list than I have seen in a while. Still getting through it all and trying to make it look like I am working in the meantime. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:10:49 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. > Hi Tropos. > Tropical storm should read 'south' of the sub tropical jet. regards > C.H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clyve herbert > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:43 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. > > > > Hi Phil. > > Nice tropical storm spinning up at about 17 north and 140 east today, > still > > north of the sub trop jet and displaying good outflow potential aloft > will > > be interesting to see how the sub trop jet interacts with this > singularity > > development. Appears to be moving northwest at the moment. regards > Clyve > > Herbert. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:15:46 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: S. Indian Ocean cyclone? X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Won't hold my breath waiting for that one to spin up. Though sometimes we are surprised by off-season storms in the SIO. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Johnstone To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:58:19 -0500 Subject: aus-wx: S. Indian Ocean cyclone? > Anyone noticed the circulation centre in the Indian ocean: > > https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/jtgio_ir2.jpg > > And the JTWC advisory: > > https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt > > Maybe something going to happen? > > Tom Johnstone > Madison, WI > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fine Day Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:18:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Steven, The NZ warning that came through this morning makes it sound like things could get very interesting over your way - I particularly like the phrase in the warning "the culprits are two separate rainbands....." SEVERE WEATHER WARNING ISSUED BY MetService AT 11:15 am 05-Oct-2001 {MEDIA} HEAVY RAIN EXPECTED ON SATURDAY MetService expects a period of heavy rain to affect the northern and western parts of both islands on Saturday. The culprits are two seperate rainbands, one moving down from the subtropical area north of New Zealand, and a second sweeping in from the Tasman Sea. Heaviest falls are expected about the ranges of Coromandel Peninsula, Bay of Plenty and Nelson, and also on Mt Taranaki where up to 150mm of rain may fall on Saturday. Also, the rainband moving down over the northern half of the North Island is likely to bring a period of heavy rain and blustery northeasterlies to Northland and Auckland, with the heaviest rain about Auckland city tomorrow afternoon. Forecasters expect the rain to ease from the north and west later on Saturday. FOR THE LATEST WEATHER AND FORECAST CHARTS PLEASE GO TO http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/index.asp --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Hi John, The dry high is now moving away. Looks like we could get a good dump of rain here over the weekend. Watch out for storms with hail in canterbury early next week, particularly on the southerly change. Cheers Steven Williams NZ Weather observer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Graeme Williams" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:33:54 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks to everyone who helped out with my query - as a result I've got myself yet another new camera bag which lets me keep the 28-85 on the camera, and the 70-210 alongside. I keep my older manual P30T with 35-200 with me at work, and the newer gear waiting at home. Cheers, Graeme ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 10:01 pm Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question > I have two SLR cameras and exclusively use 35mm - 105mm zooms on both. > > 8 out of 10 weather photos are taken at the 35m end too. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graeme Williams" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 17:20 > Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > > > > Hi, > > > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some > nice > > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Graeme > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tim Grugeon" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:49:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Shannon, Sorry to be so slow in replying. Glad to hear that you liked your day. I thought it was a lot of fun and would like to thank Jimmy for giving the thought for stopping by. I ended up seeing that lightening show of the coast just when I got home. It looked pretty awesome. Cheers, Tim Grugeon Maitland, NSW http://hunterweather.port5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon Symons" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) > Hi All, > > I was with Jimmy and Tim on the chase yesterday and just wanted to share a > few of my thoughts. > > Yesterday was my second ever storm chase, having had my 'maiden chase' > earlier in the year with Jimmy. I guess what id like to share today is not > so much the technical side of what i saw (as I am only just getting used to > it) but a few feelings I felt on the day from a 'newcomers' point of view. > > I had many highlights - most of the time I was simply in awe of what I was > viewing. I am sure Jimmy was concerned about whether or not I was enjoying > myself, due to my lack of talking! The truth is, I could not speak. What I > was viewing simply took my breath away. At the end of the chase, sitting on > the beach at Hallidays Point with Jimmy and Tim, I had great pleasure in > recapping the days events in view of a beautiful roll cloud that I could not > take my eyes off. It was a perfect end to the day but it did not stop there. > Whilst we were driving back home, we were accompanied by a spectacular > lightening show off the coast as we travelled south. > > > Yesterday, for me, was a perfect example of why I love storm chasing. The > day started, and never stopped, with an atmosphere of pure adrenalin, > excitement and anticipation. I viewed and learnt about storm structures that > could not be descibed in a textbook, got to see towns and areas I had never > seen before, met new people, and the whole time knowing that I was sharing > the experience with two people who hold the same passion and interest in the > weather as I do. Thankyou to Jimmy and Tim for a great day!! > > Shannon > > > > > > > >From: Jimmy Deguara > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) > >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:53:56 +1000 > > > >Hi Harold, Matt and all, > > > >Yes. We were onto this storm system. > > > >We were stuck in the eastern Hunter when I noticed the winds were remaining > >W and persisting. I must than the call from Dave and the local update of > >the models only - nothing had developed at that stage that was remarkable. > >However, it was the stuff to the E that had my interest with corkscrew > >behaviour in all updraughts and circular bases. But the storm system was > >not that spectacular at that stage. > > > >So we (Tim Crugeon, Shanon Symmonds and myself) headed towards Karuh and > >then Bulahdelah. It was at Karuh or just beyond that I noticed the storm > >had begun to explode into a severe structure: noting the crisp side anvil > >right above us peeping out amongst the base (Jimmy get your eyes on the > >road). > > > >When we stopped on the side of the road, the storm had quickly begun to > >organise a shelf cloud structure and then quickly the light green tinge > >began to show. I was impressed with the development and organisation. This > >developed supercell characteristics quicker than any other supercell I have > >seen this season. > > > >The storm was quickly moving E-NE (left moving) in my opinion. At > >Bulahdelah, we stopped for more photographs and video and watched the > >precipitation cascades. show hail shafts. This was developing at a rapid > >rate. > > > >Just north of Buladelah, we noted what seemed to me like a clear air region > >with wind suddenly gusting through. There was rotation occurring at a 70 > >degree angle (almost overhead). But it may have been just the scud - but > >the rotation was definitely cyclonic. > > > >So we headed further north to stay ahead noting that we had few road > >options. The rotation continued for several minutes but the road slightly > >veered away from the area of rotation. Again, this had to happen in area > >with very poor road options. Perhaps it would have been better to go to > >Forster but I wanted to remain just ahead. The storm was moving away but > >more were developing on the NW-W end. This system had the potential, and > >probably I suspect was, a cyclic system with new storms developing in pulse > >like a multicellular system but with incredible twisting in the updraught > >and you could see visible rotation in the updraughts. Trained eyes I > >suppose could see it. Well I have to review the footage before I make any > >judgements. > > > >Just south of Nabiac, we watch the storm interact with the NE sea breeze. > >The base started to show back-building behaviour and the bases were quite > >interesting in my opinion. (Some people may be bored watching the footage I > >suppose). > > > >To the W, there was clear skies and less cumulus. The last storm to develop > >still showed supercell structure and was situated right along the dryline. > >To Paul Graham, who was located at that stage near Gloucester, it had a > >cork screw updraught and he felt it looked like an LP supercell. > > > >Well, I suppose it is now time to review videos. An interesting chase. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > >At 03:41 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > > >>Well, > >> > >>The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large > >>reflectivity > >>core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle > >>and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show > >>all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent > >>updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from > >>3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. > >> > >>The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift > >>line > >>with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C > >>around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level > >>cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do > >>with the cell's timing and location. > >> > >>Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught > >>as supercellular, which would not surprise me. > >>I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone > >>on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? > >> > >>Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) > >>Harald > >> > >>-- > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > >>Harald Richter > >>BMRC > >>PO Box 1289K > >>Melbourne VIC 3001 > >>Australia > >>ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > >>fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > >>email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > >>url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >>to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Jimmy Deguara > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > >from > >Schofields, Sydney > >NSW Australia > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: More photos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:53:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all just uploaded more photos see www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ Enjoy!!!! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:13:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John (and others old enough to remember) There was a tornado watch issued for the "South Coast - Curtis and Moreton" area on the day that there was a tornado in Brighton (Bayside Brisbane) area way back when I was in school some 20 years ago. Early 1980's. Sorry in those days I did not keep any records, but as this was a particularly unusual ABC TV forecast it sticks in my memory. Never seen or heard of anything similar since. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. > Hi Jimmy. > > Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued tornado > warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as > the early 1980's. > > John. > > >snip... > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:47:01 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. Certainly was a few cells this afternoon in the target area. Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to speak at some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rgds, Paul. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:34:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This is the South African forecast site: http://www.weathersa.co.za/fcast/national.htm and this one for a wider picture http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/Africa.htm I typed Ghana in the text box and got a map..Ivory Coast is next door, I think.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > Hi all, > > Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. Certainly was > a few cells this afternoon in the target area. > > Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am > heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / > Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to speak at > some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African > storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > Rgds, Paul. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Rain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:21:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don't think it's forecast for here but I have light rain. Of course it's Murphy's law at work again. Water the lawn.......... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: my site. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture that doesnt but i am working on it! Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and add a frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding stuff and anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add links to it. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.84.119.252] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 22:15:24 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 12:15:24.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[698DDDB0:01C14D97] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey, This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed something, but, what actually is the site? Cheers, Michael Olsen >From: "Simon Angell" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: my site. >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture that >doesnt but i am working on it! >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and add a >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding stuff and >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add >links >to it. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 00:44:05 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Tony, Yes I read about the storms you are getting in NSW, Victoria plus Clyve Herbert's fantastic encounterwith a tornado in - 'his back yard' Hopefully with the anticyclone finally retreating away to the east with this current weather situation we may get some weather but probably around in the North Island more so than here in the SI. We need an anticyclone over you buggers in OZ with the warm sunshine coming through a cold SW flow to produce good thunder/hail storms whatever here in Canterbury. It dosen't look like it at the moment but then you never may know! JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Society At 19:50 4/10/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Hello John! > >02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > JG> JohnGaul > JG> NZ Fine Weather Society > >;-) > > JG> PS. for sale > JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed > JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because > JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or > JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! > >Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were >rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in Sydney for >a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the >forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on >a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need >to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) > >We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the >storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) > >Tony, VK3JED > >.. ection = Infection >-- >|Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 >|Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au >| >| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:09:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 13:10:33.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D5A71D0:01C14D9F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald. I am extremely interested in your reply, and I will endeavour to answer (from a visual perspective) your request for further information. At the moment I am still suffering from only what I can describe as retina retention of what I saw(I cant get it out of my mind),I am also continually analysing and trying to remember everything I observed. In respect to the local scale low you mentioned I observed this just south of Cape Otway on the Vic visual satpic for 1230hrs Mel time,it seems this local/meso scale low had moved northeast towards the Geelong area by 1530hrs local time. I feel the presence of this meso feature is a significant aspect of the study I will carry out on the occurrence of this tornado. In regards to the lightning you are correct I detected only two discharges prior to the storm moving over the Leopold area and this was when the system was just southwest of my location (I photographed what I would describe as a small multicell of rather low tops).Another area worthy of investigation is the possible presence of convergence points to the lee of the Otway range in a southwest flow this may have also aided in updraft potential. The tornado became very large between 1815 and 1820 and at times almost seemed wedge like, at this time the tornado had passed onto Corio Bay and effectively became a water spout.I would be keen to receive any ideas and suggestions regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harald Richter To: Aussie Weather Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > Folks: > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km AGL > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the northernmost > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with Clyve's TOR) > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity pattern > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely low-topped > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface trough/wind shift > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and the wind > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture quickly > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up to > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, and > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running into > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW > around 500 hPa. > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 UTC > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt mid-level > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of Leopold > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each other. > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a disconnected > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to Ballarat > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have advected > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary mentioned above. > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination led > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven wrong on > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made this > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic are > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around 1810 LT, > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level of > info available operationally). > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > Harald > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:54:44 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Keith, Reason I couldn't find Ivory Coast is that they have reverted to the French version - Cote D'Ivoire. Seems that conditions will be similar to a Darwin Wet season day - muggy, storms & rain and about 28C. Nice! Good thing I had my yellow fever shots and have my malaria and typhoid tablets! Paul -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Keith Barnett Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:05 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing This is the South African forecast site: http://www.weathersa.co.za/fcast/national.htm and this one for a wider picture http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/Africa.htm I typed Ghana in the text box and got a map..Ivory Coast is next door, I think.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > Hi all, > > Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. Certainly was > a few cells this afternoon in the target area. > > Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am > heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / > Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to speak at > some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African > storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > Rgds, Paul. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:30:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, I've added a couple more images, a scan of the frontpage of the Herald Sun from yesterday afternoon where the tornado took up 50% of the front page!!!, another hodograph & a link to the zip file for HodoTool applet used to create them courtesy of Hank de Wit!! (many thanks Hank) http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_10_01.htm More to come!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:31:45 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I wonder whether you will find any of those blokes in Nigeria that keep sending us all endless e-mails offering to pay us 20% to allow them to deposit 28 million US dollars in our bank accounts! I don't know whether you get 'em in Oz but I must have had a dozen this week here in HK. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:47:01 +0930 Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > Hi all, > > Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. > Certainly was > a few cells this afternoon in the target area. > > Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am > heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / > Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to > speak at > some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African > storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > Rgds, Paul. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:25:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com sorry, i have posted it earlier and forgot to this time. www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Olsen" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > hey, > > This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed something, > but, what actually is the site? > > Cheers, > Michael Olsen > > > > >From: "Simon Angell" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: aus-wx: my site. > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > > > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture that > >doesnt but i am working on it! > >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and add a > >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding stuff and > >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add > >links > >to it. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:41:29 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's still at http://www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ where he has been telling us about it for the last few days. Well done, Simon, I especially like your marvellous background picture - did you take that one? When you get around to adding those links, you might want to link to my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm which will always have info on Aussie cyclones in season as well as the rest of the world. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 22:15:24 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > hey, > > This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed > something, > but, what actually is the site? > > Cheers, > Michael Olsen > > > > >From: "Simon Angell" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: aus-wx: my site. > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > > > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture > that > >doesnt but i am working on it! > >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and > add a > >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding > stuff and > >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add > >links > >to it. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 00:02:07 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow Jane, thanks for this! That Hodograph program is FANTASTIC! I've been looking for something like that for years! (Now all I need is one for Skew-Ts that automatically does LI/CAPE etc and I'm in heaven). For those wondering how to use it...unzip it into a directory (make sure all the contents lie in the same directory, don't move anything out of the older, although the folder can be moved anywhere). Open "HodoTool.html" in your web browser, and you'll get a screen with a hodograph on it. Use the zoom control for 'fine tuning' so to speak, it allows you to zoom in and adjust things on a finer scale (ie, your wind speed and direction). To change the speed/direction use the little nodes on the hodograph and move them around the hodograph to represent the speed/direction (basically the hodograph is a circle (360 degrees) of where the winds could come from, and the further away from the centre the stronger the wind). It'll tell you how strong the wind is at that level by looking at the wind barbs (half barb = 5kn, full barb = 10kn, bold barb = 50kn). By changing the nodes around, you can change the wind speeds/directions to reflect the environment you want to 'simulate' and then get a SRH (Storm Relative Helicity) reading. Essentially a measure of the area under the hodograph (similar to the CAPE theory, ie the more area the higher your value and the better ). Your magic numbers for SRH are: 150: Approx. threshold for supercells 150-299: Shear sufficient for F0/F1 tornadoes 300-449: Shear sufficient for F2/F3 tornadoes 450+: Shear sufficient for F4/F5 tornadoes But I disagree a lot with these numbers, as they're slightly ambigious, but can be handy as a guide to try and work out what a value of SRH means (it depends on so many other factors though so it's not quite as clear cut as that). Anyway - an extremely useful tool! Thanks Jane and the BoM!!! AC Jane ONeill wrote: > > Evening all, > > I've added a couple more images, a scan of the frontpage of the Herald > Sun from yesterday afternoon where the tornado took up 50% of the front > page!!!, another hodograph & a link to the zip file for HodoTool applet > used to create them courtesy of Hank de Wit!! (many thanks Hank) > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_10_01.htm > > More to come!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:38:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, I would think that the BoM could only issue a warning if one was spotted as there are no (little now i guess) Doppler radars to detect rotation?? I wonder if they might start looking at some forecast indicies and warn of possible tornadic events??? Cheers Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. > Hi Jimmy. > > Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued torndao > warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as > the early 1980's. > > John. > > >snip... > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:43:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, I guess the classic description is one in which a storm lats longer than normal, hence it's a superstorm so to speak. This is what we get taught but that is a 60's definition. Now, most people will only refer to a storm as supercelluar if it's exhibits rotation and organisation. It does not need to have severe weather associated with it but, again by the definition of severe now days, this would be rare. Anyway, thats my understanding... Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells > Hi All, > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > > By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there > of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely > hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe > having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. > > Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My > understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell > with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I > read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that > only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. > > Thoughts anyone? > > John. > >snip > > Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell > > At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:47:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald, sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic source of vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet to detmine wind speeds? Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Richter" To: "Aussie Weather" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > Folks: > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km AGL > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the northernmost > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with Clyve's TOR) > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity patte rn > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely low-topped > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface trough/wind shift > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and the wind > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture quickly > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up to > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, and > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running into > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW > around 500 hPa. > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 UTC > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt mid-level > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of Leopold > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each other. > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a disconnected > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to Ballarat > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have advected > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary mentioned above. > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination led > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven wrong on > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made this > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic are > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around 1810 LT, > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level of > info available operationally). > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > Harald > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Co." To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:59:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, I seem to remember Mike Bailey (ABC TV weather in Sydney) mention the possibility of tornadoes once, some years ago, on his evening weather segment. I can't remember exactly what year, but I'm fairly sure he did. Paul G. ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Clarke To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. > John (and others old enough to remember) > > There was a tornado watch issued for the "South Coast - Curtis and Moreton" > area on the day that there was a tornado in Brighton (Bayside Brisbane) area > way back when I was in school some 20 years ago. Early 1980's. > > Sorry in those days I did not keep any records, but as this was a > particularly unusual ABC TV forecast it sticks in my memory. > > Never seen or heard of anything similar since. > > Regards > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Woodbridge" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:56 AM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. > > > > Hi Jimmy. > > > > Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued > tornado > > warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as > > the early 1980's. > > > > John. > > > > >snip... > > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a > warning > > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement > amongst > > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I > would > > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on > this > > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:03:13 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine Day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Steven, Yes it does like it could be wet up in your 'neck of the woods' but unfortunately nothing much down here. The long range does look hopeful for interesting weather say from about the middle of next week but I find that when they forecast or predict intersting weather events in the long -run by the time it comes around, things have 'deteriated' JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Society At 09:35 4/10/01 +0000, you wrote: >Hi John, >The dry high is now moving away. Looks like we could get a good >dump of rain here over the weekend. Watch out for storms with hail >in canterbury early next week, particularly on the southerly change. >Cheers >Steven Williams >NZ Weather observer +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:02:41 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Also here in New Zealand, Phil !!! Good site of yours too, keep up the good work JohnGaul NZTS At 21:31 5/10/01 +0800, you wrote: >I wonder whether you will find any of those blokes in Nigeria that keep >sending us all endless e-mails offering to pay us 20% to allow them to >deposit 28 million US dollars in our bank accounts! >I don't know whether you get 'em in Oz but I must have had a dozen this >week here in HK. > >Phil ><>< >International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk >Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk >Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Paul Mossman" >To: >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:47:01 +0930 >Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > >> >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. >> Certainly was >> a few cells this afternoon in the target area. >> >> Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am >> heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / >> Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to >> speak at >> some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African >> storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! >> >> Thanks in advance for your assistance. >> >> Rgds, Paul. >> ----------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:38:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com And I think in that part of the world generally there are 2 distinct wet seasons as the ITCZ moves back and forth.Anywhere from Ivory Coast to Guinea.Wouldn't mind living in that sort of wet climate..24 to 28 or 30 degrees for a daily minimum to maximum temperature range.(Retirement keeps getting slowly closer for me but I don't think I'll live over there because of the political instability..seems like Seven Hills will have to do...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > Thanks Keith, > > Reason I couldn't find Ivory Coast is that they have reverted to the French > version - Cote D'Ivoire. > > Seems that conditions will be similar to a Darwin Wet season day - muggy, > storms & rain and about 28C. Nice! Good thing I had my yellow fever shots > and have my malaria and typhoid tablets! > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Keith Barnett > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:05 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > This is the South African forecast site: > > http://www.weathersa.co.za/fcast/national.htm > > and this one for a wider picture > http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/Africa.htm > > I typed Ghana in the text box and got a map..Ivory Coast is next door, I > think.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mossman" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:17 PM > Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. Certainly > was > > a few cells this afternoon in the target area. > > > > Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am > > heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / > > Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to speak > at > > some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African > > storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! > > > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > > > Rgds, Paul. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Wind Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:46:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The wind has just swung around from an easterly to a NWerly and is very gusty now averaging around 30 to 40 kmh with a top gust of 46.7kmh and of course raising a lot of dust. Temp also rising rapidly at 19 already. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:35:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 00:37:06.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[06B6B140:01C14DFF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Lyle. Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees and also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed down it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the Sands caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter etc, this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that they heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. From this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto Corio Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyle Pakula To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hi Harald, > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic source of > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet to > detmine wind speeds? > > Cheers, Lyle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harald Richter" > To: "Aussie Weather" > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > Folks: > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km > AGL > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > northernmost > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with > Clyve's TOR) > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity patte > rn > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely > low-topped > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface > trough/wind shift > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and > the wind > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture > quickly > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up > to > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, > and > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running > into > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 > UTC > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > mid-level > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of > Leopold > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each > other. > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a > disconnected > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to > Ballarat > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > advected > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > mentioned above. > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination > led > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven > wrong on > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made > this > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic > are > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around > 1810 LT, > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level > of > > info available operationally). > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > Harald > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > Harald Richter > > BMRC > > PO Box 1289K > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > Australia > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Central Vic Weather Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:46:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 02:47:51.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AC883B0:01C14E11] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Afternoon all,
 
