http://australiasevereweather.com/ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:15:57 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ken, i admire your get up and go to LRF, what sort of hit rate have you been getting? and is your hit rate improving with time? $70 for 1 weeks obs. whoever plucked that figure out of their backside need to be sacked, thats dispicable. makes me want to buy 20 years worth and post the whole lot on the internet. regards richard modistach ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Ring To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > David > First of all, it doesn't matter to me if I'm taken seriously or not anymore. > Enough farmers etc are buying my books and keeping me busy. I answer about > 20-30 email requests per day for forecasts and quite frankly I would rather > not, but it seems there is no where else that will provide it. Not the > regular metservices, as I'm told, for anything beyond a couple of days > ahead, and according to a Herald Digipoll taken in my country in 1998, out > of 663 people questioned, only 37% had any faith in the official > forecasters, which is rather sad. But you will notice that on the 23rd on > this forum I forecast shower activity for Sydney and Perth between 27-29, > clearing by 30th, with a 24hr potential error. There are some who would find > that useful but others who would find it something amusing. Then there would > be others who would rush to random number generators in order to satisfy > themselves that I had nothing of value. The point is, I don't have to > convince anybody of anything. The system is there, I have described it for > anyone interested and they can take it or leave it. > > As to your next point, with respect, I would rather you took the trouble to > read what's on my website, so you familiarise yourself with the theory of > lunar forecasting before I spend hours explaining it. After that we can get > into a discussion over the finer points. I find the most vehement critics > are those who won't bother even looking into it to familiarise themselves > with where I am coming from, but because they think they are scientists they > assume they must be qualified to comment on anything. I realise this is > left-field, but so have been all the science mavericks from Copernicus down. > In fact Galileo, Newton, Franklin, Kepler, Copernicus, Laplace, even > Flamstead who started the Greenwich Royal Observatory, -men who were the > founding fathers of modern science - all would have described themselves as > astrologers. There is nothing wrong with the unusual and there should be > always room for new approaches and reform. > > I get challenged because I am not a qualified meteorologist, whatever that > is. But I have never claimed to be one and I don't think meteorology can > adequately explain weather, which I put down to a mix of maths and > astronomy. But I do think studying this subject for 27 years, watching the > moon correlate with weather daily and writing about 8 books on the subject > makes me somewhat qualified to have an idea or two. It would be an > unreasonable to expect me to discuss this subject with someone who hasn't > read anything, written anything nor empirically collected any data that > related to the moon. > > After reading my articles you will see that my thoughts are that our > rainfall varies from year to year because of a thing called the Nodal Cycle, > the phase of the moon is a very small part of what the moon does, nor is > phase even constant, and there is nothing special about the moon's behaviour > other than that it is, like the sun and every other planet, completely > cyclic, and as, I have discovered, is the weather. > > I do think my explanation is detailed, but I can't comment on 'profound', as > interpretation is almost certainly in the eye of the beholder. If I say dry > and it rains overnight but is a sunny day, one person may say it was a dry > day and another a wet one. The thing is, if the system works for someone > then it's a worthy one. You clearly find my conclusions hard to accept re > August rainfall. I suggest we wait until the month is over before passing > judgement. If I was way out I'll stand corrected. We all make mistakes - > that's how we learn. > > It seems you are part of the BoM. You have a complete advantage over me in > that you are paid to do research and have free access to historical data and > multimillion dollar equipment. . I'm not. I have no resources and have to > earn a living doing something else. If I want any obs I have to pay through > the absolute nose for it. Like $70 for a week's worth. They screw me and > it's not right, in my opinion. So I have to rely a lot on newspapers from > the past. That makes any success that I achieve all the more fantastic. > best wishes > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Jones" > To: > Cc: "David Jones" > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:58 AM > Subject: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > Ken, > > > > If you and your non-conventional predictions want to be taken seriously, > can > > you please explain. > > > > Why, does our rainfall vary from year to year?, given that the phase of > the > > moon is a completely regular occurrence, and accordingly to your > prediction > > dominant. And, what is so special about the moon's behavior this year that > > leads you to believe that the August through November period should only > get > > ~110mm of rain in Sydney, an amount that would place it within the driest > > 10% of historical observations, and not far from the driest such period on > > record. > > > > Given the shear desperation of many rural producers currently enduring > > drought in eastern Australia, I trust you have a very good scientific > theory > > to back your profound and detailed predictions. > > > > Regards, > > > > David > > > > > > Dr David Jones > > > > Head Climate Analysis Section > > National Climate Centre > > Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 > > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4085 > > Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 > > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: A Visibility Ques. Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:20:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello To All:
        I hope this question is not too foolish--since I'm not an aviator.
        The AWS at Mena Airport, on the Visibility reading, maxes out at 10 Miles(16.6km). What is the significance of 10 miles? (As of a few years ago, the AWS now says "Missing" for the Visibility report and cloud heights).
         Have a GREAT day/week        David Powell
From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:39:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ken, I agree with most of the sentiments you pass on here, certainly I would consider a window of possible rain days an excellent forecast if it were months ahead (which you do). As a meteorologist by training, I would like to see the verifications that have been performed. This seems the only way that you would be able to convince other meteorologists of the accuracy of you're forecasts. However the following statement concerns me This because I think in the past that was all that was required. People wanted to know if they had a storm coming this week, or a run of good weather. They didn't have to be somewhere at 2 oclock next friday! It is all that was required in the past. Nowadays the population want to know if it will rain at 2 o'clock next Friday, because they will be doing something. That is a problem which faces all forecasters these days - get it right and no one remembers, get it wrong and everyone remembers. Craig. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 10:22 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. Richard I am satisfied with my hit rate, as must be others as my free ezine list has risen from nothing to over 800 in about a year. The thing is, evaluation is rather subjective. An Auckland secondary school group(St Cuthberts)for a science project studied me for three months and gave me 87%. Others have said 75-80%. Only one group for some reason seem to find my accuracy is low level - meteorologists. It all comes down to what someone calls a dry or wet day. I don't even like to identify days, only trends or 3-4 day windows. If it comes down to a day then I ask for a 24hr potential error, which still ends up as a 3-4 day window. This because I think in the past that was all that was required. People wanted to know if they had a storm coming this week, or a run of good weather. They didn't have to be somewhere at 2 oclock next friday! That's why I try to steer people toward my isobaric maps, which is what I first arrive at in my calculations. After that it comes down to interpretation. When I say maps I mean those from the past that I come up with and can point to and say will probably repeat on a given future day. cheers Ken www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:45 AM Subject: Fw: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > ken, > > i admire your get up and go to LRF, what sort of hit rate have you been > getting? and is your hit rate improving with time? $70 for 1 weeks obs. > whoever plucked that figure out of their backside need to be sacked, thats > dispicable. makes me want to buy 20 years worth and post the whole lot on > the internet. > > regards > richard modistach > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Ring > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > David > > First of all, it doesn't matter to me if I'm taken seriously or not > anymore. > > Enough farmers etc are buying my books and keeping me busy. I answer about > > 20-30 email requests per day for forecasts and quite frankly I would > rather > > not, but it seems there is no where else that will provide it. Not the > > regular metservices, as I'm told, for anything beyond a couple of days > > ahead, and according to a Herald Digipoll taken in my country in 1998, out > > of 663 people questioned, only 37% had any faith in the official > > forecasters, which is rather sad. But you will notice that on the 23rd on > > this forum I forecast shower activity for Sydney and Perth between 27-29, > > clearing by 30th, with a 24hr potential error. There are some who would > find > > that useful but others who would find it something amusing. Then there > would > > be others who would rush to random number generators in order to satisfy > > themselves that I had nothing of value. The point is, I don't have to > > convince anybody of anything. The system is there, I have described it for > > anyone interested and they can take it or leave it. > > > > As to your next point, with respect, I would rather you took the trouble > to > > read what's on my website, so you familiarise yourself with the theory of > > lunar forecasting before I spend hours explaining it. After that we can > get > > into a discussion over the finer points. I find the most vehement critics > > are those who won't bother even looking into it to familiarise themselves > > with where I am coming from, but because they think they are scientists > they > > assume they must be qualified to comment on anything. I realise this is > > left-field, but so have been all the science mavericks from Copernicus > down. > > In fact Galileo, Newton, Franklin, Kepler, Copernicus, Laplace, even > > Flamstead who started the Greenwich Royal Observatory, -men who were the > > founding fathers of modern science - all would have described themselves > as > > astrologers. There is nothing wrong with the unusual and there should be > > always room for new approaches and reform. > > > > I get challenged because I am not a qualified meteorologist, whatever that > > is. But I have never claimed to be one and I don't think meteorology can > > adequately explain weather, which I put down to a mix of maths and > > astronomy. But I do think studying this subject for 27 years, watching the > > moon correlate with weather daily and writing about 8 books on the subject > > makes me somewhat qualified to have an idea or two. It would be an > > unreasonable to expect me to discuss this subject with someone who hasn't > > read anything, written anything nor empirically collected any data that > > related to the moon. > > > > After reading my articles you will see that my thoughts are that our > > rainfall varies from year to year because of a thing called the Nodal > Cycle, > > the phase of the moon is a very small part of what the moon does, nor is > > phase even constant, and there is nothing special about the moon's > behaviour > > other than that it is, like the sun and every other planet, completely > > cyclic, and as, I have discovered, is the weather. > > > > I do think my explanation is detailed, but I can't comment on 'profound', > as > > interpretation is almost certainly in the eye of the beholder. If I say > dry > > and it rains overnight but is a sunny day, one person may say it was a dry > > day and another a wet one. The thing is, if the system works for someone > > then it's a worthy one. You clearly find my conclusions hard to accept re > > August rainfall. I suggest we wait until the month is over before passing > > judgement. If I was way out I'll stand corrected. We all make mistakes - > > that's how we learn. > > > > It seems you are part of the BoM. You have a complete advantage over me in > > that you are paid to do research and have free access to historical data > and > > multimillion dollar equipment. . I'm not. I have no resources and have to > > earn a living doing something else. If I want any obs I have to pay > through > > the absolute nose for it. Like $70 for a week's worth. They screw me and > > it's not right, in my opinion. So I have to rely a lot on newspapers from > > the past. That makes any success that I achieve all the more fantastic. > > best wishes > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Jones" > > To: > > Cc: "David Jones" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:58 AM > > Subject: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > Ken, > > > > > > If you and your non-conventional predictions want to be taken seriously, > > can > > > you please explain. > > > > > > Why, does our rainfall vary from year to year?, given that the phase of > > the > > > moon is a completely regular occurrence, and accordingly to your > > prediction > > > dominant. And, what is so special about the moon's behavior this year > that > > > leads you to believe that the August through November period should only > > get > > > ~110mm of rain in Sydney, an amount that would place it within the > driest > > > 10% of historical observations, and not far from the driest such period > on > > > record. > > > > > > Given the shear desperation of many rural producers currently enduring > > > drought in eastern Australia, I trust you have a very good scientific > > theory > > > to back your profound and detailed predictions. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > Dr David Jones > > > > > > Head Climate Analysis Section > > > National Climate Centre > > > Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 > > > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4085 > > > Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 > > > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:14:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken... "Heat and cold are like pressure and vacuum and forwards and reverse, to me." This is the crux of it. Reverse is negative forward motion, true. But there is no such thing as negative heat or negative pressure. Zero pressure is a vacuum, you can't get less than that. Zero heat is absolute zero, and you can't get less heat than that. There is no such thing as negative excitation of molecules (that we know about at anyway). But as we all know, you can always go faster in either direction when it comes to motion. We have minus signs on the Celcius and farenheit temperature scales merely as a result of the adoption of a convenient reference point, the freezing point of water in the case of Celcius. Regards, John. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:48 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Hi again Richard The trouble is, I think in terms of maths. That's why, to me, +3 and -3 are the same but viewed from different angles. One could say the sign tells something about the operator whilst the value tells something about the result. Heat and cold are like pressure and vacuum and forwards and reverse, to me. When it comes to relative terms like "hot"we are dealing less with science and more with subjectivity, which is not very useful in an emprical sense. But isn't this discussion of heat also subjective? Why pick on the excitation of molecules and say that above a certain arbitrary line the excitation is valid but below it isn't? It seems to me that if one wanted to, one can talk of zero or negative excitation with equal validity, despite what "current science" dictates. You see, I have no truck with a current science that chooses to factor out the moon in all computer weather models! So everything may have to be redefined.. best Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:26 AM Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > hi ken, > > both with heat and pressure the bottom line is energy, the more heat or > pressure, the more energy is stored up, and if this sounds a tad off topic > people then remember that what has been discussed here relates to > atmospherics and the weather, by defalt not by design, lol. technically like > a vaccuum there is no cold, it's simply a relative term we use to describe > less heat starting with no heat at 0K. by the way, dont mix up heat and hot, > heat is an absolute term, hot is relative. > > regards > richard modistach > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Ring > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Thanks Richard, I stand corrected. I suppose wherever there is pull there > is > > also push on the opposite side of the paradime. But isn't that the very > > point? Can you have heat without cold in the same equation? i don't think > > so. Isn't it yin and yang? Surely it all depends on selective focus as to > > what is being described. Perhaps the difficulty has been that heat has > been > > more the focus of science because humans prefer being warm, and so it > seems > > to be more of a valid concept to define. When we talk of temperature we > > think immediately of heat. What do you reckon? > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "richard modistach" > > To: "weather mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:52 AM > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > wrong ken, it's the atmospheric pressure on the other side that powers > the > > > pump like the cornish beam engines that used to pump the mines in > > cornwell. > > > they worked on steam but not like a locomotive where the stean is under > > > pressure, the piston drew the steam from a boiler into a cylinder, a > valve > > > was closed and cold water was sprayed into the cylinder to condence the > > > steam which created a drop in pressure, the atmospheric pressure on the > > > outside then pushed on the piston pushing it back down ready to draw in > > the > > > next charge of steam, these types of engines are known as atmospheric > > > engines and were limited in their performance by the maximum pressure > > > obtainable being a14.7psi or 1 atmosphere whereas steam locomotives > > operated > > > around 15-20 atm.s of pressure from the inside. > > > > > > regards > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ken Ring > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > But a vacuum can power a pump..to my way of thinking it can be > > considered > > > a > > > > force? Negative numbers can be computed in mathematics and behave just > > as > > > > positive numbers do, only with different signs. Are you saying reverse > > > gear > > > > in a car is not really a gear but just a depletion of forward gearing? > > > > ken > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "richard modistach" > > > > To: "weather mailing list" > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:23 PM > > > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > that;'s right john, like there's no such thing as a vaccuum, just a > > lack > > > > of > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John Woodbridge > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:12 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would just like to point out that accepted scientific thought, > > which > > > > has > > > > > > been shown many times over with simple experimentation, is that > Cold > > > is > > > > > > merely absence of Heat. If you take ALL the heat out of an object > > > it's > > > > > > temperature drops to absolue zero, i.e, -273C. or 0K. There is > in > > > fact > > > > > no > > > > > > such thing as Cold as physical entity, only more or less Heat ~ > > which > > > > one > > > > > > may define as the level of excitation of molecules within a > > substance > > > > > > (solid, liquid or gas). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John W. > > > > > > >sbip > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken > Ring > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:19 AM > > > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Craig and all > > > > > > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look > for > > > > where > > > > > > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you > name > > > it. > > > > I > > > > > > would say cold is another concept which has to come from > somewhere. > > > Nor > > > > > can > > > > > > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and > > arguably > > > > > even > > > > > > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with > > the > > > > > > direction in mind that cold travels. > > > > > > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all > > due > > > > > > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those > > > books > > > > > has > > > > > > much to contribute to this discussion. > > > > > > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon > has > > a > > > > > > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona > > > State > > > > > > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global > temps. > > > > Temps > > > > > in > > > > > > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon > and > > > > > coolest > > > > > > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 > > > > synodic > > > > > > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of > the > > > moon > > > > > > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. > > Significant > > > > > > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also > > heats > > > > the > > > > > > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found > > that > > > > the > > > > > > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This > > range > > > of > > > > > > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a > whole. > > It > > > > > shows > > > > > > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon > but > > > the > > > > > > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters > > > Earth's > > > > > > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic > > > radiation. > > > > > > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source > > > refs > > > > I > > > > > > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - > whether > > or > > > > not > > > > > > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it > gets > > > > colder > > > > > > over a 24 hour period. > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > > > your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: full moon Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:22:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken, I was not saying that clouds only occur on about 12 days per month, I was saying that 60% of the time (18 days per month), clouds tend to dissipate at sunset. The other times there is either no clouds to begin with or there is cloud which remains after sundown. In SEQ we would have clouds on around 90% of days throughout a year with a distinct drop during the winter/spring months and a peak in summer/autumn, when it is rare to have a cloud free day. But you are right, a gut feel is not the same as hard figures, so recording is now in progress. Yesterday was 1/8 average cloud cover during the day, and 0/8 at midnight (close to Q3 as you know). And indeed the afternoon cloud (low scattered Cu) dissipated at sunset. Regards, John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:56 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon John It is great to get your opinion. However, empirical obs is better. It may be true where you are that 60% of nights are clearer but I suggest that figures would make for better discussion. With figures one can discuss why they have occurred - but with opinions less easy to discuss why they occurred. 60% - is that high? Not too much over half. You are saying cloud occurs on about 12 days per month. As to noticeability of clouds with or without a full moon, this whole discussion started as an obs that full moon nights are noticeably very cold. That implies no clouds, because clouds hold in the day's heat. As to noting cloud cover at night in your diary, I would commend that and suggest that where you are in SEQ between August 6-9 you can mark C for cloudy over night, possible rain as well. If I am right it should add some cred to lunar forecasting, because that could be 3 correct out of just those 12. best wishes Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: full moon > I would have to say that as a general observation, it is usually much > clearer at night than during the day. In SEQ you can often watch the clouds > dissipate at sunset to leave a clear night and early morning, before clouds > again appear from about mid-morning onwards. This phenomena is easily > explainable in terms of solar heating & convection. This would occur on at > least 60% of all days in SEQ in my estimation. > > I think it is also true to say that on a moonless night presence of clouds > is usually not very noticeable, whereas clouds drifting across a full moon > (or just a full moon with no clouds) is rather more noticeable. > > A moonlit night clearly implies no clouds, which correspondingly implies a > colder night, thus frost is more likely. So the last two folklore adages > are IMHO self evident observations. > > With all due respect Ken, there is no point looking outside on full moon > nights only, without also looking outside on all other nights to have > someting to compare against. I have only noted average daily cloud cover in > my observations notebook to date ~ which relates only to daytime hours, but > I will add in another column for cloud cover at midnight, and see how we go > over the next couple of years. > > John. > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:34 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon > > > I can see that expectancy might play a part here. Best would be to look up > what nights in the future the next full moons are going to be occurring and > circle them in the diary. Then go outside and see if you can see it on those > nights. (Easy to locate: full moon on the day of the full moon is exactly > north at midnight. Or, if you're in the northern hemisphere, always exactly > south at midnight). That would eliminate the "sticking in the head" thing. > But "moon eating clouds" is not the only reference in folklore. There's also > these: > "The full moon grows fat on clouds".(Nautical) > "The weather is generally clearer at the full than at other stages of the > moon, but in winter the frost then is sometimes more intense."(Bacon) > "Moonlit nights have the hardest frosts." > "Clear moon: frost soon"(Scotland) > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Goler" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon > > > > On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Ken Ring wrote: > > > > > The evidence is that Full > > > moon nights are mostly clearer whereas New moon nights are mostly > > > cloudier. if you look up any old weather folklore book you will find a > > > common old mariners' saying that "the full moon eats clouds" so I'd say > > > the effect has been noticed for yonks. > > > > Are there actual numbers to these statements, ie number of clear days > > during full moon compared with new moon??? > > > > Speaking for myself here, a clear night with a full moon always sticks in > > my head more so than a clear night without the moon. Perhaps the > > mariner's statement above is based more on a selective psychological > > interpretation. I mean who mentions anything about a clear sky with just > > stars (besides astronomers), eg lets see how many Victorians/NSW notice > > the clear night tonight with the New Moon around the corner. But put a > > Full Moon in the scene 2 weeks later, and I'm sure people will notice how > > clear the night will be (provided there's a high sitting over them at the > > time). And so, the conclusion that the moon clears skies will naturally > > be arrived at. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > > > Robert A. Goler > > > > School of Mathematical Sciences > > PO Box 28M > > Monash University > > Clayton, Vic 3800 > > Australia > > > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > > email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > > > -- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:49:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John, Zero heat is absolute zero, and you can't get less heat than that. There is no such thing as negative excitation of molecules (that we know about at anyway). Zero temperature is absolute zero i.e. 0 Kelvin. Heat is the energy which flows between a system and it's environment due to a temperature difference between the two. The level of excitation of molecules only impacts on the temperature of a body, not the heat. A body at absolute zero would be a sink for heat, as it can only increase its internal energy, but anything not at 0K can increase or decrease (i.e. positive or negative changes) its heat content (again different from heat). Be very careful about using heat and temperature. They are closely related, but they are different physical quantities. Craig -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of John Woodbridge Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 09:14 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Hi Ken... "Heat and cold are like pressure and vacuum and forwards and reverse, to me." This is the crux of it. Reverse is negative forward motion, true. But there is no such thing as negative heat or negative pressure. Zero pressure is a vacuum, you can't get less than that. Zero heat is absolute zero, and you can't get less heat than that. There is no such thing as negative excitation of molecules (that we know about at anyway). But as we all know, you can always go faster in either direction when it comes to motion. We have minus signs on the Celcius and farenheit temperature scales merely as a result of the adoption of a convenient reference point, the freezing point of water in the case of Celcius. Regards, John. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:48 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Hi again Richard The trouble is, I think in terms of maths. That's why, to me, +3 and -3 are the same but viewed from different angles. One could say the sign tells something about the operator whilst the value tells something about the result. Heat and cold are like pressure and vacuum and forwards and reverse, to me. When it comes to relative terms like "hot"we are dealing less with science and more with subjectivity, which is not very useful in an emprical sense. But isn't this discussion of heat also subjective? Why pick on the excitation of molecules and say that above a certain arbitrary line the excitation is valid but below it isn't? It seems to me that if one wanted to, one can talk of zero or negative excitation with equal validity, despite what "current science" dictates. You see, I have no truck with a current science that chooses to factor out the moon in all computer weather models! So everything may have to be redefined.. best Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:26 AM Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > hi ken, > > both with heat and pressure the bottom line is energy, the more heat or > pressure, the more energy is stored up, and if this sounds a tad off topic > people then remember that what has been discussed here relates to > atmospherics and the weather, by defalt not by design, lol. technically like > a vaccuum there is no cold, it's simply a relative term we use to describe > less heat starting with no heat at 0K. by the way, dont mix up heat and hot, > heat is an absolute term, hot is relative. > > regards > richard modistach > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Ring > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Thanks Richard, I stand corrected. I suppose wherever there is pull there > is > > also push on the opposite side of the paradime. But isn't that the very > > point? Can you have heat without cold in the same equation? i don't think > > so. Isn't it yin and yang? Surely it all depends on selective focus as to > > what is being described. Perhaps the difficulty has been that heat has > been > > more the focus of science because humans prefer being warm, and so it > seems > > to be more of a valid concept to define. When we talk of temperature we > > think immediately of heat. What do you reckon? > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "richard modistach" > > To: "weather mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:52 AM > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > wrong ken, it's the atmospheric pressure on the other side that powers > the > > > pump like the cornish beam engines that used to pump the mines in > > cornwell. > > > they worked on steam but not like a locomotive where the stean is under > > > pressure, the piston drew the steam from a boiler into a cylinder, a > valve > > > was closed and cold water was sprayed into the cylinder to condence the > > > steam which created a drop in pressure, the atmospheric pressure on the > > > outside then pushed on the piston pushing it back down ready to draw in > > the > > > next charge of steam, these types of engines are known as atmospheric > > > engines and were limited in their performance by the maximum pressure > > > obtainable being a14.7psi or 1 atmosphere whereas steam locomotives > > operated > > > around 15-20 atm.s of pressure from the inside. > > > > > > regards > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ken Ring > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > But a vacuum can power a pump..to my way of thinking it can be > > considered > > > a > > > > force? Negative numbers can be computed in mathematics and behave just > > as > > > > positive numbers do, only with different signs. Are you saying reverse > > > gear > > > > in a car is not really a gear but just a depletion of forward gearing? > > > > ken > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "richard modistach" > > > > To: "weather mailing list" > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:23 PM > > > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > that;'s right john, like there's no such thing as a vaccuum, just a > > lack > > > > of > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John Woodbridge > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:12 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would just like to point out that accepted scientific thought, > > which > > > > has > > > > > > been shown many times over with simple experimentation, is that > Cold > > > is > > > > > > merely absence of Heat. If you take ALL the heat out of an object > > > it's > > > > > > temperature drops to absolue zero, i.e, -273C. or 0K. There is > in > > > fact > > > > > no > > > > > > such thing as Cold as physical entity, only more or less Heat ~ > > which > > > > one > > > > > > may define as the level of excitation of molecules within a > > substance > > > > > > (solid, liquid or gas). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John W. > > > > > > >sbip > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken > Ring > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:19 AM > > > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Craig and all > > > > > > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look > for > > > > where > > > > > > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you > name > > > it. > > > > I > > > > > > would say cold is another concept which has to come from > somewhere. > > > Nor > > > > > can > > > > > > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and > > arguably > > > > > even > > > > > > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with > > the > > > > > > direction in mind that cold travels. > > > > > > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all > > due > > > > > > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those > > > books > > > > > has > > > > > > much to contribute to this discussion. > > > > > > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon > has > > a > > > > > > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona > > > State > > > > > > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global > temps. > > > > Temps > > > > > in > > > > > > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon > and > > > > > coolest > > > > > > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 > > > > synodic > > > > > > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of > the > > > moon > > > > > > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. > > Significant > > > > > > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also > > heats > > > > the > > > > > > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found > > that > > > > the > > > > > > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This > > range > > > of > > > > > > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a > whole. > > It > > > > > shows > > > > > > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon > but > > > the > > > > > > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters > > > Earth's > > > > > > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic > > > radiation. > > > > > > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source > > > refs > > > > I > > > > > > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - > whether > > or > > > > not > > > > > > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it > gets > > > > colder > > > > > > over a 24 hour period. > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > > > your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:21:42 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Richard I am satisfied with my hit rate, as must be others as my free ezine list has risen from nothing to over 800 in about a year. The thing is, evaluation is rather subjective. An Auckland secondary school group(St Cuthberts)for a science project studied me for three months and gave me 87%. Others have said 75-80%. Only one group for some reason seem to find my accuracy is low level - meteorologists. It all comes down to what someone calls a dry or wet day. I don't even like to identify days, only trends or 3-4 day windows. If it comes down to a day then I ask for a 24hr potential error, which still ends up as a 3-4 day window. This because I think in the past that was all that was required. People wanted to know if they had a storm coming this week, or a run of good weather. They didn't have to be somewhere at 2 oclock next friday! That's why I try to steer people toward my isobaric maps, which is what I first arrive at in my calculations. After that it comes down to interpretation. When I say maps I mean those from the past that I come up with and can point to and say will probably repeat on a given future day. cheers Ken www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:45 AM Subject: Fw: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > ken, > > i admire your get up and go to LRF, what sort of hit rate have you been > getting? and is your hit rate improving with time? $70 for 1 weeks obs. > whoever plucked that figure out of their backside need to be sacked, thats > dispicable. makes me want to buy 20 years worth and post the whole lot on > the internet. > > regards > richard modistach > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Ring > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > David > > First of all, it doesn't matter to me if I'm taken seriously or not > anymore. > > Enough farmers etc are buying my books and keeping me busy. I answer about > > 20-30 email requests per day for forecasts and quite frankly I would > rather > > not, but it seems there is no where else that will provide it. Not the > > regular metservices, as I'm told, for anything beyond a couple of days > > ahead, and according to a Herald Digipoll taken in my country in 1998, out > > of 663 people questioned, only 37% had any faith in the official > > forecasters, which is rather sad. But you will notice that on the 23rd on > > this forum I forecast shower activity for Sydney and Perth between 27-29, > > clearing by 30th, with a 24hr potential error. There are some who would > find > > that useful but others who would find it something amusing. Then there > would > > be others who would rush to random number generators in order to satisfy > > themselves that I had nothing of value. The point is, I don't have to > > convince anybody of anything. The system is there, I have described it for > > anyone interested and they can take it or leave it. > > > > As to your next point, with respect, I would rather you took the trouble > to > > read what's on my website, so you familiarise yourself with the theory of > > lunar forecasting before I spend hours explaining it. After that we can > get > > into a discussion over the finer points. I find the most vehement critics > > are those who won't bother even looking into it to familiarise themselves > > with where I am coming from, but because they think they are scientists > they > > assume they must be qualified to comment on anything. I realise this is > > left-field, but so have been all the science mavericks from Copernicus > down. > > In fact Galileo, Newton, Franklin, Kepler, Copernicus, Laplace, even > > Flamstead who started the Greenwich Royal Observatory, -men who were the > > founding fathers of modern science - all would have described themselves > as > > astrologers. There is nothing wrong with the unusual and there should be > > always room for new approaches and reform. > > > > I get challenged because I am not a qualified meteorologist, whatever that > > is. But I have never claimed to be one and I don't think meteorology can > > adequately explain weather, which I put down to a mix of maths and > > astronomy. But I do think studying this subject for 27 years, watching the > > moon correlate with weather daily and writing about 8 books on the subject > > makes me somewhat qualified to have an idea or two. It would be an > > unreasonable to expect me to discuss this subject with someone who hasn't > > read anything, written anything nor empirically collected any data that > > related to the moon. > > > > After reading my articles you will see that my thoughts are that our > > rainfall varies from year to year because of a thing called the Nodal > Cycle, > > the phase of the moon is a very small part of what the moon does, nor is > > phase even constant, and there is nothing special about the moon's > behaviour > > other than that it is, like the sun and every other planet, completely > > cyclic, and as, I have discovered, is the weather. > > > > I do think my explanation is detailed, but I can't comment on 'profound', > as > > interpretation is almost certainly in the eye of the beholder. If I say > dry > > and it rains overnight but is a sunny day, one person may say it was a dry > > day and another a wet one. The thing is, if the system works for someone > > then it's a worthy one. You clearly find my conclusions hard to accept re > > August rainfall. I suggest we wait until the month is over before passing > > judgement. If I was way out I'll stand corrected. We all make mistakes - > > that's how we learn. > > > > It seems you are part of the BoM. You have a complete advantage over me in > > that you are paid to do research and have free access to historical data > and > > multimillion dollar equipment. . I'm not. I have no resources and have to > > earn a living doing something else. If I want any obs I have to pay > through > > the absolute nose for it. Like $70 for a week's worth. They screw me and > > it's not right, in my opinion. So I have to rely a lot on newspapers from > > the past. That makes any success that I achieve all the more fantastic. > > best wishes > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Jones" > > To: > > Cc: "David Jones" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:58 AM > > Subject: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > Ken, > > > > > > If you and your non-conventional predictions want to be taken seriously, > > can > > > you please explain. > > > > > > Why, does our rainfall vary from year to year?, given that the phase of > > the > > > moon is a completely regular occurrence, and accordingly to your > > prediction > > > dominant. And, what is so special about the moon's behavior this year > that > > > leads you to believe that the August through November period should only > > get > > > ~110mm of rain in Sydney, an amount that would place it within the > driest > > > 10% of historical observations, and not far from the driest such period > on > > > record. > > > > > > Given the shear desperation of many rural producers currently enduring > > > drought in eastern Australia, I trust you have a very good scientific > > theory > > > to back your profound and detailed predictions. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > Dr David Jones > > > > > > Head Climate Analysis Section > > > National Climate Centre > > > Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 > > > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4085 > > > Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 > > > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:47:52 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi again Richard The trouble is, I think in terms of maths. That's why, to me, +3 and -3 are the same but viewed from different angles. One could say the sign tells something about the operator whilst the value tells something about the result. Heat and cold are like pressure and vacuum and forwards and reverse, to me. When it comes to relative terms like "hot"we are dealing less with science and more with subjectivity, which is not very useful in an emprical sense. But isn't this discussion of heat also subjective? Why pick on the excitation of molecules and say that above a certain arbitrary line the excitation is valid but below it isn't? It seems to me that if one wanted to, one can talk of zero or negative excitation with equal validity, despite what "current science" dictates. You see, I have no truck with a current science that chooses to factor out the moon in all computer weather models! So everything may have to be redefined.. best Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:26 AM Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > hi ken, > > both with heat and pressure the bottom line is energy, the more heat or > pressure, the more energy is stored up, and if this sounds a tad off topic > people then remember that what has been discussed here relates to > atmospherics and the weather, by defalt not by design, lol. technically like > a vaccuum there is no cold, it's simply a relative term we use to describe > less heat starting with no heat at 0K. by the way, dont mix up heat and hot, > heat is an absolute term, hot is relative. > > regards > richard modistach > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Ring > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Thanks Richard, I stand corrected. I suppose wherever there is pull there > is > > also push on the opposite side of the paradime. But isn't that the very > > point? Can you have heat without cold in the same equation? i don't think > > so. Isn't it yin and yang? Surely it all depends on selective focus as to > > what is being described. Perhaps the difficulty has been that heat has > been > > more the focus of science because humans prefer being warm, and so it > seems > > to be more of a valid concept to define. When we talk of temperature we > > think immediately of heat. What do you reckon? > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "richard modistach" > > To: "weather mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:52 AM > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > wrong ken, it's the atmospheric pressure on the other side that powers > the > > > pump like the cornish beam engines that used to pump the mines in > > cornwell. > > > they worked on steam but not like a locomotive where the stean is under > > > pressure, the piston drew the steam from a boiler into a cylinder, a > valve > > > was closed and cold water was sprayed into the cylinder to condence the > > > steam which created a drop in pressure, the atmospheric pressure on the > > > outside then pushed on the piston pushing it back down ready to draw in > > the > > > next charge of steam, these types of engines are known as atmospheric > > > engines and were limited in their performance by the maximum pressure > > > obtainable being a14.7psi or 1 atmosphere whereas steam locomotives > > operated > > > around 15-20 atm.s of pressure from the inside. > > > > > > regards > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ken Ring > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > But a vacuum can power a pump..to my way of thinking it can be > > considered > > > a > > > > force? Negative numbers can be computed in mathematics and behave just > > as > > > > positive numbers do, only with different signs. Are you saying reverse > > > gear > > > > in a car is not really a gear but just a depletion of forward gearing? > > > > ken > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "richard modistach" > > > > To: "weather mailing list" > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:23 PM > > > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > that;'s right john, like there's no such thing as a vaccuum, just a > > lack > > > > of > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John Woodbridge > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:12 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would just like to point out that accepted scientific thought, > > which > > > > has > > > > > > been shown many times over with simple experimentation, is that > Cold > > > is > > > > > > merely absence of Heat. If you take ALL the heat out of an object > > > it's > > > > > > temperature drops to absolue zero, i.e, -273C. or 0K. There is > in > > > fact > > > > > no > > > > > > such thing as Cold as physical entity, only more or less Heat ~ > > which > > > > one > > > > > > may define as the level of excitation of molecules within a > > substance > > > > > > (solid, liquid or gas). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John W. > > > > > > >sbip > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken > Ring > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:19 AM > > > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Craig and all > > > > > > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look > for > > > > where > > > > > > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you > name > > > it. > > > > I > > > > > > would say cold is another concept which has to come from > somewhere. > > > Nor > > > > > can > > > > > > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and > > arguably > > > > > even > > > > > > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with > > the > > > > > > direction in mind that cold travels. > > > > > > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all > > due > > > > > > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those > > > books > > > > > has > > > > > > much to contribute to this discussion. > > > > > > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon > has > > a > > > > > > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona > > > State > > > > > > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global > temps. > > > > Temps > > > > > in > > > > > > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon > and > > > > > coolest > > > > > > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 > > > > synodic > > > > > > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of > the > > > moon > > > > > > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. > > Significant > > > > > > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also > > heats > > > > the > > > > > > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found > > that > > > > the > > > > > > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This > > range > > > of > > > > > > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a > whole. > > It > > > > > shows > > > > > > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon > but > > > the > > > > > > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters > > > Earth's > > > > > > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic > > > radiation. > > > > > > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source > > > refs > > > > I > > > > > > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - > whether > > or > > > > not > > > > > > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it > gets > > > > colder > > > > > > over a 24 hour period. > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > > > your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: FUNNEL CLOUDS Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:07:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 01:09:35.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[19951240:01C238F8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
hi Arky.
Some of the more dangerous tornadoes I have seen on video  had no visible funnels at certain stages in their development, some rating as high as f 2, here in Australia I have also seen photo's of tornadoes with no visible condensation funnel.If the ground is rather dry then the first signs of touch down is dust or light ground material being visible, if there is enough dust the tornado can become very visible, but instead of the visible tube extending from the cloud there is an appearance of the tornado growing from the ground up to the cloud base, if the ground is rather moist then the funnel may remain almost invisible if a condensation funnel does not develop. One of the best severe weather books available is titled Spacious Skys by A Verkaik and R Scorer although out of print you may be able to pick up a copy 2nd hand or a left over in a book shop somewhere. regards Clyve Herbert.
PS At the opposite end of the scale in regards to condensation funnels I have seen video of a tornado producing a condensation funnel from cloud base to ground in just over one second!.
----- Original Message -----
From: arky dave
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:33 PM
Subject: aus-wx: FUNNEL CLOUDS

G'Winter to All:
         My question would be: Would non-ground contacting funnel clouds produce much damage? I ask this due to the fact I heard the funnels that hit Mena on NOV. 13, 1993, never actually touched the ground. I myself didn't ever see the funnels(2 of them). From looking/piccing the damage in town, it it hard for me to believe that they stayed aloft.
         Hopefully, SOON, I will get help to get a link constructed so my weather pics can be viewed.
WARM thoughts for ALL!           Yours           David Powell
From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:10:34 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Richard Yes, i know, and i hope you don't think I'm arguing just for the sake of it. But I think there IS negative heat and negative pressure, that which we call COLD and vacuum. Perhaps the trouble is in the reference line, which is largely based on our own experience of our physical senses. For example, what would a polar bear call hot? Probably zero degrees! If instead of setting the useful base point at our own idea of zero we set it midway we could then come closer to labelling cold as a force and not just defining it as the absence of its opposite. What do you reckon? ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hi Ken... > > "Heat and cold are like pressure and vacuum and forwards and reverse, > to me." > > This is the crux of it. Reverse is negative forward motion, true. But > there is no such thing as negative heat or negative pressure. Zero pressure > is a vacuum, you can't get less than that. Zero heat is absolute zero, and > you can't get less heat than that. There is no such thing as negative > excitation of molecules (that we know about at anyway). But as we all know, > you can always go faster in either direction when it comes to motion. We > have minus signs on the Celcius and farenheit temperature scales merely as a > result of the adoption of a convenient reference point, the freezing point > of water in the case of Celcius. > > Regards, > John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:48 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Hi again Richard > The trouble is, I think in terms of maths. That's why, to me, +3 and -3 are > the same but viewed from different angles. One could say the sign tells > something about the operator whilst the value tells something about the > result. Heat and cold are like pressure and vacuum and forwards and reverse, > to me. When it comes to relative terms like "hot"we are dealing less with > science and more with subjectivity, which is not very useful in an emprical > sense. But isn't this discussion of heat also subjective? Why pick on the > excitation of molecules and say that above a certain arbitrary line the > excitation is valid but below it isn't? It seems to me that if one wanted > to, one can talk of zero or negative excitation with equal validity, despite > what "current science" dictates. You see, I have no truck with a current > science that chooses to factor out the moon in all computer weather models! > So everything may have to be redefined.. > best > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "richard modistach" > To: "weather mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:26 AM > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > hi ken, > > > > both with heat and pressure the bottom line is energy, the more heat or > > pressure, the more energy is stored up, and if this sounds a tad off topic > > people then remember that what has been discussed here relates to > > atmospherics and the weather, by defalt not by design, lol. technically > like > > a vaccuum there is no cold, it's simply a relative term we use to describe > > less heat starting with no heat at 0K. by the way, dont mix up heat and > hot, > > heat is an absolute term, hot is relative. > > > > regards > > richard modistach > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken Ring > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:27 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > Thanks Richard, I stand corrected. I suppose wherever there is pull > there > > is > > > also push on the opposite side of the paradime. But isn't that the very > > > point? Can you have heat without cold in the same equation? i don't > think > > > so. Isn't it yin and yang? Surely it all depends on selective focus as > to > > > what is being described. Perhaps the difficulty has been that heat has > > been > > > more the focus of science because humans prefer being warm, and so it > > seems > > > to be more of a valid concept to define. When we talk of temperature we > > > think immediately of heat. What do you reckon? > > > Ken > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "richard modistach" > > > To: "weather mailing list" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:52 AM > > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > wrong ken, it's the atmospheric pressure on the other side that powers > > the > > > > pump like the cornish beam engines that used to pump the mines in > > > cornwell. > > > > they worked on steam but not like a locomotive where the stean is > under > > > > pressure, the piston drew the steam from a boiler into a cylinder, a > > valve > > > > was closed and cold water was sprayed into the cylinder to condence > the > > > > steam which created a drop in pressure, the atmospheric pressure on > the > > > > outside then pushed on the piston pushing it back down ready to draw > in > > > the > > > > next charge of steam, these types of engines are known as atmospheric > > > > engines and were limited in their performance by the maximum pressure > > > > obtainable being a14.7psi or 1 atmosphere whereas steam locomotives > > > operated > > > > around 15-20 atm.s of pressure from the inside. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Ken Ring > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a vacuum can power a pump..to my way of thinking it can be > > > considered > > > > a > > > > > force? Negative numbers can be computed in mathematics and behave > just > > > as > > > > > positive numbers do, only with different signs. Are you saying > reverse > > > > gear > > > > > in a car is not really a gear but just a depletion of forward > gearing? > > > > > ken > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "richard modistach" > > > > > To: "weather mailing list" > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:23 PM > > > > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that;'s right john, like there's no such thing as a vaccuum, just > a > > > lack > > > > > of > > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: John Woodbridge > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:12 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would just like to point out that accepted scientific thought, > > > which > > > > > has > > > > > > > been shown many times over with simple experimentation, is that > > Cold > > > > is > > > > > > > merely absence of Heat. If you take ALL the heat out of an > object > > > > it's > > > > > > > temperature drops to absolue zero, i.e, -273C. or 0K. There is > > in > > > > fact > > > > > > no > > > > > > > such thing as Cold as physical entity, only more or less Heat ~ > > > which > > > > > one > > > > > > > may define as the level of excitation of molecules within a > > > substance > > > > > > > (solid, liquid or gas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > John W. > > > > > > > >sbip > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken > > Ring > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:19 AM > > > > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Craig and all > > > > > > > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look > > for > > > > > where > > > > > > > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you > > name > > > > it. > > > > > I > > > > > > > would say cold is another concept which has to come from > > somewhere. > > > > Nor > > > > > > can > > > > > > > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and > > > arguably > > > > > > even > > > > > > > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed > with > > > the > > > > > > > direction in mind that cold travels. > > > > > > > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with > all > > > due > > > > > > > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to > those > > > > books > > > > > > has > > > > > > > much to contribute to this discussion. > > > > > > > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon > > has > > > a > > > > > > > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 > Balling(Arizona > > > > State > > > > > > > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global > > temps. > > > > > Temps > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon > > and > > > > > > coolest > > > > > > > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than > 200 > > > > > synodic > > > > > > > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of > > the > > > > moon > > > > > > > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. > > > Significant > > > > > > > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also > > > heats > > > > > the > > > > > > > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they > found > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This > > > range > > > > of > > > > > > > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a > > whole. > > > It > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon > > but > > > > the > > > > > > > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters > > > > Earth's > > > > > > > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic > > > > radiation. > > > > > > > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants > source > > > > refs > > > > > I > > > > > > > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - > > whether > > > or > > > > > not > > > > > > > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it > > gets > > > > > colder > > > > > > > over a 24 hour period. > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > body > > of > > > > > your > > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > > > your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Damian" To: Subject: aus-wx: July averages Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
For my back garden in Sydney's Northern suburbs I recorded an average July maximum temperature of 17.3 degrees. 
Average July minimum temperature of 2.7 degrees & 21.35 mm of rain.
 
Check out the day to day statistics at:
 
From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: "Aussie weather" Subject: aus-wx: Strahan Weather Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:05:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello Everyone
 
Rainfall for July is a Strahan record, 350mm about twice the average 180mm.
 
David
Visible flight rules minimum visibility in Australia is 5000m so visibility greater than 10km is of little concern.
Other countries have lower minimum visibility for visual flight eg Canada but I cannot remember what it is.
With lower than 5000m visibility you must be capable of flying by instruments and carry the fuel required if flight to alternate aerodromes is required.
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
 
X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:00:04 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 05:00:05.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CE9E330:01C23918] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
in case anyone is as interested as i am in this on going debate, here's a link to a recent story on the ABC web site.


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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:49:40 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good story. So do you suppose some wag will suggest that Babinda should erect an eight metre golden brolly? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:00:04 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate >
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Hello and Best Wishes to ALL:
         As earlier stated, I subscribe to the ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE newspaper. The world temps. are forecasts. Today,(Wednesday, July 31) the forecast for Auckland, NZ was partly cloudy, HIGH of 56F(13.3C)LOW of 47F(8.3C). for Sydney, AUS was partly cloudy, HIGH of 62F(16.6C) LOW of 48F(8.8C), for Hong Kong was thundershowers, HIGH of 87F(30.5C) LOW of 78F(25.5C).
          My question is: Just where do these forecast figures come from? Do these figures come from ya'll or are they forecasted from the US? To simplify, who generates these forecast numbers?(how do they get into our newspaper?)
Just wondering          G'DAY         David Powell
From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:07:17 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C238F5.927B6AE0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hello and Best Wishes to ALL: > As earlier stated, I subscribe to the ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE = > newspaper. The world temps. are forecasts. Today,(Wednesday, July 31) = > the forecast for Auckland, NZ was partly cloudy, HIGH of 56F(13.3C)LOW = > of 47F(8.3C). for Sydney, AUS was partly cloudy, HIGH of 62F(16.6C) LOW = > of 48F(8.8C), for Hong Kong was thundershowers, HIGH of 87F(30.5C) LOW = > of 78F(25.5C). > My question is: Just where do these forecast figures come = > from? Do these figures come from ya'll or are they forecasted from the = > US? To simplify, who generates these forecast numbers?(how do they get = > into our newspaper?) They're almost certainly from a US-based provider, probably based on model output. These are better than they once were - you used to see some which were downright embarrassing (I recall once seeing one which forecast a max of 4 for Canberra in December) - but still prone to inaccuracies, especially in areas where the grid which the forecast is based on is too coarse to pick up local climate variations. On my recent trip to Canada I noticed that the 'Globe and Mail' (the major national Canadian newspaper) was carrying 4-day forecasts for a number of international centres, including Sydney. On a couple of days the forecast was for a minimum of -1 or -2 (this was in the middle of the cold spell in mid-July). I'd guess that this was a model forecast for a 'Sydney basin' gridpoint (-1 or -2 would have been realistic for a 'basin average' on the days when it was getting down to -5 or -6 in the outer west, but was clearly extremely unlikely for Observatory Hill). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:10:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well..., I just think the guy who used to fiddle the rainfall readings for Innisfail has moved to Babinda. Then again, maybe the guage is just a bit to accessible to the boys staggering out of Babinda pub on a Staurday night... John. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:50 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate Good story. So do you suppose some wag will suggest that Babinda should erect an eight metre golden brolly? Phil +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:42:38 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Well..., > > I just think the guy who used to fiddle the rainfall readings for Innisfail > has moved to Babinda. Then again, maybe the guage is just a bit to > accessible to the boys staggering out of Babinda pub on a Staurday night... > > John. From memory, which of Tully and Babinda is the wetter depends on averaging period (you get one answer if you use all years of record and a different one if you use a standard 1961-90 normal). Mind you, Bellenden Ker (and Topaz for that matter) leave both of them for dead. I'm not going to lose too much sleep over this one (on the other hand, if Cloncurry decides to erect a Big Thermometer then I might have to go up there with a truck one night and relocate it to Oodnadatta where it belongs :-) Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.221.136.103] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:29:00 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 07:29:00.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AE34A10:01C2392D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal energy as has already been noted) Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to another Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the AVERAGE kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can have gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative momentum changes on a surface. Just my thoughts. The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more knowledgeable people to debate... 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Hello Everyone
 
Rainfall for July is a Strahan record, 350mm about twice the average 180mm.
 
... and the opposite applies as you go north! Not a single drop at Repton (or Coffs Harbour I'd say) - 0mm since 15th June and then there was only 5mm. Some cloud lately though and rising humidity so the frosts have taken a hike. If it doesn't rain much before the 'hot' weather arrives we'll need those firefighters back from the States and a few planeloads of Arky's mates too!! The old timers reckon it's about as bad as it gets up here. I think the Tweed is even worse off.
 
Peter
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Lightning Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:53:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Some very weak flashes seen to the east of me and well away at 6.50pm. The clouds "puffed" up here the best I've seen for a long time, but not quite "puffy" enough :-( No rainfall as yet.
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:27:55 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Sunset Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:38 PM 31/07/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Evening all, > >A nice sunset in Melbourne tonight (a series of 5 images halfway down >the page) >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/winter02.htm Very nice. I had a spectacular sunset in the western suburbs, but still lacking a decent camera. :-( 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:13:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Arky, I agree with Blair that these must be from a US provider using model data and no local knowledge.
 
I was considering putting up one of those weather banner things on my homepage, but the temperatures for my hometown of Wollongong in winter were always undercooked by 2 to 3C.
 