Interesting afternoon in central Victoria today.  Forecast is for showers with the chance of a thunderstorm with hail this afternoon.  Currently a few moderate showers pulsing into the yellow on green on radar are working their way across Melbourne with some nice dark bases and some moderate TCu going up.  The front is out to the west and a few low topped CB's can be seen through the gaps in the cloud out to the west.  Going by this morning's sounding convection will not get above about 400mb (at best) but quite cold air is moving into the middle layers so some moderate low topped CB's with some strongish updrafts are possible this afternoon.  Temperatures are creeping in to the mid-teens across central Victoria and dewpoints are around 8-10C.  Something to keep us interested for the weekend.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: First TC Warning for the Southern Season Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:56:10 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN

A 180 NM RADIUS OF 10.5S6 82.5E5 WITHIN THE NEXT 03 TO 24 HOURS.

AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY ISSUANCE OF NUMBERED TROPICAL

CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME.  WINDS IN THE AREA ARE ESTIMATED

TO BE 25 TO 30 KNOTS. METSAT IMAGERY AT 052030Z0 INDICATES THAT A

CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED NEAR 10.5S6 82.5E5. THE SYSTEM IS

MOVING SOUTHWESTWARD AT 03 KNOTS.

2. REMARKS:

THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 10.5S6 82.5E5 HAS

REMAINED QUASI-STATIONARY, APPROXIMATELY 620 NM EAST-SOUTHEAST OF

DIEGO GARCIA. ANIMATED INFRARED IMAGERY SHOWS AN INCREASE IN THE

DEEP CONVECTION OVER THE PARTIALLY EXPOSED LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION

CENTER (LLCC). RECENT QUIKSCAT DATA REVEALS A DEFINED LLCC. THE

200MB ANALYSIS INDICATES THE REGION IS IN A MODERATE VERTICAL WIND

SHEAR ENVIRONMENT WITH GOOD OUTFLOW ALOFT. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL

PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1000 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE

DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24

HOURS IS NOW GOOD.

3. THIS ALERT WILL BE REISSUED, UPGRADED TO WARNING OR CANCELLED BY

062330Z4.//

 

From: "Nicholas Sykes" To: Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Stroms Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 16:54:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 06:52:30.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[77BB5970:01C14E33] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey people Well I went for my first storm chase with the new car today and with my new digital camera (powershot G2). Went to the south of Fertree Gully and found this nice hill with little trees. A bit of a hike to get to the top (couple of min), but I was rewarded with a fantastic view of the strong storm that moved through the SE subs of Melbourne. This storm produced a couple of lovely anvil crawlers and looked very nice. Couldn't chase for too long because I have to go out tonight. Here are the pics http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_4.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_5.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_6.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_7.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_8.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_9.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_10.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_11.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_12.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_13.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_14.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_15.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_16.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_17.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_18.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_19.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_20.jpg Nick Sykes +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Stroms Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:48:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Great shots Nick, the G2 does a good job with the contrast between the blue sky and the white clouds. Am I right in guessing the hill is near the Wellington Rd & Lysterfield Rd intersection? Regards, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Sykes" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Stroms > Hey people > > Well I went for my first storm chase with the new car today and with my new > digital camera (powershot G2). Went to the south of Fertree Gully and found > this nice hill with little trees. A bit of a hike to get to the top (couple > of min), but I was rewarded with a fantastic view of the strong storm that > moved through the SE subs of Melbourne. This storm produced a couple of > lovely anvil crawlers and looked very nice. Couldn't chase for too long > because I have to go out tonight. > > Here are the pics > > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_4.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_5.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_6.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_7.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_8.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_9.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_10.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_11.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_12.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_13.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_14.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_15.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_16.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_17.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_18.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_19.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_20.jpg > > Nick Sykes > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Windy Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:20:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I got a very strong wind gust here about a half hour ago that didn't give much warning. 70.8kmh from the NW and a big dump of rain (0.2mm grin), with the temp dropping 5 in ten minutes. Wind has backed right off again to average about 15kmh. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 06 Oct 01 00:13:21 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cloud over WA Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Jane! 05 Oct 01 11:02, you wrote to Aus Wx: JO> starting to sound a bit like last weekend & this week? Maybe the JO> Victorian forecast will live up to its "drizzle with occasional JO> tornadoes" description (again)! LOL! Tony, VK3JED -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 05 Oct 01 23:57:49 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upper-level charts request Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Greg! 04 Oct 01 12:52, you wrote to All: GB> Warragul region (about 100k's east of my location), but it was all GB> gareden-variety stuff in the suburbs. Tuesday night was almost fine in the fine weather capital of Melbourne (Niddrie). :-/ Tony, VK3JED .. What?!? This isn't the Files section?!? -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 06 Oct 01 00:09:11 +1000 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Offtopic: WxProfiler Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Paul! 05 Oct 01 13:55, you wrote to All: PM> at Importance: Normal >> For those who downloaded WxProfiler: PM> PM> I keep getting an "error loading data - Unknown reason" error with PM> it... I downloaded it. Looks good. How do you get it to download data off the BoM? I couldn't see a control for that. Also, the Java loading was slow, but I'm about to fix that... with a massive hardware upgrade. :) Tony, VK3JED -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 06 Oct 01 00:06:52 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Zac! 04 Oct 01 20:24, you wrote to All: Z> Was fun aye Tony? Z> Z> Remember nearly getting Zapped in Station St ???????? Hehe, was a great night. We must do it again, or perhaps you can make it down when there's good chasing conditions. :) At least if you start from here, it's 99% chance we're going to _have_ to chase! Almost all storms dodge this area. :-) Tony, VK3JED .. I don't have the time for a hobby. I have a computer. -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 06 Oct 01 00:02:11 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Jimmy! 04 Oct 01 20:37, you wrote to All: JD> If you ever come to Sydney, please do meet up with others as we all JD> try and treat others that come from the list or ASWA as guests. I must JD> have missed it I suppose. And Max, you should have told us:) Well, I make frequent day trips (anyone work in the city want to catch up over lunch?) to Sydney for work reasons, and there is an extended trip (like the one last time I caught up with Max) in the pipeline, when we do some office renovatiuons. Oh, I had Max down here for the afternoon. We spent the time passing radar pictures across Melbourne and between Melbourne and Sydney via radio. :-) I still have the pictures showing a nice storm around Sydney! :-) We were actually seeing how well the Bureau's radar images could be carried by slow scan TV on HF and VHF frequencies. You never know, might be useful. A few nice wx pics made the trip into the ether as well! :) Tony, VK3JED .. ptain Casio." "He's LED, Jim." -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:13:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 09:14:48.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[58DA9890:01C14E47] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the developing low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold and not a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another thunderstorm here at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm in just 8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for ages.... What is at the end of a rainbow? No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was death-defyingly reversing up a public street. Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! aaah, spring!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:02:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: aus-wx: New ASWA website Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This email is to inform you that ASWA has a new website! The web address has not changed (http://www.severeweather.asn.au), but please have a look at it and give your thoughts. There are a plethora of new additions to the site, a weather education, credits, committee, enhanced state groups, merchandise page - not to mention a complete overhaul of the members' section with additional radars, features and usability! Past issues of storm news and a complete listing of your member benefits are further additions to the members' area. State groups and news pages have descriptions of the different states, give up to date ASWA information and reports on past ASWA activities that may be of interest! Further updates will come in the near future, with the implementation of an ASWA forecast area and extensive radar guide and walk-through! As a member, you are now entitled to hold up to five photos in the ASWA photo gallery, and also have links to your personal or company weather related webpages under the links section! We appreciate any feedback that you may have on the website, this includes suggestions, constructive criticism and any problems that may occur! Regards, Michael Bath ASWA Webmaster ============================================================= Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW http://lightningphotography.com/ ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ============================================================= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:12:18 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: Aussie-wx Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Well like Jane, I also took off to the east. I captured some lightning on video, but unfortunately the best lightning I saw I was unable to get it on video. I suppose it's like the one that got away :-) My shots can be seen here: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_06/today.html And Jane's shots are up at: http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm And I love the rainbow and cows shot!!!! On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Jane ONeill wrote: > Evening all, > > Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > ages.... > > What is at the end of a rainbow? > > No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > aaah, spring!! > > Jane Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:29:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bellarine Peninsula & Otway Coast residents (and the rest of us ), Nice low pressure system you have down there rolling across Cape Otway & Lorne atm!!! 500hPa temps of -27C (they're mid winter cold outbreak temps & here it is mid-spring) Check Melbourne 512km radar. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi all. > It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the developing > low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold and not > a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another thunderstorm here > at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm in just > 8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:39:08 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Port Keats gets nothing! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul and all Just looking at the Darwin radar for today showed that nothing happened around Pt Keats....doh! There was a little action just south of Darwin, but nothing of the scale I was expecting. Although, it seemed that Hector fired over the Tiwis. You see anything interesting Paul? Anyway, for those interested, I will be heading to Darwin on the 10th (Wednesday) and coming back to Melbourne on the 19th. I'll be in Darwin for the first and last days, but will be stationed out at Katherine for the other days. So, here's hoping for some storm action during my stay, and thus explains my interest in Darwin's weather ATM. Looks like forecasting storms may be harder than I anticipated. For the record, I'll also be going up in Nov (15-20) and Dec (11-16) but will be at Garden Point on Melville Island getting up close and personal with Hector! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Port Keats gets nothing! Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:36:39 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI Robert, Yep - plenty of action around this morning, and some afternoon junk. Goes to show there are more factors involved then we thought? You should see Hector in November, but I doubt in December. Normally monsoon surge has set in, and he disappears to March. If you are in Darwin, lets catch up? Mobile is 0438024372 Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Robert Goler Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:09 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Port Keats gets nothing! Hi Paul and all Just looking at the Darwin radar for today showed that nothing happened around Pt Keats....doh! There was a little action just south of Darwin, but nothing of the scale I was expecting. Although, it seemed that Hector fired over the Tiwis. You see anything interesting Paul? Anyway, for those interested, I will be heading to Darwin on the 10th (Wednesday) and coming back to Melbourne on the 19th. I'll be in Darwin for the first and last days, but will be stationed out at Katherine for the other days. So, here's hoping for some storm action during my stay, and thus explains my interest in Darwin's weather ATM. Looks like forecasting storms may be harder than I anticipated. For the record, I'll also be going up in Nov (15-20) and Dec (11-16) but will be at Garden Point on Melville Island getting up close and personal with Hector! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:04:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 13:05:47.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D64EE00:01C14E67] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane. All I can say is Geeeezzzz, and congratulations.regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Aussie-wx Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland > Evening all, > > Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > ages.... > > What is at the end of a rainbow? > > No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > aaah, spring!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:21:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 13:23:00.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[055DFC70:01C14E6A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert and all. I had a 'mini' chase to the south of Leopold around 1300, as a maturing multicell drifted off shore near Barwon Heads,initially only showing good low to mid level updrafts, over the space of 5 minutes started to produce an overshoot and then form a not bad looking wall cloud under the rain free base,my video worked fine and I managed to get a few stills as well,the activity down this way over the past 10 days has been nothing short of phenomenal. regards clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Aussie-wx Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:12 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland > > Hi all > > Well like Jane, I also took off to the east. I captured some lightning on > video, but unfortunately the best lightning I saw I was unable to get it > on video. I suppose it's like the one that got away :-) > My shots can be seen here: > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_06/today.html > > And Jane's shots are up at: > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm > > And I love the rainbow and cows shot!!!! > > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Jane ONeill wrote: > > > Evening all, > > > > Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > > Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > > discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > > Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > > ages.... > > > > What is at the end of a rainbow? > > > > No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > > it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > > this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > > death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > > > Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > > 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > > horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > > > aaah, spring!! > > > > Jane > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:15:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 13:16:26.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A525320:01C14E69] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Yep just spotted the vorticity location at 2300 to be just off Lorne and moving east, I was a bit puzzled by the 1600 synoptic showing the low near to the north of Tasmania,when at that time it seems to be just south of Mt Gambier?.Should be some action on Sunday too. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. > Hi Bellarine Peninsula & Otway Coast residents (and the rest of us ), > > Nice low pressure system you have down there rolling across Cape Otway & > Lorne atm!!! 500hPa temps of -27C (they're mid winter cold outbreak > temps & here it is mid-spring) > > Check Melbourne 512km radar. > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > Hi all. > > It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the > developing > > low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold > and not > > a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another > thunderstorm here > > at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm > in just > > 8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve > H. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:52:18 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Morning glory wave clouds off California Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Me again (ohh, not again!) This was sent to me last week. It is an animated satellite image showing the development and propagation of morning glory type wave clouds off the coast of California. The sequence of images is from Sep 30 ~10am local time to 5pm local time (California local time). Make sure Java is on before you run this, as it is pretty boring otherwise :) http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/misc/010930/010930_vis_anim.html Also seen in the first few frames of the image (below centre) are von Karman vortices in the wake of the small island just off the coast in the stratocu. A general description on how the morning glory waves form is that first of all you need a stable layer at the surface (ie temperature increases with height, ie a temperature inversion). SSTs off the California coast are relatively cold and with the easterly wind (as determined by the movement of the cloud over land; see still image at bottom of webpage), warm air from over the land would be advected over the water, and so would increase the stability of the air close to the water. Looking at the 21:00UT image seems to show the development of a weak NW-SE line of Cbs or large Cjs, which seem to increase in size to the SE (ie possibly their anvils are present). Cbs produce rain and downdrafts (even Cjs produce moderate downdrafts), and this downward motion would provide an impulse or kick to vertically displace downward a part of the stable layer. Due to it's stability the stable layer will want to expand upward to it's original position, and so like a spring which is compressed, will expand back until it goes beyond it's equilibrium point, and then will be stretched until it starts to contract and again goes past its equilibrium position....etc, thus creating a series of up and down motions, ie waves. So, when a parcel of air is raised vertically to the point where it cools and condensation will occur, cloud will form, and so the crests of the waves will be marked by the cloud bands. The gaps in the clouds are where downward motion is occuring, and so the air is warming and the cloud is evaporating., Also the fact that the clouds are semi-circular and expand away from a point indicates that there was only a small region of initial impulse, ie perhaps only one significant downdraft. Anyway, I thought that this may be interesting. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.29.156.4] From: "T Middleton" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - West and South west Gippsland Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:20:32 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 14:20:33.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F233B50:01C14E72] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all, Yes today saw some more storms through south and west Gippsland.I myself tracked a great line of storms through the NW end of the Strzelecki ranges (yes windy and one can get lost very easily without knowing the roads/region)as this is where the most severe part of the storm/line of storms appeared it would track.I witnessed lots of CG's, hail on many occasions (partly white paddocks and hail covered roads at times),lots of thunder and some biting winds.The gustfront on this storm was great and had lots of scud movement :). On returning back to the coast i discovered that i had missed out on one of the most photogenic shelf clouds in quite some time as the western end of this line of storms really got going *grrr..D'oh.. :< * .friends have explained to me that it looked a little similar to this excellent one photographed by Ben Quinn in Brisbane only darker,straighter and also stretching out over the ocean!! http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/061100_09.shtml (i had my mate looking at pics to show me what it best resembled)- just to torture myself on something i had missed.. hehee anyway it was still a fun arvo and here's hoping for more action tomorrow :) kind regards Tony Middleton http://bigmax.yi.org/users/anvils >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "Aussie-wx" >Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 +1000 > >Evening all, > >Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. >Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I >discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of >Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for >ages.... > >What is at the end of a rainbow? > >No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - >it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of >this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was >death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > >Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by >10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown >horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > >aaah, spring!! > >Jane > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 02:16:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Site is now 100% up and running. (links and all that, still working on the report and links page) 3 new features from today; 1. it is now in frame format, with a "quick link" frame on the right 2. The opening page has a new title picture, tell me what you think of it. i thinks it pretty good for stuffing around, i espcially like the way the background comes through even though it an actual part of the picture (download it and see!!!) 3. on the page titled "creek" there is now a photo of the normal flow of the creek and the after effect of a 20 minute downpour!!!( down the bottom) Also i am still waiting on permission to add a link to anyones site, ATM i have Phil Smiths Ok to do so and i would greatly appreciate your OK. Pls email me and your site address Hope you all find my site decent, i think its good for only 5 days work (and only 2 of those days i could put my full attention to it!) Cheers Simon Angell Canberra ACT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > sorry, i have posted it earlier and forgot to this time. > > www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Olsen" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > > > > hey, > > > > This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed > something, > > but, what actually is the site? > > > > Cheers, > > Michael Olsen > > > > > > > > >From: "Simon Angell" > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >To: > > >Subject: aus-wx: my site. > > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > > > > > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture > that > > >doesnt but i am working on it! > > >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and add a > > >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding stuff > and > > >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add > > >links > > >to it. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sat Pics Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:08:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 23:09:43.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBEC41E0:01C14EBB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Morning all,
 
Just curious if anyone can tell me what the interesting cloud/thing is in the Illawarra (??) region of NSW on the sat pics this morning...given the curent situation I'd have to say it looks like a bushfire....
 