For example today Sydney reached 21C, about 4C higher than the quoted figure.
----- Original Message -----
From: arky dave
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO

Hello and Best Wishes to ALL:
         As earlier stated, I subscribe to the ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE newspaper. The world temps. are forecasts. Today,(Wednesday, July 31) the forecast for Auckland, NZ was partly cloudy, HIGH of 56F(13.3C)LOW of 47F(8.3C). for Sydney, AUS was partly cloudy, HIGH of 62F(16.6C) LOW of 48F(8.8C), for Hong Kong was thundershowers, HIGH of 87F(30.5C) LOW of 78F(25.5C).
          My question is: Just where do these forecast figures come from? Do these figures come from ya'll or are they forecasted from the US? To simplify, who generates these forecast numbers?(how do they get into our newspaper?)
Just wondering          G'DAY         David Powell
From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:56:24 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin and all Am I the only Deluded One? Seems like I am! But I want to get to the bottom of this! So purely for my OWN satisfaction I did a search of physics sites. I found some interesting stuff, which indicates to me that in talking about heat and cold we could be all having a word quibble. Maybe the disagreement is just a loose definition. The trouble is, I did the Laws of Thermodynamics too at school but was never fully happy with them. So I went on Ask Jeeves and asked about heating and cooling. Here's what I got. 1. "When examining systems, scientists measure a number called the TEMPERATURE GRADIENT. It's the change in temperature divided by the distance. The units are degrees per centimeter. If the temperature is dropping over a specific distance, the gradient is a negative value. If the temperature goes up... Positive value. ." (Sounds to me from this statement that the writer thinks heating and cooling have equal mathematical importance here..) 2. "Warm air rises and cold air replaces it. The heat has moved.." (But then hasn't the cold also moved? Otherwise the heat couldn't have moved. And I always thought 'replaces' was a verb. Therefore, by the rules of English the cold did move too. No?). 3. From the Dictionary of Etymology..the word "cold" comes from "gel" meaning to form a ball and to freeze. Derivations are many, amongst them chill, cloud, glacier, glue and globe. I think a definite reference to increase in viscosity is therefore implied, and so a definite movement between physical states(There is no reference to cold being defined as the opposite of heat). On the other hand, the word "heat" comes from kai which just means heat and hot. 'Transfer of thermal energy' doesn't mean anything. If you look up 'thermal' you get 'gwher-' which just means..to heat! So not much help, just tautology. But look up "temperature" and it says 'the degree of hotness or coldness of a body or environment. A specific degree or hotness or coldness as indicated on or referred to a standard scale.." So I have to say in my mind cold seems to still be its own man! cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Phyland" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:29 PM Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > Hi every1, > > Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... > > There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal energy > as has already been noted) > > Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to > another > > Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the AVERAGE > kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can have > gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) > > Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative momentum > changes on a surface. > > Just my thoughts. > > The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more > knowledgeable people to debate... > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.220.168.243] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:56:40 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 11:56:40.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F512100:01C23952] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I wasn't gonna bother with this, since semantically it's picking gnat-shit out of pepper, but... using a dictionary definition for a physical quantity is fraught with danger. If I look up heat in my dictionary I might also find that it means estrous etc... the term "heat" has been misused (even in the scientific community) for many years. It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - any decent physics text will tell you so... also...using ancient linguistic etymology is similarly fraught with peril. i.e. do you know the source of the word "lunatic"? finally (for now), the fact that you don't like the laws of thermodynamics is neither here nor there. If for instance I decided that I didn't like Newton's Laws it wouldn't count one iota if I jumped off the top of the Rialto in defiance...if you have a serious problem with the physics offer an alternative set of precepts, don't just click your fingers and pretend to be invisible.. Kevin from Wycheproof (somewhere on THIS planet) >From: "Ken Ring" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:56:24 +1200 > >Hi Kevin and all >Am I the only Deluded One? Seems like I am! But I want to get to the bottom >of this! So purely for my OWN satisfaction I did a search of physics sites. >I found some interesting stuff, which indicates to me that in talking about >heat and cold we could be all having a word quibble. Maybe the disagreement >is just a loose definition. The trouble is, I did the Laws of >Thermodynamics >too at school but was never fully happy with them. So I went on Ask Jeeves >and asked about heating and cooling. Here's what I got. > >1. "When examining systems, scientists measure a number called the >TEMPERATURE GRADIENT. It's the change in temperature divided by the >distance. The units are degrees per centimeter. If the temperature is >dropping over a specific distance, the gradient is a negative value. If the >temperature goes up... Positive value. ." >(Sounds to me from this statement that the writer thinks heating and >cooling >have equal mathematical importance here..) > >2. "Warm air rises and cold air replaces it. The heat has moved.." >(But then hasn't the cold also moved? Otherwise the heat couldn't have >moved. And I always thought 'replaces' was a verb. Therefore, by the rules >of English the cold did move too. No?). > >3. From the Dictionary of Etymology..the word "cold" comes from "gel" >meaning to form a ball and to freeze. Derivations are many, amongst them >chill, cloud, glacier, glue and globe. I think a definite reference to >increase in viscosity is therefore implied, and so a definite movement >between physical states(There is no reference to cold being defined as the >opposite of heat). On the other hand, the word "heat" comes from kai which >just means heat and hot. 'Transfer of thermal energy' doesn't mean >anything. >If you look up 'thermal' you get 'gwher-' which just means..to heat! So not >much help, just tautology. But look up "temperature" and it says 'the >degree >of hotness or coldness of a body or environment. A specific degree or >hotness or coldness as indicated on or referred to a standard scale.." >So I have to say in my mind cold seems to still be its own man! >cheers >Ken > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Phyland" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:29 PM >Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > > Hi every1, > > > > Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... > > > > There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal >energy > > as has already been noted) > > > > Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to > > another > > > > Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the >AVERAGE > > kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can >have > > gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) > > > > Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative >momentum > > changes on a surface. > > > > Just my thoughts. > > > > The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more > > knowledgeable people to debate... > > > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:07:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green lightning - not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:24:16 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com not just one flash? all 2 of them hey ? go melbourne storms in winter :P Matt Jane ONeill wrote: > Evening all, > > Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green lightning - > not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > > Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:25:15 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Perhaps hail?? Jimmy Deguara At 10:07 PM 1/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Evening all, > >Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green lightning - >not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > >Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! > >Jane > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:29:14 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 X-Davsoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id IAA02606 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:07, Jane ONeill entered data into a CPU register that inidcated: > Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green lightning - > not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > > Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! You haven't got green coloured glasses on have you? :-P Photos? David - -- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCC d- s:-- a--- C++ UL++++ P+++ L+++ E- W++ N++ o- K- w-- O-- M+ V-- PS PE Y+ PGP+++ t+ 5-- X-- R- tv- b++ DI++++ D--- G e h! !r y- - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9SSmaZOfFgbBAbXARAuhtAJ9WMN7tQA9YIVolhUuNiEEeMhVtPQCfXvAZ UdpTnk06fq9fhY3G5PFbCBE= =NCzk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:29:14 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 X-Davsoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id IAA02606 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:07, Jane ONeill entered data into a CPU register that inidcated: > Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green lightning - > not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > > Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! You haven't got green coloured glasses on have you? :-P Photos? David - -- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCC d- s:-- a--- C++ UL++++ P+++ L+++ E- W++ N++ o- K- w-- O-- M+ V-- PS PE Y+ PGP+++ t+ 5-- X-- R- tv- b++ DI++++ D--- G e h! !r y- - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9SSmaZOfFgbBAbXARAuhtAJ9WMN7tQA9YIVolhUuNiEEeMhVtPQCfXvAZ UdpTnk06fq9fhY3G5PFbCBE= =NCzk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:37:55 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: aus-wx: Short chase, Melbourne Aug 1 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just got back from a short (approx 40 mins) chase. Was alerted to approaching storms by the gang on #weather, and from the radar, anticipated it would be a short drive to the western suburbs. Experience, and the direction the cell was moving suggested that it would hit Maidstone pretty hard. I headed for the Western Ring Rd, with the expectation of passing just behind the storm, and encountered light rain in East Keilor, which became heavy by the time I crossed the Maribyrnong River to Nth Sunshine. Another minute or so later, the rain turned to hail, and the visibility dropped to 100m. I was forced to stop just past the Furlong Rd on ramp for 5 minutes, with 50m visibility from 0.5cm hail (no wonder the radar was red ;) ). Lightning was CCs every 10 seconds or so, mostly high up (and rather difficult to see at this stage :) ). The hail cleared after about 5 minutes, and the rain rapidly eased afterwards. I turned off the freeway at Ballarat Rd, and headed east to follow the storm back towards the city, staying on the rear flank. Lots of impressive CCs every several seconds (I need a decent camera :( ). Turned off at Maidstone to return home, and encountered hail drifts a few cm deep. Driving was rather dangerous and one had to keep below 20 km/h to stay on the road (I was right in that Maidstone would cop this one :) ). On the return trip, more hail was sighted on the ground in Avondale Heights, though nowhere near as much as in Maidstone. No pics, and I wasn't able to stream audio from the radio live (that would have been a hoot as well) :( Looking for a new streaming audio provider. :( 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:40:01 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:07 PM 1/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Evening all, > >Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green lightning - >not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > >Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! Was "normal" white on the western suburbs. Speaking of green, Macca, did you ever get those green lightning pics from March sorted out? I just posted a report on my minor chase. :-) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Debbie Parker" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:44:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Woo Hoo!! Currently hailing in Boronia (Melbourne) - only 1-2 mm at present but it started off with some of the biggest raindrops I've ever seen. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Aussie-wx Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > Evening all, > > Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green lightning - > not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > > Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:55:56 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:25 PM 1/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Perhaps hail?? Quite possibly. I encountered the cell in Nth Sunshine and precipitation was mostly hail at that stage. On the radar, it looked like it re-intensified over the eastern suburbs and the radar was showing solid red, somewhat more red than my earlier encounter. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sea sick lightning Mel. Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:42:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 13:44:17.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[87BB5F90:01C23961] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
I was just arriving at Flinders st station a few minutes before a small but intense cell moved across the CBD at around 10pm. this cell was preceded by a nice outflow cloud line with a bit of a curve to it, but what followed was something I had never seen before, lightning was rather unusual, very short and sharp discharges and very bright, but the astounding aspect was the colour, a definite green, not just one but most of the discharges around the CBD were green. The green colour was very vivid so how do we explain this....was the lightning being refracted by the falling precipitation? or was the lightning very hot! (refer to colour of the stars i.e. very hot green, hot blue,  not so hot white and so on). Anyway I think I will spend most of the night checking any other occurrence of such a phenomena.....regards Clyve H.
From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sea sick lightning Mel. Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:42:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 13:44:17.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[87BB5F90:01C23961] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
I was just arriving at Flinders st station a few minutes before a small but intense cell moved across the CBD at around 10pm. this cell was preceded by a nice outflow cloud line with a bit of a curve to it, but what followed was something I had never seen before, lightning was rather unusual, very short and sharp discharges and very bright, but the astounding aspect was the colour, a definite green, not just one but most of the discharges around the CBD were green. The green colour was very vivid so how do we explain this....was the lightning being refracted by the falling precipitation? or was the lightning very hot! (refer to colour of the stars i.e. very hot green, hot blue,  not so hot white and so on). Anyway I think I will spend most of the night checking any other occurrence of such a phenomena.....regards Clyve H.
From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:52:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin, Curiously when I look up the word Heat in my dictionary (Concise Oxford) it is a noun and defined thus: The quality of being hot; high temperature > Physics: Heat seen as a form of energy arising from the random motion of the molecules of bodies. Looking in my venerable tertiary Physics text (Resnick & Halliday) with regard to Heat and the 1st Law of thermodynamics, it defines Heat "as a form of energy" and as such, it is quite clearly a noun. It also goes on to mention that the transfer of energy arising from a temperature difference between adjacent parts of a body is called "heat conduction", which once again infers Heat as a thing, i.e., a noun. Heat is not the same thing as temperature, because different materials require a different amount of heat (i.e, energy) to raise them to the same temperature, from which the concept of "specific heat" arises as a method to measure this property of a material. So I stand by my original comment, i.e., a body which contains no heat at all must be at absolute zero. Regards, John W. >snip ... using a dictionary definition for a physical quantity is fraught with danger. If I look up heat in my dictionary I might also find that it means estrous etc... the term "heat" has been misused (even in the scientific community) for many years. It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - any decent physics text will tell you so... ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:52:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin, Curiously when I look up the word Heat in my dictionary (Concise Oxford) it is a noun and defined thus: The quality of being hot; high temperature > Physics: Heat seen as a form of energy arising from the random motion of the molecules of bodies. Looking in my venerable tertiary Physics text (Resnick & Halliday) with regard to Heat and the 1st Law of thermodynamics, it defines Heat "as a form of energy" and as such, it is quite clearly a noun. It also goes on to mention that the transfer of energy arising from a temperature difference between adjacent parts of a body is called "heat conduction", which once again infers Heat as a thing, i.e., a noun. Heat is not the same thing as temperature, because different materials require a different amount of heat (i.e, energy) to raise them to the same temperature, from which the concept of "specific heat" arises as a method to measure this property of a material. So I stand by my original comment, i.e., a body which contains no heat at all must be at absolute zero. Regards, John W. >snip ... using a dictionary definition for a physical quantity is fraught with danger. If I look up heat in my dictionary I might also find that it means estrous etc... the term "heat" has been misused (even in the scientific community) for many years. It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - any decent physics text will tell you so... ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:49:47 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com High at HKO today was 31.5C minimum was 25.8 and there hasn't been a sign of a thunderstorm although they have been non-stop all week up to yesterday. K-Index was 38 (85% possibility of thunderstorms) all day and dropped to 36 (82% possibility) tonight. HKO still has a temp of 29.4C RH 81% giving a Heat Index of 36.1C. I agree with Blair and Michael - someone in the States does the figures and while they are a lot better now than they used to be they still often miss by quite a bit. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Thompson" To: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:13:32 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO > Hi Arky, I agree with Blair that these must be from a US provider using > model data and no local knowledge. > > I was considering putting up one of those weather banner things on my > homepage, but the temperatures for my hometown of Wollongong in winter > were always undercooked by 2 to 3C. > > For example today Sydney reached 21C, about 4C higher than the quoted > figure. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: arky dave > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:51 PM > Subject: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO > > > Hello and Best Wishes to ALL: > As earlier stated, I subscribe to the ARKANSAS > DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE newspaper. The world temps. are forecasts. > Today,(Wednesday, July 31) the forecast for Auckland, NZ was partly > cloudy, HIGH of 56F(13.3C)LOW of 47F(8.3C). for Sydney, AUS was partly > cloudy, HIGH of 62F(16.6C) LOW of 48F(8.8C), for Hong Kong was > thundershowers, HIGH of 87F(30.5C) LOW of 78F(25.5C). > My question is: Just where do these forecast figures come > from? Do these figures come from ya'll or are they forecasted from the > US? To simplify, who generates these forecast numbers?(how do they get > into our newspaper?) > Just wondering G'DAY David Powell > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: JULY 2002 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:41:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Happy Day to All:
Weather for Mena, Arkansas for July, 2002(figures are valid for July 7 through July 31).
Avg. High:89.2F(31.7C)
Avg. Low:69.0F(20.5C)
    High:93F(33.8C) July 8, 21, 22, 23, 26, 31
    Low:62F(16.6C) July 15
Rain for July:5.55IN(140.9mm)
                   (+0.65IN/+16.5mm)
Rain for Year:41.55IN(1,055.3mm)
                   (+7.05IN/+179.0mm)
Enjoy
Wishing ALL a Wonderful August
From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:54:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Not trying to be funny here but could it be because of smog or something similar in the air that was distorting the colour? Anyway would've loved to have seen it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > Evening all, > > Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green lightning - > not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > > Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: jindivik at optusnet.com.au X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) To: "aussie-weather at world . std . com" Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 07:36:12 +1000 Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That's a pretty good theory Bussy. The atmosphere has a lot to do with the appearance of lightning, the further from lightning you are, the more it appears red. In most of my lightning photo's, because of the distance from the lightning I am it's shade varies from white to a dull red, similar to a bushfire moon. Can't think of what would make it go green though. I myself have seen almost electric blue lighting flashes on the back end of a receding storm going over my place. Chris > Bussy wrote: > > Not trying to be funny here but could it be because of smog or > something > similar in the air that was distorting the colour? > Anyway would've loved to have seen it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: "Aussie-wx" > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:07 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > > > > Evening all, > > > > Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green > lightning - > > not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > > > > Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of your > > message. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > -+ > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > -+ > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: jindivik at optusnet.com.au X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) To: "aussie-weather at world . std . com" Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 07:36:12 +1000 Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That's a pretty good theory Bussy. The atmosphere has a lot to do with the appearance of lightning, the further from lightning you are, the more it appears red. In most of my lightning photo's, because of the distance from the lightning I am it's shade varies from white to a dull red, similar to a bushfire moon. Can't think of what would make it go green though. I myself have seen almost electric blue lighting flashes on the back end of a receding storm going over my place. Chris > Bussy wrote: > > Not trying to be funny here but could it be because of smog or > something > similar in the air that was distorting the colour? > Anyway would've loved to have seen it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: "Aussie-wx" > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:07 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > > > > Evening all, > > > > Great excitement!!! 100mm/hr+++ over Melbourne - and green > lightning - > > not just one flash...but **all** flashes seem to be green..... > > > > Any thoughts?? No they aren't power flashes!!!! > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of your > > message. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > -+ > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > -+ > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:45:07 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ken, As many people have said, cold doesn't move. "Coldness" and "hotness" is relative to its surroundings. If I put my hand in the fridge, it's cold. If I put an icecube into the fridge, then relative to the ice then the fridge will be warm. Heat is simply energy, and what you find is that heat flows to other objects, but cold *does not*. The reason why it seems that coldness flows is that since one object is giving off heat to the other object with less heat, then obviously the original object is going to lose heat and subsequently become cooler. AC Ken Ring wrote: > > >It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - any > >decent physics text will tell you so... > > >when I look up the word Heat in my dictionary (Concise Oxford) it > > is a noun and defined thus: The quality of being hot; high temperature > > > hee hee..see what I mean? Even a difference between authorities. Heat is NOT > a cut and dried concept.. Just because a physics book says something doesn't > make it so. You can find plenty that believe in global warming too! I would > agree with John that a body that contains no heat, (noun or verb) would be > at absolute zero, and I would add that a body that contained no cold, noun > or verb would be at evaporation point. To my mind we are talking about > temperature shifts between two points, that is all, and both points would > have to be as real as each other. Consequently the transfer can go both > ways. The only difference is that going one way requires the input of energy > and going the other accepts the output of energy. But answer me this: if > cold > doesn't fall then how does the snow get to the ground? > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Woodbridge" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:52 AM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > Curiously when I look up the word Heat in my dictionary (Concise Oxford) > it > > is a noun and defined thus: The quality of being hot; high temperature > > > Physics: Heat seen as a form of energy arising from the random motion of > the > > molecules of bodies. > > > > Looking in my venerable tertiary Physics text (Resnick & Halliday) with > > regard to Heat and the 1st Law of thermodynamics, it defines Heat "as a > form > > of energy" and as such, it is quite clearly a noun. It also goes on to > > mention that the transfer of energy arising from a temperature difference > > between adjacent parts of a body is called "heat conduction", which once > > again infers Heat as a thing, i.e., a noun. > > > > Heat is not the same thing as temperature, because different materials > > require a different amount of heat (i.e, energy) to raise them to the same > > temperature, from which the concept of "specific heat" arises as a method > to > > measure this property of a material. > > > > So I stand by my original comment, i.e., a body which contains no heat at > > all must be at absolute zero. > > > > Regards, > > John W. > > >snip > > ... > > using a dictionary definition for a physical quantity is fraught with > > danger. If I look up heat in my dictionary I might also find that it means > > estrous etc... the term "heat" has been misused (even in the scientific > > community) for many years. It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - > any > > decent physics text will tell you so... > > ... > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:59:25 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - any >decent physics text will tell you so... >when I look up the word Heat in my dictionary (Concise Oxford) it > is a noun and defined thus: The quality of being hot; high temperature > hee hee..see what I mean? Even a difference between authorities. Heat is NOT a cut and dried concept.. Just because a physics book says something doesn't make it so. You can find plenty that believe in global warming too! I would agree with John that a body that contains no heat, (noun or verb) would be at absolute zero, and I would add that a body that contained no cold, noun or verb would be at evaporation point. To my mind we are talking about temperature shifts between two points, that is all, and both points would have to be as real as each other. Consequently the transfer can go both ways. The only difference is that going one way requires the input of energy and going the other accepts the output of energy. But answer me this: if cold doesn't fall then how does the snow get to the ground? Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:52 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > Hi Kevin, > > Curiously when I look up the word Heat in my dictionary (Concise Oxford) it > is a noun and defined thus: The quality of being hot; high temperature > > Physics: Heat seen as a form of energy arising from the random motion of the > molecules of bodies. > > Looking in my venerable tertiary Physics text (Resnick & Halliday) with > regard to Heat and the 1st Law of thermodynamics, it defines Heat "as a form > of energy" and as such, it is quite clearly a noun. It also goes on to > mention that the transfer of energy arising from a temperature difference > between adjacent parts of a body is called "heat conduction", which once > again infers Heat as a thing, i.e., a noun. > > Heat is not the same thing as temperature, because different materials > require a different amount of heat (i.e, energy) to raise them to the same > temperature, from which the concept of "specific heat" arises as a method to > measure this property of a material. > > So I stand by my original comment, i.e., a body which contains no heat at > all must be at absolute zero. > > Regards, > John W. > >snip > ... > using a dictionary definition for a physical quantity is fraught with > danger. If I look up heat in my dictionary I might also find that it means > estrous etc... the term "heat" has been misused (even in the scientific > community) for many years. It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - any > decent physics text will tell you so... > ... > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:19:10 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Possible TC headed for Hong Kong X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The monsoon gyre in the Philippine Sea seems to be consolidating into a Tropical Depression (or two or three) and headed at the moment in this general direction. PAGASA has named it LAGALAG and is issuing warnings for the northern Philippines and predicts it will move into the Taiwan strait. Motion in satpics would suggest it might even come this way. I have added a collection of suitable links to my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm for those who would like to follow it. Meanwhile I would have loved to have seen the green lightning in Melbourne. Don't tell me even thunderstorms down there are jumping on the "Environmentally Friendly" bandwagon! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "NANDINA" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:27:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At the risk of annoying some 'strictly weather' people, I would like to make an observation here. I am 100% with Ken when he says he supports the push-pull theory. But this is a phenomenon that occurs not only in science, but in every day life. Every intervention in the natural scheme of things will produce a reward and a cost. (Yeah - I know that's a major generalization. However I'm not on about being scientific, as much as I am concerned with the realistic.) And don't overlook the fact that without 'cold' there is no 'heat' - our universe is filled with opposites - it's the way we understand concepts. If there was no winter, how would we understand summer? Long ago the question was put - If there was no war, how can we understand peace? It took me a long time to come to terms with this - the speaker was not advocating war - rather the statement was drawn from knowledge of records gathered through the ages. Just as weather patterns are associated with foregone data. I'm not sure that I'm expressing my thoughts clearly, but needed to join this conversation. I have for some years matched my physical health with rises and falls in barometric pressure, as I am sure, have many others. My mother, sadly deceased, so I cannot quiz her, used the moon for predictions of all kinds. We just have not leaned to use all of the natural as well as the scientific, and including the historic data and events out there. Discussion of alternative methods is healthy and promotes lateral thinking. And Ken - good for you! Cheers, Nandina --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.24.82] From: "Catherine Elliott" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:54:02 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 02:54:02.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBB39C70:01C239CF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Still learning much from your posts and have 2 questions:- 1. Can thunder exist without lightning (I heard it but saw nothing) & 2. Is Australia still in drought if so what would it take to get out of it. Thank you for answering my questions happy weather watching all. regards, cath P.S my mother said that it was the BOMs fault for all the wind we have been having because they draw the lines on the map and she requested that you stop drawing the lines on the map :) P.P.S Shes not daft just Brittish and has its humour _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:56:42 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hart Apparently-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls1.std.com [199.172.62.103]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10260 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13639 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:49:38 -0400 Received: from craig ([144.135.24.81]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H05VEJ00.7YV for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:49:31 +1000 Received: from cwpp-p-144-134-187-205.prem.tmns.net.au ([144.134.187.205]) by bwmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 38/15430523); 01 Aug 2002 20:49:31 From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:49:03 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <000f01c23952$76df4380$1d4e25ca at ken> Importance: Normal You're right Ken, it is a word quibble. As stated earlier, *heat* is the energy which flows between a system and it's environment due to a temperature difference between the two. In mathematical terms... Heat (Q) = C (T(final) - T(initial)) C is the specific heat of a material. T(final) is the final temperature of a body after a change, T(initial) is the temperature of the body before the change. *Heat* is a physical quantity that is easily measured. There is no equivalent for the concept of 'cold'. The *temperature* of a body is a measure of the *internal energy* of that body. A change in temperature can only be brought about if a body either transfers heat, does work or has work done on it. Heat can be positive negative or zero. Temperature (and hence internal energy) can only be positive or zero (and even that is debatable). The concept of internal energy is probably more applicable to Ken's argument rather than heat. The concepts of heat, temperature and internal energy are intertwined - and easily confused! That is all that has happened here. Craig -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 21:56 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Hi Kevin and all Am I the only Deluded One? Seems like I am! But I want to get to the bottom of this! So purely for my OWN satisfaction I did a search of physics sites. I found some interesting stuff, which indicates to me that in talking about heat and cold we could be all having a word quibble. Maybe the disagreement is just a loose definition. The trouble is, I did the Laws of Thermodynamics too at school but was never fully happy with them. So I went on Ask Jeeves and asked about heating and cooling. Here's what I got. 1. "When examining systems, scientists measure a number called the TEMPERATURE GRADIENT. It's the change in temperature divided by the distance. The units are degrees per centimeter. If the temperature is dropping over a specific distance, the gradient is a negative value. If the temperature goes up... Positive value. ." (Sounds to me from this statement that the writer thinks heating and cooling have equal mathematical importance here..) 2. "Warm air rises and cold air replaces it. The heat has moved.." (But then hasn't the cold also moved? Otherwise the heat couldn't have moved. And I always thought 'replaces' was a verb. Therefore, by the rules of English the cold did move too. No?). 3. From the Dictionary of Etymology..the word "cold" comes from "gel" meaning to form a ball and to freeze. Derivations are many, amongst them chill, cloud, glacier, glue and globe. I think a definite reference to increase in viscosity is therefore implied, and so a definite movement between physical states(There is no reference to cold being defined as the opposite of heat). On the other hand, the word "heat" comes from kai which just means heat and hot. 'Transfer of thermal energy' doesn't mean anything. If you look up 'thermal' you get 'gwher-' which just means..to heat! So not much help, just tautology. But look up "temperature" and it says 'the degree of hotness or coldness of a body or environment. A specific degree or hotness or coldness as indicated on or referred to a standard scale.." So I have to say in my mind cold seems to still be its own man! cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Phyland" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:29 PM Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > Hi every1, > > Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... > > There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal energy > as has already been noted) > > Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to > another > > Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the AVERAGE > kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can have > gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) > > Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative momentum > changes on a surface. > > Just my thoughts. > > The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more > knowledgeable people to debate... > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world^Òs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Possible TC headed for Hong Kong Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:09:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 03:11:42.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[53264E90:01C239D2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. The convective line to the southeast of Hong Kong seems a bit detached although the convective area on the southern most point is better, also a convective area off Indonesia seems to have an organised region with moderate upper outflow! not bad for August. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Smith To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: aus-wx: Possible TC headed for Hong Kong > The monsoon gyre in the Philippine Sea seems to be consolidating into a > Tropical Depression (or two or three) and headed at the moment in this > general direction. > PAGASA has named it LAGALAG and is issuing warnings for the northern > Philippines and predicts it will move into the Taiwan strait. > Motion in satpics would suggest it might even come this way. > I have added a collection of suitable links to my page at > http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm for those who would like to follow > it. > > Meanwhile I would have loved to have seen the green lightning in > Melbourne. Don't tell me even thunderstorms down there are jumping on > the "Environmentally Friendly" bandwagon! > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:07:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken, I suggest that snow getting to ground has rather a lot to do with gravity and actually nothing to do with how cold it is. Likewise for an air parcel, as it cools it becomes denser (shrinks) and hence 'heavier' than the surrounding air parcels and thus sinks, once again thanks to gravity. Warmer air parcels expand and become less dense than surrounding air parcels and hence rise. If it were possible to somehow enclose and constrain the the air parcel in question, so that it could not shrink or expand with temperature... then it would neither rise nor fall no matter how hot or cold. Regards, John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:59 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature >It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - any >decent physics text will tell you so... >when I look up the word Heat in my dictionary (Concise Oxford) it > is a noun and defined thus: The quality of being hot; high temperature > hee hee..see what I mean? Even a difference between authorities. Heat is NOT a cut and dried concept.. Just because a physics book says something doesn't make it so. You can find plenty that believe in global warming too! I would agree with John that a body that contains no heat, (noun or verb) would be at absolute zero, and I would add that a body that contained no cold, noun or verb would be at evaporation point. To my mind we are talking about temperature shifts between two points, that is all, and both points would have to be as real as each other. Consequently the transfer can go both ways. The only difference is that going one way requires the input of energy and going the other accepts the output of energy. But answer me this: if cold doesn't fall then how does the snow get to the ground? Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:52 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > Hi Kevin, > > Curiously when I look up the word Heat in my dictionary (Concise Oxford) it > is a noun and defined thus: The quality of being hot; high temperature > > Physics: Heat seen as a form of energy arising from the random motion of the > molecules of bodies. > > Looking in my venerable tertiary Physics text (Resnick & Halliday) with > regard to Heat and the 1st Law of thermodynamics, it defines Heat "as a form > of energy" and as such, it is quite clearly a noun. It also goes on to > mention that the transfer of energy arising from a temperature difference > between adjacent parts of a body is called "heat conduction", which once > again infers Heat as a thing, i.e., a noun. > > Heat is not the same thing as temperature, because different materials > require a different amount of heat (i.e, energy) to raise them to the same > temperature, from which the concept of "specific heat" arises as a method to > measure this property of a material. > > So I stand by my original comment, i.e., a body which contains no heat at > all must be at absolute zero. > > Regards, > John W. > >snip > ... > using a dictionary definition for a physical quantity is fraught with > danger. If I look up heat in my dictionary I might also find that it means > estrous etc... the term "heat" has been misused (even in the scientific > community) for many years. It is a verb - it is the transfer of energy - any > decent physics text will tell you so... > ... > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:17:25 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 05:17:25.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3774880:01C239E3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thunder is a product of lightning, and cannot exist by itself. The super hot lightning bolt heats the air surrounding it to extreme temps. This air then rapidly expands away in all directions at the speed of sound, causing a pressure wave to be created. The human ear percieves this pressure wave as sound. When you hear a clap of thunder, you are not only hearing the direct result of that pressure wave, but also reflections of it from objects such at the ground, buildings, hills, trees etc. This gives the rumbling effect. Liam >From: "Catherine Elliott" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne >Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:54:02 +1000 > >Hi all, > >Still learning much from your posts and have 2 questions:- >1. Can thunder exist without lightning (I heard it but saw nothing) >& >2. Is Australia still in drought if so what would it take to get out of it. > >Thank you for answering my questions happy weather watching all. > >regards, >cath > >P.S my mother said that it was the BOMs fault for all the wind we have >been having because they draw the lines on the map and she requested that >you stop drawing the lines on the map :) > >P.P.S Shes not daft just Brittish and has its humour > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:55:02 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: 16W forming SE of HK X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com As attached. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:39:17 +0800 Subject: 16W forming SE of HK JTWC included this paragraph in the ABPW a short time ago: ===== (3) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 18.2N1 118.5E5 IS NOW NEAR 18.6N5 118.3E3, JUST NORTHWEST OF LUZON OVER THE SOUTH CHINA SEA. VISIBLE ANIMATION DEPICTS SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONVECTION SURROUNDING THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). SYNOPTIC SHIP REPORTS ARE INDICATING 25 TO 30 KNOTS IN THE AREA. BASED ON CURRENT DATA, A TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING WILL BE ISSUED AT 020751Z5 AUG 02. ===== Looking at the satpics it is getting more organised by the hour. We may well have our first typhoon signals hoisted here this weekend. Will keep you posted. 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Hello All:
        We have a weather saying about these parts that goes like this:"If it rains on the first day of a month, it will rain on 15 days of that month." I'm sure this saying could apply elsewhere, but not too much here. I looked at the past 5 years in Mena; the following are the months it rained on the 1st and the TOTAL rain days for the month:
MAR 1997:  10
JUL   1997:    9
SEP  1997:    6
DEC  1997:  10
JUL    1998:    4
NOV   1998:    7
JAN    1999:    8
JUN    1999:   14
APR   2000:      6
MAY   2000:      9
SEP   2000:      3
NOV   2000:    12
MAR   2001:    11
So, as you can see, we fall short of 15 days in a month. Do you have a similar saying in AUS/NZ? I'm sure some spots in your area would have no problem matching/exceeding the 15 days in the saying(esp. in the "wet" season). I really don't know where this saying came from but it is rarely fulfilled here.
Any comments/observations would be greatly welcomed.    Yours      David Powell
From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:28:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I was just wondering(a hypothetical question) what town in AUS/NZ would be wettest without the maritime influence? We, in Mena, are 400 or so miles(666.6 or so kms) from the ocean, so we have little ocean influence. What would be the annual average rainfall for AUS towns that are similarly inland(400 or so miles) from the ocean? THANKS for your answers!    David Powell
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in case anyone is as interested as i am in this on going debate, here's a link to a recent story on the ABC web site.


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From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:32:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com AHHHH!!!Stupid Me!!!! In the corner of the Weather Page, says compiled by Weather Central; Madison, Wisconsin. Sorry for asking such a redundant question. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Trewin" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:07 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C238F5.927B6AE0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Hello and Best Wishes to ALL: > > As earlier stated, I subscribe to the ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE = > > newspaper. The world temps. are forecasts. Today,(Wednesday, July 31) = > > the forecast for Auckland, NZ was partly cloudy, HIGH of 56F(13.3C)LOW = > > of 47F(8.3C). for Sydney, AUS was partly cloudy, HIGH of 62F(16.6C) LOW = > > of 48F(8.8C), for Hong Kong was thundershowers, HIGH of 87F(30.5C) LOW = > > of 78F(25.5C). > > My question is: Just where do these forecast figures come = > > from? Do these figures come from ya'll or are they forecasted from the = > > US? To simplify, who generates these forecast numbers?(how do they get = > > into our newspaper?) > > They're almost certainly from a US-based provider, probably based > on model output. These are better than they once were - you used to > see some which were downright embarrassing (I recall once seeing > one which forecast a max of 4 for Canberra in December) - but still > prone to inaccuracies, especially in areas where the grid which > the forecast is based on is too coarse to pick up local climate > variations. > > On my recent trip to Canada I noticed that the 'Globe and Mail' > (the major national Canadian newspaper) was carrying 4-day forecasts > for a number of international centres, including Sydney. On a > couple of days the forecast was for a minimum of -1 or -2 (this was > in the middle of the cold spell in mid-July). I'd guess that this > was a model forecast for a 'Sydney basin' gridpoint (-1 or -2 would > have been realistic for a 'basin average' on the days when it was > getting down to -5 or -6 in the outer west, but was clearly extremely > unlikely for Observatory Hill). > > Blair > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: Humidity Question Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:40:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello Again:
         I love observing weather, etc; but there are a few things that I don't fully understand. My question is: How does Humidity help keep the temperature down? We are muggy here and as long as the humidity stays up, w/periodic rainfall, the temp. doesn't get much above the low-to-mid 90sF.(The humidity makes it feel much hotter).
Another, unrelated question that I've always wondered about: If high places on the earth(mountains) are CLOSER to the sun, with THINNER air(which should warm rapidly), why are mountains so COLD? It would seem, because of the aforementioned circumstances, that high mountains should be one of the hottest places on earth. Instead, some deserts and below-sea-level areas(FARTHER from the sun) are the hottest places around. Could you give me reasons for this?
            Still Learning           David Powell
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:55:25 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com When I was a kid in Victoria 50 years ago, the oldies all had a saying that if it rained on a certain day (trouble is, I have long since forgotten what day it was!) then it would certainly rain for the next 40 days. As school kids, we would wait in anticipation for the day and, if it rained, everyone would start counting the wet days afterwards but as far as I can recall it, everyone lost count or lost interest long before the 40 days were up. I cannot remember now whether it was a certain Saint's day in the church calendar, or one of the equinoxes or solstices, or what the day was. Can anyone else remember what day or date that was supposed to be? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "arky dave" To: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:17:46 -0500 Subject: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING > Hello All: > We have a weather saying about these parts that goes like > this:"If it rains on the first day of a month, it will rain on 15 days > of that month." I'm sure this saying could apply elsewhere, but not too > much here. I looked at the past 5 years in Mena; the following are the > months it rained on the 1st and the TOTAL rain days for the month: > MAR 1997: 10 > JUL 1997: 9 > SEP 1997: 6 > DEC 1997: 10 > JUL 1998: 4 > NOV 1998: 7 > JAN 1999: 8 > JUN 1999: 14 > APR 2000: 6 > MAY 2000: 9 > SEP 2000: 3 > NOV 2000: 12 > MAR 2001: 11 > So, as you can see, we fall short of 15 days in a month. Do you have a > similar saying in AUS/NZ? I'm sure some spots in your area would have > no problem matching/exceeding the 15 days in the saying(esp. in the > "wet" season). I really don't know where this saying came from but it > is rarely fulfilled here. > Any comments/observations would be greatly welcomed. Yours > David Powell > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:58:58 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That's okay. There is not one of us on this list that hasn't overlooked something obvious when we were trying to learn something new. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "arky dave" To: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:32:10 -0500 Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX SITE INFO > AHHHH!!!Stupid Me!!!! In the corner of the Weather Page, says compiled > by > Weather Central; Madison, Wisconsin. Sorry for asking such a redundant > question. [snip] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:01:26 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Generally speaking all of inland Australia is pretty dry and off the top of my head I cannot think of anywhere in Oz that is 400 miles from the ocean that would have a very high rainfall. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "arky dave" To: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:28:05 -0500 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate > I was just wondering(a hypothetical question) what town in AUS/NZ would > be wettest without the maritime influence? We, in Mena, are 400 or so > miles(666.6 or so kms) from the ocean, so we have little ocean > influence. What would be the annual average rainfall for AUS towns that > are similarly inland(400 or so miles) from the ocean? THANKS for your > answers! David Powell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael king > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:06 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate > > > http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s635090.htm > > > > in case anyone is as interested as i am in this on going debate, > here's a link to a recent story on the ABC web site. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:21:49 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Underground X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Glen, as far as I can see, the only place where you can sign up tells you in big red letters before you click on it that to become a member will cost five bucks per year. Therefore I would expect such a page to come up. There is plenty of their site which is free for non-members to surf around in for hours. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Aussie Weather List" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:59:59 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Weather Underground > I assume that the purpose of the site weather underground is to provide > information about worldwide weather. Does everyone else pay for the > priveledge of providing this information. When I went to signup, there > was a > money amount showed up on the screen to be payed by credit card before > the > process went any further. Is this normal? > > ___________________________________ > > Glen O'Riley > goriley at tsn.cc > www.mypage.tsn.cc/oriley > > * Computer Repairs > * Computer Sales > * Computer Upgrades > * Computer Networking > * Computer Training > * Web Page Construction > * TV Antenna Installation > * Livestock Work > -------- > WebMaster For: > www.ansansw.com.au > -------- > Storm Chaser > Firefighter > SES Volunteer > ACREM CB Radio Monitor > Rail Fan > _________________________________ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:45:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > When I was a kid in Victoria 50 years ago, the oldies all had a saying > that if it rained on When I was a kid in Western Australia 40 years ago, the oldies had a saying that if it did not rain by the full moon it will not rain till the new moon. This was important for the break of the season for putting the wheat crop in. Chas Strahan Tasmania +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:41:05 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com liam, the rumble would come from those sources to a certain extent but doesnt amount to much in the grand scheme of things, the bulk of the rumble comes from different parts of the lightning pressure wave arriving at different times to you, if it was 3km from one end to the other of the lightning strike to you, then the bulk of the rumble would be approx. 9 seconds long. regards richard modistach ----- Original Message ----- From: Liam Domanski To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > Thunder is a product of lightning, and cannot exist by itself. > > The super hot lightning bolt heats the air surrounding it to extreme temps. > This air then rapidly expands away in all directions at the speed of sound, > causing a pressure wave to be created. > > The human ear percieves this pressure wave as sound. When you hear a clap > of thunder, you are not only hearing the direct result of that pressure > wave, but also reflections of it from objects such at the ground, buildings, > hills, trees etc. > > This gives the rumbling effect. > > > > Liam > > > >From: "Catherine Elliott" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > >Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:54:02 +1000 > > > >Hi all, > > > >Still learning much from your posts and have 2 questions:- > >1. Can thunder exist without lightning (I heard it but saw nothing) > >& > >2. Is Australia still in drought if so what would it take to get out of it. > > > >Thank you for answering my questions happy weather watching all. > > > >regards, > >cath > > > >P.S my mother said that it was the BOMs fault for all the wind we have > >been having because they draw the lines on the map and she requested that > >you stop drawing the lines on the map :) > > > >P.P.S Shes not daft just Brittish and has its humour > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "kbarnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:11:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think it was St Swithin's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING > When I was a kid in Victoria 50 years ago, the oldies all had a saying > that if it rained on a certain day (trouble is, I have long since > forgotten what day it was!) then it would certainly rain for the next 40 > days. As school kids, we would wait in anticipation for the day and, if > it rained, everyone would start counting the wet days afterwards but as > far as I can recall it, everyone lost count or lost interest long before > the 40 days were up. > I cannot remember now whether it was a certain Saint's day in the church > calendar, or one of the equinoxes or solstices, or what the day was. > Can anyone else remember what day or date that was supposed to be? > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "arky dave" > To: > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:17:46 -0500 > Subject: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING > > > Hello All: > > We have a weather saying about these parts that goes like > > this:"If it rains on the first day of a month, it will rain on 15 days > > of that month." I'm sure this saying could apply elsewhere, but not too > > much here. I looked at the past 5 years in Mena; the following are the > > months it rained on the 1st and the TOTAL rain days for the month: > > MAR 1997: 10 > > JUL 1997: 9 > > SEP 1997: 6 > > DEC 1997: 10 > > JUL 1998: 4 > > NOV 1998: 7 > > JAN 1999: 8 > > JUN 1999: 14 > > APR 2000: 6 > > MAY 2000: 9 > > SEP 2000: 3 > > NOV 2000: 12 > > MAR 2001: 11 > > So, as you can see, we fall short of 15 days in a month. Do you have a > > similar saying in AUS/NZ? I'm sure some spots in your area would have > > no problem matching/exceeding the 15 days in the saying(esp. in the > > "wet" season). I really don't know where this saying came from but it > > is rarely fulfilled here. > > Any comments/observations would be greatly welcomed. Yours > > David Powell > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:55:16 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi catherine, i've been saying for years that if bom lowered the average summer temp then it wouldnt get so damn hot. regards richard modistach ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine Elliott To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > Hi all, > > Still learning much from your posts and have 2 questions:- > 1. Can thunder exist without lightning (I heard it but saw nothing) > & > 2. Is Australia still in drought if so what would it take to get out of it. > > Thank you for answering my questions happy weather watching all. > > regards, > cath > > P.S my mother said that it was the BOMs fault for all the wind we have been > having because they draw the lines on the map and she requested that you > stop drawing the lines on the map :) > > P.P.S Shes not daft just Brittish and has its humour > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:01:43 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 10:01:44.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B2E76C0:01C23A0B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, forgot to include that. I was just pointed out that as well as hearing the collective sound from the pressure waves (from various parts of the bolt, ariving at different times) you also hear reflections for those waves. Thanks for the correction. Liam >From: "richard modistach" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "weather mailing list" >Subject: Fw: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne >Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:41:05 +0930 > >liam, > > the rumble would come from those sources to a certain extent but doesnt >amount to much in the grand scheme of things, the bulk of the rumble comes >from different parts of the lightning pressure wave arriving at different >times to you, if it was 3km from one end to the other of the lightning >strike to you, then the bulk of the rumble would be approx. 9 seconds long. > >regards >richard modistach > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Liam Domanski >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:47 PM >Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > > > > Thunder is a product of lightning, and cannot exist by itself. > > > > The super hot lightning bolt heats the air surrounding it to extreme >temps. > > This air then rapidly expands away in all directions at the speed of >sound, > > causing a pressure wave to be created. > > > > The human ear percieves this pressure wave as sound. When you hear a >clap > > of thunder, you are not only hearing the direct result of that pressure > > wave, but also reflections of it from objects such at the ground, >buildings, > > hills, trees etc. > > > > This gives the rumbling effect. > > > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > >From: "Catherine Elliott" > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > > >Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:54:02 +1000 > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >Still learning much from your posts and have 2 questions:- > > >1. Can thunder exist without lightning (I heard it but saw nothing) > > >& > > >2. Is Australia still in drought if so what would it take to get out of >it. > > > > > >Thank you for answering my questions happy weather watching all. > > > > > >regards, > > >cath > > > > > >P.S my mother said that it was the BOMs fault for all the wind we have > > >been having because they draw the lines on the map and she requested >that > > >you stop drawing the lines on the map :) > > > > > >P.P.S Shes not daft just Brittish and has its humour > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > >message. > > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:01:43 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 10:01:44.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B2E76C0:01C23A0B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, forgot to include that. I was just pointed out that as well as hearing the collective sound from the pressure waves (from various parts of the bolt, ariving at different times) you also hear reflections for those waves. Thanks for the correction. Liam >From: "richard modistach" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "weather mailing list" >Subject: Fw: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne >Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:41:05 +0930 > >liam, > > the rumble would come from those sources to a certain extent but doesnt >amount to much in the grand scheme of things, the bulk of the rumble comes >from different parts of the lightning pressure wave arriving at different >times to you, if it was 3km from one end to the other of the lightning >strike to you, then the bulk of the rumble would be approx. 9 seconds long. > >regards >richard modistach > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Liam Domanski >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:47 PM >Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > > > > Thunder is a product of lightning, and cannot exist by itself. > > > > The super hot lightning bolt heats the air surrounding it to extreme >temps. > > This air then rapidly expands away in all directions at the speed of >sound, > > causing a pressure wave to be created. > > > > The human ear percieves this pressure wave as sound. When you hear a >clap > > of thunder, you are not only hearing the direct result of that pressure > > wave, but also reflections of it from objects such at the ground, >buildings, > > hills, trees etc. > > > > This gives the rumbling effect. > > > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > >From: "Catherine Elliott" > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne > > >Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:54:02 +1000 > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >Still learning much from your posts and have 2 questions:- > > >1. Can thunder exist without lightning (I heard it but saw nothing) > > >& > > >2. Is Australia still in drought if so what would it take to get out of >it. > > > > > >Thank you for answering my questions happy weather watching all. > > > > > >regards, > > >cath > > > > > >P.S my mother said that it was the BOMs fault for all the wind we have > > >been having because they draw the lines on the map and she requested >that > > >you stop drawing the lines on the map :) > > > > > >P.P.S Shes not daft just Brittish and has its humour > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > >message. > > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: At last ! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:06:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
The North East really turned it on today with some very heavy falls of rain experienced in the district. I got 25.6mm here and have reports from all over the district of well in excess of that and just north of the border they never got a drop. Heaviest fall of hail I've seen for a long time. It looked like snow in a lot of places. I'm putting Jane on the spot here and saying that I'll send them to her.
Guess who has the old set of boots day in and day out with holes in them, and got caught with some minor "flash flooding"? Grin.]
Who'd be dead???????
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:05:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
At the risk of ridicule I would say for Australia no such town exists, Even in the centre rainfall events are usually the result of cloud bands or moisture that  began life in the Indian Ocean.
----- Original Message -----
From: arky dave
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate

I was just wondering(a hypothetical question) what town in AUS/NZ would be wettest without the maritime influence? We, in Mena, are 400 or so miles(666.6 or so kms) from the ocean, so we have little ocean influence. What would be the annual average rainfall for AUS towns that are similarly inland(400 or so miles) from the ocean? THANKS for your answers!    David Powell
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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate

in case anyone is as interested as i am in this on going debate, here's a link to a recent story on the ABC web site.


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From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:35:30 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes. St Swithins Day was the 15th of July. But it only applies in Southern Scotland. The trouble was that emigrants took the old stories with them and thought they could apply anywhere, being rather ignorant about weather changing in different locations. The full saying is St Swithin's day, if ye do rain For forty days it will remain St Swithin's day, an ye be fair For forty days 'twill rain nae mair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kbarnett" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:11 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING > I think it was St Swithin's. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Smith" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING > > > > When I was a kid in Victoria 50 years ago, the oldies all had a saying > > that if it rained on a certain day (trouble is, I have long since > > forgotten what day it was!) then it would certainly rain for the next 40 > > days. As school kids, we would wait in anticipation for the day and, if > > it rained, everyone would start counting the wet days afterwards but as > > far as I can recall it, everyone lost count or lost interest long before > > the 40 days were up. > > I cannot remember now whether it was a certain Saint's day in the church > > calendar, or one of the equinoxes or solstices, or what the day was. > > Can anyone else remember what day or date that was supposed to be? > > > > Phil > > <>< > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "arky dave" > > To: > > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:17:46 -0500 > > Subject: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING > > > > > Hello All: > > > We have a weather saying about these parts that goes like > > > this:"If it rains on the first day of a month, it will rain on 15 days > > > of that month." I'm sure this saying could apply elsewhere, but not too > > > much here. I looked at the past 5 years in Mena; the following are the > > > months it rained on the 1st and the TOTAL rain days for the month: > > > MAR 1997: 10 > > > JUL 1997: 9 > > > SEP 1997: 6 > > > DEC 1997: 10 > > > JUL 1998: 4 > > > NOV 1998: 7 > > > JAN 1999: 8 > > > JUN 1999: 14 > > > APR 2000: 6 > > > MAY 2000: 9 > > > SEP 2000: 3 > > > NOV 2000: 12 > > > MAR 2001: 11 > > > So, as you can see, we fall short of 15 days in a month. Do you have a > > > similar saying in AUS/NZ? I'm sure some spots in your area would have > > > no problem matching/exceeding the 15 days in the saying(esp. in the > > > "wet" season). I really don't know where this saying came from but it > > > is rarely fulfilled here. > > > Any comments/observations would be greatly welcomed. Yours > > > David Powell > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Humidity Question Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:00:57 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Why mountain tops are colder- good question - so for what it's worth here's the (rather unpopular on this forum)moon explanation
The air is thinner at the top of a mountain which is why mountaineers need oxygen. This condition, I think, allows the cold of space to seep closer to the ground on top of mountains, because there is less density of atmosphere to keep the cold of space away. This is because cold falls where there is less rising heat. It is interesting to note that Tibetans who do oxygen-less ascents wait till just after New moon. This is because the New moon is a day moon and it is still in the sky in the late afternoon, and because there is an air bulge always under where the moon is, there is more available oxygen in the area right until evening. I got that from several sources, the main one being Sir Edmund Hilary, who discussed with me why sometimes at 16000 feet you could breathe and sometimes you couldn't and he always fancied it was weather-related. He put me in touch with 79 year old Elizabeth Lawson of Katmandu, who had records of oxygenless ascents by Sherpas. Those I was told of, which numbered about two dozen were around at the same time of the phase month. Another source was a journalist for the Christchurch Press, Chris Moore, who told me he lived in N China and it was common knowledge there that you climb mountains after New moon.
I realise that this explanation might rankle with some, so let's have their explanations too..
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: arky dave
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:40 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Humidity Question

Hello Again:
         I love observing weather, etc; but there are a few things that I don't fully understand. My question is: How does Humidity help keep the temperature down? We are muggy here and as long as the humidity stays up, w/periodic rainfall, the temp. doesn't get much above the low-to-mid 90sF.(The humidity makes it feel much hotter).
Another, unrelated question that I've always wondered about: If high places on the earth(mountains) are CLOSER to the sun, with THINNER air(which should warm rapidly), why are mountains so COLD? It would seem, because of the aforementioned circumstances, that high mountains should be one of the hottest places on earth. Instead, some deserts and below-sea-level areas(FARTHER from the sun) are the hottest places around. Could you give me reasons for this?
            Still Learning           David Powell
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Good rainfall etc Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:05:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Got some very heavy rainfall here today and now it is calm and the frogs are talking again. More on the way hopefully????????
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Good rainfall etc Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:05:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Got some very heavy rainfall here today and now it is calm and the frogs are talking again. More on the way hopefully????????
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:20:39 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > As stated earlier, *heat* is the energy which flows between a system and > it's environment due to a temperature difference between the two. In > mathematical terms... > Heat (Q) = C (T(final) - T(initial)) I agree, but that's because the word "temperature" really refers etymologically to heating, and is therefore an inadequate term because falling temperature would in that sense be a contradiction. We need an unbiased word that can describe both heat rise and cold fall. > *Heat* is a physical quantity that is easily measured. There is no > equivalent for the concept of 'cold'. I would say that cold is also easily measured. We have something called a freezing point, we have ice, we know about thawing. If there was no concept of cold we wouldn't be able to measure those. > The *temperature* of a body is a measure of the *internal energy* of that > body. A change in temperature can only be brought about if a body either > transfers heat, does work or has work done on it. I agree. And if a body transfers heat we call it cooling. You have just allowed that a change of temperature may be cooling OR heating. So you have just allowed for a concept for cold. > Heat can be positive negative or zero. Temperature (and hence internal > energy) can only be positive or zero (and even that is debatable). The > concept of internal energy is probably more applicable to Ken's argument > rather than heat. > The concepts of heat, temperature and internal energy are intertwined - and > easily confused! That is all that has happened here. I totally agree! But I think to say cold doesn't exist is a bit daft. I wonder what an eskimo would say to that suggestion. cheers Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 21:56 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > Hi Kevin and all > Am I the only Deluded One? Seems like I am! But I want to get to the bottom > of this! So purely for my OWN satisfaction I did a search of physics sites. > I found some interesting stuff, which indicates to me that in talking about > heat and cold we could be all having a word quibble. Maybe the disagreement > is just a loose definition. The trouble is, I did the Laws of > Thermodynamics > too at school but was never fully happy with them. So I went on Ask Jeeves > and asked about heating and cooling. Here's what I got. > > 1. "When examining systems, scientists measure a number called the > TEMPERATURE GRADIENT. It's the change in temperature divided by the > distance. The units are degrees per centimeter. If the temperature is > dropping over a specific distance, the gradient is a negative value. If the > temperature goes up... Positive value. ." > (Sounds to me from this statement that the writer thinks heating and > cooling > have equal mathematical importance here..) > > 2. "Warm air rises and cold air replaces it. The heat has moved.." > (But then hasn't the cold also moved? Otherwise the heat couldn't have > moved. And I always thought 'replaces' was a verb. Therefore, by the rules > of English the cold did move too. No?). > > 3. From the Dictionary of Etymology..the word "cold" comes from "gel" > meaning to form a ball and to freeze. Derivations are many, amongst them > chill, cloud, glacier, glue and globe. I think a definite reference to > increase in viscosity is therefore implied, and so a definite movement > between physical states(There is no reference to cold being defined as the > opposite of heat). On the other hand, the word "heat" comes from kai which > just means heat and hot. 'Transfer of thermal energy' doesn't mean > anything. > If you look up 'thermal' you get 'gwher-' which just means..to heat! So not > much help, just tautology. But look up "temperature" and it says 'the > degree > of hotness or coldness of a body or environment. A specific degree or > hotness or coldness as indicated on or referred to a standard scale.." > So I have to say in my mind cold seems to still be its own man! > cheers > Ken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Phyland" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:29 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > > Hi every1, > > > > Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... > > > > There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal > energy > > as has already been noted) > > > > Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to > > another > > > > Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the > AVERAGE > > kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can > have > > gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) > > > > Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative > momentum > > changes on a surface. > > > > Just my thoughts. > > > > The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more > > knowledgeable people to debate... > > > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world^Òs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:20:39 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > As stated earlier, *heat* is the energy which flows between a system and > it's environment due to a temperature difference between the two. In > mathematical terms... > Heat (Q) = C (T(final) - T(initial)) I agree, but that's because the word "temperature" really refers etymologically to heating, and is therefore an inadequate term because falling temperature would in that sense be a contradiction. We need an unbiased word that can describe both heat rise and cold fall. > *Heat* is a physical quantity that is easily measured. There is no > equivalent for the concept of 'cold'. I would say that cold is also easily measured. We have something called a freezing point, we have ice, we know about thawing. If there was no concept of cold we wouldn't be able to measure those. > The *temperature* of a body is a measure of the *internal energy* of that > body. A change in temperature can only be brought about if a body either > transfers heat, does work or has work done on it. I agree. And if a body transfers heat we call it cooling. You have just allowed that a change of temperature may be cooling OR heating. So you have just allowed for a concept for cold. > Heat can be positive negative or zero. Temperature (and hence internal > energy) can only be positive or zero (and even that is debatable). The > concept of internal energy is probably more applicable to Ken's argument > rather than heat. > The concepts of heat, temperature and internal energy are intertwined - and > easily confused! That is all that has happened here. I totally agree! But I think to say cold doesn't exist is a bit daft. I wonder what an eskimo would say to that suggestion. cheers Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 21:56 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > Hi Kevin and all > Am I the only Deluded One? Seems like I am! But I want to get to the bottom > of this! So purely for my OWN satisfaction I did a search of physics sites. > I found some interesting stuff, which indicates to me that in talking about > heat and cold we could be all having a word quibble. Maybe the disagreement > is just a loose definition. The trouble is, I did the Laws of > Thermodynamics > too at school but was never fully happy with them. So I went on Ask Jeeves > and asked about heating and cooling. Here's what I got. > > 1. "When examining systems, scientists measure a number called the > TEMPERATURE GRADIENT. It's the change in temperature divided by the > distance. The units are degrees per centimeter. If the temperature is > dropping over a specific distance, the gradient is a negative value. If the > temperature goes up... Positive value. ." > (Sounds to me from this statement that the writer thinks heating and > cooling > have equal mathematical importance here..) > > 2. "Warm air rises and cold air replaces it. The heat has moved.." > (But then hasn't the cold also moved? Otherwise the heat couldn't have > moved. And I always thought 'replaces' was a verb. Therefore, by the rules > of English the cold did move too. No?). > > 3. From the Dictionary of Etymology..the word "cold" comes from "gel" > meaning to form a ball and to freeze. Derivations are many, amongst them > chill, cloud, glacier, glue and globe. I think a definite reference to > increase in viscosity is therefore implied, and so a definite movement > between physical states(There is no reference to cold being defined as the > opposite of heat). On the other hand, the word "heat" comes from kai which > just means heat and hot. 'Transfer of thermal energy' doesn't mean > anything. > If you look up 'thermal' you get 'gwher-' which just means..to heat! So not > much help, just tautology. But look up "temperature" and it says 'the > degree > of hotness or coldness of a body or environment. A specific degree or > hotness or coldness as indicated on or referred to a standard scale.." > So I have to say in my mind cold seems to still be its own man! > cheers > Ken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Phyland" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:29 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > > Hi every1, > > > > Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... > > > > There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal > energy > > as has already been noted) > > > > Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to > > another > > > > Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the > AVERAGE > > kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can > have > > gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) > > > > Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative > momentum > > changes on a surface. > > > > Just my thoughts. > > > > The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more > > knowledgeable people to debate... > > > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world^Òs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 00:56:11 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sea sick lightning Mel. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:42 PM 1/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >I was just arriving at Flinders st station a few minutes before a small >but intense cell moved across the CBD at around 10pm. this cell was >preceded by a nice outflow cloud line with a bit of a curve to it, but >what followed was something I had never seen before, lightning was rather >unusual, very short and sharp discharges and very bright, but the >astounding aspect was the colour, a definite green, not just one but most >of the discharges around the CBD were green. The green colour was very >vivid so how do we explain this....was the lightning being refracted by >the falling precipitation? or was the lightning very hot! (refer to colour >of the stars i.e. very hot green, hot blue, not so hot white and so on). >Anyway I think I will spend most of the night checking any other >occurrence of such a phenomena.....regards Clyve H. Looking at the same cell from the west, the lightning was white (I core punched it by accident and had to stop for intense hail, but after it passed, followed it along Ballarat Rd for several km). Makes me wonder if it a refractive phenomenon. The storm had very heavy, though small hail (0.5cm), with visibility around 50m in Nth Sunshine. Hail falls were even heavier in Maidstone (7-8kmW of the city), judging by the depth of the hail drifts on the road. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 00:58:01 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Green lightning in Melbourne Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 06:54 AM 2/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Not trying to be funny here but could it be because of smog or something >similar in the air that was distorting the colour? >Anyway would've loved to have seen it. I forgot to mention I did see similar green lightning (as did Macca) during a storm in mid March (March 16?). Did that cell have significant hail? Macca? 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:16:19 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Ken, You mentioned at the start of the week that Alice Springs should get rain on the 31st July, 1st & 2nd August, and have mentioned in other emails of allowing for a 24 hour error rate each side of dates predicted. I have been following your formula of lunar forecasts with interest - there are many reasons for and against your methods - and this forecast of yours would be an excellent and tough test, as we haven't had any rain since 23rd May (3mm), and none before that since February. In fact, we've had only about 2 days since May (from memory) where there has been some cloud cover. And the usual weather patterns prevailed this week - the days actually became warmer over your prediction period - today (2nd July) it was Fine and 26C, yesterday it was Fine and 27C. Anyone who can attempt long term daily forecasts in an unpredictable region such as this (especially forecasting rain in a desert winter) and be successful certainly has a talent! But having said this, I noticed on the South Australian Observations that Mintabie, about an hour West of Marla in S.A.'s far North, and a place that has similar weather (and lunar) patterns to Alice Springs, did indeed receive rainfall - 26mm on 1st August! So I am none the wiser on how accurate your forecasts are. Perhaps the sceptics (I am still one, but less so after this week) may become believers if you can deliver accurate forecasts on a fairly regular basis for regions that have very unpredictable weather. Desert regions certainly fall into this category. I feel that regions that receive frontal rainfall weather can be fairly easy to predict by working out averages and doing some number crunching, as others on this list have suggested. Predicting how much rain that falls is the hard question. But to predict when it rains in somewhere like Mintabie is unbelievable, more so if this can be done regularly. Please everyone get off the physics lessons - reminds me too much of boring (for me) physics classes at school! Cheers, Duncan Treloar Alice Springs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 9:51 am Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > Richard > I am satisfied with my hit rate, as must be others as my free ezine list has > risen from nothing to over 800 in about a year. The thing is, evaluation is > rather subjective. An Auckland secondary school group(St Cuthberts)for a > science project studied me for three months and gave me 87%. Others have > said 75-80%. Only one group for some reason seem to find my accuracy is low > level - meteorologists. It all comes down to what someone calls a dry or wet > day. I don't even like to identify days, only trends or 3-4 day windows. If > it comes down to a day then I ask for a 24hr potential error, which still > ends up as a 3-4 day window. This because I think in the past that was all > that was required. People wanted to know if they had a storm coming this > week, or a run of good weather. They didn't have to be somewhere at 2 oclock > next friday! That's why I try to steer people toward my isobaric maps, which > is what I first arrive at in my calculations. After that it comes down to > interpretation. When I say maps I mean those from the past that I come up > with and can point to and say will probably repeat on a given future day. > cheers > Ken > www.predictweather.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "richard modistach" > To: "weather mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:45 AM > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > ken, > > > > i admire your get up and go to LRF, what sort of hit rate have you been > > getting? and is your hit rate improving with time? $70 for 1 weeks obs. > > whoever plucked that figure out of their backside need to be sacked, thats > > dispicable. makes me want to buy 20 years worth and post the whole lot on > > the internet. > > > > regards > > richard modistach > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken Ring > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:13 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > David > > > First of all, it doesn't matter to me if I'm taken seriously or not > > anymore. > > > Enough farmers etc are buying my books and keeping me busy. I answer > about > > > 20-30 email requests per day for forecasts and quite frankly I would > > rather > > > not, but it seems there is no where else that will provide it. Not the > > > regular metservices, as I'm told, for anything beyond a couple of days > > > ahead, and according to a Herald Digipoll taken in my country in 1998, > out > > > of 663 people questioned, only 37% had any faith in the official > > > forecasters, which is rather sad. But you will notice that on the 23rd > on > > > this forum I forecast shower activity for Sydney and Perth between > 27-29, > > > clearing by 30th, with a 24hr potential error. There are some who would > > find > > > that useful but others who would find it something amusing. Then there > > would > > > be others who would rush to random number generators in order to satisfy > > > themselves that I had nothing of value. The point is, I don't have to > > > convince anybody of anything. The system is there, I have described it > for > > > anyone interested and they can take it or leave it. > > > > > > As to your next point, with respect, I would rather you took the trouble > > to > > > read what's on my website, so you familiarise yourself with the theory > of > > > lunar forecasting before I spend hours explaining it. After that we can > > get > > > into a discussion over the finer points. I find the most vehement > critics > > > are those who won't bother even looking into it to familiarise > themselves > > > with where I am coming from, but because they think they are scientists > > they > > > assume they must be qualified to comment on anything. I realise this is > > > left-field, but so have been all the science mavericks from Copernicus > > down. > > > In fact Galileo, Newton, Franklin, Kepler, Copernicus, Laplace, even > > > Flamstead who started the Greenwich Royal Observatory, -men who were the > > > founding fathers of modern science - all would have described themselves > > as > > > astrologers. There is nothing wrong with the unusual and there should be > > > always room for new approaches and reform. > > > > > > I get challenged because I am not a qualified meteorologist, whatever > that > > > is. But I have never claimed to be one and I don't think meteorology can > > > adequately explain weather, which I put down to a mix of maths and > > > astronomy. But I do think studying this subject for 27 years, watching > the > > > moon correlate with weather daily and writing about 8 books on the > subject > > > makes me somewhat qualified to have an idea or two. It would be an > > > unreasonable to expect me to discuss this subject with someone who > hasn't > > > read anything, written anything nor empirically collected any data that > > > related to the moon. > > > > > > After reading my articles you will see that my thoughts are that our > > > rainfall varies from year to year because of a thing called the Nodal > > Cycle, > > > the phase of the moon is a very small part of what the moon does, nor is > > > phase even constant, and there is nothing special about the moon's > > behaviour > > > other than that it is, like the sun and every other planet, completely > > > cyclic, and as, I have discovered, is the weather. > > > > > > I do think my explanation is detailed, but I can't comment on > 'profound', > > as > > > interpretation is almost certainly in the eye of the beholder. If I say > > dry > > > and it rains overnight but is a sunny day, one person may say it was a > dry > > > day and another a wet one. The thing is, if the system works for someone > > > then it's a worthy one. You clearly find my conclusions hard to accept > re > > > August rainfall. I suggest we wait until the month is over before > passing > > > judgement. If I was way out I'll stand corrected. We all make mistakes - > > > that's how we learn. > > > > > > It seems you are part of the BoM. You have a complete advantage over me > in > > > that you are paid to do research and have free access to historical data > > and > > > multimillion dollar equipment. . I'm not. I have no resources and have > to > > > earn a living doing something else. If I want any obs I have to pay > > through > > > the absolute nose for it. Like $70 for a week's worth. They screw me and > > > it's not right, in my opinion. So I have to rely a lot on newspapers > from > > > the past. That makes any success that I achieve all the more fantastic. > > > best wishes > > > Ken > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Jones" > > > To: > > > Cc: "David Jones" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:58 AM > > > Subject: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > > > > Ken, > > > > > > > > If you and your non-conventional predictions want to be taken > seriously, > > > can > > > > you please explain. > > > > > > > > Why, does our rainfall vary from year to year?, given that the phase > of > > > the > > > > moon is a completely regular occurrence, and accordingly to your > > > prediction > > > > dominant. And, what is so special about the moon's behavior this year > > that > > > > leads you to believe that the August through November period should > only > > > get > > > > ~110mm of rain in Sydney, an amount that would place it within the > > driest > > > > 10% of historical observations, and not far from the driest such > period > > on > > > > record. > > > > > > > > Given the shear desperation of many rural producers currently enduring > > > > drought in eastern Australia, I trust you have a very good scientific > > > theory > > > > to back your profound and detailed predictions. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr David Jones > > > > > > > > Head Climate Analysis Section > > > > National Climate Centre > > > > Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 > > > > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4085 > > > > Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 > > > > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Hail in NE Victoria Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:46:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, Bussy's report on the amazing hailstorm in Rutherglen yesterday - should knock the socks off your SDS for a whiile !! http://www.stormchasers.au.com/02_08_02.htm Enjoy!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:09:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ken, So if the person who reported the event (historically) wrote the wrong date (say they wrote the wrong month or year) on the report so that the report then was actually spurious, you would still use this information to create your forecast??? with no way of being able to verify the acccuracy of the information that you use???? >Bear in mind I was going off historical reports > by some person but I have no idea who wrote it or where that person happened > to be standing with respect to the general area. All I did was access the > time to look at the report. Moon data led me right to the time. That's one > reason I ask for a 24 hr error. He/she might have been reporting the next > day. So the next question is, was it coincidence that I got so close? And > the next question, how many coincidences = a theory? > regards > Ken Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "kbarnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:48:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Michael, what about Tennant Creek in the NT?  I would think it's pretty close to Mena (homoclimatic). Both towns would have similar exposure being in the lower latitudes? Except of course that TC has a wet and dry season so maybe that disqualifies it. (Does Mena have similar or does it rain there all the year?)
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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:05 PM
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At the risk of ridicule I would say for Australia no such town exists, Even in the centre rainfall events are usually the result of cloud bands or moisture that  began life in the Indian Ocean.
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From: arky dave
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate

I was just wondering(a hypothetical question) what town in AUS/NZ would be wettest without the maritime influence? We, in Mena, are 400 or so miles(666.6 or so kms) from the ocean, so we have little ocean influence. What would be the annual average rainfall for AUS towns that are similarly inland(400 or so miles) from the ocean? THANKS for your answers!    David Powell
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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate

in case anyone is as interested as i am in this on going debate, here's a link to a recent story on the ABC web site.


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From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:05:35 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Duncan and all Thanks for that report. I'm certainly pleased rain fell somewhere in the general area as I predicted. Bear in mind I was going off historical reports by some person but I have no idea who wrote it or where that person happened to be standing with respect to the general area. All I did was access the time to look at the report. Moon data led me right to the time. That's one reason I ask for a 24 hr error. He/she might have been reporting the next day. So the next question is, was it coincidence that I got so close? And the next question, how many coincidences = a theory? regards Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:46 AM Subject: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs > G'day Ken, > You mentioned at the start of the week that Alice Springs should get rain on > the 31st July, 1st & 2nd August, and have mentioned in other emails of > allowing for a 24 hour error rate each side of dates predicted. I have been > following your formula of lunar forecasts with interest - there are many > reasons for and against your methods - and this forecast of yours would be > an excellent and tough test, as we haven't had any rain since 23rd May > (3mm), and none before that since February. In fact, we've had only about 2 > days since May (from memory) where there has been some cloud cover. And the > usual weather patterns prevailed this week - the days actually became warmer > over your prediction period - today (2nd July) it was Fine and 26C, > yesterday it was Fine and 27C. Anyone who can attempt long term daily > forecasts in an unpredictable region such as this (especially forecasting > rain in a desert winter) and be successful certainly has a talent! > But having said this, I noticed on the South Australian Observations that > Mintabie, about an hour West of Marla in S.A.'s far North, and a place that > has similar weather (and lunar) patterns to Alice Springs, did indeed > receive rainfall - 26mm on 1st August! So I am none the wiser on how > accurate your forecasts are. > Perhaps the sceptics (I am still one, but less so after this week) may > become believers if you can deliver accurate forecasts on a fairly regular > basis for regions that have very unpredictable weather. Desert regions > certainly fall into this category. I feel that regions that receive frontal > rainfall weather can be fairly easy to predict by working out averages and > doing some number crunching, as others on this list have suggested. > Predicting how much rain that falls is the hard question. But to predict > when it rains in somewhere like Mintabie is unbelievable, more so if this > can be done regularly. > Please everyone get off the physics lessons - reminds me too much of boring > (for me) physics classes at school! > Cheers, > Duncan Treloar > Alice Springs > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Ring" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 9:51 am > Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > Richard > > I am satisfied with my hit rate, as must be others as my free ezine list > has > > risen from nothing to over 800 in about a year. The thing is, evaluation > is > > rather subjective. An Auckland secondary school group(St Cuthberts)for a > > science project studied me for three months and gave me 87%. Others have > > said 75-80%. Only one group for some reason seem to find my accuracy is > low > > level - meteorologists. It all comes down to what someone calls a dry or > wet > > day. I don't even like to identify days, only trends or 3-4 day windows. > If > > it comes down to a day then I ask for a 24hr potential error, which still > > ends up as a 3-4 day window. This because I think in the past that was all > > that was required. People wanted to know if they had a storm coming this > > week, or a run of good weather. They didn't have to be somewhere at 2 > oclock > > next friday! That's why I try to steer people toward my isobaric maps, > which > > is what I first arrive at in my calculations. After that it comes down to > > interpretation. When I say maps I mean those from the past that I come up > > with and can point to and say will probably repeat on a given future day. > > cheers > > Ken > > www.predictweather.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "richard modistach" > > To: "weather mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:45 AM > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > ken, > > > > > > i admire your get up and go to LRF, what sort of hit rate have you been > > > getting? and is your hit rate improving with time? $70 for 1 weeks obs. > > > whoever plucked that figure out of their backside need to be sacked, > thats > > > dispicable. makes me want to buy 20 years worth and post the whole lot > on > > > the internet. > > > > > > regards > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ken Ring > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:13 PM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > First of all, it doesn't matter to me if I'm taken seriously or not > > > anymore. > > > > Enough farmers etc are buying my books and keeping me busy. I answer > > about > > > > 20-30 email requests per day for forecasts and quite frankly I would > > > rather > > > > not, but it seems there is no where else that will provide it. Not the > > > > regular metservices, as I'm told, for anything beyond a couple of days > > > > ahead, and according to a Herald Digipoll taken in my country in 1998, > > out > > > > of 663 people questioned, only 37% had any faith in the official > > > > forecasters, which is rather sad. But you will notice that on the 23rd > > on > > > > this forum I forecast shower activity for Sydney and Perth between > > 27-29, > > > > clearing by 30th, with a 24hr potential error. There are some who > would > > > find > > > > that useful but others who would find it something amusing. Then there > > > would > > > > be others who would rush to random number generators in order to > satisfy > > > > themselves that I had nothing of value. The point is, I don't have to > > > > convince anybody of anything. The system is there, I have described it > > for > > > > anyone interested and they can take it or leave it. > > > > > > > > As to your next point, with respect, I would rather you took the > trouble > > > to > > > > read what's on my website, so you familiarise yourself with the theory > > of > > > > lunar forecasting before I spend hours explaining it. After that we > can > > > get > > > > into a discussion over the finer points. I find the most vehement > > critics > > > > are those who won't bother even looking into it to familiarise > > themselves > > > > with where I am coming from, but because they think they are > scientists > > > they > > > > assume they must be qualified to comment on anything. I realise this > is > > > > left-field, but so have been all the science mavericks from Copernicus > > > down. > > > > In fact Galileo, Newton, Franklin, Kepler, Copernicus, Laplace, even > > > > Flamstead who started the Greenwich Royal Observatory, -men who were > the > > > > founding fathers of modern science - all would have described > themselves > > > as > > > > astrologers. There is nothing wrong with the unusual and there should > be > > > > always room for new approaches and reform. > > > > > > > > I get challenged because I am not a qualified meteorologist, whatever > > that > > > > is. But I have never claimed to be one and I don't think meteorology > can > > > > adequately explain weather, which I put down to a mix of maths and > > > > astronomy. But I do think studying this subject for 27 years, watching > > the > > > > moon correlate with weather daily and writing about 8 books on the > > subject > > > > makes me somewhat qualified to have an idea or two. It would be an > > > > unreasonable to expect me to discuss this subject with someone who > > hasn't > > > > read anything, written anything nor empirically collected any data > that > > > > related to the moon. > > > > > > > > After reading my articles you will see that my thoughts are that our > > > > rainfall varies from year to year because of a thing called the Nodal > > > Cycle, > > > > the phase of the moon is a very small part of what the moon does, nor > is > > > > phase even constant, and there is nothing special about the moon's > > > behaviour > > > > other than that it is, like the sun and every other planet, completely > > > > cyclic, and as, I have discovered, is the weather. > > > > > > > > I do think my explanation is detailed, but I can't comment on > > 'profound', > > > as > > > > interpretation is almost certainly in the eye of the beholder. If I > say > > > dry > > > > and it rains overnight but is a sunny day, one person may say it was a > > dry > > > > day and another a wet one. The thing is, if the system works for > someone > > > > then it's a worthy one. You clearly find my conclusions hard to accept > > re > > > > August rainfall. I suggest we wait until the month is over before > > passing > > > > judgement. If I was way out I'll stand corrected. We all make > mistakes - > > > > that's how we learn. > > > > > > > > It seems you are part of the BoM. You have a complete advantage over > me > > in > > > > that you are paid to do research and have free access to historical > data > > > and > > > > multimillion dollar equipment. . I'm not. I have no resources and have > > to > > > > earn a living doing something else. If I want any obs I have to pay > > > through > > > > the absolute nose for it. Like $70 for a week's worth. They screw me > and > > > > it's not right, in my opinion. So I have to rely a lot on newspapers > > from > > > > the past. That makes any success that I achieve all the more > fantastic. > > > > best wishes > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Jones" > > > > To: > > > > Cc: "David Jones" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:58 AM > > > > Subject: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken, > > > > > > > > > > If you and your non-conventional predictions want to be taken > > seriously, > > > > can > > > > > you please explain. > > > > > > > > > > Why, does our rainfall vary from year to year?, given that the phase > > of > > > > the > > > > > moon is a completely regular occurrence, and accordingly to your > > > > prediction > > > > > dominant. And, what is so special about the moon's behavior this > year > > > that > > > > > leads you to believe that the August through November period should > > only > > > > get > > > > > ~110mm of rain in Sydney, an amount that would place it within the > > > driest > > > > > 10% of historical observations, and not far from the driest such > > period > > > on > > > > > record. > > > > > > > > > > Given the shear desperation of many rural producers currently > enduring > > > > > drought in eastern Australia, I trust you have a very good > scientific > > > > theory > > > > > to back your profound and detailed predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr David Jones > > > > > > > > > > Head Climate Analysis Section > > > > > National Climate Centre > > > > > Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 > > > > > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4085 > > > > > Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 > > > > > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:32:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
There is no wet/dry season in Mena. The wettest avg. month is May at 6.40IN(162.5mm), on average the driest months are January and August averaging 2.70IN(68.5mm). Even in the drier months, Mena seldom goes for more than 2 weeks without measurable rain. But, I suppose that the frontal rain(esp. Pacific Cold fronts) that Mena gets starts out over the ocean. The warm south winds do increase our humidity, but that's about the extent of our maritime influence.
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From: kbarnett
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate

Michael, what about Tennant Creek in the NT?  I would think it's pretty close to Mena (homoclimatic). Both towns would have similar exposure being in the lower latitudes? Except of course that TC has a wet and dry season so maybe that disqualifies it. (Does Mena have similar or does it rain there all the year?)
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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate

At the risk of ridicule I would say for Australia no such town exists, Even in the centre rainfall events are usually the result of cloud bands or moisture that  began life in the Indian Ocean.
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From: arky dave
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate

I was just wondering(a hypothetical question) what town in AUS/NZ would be wettest without the maritime influence? We, in Mena, are 400 or so miles(666.6 or so kms) from the ocean, so we have little ocean influence. What would be the annual average rainfall for AUS towns that are similarly inland(400 or so miles) from the ocean? THANKS for your answers!    David Powell
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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Re: aus-wx wettest town debate

in case anyone is as interested as i am in this on going debate, here's a link to a recent story on the ABC web site.


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From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: Discrepancy Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:38:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
G'August to All:
          As of the end of July, 2002, KENA radio station(official wx sta. for MENA) has recorded 36 and 1/2 IN(over 927.1mm) rain so far this year. I am a little over a Mile, Northwest of KENA and have recorded a little over 41 and 1/2IN(over 1,054.1mm) of rain this year. Is this a normal discrepancy so far over this year?
           P.S. We missed rain again today as it slid to our Northwest.(This rain was not in yesterday's forecast).
           Have a GREAT Weekend       Regards       David Powell
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hart Apparently-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls1.std.com [199.172.62.103]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03591 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22348 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:38:21 -0400 Received: from craig ([144.135.24.78]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H08SFT00.COS for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:38:17 +1000 Received: from CWPP-p-203-54-188-100.prem.tmns.net.au ([203.54.188.100]) by bwmam04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 29/2059269); 03 Aug 2002 10:38:17 From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:35:28 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <006501c23a2f$c7c58600$144e25ca at ken> Importance: Normal Ken, I get rather upset when basic physical concepts are misunderstood or misused. Heat is one concept (which others here have pointed out) that is often misused and misunderstood, even in scientific circles. 'Heating' occurs when heat is transferred to a body. 'Cooling' occurs when heat is transferred away from a body. Of course this definition allows cooling. Heat can be positive, negative or zero. It is measured as a transfer from one body or state to another. You stated "We have something called a freezing point, we have ice, we know about thawing. If there was no concept of cold we wouldn't be able to measure those." These rely on the temperature of the substance in question which we can readily measure with a thermometer. Not the heat or a concept of 'cold'. If I remove sufficient heat from a body of water, i.e. cool it, I will end up with ice. The body of water will be at 273.15 K or less (below 0 C). The freezing point of iron is 1535 C (1810 K) - would one consider that 'cold'? Or the freezing point of helium - -272 C, ~1 K? I would suggest looking further afield than "Ask Jeeves" for a better understanding of true physical concepts though. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/heacon.html http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/staff/blynds/tmp.html A few notes about verbs (since some others consider that to be important) 'Hot' is the opposite of 'cold' ("Coffee is hot, ice cream is cold") They describe a relative temperature difference. 'To heat' (or perhaps 'to warm') is the opposite of 'to cool' I apologise if I sound aggressive, but I feel that I should stick up for proper use of scientific terms. As I said before, "Heat" is misused too often. Heat is the physical quantity which describes the energy transfer between two bodies at different temperatures. Ken, You are more than welcome to use the term 'cold' to describe a transfer of heat energy away from a body (when the final temperature of the body is less than the initial temperature of the body), but I fear you would be in a vast minority and you would only succeed in confusing the majority. Also, the Eskimo probably thinks 0C is quite warm! Craig -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:21 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Re: > As stated earlier, *heat* is the energy which flows between a system and > it's environment due to a temperature difference between the two. In > mathematical terms... > Heat (Q) = C (T(final) - T(initial)) I agree, but that's because the word "temperature" really refers etymologically to heating, and is therefore an inadequate term because falling temperature would in that sense be a contradiction. We need an unbiased word that can describe both heat rise and cold fall. > *Heat* is a physical quantity that is easily measured. There is no > equivalent for the concept of 'cold'. I would say that cold is also easily measured. We have something called a freezing point, we have ice, we know about thawing. If there was no concept of cold we wouldn't be able to measure those. > The *temperature* of a body is a measure of the *internal energy* of that > body. A change in temperature can only be brought about if a body either > transfers heat, does work or has work done on it. I agree. And if a body transfers heat we call it cooling. You have just allowed that a change of temperature may be cooling OR heating. So you have just allowed for a concept for cold. > Heat can be positive negative or zero. Temperature (and hence internal > energy) can only be positive or zero (and even that is debatable). The > concept of internal energy is probably more applicable to Ken's argument > rather than heat. > The concepts of heat, temperature and internal energy are intertwined - and > easily confused! That is all that has happened here. I totally agree! But I think to say cold doesn't exist is a bit daft. I wonder what an eskimo would say to that suggestion. cheers Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 21:56 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > Hi Kevin and all > Am I the only Deluded One? Seems like I am! But I want to get to the bottom > of this! So purely for my OWN satisfaction I did a search of physics sites. > I found some interesting stuff, which indicates to me that in talking about > heat and cold we could be all having a word quibble. Maybe the disagreement > is just a loose definition. The trouble is, I did the Laws of > Thermodynamics > too at school but was never fully happy with them. So I went on Ask Jeeves > and asked about heating and cooling. Here's what I got. > > 1. "When examining systems, scientists measure a number called the > TEMPERATURE GRADIENT. It's the change in temperature divided by the > distance. The units are degrees per centimeter. If the temperature is > dropping over a specific distance, the gradient is a negative value. If the > temperature goes up... Positive value. ." > (Sounds to me from this statement that the writer thinks heating and > cooling > have equal mathematical importance here..) > > 2. "Warm air rises and cold air replaces it. The heat has moved.." > (But then hasn't the cold also moved? Otherwise the heat couldn't have > moved. And I always thought 'replaces' was a verb. Therefore, by the rules > of English the cold did move too. No?). > > 3. From the Dictionary of Etymology..the word "cold" comes from "gel" > meaning to form a ball and to freeze. Derivations are many, amongst them > chill, cloud, glacier, glue and globe. I think a definite reference to > increase in viscosity is therefore implied, and so a definite movement > between physical states(There is no reference to cold being defined as the > opposite of heat). On the other hand, the word "heat" comes from kai which > just means heat and hot. 'Transfer of thermal energy' doesn't mean > anything. > If you look up 'thermal' you get 'gwher-' which just means..to heat! So not > much help, just tautology. But look up "temperature" and it says 'the > degree > of hotness or coldness of a body or environment. A specific degree or > hotness or coldness as indicated on or referred to a standard scale.." > So I have to say in my mind cold seems to still be its own man! > cheers > Ken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Phyland" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:29 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > > Hi every1, > > > > Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... > > > > There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal > energy > > as has already been noted) > > > > Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to > > another > > > > Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the > AVERAGE > > kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can > have > > gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) > > > > Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative > momentum > > changes on a surface. > > > > Just my thoughts. > > > > The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more > > knowledgeable people to debate... > > > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world^Òs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Weather Underground Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:03:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, thought so. They shouldn't charge people to upload I reckon but anyway. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Friday, 2 August 2002 6:22 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Underground Glen, as far as I can see, the only place where you can sign up tells you in big red letters before you click on it that to become a member will cost five bucks per year. Therefore I would expect such a page to come up. There is plenty of their site which is free for non-members to surf around in for hours. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Aussie Weather List" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:59:59 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Weather Underground > I assume that the purpose of the site weather underground is to provide > information about worldwide weather. Does everyone else pay for the > priveledge of providing this information. When I went to signup, there > was a > money amount showed up on the screen to be payed by credit card before > the > process went any further. Is this normal? > > ___________________________________ > > Glen O'Riley > goriley at tsn.cc > www.mypage.tsn.cc/oriley > > * Computer Repairs > * Computer Sales > * Computer Upgrades > * Computer Networking > * Computer Training > * Web Page Construction > * TV Antenna Installation > * Livestock Work > -------- > WebMaster For: > www.ansansw.com.au > -------- > Storm Chaser > Firefighter > SES Volunteer > ACREM CB Radio Monitor > Rail Fan > _________________________________ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:17:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just my 2 cents, but I can verify that Jane is her real name. I spend once a month with her, so can confirm it, along with about 100 other people. PaulY Paul Yole State Rep - ASWA Victoria EDD: 08/08/02 http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 00:41 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Jane Yeah, but you're forgetting something. What if they wrote the right date? How do I know Jane is really your name? Can you verify it please? I go off newspaper reports. I get them from all over. Articles presumably written the day or the day after, or the next week about the week before. Certainly not the year after. And spurious reports? Man, I've heard that the outback can play tricks with the mind, but your idea now heads the list! Obviously I have no way to verify the reports because I wasn't at every location at the same time at every day in the past, in NZ, Australia and the UK(I can't believe you're asking me this with a straight face). Just because one has to rely on the reports of others, are you trying to tell me that therefore the method is flawed? Even the metservices depend on obs gathered at authorised locations in remote areas. They pay farmers to send them in. But no one questions the accuracy of the gathering process with respect to them. I have read your responses to letters on this forum and you certainly seem to believe what people write because I DON'T see you asking for verification all the time. Don't forget I am claiming that I can pinpoint NOT the amount of rain so much as the potential for rain at that area at that time. I know this is dreadfully hard to admit, but may I respectfully suggest that there IS a remote chance that the lunar method COULD HAVE BEEN CORRECT... On or around the 7th-9th watch out, NSW to QSLD, Wagga Wagga to Townsville. Forget verification, just watch those riverbanks. If they flood it's called lotsarain.. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs > Ken, > > So if the person who reported the event (historically) wrote the wrong > date (say they wrote the wrong month or year) on the report so that the > report then was actually spurious, you would still use this information > to create your forecast??? with no way of being able to verify the > acccuracy of the information that you use???? > > > >Bear in mind I was going off historical reports > > by some person but I have no idea who wrote it or where that person > happened > > to be standing with respect to the general area. All I did was access > the > > time to look at the report. Moon data led me right to the time. That's > one > > reason I ask for a 24 hr error. He/she might have been reporting the > next > > day. So the next question is, was it coincidence that I got so close? > And > > the next question, how many coincidences = a theory? > > regards > > Ken > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:41:27 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jane Yeah, but you're forgetting something. What if they wrote the right date? How do I know Jane is really your name? Can you verify it please? I go off newspaper reports. I get them from all over. Articles presumably written the day or the day after, or the next week about the week before. Certainly not the year after. And spurious reports? Man, I've heard that the outback can play tricks with the mind, but your idea now heads the list! Obviously I have no way to verify the reports because I wasn't at every location at the same time at every day in the past, in NZ, Australia and the UK(I can't believe you're asking me this with a straight face). Just because one has to rely on the reports of others, are you trying to tell me that therefore the method is flawed? Even the metservices depend on obs gathered at authorised locations in remote areas. They pay farmers to send them in. But no one questions the accuracy of the gathering process with respect to them. I have read your responses to letters on this forum and you certainly seem to believe what people write because I DON'T see you asking for verification all the time. Don't forget I am claiming that I can pinpoint NOT the amount of rain so much as the potential for rain at that area at that time. I know this is dreadfully hard to admit, but may I respectfully suggest that there IS a remote chance that the lunar method COULD HAVE BEEN CORRECT... On or around the 7th-9th watch out, NSW to QSLD, Wagga Wagga to Townsville. Forget verification, just watch those riverbanks. If they flood it's called lotsarain.. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs > Ken, > > So if the person who reported the event (historically) wrote the wrong > date (say they wrote the wrong month or year) on the report so that the > report then was actually spurious, you would still use this information > to create your forecast??? with no way of being able to verify the > acccuracy of the information that you use???? > > > >Bear in mind I was going off historical reports > > by some person but I have no idea who wrote it or where that person > happened > > to be standing with respect to the general area. All I did was access > the > > time to look at the report. Moon data led me right to the time. That's > one > > reason I ask for a 24 hr error. He/she might have been reporting the > next > > day. So the next question is, was it coincidence that I got so close? > And > > the next question, how many coincidences = a theory? > > regards > > Ken > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at mail.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:55:15 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: RE: aus-wx: Weather Underground Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com You can upload for free - go to this page and sign up: http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/index.asp cheers, Michael At 03:03 PM 3/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Yeah, thought so. They shouldn't charge people to upload I reckon but >anyway. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Smith >Sent: Friday, 2 August 2002 6:22 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Underground > > >Glen, as far as I can see, the only place where you can sign up tells you >in big red letters before you click on it that to become a member will >cost five bucks per year. Therefore I would expect such a page to come >up. There is plenty of their site which is free for non-members to surf >around in for hours. > >Phil ><>< > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Glen O'Riley" >To: "Aussie Weather List" >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:59:59 +1000 >Subject: aus-wx: Weather Underground > > > I assume that the purpose of the site weather underground is to provide > > information about worldwide weather. Does everyone else pay for the > > priveledge of providing this information. When I went to signup, there > > was a > > money amount showed up on the screen to be payed by credit card before > > the > > process went any further. Is this normal? > > > > ___________________________________ > > > > Glen O'Riley > > goriley at tsn.cc > > www.mypage.tsn.cc/oriley > > > > * Computer Repairs > > * Computer Sales > > * Computer Upgrades > > * Computer Networking > > * Computer Training > > * Web Page Construction > > * TV Antenna Installation > > * Livestock Work > > -------- > > WebMaster For: > > www.ansansw.com.au > > -------- > > Storm Chaser > > Firefighter > > SES Volunteer > > ACREM CB Radio Monitor > > Rail Fan > > _________________________________ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Rands" To: "Aus Wx" Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:59:48 +1000 X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2360) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) Subject: aus-wx: Hail - Penrith Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Guys, Did we have a great hailstorm or what?!!? I am here in Penrith, it was 3:45ish and my cousin, myself and his wife had just finished watching American Pie 2, and we were talking away, I heard this roaring sound and thought it was the builders next door. It went really dark, I got up and look out the window and bits of tree and stuff was flying everywhere the windows were shaking and next thing you know we copped hail that was the size of 20 cent pieces!! Lasted for about 10 minutes. My cousin and I dashed outside to save his ClubSport... No damage luckily... Shame I got no pix. /Paul Rands prands at optusnet.com.au ICQ: 137833127 MSN: Dirk (prands at efter-stormen.com) WWW: http://prands.docspages.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:03:57 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail in NE Victoria X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What a beauty! I haven't seen a hail storm like that in so many years now, I had nearly forgotten what hail was! Well done with the photos, Bussy! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:46:04 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Hail in NE Victoria > Morning all, > > Bussy's report on the amazing hailstorm in Rutherglen yesterday - > should > knock the socks off your SDS for a whiile !! > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/02_08_02.htm > > Enjoy!! > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Peter Konnecke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail - Penrith Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:12:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just saw it on 7 News ... nice coating of white at the golf course !! Lucky the club sport wasn't under the tree I saw crashed over the car in the driveway. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Rands To: Aus Wx Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: aus-wx: Hail - Penrith > Hi Guys, > > Did we have a great hailstorm or what?!!? > > I am here in Penrith, it was 3:45ish and my cousin, myself and his wife had just finished watching American Pie 2, and we were talking away, I heard this roaring sound and thought it was the builders next door. > It went really dark, I got up and look out the window and bits of tree and stuff was flying everywhere the windows were shaking and next thing you know we copped hail that was the size of 20 cent pieces!! > > Lasted for about 10 minutes. My cousin and I dashed outside to save his ClubSport... No damage luckily... Shame I got no pix. > > > > /Paul Rands > prands at optusnet.com.au > > ICQ: 137833127 > MSN: Dirk (prands at efter-stormen.com) > WWW: http://prands.docspages.com/ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Rands" To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:35:45 +1000 X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2360) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail - Penrith Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all I just got back from my folks place at South penrith, a few trees down including in folks front yard -just missed the ouse. Others werent as lucky with trees on houses and cars >Just saw it on 7 News ... nice coating of white at the golf course !! > >Lucky the club sport wasn't under the tree I saw crashed over the car in the >driveway. > >Pete > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paul Rands >To: Aus Wx >Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:59 PM >Subject: aus-wx: Hail - Penrith > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> Did we have a great hailstorm or what?!!? >> >> I am here in Penrith, it was 3:45ish and my cousin, myself and his wife >had just finished watching American Pie 2, and we were talking away, I heard >this roaring sound and thought it was the builders next door. >> It went really dark, I got up and look out the window and bits of tree and >stuff was flying everywhere the windows were shaking and next thing you know >we copped hail that was the size of 20 cent pieces!! >> >> Lasted for about 10 minutes. My cousin and I dashed outside to save his >ClubSport... No damage luckily... Shame I got no pix. >> >> >> >> /Paul Rands >> prands at optusnet.com.au >> >> ICQ: 137833127 >> MSN: Dirk (prands at efter-stormen.com) >> WWW: http://prands.docspages.com/ >> >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > /Paul Rands prands at optusnet.com.au ICQ: 137833127 MSN: Dirk (prands at efter-stormen.com) WWW: http://prands.docspages.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Discrepancy Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:54:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Grin. Our average here is 560mm a year or approximately 22 inches. We'd be flooded with that sort of rainfall.
----- Original Message -----
From: arky dave
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:38 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Discrepancy

G'August to All:
          As of the end of July, 2002, KENA radio station(official wx sta. for MENA) has recorded 36 and 1/2 IN(over 927.1mm) rain so far this year. I am a little over a Mile, Northwest of KENA and have recorded a little over 41 and 1/2IN(over 1,054.1mm) of rain this year. Is this a normal discrepancy so far over this year?
           P.S. We missed rain again today as it slid to our Northwest.(This rain was not in yesterday's forecast).
           Have a GREAT Weekend       Regards       David Powell
From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail in NE Victoria Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:00:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A humble "thank you"........ You have no idea how excited I got.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail in NE Victoria > What a beauty! I haven't seen a hail storm like that in so many years > now, I had nearly forgotten what hail was! > Well done with the photos, Bussy! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Jane's news Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:09:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Jane has been on a chase and may have some exciting news when she gets back. Not letting any more info out.
Jane, your call.........
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:24:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Jane's news Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:09 PM 3/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Jane has been on a chase and may have some exciting news when she gets >back. Not letting any more info out. >Jane, your call......... >Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria) The cat's out of the bag on IRC. ;-) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:31:05 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com While we are on Physics, allow me to deviate from topic far enough to describe an experiment I did in front of a class of kids many years ago. I had a brand new, unopened, vacuum-sealed jar of Vegemite. With the class in utter silence I broke the seal and everyone heard a loud hiss and a pop from the metal lid. I then said, "Did everybody hear the vacuum leaking out?" and most of the kids nodded. I then asked them to write about their observations and what they think caused the sounds that they heard. The power of suggestion was evidenced by the fact that most of the class turned in essays about how much noise vacuums make while they are escaping from sealed vessels. Someone even described the pop that was made as the vacuum "exploded" out of the jar. Very few mentioned anything about the sound made by the air rushing in. The point of this story is that most of us believe in exactly what we are taught and never question it again for the rest of our lives. I did not fail any of the kids that wrote about the escaping vacuum, after all, couldn't that be another valid way to describe the phenomenon? So yeah, I did get Honours in Physics, and I know all the "correct" scientific definitions (well, I used to know 'em anyway, probably forgotten a lot by now!), but I am quite happy to hear Ken talking about the "cold falling down" because I understand exactly what he means by it. When I open the door of my upright freezer and see the condensation falling through the air to the floor, I say to my kids, "Hey, look at the cold falling out." They understand okay. So that's my 2c worth. And don't forget to listen for the vacuum coming out next time you open a new jar of Vegemite! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:41:11 +1200 Subject: aus-wx: Re: > David > It may appear I am begging the question, but the scientific terms are > inadequate, just as the weather models are inadequate that exclude > lunar > factors. The moon theory of the air tide depends on the understanding > that > cold falls from space because of a thinner atmosphere, made so by the > moon. > It is uselss to talk of temperature as if it was a two-way process > because > the very word and therefore the concept is only defined as a function > of a > one-way process. Therein lies the problem and it is a fundamental one, > because physicists cannot see past their own erroneously limited > definition > and having grown up with it feel obliged to defend it at all costs, > despite > logic. > Commonsense does not prevail here. Cold is the opposite of heat, it > should > be the end of story. It is equal in conceptual importance and just goes > the > other way, also should be end of story. It actually DOES, but science > cannot > explain it using the language of thermodynamics. The only possible > conclusion has to be that cold doesn't exist, only hot does. This is > because > they have beaten themselves into a verbal corner and can't get out of > it. > But we know that molecular excitation goes down or up. It only ceases > at > absolute zero, so there is plenty of room to talk of cooling as a > separate > process, much as the depth of a depression in psychiatry is not defined > as a > function of decreasing happiness. > I know what you are saying about Heat being the physical quantity which > describes the energy transfer between two bodies at different > temperatures. > I did physics to uni level. Now I say no, that is what the books say > and it > is too limiting. I cannot see why 'cold' cannot describe a transfer of > heat > energy away from a body in all reasonable commonsense. Perhaps I am in > a > vast minority but would hasten to point out that weather forecasting by > the > moon has a long way to go in order that the concepts be understood. Our > language guides the way we think, and I think the majority have been > misled > by a thousand years of, in this area at least, an inadequate science > both in > its concepts and its vocabulary. > And no one has yet explained the mountain-top thing.. > cheers > Ken > > > > Ken, > > I get rather upset when basic physical concepts are misunderstood or > > misused. Heat is one concept (which others here have pointed out) > that is > > often misused and misunderstood, even in scientific circles. > > [snip] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:32:30 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Report from HK as 16W approaches X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:46:29 +0800 Subject: Report from HK as 16W approaches We have seen several brief patches of sun shining through since lunch time. And a few small patches of blue sky where the sun didn't make it also scurried swiftly across. (Yeah, I know it was the clouds doing the scurrying and the blue bits were what was left in between them, but it sounded a good way to say it). But most of the time it has been solid 8/8 high cloud with great massive grey clouds racing across the sky much lower down from North to South. Down here at ground level the wind is from the N, but the speed is only 8 km/h. The clouds appear to be racing much faster than that. Pressure is now down to 997.5 HPa. Other obs at the moment are 29.0C, 78%, HIndex 34.3C. AT 1700 HKT (0900Z) 16W was 280 km southeast of here and heading northwest at 12 km/h. There's not been any rain since lunchtime, but the Thunderstorm Warning was hoisted at 1645 with not the slightest sign of a thunderstorm anywhere around. (My kids won't be happy: they went to the swimming pool at 1630 and would have been kicked out after only a few minutes in the water. They must have gone someplace else, because they haven't turned up back here yet at 1744.) Whoops, I spoke to soon. As I typed there was a bright flash, a great crackle of thunder and the rain started streaming down at 1746. More later. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:35:33 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Pressure dropping as 16W approaches X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This one was from earlier today: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:14:13 +0800 Subject: Pressure dropping as 16W approaches The rain has eased off but we are still under the outer cloudbands so it is still a dull day here. No wind worth mentioning. Pressure is dropping significantly as you can see at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/shapre020803.png which I saved a couple of minutes ago. Warnings from the HKO are the same as my last post. Obs here at present are: 30.7C, 71%, HIndex 37.1C, 999.0 HPa, Wind from N at 14.0 km/h (on 10-min avge), 8/8 cloud. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:36:39 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Typhoon Signal One hoisted at HK for 16W X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com And this was my first report this morning: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:47:57 +0800 Subject: Typhoon Signal One hoisted at HK for 16W Since I awoke this morning it has been very dull outside with a dense overcast. Rain has been fairly constant for the past few hours but there have been a couple of brief breaks. There has been no wind to speak of. All agencies are now forecasting TD16W to pass well to our east so I am expecting only outer rainbands here. Here is the latest warning from the Observatory: ====== Bulletin issued at 10:34 HKT 03/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 was issued at 0950 a.m. This means that a Tropical Cyclone now centred within about 800 kilometres of Hong Kong may affect us. At 10 a.m. the centre of Tropical Depression in the northeastern part of the South China sea was estimated to be about 390 kilometres east-southeast of Hong Kong (near 20.8 degrees north 117.6 degrees east) and is forecast to move north-northwest at about 8 kilometres per hour towards the eastern part of Guangdong. As the tropical depression is still some distance from Hong Kong. The threat of strong winds locally is not high today. The chance of issuing the Strong Wind signal No.3 is rather low. The outer rainbands of the tropical depression is beginning to affect Hong Kong and there will be scattered showers today. (Precautionary Announcements with No. 1 Signal) (1) Some precautions against damage should be taken now, gutters and drains should be cleared of obstructions. Hinges, bolts, locks and shutters of windows and doors should be checked. (2) Listen to your radio or watch your TV for further weather information. (3) If you are planning to visit Macau, any of the off-shore islands or remote parts of Hong Kong, you are reminded that changes in weather may affect your plans. (4) Since the sea state may be very rough, you are advised to stay away from the shoreline and not to engage in water sports. ============ Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:38:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ken wrote: > Jane > Yeah, but you're forgetting something. What if they wrote the right date? > How do I know Jane is really your name? Can you verify it please? I go off > newspaper reports. I get them from all over. Articles presumably written the > day or the day after, or the next week about the week before. Certainly not > the year after. > And spurious reports? Man, I've heard that the outback can play tricks with > the mind, but your idea now heads the list! Obviously I have no way to > verify the reports because I wasn't at every location at the same time at > every day in the past, in NZ, Australia and the UK(I can't believe you're > asking me this with a straight face). Duncan wrote a different date in his email to you than the date you were talking about..... were you both talking about the same days? "> G'day Ken, > You mentioned at the start of the week that Alice Springs should get rain on > the 31st July, 1st & 2nd August, and have mentioned in other emails of > allowing for a 24 hour error rate each side of dates predicted. I have been > following your formula of lunar forecasts with interest - there are many > reasons for and against your methods - and this forecast of yours would be > an excellent and tough test, as we haven't had any rain since 23rd May > (3mm), and none before that since February. In fact, we've had only about 2 > days since May (from memory) where there has been some cloud cover. And the > usual weather patterns prevailed this week - the days actually became warmer > over your prediction period - today (2nd July) it was Fine and 26C, > yesterday it was Fine and 27C. -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:41:11 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com David It may appear I am begging the question, but the scientific terms are inadequate, just as the weather models are inadequate that exclude lunar factors. The moon theory of the air tide depends on the understanding that cold falls from space because of a thinner atmosphere, made so by the moon. It is uselss to talk of temperature as if it was a two-way process because the very word and therefore the concept is only defined as a function of a one-way process. Therein lies the problem and it is a fundamental one, because physicists cannot see past their own erroneously limited definition and having grown up with it feel obliged to defend it at all costs, despite logic. Commonsense does not prevail here. Cold is the opposite of heat, it should be the end of story. It is equal in conceptual importance and just goes the other way, also should be end of story. It actually DOES, but science cannot explain it using the language of thermodynamics. The only possible conclusion has to be that cold doesn't exist, only hot does. This is because they have beaten themselves into a verbal corner and can't get out of it. But we know that molecular excitation goes down or up. It only ceases at absolute zero, so there is plenty of room to talk of cooling as a separate process, much as the depth of a depression in psychiatry is not defined as a function of decreasing happiness. I know what you are saying about Heat being the physical quantity which describes the energy transfer between two bodies at different temperatures. I did physics to uni level. Now I say no, that is what the books say and it is too limiting. I cannot see why 'cold' cannot describe a transfer of heat energy away from a body in all reasonable commonsense. Perhaps I am in a vast minority but would hasten to point out that weather forecasting by the moon has a long way to go in order that the concepts be understood. Our language guides the way we think, and I think the majority have been misled by a thousand years of, in this area at least, an inadequate science both in its concepts and its vocabulary. And no one has yet explained the mountain-top thing.. cheers Ken > Ken, > I get rather upset when basic physical concepts are misunderstood or > misused. Heat is one concept (which others here have pointed out) that is > often misused and misunderstood, even in scientific circles. > > 'Heating' occurs when heat is transferred to a body. 'Cooling' occurs when > heat is transferred away from a body. Of course this definition allows > cooling. Heat can be positive, negative or zero. It is measured as a > transfer from one body or state to another. > > You stated > "We have something called a freezing point, we have ice, we know about > thawing. If there was no concept > of cold we wouldn't be able to measure those." > These rely on the temperature of the substance in question which we can > readily measure with a thermometer. Not the heat or a concept of 'cold'. If > I remove sufficient heat from a body of water, i.e. cool it, I will end up > with ice. The body of water will be at 273.15 K or less (below 0 C). The > freezing point of iron is 1535 C (1810 K) - would one consider that 'cold'? > Or the freezing point of helium - -272 C, ~1 K? > > I would suggest looking further afield than "Ask Jeeves" for a better > understanding of true physical concepts though. > > http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/heacon.html > http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/staff/blynds/tmp.html > > A few notes about verbs (since some others consider that to be important) > 'Hot' is the opposite of 'cold' ("Coffee is hot, ice cream is cold") They > describe a relative temperature difference. > 'To heat' (or perhaps 'to warm') is the opposite of 'to cool' > > I apologise if I sound aggressive, but I feel that I should stick up for > proper use of scientific terms. As I said before, "Heat" is misused too > often. Heat is the physical quantity which describes the energy transfer > between two bodies at different temperatures. > > Ken, You are more than welcome to use the term 'cold' to describe a > transfer of heat energy away from a body (when the final temperature of the > body is less than the initial temperature of the body), but I fear you > would be in a vast minority and you would only succeed in confusing the > majority. > > Also, the Eskimo probably thinks 0C is quite warm! > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:21 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Re: > > > > > As stated earlier, *heat* is the energy which flows between a system and > > it's environment due to a temperature difference between the two. In > > mathematical terms... > > Heat (Q) = C (T(final) - T(initial)) > I agree, but that's because the word "temperature" really refers > etymologically to heating, and is therefore an inadequate term because > falling temperature would in that sense be a contradiction. We need an > unbiased word that can describe both heat rise and cold fall. > > > *Heat* is a physical quantity that is easily measured. There is no > > equivalent for the concept of 'cold'. > I would say that cold is also easily measured. We have something called a > freezing point, we have ice, we know about thawing. If there was no concept > of cold we wouldn't be able to measure those. > > > The *temperature* of a body is a measure of the *internal energy* of that > > body. A change in temperature can only be brought about if a body either > > transfers heat, does work or has work done on it. > I agree. And if a body transfers heat we call it cooling. You have just > allowed that a change of temperature may be cooling OR heating. So you have > just allowed for a concept for cold. > > > Heat can be positive negative or zero. Temperature (and hence internal > > energy) can only be positive or zero (and even that is debatable). The > > concept of internal energy is probably more applicable to Ken's argument > > rather than heat. > > The concepts of heat, temperature and internal energy are intertwined - > and > > easily confused! That is all that has happened here. > I totally agree! But I think to say cold doesn't exist is a bit daft. I > wonder what an eskimo would say to that suggestion. > cheers > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 21:56 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > > > > Hi Kevin and all > > Am I the only Deluded One? Seems like I am! But I want to get to the > bottom > > of this! So purely for my OWN satisfaction I did a search of physics > sites. > > I found some interesting stuff, which indicates to me that in talking > about > > heat and cold we could be all having a word quibble. Maybe the > disagreement > > is just a loose definition. The trouble is, I did the Laws of > > Thermodynamics > > too at school but was never fully happy with them. So I went on Ask > Jeeves > > and asked about heating and cooling. Here's what I got. > > > > 1. "When examining systems, scientists measure a number called the > > TEMPERATURE GRADIENT. It's the change in temperature divided by the > > distance. The units are degrees per centimeter. If the temperature is > > dropping over a specific distance, the gradient is a negative value. If > the > > temperature goes up... Positive value. ." > > (Sounds to me from this statement that the writer thinks heating and > > cooling > > have equal mathematical importance here..) > > > > 2. "Warm air rises and cold air replaces it. The heat has moved.." > > (But then hasn't the cold also moved? Otherwise the heat couldn't have > > moved. And I always thought 'replaces' was a verb. Therefore, by the > rules > > of English the cold did move too. No?). > > > > 3. From the Dictionary of Etymology..the word "cold" comes from "gel" > > meaning to form a ball and to freeze. Derivations are many, amongst them > > chill, cloud, glacier, glue and globe. I think a definite reference to > > increase in viscosity is therefore implied, and so a definite movement > > between physical states(There is no reference to cold being defined as > the > > opposite of heat). On the other hand, the word "heat" comes from kai > which > > just means heat and hot. 'Transfer of thermal energy' doesn't mean > > anything. > > If you look up 'thermal' you get 'gwher-' which just means..to heat! So > not > > much help, just tautology. But look up "temperature" and it says 'the > > degree > > of hotness or coldness of a body or environment. A specific degree or > > hotness or coldness as indicated on or referred to a standard scale.." > > So I have to say in my mind cold seems to still be its own man! > > cheers > > Ken > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Phyland" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:29 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > > > > > Hi every1, > > > > > > Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... > > > > > > There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal > > energy > > > as has already been noted) > > > > > > Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to > > > another > > > > > > Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the > > AVERAGE > > > kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can > > have > > > gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) > > > > > > Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative > > momentum > > > changes on a surface. > > > > > > Just my thoughts. > > > > > > The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more > > > knowledgeable people to debate... > > > > > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the world^Òs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:51:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or 4 minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps should be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone know why, or is this called a coincidence? http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David Carroll" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Hail Storm - Bathurst Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:57:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
HI All.
 