Any thoughts...
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "The Weather Co." To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sat Pics Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:23:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Macca That "thing" was the most awesome set of cloud waves/streets that I have seen in a very long time. From about 7:55am to 8:25am they passed over Sydney at a fair clip. Really well defined waves with jet streaks through them as well. Very strong middle level westerlies and topography to blame I would think combined with quite a stable atmosphere. Guess who didn't have their video :< We tried to get some footage of it here to use on the channel but the cable wasn't long enough to reach the window lol Anyway, a nice start to the morning. It is getting light here now at 4:30am...oh dear. Matt ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: aus-wx: Sat Pics Morning all, Just curious if anyone can tell me what the interesting cloud/thing is in the Illawarra (??) region of NSW on the sat pics this morning...given the curent situation I'd have to say it looks like a bushfire.... Any thoughts... Regards, Andrew McDonald +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: What a shocker Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:41:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What a shocker of a day. Misty rain and windy. Wind-chill here at present of exactly zero. What month is this? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:34:48 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Hi Bellarine Peninsula & Otway Coast residents (and the rest of us ), > >Nice low pressure system you have down there rolling across Cape Otway & >Lorne atm!!! 500hPa temps of -27C (they're mid winter cold outbreak >temps & here it is mid-spring) > >Check Melbourne 512km radar. > >Jane You are right about the air Jane. It's been seriously cold and very windy in Adelaide for the last 24 hours as well! A few fairly high based cold anvils yesterday, just drizzly low topped stuff today, but still windy and only 10 degrees at 9.00am. Another 5mm of rain overnight and Adelaide has now had something like 100mm over its annual rainfall by the end of the first week in October! Certainly there are a large number of 9 and 10 deciles in the SA rain records at the moment, and some all time records as well.... Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Anthony Spierings" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: What a shocker Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 11:38:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie, Why, the month is Summer :) In Brisbane it is (11:15 AM) 31.0C, 24% Rel Hum. Not a cloud in the sky! At least you have had some rain. It is costing a small fortune in water to keep the garden half alive (or water in the tanks). Regards, Anthony Spierings +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 11:30:49 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Falling: Taralga Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, 11:26AM For the second time this week, sleet is falling in Taralga. It's currently 6 degrees. There's more very nice glaciated clouds just to the SW with showers indicated on radar underneath them. Also for the second time this week I think the BoM's forecast bears no relation to what is really happening. Cool to mild??? I wonder if any of this will get to Bathurst this arvo... Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 11:42:08 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Snow/Hail Reported: Bathurst Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hail has been reported on top of Mt Panorama and snow 20 mins away - no doubt in the high ground to the SW. I would be a little (but not greatly) surprised if the latter were entirely true. Sleet may well be falling though as is the case in Taralga. These reports are from the TV coverage! Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 12:02:21 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: SNOW!!! Taralga Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 11:58AM It's snowing here in Taralga! The temp has plumeted to 2 degrees and there have been plenty of big white flakes in amongst the sleet! This means reports of snow near Bathurst are true - Oberon by looks of the radar will be having a good old fall of it. It makes me fume that a mug like me picked the possibility of this earlier in the week (see my posts from Friday) and until midday today the BoM had "cool to mild" as the forecast! What's the deal with that??? Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: Wintry hail shower at Blackheath NSW; snow at Orange? Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:26:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just had a 10 minute shower of small (~1-2mm) hail at Blackheath, with all the precipitation frozen. Hardly enough to register in the gauge, but the interesting thing was the temperature which remained around 7.5 in my screen. At Mt Boyce it dropped to 5.7 just before 1pm with a dew point of -1.6, so I think the low DPs are helping frozen precip reach the ground. The Oberon observer reported light overnight snow. Radar is showing light showers moving across the Taralga to Oberon area, and the 1pm Orange temp had dropped to 3.2 with 0.2mm in the gauge, so the colder air seems to be going farther north than the Bureau expected. Thredbo Crackenback's 1pm temp was -3.2, and there was 5cm snow cover at the Village weather station at 9am. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Thunderstorms in Victoria... Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:47:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >From: "clyve herbert" >Subject: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. > >Hi all. >It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the >developing >low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold and >not >a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another thunderstorm >here >at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm in >just >8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve Geez Clyve... half your luck. We had a terrific hail squall with the frontal passage yesterday afternoon (just small but thick and moving "horizontal") but no thunder. Looking at the current batch of progs, you should have a reasonable chance of a thunderstorm on Wedneday or Thursday, with a significant low expected to develop as the moist unstable air over the centre of the continents starts to interact with an amplifying cold trough in the bight. BTW people... you might be interested to know that I have just shifted from Box Hill (middle Melbourne suburbs) to a house at 400 metres elevations on the south-side of the Dandenong Ranges at Ferny Creek (a kinda town, ~32km east of GPO) - this partly explains my absence from the list.... The house site sits 150 metres vertically and ~1 kilometre horizontally from the Dunns Hill AWS avaliable on the bom website. For the true nutters... the estimated mean rainfall is about 1400mm a year, with (approx) 2 snow days a year.. which goes a long way towards explaining the alpine ash and ~30 foot tree ferns in the backyard. The site should make a great vantage point for viewing cold outbreaks... I'll keep you all posted. Anyway, back to unpacking. Cheers, David Jones d.jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:53:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There was a short shower of mixed small (~1 to 2mm) hail and snow flakes (~7mm) here just after 2pm. The temperature in my screen at the time was 6.1, though Mt Boyce at 2pm was 4.6 with DP of -0.2. The Katoomba observer reported past snow at their 3pm observation. The Oberon observer reported "snow has fallen throughout day and settled at times" with 9 to 3 precip of 0.6mm, a 3pm temp of 4.3 (DP -1.3) and a max of 5, 12 below normal. I can't recall seeing snow *flakes* fall at a higher temperature. I checked the thermometer as I watched the flakes fall and am certain as to both the temperature reading and the fact that they were unmelted snowflakes. My thermometers are standard Bureau pattern Dobbie Brothers mercury in glass accurate to 0.1 degree, and the Bureau-standard Stevenson screen exposure, while more sheltered than Mt Boyce (which is 60m higher and on a cliff top), is reasonable given that there was a 20 knot wind at the time. I suspect the real temperature may have been a little lower, however, with latency in the mercury-in-glass thermometer making it slow to respond to a fairly transient temperature change in a brief downdraft accompanying the snow. At Orange Airport, the AWS temperature has yoyoed during the afternoon as downdrafts have swept by: 6.3 noon 4.2 12.18pm 7.2 12.42 3.2 13.00 5.8 14.00 7.5 15.00 It reported 0.6mm between 12.42 and 14.00. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 16:02:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all !
 
You may all be freezing down south, but I can report that it is very warm (if not hot!) up here in SE QLD. It's 4pm and I reckon about 30 degrees plus in Bayside Brisbane. A hot westerly change has gusted through in the past hour, not reducing the temperature, but increasing it.
 
Not particularly unusual to have westerly wind changes do this at this time of the year, but I will say I am looking forward to that forecast rain later in the week. It is very very dry !
 
 
Regards
Simon
From: "Met Support 3" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 16:13:22 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Laurier, I recall the time it snowed in Sydney back in 1986. Don White wrote in a previous e-mail that it was really soft hail as it was too warm for true snow. The media reported it as snow. Anyway, I recall seeing flakes falling, they are very distinctive (the way they were falling, they were definitely snow flakes, I am sure). The temperature at the time must have been around 6 degrees. Paul G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains > There was a short shower of mixed small (~1 to 2mm) hail and snow flakes > (~7mm) here just after 2pm. The temperature in my screen at the time was > 6.1, though Mt Boyce at 2pm was 4.6 with DP of -0.2. The Katoomba observer > reported past snow at their 3pm observation. The Oberon observer reported > "snow has fallen throughout day and settled at times" with 9 to 3 precip of > 0.6mm, a 3pm temp of 4.3 (DP -1.3) and a max of 5, 12 below normal. > > I can't recall seeing snow *flakes* fall at a higher temperature. I checked > the thermometer as I watched the flakes fall and am certain as to both the > temperature reading and the fact that they were unmelted snowflakes. My > thermometers are standard Bureau pattern Dobbie Brothers mercury in glass > accurate to 0.1 degree, and the Bureau-standard Stevenson screen exposure, > while more sheltered than Mt Boyce (which is 60m higher and on a cliff top), > is reasonable given that there was a 20 knot wind at the time. I suspect the > real temperature may have been a little lower, however, with latency in the > mercury-in-glass thermometer making it slow to respond to a fairly transient > temperature change in a brief downdraft accompanying the snow. At Orange > Airport, the AWS temperature has yoyoed during the afternoon as downdrafts > have swept by: > > 6.3 noon > 4.2 12.18pm > 7.2 12.42 > 3.2 13.00 > 5.8 14.00 > 7.5 15.00 > > It reported 0.6mm between 12.42 and 14.00. > > Laurier > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Falling: Taralga Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:09:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It did :-) Made for some very interesting racing. Sunny on some parts of the circuit yet hail on other parts causing a few smashes. Must be hard on the pit crews to decide whether to use wet tyres or dry's. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Falling: Taralga > Hi all, > > 11:26AM > > For the second time this week, sleet is falling in Taralga. It's > currently 6 degrees. > > There's more very nice glaciated clouds just to the SW with showers > indicated on radar underneath them. Also for the second time this week I > think the BoM's forecast bears no relation to what is really happening. > Cool to mild??? > > I wonder if any of this will get to Bathurst this arvo... > > Andrew. > > -- > > Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around > at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. > > Andrew Miskelly > amiskelly at ozemail.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:05:45 +1000 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst Action - Weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI all. Yes what a day it was in Bathurst, all 4 seasons in one day.. I sat and watched race all day and listened to radio scanner with all the action. While Mt panorama had their special little clouds and rain. At my place their was nothing, it was sunshine. Im 5 min walk from track. Just to change topic for a second.. Before race this morning, there was a major incident that involved a member of the public who had a tractor and was trying to drive onto race track and cause a major disturbance to IMG. 2 race officials had to forcefully remove the guy from tractor advised by Race Control director.. 2 people were injured during this scuffle, no mention of this has been mentioned anywhere.. Im sure TV and media crews will publish it.. Luckily person was restrained before race start.. Sorry for OFF TOPIC there !! Hope you all enjoyed the Bx weather, which seems to happen each race year.. ANTI MT PANORAMA CLOUD.. Dave Bathurst Mt Panorama Frequency Page http://www.hotkey.net.au/~davidkc/ Bussie wrote: > > It did :-) Made for some very interesting racing. Sunny on some parts of the > circuit yet hail on other parts causing a few smashes. Must be hard on the > pit crews to decide whether to use wet tyres or dry's. > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Miskelly" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:30 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Falling: Taralga > > > Hi all, > > > > 11:26AM > > > > For the second time this week, sleet is falling in Taralga. It's > > currently 6 degrees. > > > > There's more very nice glaciated clouds just to the SW with showers > > indicated on radar underneath them. Also for the second time this week I > > think the BoM's forecast bears no relation to what is really happening. > > Cool to mild??? > > > > I wonder if any of this will get to Bathurst this arvo... > > > > Andrew. > > > > -- > > > > Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around > > at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. > > > > Andrew Miskelly > > amiskelly at ozemail.com.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:06:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Funny afternoon in the Illawarra with several weak virga showers along the ranges. These showed a visible snow line at a little over 2000m in my estimate. Yet a the surface we had people enjoying a swim at the beach, and when the NE seabreeze gave way late in the afternoon to a NW wind the temperature made around 23-24C. Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:38:21 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Thunderstorms in Victoria... Off topic ;-) From: David Simpson To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On 7/10/01 15:47, "David Jones" wrote: > Box Hill (middle Melbourne suburbs) to a house at 400 metres elevations on > the south-side of the Dandenong Ranges at Ferny Creek (a kinda town, ~32km > east of GPO) - this partly explains my absence from the list.... The house > site sits 150 metres vertically and ~1 kilometre horizontally from the Dunns > Hill AWS avaliable on the bom website. For the true nutters... the estimated > mean rainfall is about 1400mm a year, with (approx) 2 snow days a year.. > which goes a long way towards explaining the alpine ash and ~30 foot tree > ferns in the backyard. The site should make a great vantage point for > viewing cold outbreaks... And perhaps why you moved there...... (quietly turns as green a a tree fern thinking about all the Dunns Hill ob's read ... Hope you have a good heater) Davo +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropical Plume. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 02:34:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2001 16:35:31.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[14BA1F70:01C14F4E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all night owls. The tropical moisture plume that has sporadically been dropping out of the very persistent area of moisture west and south west of Indonesia over the past few months is on the move again, this time dragged southward along a strengthening sub tropical jet and deepening long wave trough west of WA, seems to be heading for the southwest of that state, also another wave of cold air pushing towards the Aus Bight region looks very interesting for the Australian region over the next few days.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 08:21:07 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul.. I think that you were where I was in 1986 and if you were there were no big flakes - temp of 6-7 yes but vertical profile would have been quite different to today. Cheers, Don W Met Support 3 wrote: > > Hi Laurier, > I recall the time it snowed in Sydney back in 1986. Don > White wrote in a previous e-mail that it was really soft hail as it was too > warm for true snow. The media reported it as snow. Anyway, I recall seeing > flakes falling, they are very distinctive (the way they were falling, they > were definitely snow flakes, I am sure). The temperature at the time must > have been around 6 degrees. > Paul G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurier Williams" > To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:53 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains > > > There was a short shower of mixed small (~1 to 2mm) hail and snow flakes > > (~7mm) here just after 2pm. The temperature in my screen at the time was > > 6.1, though Mt Boyce at 2pm was 4.6 with DP of -0.2. The Katoomba observer > > reported past snow at their 3pm observation. The Oberon observer reported > > "snow has fallen throughout day and settled at times" with 9 to 3 precip > of > > 0.6mm, a 3pm temp of 4.3 (DP -1.3) and a max of 5, 12 below normal. > > > > I can't recall seeing snow *flakes* fall at a higher temperature. I > checked > > the thermometer as I watched the flakes fall and am certain as to both the > > temperature reading and the fact that they were unmelted snowflakes. My > > thermometers are standard Bureau pattern Dobbie Brothers mercury in glass > > accurate to 0.1 degree, and the Bureau-standard Stevenson screen exposure, > > while more sheltered than Mt Boyce (which is 60m higher and on a cliff > top), > > is reasonable given that there was a 20 knot wind at the time. I suspect > the > > real temperature may have been a little lower, however, with latency in > the > > mercury-in-glass thermometer making it slow to respond to a fairly > transient > > temperature change in a brief downdraft accompanying the snow. At Orange > > Airport, the AWS temperature has yoyoed during the afternoon as downdrafts > > have swept by: > > > > 6.3 noon > > 4.2 12.18pm > > 7.2 12.42 > > 3.2 13.00 > > 5.8 14.00 > > 7.5 15.00 > > > > It reported 0.6mm between 12.42 and 14.00. > > > > Laurier > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: October 2nd Pics Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:23:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2001 23:25:28.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[59500440:01C14F87] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Morning all,
 
I took some captures of that "twisting" updraft tot he east of Melbourne on Tuesday last week and Jane has kindly put them up for me on the following page at MSC:
 
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/02_10_01.htm
 
The first 5 captures at the top are from an earlier cell.  The first of the next six captures was an updraft on the persistent (but relatively weak) multicell which was situated over the outer western suburbs.  The remaining 5 captures are the "twisting" updraft. 
 
Below my captures are some other photos from that day by Jane O'Neill and Ross Buscall.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 09:50:51 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all... I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are bound. So, it is either give them away or chuck them Is anyone interested? Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might be interested. If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! Thanks Don White e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:16:16 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don I would certainly be interested. They would be a great addition to our library. Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Don White Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 9:51 AM To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Hi all... I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are bound. So, it is either give them away or chuck them Is anyone interested? Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might be interested. If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! Thanks Don White e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:28:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don, don't even consider throwing them out!!!! They should become part of the ASWA Archive. I'll be in line for them unless someone else grabs them first. Jane ONeill Hi all... I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are bound. So, it is either give them away or chuck them Is anyone interested? Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might be interested. If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! Thanks Don White e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:27:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > There was a short shower of mixed small (~1 to 2mm) hail and snow flakes > > > (~7mm) here just after 2pm. The temperature in my screen at the time was > > > 6.1, though Mt Boyce at 2pm was 4.6 with DP of -0.2. The Katoomba observer > > > reported past snow at their 3pm observation. The Oberon observer reported > > > "snow has fallen throughout day and settled at times" with 9 to 3 precip > > of > > > 0.6mm, a 3pm temp of 4.3 (DP -1.3) and a max of 5, 12 below normal. > > > > > > I can't recall seeing snow *flakes* fall at a higher temperature. I > > checked > > > the thermometer as I watched the flakes fall and am certain as to both the > > > temperature reading and the fact that they were unmelted snowflakes. My > > > thermometers are standard Bureau pattern Dobbie Brothers mercury in glass > > > accurate to 0.1 degree, and the Bureau-standard Stevenson screen exposure, > > > while more sheltered than Mt Boyce (which is 60m higher and on a cliff > > top), > > > is reasonable given that there was a 20 knot wind at the time. I suspect > > the > > > real temperature may have been a little lower, however, with latency in > > the > > > mercury-in-glass thermometer making it slow to respond to a fairly > > transient > > > temperature change in a brief downdraft accompanying the snow. At Orange > > > Airport, the AWS temperature has yoyoed during the afternoon as downdrafts > > > have swept by: > > > > > > 6.3 noon > > > 4.2 12.18pm > > > 7.2 12.42 > > > 3.2 13.00 > > > 5.8 14.00 > > > 7.5 15.00 > > > > > > It reported 0.6mm between 12.42 and 14.00. > > > > > > Laurier My notes from a bit further south: I was at Badja (~1100m, 35km east of Cooma) yesterday morning. There was no precipitation there and skies were generally sunny, but there was a strong W/SW wind (estimated average 20-25 knots) and it was decidedly chilly, probably mid-single figures; nice when running (it was the weekend of the Australian Orienteering Championships) but pretty chilly before starting and after finishing. On the way back to Melbourne (at about 2 p.m) I saw very light lying snow in sheltered locations at one point on the road from Badja to Nimmitabel - don't have an exact elevation but I'd guess 1100-1200. As others have noted, Thredbo Village (1350m) reported 5cm lying snow at 0900 yesterday, and there must have been some reasonably substantial snow at Kiandra because one of our team members got an SMS reporting a snowball fight between the WA and SA schools teams! (The latter are currently commencing their four-day bus trip home, thanks, or no thanks, to Ansett). Based on these obs I'd say we were near or below the potential snow line at Badja, but missed out because of a lack of moisture. On the way back, it was pretty windy on the Monaro (and driving a minibus in 25-knot crosswinds is not a lot of fun), and there was steady rain east of Bairnsdale in Gippsland, with showers penetrating inland to the Monaro. Rainfall totals I've seen seem to be in the 20-40mm range. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:00:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 01:02:01.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6470FE0:01C14F94] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm not sure but the BoM library might also be interested........ Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Don White To: Aussie Weather Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: aus-wx: American Met Mag. > Hi all... > > I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - > complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are > bound. > > So, it is either give them away or chuck them > Is anyone interested? > Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might > be interested. > If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! > > Thanks > > > Don White > e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: johnstone at psyphw.psych.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 12:14:20 -0500 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Iain T. Johnstone" Subject: aus-wx: TC01S Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Tropical Cyclone in S. Indian Ocean now being reported by JTWC: https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt BOM still calling it a low: http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW10900.txt Tom Madison, WI, USA +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: " Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:16:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael, I didn't see any semblance of a sea breeze where I was - sailing on Botany Bay in around 20-25 kts of west-southwesterly. The cold air Cb's were quite nice though, if anything I thought they were really shallow. Just my thoughts... Craig -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 20:07 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's Funny afternoon in the Illawarra with several weak virga showers along the ranges. These showed a visible snow line at a little over 2000m in my estimate. Yet a the surface we had people enjoying a swim at the beach, and when the NE seabreeze gave way late in the afternoon to a NW wind the temperature made around 23-24C. 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Hi Craig, Michael,

It was quite balmy down in the Illawarra so I wouldn't doubt Michaels obs. Swimming through numerous steins of German beer at the Oktoberfest at Berkeley to begin a bucks weekend was made even harder given the warmth. Sunday was quite the opposite and not being a huge motor-racing fan I must say the most interesting part of the race was watching the hail blowing across the track and then the numerous shots of showers and picking the snow streaks on the Blue Mountains when they panned out.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Arthur [mailto:z2211415 at student.unsw.edu.au]
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 10:17 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with
visible weak cold CB's


Hi Michael,

I didn't see any semblance of a sea breeze where I was - sailing on Botany
Bay in around 20-25 kts of west-southwesterly. The cold air Cb's were quite
nice though, if anything I thought they were really shallow. Just my
thoughts...

Craig

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Thompson
Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 20:07
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible
weak cold CB's


Funny afternoon in the Illawarra with several weak virga showers along the
ranges. These showed a visible snow line at a little over 2000m in my
estimate.

Yet a the surface we had people enjoying a swim at the beach,  and when the
NE seabreeze gave way late in the afternoon to a NW wind the temperature
made around 23-24C.

Michael Thompson
http://ozthunder.com


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From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: info needed Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:55:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all if anyone has lightning tracker, wagga and sydney radar between 3:50pm and 5:30pm on the tuesday 2/10/2001,(or any other useful info) can you pls email them to me at simon at winnet.com.au as i would like them for my webpage. i am still working hard on the site and my efforts right now are with the side buttons, although i do like them, I will however still work on them as to make them "flow" more with the theme of my page. Cheers Simon Angell Canberra ACT www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:39:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Yes,
 
Very warm Sunday at Mt. Crosby, max 32.8C around 1:00am and still above 20C at 10:00pm.  The pool got it's first serious workout of the summer!  But very dry air - so dry that my electronic humidity meter actually read just 1% mid afternoon.  Air is quite a bit cooler today but temps now up around 25C and humidity down to 10% around SEQ (7% at BNE airport) at 11:30am.
 
Curiously at this time last year we were coming towards the end of a 43 day rain free spell, currently on day 37 of this one.
 
John.
>snip
Hi all !
 
You may all be freezing down south, but I can report that it is very warm (if not hot!) up here in SE QLD. It's 4pm and I reckon about 30 degrees plus in Bayside Brisbane. A hot westerly change has gusted through in the past hour, not reducing the temperature, but increasing it.
 
Not particularly unusual to have westerly wind changes do this at this time of the year, but I will say I am looking forward to that forecast rain later in the week. It is very very dry !
 
 
Regards
Simon
X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Spacegirl ." To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 10:39:03 +0800 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Up at Mt Coo-tha yesterday afternoon - I observed some very nice looking altocumulus lenticularis forming west of the mountain and disappearing as they crossed the city. The only clouds in the sky! Hopefully my photos worked! Very hot, dry day though! Seona -----Original Message----- From: "John Woodbridge" Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:39:03 +1000 To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane > Yes, > > Very warm Sunday at Mt. Crosby, max 32.8C around 1:00am and still above 20C > at 10:00pm. The pool got it's first serious workout of the summer! But > very dry air - so dry that my electronic humidity meter actually read just > 1% mid afternoon. Air is quite a bit cooler today but temps now up around > 25C and humidity down to 10% around SEQ (7% at BNE airport) at 11:30am. > > Curiously at this time last year we were coming towards the end of a 43 day > rain free spell, currently on day 37 of this one. > > John. > >snip > > Hi all ! > > You may all be freezing down south, but I can report that it is very warm > (if not hot!) up here in SE QLD. It's 4pm and I reckon about 30 degrees plus > in Bayside Brisbane. A hot westerly change has gusted through in the past > hour, not reducing the temperature, but increasing it. > > Not particularly unusual to have westerly wind changes do this at this > time of the year, but I will say I am looking forward to that forecast rain > later in the week. It is very very dry ! > > > Regards > Simon > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Have you downloaded the latest calling software from Net2Phone? Click here to get it now! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=NH211JK&url=http://commcenter.net2phone.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: American Met Mag. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:49:23 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We should already have a complete set, but I'll check to make sure there are no gaps that this might fill. Blair > I'm not sure but the BoM library might also be interested........ > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don White > To: Aussie Weather > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:50 AM > Subject: aus-wx: American Met Mag. > > > > Hi all... > > > > I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - > > complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are > > bound. > > > > So, it is either give them away or chuck them > > Is anyone interested? > > Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might > > be interested. > > If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Don White > > e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - West and South west Gippsland Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:46:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That sounds like one of my chases Tony - whenever i chase thinking i'll be better off than here at home Redcliffe gets slaughtered December 16 , 1998 - 5cm hail and a spectacular shelf cloud from a northward moving supercell - i was out of town, saw no storm features, got a few drops of rain and drove into 1 (yes ONE) hailstone, which cracked my windscreen July 10, 200 - a good winter chase SW of Brisbane but while sitting at a lookout feeling pretty happy with the day a storm was dropping 8cm hail NW of Redcliffe and eventually a spectacular laminar shelf cloud moved practically right over my house January 17, 2001 - An awesome evening chase but early the next morning i decided to chase a developing storm which was moving NE - i went NW to intercept it, the storm turned E 10 minutes after i walked out the door and dropped tennis ball hail 3km's south of my house (mind you i did get photos of the hail and saw plenty of lightning) I should let the BOM know when i'm going out on a chase - they could prepare the storm warning for Redcliffe in advance :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Middleton" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - West and South west Gippsland > hi all, > Yes today saw some more storms through south and west Gippsland.I myself > tracked a great line of storms through the NW end of the Strzelecki ranges > (yes windy and one can get lost very easily without knowing the > roads/region)as this is where the most severe part of the storm/line of > storms appeared it would track.I witnessed lots of CG's, hail on many > occasions (partly white paddocks and hail covered roads at times),lots of > thunder and some biting winds.The gustfront on this storm was great and had > lots of scud movement :). > On returning back to the coast i discovered that i had missed out on one of > the most photogenic shelf clouds in quite some time as the western end of > this line of storms really got going *grrr..D'oh.. :< * .friends have > explained to me that it looked a little similar to this excellent one > photographed by Ben Quinn in Brisbane only darker,straighter and also > stretching out over the ocean!! > http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/061100_09.shtml > (i had my mate looking at pics to show me what it best resembled)- just to > torture myself on something i had missed.. hehee > anyway it was still a fun arvo and here's hoping for more action tomorrow :) > > kind regards Tony Middleton > http://bigmax.yi.org/users/anvils > > > > > > > >From: "Jane ONeill" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: "Aussie-wx" > >Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland > >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 +1000 > > > >Evening all, > > > >Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > >Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > >discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > >Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > >ages.... > > > >What is at the end of a rainbow? > > > >No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > >it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > >this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > >death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > > >Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > >10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > >horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > > >aaah, spring!! > > > >Jane > > > >-------------------------------- > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > >Melbourne Storm Chasers > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > >ASWA - Victoria > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:32:02 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just looked now and it's coming together really well. Good work. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 02:16:18 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > Hi all. > > Site is now 100% up and running. (links and all that, still working on > the > report and links page) > > 3 new features from today; > 1. it is now in frame format, with a "quick link" frame on the > right > 2. The opening page has a new title picture, tell me what you think > of > it. i thinks it pretty good for stuffing around, i espcially like the > way > the background comes through even though it an actual part of the > picture > (download it and see!!!) > 3. on the page titled "creek" there is now a photo of the normal > flow of > the creek and the after effect of a 20 minute downpour!!!( down the > bottom) > > Also i am still waiting on permission to add a link to anyones site, > ATM i > have Phil Smiths Ok to do so and i would greatly appreciate your OK. > Pls > email me and your site address > > Hope you all find my site decent, i think its good for only 5 days work > (and > only 2 of those days i could put my full attention to it!) > > Cheers > Simon Angell > Canberra ACT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Angell" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > > > > sorry, i have posted it earlier and forgot to this time. > > > > www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Olsen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:15 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > > > > > > > hey, > > > > > > This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed > > something, > > > but, what actually is the site? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Michael Olsen > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Simon Angell" > > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: aus-wx: my site. > > > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > > > > > > > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one > picture > > that > > > >doesnt but i am working on it! > > > >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours > and add > a > > > >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding > stuff > > and > > > >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will > add > > > >links > > > >to it. > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.22.86.227] From: "Dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:40:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 05:39:09.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D76DB20:01C14FBB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks
 
Dave Ellem
Wollongbar
Northern Rivers
NE NSW
From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:16:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
G'day Dave
 
I noticed something simiilar here yesterday.  There were several large fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same area.  It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to produce echo's on radar?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar??

Hi All,
I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks
 
Dave Ellem
Wollongbar
Northern Rivers
NE NSW
X-Originating-IP: [141.132.11.4] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic Weather Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 06:37:25 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 06:37:25.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[B15C7C90:01C14FC3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All Well I had a lovely sunday with lots of cold Air Cbs all over the place around Ballarat, with my chase vehicle back in operation after a lenghty overhaul, I took it for a cruise to Learmonth and Back, incountered many Cells with lots of nice rain curtains and hail shafts, it was great got a few pics with the digi cam so I am currently burning them to a Cd, I prob have oh about 200 odd pics since I brought the darn thing, hehehehe. Looks Like Vic is ready for more spring time weather with another front due here late wednesday night. I'd like to get some info on the big (TDU2001/02?) storm chase ASWA does every summer, I'm thinking of coming along. Cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: "Andrew" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Central Vic Weather >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:46:21 +1000 > >Afternoon all, > >Interesting afternoon in central Victoria today. Forecast is for showers >with the chance of a thunderstorm with hail this afternoon. Currently a >few moderate showers pulsing into the yellow on green on radar are working >their way across Melbourne with some nice dark bases and some moderate TCu >going up. The front is out to the west and a few low topped CB's can be >seen through the gaps in the cloud out to the west. Going by this >morning's sounding convection will not get above about 400mb (at best) but >quite cold air is moving into the middle layers so some moderate low topped >CB's with some strongish updrafts are possible this afternoon. >Temperatures are creeping in to the mid-teens across central Victoria and >dewpoints are around 8-10C. Something to keep us interested for the >weekend. > >Regards, > >Andrew McDonald > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:22:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Dave,Ben and others, I have seen examples of smoke plumes being detected on radar (namely USA NEXRAD systems), even insect swarms along atmospheric boundaries such as seabreeze fronts, gust fronts, etc. NEXRAD systems use S-Band doppler radars AFAIK, similar to the Grafton wavelength (S-Band ~10cm wavelength). I recall reading something by Les Lemon or Don Burgess once how the Oklahoma City radar actually detected the smoke from the bombing a few years ago. A bad example though. :( Also possible is "Anomalous Propagation" (AP) of the radar beam. Sharp gradients in temperatures and humidity (such as those on the boundary of a fire, or even a true 'inversion) could cause the radar beam to 'skip' off the inversion-type setup (especially when the beam is at a low angle, ie. <1degree), and then illuminate the ground. The backscattered power then returns to the radar site along the same path, showing on the screen as a line of echos, usually close to the antenna. I think reflectivity due to smoke particles is more likely though, but hey, I am no radar expert. :) Best Regards, Malcolm Ninnes (Western Sydney) > ---------- > From: Ben Quinn[SMTP:benquinn at optushome.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 16:16 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > G'day Dave >   > I noticed something simiilar here yesterday.  There were several large > fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and > furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from > these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar > was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same > area.  It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any > pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the > shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires > further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer > to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to > produce echo's on radar? >   > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > Hi All, > I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here > (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton > local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and > was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger > in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks >   > Dave Ellem > Wollongbar > Northern Rivers > NE NSW > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:37:15 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Talking about Les lemon - where has he disappeared too? I havnt read one of his informative emails for ages! Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of NinnesM at franklins.com.au Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:52 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Hi Dave,Ben and others, I have seen examples of smoke plumes being detected on radar (namely USA NEXRAD systems), even insect swarms along atmospheric boundaries such as seabreeze fronts, gust fronts, etc. NEXRAD systems use S-Band doppler radars AFAIK, similar to the Grafton wavelength (S-Band ~10cm wavelength). I recall reading something by Les Lemon or Don Burgess once how the Oklahoma City radar actually detected the smoke from the bombing a few years ago. A bad example though. :( Also possible is "Anomalous Propagation" (AP) of the radar beam. Sharp gradients in temperatures and humidity (such as those on the boundary of a fire, or even a true 'inversion) could cause the radar beam to 'skip' off the inversion-type setup (especially when the beam is at a low angle, ie. <1degree), and then illuminate the ground. The backscattered power then returns to the radar site along the same path, showing on the screen as a line of echos, usually close to the antenna. I think reflectivity due to smoke particles is more likely though, but hey, I am no radar expert. :) Best Regards, Malcolm Ninnes (Western Sydney) > ---------- > From: Ben Quinn[SMTP:benquinn at optushome.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 16:16 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > G'day Dave > > I noticed something simiilar here yesterday. There were several large > fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and > furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from > these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar > was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same > area. It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any > pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the > shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires > further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer > to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to > produce echo's on radar? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > Hi All, > I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here > (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton > local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and > was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger > in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks > > Dave Ellem > Wollongbar > Northern Rivers > NE NSW > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: New chase equipment Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:10:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Just got shown this, and thought I'd give you all a look. Remember, it's in US dollars too, but this has to be the ultimate chase video camera http://www.cameraworld.com/cwc/products/product_detail.jsp?P RODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=590323&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=139525&bmUID =1002525541770 PaulY Paul Yole Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA Editor - ASWA Online Newsletter Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA Cell # - +61 418 369 256 Home# - +61 35 385 2699 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:49:26 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chase equipment Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Paul Yole wrote: > Hey all, > > Just got shown this, and thought I'd give you all a look. > Remember, it's in US dollars too, but this has to be the > ultimate chase video camera > > http://www.cameraworld.com/cwc/products/product_detail.jsp?P > RODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=590323&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=139525&bmUID > =1002525541770 Gees, at that price I'd expect it to be able to drive my car AND navigate its way to the storms as well!! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:44:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Craig I was referring too Saturday. I sent the message on Saturday, but it did not reach the list until Sunday, therefore the confusion. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: " Craig Arthur" To: Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 22:16 Subject: RE: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's > Hi Michael, > > I didn't see any semblance of a sea breeze where I was - sailing on Botany > Bay in around 20-25 kts of west-southwesterly. The cold air Cb's were quite > nice though, if anything I thought they were really shallow. Just my > thoughts... > > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 20:07 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible > weak cold CB's > > > Funny afternoon in the Illawarra with several weak virga showers along the > ranges. These showed a visible snow line at a little over 2000m in my > estimate. > > Yet a the surface we had people enjoying a swim at the beach, and when the > NE seabreeze gave way late in the afternoon to a NW wind the temperature > made around 23-24C. > > Michael Thompson > http://ozthunder.com > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:11:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, Les is doing quite a bit of travelling & isn't on the aus-wx list atm - but I have passed this email on to him & I'm sure we'll hear from him shortly. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Talking about Les lemon - where has he disappeared too? I havnt read one of > his informative emails for ages! > > Paul. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of > NinnesM at franklins.com.au > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:52 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > Hi Dave,Ben and others, > > I have seen examples of smoke plumes being detected on radar (namely USA > NEXRAD systems), even insect swarms along atmospheric boundaries such as > seabreeze fronts, gust fronts, etc. NEXRAD systems use S-Band doppler > radars AFAIK, similar to the Grafton wavelength (S-Band ~10cm wavelength). > > I recall reading something by Les Lemon or Don Burgess once how the Oklahoma > City radar actually detected the smoke from the bombing a few years ago. A > bad example though. :( > > Also possible is "Anomalous Propagation" (AP) of the radar beam. Sharp > gradients in temperatures and humidity (such as those on the boundary of a > fire, or even a true 'inversion) could cause the radar beam to 'skip' off > the inversion-type setup (especially when the beam is at a low angle, ie. > <1degree), and then illuminate the ground. The backscattered power then > returns to the radar site along the same path, showing on the screen as a > line of echos, usually close to the antenna. I think reflectivity due to > smoke particles is more likely though, but hey, I am no radar expert. :) > > Best Regards, > Malcolm Ninnes > (Western Sydney) > > > > ---------- > > From: Ben Quinn[SMTP:benquinn at optushome.com.au] > > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 16:16 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > > > G'day Dave > > > > I noticed something simiilar here yesterday. There were several large > > fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and > > furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from > > these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar > > was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same > > area. It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any > > pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the > > shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires > > further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer > > to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to > > produce echo's on radar? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dave > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > > > Hi All, > > I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here > > (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton > > local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and > > was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger > > in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks > > > > Dave Ellem > > Wollongbar > > Northern Rivers > > NE NSW > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p257-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.3] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:29:28 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Latest photos - including Bulahdelah Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello, For those who may be interested particularly in light of recent dicussions, they may want to check out some of the recent photographs - four films developed including the Bulahdelah chase. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20011006.html http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd2001100602.html latter photos dated 2nd an 3rd October were the most recent chases namely Camden and including looking at S Coast storms. 3rd was obviously the Bulahdelah event. Some more photos were still in the camera - namely based on the last two photos - we shall have to wait for those. The photos are meant to supplement discussion on supercells. I have had the photos online for a couple of days but forgotten to remind about the link. Oh well. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:52:31 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Latest photos - including Bulahdelah Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Righteo - I've had enough! While it hasn't been said on here, I've had a variety of NSWelshman whinging about their season. Well, I am now going to declare that this must stop immediately or thou shall suffer the wrath of me!!! :-) These photos are great, so were Michael Thompson's and so have been everyone elses photos from the Sydney area over the past week or two! AC Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hello, > > For those who may be interested particularly in light of recent dicussions, > they may want to check out some of the recent photographs - four films > developed including the Bulahdelah chase. > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20011006.html > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd2001100602.html > latter photos dated 2nd an 3rd October were the most recent chases namely > Camden and including looking at S Coast storms. 3rd was obviously the > Bulahdelah event. > > Some more photos were still in the camera - namely based on the last two > photos - we shall have to wait for those. > > The photos are meant to supplement discussion on supercells. I have had the > photos online for a couple of days but forgotten to remind about the link. > Oh well. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port21.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.85] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:57:59 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane- Fires! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I saw the same lenticular stuff - very nice and it was mving south away from me, so I couldn't get a worthwhile shot. Let me know how you pics turn out! During the night though, a long lenticular cloud like the one at: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/photogallery4.htm (7th photo down the page) ...was across 1/4 or so of the sky - nowhere as long as the one in the pic at above site tho' It had smoke underneath it from fires here, so was not distinct. On the subject of fires - we were struck by an outbreak of many fires here around Elimbah north of Brisbane. Many evacuated from homes last night - fires all around me here, a few kilomtres each way fanned by yesterday's hot westerlies and dry conditions with low humidity. We are suffering real dry up here and there may be more. Fire crews were mopping down fires until well into the night. No major loss of property and no loss of life - lucky this time as we live among the forests here. From what I could see: 3 fires at Elimbah - seems like they were being spawned from flying sparks of original as new outbreaks were in the direction the wind carried smoke. 1 fire/perhaps 2 at Beerburrum (700 hectares of pine forest lost) 1 fire over toward Toorbul/Donnybrook on the coast from here. Here's hoping for real rain soon for much of Australia - I haven't seen it this dry for the 6 or so years I've been here. Regards all, Sel. At 10:39 8/10/01 +0800, you wrote: >Up at Mt Coo-tha yesterday afternoon - I observed some very nice looking altocumulus lenticularis forming west of the mountain and disappearing as they crossed the city. The only clouds in the sky! Hopefully my photos worked! > >Very hot, dry day though! > >Seona >-----Original Message----- >From: "John Woodbridge" >Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:39:03 +1000 >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane > > >> Yes, >> >> Very warm Sunday at Mt. Crosby, max 32.8C around 1:00am and still above 20C >> at 10:00pm. The pool got it's first serious workout of the summer! But >> very dry air - so dry that my electronic humidity meter actually read just >> 1% mid afternoon. Air is quite a bit cooler today but temps now up around >> 25C and humidity down to 10% around SEQ (7% at BNE airport) at 11:30am. >> >> Curiously at this time last year we were coming towards the end of a 43 day >> rain free spell, currently on day 37 of this one. >> >> John. >> >snip >> >> Hi all ! >> >> You may all be freezing down south, but I can report that it is very warm >> (if not hot!) up here in SE QLD. It's 4pm and I reckon about 30 degrees plus >> in Bayside Brisbane. A hot westerly change has gusted through in the past >> hour, not reducing the temperature, but increasing it. >> >> Not particularly unusual to have westerly wind changes do this at this >> time of the year, but I will say I am looking forward to that forecast rain >> later in the week. It is very very dry ! >> >> >> Regards >> Simon >> > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com >http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > >Have you downloaded the latest calling software from Net2Phone? Click here to get it now! >http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=NH211JK&url=http://com mcenter.net2phone.com/ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:20:42 +1000 (AEST) From: Jonty Hall To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC01S Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tom, Its possible to be both at the same time! A tropical depression of insufficient intensity to be named is nevertheless still a Tropical Cyclone and hence is given a number by JTWC. Yes, it is a very hazy area, and of course there are hardly ever any direct observations, but a tropical disturbance is considered to have become a tropical depression (and hence a TC) when it becomes self-sustaining; that is, not dependent on continued environmental forcing to survive. This often occurs with the max wind speeds still below 35 knots. Jonty. On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Iain T. Johnstone wrote: > > > Tropical Cyclone in S. Indian Ocean now being reported by JTWC: > > https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt > > BOM still calling it a low: > > http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW10900.txt > > Tom > Madison, WI, USA > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:31:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com looks like some nice anthropogenic forcing in that last photo ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:27 AM Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland > Evening all, > > Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > ages.... > > What is at the end of a rainbow? > > No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > aaah, spring!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:30:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Clyve, I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for TOR's in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne for, way to go Murphy! Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hello Lyle. > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees and > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed down > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the Sands > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter etc, > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that they > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. From > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto Corio > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. regards > Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lyle Pakula > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic source > of > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet to > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harald Richter" > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 > km > > AGL > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > northernmost > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > patte > > rn > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely > > low-topped > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface > > trough/wind shift > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and > > the wind > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture > > quickly > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up > > to > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, > > and > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running > > into > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 > > UTC > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > mid-level > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in > the > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of > > Leopold > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each > > other. > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a > > disconnected > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to > > Ballarat > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > advected > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on > the > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > combination > > led > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > vorticity > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > Ratio) > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > proven > > wrong on > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made > > this > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > tornadic > > are > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around > > 1810 LT, > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > level > > of > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------- > > > Harald Richter > > > BMRC > > > PO Box 1289K > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > Australia > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tina Jones" To: Subject: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:37:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good Morning Everyone, I have a question for you all. I am currently studying at CSU, applied science. I would like to pick up a weather subject but CSU has none (other than included in Landscape Processes). I only want a subject, not a degree, does anyone have any suggestions??? I had been told Armidale (UNE) & Adelaide by someone. I would like to do it by Distance Education if possible. Any takers??? Thanking you in advance. Tina :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:04:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Seona, Yes I watched the same clouds - at one stage I was in the pool with the sun directly behind one the clouds - beautiful rainbow effects around the perimeter. John -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Spacegirl . Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:39 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Up at Mt Coo-tha yesterday afternoon - I observed some very nice looking altocumulus lenticularis forming west of the mountain and disappearing as they crossed the city. The only clouds in the sky! Hopefully my photos worked! Very hot, dry day though! Seona +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: Rhett Blanch To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:03:55 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Images from 2nd October in Sydney ...and some others Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, I've finally got around to getting some film developed and doing some video caps as well. Video captures from Artarmon NSW looking West on the evening of 2nd October as the storms moved through Sydney. http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/20011002_sydney.htm Images of a storm behind Brisbane from Brisbane airport while waiting for a flight back in April. http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/20010426_brisbane.htm Some sunset photos I took while on a flight from Tamowrth to Sydney late one afternoon some months back. http://www.wilgatree.com/gallery/inland_sunsets.htm Rhett +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:31:54 +1300 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve. How lucky you are to have 'lovely' weather together with the tormado last Tuesday. We are waiting for our 'thunderstorm season' to begin. It's been warm here in Christchurch, interesting yesterday with official readings at the airport reading 25C whereas I was only 19c and my friend down the road only 20C. Lovely spring over here despite the low rainfall totals, come on quite quickly owing to the recent warm temperatures. As the anticyclone to the east of us looses strength and the low off the coast of Tasmania starts heading our way, we may hope for some 'better' weather, or probably not? It has been a bit warmer here for the time of year and if we get some colder air moving over us, there will a better chance of thunderstorms to develop. At the moment there has been no thunder development or by the charts no indication of any thunderstorm development over NZ with the passing trough. Thunderstorm activity has been quite slack here in eastern districts so far this spring! Wednesday , here may have some hope but we will will see what happens. JohnGaul NZTS - more than just thunder At 19:13 6/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the developing >low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold and not >a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another thunderstorm here >at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm in just >8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: ASWA group in the ACT Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:22:39 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 02:22:40.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[44F43DD0:01C15069] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