At around 4.10pm this afternoon a massive hail storm hit the Bathurst area with force. I had looked at sky only 20 min earlier and thought we were going to cop a good storm. I was at friends place at the time, was amazed how quick the ground and roads turned white with hail. The hailstones were not that big, just alot of them. Winds were very high also. The traffic on the main highway traffic into Bathurst from Orange all slowed to a crawl. Im surprised there were not any accidents reported. 
 
I called the BOM Severe Wx section to advise what happened. The hail took many hours to melt, certainly a winter storm. It is very cold outside now, would possibly be snowing around the Oberon area tonight.
 
Dave
Bathurst
From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:20:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hear, hear, Phil. My feelings exactly. There seems to be some arguing going on that is best explained by your post. I'm here to read everyone's views. Maybe my views on watching nature's "signs" are considered out of whack, but it's what I've learned over the years and like to pass them on. We all have different ideas and maybe should watch and listen to some other views to get a different light on things. There's my 2.2 cents worth (2 cents plus GST) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: > While we are on Physics, allow me to deviate from topic far enough to > describe an experiment I did in front of a class of kids many years ago. > I had a brand new, unopened, vacuum-sealed jar of Vegemite. > With the class in utter silence I broke the seal and everyone heard a > loud hiss and a pop from the metal lid. > I then said, "Did everybody hear the vacuum leaking out?" and most of > the kids nodded. I then asked them to write about their observations and > what they think caused the sounds that they heard. > The power of suggestion was evidenced by the fact that most of the class > turned in essays about how much noise vacuums make while they are > escaping from sealed vessels. Someone even described the pop that was > made as the vacuum "exploded" out of the jar. Very few mentioned > anything about the sound made by the air rushing in. > The point of this story is that most of us believe in exactly what we are > taught and never question it again for the rest of our lives. > I did not fail any of the kids that wrote about the escaping vacuum, > after all, couldn't that be another valid way to describe the phenomenon? > So yeah, I did get Honours in Physics, and I know all the "correct" > scientific definitions (well, I used to know 'em anyway, probably > forgotten a lot by now!), but I am quite happy to hear Ken talking about > the "cold falling down" because I understand exactly what he means by it. > When I open the door of my upright freezer and see the condensation > falling through the air to the floor, I say to my kids, "Hey, look at the > cold falling out." They understand okay. > So that's my 2c worth. > And don't forget to listen for the vacuum coming out next time you open > a new jar of Vegemite! > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ken Ring" > To: > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:41:11 +1200 > Subject: aus-wx: Re: > > > David > > It may appear I am begging the question, but the scientific terms are > > inadequate, just as the weather models are inadequate that exclude > > lunar > > factors. The moon theory of the air tide depends on the understanding > > that > > cold falls from space because of a thinner atmosphere, made so by the > > moon. > > It is uselss to talk of temperature as if it was a two-way process > > because > > the very word and therefore the concept is only defined as a function > > of a > > one-way process. Therein lies the problem and it is a fundamental one, > > because physicists cannot see past their own erroneously limited > > definition > > and having grown up with it feel obliged to defend it at all costs, > > despite > > logic. > > Commonsense does not prevail here. Cold is the opposite of heat, it > > should > > be the end of story. It is equal in conceptual importance and just goes > > the > > other way, also should be end of story. It actually DOES, but science > > cannot > > explain it using the language of thermodynamics. The only possible > > conclusion has to be that cold doesn't exist, only hot does. This is > > because > > they have beaten themselves into a verbal corner and can't get out of > > it. > > But we know that molecular excitation goes down or up. It only ceases > > at > > absolute zero, so there is plenty of room to talk of cooling as a > > separate > > process, much as the depth of a depression in psychiatry is not defined > > as a > > function of decreasing happiness. > > I know what you are saying about Heat being the physical quantity which > > describes the energy transfer between two bodies at different > > temperatures. > > I did physics to uni level. Now I say no, that is what the books say > > and it > > is too limiting. I cannot see why 'cold' cannot describe a transfer of > > heat > > energy away from a body in all reasonable commonsense. Perhaps I am in > > a > > vast minority but would hasten to point out that weather forecasting by > > the > > moon has a long way to go in order that the concepts be understood. Our > > language guides the way we think, and I think the majority have been > > misled > > by a thousand years of, in this area at least, an inadequate science > > both in > > its concepts and its vocabulary. > > And no one has yet explained the mountain-top thing.. > > cheers > > Ken > > > > > > > Ken, > > > I get rather upset when basic physical concepts are misunderstood or > > > misused. Heat is one concept (which others here have pointed out) > > that is > > > often misused and misunderstood, even in scientific circles. > > > > [snip] > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:26:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Excellent stuff!!! I'm beginning to think the NE is the breeding ground for this stuff and me of all people has never caught any of this :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > Evening all, > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or 4 > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps should > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm > became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone > know why, or is this called a coincidence? > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 23:48:31 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Latest obs from HK X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:46:44 +0800 Subject: Latest obs from HK Just after completing the last e-mail, it suddenly became so dark that all the street lights came on. Then visibility dropped to less than 200 metres because of the driving rain. The wind here was strong enough to cause the whole building to shudder, but it only lasted at that strength for about a minute or so. The highest wind recorded (10-minute avge.) for Shatin was 21 km/h. There is no provision for recording gusts. After that one wild squall it became pretty quiet again with just alternating rain and no rain as the rainbands came and went. Other obs at 23:20 were 27.8C, 81%, 998.2 HPa, wind from N at 9.0 km/h It's all pretty quiet now so I'm going to bed. More tomorrow. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 06:29:27 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well done, Jane. Looking forward to those video captures and report as well. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:51:27 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > Evening all, > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or > 4 > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps > should > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm > became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone > know why, or is this called a coincidence? > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Peter Matters" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:15:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Excellent stuff Jane! And right on my doorstep!!!!!!! I could see the cell from Monegeeta (family bday party). The sunlit anvil looked quite impressive through the foreground Alrostratus. The buildup was pushing the cap from around lunchtime with TCU and Congestus everywhere. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > Evening all, > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or 4 > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps should > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm > became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone > know why, or is this called a coincidence? > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:25:14 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Morning report from HK X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:24:00 +0800 Subject: Morning report from HK Around midnight I looked at the pages of all the agencies and discovered that they were mostly predicting a direct hit on HK by TD 16W. I therefore commenced a page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/kammuri.htm to write up details on this storm. At the moment, about all that is in it are the captures I made at 06:30 local time this morning of the graphs from the HKO local AWS here. During the night there was not sufficient wind or rain to awaken me. This morning I am looking out the window at a cloud-filled sky with the clouds moving rapidly from North to South. The trees on the hillside are swaying, but not wildly. There is no rain at the moment. Obs at 07:00 are pasted below (if your e-mail views as HTML they should format into a table, if not they may appear as a mess):
Date/Time: 4/8/2002 07:00
Station        Temp RH   Max/Min  Dir/Speed Barometer HI
               (C)  (%)    (C)      (km/h)   (hPa)    (C)
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HK Observatory 27.2  82 27.5/26.2 ---/-----  994.6
King's Park    27.1  77 ----/---- N  / 19.4  994.2
Wong Chuk Hang 27.6  75 27.6/26.1 VRB/ 15.0 ------
Ta Kwu Ling    26.8  91 27.3/26.4 ---/ 19.0  995.0
Lau Fau Shan   27.2  83 27.3/26.7 N  / 27.0  995.0
Tai Po         28.7  70 29.1/28.6 ---/-----  995.0    32.1
Sha Tin        27.8  78 28.5/27.4 N  / 17.0  994.6
Tuen Mun       27.3  83 27.3/26.7 N  /  6.0 ------
Tseung Kwan O  26.3  86 26.3/25.4 N  / 12.0 ------
Sai Kung       26.5  85 27.4/26.2 N  / 25.0 ------
Cheung Chau    26.0  84 26.0/25.4 N  / 40.0  994.2
Chek Lap Kok   27.8  79 28.1/27.3 N  / 23.0  995.2
Tsing Yi       27.3  74 27.4/27.0 N  / 29.0 ------
Shek Kong      26.7  93 26.7/26.2 ---/-----  995.0
I live in Sha Tin where the wind is a steady 17.0 km/h from the North and the Temp is 27.8C and the RH 78%. The pressure has fallen to 994.6 HPa Here is this morning's warning from the HKO: ======== Bulletin issued at 06:57 HKT 04/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 has been issued. This means that a Tropical Cyclone now centred within about 800 kilometres of Hong Kong may affect us. At 7 a.m., Tropical Storm Kammuri in the northern part of the South China Sea was estimated to be about 190 kilometres south-southeast of Hong Kong (near 20.7 degrees north 114.7 degrees east). It is forecast to move northwest at about 8 kilometres per hour towards the coast of Guangdong. During the past few hours, Tropical Storm Kammuri stopped moving west and showed signs of changing its direction of movement. With the approach of Kammuri, winds inside the harbour will strengthen and the Observatory may have to consider issuing the Strong Wind Signal No.3 later today. (Precautionary Announcements with No. 1 Signal) (1) Some precautions against damage should be taken now, gutters and drains should be cleared of obstructions. Hinges, bolts, locks and shutters of windows and doors should be checked. (2) If you are planning to visit Macau, any of the off-shore islands or remote parts of Hong Kong, you are reminded that changes in weather may affect your plans. (3) Since sea state may be very rough, you are advised to stay away from the shoreline and not to engage in water sports. (4) Owners of small craft should ensure that their moorings are in good conditions and adequate, and take any precautions they consider necessary. (5) Listen to your radio or watch your TV for further weather information. ======== It's now time for me to get ready to go to church. More later. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Fridays hail storm Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:56:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Link to the Border Mail (Albury/Wodonga newspaper) report on the hail storm with some good pics.
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:08:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ken, Apologies for the confusion but David is not writing the email you responded to. It is my fault for using an email addy which is not on the list and thus David has to manually forward to the list (thank you for doing so David). I think we will have to agree to disagree on this topic. Having completed a major in Physics, I have learnt the information I have passed on to the list in the hope that others may choose to add it to their knowledge. It is up to the reader to decide which way they think. As for the mountain tops - how about more weight of air at lower levels, hence compression of air which leads to warming of the lower levels, then the higher peaks are cooler than the surface. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: aus-wx: Re: David It may appear I am begging the question, but the scientific terms are inadequate, just as the weather models are inadequate that exclude lunar factors. The moon theory of the air tide depends on the understanding that cold falls from space because of a thinner atmosphere, made so by the moon. It is uselss to talk of temperature as if it was a two-way process because the very word and therefore the concept is only defined as a function of a one-way process. Therein lies the problem and it is a fundamental one, because physicists cannot see past their own erroneously limited definition and having grown up with it feel obliged to defend it at all costs, despite logic. Commonsense does not prevail here. Cold is the opposite of heat, it should be the end of story. It is equal in conceptual importance and just goes the other way, also should be end of story. It actually DOES, but science cannot explain it using the language of thermodynamics. The only possible conclusion has to be that cold doesn't exist, only hot does. This is because they have beaten themselves into a verbal corner and can't get out of it. But we know that molecular excitation goes down or up. It only ceases at absolute zero, so there is plenty of room to talk of cooling as a separate process, much as the depth of a depression in psychiatry is not defined as a function of decreasing happiness. I know what you are saying about Heat being the physical quantity which describes the energy transfer between two bodies at different temperatures. I did physics to uni level. Now I say no, that is what the books say and it is too limiting. I cannot see why 'cold' cannot describe a transfer of heat energy away from a body in all reasonable commonsense. Perhaps I am in a vast minority but would hasten to point out that weather forecasting by the moon has a long way to go in order that the concepts be understood. Our language guides the way we think, and I think the majority have been misled by a thousand years of, in this area at least, an inadequate science both in its concepts and its vocabulary. And no one has yet explained the mountain-top thing.. cheers Ken > Ken, > I get rather upset when basic physical concepts are misunderstood or > misused. Heat is one concept (which others here have pointed out) that is > often misused and misunderstood, even in scientific circles. > > 'Heating' occurs when heat is transferred to a body. 'Cooling' occurs when > heat is transferred away from a body. Of course this definition allows > cooling. Heat can be positive, negative or zero. It is measured as a > transfer from one body or state to another. > > You stated > "We have something called a freezing point, we have ice, we know about > thawing. If there was no concept > of cold we wouldn't be able to measure those." > These rely on the temperature of the substance in question which we can > readily measure with a thermometer. Not the heat or a concept of 'cold'. If > I remove sufficient heat from a body of water, i.e. cool it, I will end up > with ice. The body of water will be at 273.15 K or less (below 0 C). The > freezing point of iron is 1535 C (1810 K) - would one consider that 'cold'? > Or the freezing point of helium - -272 C, ~1 K? > > I would suggest looking further afield than "Ask Jeeves" for a better > understanding of true physical concepts though. > > http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/heacon.html > http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/staff/blynds/tmp.html > > A few notes about verbs (since some others consider that to be important) > 'Hot' is the opposite of 'cold' ("Coffee is hot, ice cream is cold") They > describe a relative temperature difference. > 'To heat' (or perhaps 'to warm') is the opposite of 'to cool' > > I apologise if I sound aggressive, but I feel that I should stick up for > proper use of scientific terms. As I said before, "Heat" is misused too > often. Heat is the physical quantity which describes the energy transfer > between two bodies at different temperatures. > > Ken, You are more than welcome to use the term 'cold' to describe a > transfer of heat energy away from a body (when the final temperature of the > body is less than the initial temperature of the body), but I fear you > would be in a vast minority and you would only succeed in confusing the > majority. > > Also, the Eskimo probably thinks 0C is quite warm! > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:21 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Re: > > > > > As stated earlier, *heat* is the energy which flows between a system and > > it's environment due to a temperature difference between the two. In > > mathematical terms... > > Heat (Q) = C (T(final) - T(initial)) > I agree, but that's because the word "temperature" really refers > etymologically to heating, and is therefore an inadequate term because > falling temperature would in that sense be a contradiction. We need an > unbiased word that can describe both heat rise and cold fall. > > > *Heat* is a physical quantity that is easily measured. There is no > > equivalent for the concept of 'cold'. > I would say that cold is also easily measured. We have something called a > freezing point, we have ice, we know about thawing. If there was no concept > of cold we wouldn't be able to measure those. > > > The *temperature* of a body is a measure of the *internal energy* of that > > body. A change in temperature can only be brought about if a body either > > transfers heat, does work or has work done on it. > I agree. And if a body transfers heat we call it cooling. You have just > allowed that a change of temperature may be cooling OR heating. So you have > just allowed for a concept for cold. > > > Heat can be positive negative or zero. Temperature (and hence internal > > energy) can only be positive or zero (and even that is debatable). The > > concept of internal energy is probably more applicable to Ken's argument > > rather than heat. > > The concepts of heat, temperature and internal energy are intertwined - > and > > easily confused! That is all that has happened here. > I totally agree! But I think to say cold doesn't exist is a bit daft. I > wonder what an eskimo would say to that suggestion. > cheers > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 21:56 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > > > > Hi Kevin and all > > Am I the only Deluded One? Seems like I am! But I want to get to the > bottom > > of this! So purely for my OWN satisfaction I did a search of physics > sites. > > I found some interesting stuff, which indicates to me that in talking > about > > heat and cold we could be all having a word quibble. Maybe the > disagreement > > is just a loose definition. The trouble is, I did the Laws of > > Thermodynamics > > too at school but was never fully happy with them. So I went on Ask > Jeeves > > and asked about heating and cooling. Here's what I got. > > > > 1. "When examining systems, scientists measure a number called the > > TEMPERATURE GRADIENT. It's the change in temperature divided by the > > distance. The units are degrees per centimeter. If the temperature is > > dropping over a specific distance, the gradient is a negative value. If > the > > temperature goes up... Positive value. ." > > (Sounds to me from this statement that the writer thinks heating and > > cooling > > have equal mathematical importance here..) > > > > 2. "Warm air rises and cold air replaces it. The heat has moved.." > > (But then hasn't the cold also moved? Otherwise the heat couldn't have > > moved. And I always thought 'replaces' was a verb. Therefore, by the > rules > > of English the cold did move too. No?). > > > > 3. From the Dictionary of Etymology..the word "cold" comes from "gel" > > meaning to form a ball and to freeze. Derivations are many, amongst them > > chill, cloud, glacier, glue and globe. I think a definite reference to > > increase in viscosity is therefore implied, and so a definite movement > > between physical states(There is no reference to cold being defined as > the > > opposite of heat). On the other hand, the word "heat" comes from kai > which > > just means heat and hot. 'Transfer of thermal energy' doesn't mean > > anything. > > If you look up 'thermal' you get 'gwher-' which just means..to heat! So > not > > much help, just tautology. But look up "temperature" and it says 'the > > degree > > of hotness or coldness of a body or environment. A specific degree or > > hotness or coldness as indicated on or referred to a standard scale.." > > So I have to say in my mind cold seems to still be its own man! > > cheers > > Ken > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Phyland" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:29 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > > > > > > > Hi every1, > > > > > > Unless all the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed... > > > > > > There is no such thing as negative heat (cold is absence of thermal > > energy > > > as has already been noted) > > > > > > Heat is a VERB. It is the TRANSFER of thermal energy from one object to > > > another > > > > > > Temperature is a human devised variable which is proportional to the > > AVERAGE > > > kinetic energy of molecules in a substance (which explains why you can > > have > > > gaseous water (vapour) at room temperature) > > > > > > Negative pressure would imply that molecules are causing negative > > momentum > > > changes on a surface. > > > > > > Just my thoughts. > > > > > > The obscure physics involving lunar wx forecasting I'll leave to more > > > knowledgeable people to debate... > > > > > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the world^Òs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Fridays hail storm Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:01:33 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
the story's ok exept the photos of melrose drive and dean st are the same.
 
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richard modistach
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Fridays hail storm

Link to the Border Mail (Albury/Wodonga newspaper) report on the hail storm with some good pics.
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:46:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 00:48:43.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[AED82AE0:01C23B50] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane. What a fantastic series of photos showing your tornado, congratulations, I think you have now bagged two! tornadoes in Victoria a very worthy effort, three cheers for Jane, Hip Hip...................... regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Aussie-wx Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > Evening all, > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or 4 > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps should > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm > became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone > know why, or is this called a coincidence? > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Cc: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:59:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anthony Cornelius wrote elsewhere: "I think this is a fantastic example why your eyes should be on the sky all the time! Something like this can so easily be missed. I also wonder how many other tornadoes may have occurred yesterday in Victoria and southern NSW (although the main line of storms was a squall line I believe)." Anthony and all, I've also got a pan of 2 storms to the west just a bit earlier than the Euroa event with one seeming to try to funnel, but if it succeeded I didn't see it, and I also have shots of a convergence line passing through Melbourne near 2pm with suspicious lowerings over Vermont South (which I'll add later) - so I agree Anthony - I reckon there might have been a few more in the area yesterday that weren't spotted. While rushing back to the car to get something yesterday I was almost run over by 6 people riding their horses into Euroa - they could clearly see what I was videoing and getting excited about, but they weren't in the least bit interested, which begs the question, how may tornadoes & funnels are seen and people say "oh yeah..." and that's the end of it????? Fortunately there are at least 3 eye witnesses of the Euroa tornado that I have to ring today. and if you'd like to have another look at the page below - I've put up 30 video captures this morning - I'm still linking the full sized images but the thumbnails are there. http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Matters" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > Excellent stuff Jane! And right on my doorstep!!!!!!! > I could see the cell from Monegeeta (family bday party). The sunlit anvil > looked quite impressive through the foreground Alrostratus. The buildup was > pushing the cap from around lunchtime with TCU and Congestus everywhere. > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: "Aussie-wx" > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:51 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > > > > Evening all, > > > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern > > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or 4 > > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps should > > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like > > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal > > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm > > became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone > > know why, or is this called a coincidence? > > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- - > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:50:00 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:59 AM 4/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >and if you'd like to have another look at the page below - I've put up >30 video captures this morning - I'm still linking the full sized images >but the thumbnails are there. >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm Where? I just looked, and only last night's pics are there, no thumbnails. :( 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:58:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com More images from yesterday showing just how unstable conditions were, and not just over Euroa - suspicious lowerings over Melbourne, possible funnels west of Euroa, a horizontal incloud vapour vortex at sunset and more lowerings after sunset, and another funnel.... http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3a_08_02.htm Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:12:35 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:59 AM 4/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: I just posted that Jane's pics weren't online. That turned out to be a mistake (must have been looking while she was uploading more). They're all there now. Enjoy! Jane's URL for those who missed it http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:16:25 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 12:58 PM 4/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >More images from yesterday showing just how unstable conditions were, >and not just over Euroa - suspicious lowerings over Melbourne, possible >funnels west of Euroa, a horizontal incloud vapour vortex at sunset and >more lowerings after sunset, and another funnel.... > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3a_08_02.htm Thanks, some more excellent pics. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 14:41:17 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Re: TS Kammuri slides to the south of Hong Kong X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "Bruno Benjamin" , "Carl Smith" , "Dickson Fu" , "Eric Blake" , "Gary Padgett" , "Huang Chunliang" , "Jean Marc de Maroussem" , "Jean Paul Hoarau" , "Jim Edds" , "Jim Leonard" , "John Wallace" , "Jose Garcia" , "Karl Hoarau" , "Kevin Boyle" , "Matthew Saxby" , "Michael Bath" , "Michael Pitt" , "Michael V Padua" , "Mike Theiss" , "Patrick Hoareau" , "Richard Henning" , "Simon Clarke" , "Sin Kam Lung \(Eddie\)" , "Rolando Balotro" Cc: "Phil Smith at DRDISK" , "___Phil Smith at school" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:25:02 +0800 Subject: Re: TS Kammuri slides to the south of Hong Kong Back from church and lunch now. Rain has been more or less steady all morning with just a few brief breaks. There has been a little bit of gusty wind, but not really much to speak of. Steady light rain at present falling straight down (no wind) and limiting visibility to about 800 metres. 14:00 obs from various parts of HK are:
Date/Time: 4/8/2002 14:00
Station        Temp RH   Max/Min  Dir/Speed Barometer HI
               (C)  (%)    (C)      (km/h)   (hPa)    (C)
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HK Observatory 27.1  89 27.8/26.0 ---/-----  992.3   
King's Park    27.1  84 ----/---- N  / 16.9  992.0   
Wong Chuk Hang 27.3  84 28.3/26.1 E  / 23.0 ------   
Ta Kwu Ling    26.3  97 29.6/26.2 ---/ 13.0  992.7   
Lau Fau Shan   29.3  74 29.6/26.7 N  / 32.0  992.0    34.2
Tai Po         28.6  77 29.5/26.9 ---/-----  992.7    33.1
Sha Tin        27.9  84 28.6/26.3 N  / 13.0  992.5   
Tuen Mun       28.9  79 29.7/26.4 N  / 10.0 ------    34.3
Tseung Kwan O  26.3  92 27.5/25.4 N  / 15.0 ------   
Sai Kung       26.7  88 28.0/25.5 N  / 29.0 ------   
Cheung Chau    27.5  83 28.5/25.4 N  / 27.0  991.8   
Chek Lap Kok   28.3  87 31.5/26.6 E  / 16.0  992.3    34.1
Tsing Yi       27.9  78 29.2/26.1 N  / 26.0 ------   
Shek Kong      26.9  98 29.5/26.1 ---/-----  992.4   
Here in Sha Tin where I live the wind is measured at 13.0 km/h from the North but it is calm outside my windows. There isn't a leaf stirring on the trees ATM. Temp is 27.9C, RH is 84%, presure is now down to 992.5 HPa. The heavy clouds are still racing across the sky from N to S and while typing only a couple of sentences the rain has stopped and I can see clear to the mountains. Latest warning from the HKO is pasted: ============== Bulletin issued at 14:06 HKT 04/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 has been issued. This means that a Tropical Cyclone now centred within about 800 kilometres of Hong Kong may affect us. At 2 p.m., Tropical Storm Kammuri was estimated to be about 170 kilometres south-southeast of Hong Kong (near 21.0 degrees north 115.0 degrees east). It is forecast to move on a northerly track at about 8 kilometres per hour edging towards the coast of Guangdong. During the past one to two hours, Tropical Storm Kammuri appeared to move on a more northerly track. When Kammuri edges closer to Hong Kong later today, winds inside the harbour will strengthen and issuance of the Strong Wind Signal No.3 may be needed. (1) Some precautions against damage should be taken now, gutters and drains should be cleared of obstructions. Hinges, bolts, locks and shutters of windows and doors should be checked. (2) People living in wooden huts and in low-lying areas should take necessary precautions against strong winds and flooding. (3) If you are planning to visit Macau, any of the off-shore islands or remote parts of Hong Kong, you are reminded that changes in weather may affect your plans. (4) Since sea state may be rough, you are advised to stay away from the shoreline and not to engage in water sports. (5) Owners of shop signs, advertisements and TV aerials which overhang public thoroughfares or which are situated on tops of buildings should make sure that the fastenings and framework of these structures are secured. (6) Listen to your radio or watch your TV for further weather information. ================ As there is really not much danger from the wind at present, I suspect it will be a while yet before Signal number Three is hoisted. More later. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Clarke To: Rolando Balotro ; Sin Kam Lung (Eddie) ; Simon Clarke ; Richard Henning ; Phil Smith ; Patrick Hoareau ; Mike Theiss ; Michael V Padua ; Michael Pitt ; Michael Bath ; Matthew Saxby ; Kevin Boyle ; Karl Hoarau ; Jose Garcia ; John Wallace ; Jim Leonard ; Jim Edds ; Jean Paul Hoarau ; Jean Marc de Maroussem ; Huang Chunliang ; Gary Padgett ; Eric Blake ; Dickson Fu ; Carl Smith ; Bruno Benjamin Sent: Sunday, 04 August, 2002 14:02 Subject: TS Kammuri slides to the south of Hong Kong Looking forward to your updates Phil Regards Simon +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:10:42 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ken, Do you call rain falling within 350km close? If that's your margin of error then you will certainly end up with an impressive accuracy rate. But seriously, I would have thought there would at least have to be measurable rain in the town itself before you could verify it as a correct forecast. How close does the rain need to be before you give your forecast a big tick. I also want to add that the report of 26mm at Mintabie was almost certainly incorrect. There has been no rain in northern SA for almost three months. You can see the past 7 days of rainfall here: http://www.weatherzone.com.au/misc/climate.jsp?chart=1_week_Rain_Totals& state=SA Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2002 10:06 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs Hi Duncan and all Thanks for that report. I'm certainly pleased rain fell somewhere in the general area as I predicted. Bear in mind I was going off historical reports by some person but I have no idea who wrote it or where that person happened to be standing with respect to the general area. All I did was access the time to look at the report. Moon data led me right to the time. That's one reason I ask for a 24 hr error. He/she might have been reporting the next day. So the next question is, was it coincidence that I got so close? And the next question, how many coincidences = a theory? regards Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:46 AM Subject: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs > G'day Ken, > You mentioned at the start of the week that Alice Springs should get > rain on > the 31st July, 1st & 2nd August, and have mentioned in other emails of > allowing for a 24 hour error rate each side of dates predicted. I have been > following your formula of lunar forecasts with interest - there are > many reasons for and against your methods - and this forecast of yours > would be an excellent and tough test, as we haven't had any rain since > 23rd May (3mm), and none before that since February. In fact, we've > had only about 2 > days since May (from memory) where there has been some cloud cover. > And the > usual weather patterns prevailed this week - the days actually became warmer > over your prediction period - today (2nd July) it was Fine and 26C, > yesterday it was Fine and 27C. Anyone who can attempt long term daily > forecasts in an unpredictable region such as this (especially > forecasting rain in a desert winter) and be successful certainly has a > talent! But having said this, I noticed on the South Australian > Observations that Mintabie, about an hour West of Marla in S.A.'s far > North, and a place that > has similar weather (and lunar) patterns to Alice Springs, did indeed > receive rainfall - 26mm on 1st August! So I am none the wiser on how > accurate your forecasts are. Perhaps the sceptics (I am still one, but > less so after this week) may become believers if you can deliver > accurate forecasts on a fairly regular basis for regions that have > very unpredictable weather. Desert regions certainly fall into this > category. I feel that regions that receive frontal > rainfall weather can be fairly easy to predict by working out averages > and doing some number crunching, as others on this list have > suggested. Predicting how much rain that falls is the hard question. > But to predict when it rains in somewhere like Mintabie is > unbelievable, more so if this can be done regularly. Please everyone > get off the physics lessons - reminds me too much of boring > (for me) physics classes at school! > Cheers, > Duncan Treloar > Alice Springs > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Ring" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2002 9:51 am > Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > Richard > > I am satisfied with my hit rate, as must be others as my free ezine > > list > has > > risen from nothing to over 800 in about a year. The thing is, > > evaluation > is > > rather subjective. An Auckland secondary school group(St > > Cuthberts)for a science project studied me for three months and gave > > me 87%. Others have said 75-80%. Only one group for some reason seem > > to find my accuracy is > low > > level - meteorologists. It all comes down to what someone calls a > > dry or > wet > > day. I don't even like to identify days, only trends or 3-4 day > > windows. > If > > it comes down to a day then I ask for a 24hr potential error, which still > > ends up as a 3-4 day window. This because I think in the past that > > was all > > that was required. People wanted to know if they had a storm coming > > this week, or a run of good weather. They didn't have to be > > somewhere at 2 > oclock > > next friday! That's why I try to steer people toward my isobaric > > maps, > which > > is what I first arrive at in my calculations. After that it comes > > down to > > interpretation. When I say maps I mean those from the past that I > > come up > > with and can point to and say will probably repeat on a given future day. > > cheers > > Ken > > www.predictweather.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "richard modistach" > > To: "weather mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:45 AM > > Subject: Fw: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > ken, > > > > > > i admire your get up and go to LRF, what sort of hit rate have you been > > > getting? and is your hit rate improving with time? $70 for 1 weeks obs. > > > whoever plucked that figure out of their backside need to be > > > sacked, > thats > > > dispicable. makes me want to buy 20 years worth and post the whole > > > lot > on > > > the internet. > > > > > > regards > > > richard modistach > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ken Ring > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:13 PM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > First of all, it doesn't matter to me if I'm taken seriously or > > > > not > > > anymore. > > > > Enough farmers etc are buying my books and keeping me busy. I > > > > answer > > about > > > > 20-30 email requests per day for forecasts and quite frankly I > > > > would > > > rather > > > > not, but it seems there is no where else that will provide it. > > > > Not the > > > > regular metservices, as I'm told, for anything beyond a couple > > > > of days > > > > ahead, and according to a Herald Digipoll taken in my country in 1998, > > out > > > > of 663 people questioned, only 37% had any faith in the official > > > > forecasters, which is rather sad. But you will notice that on > > > > the 23rd > > on > > > > this forum I forecast shower activity for Sydney and Perth > > > > between > > 27-29, > > > > clearing by 30th, with a 24hr potential error. There are some > > > > who > would > > > find > > > > that useful but others who would find it something amusing. Then there > > > would > > > > be others who would rush to random number generators in order to > satisfy > > > > themselves that I had nothing of value. The point is, I don't > > > > have to > > > > convince anybody of anything. The system is there, I have > > > > described it > > for > > > > anyone interested and they can take it or leave it. > > > > > > > > As to your next point, with respect, I would rather you took the > trouble > > > to > > > > read what's on my website, so you familiarise yourself with the theory > > of > > > > lunar forecasting before I spend hours explaining it. After that > > > > we > can > > > get > > > > into a discussion over the finer points. I find the most > > > > vehement > > critics > > > > are those who won't bother even looking into it to familiarise > > themselves > > > > with where I am coming from, but because they think they are > scientists > > > they > > > > assume they must be qualified to comment on anything. I realise > > > > this > is > > > > left-field, but so have been all the science mavericks from Copernicus > > > down. > > > > In fact Galileo, Newton, Franklin, Kepler, Copernicus, Laplace, > > > > even Flamstead who started the Greenwich Royal Observatory, -men > > > > who were > the > > > > founding fathers of modern science - all would have described > themselves > > > as > > > > astrologers. There is nothing wrong with the unusual and there should > be > > > > always room for new approaches and reform. > > > > > > > > I get challenged because I am not a qualified meteorologist, whatever > > that > > > > is. But I have never claimed to be one and I don't think > > > > meteorology > can > > > > adequately explain weather, which I put down to a mix of maths > > > > and astronomy. But I do think studying this subject for 27 > > > > years, watching > > the > > > > moon correlate with weather daily and writing about 8 books on > > > > the > > subject > > > > makes me somewhat qualified to have an idea or two. It would be > > > > an unreasonable to expect me to discuss this subject with > > > > someone who > > hasn't > > > > read anything, written anything nor empirically collected any > > > > data > that > > > > related to the moon. > > > > > > > > After reading my articles you will see that my thoughts are that > > > > our rainfall varies from year to year because of a thing called > > > > the Nodal > > > Cycle, > > > > the phase of the moon is a very small part of what the moon > > > > does, nor > is > > > > phase even constant, and there is nothing special about the > > > > moon's > > > behaviour > > > > other than that it is, like the sun and every other planet, completely > > > > cyclic, and as, I have discovered, is the weather. > > > > > > > > I do think my explanation is detailed, but I can't comment on > > 'profound', > > > as > > > > interpretation is almost certainly in the eye of the beholder. > > > > If I > say > > > dry > > > > and it rains overnight but is a sunny day, one person may say it > > > > was a > > dry > > > > day and another a wet one. The thing is, if the system works for > someone > > > > then it's a worthy one. You clearly find my conclusions hard to accept > > re > > > > August rainfall. I suggest we wait until the month is over > > > > before > > passing > > > > judgement. If I was way out I'll stand corrected. We all make > mistakes - > > > > that's how we learn. > > > > > > > > It seems you are part of the BoM. You have a complete advantage > > > > over > me > > in > > > > that you are paid to do research and have free access to > > > > historical > data > > > and > > > > multimillion dollar equipment. . I'm not. I have no resources > > > > and have > > to > > > > earn a living doing something else. If I want any obs I have to > > > > pay > > > through > > > > the absolute nose for it. Like $70 for a week's worth. They > > > > screw me > and > > > > it's not right, in my opinion. So I have to rely a lot on > > > > newspapers > > from > > > > the past. That makes any success that I achieve all the more > fantastic. > > > > best wishes > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Jones" > > > > To: > > > > Cc: "David Jones" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:58 AM > > > > Subject: aus-wx: lunar forecasts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken, > > > > > > > > > > If you and your non-conventional predictions want to be taken > > seriously, > > > > can > > > > > you please explain. > > > > > > > > > > Why, does our rainfall vary from year to year?, given that the phase > > of > > > > the > > > > > moon is a completely regular occurrence, and accordingly to > > > > > your > > > > prediction > > > > > dominant. And, what is so special about the moon's behavior > > > > > this > year > > > that > > > > > leads you to believe that the August through November period should > > only > > > > get > > > > > ~110mm of rain in Sydney, an amount that would place it within > > > > > the > > > driest > > > > > 10% of historical observations, and not far from the driest > > > > > such > > period > > > on > > > > > record. > > > > > > > > > > Given the shear desperation of many rural producers currently > enduring > > > > > drought in eastern Australia, I trust you have a very good > scientific > > > > theory > > > > > to back your profound and detailed predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr David Jones > > > > > > > > > > Head Climate Analysis Section > > > > > National Climate Centre > > > > > Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 > > > > > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4085 Victoria > > > > > 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 email : > > > > > D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > > > > > body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > > > > body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > > of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au--------------------------- > > --- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Jane's Tornado Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:54:11 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 08:54:12.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[80B63AA0:01C23B94] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Rock on Jane!!! Well done!! Looking forward to seeing the footage at the next VIC meeting. Let's hope for more to come! GO VIC!!!! Liam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Peter Matters" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fridays hail storm Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:06:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
On Friday I was woken by thunder at 0800. A small cell had passed over Broadford heading south, from which I videod some weak rotation. Lightning was infrequent (>1 Min apart), but I saw inflow scud from the north and west.
 
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:56 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Fridays hail storm

Link to the Border Mail (Albury/Wodonga newspaper) report on the hail storm with some good pics.
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Mark Dwyer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:21:18 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane, Good question there Jane, As this was the same with the Thornlie Tornado, back in the winter of 2000. MJ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Evening all, Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or 4 minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps should be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone know why, or is this called a coincidence? http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:36:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Mark & all, After speaking to 3 locals this afternoon and reviewing the video (9 minutes worth), I realised that the lightning had originated just above the wall cloud and had left the cloud and doubled back almost instantly just above the tornado - I'll try to get a video still of it. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Dwyer" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > Hi Jane, > > Good question there Jane, As this was the same with the Thornlie Tornado, > back in the winter of 2000. > > MJ. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: "Aussie-wx" > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 7:51 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > > > Evening all, > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or 4 > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps should > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm > became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone > know why, or is this called a coincidence? > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Dwyer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:17:21 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane, Cool, yeah cause on the Thornlie event, I seen the lightning strike occur, and the cell was moving that fast as they do in winter, it was like one flash, bang and it was gone... And after talking to the locals about the time the tornado occurred, the lightning occurred during the time the tornado was already on the ground be it that was very long either. MJ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:36 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Mark & all, After speaking to 3 locals this afternoon and reviewing the video (9 minutes worth), I realised that the lightning had originated just above the wall cloud and had left the cloud and doubled back almost instantly just above the tornado - I'll try to get a video still of it. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Dwyer" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > Hi Jane, > > Good question there Jane, As this was the same with the Thornlie Tornado, > back in the winter of 2000. > > MJ. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: "Aussie-wx" > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 7:51 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > > > Evening all, > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in northern > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 or 4 > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps should > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm > became lightning active but not until ****after**** touchdown...anyone > know why, or is this called a coincidence? > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:46:45 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Saturday evening report from HK X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached report: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:42:52 +0800 Subject: Saturday evening report from HK The centre of Tropical Storm KAMMURI is currently about 129 km (81 miles) South East of here. Still only Typhoon Signal One (Stand By) here at 20:00. That's surprising, as I have just been outside in it and nearly blown away. I went up to the Baptist University Quarters up on top of the mountain overlooking our home and at about 19:00 up there it was blowing so hard that it was difficult to stand still without holding on to something. The rain was torrential and blowing almost horizontally in under the carport. As we came back down the hill there had already been one very minor landslide and the road was flooded in many places. Maximum wind speed recored at Sha Tin AWS (down in the rather sheltered valley) was only 24 km/h. By 19:30 the rain had stopped again and the wind had died down. All afternoon there has been one squall following another. I have just added the graphs from the HKO's AWS to my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/kammuri.htm for those interested in the details. I shall attempt to add some written details to the page a little later. Obs at 20:10 for all parts of HK were:
Date/Time: 4/8/2002 20:10
Station        Temp RH   Max/Min  Dir/Speed Barometer HI
               (C)  (%)    (C)      (km/h)   (hPa)    (C)
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HK Observatory 26.7  89 28.4/25.9 ---/-----  991.2   
King's Park    26.7  82 ----/---- N  / 17.3  990.9   
Wong Chuk Hang 27.2  80 28.8/26.1 VRB/ 10.0 ------   
Ta Kwu Ling    28.5  85 29.6/26.2 ---/ 22.0  991.5    34.3
Lau Fau Shan   28.6  75 29.6/26.2 N  / 35.0  991.3    32.7
Tai Po         29.3  67 30.3/26.9 ---/-----  991.4    32.8
Sha Tin        27.4  84 29.4/26.3 N  / 12.0  991.4   
Tuen Mun       29.2  71 29.9/26.4 N  / 11.0 ------    33.4
Tseung Kwan O  26.1  89 27.5/25.4 N  / 15.0 ------   
Sai Kung       26.4  88 28.8/25.5 N  / 24.0 ------   
Cheung Chau    26.6  82 28.5/25.4 N  / 21.0  991.3   
Chek Lap Kok   29.6  67 31.5/26.6 N  / 16.0  991.7    33.4
Tsing Yi       27.5  77 29.2/26.1 N  / 13.0 ------   
Shek Kong      28.0  86 29.5/26.1 ---/-----  991.3    33.1
Here is the most recent HKO warning: ============== Bulletin issued at 19:46 HKT 04/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 has been issued. This means that a Tropical Cyclone now centred within about 800 kilometres of Hong Kong may affect us. At 8 p.m., Tropical Storm Kammuri was estimated to be about 130 kilometres southeast of Hong Kong (near 21.6 degrees north 115.2 degrees east). It is forecast to move north at about 10 kilometres per hour edging towards the coast of Guangdong. =============== And here is their previous Bulletin: ================= Bulletin issued at 19:10 HKT 04/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 has been issued. This means that a Tropical Cyclone now centred within about 800 kilometres of Hong Kong may affect us. At 7 p.m., Tropical Storm Kammuri was estimated to be about 140 kilometres southeast of Hong Kong (near 21.5 degrees north 115.2 degrees east). It is forecast to move north at about 10 kilometres per hour edging towards the coast of Guangdong. Winds over Hong Kong now are generally northerlies. Although Kammuri is edging closer slowly, winds inside the harbour have not yet strengthened significantly due to terrain sheltering. According to the present forecast track for Kammuri, issuance of the Strong Wind Signal No.3 may still be required overnight. During the past hour, the mean wind speed recorded at Waglan Island was 52 kilometres per hour and that recorded at Cheung Chau was 31 kilometres per hour. (1) Some precautions against damage should be taken now, gutters and drains should be cleared of obstructions. Hinges, bolts, locks and shutters of windows and doors should be checked. (2) People living in wooden huts and in low-lying areas should take necessary precautions against strong winds and flooding. (3) If you are planning to visit Macau, any of the off-shore islands or remote parts of Hong Kong, you are reminded that changes in weather may affect your plans. (4) Listen to your radio or watch your TV for further weather information. =================The observatory's most recent forecast track places the storm closest to HK at about 09:00 or 10:00 tomorrow morning local time. More later. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:54:23 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Lightning always seems to precede tornados because they tend to be near the back of the storm. However I have seen pretty active lightning all around a tornado while it is happening. But seeing a tornado in the dark of night is the best of all: it glows from the electrical activity that is going on inside the tornado. Actually I have only seen this once, so it might not be the norm. It is certainly spectacular though. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:36:30 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > Mark & all, > > After speaking to 3 locals this afternoon and reviewing the video (9 > minutes worth), I realised that the lightning had originated just above > the wall cloud and had left the cloud and doubled back almost instantly > just above the tornado - I'll try to get a video still of it. > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Dwyer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > > > > Hi Jane, > > > > Good question there Jane, As this was the same with the Thornlie > Tornado, > > back in the winter of 2000. > > > > MJ. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jane ONeill" > > To: "Aussie-wx" > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 7:51 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria > > > > > > Evening all, > > > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in > northern > > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3 > or > 4 > > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps > should > > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features, like > > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal > > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm > > became lightning active but not until ****after**** > touchdown...anyone > > know why, or is this called a coincidence? > > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:58:54 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, I had forgotten about that one, Chas. When I was in the Learmonth Young Farmers Club donkey's years ago, there were some characters there who swore by that saying too. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:45:12 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: A WEATHER SAYING > > > > > When I was a kid in Victoria 50 years ago, the oldies all had a > saying > > that if it rained on > > When I was a kid in Western Australia 40 years ago, the oldies had a > saying > that if it did not rain by the full moon it will not rain till the new > moon. > This was important for the break of the season for putting the wheat > crop > in. > > Chas > Strahan Tasmania > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 00:50:24 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: BoM comms computer upgrades Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just saw this on a BoM data page I use. "Please note between 11:15am and 12:15pm on Monday, the 5th of August, (that is, for one hour) there will be no feed of data to the Bureau's web and ftp servers, although the servers themselves will still be on-line and available. This is due to a major upgrade of the Bureau's communications computers. " +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Hail Report - Local Paper To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:16:05 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CENTRAL01/Servers/Country Energy(Release 5.07a |May 14, 2001) at 05/08/2002 09:15:58 AM Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com http://www.bathurst.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&story_id=169359&category=general%20news HI all. Report and pic of hail in Bathurst at this above website. 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It should soon make landfall near Shanwei, China. Its centre is currently about 177 km (110 miles) ENE of here. The wind got noisy enough to wake me a couple of times during the night, but I think that was because neighbours had not "battened down their hatches" and loose objects were clattering about. Certainly there has not been another wind peak recorded to equal the squall I mentioned last night. This morning I awoke around 06:00 and noticed that the low clouds were now scudding across from West to East. The higher clouds above them are moving from South to North. I looked at the AWS and it claimed the wind was from the North! I looked out at the trees, which were swaying mightily, and they clearly indicated a Westerly wind. It took nearly an hour for the AWS to catch up with the wind direction. See my posting at http://www.weather.org.hk/discus/messages/1/3750.html?MondayAugust5200207 37am where several AWS outputs have been captured. (You may have to cut and paste and reassemble that URL, depending on your e-mail program). The wind is now variable from the West to the South West judging from the clouds and the trees, since the AWS appears to be erratic. After I send this, I shall update the graphs on my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/kammuri.htm and I may start to add some written reports there, if I get time. Since 06:00 there has been one brief squall but all is quiet at the moment. Here are the current obs for all of HK:
Date/Time: 5/8/2002 07:40
Station        Temp RH   Max/Min  Dir/Speed Barometer HI
               (C)  (%)    (C)      (km/h)   (hPa)    (C)
----------------------------------------------------------
HK Observatory 26.8  83 27.8/25.1 ---/-----  992.4   
King's Park    26.4  80 ----/---- W  / 11.9  992.2   
Wong Chuk Hang 27.3  79 27.7/25.7 N  / 14.0 ------   
Ta Kwu Ling    25.3  96 27.3/24.4 ---/  6.0  992.2   
Lau Fau Shan   27.5  79 27.8/26.0 N  / 41.0  992.0   
Tai Po         27.4  77 28.2/26.0 ---/-----  992.0   
Sha Tin        27.6  76 27.6/25.7 VRB/  8.0  992.4   
Tuen Mun       27.4  83 27.9/25.8 N  / 15.0 ------   
Tseung Kwan O  25.7  90 26.7/24.8 S  /  7.0 ------   
Sai Kung       27.2  76 27.3/25.2 W  / 17.0 ------   
Cheung Chau    25.9  83 26.5/24.7 N  / 38.0  992.5   
Chek Lap Kok   27.7  80 28.2/27.0 W  / 30.0  992.7   
Tsing Yi       ---- --- ----/---- ---/----- ------   
Shek Kong      25.6  99 27.6/24.6 ---/-----  992.4   

As you can see the wind at Sha Tin is described as VRB (variable) which is in agreement with my visual obs. It is varying constantly between W and SW. And here is the latest HKO warning: =============== Bulletin issued at 06:57 HKT 05/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 has been issued. At 7 a.m., Severe Tropical Storm Kammuri was estimated to be about 180 kilometres east-northeast of Hong Kong (near 22.9 degrees north 115.8 degrees east). It is forecast to move north-northeast at about 14 kilometres per hour into inland Guangdong. Kammuri is making landfall near Shanwei and will weaken gradually over land. The chance of Hong Kong being affected by general strong winds and hence the chance of the Strong Wind Signal No.3 gradually diminish. As the active southwesterly monsoon associated with Kammuri will affect Hong Kong later today, local weather is expected to deteriorate with squalls and heavy rain. (1) Listen to your radio or watch your TV for further weather information. =============== My expectation would be that the Typhoon Signal Number One (Stand By) may be replaced by the Strong Monsoon Signal (meaning Gale Force Winds) at some stage during the day today. More later. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: lunar forecasts and Alice Springs To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:21:20 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > I also want to add that the report of 26mm at Mintabie was almost > certainly incorrect. There has been no rain in northern SA for almost > three months. You can see the past 7 days of rainfall here: > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/misc/climate.jsp?chart=1_week_Rain_Totals& > state=SA > Other sites in the region got a little bit of rain on the 2nd (0.8 at Marla, 2.0 at Coober Pedy). Marla is about 35km from Mintabie. That sort of rainfall gradient isn't unknown in a thunderstorm situation (and I'm not sure whether there were any about or not), so I'm not prepared to rule the Mintabie observation out without further evidence, but I think it more likely that the actual reading was 2.6, not 26. I'm not going to buy into the argument as to whether or not 0.8mm at Marla verifies a forecast of rain for the Alice Springs region. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:29:21 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Last report on Kammuri from HK X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:22:42 +0800 Subject: Last report on Kammuri from HK The whole sky is covered with thin high cloud and hardly any clouds are blowing across at lower levels. The trees outside my window are perfectly still with not a leaf stirring. I think it's all over. HKO lowered all signals at 11:30. Here's the latest obs:
Date/Time: 5/8/2002 13:00
Station        Temp RH   Max/Min  Dir/Speed Barometer HI
               (C)  (%)    (C)      (km/h)   (hPa)    (C)
----------------------------------------------------------
HK Observatory 28.9  73 29.0/25.1 ---/-----  994.1    33.1
King's Park    28.9  72 ----/---- W  / 11.2  993.7    32.9
Wong Chuk Hang 28.6  81 28.7/25.7 N  / 16.0 ------    33.8
Ta Kwu Ling    29.2  88 29.2/24.4 ---/ 12.0  993.5    37.3
Lau Fau Shan   28.6  81 28.8/26.0 W  / 21.0  993.7    33.8
Tai Po         29.4  68 29.4/26.0 ---/-----  993.5    33.2
Sha Tin        29.4  73 29.5/25.7 S  /  8.0  994.0    34.3
Tuen Mun       29.6  70 30.0/25.8 N  / 21.0 ------    34.1
Tseung Kwan O  27.7  82 28.0/24.8 S  /  5.0 ------   
Sai Kung       28.8  77 28.8/25.2 W  /  9.0 ------    33.6
Cheung Chau    27.6  88 29.1/24.7 W  / 33.0  994.3   
Chek Lap Kok   30.2  69 30.6/26.8 N  /  9.0  994.2    35.3
Tsing Yi       ---- --- ----/---- ---/----- ------   
Shek Kong      29.8  82 29.8/24.6 ---/-----  993.7    37.6
And the Final warning from the HKO is pasted below: =============== Bulletin issued at 12:05 HKT 05/Aug/2002 Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. All signals were cancelled at 11:30 a.m. Kammuri is weakening quickly and continue to move away from Hong Kong. The active southwesterly monsoon associated with Kammuri will affect Hong Kong later today, local weather will deteriorate with squalls and heavy rain. =============== The thunderstorm warning was hoisted at 13:05 and there are just a few spots of rain sprinkling down now. As I said above, all is quiet, I think it is all over. This will be the last report on this storm unless something exceptional occurs. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:50:22 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 05:50:22.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD196310:01C23C43] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Jane

Were you able to ascertain to what height the tornado's parent cloud extened to?