I'm trying to convene an Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) group in the ACT. Currently ACT members are part of the larger NSW group.  If there are enough people interested in being in the ASWA and meeting in the ACT on a regular or ad hoc basis to talk about weather on a formal or informal basis, then could they drop me a line at 'mskikey at hotmail.com' and let me know what sort of group they might be interested in participating in. This group may also be of interest to people who live in the Southern Tablelands or thereabouts. To find out more details about the ASWA, go the website at: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/

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From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:39:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tina, I have just finished a degree in Applied Mathematics and Physics at UNSW, and I specialised in Oceanography and Atmospheric modelling. This sounds scary, but in the process, I did a few excellent subjects in Meteorology - Introduction to Meteorology and Oceanography and Atmospheric Physics. They are second year subjects (maths and physics respectively) but are designed to introduce students to the field. They don't focus heavily on the mathematics or physics. I did these subjects and they actually got me interested in weather as a possible career. If you would like any more info, let me know and I can put you in contact with the relevant people. Cheers, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Tina Jones To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? > Good Morning Everyone, > > I have a question for you all. > > I am currently studying at CSU, applied science. I would like to pick up a > weather subject but CSU has none (other than included in Landscape > Processes). > > I only want a subject, not a degree, does anyone have any suggestions??? I > had been told Armidale (UNE) & Adelaide by someone. I would like to do it > by Distance Education if possible. > > Any takers??? > > Thanking you in advance. > > Tina :-) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:41:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 02:42:27.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[08955920:01C1506C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Lyle. I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyle Pakula To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hey Clyve, > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for TOR's > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne for, > way to go Murphy! > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hello Lyle. > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees and > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed > down > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the > Sands > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter etc, > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that they > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. > From > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto > Corio > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. regards > > Clyve Herbert. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Lyle Pakula > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > source > > of > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet to > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his > own > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > press. > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > Office, > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > bulletins. > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the > funnel > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > storm: > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 > > km > > > AGL > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > northernmost > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > > patte > > > rn > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely > > > low-topped > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > surface > > > trough/wind shift > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, > and > > > the wind > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > probably > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > moisture > > > quickly > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground > up > > > to > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground > level, > > > and > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > sounding > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > running > > > into > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot > SW > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the > 23 > > > UTC > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along > the > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > > mid-level > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in > > the > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of > > > Leopold > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from > each > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in > a > > > disconnected > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to > > > Ballarat > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > > advected > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on > > the > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > combination > > > led > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated > in > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > vorticity > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > > Ratio) > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > > proven > > > wrong on > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that > made > > > this > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > tornadic > > > are > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > Airport). > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > around > > > 1810 LT, > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > > level > > > of > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------- > > > > Harald Richter > > > > BMRC > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > Australia > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------- > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chase equipment Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:07:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All I can say, sorry for the short message, I Wish. I don't think I would be able to talk my wife out of buying a house to fund a new video camera, had enough trouble convincing her to let me buy the video camera I have and that was 1/40th the price. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: aus-wx: New chase equipment > Hey all, > > Just got shown this, and thought I'd give you all a look. > Remember, it's in US dollars too, but this has to be the > ultimate chase video camera > > http://www.cameraworld.com/cwc/products/product_detail.jsp?P > RODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=590323&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=139525&bmUID > =1002525541770 > > PaulY > > Paul Yole > Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA > Editor - ASWA Online Newsletter > Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA > Cell # - +61 418 369 256 > Home# - +61 35 385 2699 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p438-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.135.184] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:48:10 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve and all, Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. Just serving as a warning. Jimmy Deguara At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Lyle. >I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 >minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I >will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected >points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a >detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on >the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers >site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one >stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) >passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is >that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lyle Pakula >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for >TOR's > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne >for, > > way to go Murphy! > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "clyve herbert" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees >and > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed > > down > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the > > Sands > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter >etc, > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that >they > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. > > From > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto > > Corio > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. >regards > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > source > > > of > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet >to > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his > > own > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > press. > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > Office, > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > bulletins. > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the > > funnel > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in >the > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the >storm > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at >1 > > > km > > > > AGL > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > northernmost > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated >with > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > > > patte > > > > rn > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would >be > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's >extremely > > > > low-topped > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > surface > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, > > and > > > > the wind > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > probably > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > moisture > > > > quickly > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the >ground > > up > > > > to > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground > > level, > > > > and > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > sounding > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > running > > > > into > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 >knot > > SW > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form >the > > 23 > > > > UTC > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along > > the > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > > > mid-level > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds >in > > > the > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW >of > > > > Leopold > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too >shallow > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from > > each > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded >in > > a > > > > disconnected > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong >to > > > > Ballarat > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > > > advected > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture >on > > > the > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > combination > > > > led > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be >accomodated > > in > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > vorticity > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > > > Ratio) > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > > > proven > > > > wrong on > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that > > made > > > > this > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > tornadic > > > > are > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse >rates > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > Airport). > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > around > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > > > level > > > > of > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------- > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > BMRC > > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > > Australia > > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > > url: >http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Day 36 without rain - Brisbane Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:51:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Nothing more than a trace where I live for 36 days. A drought looming. Bushfires flaring.
 
I think drought is probably going to become a very serious weather issue in SE QLD very soon if we don't get substantial widespread spring rains soon.
 
Nothing too optimistic on the horizon though.
 
 
 
Simon
From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:31:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 13:32:19.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1F67060:01C150C6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy. Thank you for the advice, however I have now received the original tape back today by special registered courier( that was my agreement),and all is well. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hi Clyve and all, > > Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I > gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. > Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. > > Just serving as a warning. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi Lyle. > >I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 > >minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I > >will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected > >points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a > >detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on > >the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers > >site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one > >stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) > >passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is > >that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Lyle Pakula > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of > > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: > > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if > > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for > >TOR's > > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne > >for, > > > way to go Murphy! > > > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "clyve herbert" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees > >and > > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed > > > down > > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the > > > Sands > > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter > >etc, > > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that > >they > > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. > > > From > > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto > > > Corio > > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. > >regards > > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > > source > > > > of > > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet > >to > > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his > > > own > > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > > press. > > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > > Office, > > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > > bulletins. > > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the > > > funnel > > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in > >the > > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the > >storm > > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at > >1 > > > > km > > > > > AGL > > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > > northernmost > > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated > >with > > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > > > > patte > > > > > rn > > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would > >be > > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's > >extremely > > > > > low-topped > > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > > surface > > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, > > > and > > > > > the wind > > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > > probably > > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > > moisture > > > > > quickly > > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the > >ground > > > up > > > > > to > > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground > > > level, > > > > > and > > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > > sounding > > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > > running > > > > > into > > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 > >knot > > > SW > > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form > >the > > > 23 > > > > > UTC > > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along > > > the > > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > > > > mid-level > > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds > >in > > > > the > > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW > >of > > > > > Leopold > > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too > >shallow > > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from > > > each > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded > >in > > > a > > > > > disconnected > > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong > >to > > > > > Ballarat > > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > > > > advected > > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture > >on > > > > the > > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > > combination > > > > > led > > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be > >accomodated > > > in > > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > > vorticity > > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > > > > Ratio) > > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > > > > proven > > > > > wrong on > > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that > > > made > > > > > this > > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > > tornadic > > > > > are > > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse > >rates > > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > > Airport). > > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > > around > > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > > > > level > > > > > of > > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------- > > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > > BMRC > > > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > > > Australia > > > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > > > url: > >http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > > your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >your > > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:49:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 13:50:33.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DB77FC0:01C150C9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil and all. Interesting sat pic of the north Pacific this evening showing two low pressure systems near to 37 north, both showing a totally different structural character. A low near to the Gulf of Chihli showing the typical mid lat type structure and a former Typhoon almost on the same lat (37n 160e central north Pacific) and moving rapidly NE still showing the typical signature of a tropical system. Looks like you had a bit of cirrus today. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p438-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.135.184] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:21:48 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve, Excellent stuff but I advise you and anyone never to give original tapes. Go in with them to the station or even so go to a person who can dub to beta digital as a copy of this footage and let them pay of course. In answer to Macca's request I will see what I can do but no promises made on this. I am no professional but from past experiences, some of my tapes are lost in the universe. Thank God I didn't send original tape. Jimmy Deguara At 11:31 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy. >Thank you for the advice, however I have now received the original tape back >today by special registered courier( that was my agreement),and all is well. >regards Clyve Herbert. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:48 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hi Clyve and all, > > > > Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I > > gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. > > Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. > > > > Just serving as a warning. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Lyle. > > >I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 > > >minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I > > >will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected > > >points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing >a > > >detailed report over the next several months and that will be available >on > > >the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm >chasers > > >site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one > > >stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) > > >passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say >is > > >that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Lyle Pakula > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page >of > > > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no >landspout: > > > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res >stuff if > > > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for > > >TOR's > > > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne > > >for, > > > > way to go Murphy! > > > > > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "clyve herbert" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few >trees > > >and > > > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first >toughed > > > > down > > > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to >the > > > > Sands > > > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter > > >etc, > > > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock >was > > > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that > > >they > > > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further >east > > > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing >significant. > > > > From > > > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved >onto > > > > Corio > > > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a >large > > > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. > > >regards > > > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > > > source > > > > > of > > > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis >yet > > >to > > > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into >his > > > > own > > > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > > > press. > > > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > > > Office, > > > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > > > bulletins. > > > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what >the > > > > funnel > > > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base >in > > >the > > > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the >tornado, > > > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the > > >storm > > > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) >centred at > > >1 > > > > > km > > > > > > AGL > > > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > > > northernmost > > > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was >associated > > >with > > > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the >reflectivity > > > > > patte > > > > > > rn > > > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR >would > > >be > > > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's > > >extremely > > > > > > low-topped > > > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any >lower-topped > > > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > > > surface > > > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were >higher, > > > > and > > > > > > the wind > > > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > > > probably > > > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > > > moisture > > > > > > quickly > > > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the > > >ground > > > > up > > > > > > to > > > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at >ground > > > > level, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > > > sounding > > > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > > > running > > > > > > into > > > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has >tightened up > > > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 > > >knot > > > > SW > > > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised >form > > >the > > > > 23 > > > > > > UTC > > > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been >along > > > > the > > > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a >25kt > > > > > > mid-level > > > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level >winds > > >in > > > > > the > > > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and >SW > > >of > > > > > > Leopold > > > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too > > >shallow > > > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. >This > > > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart >from > > > > each > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was >embedded > > >in > > > > a > > > > > > disconnected > > > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to >Geelong > > >to > > > > > > Ballarat > > > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to >have > > > > > > advected > > > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface >boundary > > > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL >moisture > > >on > > > > > the > > > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > > > combination > > > > > > led > > > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be > > >accomodated > > > > in > > > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > > > vorticity > > > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched >it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False >Alarm > > > > > Ratio) > > > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than >being > > > > > proven > > > > > > wrong on > > > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors >that > > > > made > > > > > > this > > > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > > > tornadic > > > > > > are > > > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse > > >rates > > > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > > > Airport). > > > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > > > around > > > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having >this > > > > > level > > > > > > of > > > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > > > BMRC > > 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-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:37:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey Tina, which CSU is that? Cheers, Lyle (Colorado State University) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Jones" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? > Good Morning Everyone, > > I have a question for you all. > > I am currently studying at CSU, applied science. I would like to pick up a > weather subject but CSU has none (other than included in Landscape > Processes). > > I only want a subject, not a degree, does anyone have any suggestions??? I > had been told Armidale (UNE) & Adelaide by someone. I would like to do it > by Distance Education if possible. > > Any takers??? > > Thanking you in advance. > > Tina :-) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:39:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com can't wait to see some nice captures! cheers, lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hi Lyle. > I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 > minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I > will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected > points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a > detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on > the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers > site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one > stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) > passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is > that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lyle Pakula > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for > TOR's > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne > for, > > way to go Murphy! > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "clyve herbert" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees > and > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed > > down > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the > > Sands > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter > etc, > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that > they > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. > > From > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto > > Corio > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. > regards > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > source > > > of > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet > to > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his > > own > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > press. > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > Office, > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > bulletins. > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the > > funnel > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in > the > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the > storm > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at > 1 > > > km > > > > AGL > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > northernmost > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated > with > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > > > patte > > > > rn > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would > be > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's > extremely > > > > low-topped > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > surface > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, > > and > > > > the wind > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > probably > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > moisture > > > > quickly > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the > ground > > up > > > > to > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground > > level, > > > > and > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > sounding > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > running > > > > into > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 > knot > > SW > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form > the > > 23 > > > > UTC > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along > > the > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > > > mid-level > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds > in > > > the > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW > of > > > > Leopold > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too > shallow > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from > > each > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded > in > > a > > > > disconnected > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong > to > > > > Ballarat > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > > > advected > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture > on > > > the > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > combination > > > > led > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be > accomodated > > in > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > vorticity > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > > > Ratio) > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > > > proven > > > > wrong on > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that > > made > > > > this > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > tornadic > > > > are > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse > rates > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > Airport). > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > around > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > > > level > > > > of > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------- > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > BMRC > > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > > Australia > > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > > url: > http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:13:03 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hart Apparently-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls1.std.com [199.172.62.103]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03183 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scan.pnc.com.au (scan.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.123]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA31522 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:49:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200110090949.FAA31522 at TheWorld.com> Received: (qmail 17636 invoked by uid 84); 9 Oct 2001 09:49:59 -0000 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (HELO ?203.91.251.67?) (203.13.174.1) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 09:49:56 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:49:14 +0000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) From: "Intentional Server 1" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, aussie-weather at world.std.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id FAA03216 Hi I'm Brian Wilson ^Ë new to the crew in Syndey and as I work in television and radio I'd suggest rule 21 - NEVER part with the master tapes. Also make sure you cover issues such copyright, credits and pooling. (your grab could be traded with other networks with the source station getting the $ and you getting only a warm feeling when 5 seconds of a week's work is used as overlay vision.) Comments re BOM getting it wrong are so true - our radio station collates data from all sites and combined with local spotters across the mountains the common credo amongst the announcers is "don't read the BOM forecast unless you look out the window first." Any breaking weather issues always welcome on air 0600 to 0900 weekdays Tel 0296231900 or fax to 0296234799 email news at airfm.com.au Brian Wilson ---------- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:48 > > Hi Clyve and all, > > Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I > gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. > Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. > > Just serving as a warning. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi Lyle. >>I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 >>minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I >>will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected >>points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a >>detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on >>the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers >>site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one >>stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) >>passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is >>that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Lyle Pakula >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >> >> >> > Hey Clyve, >> > >> > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of >> > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: >> > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if >> > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for >>TOR's >> > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne >>for, >> > way to go Murphy! >> > >> > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "clyve herbert" >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >> > >> > >> > > Hello Lyle. >> > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees >>and >> > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed >> > down >> > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the >> > Sands >> > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter >>etc, >> > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was >> > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that >>they >> > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east >> > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. >> > From >> > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto >> > Corio >> > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the >> > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this >> > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large >> > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. >>regards >> > > Clyve Herbert. >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: Lyle Pakula >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Harald, >> > > > >> > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic >> > source >> > > of >> > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet >>to >> > > > detmine wind speeds? >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, Lyle >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Harald Richter" >> > > > To: "Aussie Weather" >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM >> > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Folks: >> > > > > >> > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his >> > own >> > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian >> > press. >> > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional >> > Office, >> > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news >> > bulletins. >> > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! >> > > > > >> > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the >> > funnel >> > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in >>the >> > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the >> > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, >> > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript >> > storm: >> > > > > >> > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL >> > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; >> > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL >> > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the >>storm >> > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at >>1 >> > > km >> > > > AGL >> > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL >> > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! >> > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL >> > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the >> > > > northernmost >> > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated >>with >> > > > Clyve's TOR) >> > > > > >> > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: >> > > > > >> > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity >> > > patte >> > > > rn >> > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would >>be >> > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" >> > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's >>extremely >> > > > low-topped >> > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped >> > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a >> > surface >> > > > trough/wind shift >> > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, >> > and >> > > > the wind >> > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm >> > probably >> > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL >> > moisture >> > > > quickly >> > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the >>ground >> > up >> > > > to >> > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground >> > level, >> > > > and >> > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) >> > sounding >> > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat >> > running >> > > > into >> > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up >> > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 >>knot >> > SW >> > > > > around 500 hPa. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form >>the >> > 23 >> > > > UTC >> > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along >> > the >> > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt >> > > > mid-level >> > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds >>in >> > > the >> > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW >>of >> > > > Leopold >> > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too >>shallow >> > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This >> > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from >> > each >> > > > other. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded >>in >> > a >> > > > disconnected >> > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong >>to >> > > > Ballarat >> > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have >> > > > advected >> > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary >> > > > mentioned above. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse >> > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture >>on >> > > the >> > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This >> > > combination >> > > > led >> > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be >>accomodated >> > in >> > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and >> > > vorticity >> > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. >> > > > > >> > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm >> > > Ratio) >> > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being >> > > proven >> > > > wrong on >> > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that >> > made >> > > > this >> > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) >> > > tornadic >> > > > are >> > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse >>rates >> > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne >> > Airport). >> > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area >> > around >> > > > 1810 LT, >> > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this >> > > level >> > > > of >> > > > > info available operationally). >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. >> > > > > Harald >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > ------- >> > > > > Harald Richter >> > > > > BMRC >> > > > > PO Box 1289K >> > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 >> > > > > Australia >> > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >> > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >> > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >> > > > > url: >>http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > ------- >> > > > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >> > > your >> > > > > message. >> > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> > to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >> > your >> > > > message. >> > > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >>to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >>your >> > > message. >> > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > >> > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> > message. >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 05:32:18 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Satpics chopped off. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep. Cirrus was there. The satpics this morning are all chopped off north of about 15degN. Is the US military doing this to hide what they are up to in Afghanistan or what? If they keep that business up, it will be no help to us trying to figure out the weather. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:49:20 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. > Hi Phil and all. > Interesting sat pic of the north Pacific this evening showing two low > pressure systems near to 37 north, both showing a totally different > structural character. A low near to the Gulf of Chihli showing the > typical > mid lat type structure and a former Typhoon almost on the same lat (37n > 160e > central north Pacific) and moving rapidly NE still showing the typical > signature of a tropical system. Looks like you had a bit of cirrus > today. > regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Satpics chopped off. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:52:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Phil, the chopping off of the satpic happened yesterday afternoon here - we lost all of sector-c of JCU which covers most of Australia, Indonesia & all of the Indian Ocean - although..... - now you come to mention it - the timing is rathter interesting as it has never happened before. Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Yep. Cirrus was there. The satpics this morning are all chopped off north of about 15degN. Is the US military doing this to hide what they are up to in Afghanistan or what? If they keep that business up, it will be no help to us trying to figure out the weather. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:49:20 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. > Hi Phil and all. > Interesting sat pic of the north Pacific this evening showing two low > pressure systems near to 37 north, both showing a totally different > structural character. A low near to the Gulf of Chihli showing the > typical > mid lat type structure and a former Typhoon almost on the same lat (37n > 160e > central north Pacific) and moving rapidly NE still showing the typical > signature of a tropical system. Looks like you had a bit of cirrus > today. > regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:15:53 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: Next QLD ASWA Meeting Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just a note to let you know that the next ASWA meeting will take place on Saturday the 20th of October, commencing at 10am at Pixel Components, Sumner. More 'TDU 2000' footage will be shown and there will be an opportunity to watch the AGM 2001 introductory video/purchase a copy again for those who were unable to do so at the last meeting. As well as the usual features of recent storm footage, week in review and a look into the future. Our feature presentation will be from fellow ASWA member John Woodbridge. It will cover three topics: 1. The Stradbroke Island Waterspout - Analysis, why it cocurred 2. Storm 3/7/01 - Things that are not what they seem to be 3. Cold Front 26/8/01 - Video The Stradbroke Island waterspout was an unusual event as the conditions on that day did not seem overly conducive to waterspout development! Other items on the agenda are thoughts on Storm News and the new ASWA website (http://www.severeweather.asn.au) if you haven't seen it! Sure to be an interesting meeting, the details in brief: Date: Saturday, 20th of October Time: 10am Place: "Pixel Components" Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner Presentation: "Stradbroke Island Waterspout Analysis & Other Interesting Weather Phenomena What to bring: $4 for pizza & drinks, photos and videos you might want to share, whatever else you think appropriate. Hope to see you there! If you can come a quick email would be great for numbers, but not essential. -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 From: "David Carroll" Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:36:52 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 10/10/2001 09:36:53 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI All .. Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm Tracker avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also to sat images and BOM radar.. Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Country Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:04:07 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Oklahoma is producing ... Massive tornadic supercell now moving through Caddo County (OK). There has been footage/reports of _large_ tornadoes in Elk City (OK) and Cordell (OK). Check out http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/images/DS.p19r0/SI.ktlx/latest.gif Haraldveryimpressedindeed -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:59:44 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com FANTASTIC !!!!! I love that 100km grid overlay, and it will be easy to pinpoint towns etc whilst out chasing! Matt Smith David Carroll wrote: > HI All .. > > Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm Tracker > avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also to > sat images and BOM radar.. > > Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. > > Dave > > ##################################################################################### > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are > not necessarily the views of Country Energy. > ##################################################################################### > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Day 36 without rain - Brisbane Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:28:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Simon.
 
Day 39 at at Mt Crosby, the last measurable fall being Sep 1.  Now very close to last year's record (well for me anyway) 43 day dry spell at this time.
 
Trees throughout the Western suburbs, particularly Brush Box and Red Ash are now showing signs of severe water stress, and leaf fall rate from Spotted Gum and Ironbark has rapidly accelerated.  The last few days of abnormally dry air has greatly exacerbated the situation.  It is curious how rainforest species planted on grass verges appear to tolerate this condition better than many Eucalypts. 
 
John.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Simon Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:51 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Day 36 without rain - Brisbane

Hi all
 
Nothing more than a trace where I live for 36 days. A drought looming. Bushfires flaring.
 
I think drought is probably going to become a very serious weather issue in SE QLD very soon if we don't get substantial widespread spring rains soon.
 
Nothing too optimistic on the horizon though.
 
 
 
Simon
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:50:40 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey that's a great storm tracking map. Now how about bringing on some storms so I can watch them from here! ATM the tracker is as dead as the Hong Kong one at http://www.weather.org.hk/lightning/ which is currently showing no activity at all. The local one here is very handy as it is located 250 metres from our head office and only a few km from the office I am in today. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "David Carroll" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:36:52 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker > HI All .. > > Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm > Tracker > avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also > to > sat images and BOM radar.. > > Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. > > Dave > > > > > ####################################################################### > ############## > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it > and notify the > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, and are > not necessarily the views of Country Energy. > ####################################################################### > ############## > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:01:17 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Satpics chopped off. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The satpics are back to normal again now, not that they reveal anything to get excited about for us over here. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:52:18 +1000 Subject: RE: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Satpics chopped off. > > Phil, > > the chopping off of the satpic happened yesterday afternoon here - we > lost > all of sector-c of JCU which covers most of Australia, Indonesia & all > of > the Indian Ocean - although..... - now you come to mention it - the > timing > is rathter interesting as it has never happened before. > > Jane > --------------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > --------------------------------------- > > > Yep. Cirrus was there. > The satpics this morning are all chopped off north of about 15degN. Is > the US military doing this to hide what they are up to in Afghanistan > or > what? If they keep that business up, it will be no help to us trying > to > figure out the weather. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:49:20 +1000 > Subject: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. > > > Hi Phil and all. > > Interesting sat pic of the north Pacific this evening showing two low > > pressure systems near to 37 north, both showing a totally different > > structural character. A low near to the Gulf of Chihli showing the > > typical > > mid lat type structure and a former Typhoon almost on the same lat > (37n > > 160e > > central north Pacific) and moving rapidly NE still showing the > typical > > signature of a tropical system. Looks like you had a bit of cirrus > > today. > > regards Clyve Herbert. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:13:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Hey that's a great storm tracking map. Now how about > bringing on some > storms so I can watch them from here! http://www.northpower.com.au/ss/s_tracker.html is the actual page it sits on, for those who like to bookmark. -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Just when I'm getting a grip on something, Fate comes along and jumps on my fingers. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Day 36 without rain - Brisbane Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:13:46 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:28, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as John Woodbridge asserted this: > Hi Simon. > > Day 39 at at Mt Crosby, the last measurable fall being Sep 1. Now very > close to last year's record (well for me anyway) 43 day dry spell at this > time. > > Trees throughout the Western suburbs, particularly Brush Box and Red Ash > are now showing signs of severe water stress, and leaf fall rate from > Spotted Gum and Ironbark has rapidly accelerated. The last few days of > abnormally dry air has greatly exacerbated the situation. It is curious > how rainforest species planted on grass verges appear to tolerate this > condition better than many Eucalypts. I got some rain at Rothwell last night. The ground was quite wet this morning. I also drove through a little bit of a shower near Albany Creek earlier this morning. So it may just be lifting the drought. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p220-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.147.220] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:12:00 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes - good point Matt. Looks great. Can't wait for lightning activity to show on it. Jimmy Deguara At 09:59 AM 10/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >FANTASTIC !!!!! I love that 100km grid overlay, and it will be easy to >pinpoint towns etc >whilst out chasing! > >Matt Smith > >David Carroll wrote: > > > HI All .. > > > > Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm Tracker > > avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also to > > sat images and BOM radar.. > > > > Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. > > > > Dave > > > > > ##################################################################################### > > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > confidential > > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it > and notify the > > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, and are > > not necessarily the views of Country Energy. > > > ##################################################################################### > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:19:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald Some amazing pics available on the net. Here is a couple that the guys on #usweather directed me to. http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=502095 The video on that site is sensational. Obviously the quicker your connection is, the more you will enjoy these videos. THe view from the chopper is worth looking at, as is the link that follows the tornado along the ground. Here is Gary England's NEWS9 stream (9:28secs) http://idirector.media.ibeamglobal.net/real/news001/o9torn1.rm Enjoy :) dann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Richter" To: "Aussie Weather" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK > > Oklahoma is producing ... > > Massive tornadic supercell now moving through Caddo County (OK). > There has been footage/reports of _large_ tornadoes in > Elk City (OK) and Cordell (OK). > > Check out > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/images/DS.p19r0/SI.ktlx/latest.gif > > Haraldveryimpressedindeed > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Day 37 and no rain - Brisbane Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:14:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Just a trace - one or two spots only in Cleveland - (Bayside Brisbane) - looked more promising today for a few coastal showers.
 
The forecast is for a 'little' rain Thursday night and Sunday, looking forward to a forecast that says 'loads' of rain.
 
 
Regards
Simon
From: "Rosalina Champion" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Next QLD ASWA Meeting Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:29:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, Do you have a street name for that meeting? Rosalina > Just a note to let you know that the next ASWA meeting will take place > on Saturday the 20th of October, commencing at 10am at Pixel Components, > Sumner. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:00:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I must admit that I gave a UK company a tape ( copy luckily ) about 2 years, with the promise to return and it never came back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 0:21 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hi Clyve, > > Excellent stuff but I advise you and anyone never to give original tapes. > Go in with them to the station or even so go to a person who can dub to > beta digital as a copy of this footage and let them pay of course. > > In answer to Macca's request I will see what I can do but no promises made > on this. I am no professional but from past experiences, some of my tapes > are lost in the universe. Thank God I didn't send original tape. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 11:31 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi Jimmy. > >Thank you for the advice, however I have now received the original tape back > >today by special registered courier( that was my agreement),and all is well. > >regards Clyve Herbert. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jimmy Deguara > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:48 PM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hi Clyve and all, > > > > > > Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I > > > gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. > > > Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. > > > > > > Just serving as a warning. > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > > >Hi Lyle. > > > >I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 > > > >minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I > > > >will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected > > > >points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing > >a > > > >detailed report over the next several months and that will be available > >on > > > >the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm > >chasers > > > >site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one > > > >stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) > > > >passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say > >is > > > >that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Lyle Pakula > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM > > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > > > > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page > >of > > > > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no > >landspout: > > > > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res > >stuff if > > > > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for > > > >TOR's > > > > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne > > > >for, > > > > > way to go Murphy! > > > > > > > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "clyve herbert" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few > >trees > > > >and > > > > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first > >toughed > > > > > down > > > > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to > >the > > > > > Sands > > > > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter > > > >etc, > > > > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock > >was > > > > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that > > > >they > > > > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further > >east > > > > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing > >significant. > > > > > From > > > > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved > >onto > > > > > Corio > > > > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a > >large > > > > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. > > > >regards > > > > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > > > > source > > > > > > of > > > > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis > >yet > > > >to > > > > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into > >his > > > > > own > > > > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > > > > press. > > > > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > > > > Office, > > > > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > > > > bulletins. > > > > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what > >the > > > > > funnel > > > > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base > >in > > > >the > > > > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the > >tornado, > > > > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > > > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the > > > >storm > > > > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) > >centred at > > > >1 > > > > > > km > > > > > > > AGL > > > > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > > > > northernmost > > > > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was > >associated > > > >with > > > > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the > >reflectivity > > > > > > patte > > > > > > > rn > > > > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR > >would > > > >be > > > > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's > > > >extremely > > > > > > > low-topped > > > > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any > >lower-topped > > > > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > > > > surface > > > > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were > >higher, > > > > > and > > > > > > > the wind > > > > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > > > > moisture > > > > > > > quickly > > > > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the > > > >ground > > > > > up > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at > >ground > > > > > level, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > > > > sounding > > > > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > > > > running > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has > >tightened up > > > > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 > > > >knot > > > > > SW > > > > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised > >form > > > >the > > > > > 23 > > > > > > > UTC > > > > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been > >along > > > > > the > > > > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a > >25kt > > > > > > > mid-level > > > > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level > >winds > > > >in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and > >SW > > > >of > > > > > > > Leopold > > > > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too > > > >shallow > > > > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. > >This > > > > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart > >from > > > > > each > > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was > >embedded > > > >in > > > > > a > > > > > > > disconnected > > > > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to > >Geelong > > > >to > > > > > > > Ballarat > > > > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to > >have > > > > > > > advected > > > > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface > >boundary > > > > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL > >moisture > > > >on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > led > > > > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be > > > >accomodated > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > > > > vorticity > > > > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched > >it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False > >Alarm > > > > > > Ratio) > > > > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than > >being > > > > > > proven > > > > > > > wrong on > > > > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors > >that > > > > > made > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > > > > tornadic > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse > > > >rates > > > > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > > > > Airport). > > > > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > > > > around > > > > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having > >this > > > > > > level > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > > > > BMRC > > > > > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > > > > > Australia > > > > > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > > > > > url: > > > >http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > >body of > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:33:12 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Next QLD ASWA Meeting Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Rosalina, It's in the full details at the bottom of the email :) Place: "Pixel Components" Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner AC Rosalina Champion wrote: > > Hi Anthony, > > Do you have a street name for that meeting? > > Rosalina > > > Just a note to let you know that the next ASWA meeting will take place > > on Saturday the 20th of October, commencing at 10am at Pixel Components, > > Sumner. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p894-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.143.132] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:15:23 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago (not video or picture related, but an interview with a print journalist). The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, not even to take a leak, nothing, period. Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and investigated. My two bobs worth. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:37:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com there was some brilliant footage of the TOR on the news last nite. I'm just a bit peeved that Colorado missed it's secondary max in climatology for SUP's - were already getitng snow showers. cheers, lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Richter" To: "Aussie Weather" Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK > > Oklahoma is producing ... > > Massive tornadic supercell now moving through Caddo County (OK). > There has been footage/reports of _large_ tornadoes in > Elk City (OK) and Cordell (OK). > > Check out > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/images/DS.p19r0/SI.ktlx/latest.gif > > Haraldveryimpressedindeed > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: , "Jane ONeill" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:00:22 +0100 Organization: Chaotic X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Does anyone know what's happened to Les Lemon?? Les (UK) "Alphas work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever." - Brave New World == Les Crossan and Christine Challen, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W les.crossan at virgin.net www.uksevereweather.org.uk Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm === Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system before leaving minerva.domain (www.grisoft.com) engine: 6.0.285 / Virus Database: 151 - Release Date: 5/10/2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dann weatherhead" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK > Hi Harald > Some amazing pics available on the net. > > Here is a couple that the guys on #usweather directed me to. > > http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=502095 > > The video on that site is sensational. Obviously the quicker your connection > is, the more you will enjoy these videos. > THe view from the chopper is worth looking at, as is the link that follows > the tornado along the ground. > > Here is Gary England's NEWS9 stream (9:28secs) > http://idirector.media.ibeamglobal.net/real/news001/o9torn1.rm > > Enjoy :) > > dann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harald Richter" > To: "Aussie Weather" > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:04 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK > > > > > > Oklahoma is producing ... > > > > Massive tornadic supercell now moving through Caddo County (OK). > > There has been footage/reports of _large_ tornadoes in > > Elk City (OK) and Cordell (OK). > > > > Check out > > > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/images/DS.p19r0/SI.ktlx/latest.gif > > > > Haraldveryimpressedindeed > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > Harald Richter > > BMRC > > PO Box 1289K > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > Australia > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:48:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Great stuff Dave. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm Tracker > avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also to > sat images and BOM radar.. > > Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. > > Dave +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:15:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Getting Wetter in Wollongong