If you were, did you get any pictures of the entire complex?

Michael

>From: "Jane ONeill"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>CC:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:59:53 +1000
>
>Anthony Cornelius wrote elsewhere:
>"I think this is a fantastic example why your eyes should be on the sky
>all the time! Something like this can so easily be missed. I also wonder
>how many other tornadoes may have occurred yesterday in Victoria and
>southern NSW (although the main line of storms was a squall line I
>believe)."
>
>Anthony and all, I've also got a pan of 2 storms to the west just a bit
>earlier than the Euroa event with one seeming to try to funnel, but if
>it succeeded I didn't see it, and I also have shots of a convergence
>line passing through Melbourne near 2pm with suspicious lowerings over
>Vermont South (which I'll add later) - so I agree Anthony - I reckon
>there might have been a few more in the area yesterday that weren't
>spotted. While rushing back to the car to get something yesterday I was
>almost run over by 6 people riding their horses into Euroa - they could
>clearly see what I was videoing and getting excited about, but they
>weren't in the least bit interested, which begs the question, how may
>tornadoes & funnels are seen and people say "oh yeah..." and that's the
>end of it?????
>Fortunately there are at least 3 eye witnesses of the Euroa tornado that
>I have to ring today.
>
>and if you'd like to have another look at the page below - I've put up
>30 video captures this morning - I'm still linking the full sized images
>but the thumbnails are there.
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm
>
>Jane
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>ASWA - Victoria
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>--------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Matters"
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:15 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
>
>
> > Excellent stuff Jane! And right on my doorstep!!!!!!!
> > I could see the cell from Monegeeta (family bday party). The sunlit
>anvil
> > looked quite impressive through the foreground Alrostratus. The
>buildup was
> > pushing the cap from around lunchtime with TCU and Congestus
>everywhere.
> > Peter
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jane ONeill"
> > To: "Aussie-wx"
> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:51 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
> >
> >
> > > Evening all,
> > >
> > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in
>northern
> > > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3
>or 4
> > > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps
>should
> > > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features,
>like
> > > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal
> > > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm
> > > became lightning active but not until ****after****
>touchdown...anyone
> > > know why, or is this called a coincidence?
> > >
> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm
> > >
> > > Jane
> > >
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > > ASWA - Victoria
> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> > > --------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fwd: Last report on Kammuri from HK Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:27:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 06:29:07.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[670B53F0:01C23C49] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. The central region of this tropical storm appears to be northeast of Hong Kong and moving inland, not far away though!, you seem to be under the south-western cirrus outflow region. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Smith To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Last report on Kammuri from HK > See attached: > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Phil Smith" > To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:22:42 +0800 > Subject: Last report on Kammuri from HK > > The whole sky is covered with thin high cloud and hardly any clouds are > blowing across at lower levels. The trees outside my window are > perfectly still with not a leaf stirring. > I think it's all over. > HKO lowered all signals at 11:30. > Here's the latest obs: >
> Date/Time: 5/8/2002 13:00
> Station        Temp RH   Max/Min  Dir/Speed Barometer HI
>                (C)  (%)    (C)      (km/h)   (hPa)    (C)
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> HK Observatory 28.9  73 29.0/25.1 ---/-----  994.1    33.1
> King's Park    28.9  72 ----/---- W  / 11.2  993.7    32.9
> Wong Chuk Hang 28.6  81 28.7/25.7 N  / 16.0 ------    33.8
> Ta Kwu Ling    29.2  88 29.2/24.4 ---/ 12.0  993.5    37.3
> Lau Fau Shan   28.6  81 28.8/26.0 W  / 21.0  993.7    33.8
> Tai Po         29.4  68 29.4/26.0 ---/-----  993.5    33.2
> Sha Tin        29.4  73 29.5/25.7 S  /  8.0  994.0    34.3
> Tuen Mun       29.6  70 30.0/25.8 N  / 21.0 ------    34.1
> Tseung Kwan O  27.7  82 28.0/24.8 S  /  5.0 ------
> Sai Kung       28.8  77 28.8/25.2 W  /  9.0 ------    33.6
> Cheung Chau    27.6  88 29.1/24.7 W  / 33.0  994.3
> Chek Lap Kok   30.2  69 30.6/26.8 N  /  9.0  994.2    35.3
> Tsing Yi       ---- --- ----/---- ---/----- ------
> Shek Kong      29.8  82 29.8/24.6 ---/-----  993.7    37.6
> 
> And the Final warning from the HKO is pasted below: > =============== > Bulletin issued at 12:05 HKT 05/Aug/2002 > Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Bulletin issued by the > Hong Kong Observatory. > > All signals were cancelled at 11:30 a.m. > > Kammuri is weakening quickly and continue to move away from Hong > Kong. > > The active southwesterly monsoon associated with Kammuri will > affect Hong Kong later today, local weather will deteriorate > with squalls and heavy rain. > =============== > The thunderstorm warning was hoisted at 13:05 and there are just a few > spots of rain sprinkling down now. > As I said above, all is quiet, I think it is all over. > This will be the last report on this storm unless something exceptional > occurs. > Phil > <>< > > Phil Smith > Director > Doctor Disk Limited > 17C Carmel Heights > Belair Gardens > Shatin, NT > Hong Kong > > Phone: +852 9522 7756 > E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:29:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Michael & all,
 
That particular severe multicell topped at around 8kms. I should have 3D radar up tonight.
 
The best image is this
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Aug02/0803jon12.jpg but I may be able to get a video grab taken through the trees a couple of minutes before which might give an indication of structure.
 
Cheers,
 
Jane
--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2002 3:50
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria

Jane

Were you able to ascertain to what height the tornado's parent cloud extened to?

If you were, did you get any pictures of the entire complex?

Michael

>From: "Jane ONeill"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>CC:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:59:53 +1000
>
>Anthony Cornelius wrote elsewhere:
>"I think this is a fantastic example why your eyes should be on the sky
>all the time! Something like this can so easily be missed. I also wonder
>how many other tornadoes may have occurred yesterday in Victoria and
>southern NSW (although the main line of storms was a squall line I
>believe)."
>
>Anthony and all, I've also got a pan of 2 storms to the west just a bit
>earlier than the Euroa event with one seeming to try to funnel, but if
>it succeeded I didn't see it, and I also have shots of a convergence
>line passing through Melbourne near 2pm with suspicious lowerings over
>Vermont South (which I'll add later) - so I agree Anthony - I reckon
>there might have been a few more in the area yesterday that weren't
>spotted. While rushing back to the car to get something yesterday I was
>almost run over by 6 people riding their horses into Euroa - they could
>clearly see what I was videoing and getting excited about, but they
>weren't in the least bit interested, which begs the question, how may
>tornadoes & funnels are seen and people say "oh yeah..." and that's the
>end of it?????
>Fortunately there are at least 3 eye witnesses of the Euroa tornado that
>I have to ring today.
>
>and if you'd like to have another look at the page below - I've put up
>30 video captures this morning - I'm still linking the full sized images
>but the thumbnails are there.
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm
>
>Jane
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>ASWA - Victoria
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>--------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Matters"
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:15 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
>
>
> > Excellent stuff Jane! And right on my doorstep!!!!!!!
> > I could see the cell from Monegeeta (family bday party). The sunlit
>anvil
> > looked quite impressive through the foreground Alrostratus. The
>buildup was
> > pushing the cap from around lunchtime with TCU and Congestus
>everywhere.
> > Peter
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jane ONeill"
> > To: "Aussie-wx"
> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:51 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
> >
> >
> > > Evening all,
> > >
> > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in
>northern
> > > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3
>or 4
> > > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps
>should
> > > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features,
>like
> > > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal
> > > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm
> > > became lightning active but not until ****after****
>touchdown...anyone
> > > know why, or is this called a coincidence?
> > >
> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm
> > >
> > > Jane
> > >
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > > ASWA - Victoria
> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> > > --------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:06:44 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fwd: Last report on Kammuri from HK X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes, Clyve, The storm is 211 km NE of here, but we are within the tiny little portion of it's circulation (as viewed on satpic) where there are no rainbands and it is dead calm. HKO predicts strong winds and squalls later on today. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:27:15 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fwd: Last report on Kammuri from HK > Hi Phil. > The central region of this tropical storm appears to be northeast of > Hong > Kong and moving inland, not far away though!, you seem to be under the > south-western cirrus outflow region. regards Clyve H. [snip] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:20:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Jane,
 
This is the best pic I have seen so far ! I take it you have another digital now ?
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria

Hi Michael & all,
 
That particular severe multicell topped at around 8kms. I should have 3D radar up tonight.
 
The best image is this
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Aug02/0803jon12.jpg but I may be able to get a video grab taken through the trees a couple of minutes before which might give an indication of structure.
 
Cheers,
 
Jane
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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2002 3:50
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria

Jane

Were you able to ascertain to what height the tornado's parent cloud extened to?

If you were, did you get any pictures of the entire complex?

Michael

>From: "Jane ONeill"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>CC:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:59:53 +1000
>
>Anthony Cornelius wrote elsewhere:
>"I think this is a fantastic example why your eyes should be on the sky
>all the time! Something like this can so easily be missed. I also wonder
>how many other tornadoes may have occurred yesterday in Victoria and
>southern NSW (although the main line of storms was a squall line I
>believe)."
>
>Anthony and all, I've also got a pan of 2 storms to the west just a bit
>earlier than the Euroa event with one seeming to try to funnel, but if
>it succeeded I didn't see it, and I also have shots of a convergence
>line passing through Melbourne near 2pm with suspicious lowerings over
>Vermont South (which I'll add later) - so I agree Anthony - I reckon
>there might have been a few more in the area yesterday that weren't
>spotted. While rushing back to the car to get something yesterday I was
>almost run over by 6 people riding their horses into Euroa - they could
>clearly see what I was videoing and getting excited about, but they
>weren't in the least bit interested, which begs the question, how may
>tornadoes & funnels are seen and people say "oh yeah..." and that's the
>end of it?????
>Fortunately there are at least 3 eye witnesses of the Euroa tornado that
>I have to ring today.
>
>and if you'd like to have another look at the page below - I've put up
>30 video captures this morning - I'm still linking the full sized images
>but the thumbnails are there.
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm
>
>Jane
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>ASWA - Victoria
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>--------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Matters"
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:15 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
>
>
> > Excellent stuff Jane! And right on my doorstep!!!!!!!
> > I could see the cell from Monegeeta (family bday party). The sunlit
>anvil
> > looked quite impressive through the foreground Alrostratus. The
>buildup was
> > pushing the cap from around lunchtime with TCU and Congestus
>everywhere.
> > Peter
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jane ONeill"
> > To: "Aussie-wx"
> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:51 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa, Victoria
> >
> >
> > > Evening all,
> > >
> > > Images taken between 1604 & 1618 just to the east of Euroa in
>northern
> > > Victoria just off the Freeway, and it was still there for another 3
>or 4
> > > minutes, but was almost hidden behind the rain shaft. Video snaps
>should
> > > be up tomorrow and show all sorts of other interesting features,
>like
> > > rings moving up the column, snake-like writhing & the internal
> > > structure, none of which I managed to capture on these stills. Storm
> > > became lightning active but not until ****after****
>touchdown...anyone
> > > know why, or is this called a coincidence?
> > >
> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm
> > >
> > > Jane
> > >
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > > ASWA - Victoria
> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Pencil line cloud band +. Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:33:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 12:35:42.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D13B180:01C23C7C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
Nice pencil line of cirrus across western Aus (pathetic NW cloud band category!), despite this though there appears to be some weak upper vorticity south west of Skippy/ sorry Kangaroo island, some not to bad radar returns around the Adelaide area at the moment. regards Clyve Herbert.
From: "Stargazer" To: "Aussie-Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Windy Adelaide Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:28:27 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
IDS20280
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

SEVERE WIND ADVICE
Issued at 9:35 pm on Monday, 5 August 2002
For people in Mid North, Adelaide and Mount Lofty Ranges, Kangaroo Island, Yorke
Peninsula, Murraylands and Upper and Lower South East districts. 

A squally northwest wind change with squalls to around 95 km/hr is in the
process of moving over the above districts, having reached Adelaide at around
9:15 pm.  Winds are expected to ease within an hour or so of the change passing.
------------------------------------------------------------
Having a bit of wind here in Adelaide at the moment with 96kph (52knots) at Adelaide airport at 21:15 & 117kph (63knots) on Mt. Lofty at 21:27. Down my way Noarlunga has recorded 81kph (44knots) at 21:44.
 
My WM-918 weather station has recorded a max wind speed of 41.4kph at 21:15 here at Morphett Vale so far (highest I've ever recorded so far is 54.4kph on 8th June 02)
 
From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:32:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey All, Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC or Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and quoted someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event though. The images and reports can be found at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm Congratulations once again Jane. Paul Yole State Rep - ASWA Victoria EDD: 08/08/02 http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:18:40 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing the debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the damage path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it was a tornado or not. Good stuff. Jimmy Deguara At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hey All, > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC or >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and quoted >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event >though. > >The images and reports can be found at >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > >Congratulations once again Jane. > >Paul Yole >State Rep - ASWA Victoria >EDD: 08/08/02 >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:47:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy, it was a tornado. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > Hi Paul, > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing the > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the damage > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it was a > tornado or not. > > Good stuff. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Hey All, > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC or > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and quoted > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > >though. > > > >The images and reports can be found at > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > >Paul Yole > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > >EDD: 08/08/02 > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nathan Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Windy Adelaide Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:28:38 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Stargazer,
 
Our AWS at home recorded 37 knots. (69 kph). Wind was pretty wild for a 15 mins with highest one minute average of 24 knots (45 kph). There was a tree damaged next door that been knocked down from the wind. Its only a birch, top half fell down, branch diameter to be 8cm around. It is not rotten. Still appeared to be alive. No leafs in winter which is normal for birch. Many birches aren't evengreen. I am really surprised other area reported much higher gust. I guess it would have to be like um very strong low level wind with the front system that has reached the surface last night. To be honest, it was an unexpected one as Bureau of Meteorology hasn't forecast it and they put on SWA bit later than the wind that it has happened. Not happy with the BoM service for a bit late of SWA. I saw AIST on metar site that YPAD met forecasted surface wind to 45 knots with the front. That was earlier than what it has happened before it hit.
 
From Nathan.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Stargazer
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 10:28 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Windy Adelaide

IDS20280
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

SEVERE WIND ADVICE
Issued at 9:35 pm on Monday, 5 August 2002
For people in Mid North, Adelaide and Mount Lofty Ranges, Kangaroo Island, Yorke
Peninsula, Murraylands and Upper and Lower South East districts. 

A squally northwest wind change with squalls to around 95 km/hr is in the
process of moving over the above districts, having reached Adelaide at around
9:15 pm.  Winds are expected to ease within an hour or so of the change passing.
------------------------------------------------------------
Having a bit of wind here in Adelaide at the moment with 96kph (52knots) at Adelaide airport at 21:15 & 117kph (63knots) on Mt. Lofty at 21:27. Down my way Noarlunga has recorded 81kph (44knots) at 21:44.
 
My WM-918 weather station has recorded a max wind speed of 41.4kph at 21:15 here at Morphett Vale so far (highest I've ever recorded so far is 54.4kph on 8th June 02)
 
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:21:45 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Further Kammuri report from HK X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:20:28 +0800 Subject: Further Kammuri report from HK After a quiet day and evening with only a few minor thunder squalls, I was awoken several times in the early hours of this morning by wild winds and driving rain on the South facing window of our bedroom. The HKO hoisted the Strong Monsoon Signal at 01:00 this morning. The Thunderstorm warning was hoisted at 01:10 and the Amber Rainstorm Warning at 06:10. I have added the 06:30 captures of the Sha Tin AWS 24-hour graphs to the page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/kammuri.htm to show an interesting comparison with the earlier captures. Here are the 06:30 obs from HK stations:
Date/Time: 6/8/2002 06:30
Station        Temp RH   Max/Min  Dir/Speed Barometer HI
               (C)  (%)    (C)      (km/h)   (hPa)    (C)
----------------------------------------------------------
HK Observatory 27.8  85 28.6/27.3 ---/-----  998.3   
King's Park    ---- --- ----/---- S  / 20.0 ------   
Wong Chuk Hang 27.7  86 27.8/26.7 N  / 16.0 ------   
Ta Kwu Ling    26.1  98 27.1/25.7 ---/  8.0  998.2   
Lau Fau Shan   26.2  97 27.2/25.2 S  / 24.0  998.2   
Tai Po         26.2  87 28.7/26.1 ---/-----  998.3   
Sha Tin        25.7  97 28.1/25.6 S  / 13.0  998.6   
Tuen Mun       25.9 100 27.6/25.4 S  / 16.0 ------   
Tseung Kwan O  27.7  84 27.9/26.5 S  / 12.0 ------   
Sai Kung       27.4  86 28.2/27.0 S  / 15.0 ------   
Cheung Chau    26.2  95 26.4/25.9 S  / 41.0  998.6   
Chek Lap Kok   24.6  94 28.4/24.6 S  / 51.0  999.1   
Tsing Yi       ---- --- ----/---- ---/----- ------   
Shek Kong      25.7  99 27.3/25.7 ---/-----  998.3   
Here at Sha Tin the Southerly wind had dropped to 13.0 km/h after having been at 35 km/h at 02:00. Meanwhile, Chek Lap Kok has winds of 51.0 km/h which is its highest 10 minute average wind speed in the past 24 hours. It looks like the Tsing Yi AWS has been knocked out altogether. As I type, the Sha Tin wind speed has increased to 25 km/h, the rain is belting the window so hard you can hardly hear anything else inside the flat, and lightning is flashing at a rate of about one visible flash per second. As to the thunder, only the very closest Flangs can be heard above the noise of the rain. Looking at the animated satpic, the circulation of Kammuri is gradually being replaced by the straight-on SW Monsoon. So it's hard to say whether we can attribute the current conditions to Kammuri or not. I may do another report later if necessary. Phil <>< Phil Smith Director Doctor Disk Limited 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "macdonald" To: Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER MEMORIES : GUYRA WINTERS Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:53:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
I came across this on the ABC rural homepage. Weather Memories
Herbert Jackson and Colin Chapman from Guyra can remember walking to school in 18 inches of snow when they were children, around 40 years ago. Herbet and Colin say they'd get about five or six falls of snow each winter while now you might get one fall of snow a year and it's gone in few hours. They can remember putting a heated brick in the bed just to keep warm at night.
Colin Chapman: Guyra
Herbet Jackson: Guyra
The snow may not stay around so long now, most probably due to the sparse landscape... In the 1900's Guyra and the surrounds were heavily timbered...but, I am sure that the clearing has not had such a determentral effect upon the environment.. Anyway, other locals/ Peter Burr Armidale Observer said Guyra gets at least 2 settling snow falls pa.  SInce records began (see my webpage)... Guyra has had a least 1 snow fall pa. So i think the chances for snow in August is most possible. 
 
I wrote to the Everies (ex clients/ and friends of dad) at Silent Grove 1400metres, some time ago about the snow event of July 84..... they told me there was snow on the ground for a couple of weeks, and during the drought years they have only light dustings of snow.  Eric (ex Guyra observer) said as a young lad he would jump of the fencing rails into the snow, and told me that the snow was 18inches deep on the road at the dip -i.e just as enter off the new england highway into the main street. Their property is situated on the Maybole Range just outside of the villiage of Ben Lomond 1360metres (highest farming village in australia).
 
Cheers
Sam
GUYRA & TALLAI WEATHER

 
From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:36:42 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF13/1367.html there's more too, Craig - just dial "Full moon heats Earth" into google.com and you'll get a whole swag of stuff best Ken www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Arthur" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hi Ken, > > I'd certainly be interested in reading the references if you'd like to > forward them. > > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2002 11:19 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Hi Craig and all > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look for where > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you name it. I > would say cold is another concept which has to come from somewhere. Nor can > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and arguably even > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with the > direction in mind that cold travels. > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all due > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those books has > much to contribute to this discussion. > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon has a > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona State > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global temps. Temps > in > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon and coolest > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats the > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It > shows > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters Earth's > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic radiation. > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source refs I > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - whether or not > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it gets colder > over a 24 hour period. > cheers > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Arthur" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:21 PM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Hi Ken, all > > > > I'm concerned as to the "cold of space" term referred to. Most texts on > > meteorology include a diagram of the temperature as the altitude > increases. > > Firstly there is the "warm region" at around 50 km. Then temperature > > increases rapidly above 100km. > > > > This is due to the rapid increase in mean free path of the molecules > which > > by this level are the lighter elements such as hydrogen and helium. The > > mean free path is also inversely proportional to pressure, so as this > > decreases the mean free path increases also. The problem is in the > vastness > > of space there are such few atoms/molecules to pass this energy to any > body > > with great success. I think that the term "cold of space" is rather > > misleading. There is little to no heat or "cool" (for want of a better > > word) stored in the near-vacuum of space. > > > > Atmospheric "cool" would be "created" in the upper levels of the > > troposphere due to the free expansion of gas which results in a drop in > > temperature (according to the ideal gas law). > > > > I would agree with John Woodbridge in the idea that if the full moon > > created clear skies, radiational cooling under these clear skies would > lead > > to lower minimums around full moon. I don't have any statistical evidence > > to that side, so I will leave it there. > > > > Craig Arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > Sent: Friday, 26 July 2002 02:15 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > Hi John > > > so to say that it is cold, or has > > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. > > Hmm..interesting. The trouble is, you could say the same about heat, > which > > also comes via space. But we do have this word 'cold' and cold falls just > > as > > heat rises. In fact one replaces the other. One could ask, where does > > atmospheric cold come from, assuming everything has a source. Then the > only > > answer must surely be from upper levels and descending. The cold of space > > has been measured at minus 220. > > > So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > > > warmer... > > I think I'd suggest that at airtide-out the density of the atmosphere was > > thinner and the heat layer weakened, allowing cold to get through. > > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) > then > > it > > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... > > Not if the dispersing effect came from a stretching of the atmosphere to > a > > greater height, which is what I think the Full moon does. > > cheers > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Woodbridge" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is cold, or > has > > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And in > > fact, > > > as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature > increases > > > dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold > moonless > > > nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > > > warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner > atmosphere > > it > > > has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily from > > the > > > surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then again, it > is > > > well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy ones, due > in > > > this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems to me > > that > > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) > then > > it > > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... > So > > I > > > would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between full > > moon > > > and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one between new > > moon > > > and colder nights. > > > > > > Regards, > > > John W. > > > >snip > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but as > soon > > as > > > the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, even in > > > summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is when > heat > > > exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air tide, > > just > > > like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the sky, > > airtide > > > out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check on > > night > > > temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are always > > > colder than full moon nights. > > > Ken Ring > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul Yole" > > > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM > > > Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got > an > > > explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > > > > > > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > > > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > > > > > > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > > > > > > > PaulY > > > > > > > > Paul Yole > > > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:19:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
G'Week to ALL:
       I was just wondering: Does EVERYPLACE in Australia have a sharply defined "dry" and "wet" season. Where I am, Mena, and most of the rest of the US have no sharply defined dry/wet seasons. Exceptions may be the monsoon season in the desert Southwest and the Wintertime rains in Southern California. As said before, here, we seldom see dry periods for more than 14 straight days; so I really can't imagine waiting 6 months or so to see a good rain.
       Have a good one         David Powell
From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:35:38 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C23CDE.E266F640 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > G'Week to ALL: > I was just wondering: Does EVERYPLACE in Australia have a sharply = > defined "dry" and "wet" season. Where I am, Mena, and most of the rest = > of the US have no sharply defined dry/wet seasons. Exceptions may be the = > monsoon season in the desert Southwest and the Wintertime rains in = > Southern California. As said before, here, we seldom see dry periods for = > more than 14 straight days; so I really can't imagine waiting 6 months = > or so to see a good rain. > Have a good one David Powell No - most of the south-east has no defined dry season. There are monthly average rainfall maps on the Bureau's site (http://www.bom.gov.au/climate). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:59:28 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 05:59:29.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D3547C0:01C23D0E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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>G'Week to ALL:
> I was just wondering: Does EVERYPLACE in Australia have a sharply defined "dry" and "wet" season. Where I am, Mena, and most of the rest of the US have no sharply defined dry/wet seasons. Exceptions may be the monsoon season in the desert Southwest and the Wintertime rains in Southern California. As said before, here, we seldom see dry periods for more than 14 straight days; so I really can't imagine waiting 6 months or so to see a good rain.
> Have a good one David Powell


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X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:17:13 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: ASWA AGM and AMOS meeting later in the month Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello, As you all know, the ASWA Conference is to be held soon - 17th August 2002. So this serves as a reminder. http://www.severeweather.asn.au/agm2002.htm ------------------------------------------ For those who would like to attend the AMOS weatherwatch meeting, read below. ------------------------------------------ Dear Weatherwatcher, Here is the Latest Newsletter. Regards Roger. AUSTRALIAN METEOROLOGICAL & OCEANOGRAPHIC SOCIETY, A.M.O.S. SYDNEY CENTRE - WEATHERWATCH GROUP NEWSLETTER NUMBER 02-08 - AUGUST 2002 The Next Meeting of the AMOS Weatherwatch Group will be on Wednesday 28th August 2002 at 7:30pm (19:30) at Macquarie University, Building E5A, Room 143 (E5A-143). Expensive Parking is available in University Car-Parks see notes below. Our Guest is Lesa Moore, an Astronomer from the Koolang Observatory near Wollombi, inland from the Central Coast. Lesa is also responsible for 'The Public Observer Program' at The Macquarie University Observatory. Her Subject will be:- 'Operation of the Observatory and Observation of Objects in the Sydney Sky in August'. The Meeting will be copiously illustrated with slides and will be an opportunity to discuss weather, cloudiness and Astronomy. Members are invited to bring their own astronomy books/photos Before the main presentation, Neal Moodie, our Contact at the Bureau of Meteorology will present rainfall and temperature data for June, July and August, and the extent and intensity of the drought. After the Main Speaker Jimmy will present more Video of the USA. This Meeting will be a further opportunity to discuss the activities and who will be taking on responsibilities for organising the meetings in the year 2003, and beyond, including the newsletters. pto for more meetings>>>>>>>> At our Following Meeting on Wed. 23rd October our speaker will be Father Terry Herbert from the Chevalier College at Bowral who will describe his work at the College in Meteorology and Local Climate. Visitors are very welcome. Discussion will follow all the presentations, and light refreshments will be available throughout the meeting. These Meetings will continue our excellent series of presentations. Past Meetings. Weatherwatch had a meeting on 26th June with Paul Graham and his amazing Time Lapse Video of Meteorological Events put to Music. AMOS held the Scientific Meeting at Macquarie University where Assoc. Professor Howard Bridgeman talked on Wind, Wings and Weather regarding Cattle Egret Migrations in the Tasman Sea Area. ASWA held their latest meeting at North Sydney on 13th July to study the Winter Weather with contributions from members. The 4th Annual National ASWA Conference will be held at North Ryde RSL on 17th August, followed by a barbeque on 18th. At meetings of Weatherwatch be careful about your parking, fees have been $2.00 for the first hour, or a total of $5.00 for 2, 3, 4, hours, or $6.00 for the whole evening to 11:59pm. Read the instructions. Enquiries Contact:- Alan Williams (02)9488.9975 Paul Graham (02)9888.2527 Jimmy Deguara (02)9627.1943 Roger Nurse (02)9449.1473 Neal Moodie (02)9296.1555 Bureau of Meteorology Contact Dr. Milton Speer (02)9296.1618 Past AMOS Sydney Centre Chair/BoM. Recent Weather Cold Nights and Cool Dry Days in June and July with occasional light rain, after 35 days of drought in Sydney. Coldest Night in Sydney was 4.3C on 12th July, coldest this year, and for several years. Frosts everywhere. Storms on Mon. 29th July, and again on Sat. 3rd August, with hail at Penrith and wind damage in the outer suburbs. HMS Nottingham survived its shipwreck on Wolfe Rock near Lord Howe Island in bad weather, and is on its way to Newcastle Dockyard. Another ship is stuck on the Barrier Reef. Perth is concerned about water shortages after five years of below average rainfall. Rain at the Closing of the Games in Manchester. Devastating hail storm in North Italy and floods in Assam/Bihar in India. Warnings: If you change your e-mail please tell somebody. Wishing all our members and friends an enjoyable Spring season. Regards Roger T. Nurse, Convenor & News Editor 6th August 2002. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:00:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com THANKS!!! I can't get enough of weather maps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Trewin" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:35 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C23CDE.E266F640 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > G'Week to ALL: > > I was just wondering: Does EVERYPLACE in Australia have a sharply = > > defined "dry" and "wet" season. Where I am, Mena, and most of the rest = > > of the US have no sharply defined dry/wet seasons. Exceptions may be the = > > monsoon season in the desert Southwest and the Wintertime rains in = > > Southern California. As said before, here, we seldom see dry periods for = > > more than 14 straight days; so I really can't imagine waiting 6 months = > > or so to see a good rain. > > Have a good one David Powell > > No - most of the south-east has no defined dry season. There are > monthly average rainfall maps on the Bureau's site (http://www.bom.gov.au/climate). > > Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:00:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
THANKS!!! This is a wonderful map that answers my question.
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>G'Week to ALL:
> I was just wondering: Does EVERYPLACE in Australia have a sharply defined "dry" and "wet" season. Where I am, Mena, and most of the rest of the US have no sharply defined dry/wet seasons. Exceptions may be the monsoon season in the desert Southwest and the Wintertime rains in Southern California. As said before, here, we seldom see dry periods for more than 14 straight days; so I really can't imagine waiting 6 months or so to see a good rain.
> Have a good one David Powell


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Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:42:54 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think you have to say that since you can visibly see the funnel cloud to about 90% of the ground (trees below that), that the chances are so high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's almost definately a tornado. Besides, Jane mentioned there was a damage track reported too I think??? AC Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing the > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the damage > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it was a > tornado or not. > > Good stuff. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Hey All, > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC or > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and quoted > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > >though. > > > >The images and reports can be found at > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > >Paul Yole > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > >EDD: 08/08/02 > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 19:26:03 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, "that the chances are so high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's almost definately a tornado." Ahhhh - I agree with that concept and that is my opinion - it is most likely a tornado. Who was the person in the BoM who noted it as a funnel? Perhaps they need to be told of the damage track. Was a damage survey done? And if so by whom? Now check out this US report and the photograph associated with it http://www.onthefront.ws/mar2902.htm take particular note what they call it http://www.onthefront.ws/images/32902v5.jpg Anyway, that's science, full of debate. By the way, I have been also looking into the dust whirls of November 22 1999 in SE Qld. The consensus seems to point to gustnado after all despite the dust whirls. http://www.australiasevereweather.com/tornado.htm go down to the dust whirls. Not enough evidence. You will see during the ASWA Conference why!!! Jimmy Deguara At 06:42 PM 6/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I think you have to say that since you can visibly see the funnel cloud >to about 90% of the ground (trees below that), that the chances are so >high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's >almost definately a tornado. > >Besides, Jane mentioned there was a damage track reported too I think??? > >AC > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing the > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the damage > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it was a > > tornado or not. > > > > Good stuff. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hey All, > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC or > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and quoted > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > >though. > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > >Paul Yole > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:30:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > Jimmy, > > it was a tornado. > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing the > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the > damage > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it was a > > tornado or not. > > > > Good stuff. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hey All, > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC or > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and quoted > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > >though. > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > >Paul Yole > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:47:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I thought that a "funnel" that disturbed debris on the ground is then classified as a tornado. Have I lost the plot again? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > I think you have to say that since you can visibly see the funnel cloud > to about 90% of the ground (trees below that), that the chances are so > high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > almost definately a tornado. > > Besides, Jane mentioned there was a damage track reported too I think??? > > AC > > Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing the > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the damage > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it was a > > tornado or not. > > > > Good stuff. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hey All, > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC or > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and quoted > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > >though. > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > >Paul Yole > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:56:36 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail Report - Local Paper Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com "Within minutes of the hale temperatures plummeted in Bathurst."- quote from the press report.... country journalism for you - just as well they have good subbies. Don W David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au wrote: > > http://www.bathurst.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&story_id=169359&category=general%20news > > HI all. > > Report and pic of hail in Bathurst at this above website. > > Dave > > ##################################################################################### > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are > not necessarily the views of Country Energy. > ##################################################################################### > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Chase report for 3rd August 2002 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:16:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have placed my chase report for the 3rd of August online. Some nice photos, nothing severe, but nice colours, etc. http://ozthunder.com/chase/chase32.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:02:52 +0930 From: Richard Albury X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com  

arky dave wrote:

G'Week to ALL:       I was just wondering: Does EVERYPLACE in Australia have a sharply defined "dry" and "wet" season. Where I am, Mena, and most of the rest of the US have no sharply defined dry/wet seasons. Exceptions may be the monsoon season in the desert Southwest and the Wintertime rains in Southern California. As said before, here, we seldom see dry periods for more than 14 straight days; so I really can't imagine waiting 6 months or so to see a good rain.       Have a good one         David Powell
Hi arky mate
Tropic here have a well defined wet-dry season the wet season being approximately from October to February - March

Where I live in Adelaide South Australia and this is also true of southern Australia, our weather is more frontal, and Melbourne cops it worse at times than Adelaide being about 400 miles more south than us. Our wettest months seem to be July - September and our hottest months being January to early March with the temp  (in South Australia) reaching the low 100's to 115 f depending where you are.

South Australia has the dubius reputation of being the driest State of the driest Continent and Island in the world, and 3/4's of S.Aust is desert.

*HUG*

Richard From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: "Aussie weather" Subject: aus-wx: Strahan Weather Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:13:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hello Everyone
 
Strong winds here overnight with the airport recording 25kt with gusts to 45kt.
A storm warning is current south of here. It is lucky they don't allow dogs on chains on Maatsuyker Island.
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
 
 
TASMANIAN COASTAL REPORTS
Issued at 0647 on Wednesday the 7th of August 2002


CAPE SORELL
WIND: W    29KT
Wave rider, significant wave height:  5.6m
Maximum height over the past 3 hours:  10.8m
Period:  12 sec

MARRAWAH
WIND: SW   25KT, GUSTS TO 40KT,
VISIBILITY 4000M, SHOWERS  
            
CAPE GRIM
WIND: W    36KT, GUSTS TO 46KT,
RECENT PRECIPITATION 

KING IS AP
WIND: W    21KT, GUSTS TO 34KT,
RECENT PRECIPITATION 
 
MAATSUYKER IS
WIND: WNW  57KT,
DISTANT PRECIPITATION


LOW ROCKY PT
WIND: W    33KT
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:32:05 +1000 From: Tim Grugeon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Bye for now Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Gidday All,

Just like to let you all know that I am going to unsubscribe from the aussie-wx mailing list for a while. Due to other commitments, I have being lacking the time to be actively involved on the list. If you wish to ever get onto me in person, you can email me at tim at hunterweather.com or through this address.

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From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:23:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
What do you suppose accounts for the extreme dryness of South Australia? I hope this isn't an overly stupid question, that's why I'm asking people with a good idea on this matter.(Ya'll would know more about this than I would). THANKS!!!
Also, what would be the southern boundary of the Tropics in Australia?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON

 

arky dave wrote:

G'Week to ALL:       I was just wondering: Does EVERYPLACE in Australia have a sharply defined "dry" and "wet" season. Where I am, Mena, and most of the rest of the US have no sharply defined dry/wet seasons. Exceptions may be the monsoon season in the desert Southwest and the Wintertime rains in Southern California. As said before, here, we seldom see dry periods for more than 14 straight days; so I really can't imagine waiting 6 months or so to see a good rain.       Have a good one         David Powell
Hi arky mate
Tropic here have a well defined wet-dry season the wet season being approximately from October to February - March

Where I live in Adelaide South Australia and this is also true of southern Australia, our weather is more frontal, and Melbourne cops it worse at times than Adelaide being about 400 miles more south than us. Our wettest months seem to be July - September and our hottest months being January to early March with the temp  (in South Australia) reaching the low 100's to 115 f depending where you are.

South Australia has the dubius reputation of being the driest State of the driest Continent and Island in the world, and 3/4's of S.Aust is desert.

*HUG*

Richard

X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Small funnel in Donvale this arvo Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:32:18 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 08:32:21.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2EA1B00:01C23DEC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Just happened to look up as I was coming out of the garage this afternoon (about 17:10), and saw a small funnel. We'd just had a brief shower (and some very sparse small hail), and the cell was moving off to the W. I ran inside and grabbed my digital camera and managed to get one good shot that shows the funnel. I'll try to get it up to view soon. Just goes to show. Keep your eyes on the sky! Especially in Vic (home of tornadoes and occasional drizzle) GO VIC!!!!! Liam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Mother nature Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:46:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Mother nature is playing some funny tricks here in the lead up to Spring. Last year the wattle trees in the forest came out in very early July and Early August 10-12kms SW of there (my school bus route). This year the reverse has happened but a month later. The wattle in the forest doesn't even look like coming out yet. Wonder what mother nature is telling me here :-)
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mother nature Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:24:45 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
My read on it would be that early flowerings etc are because of good soil conditions just prior, and not because the plants have some kind of inner predictive knowledge about weather to come.
Ken
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:46 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Mother nature