Hi list,

Nice and wet in Wollongong this morning with steady light rain for the last two hours now with NW winds picking up, 8/8 cover of high based cloud. This would seem to be the first time in a while we've had a NW cloudband with rain like this. (That I remember anyway.)

Driving down to Melbourne tonight so I'm sure there will be a sudden change in location for all the good action from the southern state to Wollongong/Sydney. Pack the cameras and film guys. Also still hoping for any wind on Sunday morning in Melbourne to have a good south component to it, last check of forecast showed SW swinging through W to NW for Sunday, so hopefully the SW'ly lasts until at least 10am. If there is any good chasing going on over Fri-Sun around Melbourne, let me know on 0418 671 851. I'm staying at St Kilda, just a short hop away from Albert Park.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

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From: "Rosalina Champion" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Next QLD ASWA Meeting Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:00:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, Thanks. I will try to make it. Rosalina > > Place: "Pixel Components" Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner > > AC > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:01:02 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Working at a uni that trains journalists, I would have to say that this is some of the best non-WX advice I have seen on this list. Live it. Love it. Phil >A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago >(not video or picture related, but an interview with a print >journalist). > >The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self >interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop >of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good >story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in >their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get >tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless >of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into >handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with >next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they >profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any >means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they >please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the >basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good >story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. > >As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is >the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice >is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing >with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good >professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that >they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce >grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet >the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want >it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an >exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to >someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on >sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. > >My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be >interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the >electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look >in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance >that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure >that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along >with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. >Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any >circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while >at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, >regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and >walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that >video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they >have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours >some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust >anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always >hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave >nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, >not even to take a leak, nothing, period. > >Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed >away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR >copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. >Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or >expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media >should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a >suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could >do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, >not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and >investigated. My two bobs worth. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:38:11 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. From: David To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com As a writer (not a journo) who deals with intellectual property and copyright on a regular basis - I agree wholeheartedly. Davo > A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago > (not video or picture related, but an interview with a print > journalist). > > The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self > interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop > of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good > story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in > their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get > tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless > of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into > handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with > next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they > profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any > means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they > please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the > basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good > story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. > > As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is > the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice > is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing > with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good > professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that > they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce > grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet > the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want > it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an > exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to > someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on > sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. > > My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be > interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the > electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look > in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance > that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure > that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along > with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. > Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any > circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while > at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, > regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and > walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that > video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they > have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours > some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust > anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always > hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave > nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, > not even to take a leak, nothing, period. > > Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed > away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR > copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. > Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or > expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media > should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a > suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could > do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, > not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and > investigated. My two bobs worth. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > ------------------ If it looks like rain it usually is -------------------- DAVID SIMPSON 100%CONTENT content creation management and monitoring internet multimedia print direct broadcast 39 Park Street South Melbourne VIC 3205 T 9686 6722 F 9686 6004 M 0419 230 666 E david at 100content.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:17:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Phil & others, I've placed a copy of a Non-exclusive licence on the link below (copied from the Copyright Council website). This is what the owner of the image could give to the organisation wishing to use their image (**not the other way around**). Under no circumstances should you ever give anyone the exclusive rights to your image, becasue that means that you can't use it either without a) their permission & b) paying for the priviledge (would seem a bit odd to have to pay for your own image!! - that's why you should never sell them outright) http://www.stormchasers.au.com/image_licence.htm also see Australian Copyright Council for more info at http://www.copyright.org.au Now, the next thing we need to know is what the going rate (per second / per minute) is both for stills & videography. Anyone have any clues? Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Working at a uni that trains journalists, I would have to say that this is some of the best non-WX advice I have seen on this list. Live it. Love it. Phil >A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago >(not video or picture related, but an interview with a print >journalist). > >The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self >interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop >of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good >story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in >their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get >tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless >of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into >handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with >next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they >profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any >means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they >please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the >basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good >story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. > >As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is >the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice >is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing >with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good >professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that >they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce >grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet >the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want >it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an >exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to >someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on >sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. > >My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be >interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the >electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look >in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance >that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure >that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along >with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. >Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any >circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while >at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, >regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and >walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that >video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they >have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours >some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust >anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always >hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave >nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, >not even to take a leak, nothing, period. > >Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed >away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR >copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. >Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or >expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media >should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a >suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could >do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, >not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and >investigated. My two bobs worth. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Low SW Mt Gambier. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:42:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 00:43:58.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFF2F630:01C151ED] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. A very nice looking depression south west of Mt Gambier this morning complete with a dry inflow band, also the strengthening of the 300hpa trough running through eastern Aus has allowed the incursion of tropical activity to get close to the north of QLD,also a thermal trough just west of Adelaide may be worth keeping a look at over the next 6 to 12 hours. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:38:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 00:39:28.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F4E6390:01C151ED] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil and all. A nice large splotch of cloud near 133 east and 17 north (east of the Philippines) has started to show some weak outflow tendencies and moving westward at the moment, looks a little to far north to affect your area at this time. This development is interesting with a sought of connection to a large narrow thunderstorm band extending to a now intense extra tropical low in the north pacific which was formally a typhoon. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cold Front. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:47:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 00:48:48.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CD1E000:01C151EE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. The cold front moving across Western Vic has just come into view west of Geelong (1045hrs) apart from an overcast mid level cloud deck and some light rain it is also marked by a band of low cu that is just starting to form a sought of shelf type line,the surface front is also moving from the west northwest showing that the frontal boundary is starting to pivot around the low southwest of Vic.regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:35:46 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Thread-Index: AcFR08cFpsO4vZN8QGy91MwaY6PVtwAB/fRg From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id SAA14629 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Very wet in Northern Vic at the moment. Rain all the way to work from Echuca to Kyabram and it is still very heavy. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Godsman, Andrew AG [mailto:Andrew.G.Godsman at bhpbilliton.com] Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 7:15 To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' Subject: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Hi list, Nice and wet in Wollongong this morning with steady light rain for the last two hours now with NW winds picking up, 8/8 cover of high based cloud. This would seem to be the first time in a while we've had a NW cloudband with rain like this. (That I remember anyway.) Driving down to Melbourne tonight so I'm sure there will be a sudden change in location for all the good action from the southern state to Wollongong/Sydney. Pack the cameras and film guys. Also still hoping for any wind on Sunday morning in Melbourne to have a good south component to it, last check of forecast showed SW swinging through W to NW for Sunday, so hopefully the SW'ly lasts until at least 10am. If there is any good chasing going on over Fri-Sun around Melbourne, let me know on 0418 671 851. I'm staying at St Kilda, just a short hop away from Albert Park. Cheers Andrew Godsman EOM NOTICE - This message and any attached files may contain information that is confidential and/or subject of legal privilege intended only for use by the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any dissemination, copying or use of this message or attachment is strictly forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information therein. 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From: "Intentional Server 1" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com good advice Peter, the only thing is that you've really only got a maximum of 2-3 hours to do all the cutting (assuming an early morning event) otherwise the story is cold and worth significantly less. The other aspect is that your hard work and money spent cutting the tape will in most prabability go to waste as the vision length will change according to the producer, bulletin and a host of other factors. The solution is simply to have a contract ready and to just dub the camera tape. The Assoc could also look at watermarking members work to build 'brand' credability or it may as you said just look at a contract. Bear in mind though the many exemptions from the copyright act applicable for the reporting of news and........ that even if proven that the contract is breached the remedies in NSW, QLD and VIC are the equity division of the Supreme Court which means most newsroom chief of staffs realise the courts are well beyound the financial means of most mortals. I think its also a matter of defining the goal...money or recognition? the former will mean that you'll always be haggling and treated as a one off, the latter is more achievable and usually asists in getting at least a little of the money. My advice as someone in the industry, find who is your local pool crew (usually freelance) and build a relationship with them. The best way to gain revenue however is to build a storm chasers archive with varying levels of subscription for media outlets including one off's etc., The access can be on line or via a broadband delivery system (not your average webserver). Watermarking is the only thing that works for the networks so the reality is if they can't win the battle of news vision against each other what hope does an individual have! Regards Brian Wilson -- Intentional Pty Limited PO Box 271 Emu Plains NSW 2750 Australia Fax: 61 2 4735 7278 admin at intentional.com.au Tel: 61 2 4735 2960 Mobile: 61 0410 413 010 Media & Business Solutions ---------- >From: Peter Creswick >To: aussie-weather >Subject: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:15 > > A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago > (not video or picture related, but an interview with a print > journalist). > > The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self > interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop > of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good > story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in > their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get > tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless > of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into > handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with > next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they > profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any > means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they > please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the > basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good > story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. > > As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is > the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice > is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing > with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good > professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that > they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce > grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet > the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want > it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an > exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to > someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on > sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. > > My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be > interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the > electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look > in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance > that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure > that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along > with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. > Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any > circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while > at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, > regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and > walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that > video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they > have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours > some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust > anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always > hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave > nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, > not even to take a leak, nothing, period. > > Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed > away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR > copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. > Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or > expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media > should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a > suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could > do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, > not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and > investigated. My two bobs worth. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:39:23 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Very wet in Northern Vic at the moment. Rain all the way to work from > Echuca to Kyabram and it is still very heavy. > > Allison > ...but the Melbourne rain repellent is still alive and well - only a trace here so far. (This is not an uncommon scenario in humid pre- frontal northerlies, from which Melbourne is in a local rainshadow, but normally the action is a bit closer to the northern side of the ranges than Echuca/Kyabram). Action will need to be taken to remove the aforementioned rain repellent by a time-honoured method - namely the erection of two sets of three wooden poles 20 metres apart in the middle of an area of open ground. It is definitely a worry that, even last week when the catchments got above-average rainfall for the week, streamflow was still only around 50% of normal. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 From: "David Carroll" Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:26:40 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 11/10/2001 12:26:40 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI all. If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange & Bathurst.. Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front moving EAST.. We have had 3 mm in last hr.. Still falling quite heavy.. 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Looking at the animated satpic it seems to be drifting towards the Luzon Strait which might mean it could end up here. It's a bit early to say yet though. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:38:12 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. > Hi Phil and all. > A nice large splotch of cloud near 133 east and 17 north (east of the > Philippines) has started to show some weak outflow tendencies and > moving > westward at the moment, looks a little to far north to affect your area > at > this time. This development is interesting with a sought of connection > to a > large narrow thunderstorm band extending to a now intense extra > tropical low > in the north pacific which was formally a typhoon. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:34:13 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trough just passed through Adelaide Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Very nice little convergence zone / trough line in the post frontal cold pool [just what DO we call these things? Clyve??] has just passed through Adelaide as a tight line of small anvils. Looked sweet on radar with some red action 50-80km south of Adelaide. A nice little 30kn downburst and small hail with the band and a few mm in the gauge. The sun was shining 15m before and 15m after the passage. All dams in the Adelaide area bar one are now full. What a contrast to Melbourne [amazing the difference 800km makes]. Cheers Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." 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David,

With no access to radar and not knowing what is coming through, is the storm associated with a clearing edge or just the trough? Hopefully we get some action later if the storm activity increases during its travel east. The high cloud and light rain is nice for the farmers and catchment but s couple of storms would go down a treat.

Andrew Godsman
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Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:27 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst


HI all.

If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange &
Bathurst..   Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front moving
EAST..

We have had 3 mm in last hr..  Still falling quite heavy..

Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was reported in
Dubbo area and moving fast.

Dave




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The high cloud and light rain is nice for the farmers and > catchment but s couple of storms would go down a treat. > > Andrew Godsman > Camera at the ready > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Carroll [mailto:David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:27 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst > > HI all. > > If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange & > Bathurst.. Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front > moving > EAST.. > > We have had 3 mm in last hr.. Still falling quite heavy.. > > Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was > reported in > Dubbo area and moving fast. > > Dave > > ##################################################################################### > > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it > and notify the > sender. 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Don't know when it started initially, it was wet outside when I got out of bed at noon, but it has been raining constantly since about 12:40. PC David Carroll wrote: > HI all. > > If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange & > Bathurst.. Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front moving > EAST.. > > We have had 3 mm in last hr.. Still falling quite heavy.. > > Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was reported in > Dubbo area and moving fast. > > Dave > > ##################################################################################### > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > sender. 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Hi Andrew,

Using my powerful skills in deduction I can probably accurately predict the timing of the heaviest falls to coincide with my ride home from work, so sometime around 4pm EST. Although if the line was at Wagga at 1pm ansd somewhere near Dubbo around the same time, then it could be a good lightshow for Wollongong after nightfall. Me no complain at any rate.

Andrew Godsman
Wollongong

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Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 1:35 PM
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst


Andrew,

Storms seem to be with and just ahead of the front, which was passing
through Wagga at 03Z and moving east. Wagga reported heavy rain at 03Z
(31 mm/hr), no doubt with a storm.

Widespread rain ahead of the front.

Another Andrew.


> "Godsman, Andrew AG" wrote:
>
> David,
>
> With no access to radar and not knowing what is coming through, is the
> storm associated with a clearing edge or just the trough? Hopefully we
> get some action later if the storm activity increases during its
> travel east. The high cloud and light rain is nice for the farmers and
> catchment but s couple of storms would go down a treat.
>
> Andrew Godsman
> Camera at the ready
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Carroll [mailto:David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:27 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst
>
> HI all.
>
> If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange &
> Bathurst..   Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front
> moving
> EAST..
>
> We have had 3 mm in last hr..  Still falling quite heavy..
>
> Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was
> reported in
> Dubbo area and moving fast.
>
> Dave
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:53:27 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for storms Andrew, this is more of a rain event, nothing significant anywhere on the latest tracker image, or radar. Of course the odd cell may pop up on the ranges as the front gets closer.. but yeah i dont hold too much hope.

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Hi Andrew,

Using my powerful skills in deduction I can probably accurately predict the timing of the heaviest falls to coincide with my ride home from work, so sometime around 4pm EST. Although if the line was at Wagga at 1pm ansd somewhere near Dubbo around the same time, then it could be a good lightshow for Wollongong after nightfall. Me no complain at any rate.

Andrew Godsman
Wollongong

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Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 1:35 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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Andrew,

Storms seem to be with and just ahead of the front, which was passing
through Wagga at 03Z and moving east. Wagga reported heavy rain at 03Z
(31 mm/hr), no doubt with a storm.

Widespread rain ahead of the front.

Another Andrew.