Mother nature is playing some funny tricks here in the lead up to Spring. Last year the wattle trees in the forest came out in very early July and Early August 10-12kms SW of there (my school bus route). This year the reverse has happened but a month later. The wattle in the forest doesn't even look like coming out yet. Wonder what mother nature is telling me here :-)
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:31:22 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mother nature Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 06:46 PM 7/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Mother nature is playing some funny tricks here in the lead up to Spring. >Last year the wattle trees in the forest came out in very early July and >Early August 10-12kms SW of there (my school bus route). This year the >reverse has happened but a month later. The wattle in the forest doesn't >even look like coming out yet. Wonder what mother nature is telling me here :-) Wattles have been out in Melbourne for weeks, in case anyone's interested. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:57:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 12:59:17.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CEC7CA0:01C23E12] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this tornado....and that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no doubt about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, considering that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not very significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to weaken and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the ground in just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! regards Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussy To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > Jimmy, > > > > it was a tornado. > > > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing the > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the > > damage > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it was > a > > > tornado or not. > > > > > > Good stuff. > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Hey All, > > > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC > or > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and > quoted > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > > >though. > > > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > > > >Paul Yole > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail Report - Local Paper Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:05:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 13:07:46.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CC05540:01C23E13] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Don, I presumed they haled an airconditioned Taxi! ----- Original Message ----- From: Don White To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail Report - Local Paper > "Within minutes of the hale temperatures plummeted in Bathurst."- quote > from the press report.... country journalism for you - just as well > they have good subbies. > Don W > > David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au wrote: > > > > http://www.bathurst.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&st ory_id=169359&category=general%20news > > > > HI all. > > > > Report and pic of hail in Bathurst at this above website. > > > > Dave > > > > ############################################################################ ######### > > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are > > not necessarily the views of Country Energy. > > ############################################################################ ######### > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Chase report for 3rd August 2002 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:10:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 13:12:05.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[06B46970:01C23E14] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael. Very nice pics and excellent contrast, some of those updrafts are very solid. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: aus-wx: Chase report for 3rd August 2002 > I have placed my chase report for the 3rd of August online. Some nice > photos, nothing severe, but nice colours, etc. > > http://ozthunder.com/chase/chase32.htm > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:32:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 13:40:48.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[09C04D10:01C23E18] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy and all, I think you'll find that gustnadoes are still tornadoes - just tornadoes not actually associated with storm-scale rotation. In the case mentioned in your email from Novemnber 22 1999, there was in fact a funnel cloud associated with the dust whirl (see link below) but whether this was generated from storm scale rotation (of which there was some evidence) or some other force is debateable. Given the definition in the NOAA Storm Spotters Glossary, a gustnado is still a tornado and as such the event mentioned above was in fact a tornado. http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1999/1122mp03.jpg *Extract from A COMPREHENSIVE GLOSSARY OF WEATHER TERMS FOR STORM SPOTTERS by Michael Branick - NOAA/WFO Norman* "Gustnado (or Gustinado) - [Slang], gust front tornado. A small tornado, usually weak and short-lived, that occurs along the gust front of a thunderstorm. Often it is visible only as a debris cloud or dust whirl near the ground. Gustnadoes are not associated with storm-scale rotation (i.e. mesocyclones); they are more likely to be associated visually with a shelf cloud than with a wall cloud." Link to NOAA Storm Spotters Glossary: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2.html "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell III looks into the gustnado in quite a bit of detail. Doswell says, "The visual appearances of true gustnadoes (as opposed to tornadoes along a gust front, which are manifestly different phenomena) indicate they are shallow (perhaps 10-100 m deep) with no apparent connection to any process happening at cloud base or above....There seems to be a disturbing trend to refer to all tornadoes occurring on a gust front as "gustnadoes" whereas I have tried, apparently without success, to confine the term to the shallow vortices on gust fronts that seem not to extend as far as cloud base." Based on this definition, you then have to make a clear distinction between a tornado and a gustnado. And from this, you would then have to class the event of 22nd November 1999 as a tornado given the presence of the funnel cloud at cloud base level. As for the Euroa tornado....was it a tornado? - that is the question! On the positive side.... Here are some more extracts from "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell III. "The public at large has many misconceptions about tornadoes, a notable one being that unless the condensation cloud associated with that rotating column of air is touching the surface, it is not a tornado. This is manifestly untrue, as many storm chasers realize fully. Since it is the wind associated with the rotating air column that does the damage, it is the moving air (wind) and not the cloud that constitutes the tornado....It is quite possible for the circulation to be more or less completely invisible for at least some portion of the life cycle of the event" and furthermore.... "When the visible funnel does not reach the surface, silly reports of a "funnel cloud accompanied by wind damage" can occur, or such absurdities are reported as "The funnel only reached treetop level" or whatever. We probably will find it difficult ever to convince the public as a whole that a tornado is wind and not the funnel cloud. Hopefully, no self-respecting meteorologist would do anything to perpetuate such misconceptions. Also, storm chasers who believe this could get into a lot of trouble, quickly! By the way, "tornado on the ground" is redundant, since to be a tornado, the damaging winds have to be present at the surface at that time." Now for the negative side.... "Among chasers, it is a common assumption that if a funnel cloud extends halfway or more to the ground from cloud base, there almost certainly is a tornadic circulation at the surface. This may or may not be true in any specific instance ... it probably is more right than wrong. For official purposes, however, such a "storm chaser's rule" is not a legitimate assumption; by definition, one must confirm the existence of a damaging circulation at the surface before the event can legitimately be called a tornado. If such a confirmation cannot be made, the event must be considered to be a funnel cloud or a "possible" tornado." ...and now some more for the positive side.... "Recent research, some connected with the VORTEX program, has made it clear that vortical flows are often present at the surface, even without any visible funnel cloud. If a condensation funnel is present that does not "touch" the surface, some sort of "circulation" [10] is virtually certain to be present, but it may not be sufficient to raise debris. In the absence of debris, it is hard to know if the situation has become tornadic or not." So....was it a tornado? From the evidence above, the pictures and the reports I've read and heard from Jane I would say that it is a tornado. If anyone wishes to read the full essay "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell III. you can find it here: http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/doswell/public_html//a_tornado/atornado.html It is a great read and it asks and answers many of the questions about the current definition/s of a tornado. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > Hi Anthony, > > "that the chances are so > high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > almost definately a tornado." > > Ahhhh - I agree with that concept and that is my opinion - it is most > likely a tornado. > > Who was the person in the BoM who noted it as a funnel? Perhaps they need > to be told of the damage track. Was a damage survey done? And if so by whom? > > > Now check out this US report and the photograph associated with it > > http://www.onthefront.ws/mar2902.htm take particular note what they call it > > http://www.onthefront.ws/images/32902v5.jpg > > > Anyway, that's science, full of debate. > > By the way, I have been also looking into the dust whirls of November 22 > 1999 in SE Qld. The consensus seems to point to gustnado after all despite > the dust whirls. > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/tornado.htm go down to the dust > whirls. Not enough evidence. > > You will see during the ASWA Conference why!!! > > Jimmy Deguara > > > At 06:42 PM 6/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >I think you have to say that since you can visibly see the funnel cloud > >to about 90% of the ground (trees below that), that the chances are so > >high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > >almost definately a tornado. > > > >Besides, Jane mentioned there was a damage track reported too I think??? > > > >AC > > > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing the > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the damage > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it was a > > > tornado or not. > > > > > > Good stuff. > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Hey All, > > > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of MSC or > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and quoted > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images from > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > > >though. > > > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > > > >Paul Yole > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >-- > >Anthony Cornelius > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > >(07) 3390 4812 > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 00:07:24 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Andrew, There is no evidence that that was a funnel. I a not suggesting it either way. However, I can say that earlier in the piece there seemed to be another funnel but that was may not have been associated with the dustwhirls. In hind site, we were too far away to be calling it anything. What I am calling it then is possible tornado/ gustnado. There was a lot of outflow as that storm was becoming outflow dominant and I believe it met some weaker inflow for the rear NW part of the storm was typical of the wind profile on that day. This explains the anti-cyclonic rotation of the dustwhirls. As to the gustnado business, actual gustnadoes are not counted as tornadoes in the US otherwise there will be thousands a year. But as to We saw several gustnadoes in a 30 minute period. Whether a funnel related to the dustwhirls, I am not sure - very few are documented. Jimmy Deguara At 11:32 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Jimmy and all, > >I think you'll find that gustnadoes are still tornadoes - just tornadoes not >actually associated with storm-scale rotation. In the case mentioned in >your email from Novemnber 22 1999, there was in fact a funnel cloud >associated with the dust whirl (see link below) but whether this was >generated from storm scale rotation (of which there was some evidence) or >some other force is debateable. Given the definition in the NOAA Storm >Spotters Glossary, a gustnado is still a tornado and as such the event >mentioned above was in fact a tornado. > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1999/1122mp03.jpg > >*Extract from A COMPREHENSIVE GLOSSARY OF WEATHER TERMS FOR STORM SPOTTERS >by Michael Branick - NOAA/WFO Norman* >"Gustnado (or Gustinado) - [Slang], gust front tornado. A small tornado, >usually weak and short-lived, that occurs along the gust front of a >thunderstorm. Often it is visible only as a debris cloud or dust whirl near >the ground. Gustnadoes are not associated with storm-scale rotation (i.e. >mesocyclones); they are more likely to be associated visually with a shelf >cloud than with a wall cloud." > >Link to NOAA Storm Spotters Glossary: > >http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2.html > >"What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell III looks into the gustnado in >quite a bit of detail. Doswell says, "The visual appearances of true >gustnadoes (as opposed to tornadoes along a gust front, which are manifestly >different phenomena) indicate they are shallow (perhaps 10-100 m deep) with >no apparent connection to any process happening at cloud base or >above....There seems to be a disturbing trend to refer to all tornadoes >occurring on a gust front as "gustnadoes" whereas I have tried, apparently >without success, to confine the term to the shallow vortices on gust fronts >that seem not to extend as far as cloud base." > >Based on this definition, you then have to make a clear distinction between >a tornado and a gustnado. And from this, you would then have to class the >event of 22nd November 1999 as a tornado given the presence of the funnel >cloud at cloud base level. > > >As for the Euroa tornado....was it a tornado? - that is the question! > >On the positive side.... > >Here are some more extracts from "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell >III. > >"The public at large has many misconceptions about tornadoes, a notable one >being that unless the condensation cloud associated with that rotating >column of air is touching the surface, it is not a tornado. This is >manifestly untrue, as many storm chasers realize fully. Since it is the wind >associated with the rotating air column that does the damage, it is the >moving air (wind) and not the cloud that constitutes the tornado....It is >quite possible for the circulation to be more or less completely invisible >for at least some portion of the life cycle of the event" > >and furthermore.... > >"When the visible funnel does not reach the surface, silly reports of a >"funnel cloud accompanied by wind damage" can occur, or such absurdities are >reported as "The funnel only reached treetop level" or whatever. We probably >will find it difficult ever to convince the public as a whole that a tornado >is wind and not the funnel cloud. Hopefully, no self-respecting >meteorologist would do anything to perpetuate such misconceptions. Also, >storm chasers who believe this could get into a lot of trouble, quickly! By >the way, "tornado on the ground" is redundant, since to be a tornado, the >damaging winds have to be present at the surface at that time." > >Now for the negative side.... > >"Among chasers, it is a common assumption that if a funnel cloud extends >halfway or more to the ground from cloud base, there almost certainly is a >tornadic circulation at the surface. This may or may not be true in any >specific instance ... it probably is more right than wrong. For official >purposes, however, such a "storm chaser's rule" is not a legitimate >assumption; by definition, one must confirm the existence of a damaging >circulation at the surface before the event can legitimately be called a >tornado. If such a confirmation cannot be made, the event must be considered >to be a funnel cloud or a "possible" tornado." > >...and now some more for the positive side.... > >"Recent research, some connected with the VORTEX program, has made it clear >that vortical flows are often present at the surface, even without any >visible funnel cloud. If a condensation funnel is present that does not >"touch" the surface, some sort of "circulation" [10] is virtually certain to >be present, but it may not be sufficient to raise debris. In the absence of >debris, it is hard to know if the situation has become tornadic or not." > >So....was it a tornado? From the evidence above, the pictures and the >reports I've read and heard from Jane I would say that it is a tornado. > >If anyone wishes to read the full essay "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. >Doswell III. you can find it here: > >http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/doswell/public_html//a_tornado/atornado.html > >It is a great read and it asks and answers many of the questions about the >current definition/s of a tornado. > >Regards, > >Andrew McDonald > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:26 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > Hi Anthony, > > > > "that the chances are so > > high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > > almost definately a tornado." > > > > Ahhhh - I agree with that concept and that is my opinion - it is most > > likely a tornado. > > > > Who was the person in the BoM who noted it as a funnel? Perhaps they need > > to be told of the damage track. Was a damage survey done? And if so by >whom? > > > > > > Now check out this US report and the photograph associated with it > > > > http://www.onthefront.ws/mar2902.htm take particular note what they >call it > > > > http://www.onthefront.ws/images/32902v5.jpg > > > > > > Anyway, that's science, full of debate. > > > > By the way, I have been also looking into the dust whirls of November 22 > > 1999 in SE Qld. The consensus seems to point to gustnado after all despite > > the dust whirls. > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/tornado.htm go down to the dust > > whirls. Not enough evidence. > > > > You will see during the ASWA Conference why!!! > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 06:42 PM 6/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >I think you have to say that since you can visibly see the funnel cloud > > >to about 90% of the ground (trees below that), that the chances are so > > >high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > > >almost definately a tornado. > > > > > >Besides, Jane mentioned there was a damage track reported too I think??? > > > > > >AC > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing >the > > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the >damage > > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it >was a > > > > tornado or not. > > > > > > > > Good stuff. > > > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Hey All, > > > > > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of >MSC or > > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and >quoted > > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images >from > > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > > > >though. > > > > > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > > > > > >Paul Yole > > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > > > from > > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >-- > > >Anthony Cornelius > > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > >(07) 3390 4812 > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:38:41 +0930 From: Richard Albury X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com arky dave wrote: > What do you suppose accounts for the extreme dryness of South > Australia? I hope this isn't an overly stupid question, that's why I'm > asking people with a good idea on this matter.(Ya'll would know more > about this than I would). THANKS!!!Also, what would be the southern > boundary of the Tropics in Australia? Hi Arky A question honestly asked is never stupid. It's by asking questions you learn. After chatting with me on yahoo. many Americans have started to realize just how big Australia really is Basically the tropical boundary is the Tropic of Capricorn crossing Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia on the 26th latitude Cheers Richard S.Australia +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 00:11:33 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve and Jane, Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, the video is clearer. Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? Jimmy Deguara At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this tornado....and >that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no doubt >about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, considering >that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not very >significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very >interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to weaken >and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the ground in >just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, >congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in >Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! regards >Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bussy >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jane ONeill" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > > > > Jimmy, > > > > > > it was a tornado. > > > > > > Jane > > > -------------------------------- > > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing >the > > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the > > > damage > > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it >was > > a > > > > tornado or not. > > > > > > > > Good stuff. > > > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Hey All, > > > > > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of >MSC > > or > > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and > > quoted > > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images >from > > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > > > >though. > > > > > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > > > > > >Paul Yole > > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > > > from > > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:27:54 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Let me rephrase the following e-mail (7:21am) Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute seems more realistic than the 9 minutes previously stated based on the video stills. But as is suggested, the video is clearer to view and provides the advantages of motion. I suppose it also shows that it touched down and you can see the debri cloud or the tornado making contact. As I said, it would be great to see the video during the ASWA Conference weekend. I hope it can be shown during the conference itself. Have there been damage assessments done by the BoM as yet? Sorry but nobody answered my question on this. If so, what intensity would it have ben given? Great to see science at work here. Have a nice day. Jimmy Deguara At 12:11 AM 8/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Clyve and Jane, > >Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the >video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, >the video is clearer. > >Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? > >Jimmy Deguara > >At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi all. >>I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this tornado....and >>that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no doubt >>about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, considering >>that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not very >>significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very >>interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to weaken >>and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the ground in >>just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, >>congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in >>Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! regards >>Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bussy >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! >> >> >> > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. >> > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jane ONeill" >> > To: >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! >> > >> > >> > > Jimmy, >> > > >> > > it was a tornado. >> > > >> > > Jane >> > > -------------------------------- >> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne >> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com >> > > >> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers >> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com >> > > >> > > ASWA - Victoria >> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au >> > > -------------------------------- >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Paul, >> > > > >> > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really >> > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing >>the >> > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the >> > > damage >> > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it >>was >> > a >> > > > tornado or not. >> > > > >> > > > Good stuff. >> > > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara >> > > > >> > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >> > > > >Hey All, >> > > > > >> > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State >> > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in >> > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of >>MSC >> > or >> > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little >> > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and >> > quoted >> > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a >> > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. >> > > > > >> > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images >>from >> > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event >> > > > >though. >> > > > > >> > > > >The images and reports can be found at >> > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm >> > > > > >> > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. >> > > > > >> > > > >Paul Yole >> > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria >> > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 >> > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ >> > > > > >> > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >> > > your >> > > > > message. >> > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------- >> > > > Jimmy Deguara >> > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher >> > > > >> > > > from >> > > > Schofields, Sydney >> > > > NSW Australia >> > > > >> > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au >> > > > >> > > > Web Page with Michael Bath >> > > > >> > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page >> > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com >> > > > >> > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >> > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au >> > > > >> > > > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> > to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >> > your >> > > > message. >> > > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >>to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >>your >> > > message. >> > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > >> > >> > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> > message. >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:52:23 -0700 Organization: www.canberra-wx.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 13:52:30.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC015C30:01C23E19] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We will see this Video at the AGM, if so im looking foward to it...oh and meeting Jane :o) (and everyone else) Simon www.canberra-wx.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:57 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > Hi all. > I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this tornado....and > that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no doubt > about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, considering > that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not very > significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very > interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to weaken > and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the ground in > just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, > congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in > Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! regards > Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bussy > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jane ONeill" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > > > > Jimmy, > > > > > > it was a tornado. > > > > > > Jane > > > -------------------------------- > > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing > the > > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the > > > damage > > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it > was > > a > > > > tornado or not. > > > > > > > > Good stuff. > > > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Hey All, > > > > > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of > MSC > > or > > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and > > quoted > > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images > from > > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > > > >though. > > > > > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > > > > > >Paul Yole > > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > > > from > > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:12:12 -0700 Organization: www.canberra-wx.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 14:12:18.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[70895510:01C23E1C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Macca, Great research with some great examples. Thanks for taking the time to research and write it. cheers Simon www.canberra-wx.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > Jimmy and all, > > I think you'll find that gustnadoes are still tornadoes - just tornadoes not > actually associated with storm-scale rotation. In the case mentioned in > your email from Novemnber 22 1999, there was in fact a funnel cloud > associated with the dust whirl (see link below) but whether this was > generated from storm scale rotation (of which there was some evidence) or > some other force is debateable. Given the definition in the NOAA Storm > Spotters Glossary, a gustnado is still a tornado and as such the event > mentioned above was in fact a tornado. > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1999/1122mp03.jpg > > *Extract from A COMPREHENSIVE GLOSSARY OF WEATHER TERMS FOR STORM SPOTTERS > by Michael Branick - NOAA/WFO Norman* > "Gustnado (or Gustinado) - [Slang], gust front tornado. A small tornado, > usually weak and short-lived, that occurs along the gust front of a > thunderstorm. Often it is visible only as a debris cloud or dust whirl near > the ground. Gustnadoes are not associated with storm-scale rotation (i.e. > mesocyclones); they are more likely to be associated visually with a shelf > cloud than with a wall cloud." > > Link to NOAA Storm Spotters Glossary: > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2.html > > "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell III looks into the gustnado in > quite a bit of detail. Doswell says, "The visual appearances of true > gustnadoes (as opposed to tornadoes along a gust front, which are manifestly > different phenomena) indicate they are shallow (perhaps 10-100 m deep) with > no apparent connection to any process happening at cloud base or > above....There seems to be a disturbing trend to refer to all tornadoes > occurring on a gust front as "gustnadoes" whereas I have tried, apparently > without success, to confine the term to the shallow vortices on gust fronts > that seem not to extend as far as cloud base." > > Based on this definition, you then have to make a clear distinction between > a tornado and a gustnado. And from this, you would then have to class the > event of 22nd November 1999 as a tornado given the presence of the funnel > cloud at cloud base level. > > > As for the Euroa tornado....was it a tornado? - that is the question! > > On the positive side.... > > Here are some more extracts from "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell > III. > > "The public at large has many misconceptions about tornadoes, a notable one > being that unless the condensation cloud associated with that rotating > column of air is touching the surface, it is not a tornado. This is > manifestly untrue, as many storm chasers realize fully. Since it is the wind > associated with the rotating air column that does the damage, it is the > moving air (wind) and not the cloud that constitutes the tornado....It is > quite possible for the circulation to be more or less completely invisible > for at least some portion of the life cycle of the event" > > and furthermore.... > > "When the visible funnel does not reach the surface, silly reports of a > "funnel cloud accompanied by wind damage" can occur, or such absurdities are > reported as "The funnel only reached treetop level" or whatever. We probably > will find it difficult ever to convince the public as a whole that a tornado > is wind and not the funnel cloud. Hopefully, no self-respecting > meteorologist would do anything to perpetuate such misconceptions. Also, > storm chasers who believe this could get into a lot of trouble, quickly! By > the way, "tornado on the ground" is redundant, since to be a tornado, the > damaging winds have to be present at the surface at that time." > > Now for the negative side.... > > "Among chasers, it is a common assumption that if a funnel cloud extends > halfway or more to the ground from cloud base, there almost certainly is a > tornadic circulation at the surface. This may or may not be true in any > specific instance ... it probably is more right than wrong. For official > purposes, however, such a "storm chaser's rule" is not a legitimate > assumption; by definition, one must confirm the existence of a damaging > circulation at the surface before the event can legitimately be called a > tornado. If such a confirmation cannot be made, the event must be considered > to be a funnel cloud or a "possible" tornado." > > ...and now some more for the positive side.... > > "Recent research, some connected with the VORTEX program, has made it clear > that vortical flows are often present at the surface, even without any > visible funnel cloud. If a condensation funnel is present that does not > "touch" the surface, some sort of "circulation" [10] is virtually certain to > be present, but it may not be sufficient to raise debris. In the absence of > debris, it is hard to know if the situation has become tornadic or not." > > So....was it a tornado? From the evidence above, the pictures and the > reports I've read and heard from Jane I would say that it is a tornado. > > If anyone wishes to read the full essay "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. > Doswell III. you can find it here: > > http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/doswell/public_html//a_tornado/atornado.html > > It is a great read and it asks and answers many of the questions about the > current definition/s of a tornado. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimmy Deguara > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > Hi Anthony, > > > > "that the chances are so > > high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > > almost definately a tornado." > > > > Ahhhh - I agree with that concept and that is my opinion - it is most > > likely a tornado. > > > > Who was the person in the BoM who noted it as a funnel? Perhaps they need > > to be told of the damage track. Was a damage survey done? And if so by > whom? > > > > > > Now check out this US report and the photograph associated with it > > > > http://www.onthefront.ws/mar2902.htm take particular note what they > call it > > > > http://www.onthefront.ws/images/32902v5.jpg > > > > > > Anyway, that's science, full of debate. > > > > By the way, I have been also looking into the dust whirls of November 22 > > 1999 in SE Qld. The consensus seems to point to gustnado after all despite > > the dust whirls. > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/tornado.htm go down to the dust > > whirls. Not enough evidence. > > > > You will see during the ASWA Conference why!!! > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 06:42 PM 6/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >I think you have to say that since you can visibly see the funnel cloud > > >to about 90% of the ground (trees below that), that the chances are so > > >high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > > >almost definately a tornado. > > > > > >Besides, Jane mentioned there was a damage track reported too I think??? > > > > > >AC > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing > the > > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the > damage > > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it > was a > > > > tornado or not. > > > > > > > > Good stuff. > > > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Hey All, > > > > > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of > MSC or > > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and > quoted > > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images > from > > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > > > >though. > > > > > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > > > > > >Paul Yole > > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > > > from > > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >-- > > >Anthony Cornelius > > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > >(07) 3390 4812 > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:29:01 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:38 PM 7/08/2002 +0930, you wrote: >Basically the tropical boundary is the Tropic of Capricorn crossing >Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia on the 26th >latitude Umm, I thought it was 23.5 degrees (or wherever the tilt of the Earth's axis is). Definitely less than 26. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:36:54 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Gravity is a myth... The Earth sucks! :oP (sorry) Regs. Paul. (Stargazer) http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heat/Temperature > Hi Ken, > > I suggest that snow getting to ground has rather a lot to do with gravity > and actually nothing to do with how cold it is. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "twc" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:43:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmm, This is the reply I get when I put the query to Google... Your search - "Full moon heats Earth" - did not match any documents. Suggestions: Make sure all words are spelled correctly. Try different keywords. Try more general keywords. Also, you can try Google Answers for expert help with your search. A perplexed Craig. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 1:37 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF13/1367.html there's more too, Craig - just dial "Full moon heats Earth" into google.com and you'll get a whole swag of stuff best Ken www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Arthur" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hi Ken, > > I'd certainly be interested in reading the references if you'd like to > forward them. > > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2002 11:19 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Hi Craig and all > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look for where > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you name it. I > would say cold is another concept which has to come from somewhere. Nor can > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and arguably even > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with the > direction in mind that cold travels. > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all due > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those books has > much to contribute to this discussion. > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon has a > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona State > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global temps. Temps > in > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon and coolest > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats the > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It > shows > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters Earth's > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic radiation. > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source refs I > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - whether or not > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it gets colder > over a 24 hour period. > cheers > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Arthur" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:21 PM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Hi Ken, all > > > > I'm concerned as to the "cold of space" term referred to. Most texts on > > meteorology include a diagram of the temperature as the altitude > increases. > > Firstly there is the "warm region" at around 50 km. Then temperature > > increases rapidly above 100km. > > > > This is due to the rapid increase in mean free path of the molecules > which > > by this level are the lighter elements such as hydrogen and helium. The > > mean free path is also inversely proportional to pressure, so as this > > decreases the mean free path increases also. The problem is in the > vastness > > of space there are such few atoms/molecules to pass this energy to any > body > > with great success. I think that the term "cold of space" is rather > > misleading. There is little to no heat or "cool" (for want of a better > > word) stored in the near-vacuum of space. > > > > Atmospheric "cool" would be "created" in the upper levels of the > > troposphere due to the free expansion of gas which results in a drop in > > temperature (according to the ideal gas law). > > > > I would agree with John Woodbridge in the idea that if the full moon > > created clear skies, radiational cooling under these clear skies would > lead > > to lower minimums around full moon. I don't have any statistical evidence > > to that side, so I will leave it there. > > > > Craig Arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > Sent: Friday, 26 July 2002 02:15 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > Hi John > > > so to say that it is cold, or has > > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. > > Hmm..interesting. The trouble is, you could say the same about heat, > which > > also comes via space. But we do have this word 'cold' and cold falls just > > as > > heat rises. In fact one replaces the other. One could ask, where does > > atmospheric cold come from, assuming everything has a source. Then the > only > > answer must surely be from upper levels and descending. The cold of space > > has been measured at minus 220. > > > So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > > > warmer... > > I think I'd suggest that at airtide-out the density of the atmosphere was > > thinner and the heat layer weakened, allowing cold to get through. > > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) > then > > it > > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... > > Not if the dispersing effect came from a stretching of the atmosphere to > a > > greater height, which is what I think the Full moon does. > > cheers > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Woodbridge" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is cold, or > has > > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And in > > fact, > > > as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature > increases > > > dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold > moonless > > > nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > > > warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner > atmosphere > > it > > > has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily from > > the > > > surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then again, it > is > > > well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy ones, due > in > > > this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems to me > > that > > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) > then > > it > > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... > So > > I > > > would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between full > > moon > > > and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one between new > > moon > > > and colder nights. > > > > > > Regards, > > > John W. > > > >snip > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but as > soon > > as > > > the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, even in > > > summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is when > heat > > > exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air tide, > > just > > > like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the sky, > > airtide > > > out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check on > > night > > > temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are always > > > colder than full moon nights. > > > Ken Ring > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul Yole" > > > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM > > > Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got > an > > > explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > > > > > > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > > > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > > > > > > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > > > > > > > PaulY > > > > > > > > Paul Yole > > > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:39:10 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well, Craig, I just went to Google and typed it in and got this response: "Searched the web for Full moon heats earth. Results 1 - 10 of about 7,760. Search took 0.10 seconds " I reckon that might be part of Ken's "whole swag of stuff". I haven't had a chance to click on any of the results yet, but the summaries look like some of them are talking about the kinds of matters Ken has been sharing about. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "twc" To: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:43:11 +1000 Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hmm, > > This is the reply I get when I put the query to Google... > > > Your search - "Full moon heats Earth" - did not match any documents. > > Suggestions: > Make sure all words are spelled correctly. > Try different keywords. > Try more general keywords. > Also, you can try Google Answers for expert help with your search. > > > A perplexed Craig. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 1:37 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF13/1367.html > > there's more too, Craig - just dial "Full moon heats Earth" into > google.com > and you'll get a whole swag of stuff > best > Ken > www.predictweather.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Arthur" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:59 AM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > I'd certainly be interested in reading the references if you'd like > to > > forward them. > > > > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2002 11:19 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > Hi Craig and all > > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look for > where > > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you name > it. I > > would say cold is another concept which has to come from somewhere. > Nor > can > > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and > arguably > even > > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with the > > direction in mind that cold travels. > > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all > due > > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those > books > has > > much to contribute to this discussion. > > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon has a > > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona > State > > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global temps. > Temps > > in > > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon and > coolest > > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 > synodic > > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the > moon > > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. > Significant > > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats > the > > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found > that > the > > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range > of > > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. > It > > shows > > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but > the > > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters > Earth's > > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic > radiation. > > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source > refs I > > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - whether > or > not > > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it gets > colder > > over a 24 hour period. > > cheers > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Arthur" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:21 PM > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > Hi Ken, all > > > > > > I'm concerned as to the "cold of space" term referred to. Most > texts > on > > > meteorology include a diagram of the temperature as the altitude > > increases. > > > Firstly there is the "warm region" at around 50 km. Then > temperature > > > increases rapidly above 100km. > > > > > > This is due to the rapid increase in mean free path of the > molecules > > which > > > by this level are the lighter elements such as hydrogen and helium. > The > > > mean free path is also inversely proportional to pressure, so as > this > > > decreases the mean free path increases also. The problem is in the > > vastness > > > of space there are such few atoms/molecules to pass this energy to > any > > body > > > with great success. I think that the term "cold of space" is rather > > > misleading. There is little to no heat or "cool" (for want of a > better > > > word) stored in the near-vacuum of space. > > > > > > Atmospheric "cool" would be "created" in the upper levels of the > > > troposphere due to the free expansion of gas which results in a > drop > in > > > temperature (according to the ideal gas law). > > > > > > I would agree with John Woodbridge in the idea that if the full > moon > > > created clear skies, radiational cooling under these clear skies > would > > lead > > > to lower minimums around full moon. I don't have any statistical > evidence > > > to that side, so I will leave it there. > > > > > > Craig Arthur > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > > Sent: Friday, 26 July 2002 02:15 > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > Hi John > > > > so to say that it is cold, or has > > > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only > solid > > > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. > > > Hmm..interesting. The trouble is, you could say the same about > heat, > > which > > > also comes via space. But we do have this word 'cold' and cold > falls > just > > > as > > > heat rises. In fact one replaces the other. One could ask, where > does > > > atmospheric cold come from, assuming everything has a source. Then > the > > only > > > answer must surely be from upper levels and descending. The cold of > space > > > has been measured at minus 220. > > > > So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in > fact be > > > > warmer... > > > I think I'd suggest that at airtide-out the density of the > atmosphere > was > > > thinner and the heat layer weakened, allowing cold to get through. > > > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous > email) > > then > > > it > > > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat > loss... > > > Not if the dispersing effect came from a stretching of the > atmosphere to > > a > > > greater height, which is what I think the Full moon does. > > > cheers > > > Ken > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Woodbridge" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > > > Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is > cold, > or > > has > > > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only > solid > > > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And > in > > > fact, > > > > as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature > > increases > > > > dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold > > moonless > > > > nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the > upper > > > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in > fact be > > > > warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner > > atmosphere > > > it > > > > has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily > from > > > the > > > > surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then > again, it > > is > > > > well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy > ones, > due > > in > > > > this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems > to me > > > that > > > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous > email) > > then > > > it > > > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat > loss... > > So > > > I > > > > would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between > full > > > moon > > > > and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one > between > new > > > moon > > > > and colder nights. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > John W. > > > > >snip > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken > Ring > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but > as > > soon > > > as > > > > the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, > even > in > > > > summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is > when > > heat > > > > exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air > tide, > > > just > > > > like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the > sky, > > > airtide > > > > out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check > on > > > night > > > > temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are > always > > > > colder than full moon nights. > > > > Ken Ring > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul Yole" > > > > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM > > > > Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > > > > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! > Anyone > got > > an > > > > explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > > > > > > > > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > > > > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > > > > > > > > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > > > > > > > > > PaulY > > > > > > > > > > Paul Yole > > > > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > > EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Chase report for 3rd August 2002 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:12:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Clyve, my mistake was chasing the early convection over the southern highlands. There simply was not enough surface temperature to give solid updrafts. That is why the Penrith storm did so well, it probably had another 5-8C of surface heating to play with. The ones over the ocean did not have the temperature advantage, but lots extra moisture. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:10 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Chase report for 3rd August 2002 > Hi Michael. > Very nice pics and excellent contrast, some of those updrafts are very > solid. regards Clyve H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Thompson > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:16 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Chase report for 3rd August 2002 > > > > I have placed my chase report for the 3rd of August online. Some nice > > photos, nothing severe, but nice colours, etc. > > > > http://ozthunder.com/chase/chase32.htm > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:00:37 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Craig There must be something wrong with your system. I went in and got it again the same as Phil. But anyway, just in case you can't find it, I think the first article is probably the main one. It contains the following pertinent comment.. "Shaffer and his colleagues think the cause is heat transfer within the earth's atmosphere. They suspect that tidal pull from the full moon changes major wind patterns in the upper atmosphere--perhaps affecting the jet streams so loved by TV meteorologists, as they show these rivers of air snaking above the world from west to east, nudging high- and low-pressure systems around continental features, fencing warm air masses away from colder ones. The Arizonans are presently guessing that the moon's gravitational tug alters waves within the wind systems, somehow either enhancing or suppressing their usual effects. But, whatever the exact mechanism, the researchers are pretty sure that the polar air mass is warmer under the full moon because somehow more equatorial warmth gets carried to the ends of the earth..." I did say refs with an "s" so here's another. It appeared in the New Scientist of 1st April, p12, entitled "Tidal Warning: Is the Moon Turning up the Earth's thermostat?" (from Source: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 21 March 2000). If you are a subscriber I assume you can read the article on their site which is www.newscientist.com. Anyway, the main point I want to get across is, it's not just me making claims about the moon's effect.. regards Ken www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Well, Craig, I just went to Google and typed it in and got this response: > "Searched the web for Full moon heats earth. Results 1 - 10 of about > 7,760. Search took 0.10 seconds " > I reckon that might be part of Ken's "whole swag of stuff". I haven't > had a chance to click on any of the results yet, but the summaries look > like some of them are talking about the kinds of matters Ken has been > sharing about. > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "twc" > To: > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:43:11 +1000 > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Hmm, > > > > This is the reply I get when I put the query to Google... > > > > > > Your search - "Full moon heats Earth" - did not match any documents. > > > > Suggestions: > > Make sure all words are spelled correctly. > > Try different keywords. > > Try more general keywords. > > Also, you can try Google Answers for expert help with your search. > > > > > > A perplexed Craig. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 1:37 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF13/1367.html > > > > there's more too, Craig - just dial "Full moon heats Earth" into > > google.com > > and you'll get a whole swag of stuff > > best > > Ken > > www.predictweather.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Arthur" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:59 AM > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > I'd certainly be interested in reading the references if you'd like > > to > > > forward them. > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > > Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2002 11:19 > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > Hi Craig and all > > > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look for > > where > > > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you name > > it. I > > > would say cold is another concept which has to come from somewhere. > > Nor > > can > > > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and > > arguably > > even > > > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with the > > > direction in mind that cold travels. > > > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all > > due > > > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those > > books > > has > > > much to contribute to this discussion. > > > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon has a > > > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona > > State > > > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global temps. > > Temps > > > in > > > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon and > > coolest > > > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 > > synodic > > > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the > > moon > > > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. > > Significant > > > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats > > the > > > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found > > that > > the > > > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range > > of > > > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. > > It > > > shows > > > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but > > the > > > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters > > Earth's > > > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic > > radiation. > > > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source > > refs I > > > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - whether > > or > > not > > > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it gets > > colder > > > over a 24 hour period. > > > cheers > > > Ken > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Craig Arthur" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:21 PM > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ken, all > > > > > > > > I'm concerned as to the "cold of space" term referred to. Most > > texts > > on > > > > meteorology include a diagram of the temperature as the altitude > > > increases. > > > > Firstly there is the "warm region" at around 50 km. Then > > temperature > > > > increases rapidly above 100km. > > > > > > > > This is due to the rapid increase in mean free path of the > > molecules > > > which > > > > by this level are the lighter elements such as hydrogen and helium. > > The > > > > mean free path is also inversely proportional to pressure, so as > > this > > > > decreases the mean free path increases also. The problem is in the > > > vastness > > > > of space there are such few atoms/molecules to pass this energy to > > any > > > body > > > > with great success. I think that the term "cold of space" is rather > > > > misleading. There is little to no heat or "cool" (for want of a > > better > > > > word) stored in the near-vacuum of space. > > > > > > > > Atmospheric "cool" would be "created" in the upper levels of the > > > > troposphere due to the free expansion of gas which results in a > > drop > > in > > > > temperature (according to the ideal gas law). > > > > > > > > I would agree with John Woodbridge in the idea that if the full > > moon > > > > created clear skies, radiational cooling under these clear skies > > would > > > lead > > > > to lower minimums around full moon. I don't have any statistical > > evidence > > > > to that side, so I will leave it there. > > > > > > > > Craig Arthur > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > > > Sent: Friday, 26 July 2002 02:15 > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi John > > > > > so to say that it is cold, or has > > > > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only > > solid > > > > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. > > > > Hmm..interesting. The trouble is, you could say the same about > > heat, > > > which > > > > also comes via space. But we do have this word 'cold' and cold > > falls > > just > > > > as > > > > heat rises. In fact one replaces the other. One could ask, where > > does > > > > atmospheric cold come from, assuming everything has a source. Then > > the > > > only > > > > answer must surely be from upper levels and descending. The cold of > > space > > > > has been measured at minus 220. > > > > > So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > > > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in > > fact be > > > > > warmer... > > > > I think I'd suggest that at airtide-out the density of the > > atmosphere > > was > > > > thinner and the heat layer weakened, allowing cold to get through. > > > > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous > > email) > > > then > > > > it > > > > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat > > loss... > > > > Not if the dispersing effect came from a stretching of the > > atmosphere to > > > a > > > > greater height, which is what I think the Full moon does. > > > > cheers > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Woodbridge" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM > > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > > > > > Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is > > cold, > > or > > > has > > > > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only > > solid > > > > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And > > in > > > > fact, > > > > > as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature > > > increases > > > > > dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold > > > moonless > > > > > nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the > > upper > > > > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in > > fact be > > > > > warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner > > > atmosphere > > > > it > > > > > has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily > > from > > > > the > > > > > surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then > > again, it > > > is > > > > > well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy > > ones, > > due > > > in > > > > > this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems > > to me > > > > that > > > > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous > > email) > > > then > > > > it > > > > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat > > loss... > > > So > > > > I > > > > > would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between > > full > > > > moon > > > > > and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one > > between > > new > > > > moon > > > > > and colder nights. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > John W. > > > > > >snip > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken > > Ring > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM > > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but > > as > > > soon > > > > as > > > > > the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, > > even > > in > > > > > summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is > > when > > > heat > > > > > exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air > > tide, > > > > just > > > > > like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the > > sky, > > > > airtide > > > > > out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check > > on > > > > night > > > > > temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are > > always > > > > > colder than full moon nights. > > > > > Ken Ring > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Paul Yole" > > > > > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM > > > > > Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! > > Anyone > > got > > > an > > > > > explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > > > > > > > > > > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > > > > > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > > > > > > > > > > > PaulY > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul Yole > > > > > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > > > EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > > body of > > > > your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Stargazer" To: "Aussie-Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Hot vs Cold Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:51:52 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
So what is the opposite to cold... heat or hot?
I would say hot. I've heard of heating things but never colding things.
As an object looses heat energy we refer to it as cooling.
 
What's hot & what's cold? That all depends on you point of view. You say a red star is cooler then a blue star. I say there all flaming hot! :) 
At what point does something stop being cold & starts being hot (or vice-versa)?
 
Just had to stick my noes in...
(now waiting for it to be rubbed off :)
 
From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:02:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2002 14:11:01.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C9B1190:01C23EE5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy, Even though they are not counted as tornadoes they are still tornadoes according to the NOAA definition. If you take Doswell's definition they are merely vortices. Perhaps the dust whirl was a vorticy on the gust front but it just seemed quite conincidental that there was a funnel shaped cloud tag (photographed by Matt P and myself) which seemingly pointed in the general direction of the dust whirls. Granted the funnel couldn't visibly be seen to be rotating but the dust whirl sure was. It would be interesting to see some more study done on these smaller, less respected vortices as I'm sure a lot could be learnt in both a meteorological sense and from an aviation perspective. Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:07 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > Hi Andrew, > > There is no evidence that that was a funnel. I a not suggesting it either > way. However, I can say that earlier in the piece there seemed to be > another funnel but that was may not have been associated with the > dustwhirls. In hind site, we were too far away to be calling it anything. > > What I am calling it then is possible tornado/ gustnado. There was a lot of > outflow as that storm was becoming outflow dominant and I believe it met > some weaker inflow for the rear NW part of the storm was typical of the > wind profile on that day. This explains the anti-cyclonic rotation of the > dustwhirls. > > As to the gustnado business, actual gustnadoes are not counted as tornadoes > in the US otherwise there will be thousands a year. But as to We saw > several gustnadoes in a 30 minute period. Whether a funnel related to the > dustwhirls, I am not sure - very few are documented. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 11:32 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Jimmy and all, > > > >I think you'll find that gustnadoes are still tornadoes - just tornadoes not > >actually associated with storm-scale rotation. In the case mentioned in > >your email from Novemnber 22 1999, there was in fact a funnel cloud > >associated with the dust whirl (see link below) but whether this was > >generated from storm scale rotation (of which there was some evidence) or > >some other force is debateable. Given the definition in the NOAA Storm > >Spotters Glossary, a gustnado is still a tornado and as such the event > >mentioned above was in fact a tornado. > > > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1999/1122mp03.jpg > > > >*Extract from A COMPREHENSIVE GLOSSARY OF WEATHER TERMS FOR STORM SPOTTERS > >by Michael Branick - NOAA/WFO Norman* > >"Gustnado (or Gustinado) - [Slang], gust front tornado. A small tornado, > >usually weak and short-lived, that occurs along the gust front of a > >thunderstorm. Often it is visible only as a debris cloud or dust whirl near > >the ground. Gustnadoes are not associated with storm-scale rotation (i.e. > >mesocyclones); they are more likely to be associated visually with a shelf > >cloud than with a wall cloud." > > > >Link to NOAA Storm Spotters Glossary: > > > >http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2.html > > > >"What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell III looks into the gustnado in > >quite a bit of detail. Doswell says, "The visual appearances of true > >gustnadoes (as opposed to tornadoes along a gust front, which are manifestly > >different phenomena) indicate they are shallow (perhaps 10-100 m deep) with > >no apparent connection to any process happening at cloud base or > >above....There seems to be a disturbing trend to refer to all tornadoes > >occurring on a gust front as "gustnadoes" whereas I have tried, apparently > >without success, to confine the term to the shallow vortices on gust fronts > >that seem not to extend as far as cloud base." > > > >Based on this definition, you then have to make a clear distinction between > >a tornado and a gustnado. And from this, you would then have to class the > >event of 22nd November 1999 as a tornado given the presence of the funnel > >cloud at cloud base level. > > > > > >As for the Euroa tornado....was it a tornado? - that is the question! > > > >On the positive side.... > > > >Here are some more extracts from "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. Doswell > >III. > > > >"The public at large has many misconceptions about tornadoes, a notable one > >being that unless the condensation cloud associated with that rotating > >column of air is touching the surface, it is not a tornado. This is > >manifestly untrue, as many storm chasers realize fully. Since it is the wind > >associated with the rotating air column that does the damage, it is the > >moving air (wind) and not the cloud that constitutes the tornado....It is > >quite possible for the circulation to be more or less completely invisible > >for at least some portion of the life cycle of the event" > > > >and furthermore.... > > > >"When the visible funnel does not reach the surface, silly reports of a > >"funnel cloud accompanied by wind damage" can occur, or such absurdities are > >reported as "The funnel only reached treetop level" or whatever. We probably > >will find it difficult ever to convince the public as a whole that a tornado > >is wind and not the funnel cloud. Hopefully, no self-respecting > >meteorologist would do anything to perpetuate such misconceptions. Also, > >storm chasers who believe this could get into a lot of trouble, quickly! By > >the way, "tornado on the ground" is redundant, since to be a tornado, the > >damaging winds have to be present at the surface at that time." > > > >Now for the negative side.... > > > >"Among chasers, it is a common assumption that if a funnel cloud extends > >halfway or more to the ground from cloud base, there almost certainly is a > >tornadic circulation at the surface. This may or may not be true in any > >specific instance ... it probably is more right than wrong. For official > >purposes, however, such a "storm chaser's rule" is not a legitimate > >assumption; by definition, one must confirm the existence of a damaging > >circulation at the surface before the event can legitimately be called a > >tornado. If such a confirmation cannot be made, the event must be considered > >to be a funnel cloud or a "possible" tornado." > > > >...and now some more for the positive side.... > > > >"Recent research, some connected with the VORTEX program, has made it clear > >that vortical flows are often present at the surface, even without any > >visible funnel cloud. If a condensation funnel is present that does not > >"touch" the surface, some sort of "circulation" [10] is virtually certain to > >be present, but it may not be sufficient to raise debris. In the absence of > >debris, it is hard to know if the situation has become tornadic or not." > > > >So....was it a tornado? From the evidence above, the pictures and the > >reports I've read and heard from Jane I would say that it is a tornado. > > > >If anyone wishes to read the full essay "What is a tornado?" by Charles A. > >Doswell III. you can find it here: > > > >http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/doswell/public_html//a_tornado/atornado.html > > > >It is a great read and it asks and answers many of the questions about the > >current definition/s of a tornado. > > > >Regards, > > > >Andrew McDonald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jimmy Deguara > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:26 PM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > > > > > Hi Anthony, > > > > > > "that the chances are so > > > high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > > > almost definately a tornado." > > > > > > Ahhhh - I agree with that concept and that is my opinion - it is most > > > likely a tornado. > > > > > > Who was the person in the BoM who noted it as a funnel? Perhaps they need > > > to be told of the damage track. Was a damage survey done? And if so by > >whom? > > > > > > > > > Now check out this US report and the photograph associated with it > > > > > > http://www.onthefront.ws/mar2902.htm take particular note what they > >call it > > > > > > http://www.onthefront.ws/images/32902v5.jpg > > > > > > > > > Anyway, that's science, full of debate. > > > > > > By the way, I have been also looking into the dust whirls of November 22 > > > 1999 in SE Qld. The consensus seems to point to gustnado after all despite > > > the dust whirls. > > > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/tornado.htm go down to the dust > > > whirls. Not enough evidence. > > > > > > You will see during the ASWA Conference why!!! > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > > At 06:42 PM 6/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > >I think you have to say that since you can visibly see the funnel cloud > > > >to about 90% of the ground (trees below that), that the chances are so > > > >high that the remainder of the vortex is reaching the ground that it's > > > >almost definately a tornado. > > > > > > > >Besides, Jane mentioned there was a damage track reported too I think??? > > > > > > > >AC > > > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > > > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing > >the > > > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the > >damage > > > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it > >was a > > > > > tornado or not. > > > > > > > > > > Good stuff. > > > > > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >Hey All, > > > > > > > > > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > > > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of > >MSC or > > > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and > >quoted > > > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > > > > > > > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images > >from > > > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > > > > >though. > > > > > > > > > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > > > > > > > > > >Paul Yole > > > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > > > > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Anthony Cornelius > > > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > > >(07) 3390 4812 > > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >your > > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: aus-wx: convection height Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:56:48 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
just got onto the soundings in the aviation site, i gotta try and start getting some sort of handle on these thinge for the upcoming storm season, what does the chart referring to convection height refer to, is it cloudbase or maybe cloud top?
 
regards
richard modistach
From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:35:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2002 14:43:47.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[00CDC570:01C23EEA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy and all, The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well - they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not issuing a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an extremely reliable, registered storm spotter. In the definition supplied by the BoM..... "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the Bureau of Meteorology as one which produces: hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or flash floods; or tornadoes, or any combination of these." This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, in my opinion, warranting a warning. One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) at the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in the space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no warning was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado were probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate the roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s should be given adequate warning. Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: 1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no action is seemingly taken? 2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado tears it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have had a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming anyone of the happenings of April 14 1999?). Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter reports and weather warnings. I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from that day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet not much is showing up on radar. I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at the BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM find themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should the unthinkable happen. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > Let me rephrase the following e-mail (7:21am) > > Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute seems more realistic than the 9 minutes > previously stated based on the video stills. But as is suggested, the video > is clearer to view and provides the advantages of motion. I suppose it also > shows that it touched down and you can see the debri cloud or the tornado > making contact. As I said, it would be great to see the video during the > ASWA Conference weekend. I hope it can be shown during the conference itself. > > Have there been damage assessments done by the BoM as yet? Sorry but nobody > answered my question on this. If so, what intensity would it have ben given? > > Great to see science at work here. > > Have a nice day. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 12:11 AM 8/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi Clyve and Jane, > > > >Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the > >video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, > >the video is clearer. > > > >Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > >At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >>Hi all. > >>I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this tornado....and > >>that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no doubt > >>about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, considering > >>that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not very > >>significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very > >>interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to weaken > >>and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the ground in > >>just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, > >>congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in > >>Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! regards > >>Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Bussy > >>To: > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > >> > >> > >> > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > >> > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Jane ONeill" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > >> > > >> > > >> > > Jimmy, > >> > > > >> > > it was a tornado. > >> > > > >> > > Jane > >> > > -------------------------------- > >> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > >> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >> > > > >> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > >> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >> > > > >> > > ASWA - Victoria > >> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >> > > -------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > >> > > To: > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Paul, > >> > > > > >> > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to really > >> > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs showing > >>the > >> > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess the > >> > > damage > >> > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether it > >>was > >> > a > >> > > > tornado or not. > >> > > > > >> > > > Good stuff. > >> > > > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > >> > > > > >> > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >> > > > >Hey All, > >> > > > > > >> > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > >> > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown in > >> > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention of > >>MSC > >> > or > >> > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > >> > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, and > >> > quoted > >> > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > >> > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > >> > > > > > >> > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the images > >>from > >> > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > >> > > > >though. > >> > > > > > >> > > > >The images and reports can be found at > >> > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > >> > > > > > >> > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > >> > > > > > >> > > > >Paul Yole > >> > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > >> > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > >> > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > >> > > > > > >> > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >> > > your > >> > > > > message. > >> > > > > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > >> > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >> > > > > >> > > > from > >> > > > Schofields, Sydney > >> > > > NSW Australia > >> > > > > >> > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >> > > > > >> > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > >> > > > > >> > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > >> > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >> > > > > >> > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > >> > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >> > to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >> > your > >> > > > message. > >> > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > > > >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >>to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >>your > >> > > message. > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> > message. > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Jimmy Deguara > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > >from > >Schofields, Sydney > >NSW Australia > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:58:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well folks, before we all climb on the bandwagon too much, lets keep in mind that the BoM have access to tools such as 3d radar, undelayed lightning tracker etc., and no doubt would be making their own estimation of storm severity. I'm sure that if the thing looked like a tornadic supercell with strong hail signatures, they would issue a warning. When it comes to coldies they are a bit tricky. They are short lived, weak, and can be associated with relatively innocuous Cb's, e.g., would you expect the BoM to issue a severe storm warning for a waterspout associated with a modest Cu close to the coast, when there is no associated lightning activity or radar signature worth noting? Yet such waterspouts have been known to cause damage if they come ashore. I accept the argument that there is no point having a spotter network if it is ignored, and perhaps a STW was indeed justified for this event (I havn't seen the analysis). But I also think we have to assume that the BoM have some credibility. Regards, John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Simon Angell Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:07 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Yes Andrew, i waited eagerly for an STW to be issued, but nothing. Perhaps the Warnings center had a golf day down there in Lovley Melbourne (j/k) they sure as hell wern't on the ball! Now, I am an Advocate of the BoM and What they do, and hopefully one day i will be working for them, but its times like these, that you can see why the public at large have such bad attitude toward them. Im POSTIVE that if jane hade reported a funnel over Melbourne's suburbs an STW would be issued within minutes. I wonder what the outcry would be if it had large hail in it, destroying Crops and killing livestock??? Cheers Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > Jimmy and all, > > The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well - > they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > > Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not issuing > a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an extremely > reliable, registered storm spotter. > > In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > > "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the Bureau of > Meteorology as one which produces: > > hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or > wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or > flash floods; or > tornadoes, or any combination of these." > > This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, in my > opinion, warranting a warning. > > One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) at > the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in the > space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no warning > was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado were > probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate the > roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s should > be given adequate warning. > > Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: > 1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no > action is seemingly taken? > 2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado tears > it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have had > a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming anyone > of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > > Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter > reports and weather warnings. > > I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from that > day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet not > much is showing up on radar. > > I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at the > BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM find > themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should the > unthinkable happen. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimmy Deguara > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > > > Let me rephrase the following e-mail (7:21am) > > > > Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute seems more realistic than the 9 > minutes > > previously stated based on the video stills. But as is suggested, the > video > > is clearer to view and provides the advantages of motion. I suppose it > also > > shows that it touched down and you can see the debri cloud or the tornado > > making contact. As I said, it would be great to see the video during the > > ASWA Conference weekend. I hope it can be shown during the conference > itself. > > > > Have there been damage assessments done by the BoM as yet? Sorry but > nobody > > answered my question on this. If so, what intensity would it have ben > given? > > > > Great to see science at work here. > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 12:11 AM 8/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Clyve and Jane, > > > > > >Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the > > >video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, > > >the video is clearer. > > > > > >Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > > > >At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >>Hi all. > > >>I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this tornado....and > > >>that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no > doubt > > >>about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, > considering > > >>that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not very > > >>significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very > > >>interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to > weaken > > >>and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the ground > in > > >>just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, > > >>congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in > > >>Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! > regards > > >>Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bussy > > >>To: > > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM > > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > >> > > >> > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > > >> > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Jane ONeill" > > >> > To: > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > > >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Jimmy, > > >> > > > > >> > > it was a tornado. > > >> > > > > >> > > Jane > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > >> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > >> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > ASWA - Victoria > > >> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > >> > > To: > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Paul, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to > really > > >> > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs > showing > > >>the > > >> > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess > the > > >> > > damage > > >> > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether > it > > >>was > > >> > a > > >> > > > tornado or not. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Good stuff. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > > > >> > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >> > > > >Hey All, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > >> > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown > in > > >> > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention > of > > >>MSC > > >> > or > > >> > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > >> > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, > and > > >> > quoted > > >> > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > >> > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the > images > > >>from > > >> > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > >> > > > >though. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > >> > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Paul Yole > > >> > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >> > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > >> > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > body of > > >> > > your > > >> > > > > message. > > >> > > > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > > >> > 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Everyone knows that hot is faster than cold, as anyone can catch a cold..........
Sorry, had to put that in. :-)
 