> "Godsman, Andrew AG" wrote:
>
> David,
>
> With no access to radar and not knowing what is coming through, is the
> storm associated with a clearing edge or just the trough? Hopefully we
> get some action later if the storm activity increases during its
> travel east. The high cloud and light rain is nice for the farmers and
> catchment but s couple of storms would go down a treat.
>
> Andrew Godsman
> Camera at the ready
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Carroll [mailto:David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:27 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst
>
> HI all.
>
> If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange &
> Bathurst..   Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front
> moving
> EAST..
>
> We have had 3 mm in last hr..  Still falling quite heavy..
>
> Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was
> reported in
> Dubbo area and moving fast.
>
> Dave
>
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From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Victorian chase - West and South west Gippsland Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:09:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ben, LOL. Also for me. The severe wx always seems to be where I am not. Maybe this is just my guardian angel looking after me.... Or maybe there really is such a thing as a 'Rain God' in which case one could theorise that conversely there is such a thing as an 'Anti-Rain God'. Given the depressingly small amount of moisture hitting the ground in Mt. Crosby in recent years, I am definitely in the latter category - hell, I have even seen severe storms heading directly toward me split just 5kms from my place and miss it almost completely, while smashing everything a fews kms either side. Of course, I could put this down to the local mountain range screwing up the inflow - but the Anti-Rain God theory sounds far more plausable :( John. >snip That sounds like one of my chases Tony - whenever i chase thinking i'll be better off than here at home Redcliffe gets slaughtered December 16 , 1998 - 5cm hail and a spectacular shelf cloud from a northward moving supercell - i was out of town, saw no storm features, got a few drops of rain and drove into 1 (yes ONE) hailstone, which cracked my windscreen July 10, 200 - a good winter chase SW of Brisbane but while sitting at a lookout feeling pretty happy with the day a storm was dropping 8cm hail NW of Redcliffe and eventually a spectacular laminar shelf cloud moved practically right over my house January 17, 2001 - An awesome evening chase but early the next morning i decided to chase a developing storm which was moving NE - i went NW to intercept it, the storm turned E 10 minutes after i walked out the door and dropped tennis ball hail 3km's south of my house (mind you i did get photos of the hail and saw plenty of lightning) I should let the BOM know when i'm going out on a chase - they could prepare the storm warning for Redcliffe in advance :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Teeming down in Melbourne's east.. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:46:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> >> Very wet in Northern Vic at the moment. Rain all the way to work from >> Echuca to Kyabram and it is still very heavy. >> >> Allison >> >...but the Melbourne rain repellent is still alive and well - only >a trace here so far. (This is not an uncommon scenario in humid pre- >frontal northerlies, from which Melbourne is in a local rainshadow, >but normally the action is a bit closer to the northern side of the >ranges than Echuca/Kyabram). > >Action will need to be taken to remove the aforementioned rain >repellent by a time-honoured method - namely the erection of two sets >of three wooden poles 20 metres apart in the middle of an area of >open ground. > >It is definitely a worry that, even last week when the catchments >got above-average rainfall for the week, streamflow was still only >around 50% of normal. > >Blair I know it is only a drop in the ocean, compared to the four years of drought we have endured in Melbourne, but it has been raining heavily in Melbournes outer east now for a good 2.5 hours, with 24mm clocked up here at Ferny Creek. A classic case of being in the right place at the right time (wrong?), with a briefly intensified (but narrow) rain band substantially sliding along its axis. I take full responsibility, as today a fencer who we have contracted to build a fence on our property finally turned up (three days late), only to be rained off after 3 hours of post digging.... We are fast approaching 100m for the month so far, after a miserable September total (from Dunns Hill AWS) of about 80mm. Regards, David d.jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Teeming down in Melbourne's east.. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:32:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, Images of the front passing through Melbourne early this afternoon (and a couple of shots of cirrus yesterday) http://www.stormchasers.au.com/10_10_01.htm At the bottom of The Hill (Mt Dandenong), Bayswater has struggled to get just 7mm. But it looked like this earlier this afternoon http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02926.jpg Jane PS: David, could you keep up with the fencing please, we have a few dams that need filling in the area or I'm going to spend all summer hand watering my rhododendrons instead of stormchasing! -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > I know it is only a drop in the ocean, compared to the four years of drought > we have endured in Melbourne, but it has been raining heavily in Melbournes > outer east now for a good 2.5 hours, with 24mm clocked up here at Ferny > Creek. A classic case of being in the right place at the right time > (wrong?), with a briefly intensified (but narrow) rain band substantially > sliding along its axis. I take full responsibility, as today a fencer who we > have contracted to build a fence on our property finally turned up (three > days late), only to be rained off after 3 hours of post digging.... > > We are fast approaching 100m for the month so far, after a miserable > September total (from Dunns Hill AWS) of about 80mm. > > Regards, > > David > > d.jones at bom.gov.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trough just passed through Adelaide Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:08:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 06:09:42.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[5180E180:01C1521B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil B, I would call it a thermal trough,I noticed this trough in the sat pics this morning then over the Eyre Peninsular. The term thermal always used to confuse me as I would associate this terminology with warm air, however this trough that passed your region is associated with colder air aloft often at 500hpa level (18,500ft). With the passing of this 'thermal trough over a location the overriding cold air aloft results in increased lapse rates through a good depth of the atmosphere, usually there is a wind change with this type of system, but not a great direction change, normally i.e. northwest to west or southwest etc. The passing of this trough also usually marks the axis of the coldest air. Such troughs can at times produce severe weather especially in coastal regions,they can also be a source of vorticity and can on occasions develop into low pressure systems (cold lows).The above is my understanding and there is probably a lot more . regards Clyve Herbert ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Bagust To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trough just passed through Adelaide > Hi all > > Very nice little convergence zone / trough line in the post frontal cold > pool [just what DO we call these things? Clyve??] has just passed through > Adelaide as a tight line of small anvils. Looked sweet on radar with some > red action 50-80km south of Adelaide. A nice little 30kn downburst and > small hail with the band and a few mm in the gauge. The sun was shining > 15m before and 15m after the passage. > > All dams in the Adelaide area bar one are now full. What a contrast to > Melbourne [amazing the difference 800km makes]. > > Cheers > > Phil > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Teeming down in Melbourne's east.. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:05:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hell! 100mm for the month already. I thought I was being smart at 37.4 for the month but still a long way behind the average. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > I know it is only a drop in the ocean, compared to the four years of drought > we have endured in Melbourne, but it has been raining heavily in Melbournes > outer east now for a good 2.5 hours, with 24mm clocked up here at Ferny > Creek. A classic case of being in the right place at the right time > (wrong?), with a briefly intensified (but narrow) rain band substantially > sliding along its axis. I take full responsibility, as today a fencer who we > have contracted to build a fence on our property finally turned up (three > days late), only to be rained off after 3 hours of post digging.... > > We are fast approaching 100m for the month so far, after a miserable > September total (from Dunns Hill AWS) of about 80mm. > > Regards, > > David > > d.jones at bom.gov.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:04:42 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's hard times now - no storms for over a month, no "summer-type storms" since March/April - bringing unprecedented bouts of SDS, not to mention with the lack of rain (although a light rain band moving through from our west at the moment). But this afternoon I was forced to turn my wiper washers on for over a minute just to get some joy out of simulating rain *sigh* - it was completely overcast in the afternoon, so that worked well for that - and the bit of haze around helped immiate very light precip around the place. Anyway - I am thinking we might just about be seeing the end of our dry, stormless spell. Over the past week there's been a distinct change in the air - just the feeling in the winds, and the different smells of the seasons. Not to mention the different variety of birds chirping and I was visited by my first Christmas beetle tonight! I told him (or her) what I always tell the Christmas beetles - "I've been a good boy, and please tell Santa I'd like a week of storms over Christmas." This approaching rain will be very welcoming, and hopefully something heavier on Sunday - I'd like to drive between Brisbane and Toowoomba with at least seeing some sort of natural green, rather than a yellow/brown sea. -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Tichborne" To: Subject: aus-wx: Stormy days Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:17:04 +1300 Organization: Private X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's approaching the first anniversery of last year's big southerly storm that blasted Christchurch and surrounds with heavy rain and storm-force winds. And now a deep low has formed to the east of NZ again. But it's not as bad this time here - in fact the southerly rain is welcomed by farmers (and skiers - fresh snow on the high country), as the last few months have been very dry. There have been severe gales - this time further north around Cook Strait, stopping interislander ferries. Plus, there was a tornado in the far north on Tuesday (9th) doing a fair amount of damage to a small seaside settlement. What a change from last week's warm anticylonic conditions. Typically spring. Ben Christchurch NZ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: New ASWA site Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:22:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
The New ASWA site. It's great.  Congratulations to all those who worked so hard to put this together. It looks great and a vast improvement on the old one. I look forward to exploring the site fully.
 
Also everyone that contributed to the making of the last Storm News - very professional and  a very enjoyable read.
 
 
Your enthusiasm is enthusing and very much appreciated !
 
Regards
Simon
 
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:34:56 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Light rain here now! Interesting line of showers/convection west of Moree sitting behind the cloud band. AC Anthony Cornelius wrote: > > It's hard times now - no storms for over a month, no "summer-type > storms" since March/April - bringing unprecedented bouts of SDS, not to > mention with the lack of rain (although a light rain band moving through > from our west at the moment). But this afternoon I was forced to turn > my wiper washers on for over a minute just to get some joy out of > simulating rain *sigh* - it was completely overcast in the afternoon, so > that worked well for that - and the bit of haze around helped immiate > very light precip around the place. > > Anyway - I am thinking we might just about be seeing the end of our dry, > stormless spell. Over the past week there's been a distinct change in > the air - just the feeling in the winds, and the different smells of the > seasons. Not to mention the different variety of birds chirping and I > was visited by my first Christmas beetle tonight! I told him (or her) > what I always tell the Christmas beetles - "I've been a good boy, and > please tell Santa I'd like a week of storms over Christmas." > > This approaching rain will be very welcoming, and hopefully something > heavier on Sunday - I'd like to drive between Brisbane and Toowoomba > with at least seeing some sort of natural green, rather than a > yellow/brown sea. > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:30:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anthony I am not washing my car - just letting the dust cake on day by day. Like you I think a distinct change is on the way. Its 7.30 pm here and that light rain on the radar hasn't reached Moreton Bay yet. When it does I might go out and a bit of a rain dance to try and bring on Sunday's predicted rain to produce a bit more gusto !. Just as well its dark - I wouldn't want the neighbours to see. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times > It's hard times now - no storms for over a month, no "summer-type > storms" since March/April - bringing unprecedented bouts of SDS, not to > mention with the lack of rain (although a light rain band moving through > from our west at the moment). But this afternoon I was forced to turn > my wiper washers on for over a minute just to get some joy out of > simulating rain *sigh* - it was completely overcast in the afternoon, so > that worked well for that - and the bit of haze around helped immiate > very light precip around the place. > > Anyway - I am thinking we might just about be seeing the end of our dry, > stormless spell. Over the past week there's been a distinct change in > the air - just the feeling in the winds, and the different smells of the > seasons. Not to mention the different variety of birds chirping and I > was visited by my first Christmas beetle tonight! I told him (or her) > what I always tell the Christmas beetles - "I've been a good boy, and > please tell Santa I'd like a week of storms over Christmas." > > This approaching rain will be very welcoming, and hopefully something > heavier on Sunday - I'd like to drive between Brisbane and Toowoomba > with at least seeing some sort of natural green, rather than a > yellow/brown sea. > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:48:38 +1300 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: New Zealand Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A trough passed over mainly the North Island over the last few days delivering good rainfalls to parched areas. Although the weather was cool and boring here in Christchurch , it was quite thundery in the North Island with one or two tornado or waterspouts reported. Not much detail is noted of the tornado/waterspouts from what I can gather. Cook Strait got a bit of a southerly battering today with sea-swells up to 8 metres. JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port7.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.71] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:30:08 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id GAA13234 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, Some proverbs from Czech Repubklic sent in to Project Atmsophere Australia Online - always interesting to read new stuff like this... Anyone care to try interpret/explain some of the less obvious ones? 'Medard's Hood' is a nice little mystery.... Hope you enjoy them. Sel >Dear friends fom Australia, >we send you some proverbs about the weather. Do you like them? > >SPRING >1. "The March sun has got short arms and a long coat." >2. "April is confused by winter and summer." >3. "The weather in April is a good and a bad time together." >4. "If June is rainy, the grain is lodged." >5. "Medard´s hood, forty days drip." > >SUMMER >1. "Saints Anne, chilly from stroke." >2. "If in August it booms a lot, long snow winter will come." >3. "In September the sunshines enough yet." > >AUTUMN >1. "If there is in October much snow, it will be much snow in >winter." >2. "November wind - brother of winter." >3. "November goes on the spotted hack." > >WINTER >1. "January friends - snowstorm and frost." >2. "January is beginning of the year, but summit of winter." >3. "If February sparkles frost, it preaches time of future." >4. "February white, field´s become strong." > >Hi, >students from secondary school of postal service in Pilsen, Czech >republic. > > > >----- >SMS na mobily všech tří operátorů - www.posliSMS.cz > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port7.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.71] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:25:14 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: Re: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ditto, My car looks like a rugged outdoor interpretation of the little urban 4WD that it is... A few light spots here in Elimbah tonight - enough to make me use my wipers but only just barely. Evaporated, Sel At 19:30 11/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >Anthony > >I am not washing my car - just letting the dust cake on day by day. Like you >I think a distinct change is on the way. > >Its 7.30 pm here and that light rain on the radar hasn't reached Moreton Bay >yet. When it does I might go out and a bit of a rain dance to try and bring >on Sunday's predicted rain to produce a bit more gusto !. Just as well its >dark - I wouldn't want the neighbours to see. > > >Regards >Simon > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anthony Cornelius" >To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:04 PM >Subject: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times > > >> It's hard times now - no storms for over a month, no "summer-type >> storms" since March/April - bringing unprecedented bouts of SDS, not to >> mention with the lack of rain (although a light rain band moving through >> from our west at the moment). But this afternoon I was forced to turn >> my wiper washers on for over a minute just to get some joy out of >> simulating rain *sigh* - it was completely overcast in the afternoon, so >> that worked well for that - and the bit of haze around helped immiate >> very light precip around the place. >> >> Anyway - I am thinking we might just about be seeing the end of our dry, >> stormless spell. Over the past week there's been a distinct change in >> the air - just the feeling in the winds, and the different smells of the >> seasons. Not to mention the different variety of birds chirping and I >> was visited by my first Christmas beetle tonight! I told him (or her) >> what I always tell the Christmas beetles - "I've been a good boy, and >> please tell Santa I'd like a week of storms over Christmas." >> >> This approaching rain will be very welcoming, and hopefully something >> heavier on Sunday - I'd like to drive between Brisbane and Toowoomba >> with at least seeing some sort of natural green, rather than a >> yellow/brown sea. >> -- >> Anthony Cornelius >> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >> (07) 3390 4812 >> http://www.severeweather.asn.au >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port7.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.71] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:47:05 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: aus-wx: Hurricane Sat pics and cloud heights... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, The latest images on NASA's Earth Observatory page are worth a look: Hurricanes - one featuring cloud height image as captured by the Multi-angle Imaging SpectroRadiometer (MISR) on September 26, 2001. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=5176 Beautiful and what I wouldn't give to be able to see these storms from above for myself! Sel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:37:08 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We got a fair bit of rain here overnight, at Rothwell just north of brisbane. It still looks rainy to the east, so I think we may get some more. I think the drought here at least has broken, what about elsewhere? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:22:54 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmmmmmm. Interesting. Is somebody going to try an interpretation?? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: Sel Kerans To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:30:08 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic > Hello all, > > Some proverbs from Czech Repubklic sent in to Project Atmsophere > Australia > Online - always interesting to read new stuff like this... > > Anyone care to try interpret/explain some of the less obvious ones? > > 'Medard's Hood' is a nice little mystery.... > > Hope you enjoy them. > > Sel > > > > >Dear friends fom Australia, > >we send you some proverbs about the weather. Do you like them? > > > >SPRING > >1. "The March sun has got short arms and a long coat." > >2. "April is confused by winter and summer." > >3. "The weather in April is a good and a bad time together." > >4. "If June is rainy, the grain is lodged." > >5. "Medard´s hood, forty days drip." > > > >SUMMER > >1. "Saints Anne, chilly from stroke." > >2. "If in August it booms a lot, long snow winter will come." > >3. "In September the sunshines enough yet." > > > >AUTUMN > >1. "If there is in October much snow, it will be much snow in > >winter." > >2. "November wind - brother of winter." > >3. "November goes on the spotted hack." > > > >WINTER > >1. "January friends - snowstorm and frost." > >2. "January is beginning of the year, but summit of winter." > >3. "If February sparkles frost, it preaches time of future." > >4. "February white, field´s become strong." > > > >Hi, > >students from secondary school of postal service in Pilsen, Czech > >republic. > > > > > > > >----- > >SMS na mobily všech tří operátorů - www.posliSMS.cz > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sel Kerans > Coordinator \|/ &&&&& > Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" > WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ > Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ > EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v > > ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 > > *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** > *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [129.42.241.30] From: "Stephen Assad" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:52:43 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 12:52:43.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E68B530:01C15253] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Allison: I believe you are very wet, all the way! S. >From: "Allison Cunnington" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong >Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:35:46 +1000 > >Very wet in Northern Vic at the moment. Rain all the way to work from >Echuca to Kyabram and it is still very heavy. > >Allison > >-----Original Message----- >From: Godsman, Andrew AG [mailto:Andrew.G.Godsman at bhpbilliton.com] >Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 7:15 >To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' >Subject: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong > > > >Hi list, > >Nice and wet in Wollongong this morning with steady light rain for the >last two hours now with NW winds picking up, 8/8 cover of high based >cloud. This would seem to be the first time in a while we've had a NW >cloudband with rain like this. (That I remember anyway.) > >Driving down to Melbourne tonight so I'm sure there will be a sudden >change in location for all the good action from the southern state to >Wollongong/Sydney. Pack the cameras and film guys. Also still hoping for >any wind on Sunday morning in Melbourne to have a good south component >to it, last check of forecast showed SW swinging through W to NW for >Sunday, so hopefully the SW'ly lasts until at least 10am. If there is >any good chasing going on over Fri-Sun around Melbourne, let me know on >0418 671 851. I'm staying at St Kilda, just a short hop away from Albert >Park. > >Cheers >Andrew Godsman > >EOM > >NOTICE - This message and any attached files may contain information >that is confidential and/or subject of legal privilege intended only for >use by the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or >the person responsible for delivering the message to the intended >recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and >that any dissemination, copying or use of this message or attachment is >strictly forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information therein. 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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:43:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0.2mm in the guage to midnight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dry lasted 40 days & 40 nights... John. >snip We got a fair bit of rain here overnight, at Rothwell just north of brisbane. It still looks rainy to the east, so I think we may get some more. I think the drought here at least has broken, what about elsewhere? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:55:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Different! I'll have to pass on the interpretation. I go home with nothing...... Reminds me of a local one for here that the old farmers used to say. If we got a fog in February then it wont rain for another three months. It tested true many years ago when a plane crashed in fog in sthn NSW somewhere in Feb and it never rained again until late May. Will stand corrected, as usual, as I was only young when I heard that one. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sel Kerans" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic > Hello all, > > Some proverbs from Czech Repubklic sent in to Project Atmsophere Australia > Online - always interesting to read new stuff like this... > > Anyone care to try interpret/explain some of the less obvious ones? > > 'Medard's Hood' is a nice little mystery.... > > Hope you enjoy them. > > Sel > > > > >Dear friends fom Australia, > >we send you some proverbs about the weather. Do you like them? > > > >SPRING > >1. "The March sun has got short arms and a long coat." > >2. "April is confused by winter and summer." > >3. "The weather in April is a good and a bad time together." > >4. "If June is rainy, the grain is lodged." > >5. "Medard´s hood, forty days drip." > > > >SUMMER > >1. "Saints Anne, chilly from stroke." > >2. "If in August it booms a lot, long snow winter will come." > >3. "In September the sunshines enough yet." > > > >AUTUMN > >1. "If there is in October much snow, it will be much snow in > >winter." > >2. "November wind - brother of winter." > >3. "November goes on the spotted hack." > > > >WINTER > >1. "January friends - snowstorm and frost." > >2. "January is beginning of the year, but summit of winter." > >3. "If February sparkles frost, it preaches time of future." > >4. "February white, field´s become strong." > > > >Hi, > >students from secondary school of postal service in Pilsen, Czech > >republic. > > > > > > > >----- > >SMS na mobily všech tří operátorů - www.posliSMS.cz > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sel Kerans > Coordinator \|/ &&&&& > Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" > WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ > Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ > EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v > > ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 > > *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** > *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:55:07 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: TS Today? Re: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, There may actually be the chance of TS around SE QLD today - I know the SW change is expected to push through, but it's quite weak and hopefully it will not dry out things too much (we've had some rain around