So what is the opposite to cold... heat or hot?
I would say hot. I've heard of heating things but never colding things.
As an object looses heat energy we refer to it as cooling.
From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:56:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All I can say is that I SMS'ed Jane probably an hour before to say that the sky was as black as the inside of a cow and moving down that way. I'll stand corrected on my wording there Jane :-) But whatever happened down south wouldn't surprise me in the least as it was very dark. I was at the local servo and turned all the lights on. I remember the temp dropped very rapidly with the darkness, dropping from about 11 to 5 in about 30 minutes from memory. Only about 5mm fell here on that day though. Slightly off topic but the conditions that day at Glenrowan were atrocious for Footy with the final scores being 2.4 to 2.6 with apparently most kicks not exceeding about 25 metres because of the rain etc etc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > Yes Andrew, i waited eagerly for an STW to be issued, but nothing. Perhaps > the Warnings center had a golf day down there in Lovley Melbourne (j/k) they > sure as hell wern't on the ball! > > Now, I am an Advocate of the BoM and What they do, and hopefully one day i > will be working for them, but its times like these, that you can see why the > public at large have such bad attitude toward them. Im POSTIVE that if jane > hade reported a funnel over Melbourne's suburbs an STW would be issued > within minutes. I wonder what the outcry would be if it had large hail in > it, destroying Crops and killing livestock??? > > Cheers > Simon +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:02:16 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 12:02 AM 9/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Perhaps the dust whirl was a vorticy on the gust front but >it just seemed quite conincidental that there was a funnel shaped cloud tag >(photographed by Matt P and myself) which seemingly pointed in the general >direction of the dust whirls. Granted the funnel couldn't visibly be seen >to be rotating but the dust whirl sure was. Hi Andrew, Check the video clip on the same "funnel" of the SE Qld event. It comes around from the other side and seems to dive down towards the dust whirls briefly and then disappear. It could be a funnel but maybe it isn't... From the distance I was from the event, and even from the behaviours of funnels and wall clouds in the US, I would still not commit myself to calling it a tornado with 100% certainty. So I still say possible tornado/gustnado. The dust whirls also rise sharply it seems but being in 3D, the dust plume may not be actually rising but moving forward ie not rising as sharply as I/we first thought. We don't have the benefit of doubt of someone else on the storm to confirm things. Later if you recall, we got chased by powerful outflow and raised dust. I also have a problem with inflow interaction - there was a lack of inflow that day as I suggested mainly expected from the NW side making it anti-cyclonic. The only type of behaviour I can say that points it towards a tornadic type behaviours is that wall clouds can produce side funnels which can send down funnels initially. The video is unclear from the distance we were. We could not note any rotation. Having said all this, I also wonder what the event was like earlier!!!! Check this thin band of cloud noticed by a US chaser.... http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1999/1122jd04.jpg Inflow band into the unclear but rounded updraught?? I would say it was relative inflow. Jimmy Deguara ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:15:53 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 12:35 AM 9/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Jimmy and all, > >The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well - >they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > >Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not issuing >a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an extremely >reliable, registered storm spotter. You have made a good point here. Jane is definitely reliable with an excellent relation with the BoM in Victoria. What puzzles me: Good relation in the past has led the BoM and/or ASWA members to do damage assessments of tornadic events. reliabile spotter -> video stills and photos -> no damage assessment?? I would like to think one was done. Surely Jane has been in contact with the Bureau since then so surely one must have been done - if not very disapppointing. Or have we gone to the stage like April 14 1999 when an SES volunteer was trusted over someone else. Did they observe something from close up - mistake or no mistake? Did they also have some other evidence photographs/video? But you guys would know more of that. >In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > >"SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the Bureau of >Meteorology as one which produces: > >hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or >wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or >flash floods; or >tornadoes, or any combination of these." > >This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, in my >opinion, warranting a warning. > >One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) at >the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in the >space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no warning >was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado were >probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate the >roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s should >be given adequate warning. I agree in hind site that seeing something like what is on Jane's site would definitely have a warning issued. But they didn't have it in front of them so it comes from a collection of spotter reports and how reliable a report they think it is. In the end they USE the report and make their own judgement from there and this is where I agree with John Woodbridge's comments on radar analysis. Still a warning was warranted based on the evidence. But as suggested in previous similar debates, the Bureau does not want to scare the public..... Public liability can work both ways here.... >Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: >1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no >action is seemingly taken? >2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado tears >it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have had >a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming anyone >of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > >Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter >reports and weather warnings. > >I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from that >day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet not >much is showing up on radar. > >I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at the >BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM find >themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should the >unthinkable happen. Yes definitely. Jimmy Deguara >Regards, > >Andrew McDonald > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:27 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > > > Let me rephrase the following e-mail (7:21am) > > > > Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute seems more realistic than the 9 >minutes > > previously stated based on the video stills. But as is suggested, the >video > > is clearer to view and provides the advantages of motion. I suppose it >also > > shows that it touched down and you can see the debri cloud or the tornado > > making contact. As I said, it would be great to see the video during the > > ASWA Conference weekend. I hope it can be shown during the conference >itself. > > > > Have there been damage assessments done by the BoM as yet? Sorry but >nobody > > answered my question on this. If so, what intensity would it have ben >given? > > > > Great to see science at work here. > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 12:11 AM 8/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Clyve and Jane, > > > > > >Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the > > >video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, > > >the video is clearer. > > > > > >Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > > > >At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >>Hi all. > > >>I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this tornado....and > > >>that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no >doubt > > >>about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, >considering > > >>that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not very > > >>significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very > > >>interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to >weaken > > >>and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the ground >in > > >>just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, > > >>congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in > > >>Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! >regards > > >>Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bussy > > >>To: > > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM > > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > >> > > >> > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > > >> > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Jane ONeill" > > >> > To: > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > > >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Jimmy, > > >> > > > > >> > > it was a tornado. > > >> > > > > >> > > Jane > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > >> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > >> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > ASWA - Victoria > > >> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > >> > > To: > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Paul, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to >really > > >> > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs >showing > > >>the > > >> > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess >the > > >> > > damage > > >> > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether >it > > >>was > > >> > a > > >> > > > tornado or not. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Good stuff. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > > > >> > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >> > > > >Hey All, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > >> > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown >in > > >> > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention >of > > >>MSC > > >> > or > > >> > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > >> > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, >and > > >> > quoted > > >> > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > >> > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the >images > > >>from > > >> > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > >> > > > >though. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > >> > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Paul Yole > > >> > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >> > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > >> > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the >body of > > >> > > your > > >> > > > > message. > > >> > > > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > >> > > > > > >> > > > from > > >> > > > Schofields, Sydney > > >> > > > NSW Australia > > >> > > > > > >> > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > >> > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > >> > > > > > >> > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > >> > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body >of > > >> > your > > >> > > > message. > > >> > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > >> > > 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> > >> message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >----------------------------------------- > > >Jimmy Deguara > > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > >from > > >Schofields, Sydney > > >NSW Australia > > > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > >message. > > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:10:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, An animation of the PPI from 1510 to 1710 is now available. Euroa is in the SW quadrant outside the 50km circle and is identified as EUR. http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/ppiloop.gif Many thanks to Kevin Parkyn for the images & Robert Goler for the animation. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:15:58 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Macca and all, I was very surprised that not even an advice was issued! After I got off the phone to Jane, I eagerly refreshed the warnings page many times - but alas, nothing. I understand what John is saying though - that the BoM have all of the tools there and which can *assist* them in their duties of determining severity of storms. But when you get down to it, what is more reliable? A computer program calculating an algorithm that suggests a storm is severe/not severe, or a spotter on the ground reporting a tornado? The spotter network (from my understanding) is for confirmation of radar signatures and warnings, and also for when radar doesn't show a severe storm as well as it should. I can think of a multitude of examples when storms have been severe, and have been given a surprised tone of "It doesn't look overly strong on radar." March 9, 2001 rings a bell here. If you look at the storms on radar (even 3D!), they actually look relatively weak - not overly intense in precipitation either. But this was an excellent case where radar was underestimating the amount of precipitation. This was clearly evident by most of the storms only suggesting 40-100mm/hr rain rates (something not uncommon to Brisbane). The result? 200mm in 50 minutes was reported at Logan City...and some of the worst flash floods in Brisbane's history. This was an example where a spotter report was taken fairly lightly earlier in the afternoon (ie, James Chambers reported in excess of 100mm in under an hour), but a warning wasn't put out until much later than that. This copped the BoM the title in the Courier Mail "The Bureau's 90 minutes of silence." What's my point here? Well - I can also understand from a Bureau perspective how frustrating it must be when warnings are issued, but not broadcasted by the media. My advice? Issue them anyway!!! It is better for you to do your job properly, and let some one else cop the flack rather than not doing your job properly, and copping the flack yourself. With a tornado, I believe that at the very least an advice should have been issued by the storm. I can't help but think because the storm did not look overly spectacular on radar that that was part of the reason a warning was not issued. Particularly when Jane was on the phone to the Bureau as the tornado touched down! Does this mean the Bureau trusts radar over spotters? (And not only that, a well known spotter - from my understanding Jane knows a few of the forecasters in the Melbourne RFC. Not to mention the entire Victorian Severe Weather Section!). I should really hope not, as that is a bit of a motivation blow to those who are spotters. Even for myself, who is a great advocate of the spotter network! And from a storm spotter view only, I feel frustrated that a fellow spotter's report was essentially ignored in this respect. I'll always report though - that's just me. My question is, what about other spotters out there who have just started and then find out that a report of theirs was deemed inaccurate or incorrect? Some food for thought... AC Andrew wrote: > > Jimmy and all, > > The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well - > they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > > Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not issuing > a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an extremely > reliable, registered storm spotter. > > In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > > "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the Bureau of > Meteorology as one which produces: > > hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or > wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or > flash floods; or > tornadoes, or any combination of these." > > This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, in my > opinion, warranting a warning. > > One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) at > the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in the > space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no warning > was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado were > probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate the > roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s should > be given adequate warning. > > Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: > 1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no > action is seemingly taken? > 2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado tears > it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have had > a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming anyone > of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > > Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter > reports and weather warnings. > > I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from that > day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet not > much is showing up on radar. > > I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at the > BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM find > themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should the > unthinkable happen. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Aussie Weather List" Subject: aus-wx: IRC Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:19:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Is anyone else having troubles connecting to austnet au server here. I have tried a few and can't connect today for some reason. ___________________________________ Glen O'Riley goriley at tsn.cc www.mypage.tsn.cc/oriley * Computer Repairs * Computer Sales * Computer Upgrades * Computer Networking * Computer Training * Web Page Construction * TV Antenna Installation * Livestock Work -------- WebMaster For: www.ansansw.com.au -------- Storm Chaser Firefighter SES Volunteer ACREM CB Radio Monitor Rail Fan _________________________________ Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Glen Patrick O'Riley2.vcf" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:33:43 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: IRC Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's been difficult to get into the #Weather channel this morning, I assume Austnet is having problems and ISPs are finding it difficult to resolve their servers. Try typing "/server 130.194.9.1" in your server window, that should hopefully get you through. AC Glen O'Riley wrote: > > Is anyone else having troubles connecting to austnet au server here. I have > tried a few and can't connect today for some reason. > > ___________________________________ > > Glen O'Riley > goriley at tsn.cc > www.mypage.tsn.cc/oriley > > * Computer Repairs > * Computer Sales > * Computer Upgrades > * Computer Networking > * Computer Training > * Web Page Construction > * TV Antenna Installation > * Livestock Work > -------- > WebMaster For: > www.ansansw.com.au > -------- > Storm Chaser > Firefighter > SES Volunteer > ACREM CB Radio Monitor > Rail Fan > _________________________________ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:15:45 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 01:15:45.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[49E549B0:01C23F42] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I agree Andrew. I can understand the BoM getting frustrated about warnings and such too. I know of only a few radio stations (none of them commercial ones) that broadcast warnings. This must be disheartening for those at the bureau, but in the case of a tornado being spotted and reported (By JANE!!), I think that was pretty poor not to do anything about it. Perhaps to help, we need to apply some pressure on the media to support the issue of broadcasting warnings and advices? I did write an email to MMM after the tornado/STA warning (Geelong one) was never broadcast or even mentioned. They emailed me back some crap story how the manager was sure it had been mentioned, but he'd listen to the recording of the program at the time, and find out why. I'm sure he didn't do anything of the sort. Liam >From: "Andrew" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:35:44 +1000 > >Jimmy and all, > >The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well - >they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > >Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not issuing >a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an extremely >reliable, registered storm spotter. > >In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > >"SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the Bureau >of >Meteorology as one which produces: > >hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or >wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or >flash floods; or >tornadoes, or any combination of these." > >This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, in >my >opinion, warranting a warning. > >One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) at >the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in >the >space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no warning >was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado were >probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate the >roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s should >be given adequate warning. > >Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: >1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no >action is seemingly taken? >2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado tears >it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have >had >a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming anyone >of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > >Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter >reports and weather warnings. > >I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from >that >day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet not >much is showing up on radar. > >I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at >the >BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM find >themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should >the >unthinkable happen. > >Regards, > >Andrew McDonald > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:27 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > > > Let me rephrase the following e-mail (7:21am) > > > > Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute seems more realistic than the 9 >minutes > > previously stated based on the video stills. But as is suggested, the >video > > is clearer to view and provides the advantages of motion. I suppose it >also > > shows that it touched down and you can see the debri cloud or the >tornado > > making contact. As I said, it would be great to see the video during the > > ASWA Conference weekend. I hope it can be shown during the conference >itself. > > > > Have there been damage assessments done by the BoM as yet? Sorry but >nobody > > answered my question on this. If so, what intensity would it have ben >given? > > > > Great to see science at work here. > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 12:11 AM 8/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Clyve and Jane, > > > > > >Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the > > >video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, > > >the video is clearer. > > > > > >Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > > > >At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >>Hi all. > > >>I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this >tornado....and > > >>that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no >doubt > > >>about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, >considering > > >>that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not >very > > >>significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very > > >>interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to >weaken > > >>and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the >ground >in > > >>just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, > > >>congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in > > >>Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! >regards > > >>Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bussy > > >>To: > > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM > > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > >> > > >> > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > > >> > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Jane ONeill" > > >> > To: > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > > >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Jimmy, > > >> > > > > >> > > it was a tornado. > > >> > > > > >> > > Jane > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > >> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > >> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > ASWA - Victoria > > >> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > >> > > To: > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Paul, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to >really > > >> > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs >showing > > >>the > > >> > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and >assess >the > > >> > > damage > > >> > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to >whether >it > > >>was > > >> > a > > >> > > > tornado or not. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Good stuff. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > > > >> > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >> > > > >Hey All, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian >State > > >> > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website >shown >in > > >> > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual >mention >of > > >>MSC > > >> > or > > >> > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > >> > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, >and > > >> > quoted > > >> > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > >> > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the >images > > >>from > > >> > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > >> > > > >though. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > >> > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Paul Yole > > >> > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >> > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > >> > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the >body of > > >> > > your > > >> > > > > message. > > >> > > > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > >> > > > > > >> > > > from > > >> > > > Schofields, Sydney > > >> > > > NSW Australia > > >> > > > > > >> > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > >> > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > >> > > > > > >> > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > >> > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the >body >of > > >> > your > > >> > > > message. > > >> > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > >> > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >>to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body >of > > >>your > > >> > > message. > > >> > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body >of >your > > >> > message. > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > >> >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > >> message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >----------------------------------------- > > >Jimmy Deguara > > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > >from > > >Schofields, Sydney > > >NSW Australia > > > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > >message. > > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:01:45 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler Subject: aus-wx: FNMOC NWP weather maps X-X-Sender: robert at tornado.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all Does anyone know what's happened to the FNMOC NWP weather maps site: http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/wx.htm Nothing has been updated since August 1! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences PO Box 28M Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "NANDINA" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot vs Cold Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:09:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Heat v Cool Hot adj cold Yes? Cheers, Nandina ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussy To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:41 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot vs Cold Everyone knows that hot is faster than cold, as anyone can catch a cold.......... Sorry, had to put that in. :-) So what is the opposite to cold... heat or hot? I would say hot. I've heard of heating things but never colding things. As an object looses heat energy we refer to it as cooling. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: FNMOC NWP weather maps Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:27:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, all The site is still updating the charts they're just accessed from a different URL now - this page explains the change http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/ Clicking on the public access link towards the bottom of the page will take you to the new URL Cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: aus-wx: FNMOC NWP weather maps > > Hey all > > Does anyone know what's happened to the FNMOC NWP weather maps site: > > http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/wx.htm > > Nothing has been updated since August 1! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > PO Box 28M > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:06:47 -0700 Organization: www.canberra-wx.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2002 15:06:56.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C8A19D0:01C23EED] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes Andrew, i waited eagerly for an STW to be issued, but nothing. Perhaps the Warnings center had a golf day down there in Lovley Melbourne (j/k) they sure as hell wern't on the ball! Now, I am an Advocate of the BoM and What they do, and hopefully one day i will be working for them, but its times like these, that you can see why the public at large have such bad attitude toward them. Im POSTIVE that if jane hade reported a funnel over Melbourne's suburbs an STW would be issued within minutes. I wonder what the outcry would be if it had large hail in it, destroying Crops and killing livestock??? Cheers Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > Jimmy and all, > > The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well - > they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > > Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not issuing > a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an extremely > reliable, registered storm spotter. > > In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > > "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the Bureau of > Meteorology as one which produces: > > hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or > wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or > flash floods; or > tornadoes, or any combination of these." > > This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, in my > opinion, warranting a warning. > > One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) at > the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in the > space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no warning > was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado were > probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate the > roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s should > be given adequate warning. > > Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: > 1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no > action is seemingly taken? > 2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado tears > it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have had > a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming anyone > of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > > Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter > reports and weather warnings. > > I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from that > day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet not > much is showing up on radar. > > I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at the > BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM find > themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should the > unthinkable happen. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimmy Deguara > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > > > Let me rephrase the following e-mail (7:21am) > > > > Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute seems more realistic than the 9 > minutes > > previously stated based on the video stills. But as is suggested, the > video > > is clearer to view and provides the advantages of motion. I suppose it > also > > shows that it touched down and you can see the debri cloud or the tornado > > making contact. As I said, it would be great to see the video during the > > ASWA Conference weekend. I hope it can be shown during the conference > itself. > > > > Have there been damage assessments done by the BoM as yet? Sorry but > nobody > > answered my question on this. If so, what intensity would it have ben > given? > > > > Great to see science at work here. > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 12:11 AM 8/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Clyve and Jane, > > > > > >Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the > > >video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, > > >the video is clearer. > > > > > >Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > > > >At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >>Hi all. > > >>I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this tornado....and > > >>that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no > doubt > > >>about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, > considering > > >>that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not very > > >>significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very > > >>interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to > weaken > > >>and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the ground > in > > >>just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, > > >>congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in > > >>Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! > regards > > >>Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bussy > > >>To: > > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM > > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > >> > > >> > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > > >> > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Jane ONeill" > > >> > To: > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > > >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Jimmy, > > >> > > > > >> > > it was a tornado. > > >> > > > > >> > > Jane > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > >> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > >> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > ASWA - Victoria > > >> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > >> > > To: > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Paul, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to > really > > >> > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs > showing > > >>the > > >> > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and assess > the > > >> > > damage > > >> > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to whether > it > > >>was > > >> > a > > >> > > > tornado or not. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Good stuff. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > > > >> > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >> > > > >Hey All, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian State > > >> > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website shown > in > > >> > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual mention > of > > >>MSC > > >> > or > > >> > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > >> > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, > and > > >> > quoted > > >> > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > >> > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the > images > > >>from > > >> > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > >> > > > >though. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > >> > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Paul Yole > > >> > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >> > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > >> > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > body of > > >> > > your > > >> > > > > message. > > >> > > > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > >> > > > > > >> > > > from > > >> > > > Schofields, Sydney > > >> > > > NSW Australia > > >> > > > > > >> > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > >> > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > >> > > > > > >> > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > >> > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > >> > your > > >> > > > message. > > >> > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > >> > > > 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your > > >> message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >----------------------------------------- > > >Jimmy Deguara > > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > >from > > >Schofields, Sydney > > >NSW Australia > > > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > >message. > > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.221.137.155] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 19:27:21 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 09:27:22.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6E92FC0:01C23F86] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1 ('specially Jane!) Love the radar loop.... but guess what? The usual Victorian suspect area also seemed to have some grumpy ones happening at about the same time!!! Check out the Rochester, Kyabram and Nathalia regions at the same time! Wonder if anybody was any of those cells... Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:10:21 +1000 > >Morning all, > >An animation of the PPI from 1510 to 1710 is now available. Euroa is in >the >SW quadrant outside the 50km circle and is identified as EUR. > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/ppiloop.gif > >Many thanks to Kevin Parkyn for the images & Robert Goler for the >animation. > >Jane >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.221.137.155] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 19:35:58 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 09:35:58.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B00A580:01C23F88] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony et al... Good post and it begs a question that I've posited before here and on IRC... Are US tornadic or supercellular signatures necessarily appropriate for Australian conditions? We don't have (by anybody's definition) the topography that is even remotely similar to that of the US that generates tornadic thunderstorms. I'd be extremely surprised if you landed the entire US Weather Service here with Doppler radar and they issued any sort of warning for, say, the Fairy-Dell-Rochester tornado. My point is...we may well have quite unique supercellular storms (or multi-cell ones for that matter) and maybe we need to examine not the US history of tornadic signatures, but in hindsight the AUSTRALIAN history of tornadic storm signatures. My thoughts anyway. Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: Anthony Cornelius >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:15:58 +1000 > >Hi Macca and all, > >I was very surprised that not even an advice was issued! After I got >off the phone to Jane, I eagerly refreshed the warnings page many times >- but alas, nothing. I understand what John is saying though - that the >BoM have all of the tools there and which can *assist* them in their >duties of determining severity of storms. But when you get down to it, >what is more reliable? A computer program calculating an algorithm that >suggests a storm is severe/not severe, or a spotter on the ground >reporting a tornado? The spotter network (from my understanding) is for >confirmation of radar signatures and warnings, and also for when radar >doesn't show a severe storm as well as it should. I can think of a >multitude of examples when storms have been severe, and have been given >a surprised tone of "It doesn't look overly strong on radar." March 9, >2001 rings a bell here. If you look at the storms on radar (even 3D!), >they actually look relatively weak - not overly intense in precipitation >either. But this was an excellent case where radar was underestimating >the amount of precipitation. This was clearly evident by most of the >storms only suggesting 40-100mm/hr rain rates (something not uncommon to >Brisbane). The result? 200mm in 50 minutes was reported at Logan >City...and some of the worst flash floods in Brisbane's history. This >was an example where a spotter report was taken fairly lightly earlier >in the afternoon (ie, James Chambers reported in excess of 100mm in >under an hour), but a warning wasn't put out until much later than >that. This copped the BoM the title in the Courier Mail "The Bureau's >90 minutes of silence." > >What's my point here? Well - I can also understand from a Bureau >perspective how frustrating it must be when warnings are issued, but not >broadcasted by the media. My advice? Issue them anyway!!! It is >better for you to do your job properly, and let some one else cop the >flack rather than not doing your job properly, and copping the flack >yourself. > >With a tornado, I believe that at the very least an advice should have >been issued by the storm. I can't help but think because the storm did >not look overly spectacular on radar that that was part of the reason a >warning was not issued. Particularly when Jane was on the phone to the >Bureau as the tornado touched down! Does this mean the Bureau trusts >radar over spotters? (And not only that, a well known spotter - from my >understanding Jane knows a few of the forecasters in the Melbourne RFC. >Not to mention the entire Victorian Severe Weather Section!). I should >really hope not, as that is a bit of a motivation blow to those who are >spotters. Even for myself, who is a great advocate of the spotter >network! And from a storm spotter view only, I feel frustrated that a >fellow spotter's report was essentially ignored in this respect. I'll >always report though - that's just me. My question is, what about other >spotters out there who have just started and then find out that a report >of theirs was deemed inaccurate or incorrect? > >Some food for thought... > >AC > >Andrew wrote: > > > > Jimmy and all, > > > > The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well >- > > they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > > > > Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not >issuing > > a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an >extremely > > reliable, registered storm spotter. > > > > In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > > > > "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the >Bureau of > > Meteorology as one which produces: > > > > hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or > > wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or > > flash floods; or > > tornadoes, or any combination of these." > > > > This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, >in my > > opinion, warranting a warning. > > > > One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) >at > > the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in >the > > space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no >warning > > was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado >were > > probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate >the > > roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s >should > > be given adequate warning. > > > > Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: > > 1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no > > action is seemingly taken? > > 2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado >tears > > it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have >had > > a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming >anyone > > of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > > > > Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter > > reports and weather warnings. > > > > I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from >that > > day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet >not > > much is showing up on radar. > > > > I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at >the > > BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM >find > > themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should >the > > unthinkable happen. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew McDonald > > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: convection height Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:18:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Richard,
 
Some reading to give you an indepth look into atmospheric soundings, definitions, use of indices & the how-to's....
courtesy of Anthony Cornelius & Benn Quinn, and courtesy of NEMAS in the USA.
 
 
With convection height, are you talking about the term "LFC" (level of free convection) ?  which is expressed in hectopascals (or millibars) .... which is  "the LFC (level of free convection, above which the parcel is warmer than the environment, i.e., the parcel is  positively buoyant and will rise" from the glossary on http://www.nemas.net/edu/soundings.html.
 
Happy reading........this is just a start, and the thing to keep in mind is that soundings are a guide.......... over to you Anthony & Ben!!!
 
Jane

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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: aus-wx: convection height

just got onto the soundings in the aviation site, i gotta try and start getting some sort of handle on these thinge for the upcoming storm season, what does the chart referring to convection height refer to, is it cloudbase or maybe cloud top?
 
regards
richard modistach
From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:26:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com With regards to tornado's or severe storms. Who the hell would know when 90% of Australia is un-inhabited. Maybe tornado's touch down as regularly as they do elsewhere in the world and no-one sees them because, basically there's no one out there ! I often wonder what happens in the 90% of un-chartered waters, so to speak. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Phyland" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... > Hi Anthony et al... > > Good post and it begs a question that I've posited before here and on IRC... > > Are US tornadic or supercellular signatures necessarily appropriate for > Australian conditions? We don't have (by anybody's definition) the > topography that is even remotely similar to that of the US that generates > tornadic thunderstorms. I'd be extremely surprised if you landed the entire > US Weather Service here with Doppler radar and they issued any sort of > warning for, say, the Fairy-Dell-Rochester tornado. > > My point is...we may well have quite unique supercellular storms (or > multi-cell ones for that matter) and maybe we need to examine not the US > history of tornadic signatures, but in hindsight the AUSTRALIAN history of > tornadic storm signatures. > > My thoughts anyway. > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > >From: Anthony Cornelius > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:15:58 +1000 > > > >Hi Macca and all, > > > >I was very surprised that not even an advice was issued! After I got > >off the phone to Jane, I eagerly refreshed the warnings page many times > >- but alas, nothing. I understand what John is saying though - that the > >BoM have all of the tools there and which can *assist* them in their > >duties of determining severity of storms. But when you get down to it, > >what is more reliable? A computer program calculating an algorithm that > >suggests a storm is severe/not severe, or a spotter on the ground > >reporting a tornado? The spotter network (from my understanding) is for > >confirmation of radar signatures and warnings, and also for when radar > >doesn't show a severe storm as well as it should. I can think of a > >multitude of examples when storms have been severe, and have been given > >a surprised tone of "It doesn't look overly strong on radar." March 9, > >2001 rings a bell here. If you look at the storms on radar (even 3D!), > >they actually look relatively weak - not overly intense in precipitation > >either. But this was an excellent case where radar was underestimating > >the amount of precipitation. This was clearly evident by most of the > >storms only suggesting 40-100mm/hr rain rates (something not uncommon to > >Brisbane). The result? 200mm in 50 minutes was reported at Logan > >City...and some of the worst flash floods in Brisbane's history. This > >was an example where a spotter report was taken fairly lightly earlier > >in the afternoon (ie, James Chambers reported in excess of 100mm in > >under an hour), but a warning wasn't put out until much later than > >that. This copped the BoM the title in the Courier Mail "The Bureau's > >90 minutes of silence." > > > >What's my point here? Well - I can also understand from a Bureau > >perspective how frustrating it must be when warnings are issued, but not > >broadcasted by the media. My advice? Issue them anyway!!! It is > >better for you to do your job properly, and let some one else cop the > >flack rather than not doing your job properly, and copping the flack > >yourself. > > > >With a tornado, I believe that at the very least an advice should have > >been issued by the storm. I can't help but think because the storm did > >not look overly spectacular on radar that that was part of the reason a > >warning was not issued. Particularly when Jane was on the phone to the > >Bureau as the tornado touched down! Does this mean the Bureau trusts > >radar over spotters? (And not only that, a well known spotter - from my > >understanding Jane knows a few of the forecasters in the Melbourne RFC. > >Not to mention the entire Victorian Severe Weather Section!). I should > >really hope not, as that is a bit of a motivation blow to those who are > >spotters. Even for myself, who is a great advocate of the spotter > >network! And from a storm spotter view only, I feel frustrated that a > >fellow spotter's report was essentially ignored in this respect. I'll > >always report though - that's just me. My question is, what about other > >spotters out there who have just started and then find out that a report > >of theirs was deemed inaccurate or incorrect? > > > >Some food for thought... > > > >AC > > > >Andrew wrote: > > > > > > Jimmy and all, > > > > > > The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well > >- > > > they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > > > > > > Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not > >issuing > > > a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an > >extremely > > > reliable, registered storm spotter. > > > > > > In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > > > > > > "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the > >Bureau of > > > Meteorology as one which produces: > > > > > > hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or > > > wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or > > > flash floods; or > > > tornadoes, or any combination of these." > > > > > > This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, > >in my > > > opinion, warranting a warning. > > > > > > One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) > >at > > > the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in > >the > > > space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no > >warning > > > was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado > >were > > > probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate > >the > > > roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s > >should > > > be given adequate warning. > > > > > > Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: > > > 1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no > > > action is seemingly taken? > > > 2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado > >tears > > > it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have > >had > > > a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming > >anyone > > > of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > > > > > > Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter > > > reports and weather warnings. > > > > > > I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from > >that > > > day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet > >not > > > much is showing up on radar. > > > > > > I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at > >the > > > BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM > >find > > > themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should > >the > > > unthinkable happen. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Andrew McDonald > > > > > >-- > >Anthony Cornelius > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > >(07) 3390 4812 > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:41:48 -0700 Organization: www.canberra-wx.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2002 17:42:07.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA8CDDA0:01C23F02] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John, et all. Good point Re: BoM equipment, and that was something i thought about whilst writing the previous email. How ever they didn't issue any warning even on the back of reports from Victoria's premiere Storm Spotter/Chaser which i think is the main concern. Also I do recall a warning in the past that was based on the reports of waterspouts, i believe it was in QLD, but i can't remember the details...it could have even been the afternoon forecast, dunno, LOL. Anyways, i don't want to get into a debate re: the BoM, it is overly debated as is, and it needs changes throughout the whole company and we ALL realise this point. Cheers Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > Well folks, before we all climb on the bandwagon too much, lets keep in mind > that the BoM have access to tools such as 3d radar, undelayed lightning > tracker etc., and no doubt would be making their own estimation of storm > severity. I'm sure that if the thing looked like a tornadic supercell with > strong hail signatures, they would issue a warning. > > When it comes to coldies they are a bit tricky. They are short lived, weak, > and can be associated with relatively innocuous Cb's, e.g., would you expect > the BoM to issue a severe storm warning for a waterspout associated with a > modest Cu close to the coast, when there is no associated lightning activity > or radar signature worth noting? Yet such waterspouts have been known to > cause damage if they come ashore. > > I accept the argument that there is no point having a spotter network if it > is ignored, and perhaps a STW was indeed justified for this event (I havn't > seen the analysis). But I also think we have to assume that the BoM have > some credibility. > > Regards, > John. > > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Simon Angell > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:07 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > > Yes Andrew, i waited eagerly for an STW to be issued, but nothing. Perhaps > the Warnings center had a golf day down there in Lovley Melbourne (j/k) they > sure as hell wern't on the ball! > > Now, I am an Advocate of the BoM and What they do, and hopefully one day i > will be working for them, but its times like these, that you can see why the > public at large have such bad attitude toward them. Im POSTIVE that if jane > hade reported a funnel over Melbourne's suburbs an STW would be issued > within minutes. I wonder what the outcry would be if it had large hail in > it, destroying Crops and killing livestock??? > > Cheers > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:35 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > > > Jimmy and all, > > > > The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well - > > they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > > > > Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not > issuing > > a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an extremely > > reliable, registered storm spotter. > > > > In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > > > > "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the Bureau > of > > Meteorology as one which produces: > > > > hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or > > wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or > > flash floods; or > > tornadoes, or any combination of these." > > > > This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, in > my > > opinion, warranting a warning. > > > > One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) at > > the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in > the > > space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no warning > > was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado were > > probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate the > > roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s should > > be given adequate warning. > > > > Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: > > 1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no > > action is seemingly taken? > > 2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado tears > > it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have > had > > a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming > anyone > > of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > > > > Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter > > reports and weather warnings. > > > > I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from > that > > day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet not > > much is showing up on radar. > > > > I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at > the > > BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM > find > > themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should > the > > unthinkable happen. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew McDonald > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jimmy Deguara > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:27 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > > > > > > Let me rephrase the following e-mail (7:21am) > > > > > > Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute seems more realistic than the 9 > > minutes > > > previously stated based on the video stills. But as is suggested, the > > video > > > is clearer to view and provides the advantages of motion. I suppose it > > also > > > shows that it touched down and you can see the debri cloud or the > tornado > > > making contact. As I said, it would be great to see the video during the > > > ASWA Conference weekend. I hope it can be shown during the conference > > itself. > > > > > > Have there been damage assessments done by the BoM as yet? Sorry but > > nobody > > > answered my question on this. If so, what intensity would it have ben > > given? > > > > > > Great to see science at work here. > > > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 12:11 AM 8/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > >Hi Clyve and Jane, > > > > > > > >Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the > > > >video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, > > > >the video is clearer. > > > > > > > >Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? > > > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > >At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > >>Hi all. > > > >>I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this > tornado....and > > > >>that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no > > doubt > > > >>about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, > > considering > > > >>that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not > very > > > >>significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very > > > >>interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to > > weaken > > > >>and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the > ground > > in > > > >>just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, > > > >>congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in > > > >>Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! > > regards > > > >>Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>From: Bussy > > > >>To: > > > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM > > > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > > > >> > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: "Jane ONeill" > > > >> > To: > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > > > >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Jimmy, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > it was a tornado. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Jane > > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > > >> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > >> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > >> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASWA - Victoria > > > >> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > > >> > > To: > > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > > >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Hi Paul, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to > > really > > > >> > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs > > showing > > > >>the > > > >> > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and > assess > > the > > > >> > > damage > > > >> > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to > whether > > it > > > >>was > > > >> > a > > > >> > > > tornado or not. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Good stuff. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >> > > > >Hey All, > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian > State > > > >> > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website > shown > > in > > > >> > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual > mention > > of > > > >>MSC > > > >> > or > > > >> > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > > >> > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, > > and > > > >> > quoted > > > >> > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > > >> > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the > > images > > > >>from > > > >> > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > > >> > > > >though. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > > >> > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >Paul Yole > > > >> > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > >> > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > > >> > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > > body of > > > >> > > your > > > >> > > > > message. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >> > > > > > > >> > 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iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: convection height Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:47:42 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
thanks jane,
 
it's an uphill battle but i have to start somewhere.
time to go and do a bit of light reading. lol
 
regards
richard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: convection height

Richard,
 
Some reading to give you an indepth look into atmospheric soundings, definitions, use of indices & the how-to's....
courtesy of Anthony Cornelius & Benn Quinn, and courtesy of NEMAS in the USA.
 
 
With convection height, are you talking about the term "LFC" (level of free convection) ?  which is expressed in hectopascals (or millibars) .... which is  "the LFC (level of free convection, above which the parcel is warmer than the environment, i.e., the parcel is  positively buoyant and will rise" from the glossary on http://www.nemas.net/edu/soundings.html.
 
Happy reading........this is just a start, and the thing to keep in mind is that soundings are a guide.......... over to you Anthony & Ben!!!
 
Jane

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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: aus-wx: convection height

just got onto the soundings in the aviation site, i gotta try and start getting some sort of handle on these thinge for the upcoming storm season, what does the chart referring to convection height refer to, is it cloudbase or maybe cloud top?
 
regards
richard modistach
From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot vs Cold Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:10:19 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If, as some have stated, cold as a concept doesn't exist then its opposite doesn't either. Therefore there is no such thing as heat. If there is no such thing as heat, then, there being nothing to lose, an object can't lose heat energy, meaning things stay warm forever. And that would fit the scenario of cold not existing, as some claim.. So.. if things stay warm forever, then they always HAVE heat energy (yet which at the same time doesn't exist) and cannot lose it. If they cannot lose what doesn't exist, then they CAN lose what DOES exist, and we are told that an object can lose heat. If losing heat is cooling, then cooling exists. But we also know now that cooling does not exist. That proves that science is an ass and the quicker we burn those textbooks the better. Oh but I guess they won't burn... ----- Original Message ----- From: "NANDINA" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot vs Cold > Heat v Cool > Hot adj cold > Yes? > > Cheers, > > Nandina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bussy > To: > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:41 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot vs Cold > > > Everyone knows that hot is faster than cold, as anyone can catch a > cold.......... > Sorry, had to put that in. :-) > > So what is the opposite to cold... heat or hot? > I would say hot. I've heard of heating things but never colding things. > As an object looses heat energy we refer to it as cooling. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:03:23 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: Annual ASWA Conference - Last Chance! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Just a quick email to say that there are a few last tickets available for the ASWA conference, but be quick as our final submission of numbers for catering purposes will be sent on Monday, so we will need to know on Sunday night at the latest! The Annual ASWA Conference is the largest event in the calendar of ASWA, over 25% of people attending this conference will come from interstate just to let you know how much of an event this has been! The cost is $25 for members and $37 for non-members (who pay full price because ASWA subsidises $12/member). This includes entry to the conference, all presentations (including guest speaker Rob Webb, head of NSW BoM Severe Weather), dinner, afternoon tea and supper! For details, please see: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/agm2002.htm RSVP to aswaconference at hotmail.com -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:51:41 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: aus-wx: Temps at Eyre, WA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Quite Amazing temps at Eyre over the past few days. Which is near the coast in the SE of Western Australia. Yesterday (Friday 9th) they recorded a new August maximum temperature of 35C! (I believe it was 34.6C in tenths. This was only 2 days after they recorded their coldest ever August minimum temperature of -5C, what a range. It was quite warm through out the Eucla division yesterday, With Eucla Town recording 31C, Red Rocks Point 33C, Balgair 33C and Forrest 31C. Expect a lot colder temperatures there today, there is even talk of possible snow on the Stirling Rangers in the Southern Coastal district. Jacob +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:58:27 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Tropic of Capricorn crosses QLD just above Rockhampton, Emerald & Longreach. Just above Alice Springs in the NT & half way between Exmouth & Carnarvon on the WA coast. Mind u, I've been "across" the Tropic of Capricorn at Rockhampton but failed to see any dotted/dashed lines on the ground... :( Must have had my eyes closed or the line needs repainting! :o) Regs. Paul. (Stargazer) http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: DRY/WET SEASON > At 11:38 PM 7/08/2002 +0930, you wrote: > > >Basically the tropical boundary is the Tropic of Capricorn crossing > >Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia on the 26th > >latitude > > Umm, I thought it was 23.5 degrees (or wherever the tilt of the Earth's > axis is). Definitely less than 26. > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne sunset Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:55:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Just a few images from this evening's waves and sunset over Melbourne ....... http://www.stormchasers.au.com/10_08_02.htm Enjoy!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:29:18 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne sunset X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow, there's some special shots there. I reckon you're trying to get me to feel homesick, Jane! It's actually amazing to see photos proving the sun has already set in Melbourne, when the sun is still high in the sky on the same day here. I know the facts scientifically about time zones and all, but to see it illustrated so beautifully for me always comes almost as a shock. (Our time zone here is always the same as Perth, WA.) Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:55:14 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne sunset > Evening all, > > Just a few images from this evening's waves and sunset over Melbourne > ....... http://www.stormchasers.au.com/10_08_02.htm > > Enjoy!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:35:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Bussy Tornadoes would leave marks on the ground by the definition. I don't believe there are many tornadoes that are unreported because farmers, station owners and bush pilots are very observant people and there would be word out by now (200 odd years) if Australia had regular occurrences. Chas Strahan Tasmania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bussy" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... > With regards to tornado's or severe storms. Who the hell would know when 90% > of Australia is un-inhabited. Maybe tornado's touch down as regularly as > they do elsewhere in the world and no-one sees them because, basically > there's no one out there ! I often wonder what happens in the 90% of > un-chartered waters, so to speak. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Phyland" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:35 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... > > > > Hi Anthony et al... > > > > Good post and it begs a question that I've posited before here and on > IRC... > > > > Are US tornadic or supercellular signatures necessarily appropriate for > > Australian conditions? We don't have (by anybody's definition) the > > topography that is even remotely similar to that of the US that generates > > tornadic thunderstorms. I'd be extremely surprised if you landed the > entire > > US Weather Service here with Doppler radar and they issued any sort of > > warning for, say, the Fairy-Dell-Rochester tornado. > > > > My point is...we may well have quite unique supercellular storms (or > > multi-cell ones for that matter) and maybe we need to examine not the US > > history of tornadic signatures, but in hindsight the AUSTRALIAN history of > > tornadic storm signatures. > > > > My thoughts anyway. > > > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > >From: Anthony Cornelius > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:15:58 +1000 > > > > > >Hi Macca and all, > > > > > >I was very surprised that not even an advice was issued! After I got > > >off the phone to Jane, I eagerly refreshed the warnings page many times > > >- but alas, nothing. I understand what John is saying though - that the > > >BoM have all of the tools there and which can *assist* them in their > > >duties of determining severity of storms. But when you get down to it, > > >what is more reliable? A computer program calculating an algorithm that > > >suggests a storm is severe/not severe, or a spotter on the ground > > >reporting a tornado? The spotter network (from my understanding) is for > > >confirmation of radar signatures and warnings, and also for when radar > > >doesn't show a severe storm as well as it should. I can think of a > > >multitude of examples when storms have been severe, and have been given > > >a surprised tone of "It doesn't look overly strong on radar." March 9, > > >2001 rings a bell here. If you look at the storms on radar (even 3D!), > > >they actually look relatively weak - not overly intense in precipitation > > >either. But this was an excellent case where radar was underestimating > > >the amount of precipitation. This was clearly evident by most of the > > >storms only suggesting 40-100mm/hr rain rates (something not uncommon to > > >Brisbane). The result? 200mm in 50 minutes was reported at Logan > > >City...and some of the worst flash floods in Brisbane's history. This > > >was an example where a spotter report was taken fairly lightly earlier > > >in the afternoon (ie, James Chambers reported in excess of 100mm in > > >under an hour), but a warning wasn't put out until much later than > > >that. This copped the BoM the title in the Courier Mail "The Bureau's > > >90 minutes of silence." > > > > > >What's my point here? Well - I can also understand from a Bureau > > >perspective how frustrating it must be when warnings are issued, but not > > >broadcasted by the media. My advice? Issue them anyway!!! It is > > >better for you to do your job properly, and let some one else cop the > > >flack rather than not doing your job properly, and copping the flack > > >yourself. > > > > > >With a tornado, I believe that at the very least an advice should have > > >been issued by the storm. I can't help but think because the storm did > > >not look overly spectacular on radar that that was part of the reason a > > >warning was not issued. Particularly when Jane was on the phone to the > > >Bureau as the tornado touched down! Does this mean the Bureau trusts > > >radar over spotters? (And not only that, a well known spotter - from my > > >understanding Jane knows a few of the forecasters in the Melbourne RFC. > > >Not to mention the entire Victorian Severe Weather Section!). I should > > >really hope not, as that is a bit of a motivation blow to those who are > > >spotters. Even for myself, who is a great advocate of the spotter > > >network! And from a storm spotter view only, I feel frustrated that a > > >fellow spotter's report was essentially ignored in this respect. I'll > > >always report though - that's just me. My question is, what about other > > >spotters out there who have just started and then find out that a report > > >of theirs was deemed inaccurate or incorrect? > > > > > >Some food for thought... > > > > > >AC > > > > > >Andrew wrote: > > > > > > > > Jimmy and all, > > > > > > > > The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment > (well > > >- > > > > they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > > > > > > > > Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not > > >issuing > > > > a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an > > >extremely > > > > reliable, registered storm spotter. > > > > > > > > In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > > > > > > > > "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the > > >Bureau of > > > > Meteorology as one which produces: > > > > > > > > hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or > > > > wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or > > > > flash floods; or > > > > tornadoes, or any combination of these." > > > > > > > > This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, > > >in my > > > > opinion, warranting a warning. > > > > > > > > One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) > > >at > > > > the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado > in > > >the > > > > space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no > > >warning > > > > was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado > > >were > > > > probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate > > >the > > > > roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s > > >should > > > > be given adequate warning. > > > > > > > > Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: > > > > 1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no > > > > action is seemingly taken? > > > > 2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado > > >tears > > > > it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they > have > > >had > > > > a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming > > >anyone > > > > of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > > > > > > > > Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, > spotter > > > > reports and weather warnings. > > > > > > > > I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one > from > > >that > > > > day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet > > >not > > > > much is showing up on radar. > > > > > > > > I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and > at > > >the > > > > BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM > > >find > > > > themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action > should > > >the > > > > unthinkable happen. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Andrew McDonald > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Anthony Cornelius > > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > >(07) 3390 4812 > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "GAVIN O'BRIEN" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:24:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Totally agree.Warnings are not broadcast on TV no doubt due to the networking out of the Capital cities - no local input! yet they can do it in the US Why not here? ABC Radio when" local" do broadcast (here in Canberra) but ABC FM and JJJ FM can't -not local.With the Severe Weather Season coming up soon we need to pressure the media maybe the pollies too. Each year severe Wx costs $millions! Wanings cost much less. Gavin, Canberra SSWW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Domanski" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado I agree Andrew. I can understand the BoM getting frustrated about warnings and such too. I know of only a few radio stations (none of them commercial ones) that broadcast warnings. This must be disheartening for those at the bureau, but in the case of a tornado being spotted and reported (By JANE!!), I think that was pretty poor not to do anything about it. Perhaps to help, we need to apply some pressure on the media to support the issue of broadcasting warnings and advices? I did write an email to MMM after the tornado/STA warning (Geelong one) was never broadcast or even mentioned. They emailed me back some crap story how the manager was sure it had been mentioned, but he'd listen to the recording of the program at the time, and find out why. I'm sure he didn't do anything of the sort. Liam >From: "Andrew" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:35:44 +1000 > >Jimmy and all, > >The BoM didn't even issue an STA let alone do a damage assessment (well - >they may've done the later but they sure didn't do the former).... > >Note - You may see above my obvious disappointed at the BoM for not issuing >a warning when a tornado was sighted AND reported to them by an extremely >reliable, registered storm spotter. > >In the definition supplied by the BoM..... > >"SEVERE THUNDERSTORM - This type of thunderstorm is defined by the Bureau >of >Meteorology as one which produces: > >hail, diameter of 2 cm or more ($2 coin size); or >wind gusts of 90 km/h or greater; or >flash floods; or >tornadoes, or any combination of these." > >This storm produced a tornado, putting it in the severe category, and, in >my >opinion, warranting a warning. > >One must wonder what credibility some of the people (note - only some) at >the BoM give our spotter reports. I reported 7 funnels and 1 tornado in >the >space of 2 hours on a storm chase in N Vic in November 2000 yet no warning >was issued. Granted this tornado (and funnels) and the Euroa tornado were >probably relatively weak but even a weak tornado can casually relocate the >roof of your house and people living in the vicinity of the storm/s should >be given adequate warning. > >Two points are raised by the BoM not issuing a warning: >1. Are people going to stop reporting severe weather to the BoM if no >action is seemingly taken? >2. What happens to the people living in a small town when a tornado tears >it apart and the BoM haven't provided any warnings even though they have >had >a report of tornadic activity earlier in the day? (Does this reming anyone >of the happenings of April 14 1999?). > >Anyway - that's my 2 cents worth regarding the issue of the BoM, spotter >reports and weather warnings. > >I'd be happy to hear a forecasters perspective (the particular one from >that >day) as to what goes on when someone rings up to report a tornado yet not >much is showing up on radar. > >I hope this email generates some discussion both here on the list and at >the >BoM as I feel it is an issue which should be acted upon before the BoM find >themselves in serious trouble and potentially facing legal action should >the >unthinkable happen. > >Regards, > >Andrew McDonald > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:27 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado > > > > Let me rephrase the following e-mail (7:21am) > > > > Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute seems more realistic than the 9 >minutes > > previously stated based on the video stills. But as is suggested, the >video > > is clearer to view and provides the advantages of motion. I suppose it >also > > shows that it touched down and you can see the debri cloud or the >tornado > > making contact. As I said, it would be great to see the video during the > > ASWA Conference weekend. I hope it can be shown during the conference >itself. > > > > Have there been damage assessments done by the BoM as yet? Sorry but >nobody > > answered my question on this. If so, what intensity would it have ben >given? > > > > Great to see science at work here. > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 12:11 AM 8/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Clyve and Jane, > > > > > >Excellent stuff. I suppose 1 minute is more realistic considering the > > >video stills than the 9 minutes previously stated. But as is suggested, > > >the video is clearer. > > > > > >Have there been damage assessments done? What intensity? > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > > > >At 10:57 PM 7/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >>Hi all. > > >>I have just analysed the video of the Euroa tornado, this >tornado....and > > >>that's what it was.... was on the ground for at least one minute no >doubt > > >>about it! The video analysis shows a rather long lived event, >considering > > >>that it was developing under a multi cell of what appears to be not >very > > >>significant . At first the video shows a struggling funnel but very > > >>interesting, about five minutes into the sequence the funnel seems to >weaken > > >>and then reappear as a needle/pencil type funnel that reaches the >ground >in > > >>just a few seconds and remains below tree sight for about a minute, > > >>congratulations Jane, some of the footage is the best I have seen in > > >>Australia, come on everyone lets go out there and get some more!!! >regards > > >>Clyve Herbert. PS thanks for mailing the video to me Jane. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bussy > > >>To: > > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:30 PM > > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > >> > > >> > Agreed ! I was gunna say something but thought I better butt out. > > >> > Jane has filmed/seen a tornado. I'm more than convinced. > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Jane ONeill" > > >> > To: > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM > > >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Jimmy, > > >> > > > > >> > > it was a tornado. > > >> > > > > >> > > Jane > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > >> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > >> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > >> > > > > >> > > ASWA - Victoria > > >> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > -------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > >> > > To: > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 7:18 > > >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado on Win News!!!! > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Paul, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Funny you mention this but as I said on the forum for anyone to >really > > >> > > > comment, they have to view the video footage and photographs >showing > > >>the > > >> > > > debri cloud Perhaps another clue would be to find out and >assess >the > > >> > > damage > > >> > > > path. This will convince everyone including the BoM as to >whether >it > > >>was > > >> > a > > >> > > > tornado or not. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Good stuff. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > > > >> > > > At 09:32 AM 5/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >> > > > >Hey All, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Just seen on the Win News Late Edition, that our Victorian >State > > >> > > > >Representative for ASWA, Jane ONeill, had the MSC website >shown >in > > >> > > > >reference to the Euroa tornado the other day. No actual >mention >of > > >>MSC > > >> > or > > >> > > > >Jane, but the thing which I noticed and am a little > > >> > > > >annoyed at is that they called it a "funnel"...NOT a tornado, >and > > >> > quoted > > >> > > > >someone from the Bureau of Meteorology as saying it was a > > >> > > > >funnel!!! Sorry, I never caught the name. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >They also had an interview with one witness, and showed the >images > > >>from > > >> > > > >the Kyabram tornado damage last year. None from this event > > >> > > > >though. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >The images and reports can be found at > > >> > > > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Congratulations once again Jane. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Paul Yole > > >> > > > >State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >> > > > >EDD: 08/08/02 > > >> > > > >http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >"I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the >body of > > >> > > your > > >> > > > > message. > > >> > > > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > > >> > > > Jimmy Deguara > > >> > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > >> > > > > > >> > > > from > > >> > > > Schofields, Sydney > > >> > > > NSW Australia > > >> > > > > > >> > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > >> > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > >> > > > > > >> > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > >> > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the >body >of > > >> > your > > >> > > > message. > > >> > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >> > > > > >> > > 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> > >> message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >----------------------------------------- > > >Jimmy Deguara > > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > >from > > >Schofields, Sydney > > >NSW Australia > > > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > >message. > > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: aus-wx: Euroa tornado page update Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:23:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Have added the following information to the Euroa tornado page http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_08_02.htm 2 RHI scans: 1610 & 1620 MSLs: 1000 & 1600 Satellite imagery: - vic visible - 1230 & 1430 - vic infrared - 1230, 1430, 1530, 1830 Still lots more to come (soundings, upper winds, upper analysis charts, maps). Thanks to Kevin Parkyn & Robert Goler for collecting the information for me, & to Troy Spencer & Greg Hughes in Euroa for collecting local information (which I will add soon). Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [198.142.228.43] From: "Karl Lijnders" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne sunset Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:09:04 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2002 14:09:04.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BE953D0:01C24077] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It was an amazing sunset Jane, Great shots. I was walking the dog at the time and I thought I better just stop and watch it change for about 5 minutes. Was one of the best sunsets this year. Read glow in the far W/NW sky lasted quite a while. Karl >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "Aussie-wx" >Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne sunset >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:55:14 +1000 > >Evening all, > >Just a few images from this evening's waves and sunset over Melbourne >....... http://www.stormchasers.au.com/10_08_02.htm > >Enjoy!! > >Jane > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Fearby" To: Subject: aus-wx: On average when is the last heavy (-2c) FROST of the Winter? Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:11:38 +1000 Organization: Fearby.com Software X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: High Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Hello
 
I live in Tamworth NSW (northern NSW thunderstorm belt) and I am wondering what is the average date when is the last heavy (-2c) FROST of the winter will be?
 
Is there an archive on the BOM site ( http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN65092/IDN65092.95762.shtml ) or on the net that allows you to get more than that last 72 hrs or weather in your region?
 
Simon
 
 
 
 
From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: AUS SAT PIC Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:33:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello All:
      Tonight (August 11th), I saw something on The Weather Channel that I'd never seen before--a real animated Satpic of Australia! Well, it's about time. HOORAY! I'd like to see them spend a little more time and show a 24-hour Sat loop, or if the weather is really active, a 1 week Sat loop. I am very happy now.
Hope everyone's week is Spectacular!
David Powell
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:50:59 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler Subject: Re: aus-wx: AUS SAT PIC X-X-Sender: robert at tornado.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > I'd like to see them spend a little more time > and show a 24-hour Sat loop, or if the weather is really active, a 1 > week Sat loop. I am very happy now. Well, this loop: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/jcuaus_loop.html animates the last 26 enhanced IR images (past 4 days) of Australia, from the JCU archive. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences PO Box 28M Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: AUS SAT PIC Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:26:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com THANK YOU, Mr. Goler. Sat pics are my favorite kind of "eye candy". Could you please give me some history/background on Monash University? How did it get its name? Thanks again and have an AWESOME week! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:50 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: AUS SAT PIC > > > I'd like to see them spend a little more time > > and show a 24-hour Sat loop, or if the weather is really active, a 1 > > week Sat loop. I am very happy now. > > Well, this loop: > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/jcuaus_loop.html > > animates the last 26 enhanced IR images (past 4 days) of Australia, from > the JCU archive. > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > PO Box 28M > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Like Spring Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:28:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I punched in a 20.6C here at 12.33pm after a low of 5.3 at 6.30 this morning. And a windy day at 41.8kmh (NW) at 1.06pm today. I'm not up with my averages etc here but I'd say it was a lot warmer than it should be! Also noticed a few isolated dragonflies about.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Off topic but Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:38:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I'm way off topic here but just need some info on ADSL. As far as I know you must be close to and exchange or it doesn't work?
It works through your existing phone line but allows you to stay on-line in-definitely and you can still use your phone as normal.
One day I want to put my weather station on-line and this would be the bees knees.
Any help..................
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:45:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I'm trying not to be sceptical here but Yarrawonga radar is showing that its raining here at 1845. Maybe it needs a little tuning.
It's cloudy here, but hight cloud, doesn't even look like rain.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Squall line perhaps? Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:51:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Squall line developing west of Melbourne at present perhaps?
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Jason Beer" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off topic but Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:11:53 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello Bussy,
 
yes ASDL does not work or not that well if you are not within 2kms? of the exchange.
Be careful I have read lately that Telstra were spliting the normal phone connection and selling it as ASDL. But this is not giving correct bandwidth.
 
Check with Telstra regarding distance and if they split your existing line. However they have been known to give incorrect info(lie???).
 
Your other statements are correct.
 
I have Cable at home. Permanenetly connected $40 a month. However I am in Sweden. Check Optus and/or Foxtel. Internet cable into your house was why they rolled out all those ugly cables throughout OZ it had nothing to do with TV channels. Satellitte would have been the sensible choice for a country as big as OZ for TV. It works extremely well here in Europe. But they didn´t know Internet would be possible through that medium then.
 
I think Chello are in OZ. I had very good service with them in Sweden. Again for $40 a month.
 
cheers
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:39 AM
To: aussie-weather
Subject: aus-wx: Off topic but

I'm way off topic here but just need some info on ADSL. As far as I know you must be close to and exchange or it doesn't work?
It works through your existing phone line but allows you to stay on-line in-definitely and you can still use your phone as normal.
One day I want to put my weather station on-line and this would be the bees knees.
Any help..................
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Les Crossan" To: , Subject: aus-wx: For SDS Sufferers Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:29:52 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Everybody -
 
The UK has been getting its fair share of action lately those who can suggest you have a look at uk.sci.weather or mailgate.org.uk or google groups for words that I know you like to see!
 
 
Les
 

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From: "Shane Williams" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off topic but Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:41:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi Jason, Unfortunately Chello finished here in OZ in January.  It was the best broadband service I had ever had since cable in Brisbane.  $ 57.95 for Chello was a good deal. 

 

Cheers Shane.

 

 

Now its back to watching the skies.  J

 

Shane Williams

Gold Coast, Queensland

 

-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Jason Beer
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:12 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off topic but

 

Hello Bussy,

 

yes ASDL does not work or not that well if you are not within 2kms? of the exchange.

Be careful I have read lately that Telstra were spliting the normal phone connection and selling it as ASDL. But this is not giving correct bandwidth.

 

Check with Telstra regarding distance and if they split your existing line. However they have been known to give incorrect info(lie???).

 

Your other statements are correct.

 

I have Cable at home. Permanenetly connected $40 a month. However I am in Sweden. Check Optus and/or Foxtel. Internet cable into your house was why they rolled out all those ugly cables throughout OZ it had nothing to do with TV channels. Satellitte would have been the sensible choice for a country as big as OZ for TV. It works extremely well here in Europe. But they didn´t know Internet would be possible through that medium then.

 

I think Chello are in OZ. I had very good service with them in Sweden. Again for $40 a month.

 

cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussy
Sent:
Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:39 AM
To: aussie-weather
Subject: aus-wx: Off topic but

I'm way off topic here but just need some info on ADSL. As far as I know you must be close to and exchange or it doesn't work?

It works through your existing phone line but allows you to stay on-line in-definitely and you can still use your phone as normal.

One day I want to put my weather station on-line and this would be the bees knees.

Any help..................

 

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:55:00 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
your lucky bussy, mt gambier radar doesnt need tuning , it needs replacing.
 
regards
richard,
naracoorte
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

I'm trying not to be sceptical here but Yarrawonga radar is showing that its raining here at 1845. Maybe it needs a little tuning.
It's cloudy here, but hight cloud, doesn't even look like rain.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off topic but Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:55:02 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
jason, country towns in aus. are on austar sattelite exept w.a. i'm not sure what they've got, but it beats the hell out of that ugly crap they shoved in the cities. why they gave sat. to country towns and not the cities beats the daylights out of me but it gives creedence to your explanation. large companies and govt. lying through their teeth with blatent disregard for the average person to get what they want, so what else is new.
 
regards
richard,
naracoorte,s.a.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Beer
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off topic but

Hello Bussy,
 
yes ASDL does not work or not that well if you are not within 2kms? of the exchange.
Be careful I have read lately that Telstra were spliting the normal phone connection and selling it as ASDL. But this is not giving correct bandwidth.
 
Check with Telstra regarding distance and if they split your existing line. However they have been known to give incorrect info(lie???).
 
Your other statements are correct.
 
I have Cable at home. Permanenetly connected $40 a month. However I am in Sweden. Check Optus and/or Foxtel. Internet cable into your house was why they rolled out all those ugly cables throughout OZ it had nothing to do with TV channels. Satellitte would have been the sensible choice for a country as big as OZ for TV. It works extremely well here in Europe. But they didn´t know Internet would be possible through that medium then.
 
I think Chello are in OZ. I had very good service with them in Sweden. Again for $40 a month.
 
cheers
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:39 AM
To: aussie-weather
Subject: aus-wx: Off topic but

I'm way off topic here but just need some info on ADSL. As far as I know you must be close to and exchange or it doesn't work?
It works through your existing phone line but allows you to stay on-line in-definitely and you can still use your phone as normal.
One day I want to put my weather station on-line and this would be the bees knees.
Any help..................
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:54:30 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off topic but X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ASDL is a "last mile by copper" technology that requires some form of high-bandwidth carrier such as fibre-optic trunk cables or whatever to within 1.6 km of the end point. Here in HK, as millions of people are not that close to an exchange, they ran broadband cables to distribution points in every estate or every village. From there they send the signal through your normal copper phone line, but at a totally different frequency so that it doesn't interfere with your phone. In Oz, for it to really work satisfactorily, unless you are less than 1.6 km from your local exchange, then a broadband cable would have to be laid out from the exchange towards your place. I suppose the broadband would still be much faster than a dial-up modem connection over longer lengths of copper, but I should imagine the performance would be very much below normal broadband. If cable TV has been laid in your area, those cables will work just as well. Here in HK I used to have a broadband connection using my telephone line from the distribution point about 150 metres away. It was blisteringly fast, but very expensive. More recently I swapped to getting broadband through the Cable TV system which means 24 hours per day, seven days per week connection, it's noticeably slower, but much cheaper at HK$187 (about AUD$43) per month. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:38:32 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Off topic but > I'm way off topic here but just need some info on ADSL. As far as I > know you must be close to and exchange or it doesn't work? > It works through your existing phone line but allows you to stay > on-line in-definitely and you can still use your phone as normal. > One day I want to put my weather station on-line and this would be the > bees knees. > Any help.................. > > Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:26:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

I'm trying not to be sceptical here but Yarrawonga radar is showing that its raining here at 1845. Maybe it needs a little tuning.
It's cloudy here, but hight cloud, doesn't even look like rain.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:09:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2002 16:09:43.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[8125CDD0:01C24151] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
It has been said on here a few weeks back that Y'Wonga clearly shows up Virga and is Suppose to be getting recalibrated, dunno when tho.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

I'm trying not to be sceptical here but Yarrawonga radar is showing that its raining here at 1845. Maybe it needs a little tuning.
It's cloudy here, but hight cloud, doesn't even look like rain.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off topic but Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:32:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2002 16:32:55.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEABE5B0:01C24154] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
ADSL in AU is set at a 5km distance AND you meet the line speed tests of 1.5mbps, there are quite a few ADSL enabled ISP's how ever most of these are resold telsra products, some are actually sold alongside telstra's but not actually using testra equipment (except for the lines). The 1.5mbs and 5km limits are a cop out, ADSL technology works fine out to 12kms but speed is the thing, test show on good quaility lines and 12kms a maximum of 128kbps service can be obtained, 8kms is around 256kbps but it does vary on line quality. another thing to remember you can live within the 5km limit but the actual line length to your residences can be twice as far.
 
have a look here, http://www.whirlpool.net.au/ these guys are working hard to get broadband more accessable, infact they have sucessfully lobbied telstra to "review" its line speed tests from 1.5Mbps to the requested service speed.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:38 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off topic but

I'm way off topic here but just need some info on ADSL. As far as I know you must be close to and exchange or it doesn't work?
It works through your existing phone line but allows you to stay on-line in-definitely and you can still use your phone as normal.
One day I want to put my weather station on-line and this would be the bees knees.
Any help..................
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:58:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Sorry. I missed that message :-)
 
 
It has been said on here a few weeks back that Y'Wonga clearly shows up Virga and is Suppose to be getting recalibrated, dunno when tho.
 
Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought
From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Low level snow Victoria. Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:53:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2002 23:55:01.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[81845800:01C24192] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all snow bunnies.
Snow has been falling down to 400m over the southwest of Victoria this morning, snow has also been reported from Bambra in the Otway range elevation about 320m. There is a small cold pool vorticity area over the south west of the state, the thermal trough looks to be very cold and appears it will pass across the central region of  Victoria around midday, with a bit of luck some of this cold air may get into Blue mountains tonight and Tuesday, looks good in Tasmania too....regards Clyve Herbert.
From: David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: sleet/snow - Oberon To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:02:14 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CENTRAL01/Servers/Country Energy(Release 5.07a |May 14, 2001) at 12/08/2002 10:00:34 AM Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Just been advised from Oberon office, that snow/sleet falling in the Oberon area.. Also hail reported around Yetholme area earlier this morning.. Is currently raining in Bathurst and some very cold winds as well. Shall keep updates coming during day. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Country Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:12:18 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Last I heard from the Bureau is that it is calibrated correctly.Level 1 is 6dbZ to 28dbZ which is quite a large range and explains why so much is appears in level 1. Yarrawonga is more sensitive than others due to the larger dish size.
 
 
Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
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From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Simon Angell
Sent: Monday, 12 August 2002 2:09 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

It has been said on here a few weeks back that Y'Wonga clearly shows up Virga and is Suppose to be getting recalibrated, dunno when tho.
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Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought.
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From: Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

I'm trying not to be sceptical here but Yarrawonga radar is showing that its raining here at 1845. Maybe it needs a little tuning.
It's cloudy here, but hight cloud, doesn't even look like rain.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:16:59 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hello Bussy > > Tornadoes would leave marks on the ground by the definition. I don't believe > there are many tornadoes that are unreported > because farmers, station owners and bush pilots are very observant people > and there would be word out by now (200 odd years) if Australia had regular > occurrences. > > Chas > Strahan Tasmania A stat I've posted before and will again: the only systematic study of reported tornado frequency in Australia, over a 10-year period between about 1958-1967, found that, in all cases, the grid boxes which included the major cities (where one would expect near 100% reporting) had about 10 times the reported frequency of the grid boxes surrounding them. This suggests pretty strongly that, at that time, approximately 90% of tornadoes in rural areas were unreported. I would expect the proportion to have dropped somewhat since 1967, because of greater awareness (and, in recent years, the fact that people are actively chasing), but I would expect it is still a long way above zero. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aus Wx" Subject: aus-wx: SE Australian cold pool Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:47:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, Nice cold pool crossing the coast near Mt Gambier this morning and there has already been some low level glaciation near Melbourne. The day looks to get more interesting with a drop in the 500hPa temperature from -25C to -34C between last night & this morning. Mt Gambier's 500hPa temperature dropped from -20C to -33.5C in the 24hours between yesterday morning & this morning!!!!! (a change of this magnitude made me check twice to make sure I was reading the skew-t correctly! - might be a bit unstable today! - ) http://www.bom.gov.au/products/reg/IDS65024/IDS65024.shtml username: bomw0007 password: aviation Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:19:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Chas, And from me also, something I have posted before, and extending on Blair's comment, which basically is that only tornadoes in populated areas get reported. The vast majority of tornadoes are relatively weak affairs, and that applies worldwide. While I am not aware of any study as such, it seems to me that for every step of the F scale, F0..F5, there are approx ten times as many tornadoes at each lower level, thus for every F3, there are 10 x F2, 100 x F1, etc. Given that F0 and F1 tornadoes barely rate a mention, other than brief comments in the media such as 'mini-tornado', 'freak storm', 'violent storm', etc., it is not surprising that we have no idea how many real tornadoes do occur in this country. What we do know, is that for the 2500 sq km box covering each of Brisbane, Sydney, Melboune & Perth capitals, the number of tornadoes per year, albeit mostly very weak (i.e., F0/F1), is actually surprisingly constant and conservatively around 2 per yr (some might suggest a higher figure than this :). Given the widespread geographical nature of these locations, it would seem reasonable to expect a fairly similar density across the entire southern half of Australia below the tropics. Assuming an approximate 3 million sq km, this yields a quite staggering number of 2,400 tornadoes per year. As a rough check on this, if we take the Bucca and Buladelah events as 2 representative known F4 tornadoes over a 20 year period, and apply the 10x rule suggested above, we get a figure of 1,100 F0/F1 tornadoes per year. This agrees fairly well and allows for at least 2 other F4 events which went unreported. Obviously there is a large amount of guess work in this email, but it is sure worth pondering. Regards, John W. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Blair Trewin Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:17 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... > > Hello Bussy > > Tornadoes would leave marks on the ground by the definition. I don't believe > there are many tornadoes that are unreported > because farmers, station owners and bush pilots are very observant people > and there would be word out by now (200 odd years) if Australia had regular > occurrences. > > Chas > Strahan Tasmania A stat I've posted before and will again: the only systematic study of reported tornado frequency in Australia, over a 10-year period between about 1958-1967, found that, in all cases, the grid boxes which included the major cities (where one would expect near 100% reporting) had about 10 times the reported frequency of the grid boxes surrounding them. This suggests pretty strongly that, at that time, approximately 90% of tornadoes in rural areas were unreported. I would expect the proportion to have dropped somewhat since 1967, because of greater awareness (and, in recent years, the fact that people are actively chasing), but I would expect it is still a long way above zero. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Large willy willy at Mt. Crosby Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:19:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Very large diameter willy willy passed through Mt. Crosby at about 2:00pm yesterday. Area of strongest winds was about 80m in diameter, with inflow winds in excess of 60km/hr, accompanied by a small area of high based turbulent Cu wisps. Conditions were 0/8 sunny and calm before the sudden onset of the event and only lightly breezy after. Essentially this occured shortly before the sea breeze moved in. Made a huge mess of my freshly swept driveway by relocating a large amount of leaves/mulch. After it passed you could hear the wind roaring in the trees gradually die away into the distance as it moved away to the West. John. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: Blue Mountains snow Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:13:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Rain turned to sleet at Katoomba around 11.30am, and sleet mixed with periods of snow is now (midday) falling at Blackheath. The Bureau has at last put "Some light snowfalls or sleet likely on the higher grounds" into their midday Central Tablelands forecast, but nothing for the rest of the week. I cannot understand their rationale, as it seems at odds with all the model guidance I've seen. The GASP for later in the week bears an uncanny resemblance to the 17/18 July 1965 situation which gave the Blue Mountains 2 feet of snow -- a good SE stream with thicknesses around 536 and 700 temps around -10. Temp in the screen at Blackheath at midday 2.5. Mt Boyce AWS is now back on air. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: snow in Katoomba To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:15:00 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CENTRAL01/Servers/Country Energy(Release 5.07a |May 14, 2001) at 12/08/2002 12:09:17 PM Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just been advised by SMS from Lindsay, snowing in Katoomba now. Also snowing still in Oberon, had stopped for a short time. Dave http://www.weatherzone.com.au/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000023 View this topic. ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Country Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:29:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Bussy, Chas, John & all, It appears that the only person who reported the Euroa tornado seems to have been me. What about the 6 people riding past on horses who saw what I was videoing & didn't stop to look? What about the eyewitnesses that I have unearthed with the help of a couple of locals? What about the people driving up the Freeway between me & it. I hadn't been proactive in this matter, maybe no-one would have known about this one either...... Why is it that since the aussie-wx list was created & ASWA got underway, the number of tornado & significant funnel sightings being reported to the BoM has 'gone through the roof' (as in Victoria during the past few years - I suspect the same thing happens in the other states)??? Is it because there are now more people who are more aware out there looking and photographing - and actually reporting?? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi Chas, > > And from me also, something I have posted before, and extending on Blair's > comment, which basically is that only tornadoes in populated areas get > reported. The vast majority of tornadoes are relatively weak affairs, and > that applies worldwide. While I am not aware of any study as such, it seems > to me that for every step of the F scale, F0..F5, there are approx ten times > as many tornadoes at each lower level, thus for every F3, there are 10 x F2, > 100 x F1, etc. Given that F0 and F1 tornadoes barely rate a mention, other > than brief comments in the media such as 'mini-tornado', 'freak storm', > 'violent storm', etc., it is not surprising that we have no idea how many > real tornadoes do occur in this country. > > What we do know, is that for the 2500 sq km box covering each of Brisbane, > Sydney, Melboune & Perth capitals, the number of tornadoes per year, albeit > mostly very weak (i.e., F0/F1), is actually surprisingly constant and > conservatively around 2 per yr (some might suggest a higher figure than this > :). Given the widespread geographical nature of these locations, it would > seem reasonable to expect a fairly similar density across the entire > southern half of Australia below the tropics. Assuming an approximate 3 > million sq km, this yields a quite staggering number of 2,400 tornadoes per > year. > > As a rough check on this, if we take the Bucca and Buladelah events as 2 > representative known F4 tornadoes over a 20 year period, and apply the 10x > rule suggested above, we get a figure of 1,100 F0/F1 tornadoes per year. > This agrees fairly well and allows for at least 2 other F4 events which went > unreported. > > Obviously there is a large amount of guess work in this email, but it is > sure worth pondering. > > Regards, > John W. > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Blair Trewin > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:17 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... > > > > > > Hello Bussy > > > > Tornadoes would leave marks on the ground by the definition. I don't > believe > > there are many tornadoes that are unreported > > because farmers, station owners and bush pilots are very observant people > > and there would be word out by now (200 odd years) if Australia had > regular > > occurrences. > > > > Chas > > Strahan Tasmania > > A stat I've posted before and will again: the only systematic study > of reported tornado frequency in Australia, over a 10-year period > between about 1958-1967, found that, in all cases, the grid boxes > which included the major cities (where one would expect near 100% > reporting) had about 10 times the reported frequency of the grid > boxes surrounding them. > > This suggests pretty strongly that, at that time, approximately 90% > of tornadoes in rural areas were unreported. I would expect the > proportion to have dropped somewhat since 1967, because of greater > awareness (and, in recent years, the fact that people are actively > chasing), but I would expect it is still a long way above zero. > > Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:42:13 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Any more details on the radar Mark, ie, cost, model, frequency, prf, dish size, gain, beam width, etc ................ ? Also, what is the site elevation ? PC +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:42:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 02:44:39.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[343C7BA0:01C241AA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John. Your calculations are on the right track....regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Woodbridge To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... > Hi Chas, > > And from me also, something I have posted before, and extending on Blair's > comment, which basically is that only tornadoes in populated areas get > reported. The vast majority of tornadoes are relatively weak affairs, and > that applies worldwide. While I am not aware of any study as such, it seems > to me that for every step of the F scale, F0..F5, there are approx ten times > as many tornadoes at each lower level, thus for every F3, there are 10 x F2, > 100 x F1, etc. Given that F0 and F1 tornadoes barely rate a mention, other > than brief comments in the media such as 'mini-tornado', 'freak storm', > 'violent storm', etc., it is not surprising that we have no idea how many > real tornadoes do occur in this country. > > What we do know, is that for the 2500 sq km box covering each of Brisbane, > Sydney, Melboune & Perth capitals, the number of tornadoes per year, albeit > mostly very weak (i.e., F0/F1), is actually surprisingly constant and > conservatively around 2 per yr (some might suggest a higher figure than this > :). Given the widespread geographical nature of these locations, it would > seem reasonable to expect a fairly similar density across the entire > southern half of Australia below the tropics. Assuming an approximate 3 > million sq km, this yields a quite staggering number of 2,400 tornadoes per > year. > > As a rough check on this, if we take the Bucca and Buladelah events as 2 > representative known F4 tornadoes over a 20 year period, and apply the 10x > rule suggested above, we get a figure of 1,100 F0/F1 tornadoes per year. > This agrees fairly well and allows for at least 2 other F4 events which went > unreported. > > Obviously there is a large amount of guess work in this email, but it is > sure worth pondering. > > Regards, > John W. > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Blair Trewin > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:17 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... > > > > > > Hello Bussy > > > > Tornadoes would leave marks on the ground by the definition. I don't > believe > > there are many tornadoes that are unreported > > because farmers, station owners and bush pilots are very observant people > > and there would be word out by now (200 odd years) if Australia had > regular > > occurrences. > > > > Chas > > Strahan Tasmania > > A stat I've posted before and will again: the only systematic study > of reported tornado frequency in Australia, over a 10-year period > between about 1958-1967, found that, in all cases, the grid boxes > which included the major cities (where one would expect near 100% > reporting) had about 10 times the reported frequency of the grid > boxes surrounding them. > > This suggests pretty strongly that, at that time, approximately 90% > of tornadoes in rural areas were unreported. I would expect the > proportion to have dropped somewhat since 1967, because of greater > awareness (and, in recent years, the fact that people are actively > chasing), but I would expect it is still a long way above zero. > > Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002-07-24 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:57:17 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Perhaps Jane, but perhaps not as well. What about all those people you mentioned, they saw what you saw, but they did not ring the BoM or the media either. So, what is the level of "consciousness of significant weather events" in the population as a whole ? Apparently quite low if this case is anything to go by. People may "see" but do they report ? The posts above re sightings in the dense population areas versus country areas is interesting. Let's assume that only 1 in 100 people who saw a "T" would "actually" take steps to report it. If only 100 people see an event, you have a 1% chance it will be reported. If 10,000 people in a city area see it, you have a near 100% chance it will be reported. If it occurs in the bush therefore, the number of potential observers in any given geographical area is so low that the probability of any of them even observing the event is low, and even if someone did, the probability of that observer reporting is low. Then there is the point that these are low level events altitude wise, so "eye sight wise" there is a limited "observable range" for a person on the ground, not to mention topography and trees etc further limiting line of sight etc. No matter how you look at it, in sparsely populated areas the probability of detection by anyone is very low, let alone the probability of reporting even if observed. Compound two lows and you get very little likelihood of a report. It makes you wonder how many there really are occurring and going unreported. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.137.90.3] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: A Wild Drive home Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 03:16:43 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 03:16:43.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF0E7370:01C241AE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all Well Yesterday evening was well a interesting one. I had a big weekend in Colac celabrating my cousin's 21st, and the drive home well was hmmm fun?! From colac to ballarat there was Cbs everywhere! The best one was to the south of Colac on the otways, it even had an overshoot! Unfortunatally I didn't get any pics because I had mum on board. But nearing Ballarat a awesome Cb unloaded itself! A massive CG blinded me for a sec and then almost home Wham! A microburst of hail betweeen 5mm and 12mm slammed into the car and the road well turned into a skating ring! A car that was in front of me had a trailer and span wildly out of control but luckly hit nothing, and that was only doing 60km/h! So got home pretty excitied the storm going off with a few CGs and then as if the fuse had been pulled nothing went quiet, no static on the radio and the wind dropped to zero, yup just as I was about to go and have a patrol. Anyway hope to see most of you at the big meeting in sydney, should be great cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:56:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Does anyone have any further comments in regard to this article please ?

Love
Sha
 

Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze'

By Paul Daley
London

August 12 2002  http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/08/11/1028158046639.html


A three-kilometre-deep noxious cloud of pollution floating above South Asia could irreversibly affect agricultural production and permanently change weather patterns, a United Nations report claims.

Scientists working for the UN Environment Program have found that the "Asian brown haze" has the potential to threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

The program, which has released the results of a preliminary study into the cloud, says the haze - made up of acids, ash aerosols and other particles - is already triggering droughts and could cause "several hundreds of thousands" of deaths from respiratory illnesses.

Although the study does not focus specifically on Australia, its findings indicate that the El Nino weather phenomenon could become more pronounced.

The program's executive director, Klaus Toepfer, said: "The haze is the result of forest fires, the burning of agricultural wastes, dramatic increases in the burning of fossil fuels in vehicles, industries and power stations and emissions from millions of inefficient cokers burning wood, cow dung and other bio fuels.

"There are also global implications, not least because a pollution parcel like this, which stretches three kilometres high, can travel halfway round the globe in a week."


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From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:23:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I haven't seen the paper (or even the media release) it's based on so I don't feel in a position to comment further (SBS wanted me to do an interview about it but I only know what I've read in the papers, told them so and bounced them to CSIRO). I'll post a follow-up if I get any further background info. Blair > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C24208.09A253C0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Does anyone have any further comments in regard to this article please ? > > Love > Sha > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= > ------- > Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' > By Paul Daley > London > August 12 2002 = > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/08/11/1028158046639.html > > > > > > A three-kilometre-deep noxious cloud of pollution floating above South = > Asia could irreversibly affect agricultural production and permanently = > change weather patterns, a United Nations report claims. > > Scientists working for the UN Environment Program have found that the = > "Asian brown haze" has the potential to threaten the lives of hundreds = > of thousands of people.=20 > > The program, which has released the results of a preliminary study into = > the cloud, says the haze - made up of acids, ash aerosols and other = > particles - is already triggering droughts and could cause "several = > hundreds of thousands" of deaths from respiratory illnesses.=20 > > Although the study does not focus specifically on Australia, its = > findings indicate that the El Nino weather phenomenon could become more = > pronounced.=20 > > The program's executive director, Klaus Toepfer, said: "The haze is the = > result of forest fires, the burning of agricultural wastes, dramatic = > increases in the burning of fossil fuels in vehicles, industries and = > power stations and emissions from millions of inefficient cokers burning = > wood, cow dung and other bio fuels. > > > "There are also global implications, not least because a pollution = > parcel like this, which stretches three kilometres high, can travel = > halfway round the globe in a week." > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 > > > ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C24208.09A253C0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C24208.09A253C0-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:51:30 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think it's more scaremongering rubbish. The scientists are getting a bit desperate. Most top climatologists in the US still deny there is any appreciable global warming problem, the IPCC itself has raised doubts about its own previously published reports as well as recently electing a somewhat skeptical frontman, and the US and Australian governments continue to maintain quite rightly that the science still hasn't been proven. The latest NASA report of July 2002 concludes that lower tropospheric data has again failed to show any warming trend when averaged over the entire Earth, and in fact the lower stratospheric data shows a significant cooling trend. It has been proven that Antarctica is COOLING down meaning the poles aren't melting, and the sealevels are decreasing - have been doing so in the Pacific for the past 26 years. Last week it was vapour trails from jets that was going to change the world's weather patterns, but everyone is now yawning. When the oil fields were set alight by Sadam Hussein after the Gulf War the world's climatologists predicted a huge catastrophe and an altering forever of the world's climate. But guess what..nothing happened. The effects were barely felt 100 miles away. Even huge vlocanoes, like Lake Taupo in NZ in 186AD, whose plume was seen and reported over China, did not alter anything permanently. People underestimate the size of the earth and its power to self-adjust. They WANT to believe the atmosphere is fragile and they want others to as well so that they can trade their fix-it products. Mostly, the scaremongerers are trying to reposition themselves politically and financially. Most caring people fall for it and that's what they play on. If you don't buy into their stupid rubbish they call you uncaring, unthinking and say you must be being paid to say the opposite by the oil or coal industry. I wish!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sha To: Aussie Weather Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: aus-wx: Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' Does anyone have any further comments in regard to this article please ? Love Sha Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' By Paul Daley London August 12 2002 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/08/11/1028158046639.html A three-kilometre-deep noxious cloud of pollution floating above South Asia could irreversibly affect agricultural production and permanently change weather patterns, a United Nations report claims. Scientists working for the UN Environment Program have found that the "Asian brown haze" has the potential to threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. The program, which has released the results of a preliminary study into the cloud, says the haze - made up of acids, ash aerosols and other particles - is already triggering droughts and could cause "several hundreds of thousands" of deaths from respiratory illnesses. Although the study does not focus specifically on Australia, its findings indicate that the El Nino weather phenomenon could become more pronounced. The program's executive director, Klaus Toepfer, said: "The haze is the result of forest fires, the burning of agricultural wastes, dramatic increases in the burning of fossil fuels in vehicles, industries and power stations and emissions from millions of inefficient cokers burning wood, cow dung and other bio fuels. "There are also global implications, not least because a pollution parcel like this, which stretches three kilometres high, can travel halfway round the globe in a week." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:45:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken, It surely must be that the Earth is relatively stable system, i.e., any perturbation tends to be counteracted to bring things back into balance. It is an equilibrium which has stood the test of time and appears quite robust. If it were not, we would not be here, and Earth would have long ago spiralled into an uninhabitable wasteland like Mars or Venus, perhaps triggered by something like a large meteor impact or indeed, Lake Taupo, which has the dubious distinction of being the source of the largest volcanic eruptions known to mankind... It is also evident that ice ages come and go, the cause of which is not clear, but that large scale variations in the climate do occur over long periods of time and even these do not break the equilibrium. However, it would appear that the Earth is currently succumbing to the worst plague in the entire history of the planet, i.e., the scourge of humanity, along with it's unprecedented destruction of vegetation, gross production of truely massive amounts of pollution, and cancerous growth of concrete jungles. How well the Earth's inbuilt corrective mechanisms cope with this is not yet known, simply because the timescale on which it is occurring is far too short in the overall scheme of things. While we can debate whether of not the effect is measurable yet, I am darn sure that by the time it is clearly measurable, it will quite likely be too late to fix. Right now the best thing that could happen to mother Earth to save it from humanity, is a really decent meteor impact. Ultimately that may just be Nature's way of fixing it. John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:51 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' I think it's more scaremongering rubbish. The scientists are getting a bit desperate. Most top climatologists in the US still deny there is any appreciable global warming problem, the IPCC itself has raised doubts about its own previously published reports as well as recently electing a somewhat skeptical frontman, and the US and Australian governments continue to maintain quite rightly that the science still hasn't been proven. The latest NASA report of July 2002 concludes that lower tropospheric data has again failed to show any warming trend when averaged over the entire Earth, and in fact the lower stratospheric data shows a significant cooling trend. It has been proven that Antarctica is COOLING down meaning the poles aren't melting, and the sealevels are decreasing - have been doing so in the Pacific for the past 26 years. Last week it was vapour trails from jets that was going to change the world's weather patterns, but everyone is now yawning. When the oil fields were set alight by Sadam Hussein after the Gulf War the world's climatologists predicted a huge catastrophe and an altering forever of the world's climate. But guess what..nothing happened. The effects were barely felt 100 miles away. Even huge vlocanoes, like Lake Taupo in NZ in 186AD, whose plume was seen and reported over China, did not alter anything permanently. People underestimate the size of the earth and its power to self-adjust. They WANT to believe the atmosphere is fragile and they want others to as well so that they can trade their fix-it products. Mostly, the scaremongerers are trying to reposition themselves politically and financially. Most caring people fall for it and that's what they play on. If you don't buy into their stupid rubbish they call you uncaring, unthinking and say you must be being paid to say the opposite by the oil or coal industry. I wish!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sha To: Aussie Weather Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: aus-wx: Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' Does anyone have any further comments in regard to this article please ? Love Sha Climate threatened by the 'Asian brown haze' By Paul Daley London August 12 2002 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/08/11/1028158046639.html A three-kilometre-deep noxious cloud of pollution floating above South Asia could irreversibly affect agricultural production and permanently change weather patterns, a United Nations report claims. Scientists working for the UN Environment Program have found that the "Asian brown haze" has the potential to threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. The program, which has released the results of a preliminary study into the cloud, says the haze - made up of acids, ash aerosols and other particles - is already triggering droughts and could cause "several hundreds of thousands" of deaths from respiratory illnesses. Although the study does not focus specifically on Australia, its findings indicate that the El Nino weather phenomenon could become more pronounced. The program's executive director, Klaus Toepfer, said: "The haze is the result of forest fires, the burning of agricultural wastes, dramatic increases in the burning of fossil fuels in vehicles, industries and power stations and emissions from millions of inefficient cokers burning wood, cow dung and other bio fuels. "There are also global implications, not least because a pollution parcel like this, which stretches three kilometres high, can travel halfway round the globe in a week." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Hello All:
        Here are some figures from an article in the Sunday, August 11, 2002 edition of the ARKANSAS-DEMOCRAT GAZETTE:
More than 33% of the US are now in severe to extreme drought. More than 50% of the country is in moderate drought.
Crop losses are still being calculated, but in Nebraska, the total economic impact of the drought is at least $1.4 Billion US dollars.
In Colorado, farmers will lose an estimated $100 Million on the winter wheat crop.
In Arizona, officials predict a $300 Million loss just to the livestock industry.
In some parts of the Southeast, drought is ravaging and widespread. From central Georgia through the middle of South and North Carolina and into central Virginia, rainfall is 60 Inches(1,524 mm) below normal.
Precipitation was 45% of normal through June in New Mexico, making this the 8th driest year since 1895.
Arizona received less than an Inch (25.4 mm)of rain in the same period; compared with an average of 4.6 Inches(116.8 mm).
Colorado's snowpacks were 60% of average this year, meaning less runoff for storage reservoirs that supply water for 7 Western states.
Lake Powell is at 63% capacity, Lake Mead is at 67% capacity and could hit a 30-year low later this year.
Thankfully, Arkansas' current condition is "near normal."
Have an Excellent Week      David Powell
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Cold day here Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:59:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
The day here started off pretty calm and got a lot worse rapidly by mid morning. Some very small hail during the morning and early arvo with the wind chill dropping to -3.9 at 2.20 this arvo with a gust of 46kmh and a grand dump here of point 6mm. There were lots of heavy showers around but most just missed us. Appeared to be some heavier falls around the Chiltern and Springhurst areas after driving my school bus. Very cold conditions :-)
Over and out from the NE.
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Bloody Mini tornado's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:07:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
There's been another "mini" tornado at Seal Rocks, Phillip Island according to Peter Mitchell on Seven news. It got about 4.6 seconds of air time...........
When are these "mini" tornado's going to grow up into just tornado's?
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold day here Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:11:41 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 08:11:41.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3C1D3E0:01C241D7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Just walked up Mt Taylor here in Canberra and it snowed lightly from the top (850 m) down to about (750m).

>From: "Bussy"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: "aussie-weather"
>Subject: aus-wx: Cold day here
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:59:56 +1000
>
>The day here started off pretty calm and got a lot worse rapidly by mid morning. Some very small hail during the morning and early arvo with the wind chill dropping to -3.9 at 2.20 this arvo with a gust of 46kmh and a grand dump here of point 6mm. There were lots of heavy showers around but most just missed us. Appeared to be some heavier falls around the Chiltern and Springhurst areas after driving my school bus. Very cold conditions :-)
>Over and out from the NE.
>
>Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)


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From: "David Carroll" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:41:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
From: "GAVIN O'BRIEN" To: Subject: aus-wx: Snow in the Tuggeranong Valley Canberra A.C.T. Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:42:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all,
After 20 degrees yesterday,it only made 9 degrees at 1041 before a powerful Cold Front crossed Canberra .Late this afternoon a secondary trough crossed us with a line of sleet/snow showers and a temperature down to 1 degree.Forecast is for more snow showers tonight but I expect most will be on the Ranges.Snow line was down to 850 metres just before sunset.What a contrast. I guess you guys on the central tablelands will get some good falls maybe up as far as Guyra in the morning.
From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:06:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Dave,
 
These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. 
 
I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.
 
I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).
 
4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.
 
Jane

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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:37:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I have had no virus' come through in the last month off this list.
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From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill
Sent: Monday, 12 August 2002 7:07 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

Dave,
 
These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. 
 
I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.
 
I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).
 
4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.
 
Jane

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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
From: "David Carroll" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:53:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
HI there Glen and Jane..
 
Well i must be the only unlucky one today.  
 
Thanks for the info Jane.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:37 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

I have had no virus' come through in the last month off this list.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill
Sent: Monday, 12 August 2002 7:07 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

Dave,
 
These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. 
 
I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.
 
I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).
 
4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.
 
Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:34:27 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
i just got a funny email from 'mail delivery system', titled 'undelivered mail returned to sender - picture od nutin'.
the message was created automatically by mail delivery software 'exim'
i've got no idea what that message is, it says a copy of my email with all headers is in the attachment but im afraid to open it.
i have vet and have just updated, what should i do?, does anyone know if this email is fair dinkum?
 
regards
richard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

Dave,
 
These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. 
 
I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.
 
I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).
 
4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.
 
Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:11:48 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 07:06 PM 12/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Dave, > >These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - >it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows >other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look >like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. No viruses here, so obviously not through the list (and no one likes me LOL). 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:12:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
There is nothing wrong with showing virga as it is precip.
 
Michael
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

It has been said on here a few weeks back that Y'Wonga clearly shows up Virga and is Suppose to be getting recalibrated, dunno when tho.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

I'm trying not to be sceptical here but Yarrawonga radar is showing that its raining here at 1845. Maybe it needs a little tuning.
It's cloudy here, but hight cloud, doesn't even look like rain.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:22:03 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's From: Dale Small To: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 X-Razor-id: f584bfa542c5ce42c7a37188d15a77f62afd6f99 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's delete anything youre unaware of, though its usually a crap one.
Your internet service provider should have up to date virus scanning software applicable for ever single email that comes and goes from its server.. if it doesnt, i suggest you change ISP's.

Regards
Dale

From: "Richard Modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:34:27 +0930
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's


i just got a funny email from 'mail delivery system', titled 'undelivered mail returned to sender - picture od nutin'.
the message was created automatically by mail delivery software 'exim'
i've got no idea what that message is, it says a copy of my email with all headers is in the attachment but im afraid to open it.
i have vet and have just updated, what should i do?, does anyone know if this email is fair dinkum?

regards
richard
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane ONeill <mailto:cadence at stormchasers.au.com>  
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

Dave,

These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't.

I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.

I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).

4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.

Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Carroll <mailto:davidkc at hotkey.net.au>  
To: Aussie Weather <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>  
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.

IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.

I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.

Dave




From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa and t's in general... Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:23:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello John Thankyou for the statistics. The vast majority of tornadoes are relatively weak affairs, and > that applies worldwide. Given that F0 and F1 tornadoes barely rate a mention, other > than brief comments in the media such as 'mini-tornado', 'freak storm', > 'violent storm', etc., it is not surprising that we have no idea how many > real tornadoes do occur in this country. > > What we do know, is that for the 2500 sq km box covering each of Brisbane, > Sydney, Melboune & Perth capitals, the number of tornadoes per year, albeit > mostly very weak (i.e., F0/F1), is actually surprisingly constant and > conservatively around 2 per yr From this I conclude most tornadoes would cause no more damage than a strong willy willy. 'mini-tornado' is a appropriate term. Those who can position themselves to photograph and document such events deserve our congratulations as they are relatively rare, with two a year only one would be in daylight. Chas Strahan Tasmania +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: aus-wx: s.e.s.a. hailstorm Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:54:08 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
had a report from a friend of mine in mt. gambier that a truckie friend of his driving a b-double 30kms nth of millicent hit a massive hailstorm at about 4:00am this morning. golf ball sized hail that broke his truck window and threw his truck off the road in hail drifts 4-6 inches deep, took half a day to get his truck un bogged and back onto the road. still waiting for a call back from my friend with the guys phone no. so i can talk to hin myself.
damn mt. gambier radars still offline, has been since A4pm sunday. very hard to type when your hands are in neck wringing mode.
didn't get one ping of hail here, plenty of rain last night and this morning and cold, brrrrrrrrrr.
 
regards
richard
naracoorte
From: "NANDINA" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:40:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Richard - delete it if you're unsure. Or run your virus scanner. If it was mine, no way I would be opening it - even tho there are hoaxes around. Actually there is a site you can query whether a hoax or a virus - http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html That may be of help. Cheers, Nandina ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Modistach To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's i just got a funny email from 'mail delivery system', titled 'undelivered mail returned to sender - picture od nutin'. the message was created automatically by mail delivery software 'exim' i've got no idea what that message is, it says a copy of my email with all headers is in the attachment but im afraid to open it. i have vet and have just updated, what should i do?, does anyone know if this email is fair dinkum? regards richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Dave, These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones. I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day). 4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: David Carroll To: Aussie Weather Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's HI all. IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm. It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List. I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection. Dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:44:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Richard I just got the same E mail. The attachment is one of those double file extensions .dat.pif, usually a dead give away for a virus.
 
It got the treatment it deserved, straight to the delete key.
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

i just got a funny email from 'mail delivery system', titled 'undelivered mail returned to sender - picture od nutin'.
the message was created automatically by mail delivery software 'exim'
i've got no idea what that message is, it says a copy of my email with all headers is in the attachment but im afraid to open it.
i have vet and have just updated, what should i do?, does anyone know if this email is fair dinkum?
 
regards
richard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

Dave,
 
These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. 
 
I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.
 
I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).
 
4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.
 
Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
From: "Richard Modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:14:27 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
very sorry about that dave, the only thing ive downloaded latley is the new dianmond mine game at yahoo . com, i didn't think that would have it.
jane, i found it in the deleted items box but it wasn't at the bottom of the list where it should have been, i've manually deleted it from there. hopefully thats the last i see of it.
 
regards
richard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:44 PM
Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI Richard,
 
Today when getting the virus.. noticed your email address in it.. Its only just occurred when i was emailing you back. 
 
Somehow your address book has emailed me and others.  Weird or what.. I wld delete it immed Richard
 
DAve
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

i just got a funny email from 'mail delivery system', titled 'undelivered mail returned to sender - picture od nutin'.
the message was created automatically by mail delivery software 'exim'
i've got no idea what that message is, it says a copy of my email with all headers is in the attachment but im afraid to open it.
i have vet and have just updated, what should i do?, does anyone know if this email is fair dinkum?
 
regards
richard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

Dave,
 
These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. 
 
I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.
 
I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).
 
4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.
 
Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
From: "Richard Modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:19:46 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
jane thats an exellent idea, i'll implement it straight away, thanks for your help, your a ledge. man the list is smokin' at the moment, everyone's online, cool.
 
regards
richard 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

not sure about that one.......have you set your deleted items folder to empty when you close down?  Have you run a virus check just ot be sure?
 
I have the first entry in my address book as
 
!00000  with no other details - this means that if ever a virus tries to send something to everyone on my address list, I get a message saying that it can't send because there is no address details.  Hasn't happened yet & I've had that set up for 2 years now.
 
Works well

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

phew, thanks jane
 
funny thing though, when i deleted it  it didnt go into my 'deleted items' box, yet everything else has, any further advice?
 
to anyone that got anything with my address on it, sincere apologies, i've got no idea.
 
regards
richard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

don't open it - it's a virus - delete it into your deleted items folder & then empty it!!
 
Then set your deleted items folder to empty when you shut donw through Tools - Options
 
Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

i just got a funny email from 'mail delivery system', titled 'undelivered mail returned to sender - picture od nutin'.
the message was created automatically by mail delivery software 'exim'
i've got no idea what that message is, it says a copy of my email with all headers is in the attachment but im afraid to open it.
i have vet and have just updated, what should i do?, does anyone know if this email is fair dinkum?
 
regards
richard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

Dave,
 
These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. 
 
I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.
 
I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).
 
4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.
 
Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
From: "Rhett Blanch" To: Subject: aus-wx: Mini tornado's - confirmed sighting? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:24:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Speaking of mini tornadoes. I recently had a sighting of one of these mini beasts. Look out! http://wilgatree.com/reports/200206___minitornado.htm Rhett -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussy Sent: Monday, 12 August 2002 6:08 PM To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: Bloody Mini tornado's There's been another "mini" tornado at Seal Rocks, Phillip Island according to Peter Mitchell on Seven news. It got about 4.6 seconds of air time........... When are these "mini" tornado's going to grow up into just tornado's? Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David Carroll" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: snow reports - roads Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:25:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
10.23pm 12/08
 
Just heard on police channel, 2 cars stuck on side of road near Lithgow from snow. Police report heavy snow falling.. Tow trucks to take cars away. I shall keep updates coming as much as possible.
 
Dave
Bathurst
 
X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:48:19 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Interesting reading Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, For those interested in the 3rd November 2000 tornadic event, the following provides some interesting reading particularly to the origin of the tornadoes http://www.rap.ucar.edu/staff/crook/radar30/radar30.html ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "GAVIN O'BRIEN" To: Subject: aus-wx: strong winds in Tuggeranong Valley (Canberra) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:37:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all,
We have had several hours of strong to galeforce Westerly winds which peaked at 67 km/hr around 2145 hours.A check of the AWS data for the Tuggeranong and Canberra A/p shows that their winds were much lighter.Even Thredbo was light or calm? Seems  that a strong down flow off the Brindbella Ranges  is grounding on the eastern side of the Valley. Winds have eased in the past hour .Temps rose from 1 degree to 4.5 degrees during the gale, now falling again.
From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: NZ Warm front. Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:46:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 13:48:52.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE374FF0:01C24206] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
For something different the synoptic this evening shows an active warm front moving over the south island of New Zealand and an occluding front extending towards the low east of Tasmania.....very nice to see these things on our weather charts!!...regards Clyve H.
From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: strong winds in Tuggeranong Valley (Canberra) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:50:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 13:52:03.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[70557C10:01C24207] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Gavin.
Sounds like a very good example of  a lee wave, the rise in temperature is also very interesting, possibly showing adiabatic warming, I also like your description of a 'grounding wave'!. regards Clyve Herbert.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:37 PM
Subject: aus-wx: strong winds in Tuggeranong Valley (Canberra)

Hi all,
We have had several hours of strong to galeforce Westerly winds which peaked at 67 km/hr around 2145 hours.A check of the AWS data for the Tuggeranong and Canberra A/p shows that their winds were much lighter.Even Thredbo was light or calm? Seems  that a strong down flow off the Brindbella Ranges  is grounding on the eastern side of the Valley. Winds have eased in the past hour .Temps rose from 1 degree to 4.5 degrees during the gale, now falling again.
From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:30:37 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Ok, I'll ask...
 
What/where/who is virga???
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought.
From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:18:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 14:19:13.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C0047C0:01C2420B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
In the last 12 hrs i have recieved 3 virus, 1 of which has forced me to reformat the computer for the second time this week. about to do that now!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:53 PM
Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI there Glen and Jane..
 
Well i must be the only unlucky one today.  
 
Thanks for the info Jane.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:37 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

I have had no virus' come through in the last month off this list.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill
Sent: Monday, 12 August 2002 7:07 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

Dave,
 
These viruses that found you aren't actually coming through the list - it's another one of those "make it up as you go" viruses that borrows other people's address books & spawns randomly, making the emails look like they came from somewhere or someone they actually didn't. 
 
I didn't get any viruses from list subscribers or from the list itself, so they couldn't have come through the list or we would have all got the same ones.
 
I agree with you, use a good virus protector (I use VET & update the files every day).
 
4.2C on Mt Dandenong atm.
 
Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------
 
 
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's

HI all.
 
IM sure many people are aware of many viruses been sent today via this list.. The lastest strain being the Win 32.Yaha E worm.  It came through twice today once from Aussie Wx List.
 
I just hope everyone is updating their Virus protection.
 
Dave
 
 
X-Sender: meso at pop.iprimus.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:18:58 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Mal Ninnes Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mini tornado's - confirmed sighting? X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 14:18:17.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A825DE0:01C2420B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Heheheh Rhett - good one! Where is that at? Looks like Questacon or somewhere like that? At 09:24 PM 8/12/02 +1000, you wrote: >Speaking of mini tornadoes. I recently had a sighting of one of these mini >beasts. Look out! > >http://wilgatree.com/reports/200206___minitornado.htm > >Rhett > > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussy >Sent: Monday, 12 August 2002 6:08 PM >To: aussie-weather >Subject: aus-wx: Bloody Mini tornado's > > >There's been another "mini" tornado at Seal Rocks, Phillip Island according >to Peter Mitchell on Seven news. It got about 4.6 seconds of air >time........... >When are these "mini" tornado's going to grow up into just tornado's? > >Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:27:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 14:27:30.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[644FFE40:01C2420C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Paul.
Virga is Preciptation from Clouds that does not reach the ground.
If it wasn't for this virus affecting IE i would look for some examples, but im pretty sure there is some reference on www.australiasevereweather.com about it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stargazer
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Ok, I'll ask...
 
What/where/who is virga???
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought.
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:47:06 +1000 From: Tim Eckert Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold day here To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.1.0.58-GA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Maximum of only 9C here today with some squally showers and a bit of hail. Went up to Mt William (Grampians) again this arvo to see some snow. Only a light cover but I'm guessing more was around in the morning. Should have some photos up tomorrow. Tim Eckert Hamilton SW VIC ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:11:41 +1000 >From: "michael king" >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold day here >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Open +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:05:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Look at a cloud that is starting to drop some rain. If it doesn't reach the ground before evaporating then it's called Virga. You see it a bit during summer especially.
Who the hell thought up the "Virga" name? :-)
Maybe another name would've been easier to associate with this "non-event". I can feel some jokes coming here...........
----- Original Message -----
From: Stargazer
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Ok, I'll ask...
 
What/where/who is virga???
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought.
From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:00:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
It's Latin for stick or twig.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Look at a cloud that is starting to drop some rain. If it doesn't reach the ground before evaporating then it's called Virga. You see it a bit during summer especially.
Who the hell thought up the "Virga" name? :-)
Maybe another name would've been easier to associate with this "non-event". I can feel some jokes coming here...........
----- Original Message -----
From: Stargazer
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Ok, I'll ask...
 
What/where/who is virga???
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar

Perhaps there is virga.  Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a thought.
X-Sender: mbath at mail.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:06:10 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar - virga Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com there are some pics here: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/virga01.htm At 11:30 PM 12/8/2002 +0930, you wrote: >Ok, I'll ask... > >What/where/who is virga??? > >Regs. Paul. >(Stargazer) >http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Michael Thompson >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:56 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar > >Perhaps there is virga. Sometimes it is not all that visible, just a >thought. ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com)" Subject: aus-wx: climate change. Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:44:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >I think it's more scaremongering rubbish. The scientists are getting a bi= t >desperate. Most top climatologists in the US still deny there is any appreciable global warming problem, the IPCC itself has raised doubts abo= ut >its own previously published reports as well as recently electing a somew= hat >skeptical frontman, and the US and Australian governments continue to maintain quite rightly that the science still hasn't been proven. The lat= est I trust Ken, as self appointed expert on climate change you will share with us the poll which shows that "Most top climatologists in the US" still deny there is any appreciable global warming problem. Given that the surface, satellite, sea surface temperature, upper altitude pressure observations, glacial cores, tree rings, sea height, radio-sonde balloon flights, high altitude and latitude tree lines, coral cores, bore hole records etc etc etc all show a consistent warming of around 0.1C per decade sustained over the last ~50+ years it is impossible to argue that the globe is not warming. The expert opinion on this matter is that of the IPCC whose contributors include the famous climate skeptics. The 4th assessment report quite unambiguously attributes recent climate change (at least in part) to human activity. Regards, David email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar - virga Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:08:46 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar - virga Thread-Index: AcJCUMMPPogMrwCfQqWpidC2tTYajQABFt7A From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 00:09:35.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4D6C140:01C2425D] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id UAA21799 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Didn't Virga fly Thunderbird 2? Pete McGhee Lat: -35 06 00 Long:173 43 01 At 11:30 PM 12/8/2002 +0930, you wrote: >Ok, I'll ask... > >What/where/who is virga??? > >Regs. Paul. >(Stargazer) >http://homepages.picknowl.c om.au/stargazer > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: climate change. Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:51:52 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com David wrote "it is impossible to argue that the globe is not warming.." Well, I have no trouble. I really have no wish to argue the subject, as it has been my experience that those who work for government meteorological departments try to lord it over those who do not, without wishing to debate the science in a reasoned way. A bullyboy attitude seems to pervade in which professional meteorologists and climatologists assume themselves the only ones qualified to have an opinion on the matter. The absurdity is that they admit to not being able to predict weather for more than 5 days ahead, which gives them a good out for not warning people in good time of calamities; yet at the same time they claim to be able to comment on climate/weather patterns 50 years ahead re-global warming predictions. The total lack of logic of this seems to escape them. Contrary to David's kind suggestion I have not appointed myself an expert, but I do consider NASA reports reliable enough to call them expert. I also consider John Daly expert, Peter Toynbee and a hundred others who are not government employees and so have no political axe to grind. Surface-based temperatures are NOT as reliable as satellite-based, and the warming figure from satellite data is only 0.06 of 1 degC for the last century, less than would be expected from natural fluctuation. (ref: science at nasa.com) "The latest NASA report of July 2002 concludes that lower tropospheric data has again failed to show any warming trend when averaged over the entire Earth, and in fact the lower stratospheric data shows a significant cooling trend.." (ref: http://wwwghcc.msfc,nasa.gov/temperature/) The latest graphs published by the CRU (Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the Univ. of East Anglia, Norwich, England) show that since the high temp level of 1998 temperatures have DROPPED in the Northern Hemisphere: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/n17.htm , in the Southern Hemisphere: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/s17.htm , and globally: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/g17.htm All those factors mentioned below - tree rings etc - are out of date and too localised. There are more up-to-date studies for anyone wanting to familiarise themselves with RECENT work. Also one might want to look at globalwarming.org The IPCC has been accused by its OWN scientists of altering commissioned scientific reports and producing politically biased policy documents, deleting "natural fluctuation" and substituting "human activity" throughout the texts. This has become widely known as the IPCC Chapter 8 Scandal. If anyone wants refs. to that debate, look up johndaly.com I am not alone in believing that only satellite data hacks it. Otherwise why are we developing a satellite technology? To give meteorologists something to ignore? That's my bit and I really don't want to get into another debate on the matter unless we stick to the science. regards Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jones" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: aus-wx: climate change. > >I think it's more scaremongering rubbish. The scientists are getting a bi= > t > >desperate. Most top climatologists in the US still deny there is any > appreciable global warming problem, the IPCC itself has raised doubts abo= > ut > >its own previously published reports as well as recently electing a somew= > hat > >skeptical frontman, and the US and Australian governments continue to > maintain quite rightly that the science still hasn't been proven. The lat= > est > > I trust Ken, as self appointed expert on climate change you will share with > us the poll which shows that "Most top climatologists in the US" still deny > there is any appreciable global warming problem. Given that the surface, > satellite, sea surface temperature, upper altitude pressure observations, > glacial cores, tree rings, sea height, radio-sonde balloon flights, high > altitude and latitude tree lines, coral cores, bore hole records etc etc etc > all show a consistent warming of around 0.1C per decade sustained over the > last ~50+ years it is impossible to argue that the globe is not warming. > > The expert opinion on this matter is that of the IPCC whose contributors > include the famous climate skeptics. The 4th assessment report quite > unambiguously attributes recent climate change (at least in part) to human > activity. > > Regards, > > David > > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Seal Rocks 'Storm' Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:56:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 00:58:01.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[7913AA90:01C24264] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
Some very interesting discussion on the Melbourne ABC radio 3LO this morning in respect to the so call 'storm' at Seal Rocks yesterday. This storm has been referred to as yet another 'mini tornado' in the media, however 3LO received a call from Mr Rob Gell explaining that this (mini word) should not be used or is not officially used, Hip Hip Hooray for Mr Gell....When the next news break came on this storm was announced as a MINI CYCLONE!!!?, well I suppose that's some progress. After the news at 0905 there was the regular cross to the BOM who were immediately collared for an explanation of the storm, congratulations to Mr Ken Dickinson for what was a very good and detailed description of the possibility of a water spout (explained as a tornadic process). Mr Dickinson went into some very good and clear detail of the physics of a severe storm......The best description though, came from a resident at Somers about 2 or 3 ks across the bay who described the appearance as a rotating column of water extending from the sea surface to the cloud base, about 400m in height, it is very good at last to see a move away from the mini mentality often used to describe these occasional dangerous events which in the unfortunate occasion of a direct hit may have the potential to cause serious injury or even worse....regards Clyve Herbert.
From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:36:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
I received this today and am  not sure what to make of it:

FROM: <aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com>, TO: <carolyn at netcentral.com.au> - mail.netcentral.com.au detected the Exploit-MIME.gen.exe virus in this email. The virus was Cleaned. .

This is is suppose to have been sent by Jane..........

Things are not looking too good re viruses

Carolyn

X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:48:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus alert Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello, I am not trying to start any conversations re viruses and get feedback about virus checkers and professional ways to deal with it etc. Do any of that type of research offline or on websites or appropriate forums related to virus checking. But what I would like suggest is that one or more on this list must have a virus as the aussie-weather list e-mail was send to me infected - I think 2 of them with a virus being picked up. So please, do check your systems and do not open any files that contain rubbish. If you have outlook express, be somewhat extra careful with the way the program is set up to read e-mails. Definitely, do not open attachments. I make a rule that nothing is opened on my system. Of course, make sure you have a virus checker that is updated daily in terms of updated files sent to the virus checker. Cheers ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Just found this Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:16:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Maybe we're all getting it wrong. Tornado's on water, blah, blah........

 http://www.bordermail.com.au/newsflow/pageitem?page_id=285007
Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\The Border Mail.url" X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:22:02 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus alert Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi guys, On a similar note, please do not send e-mails to Jane suggesting that she has a virus as she has done everything and it has come back clean. She is currently being bombarded by people e-mailing her at the moment. Jimmy Deguara At 05:48 PM 13/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am not trying to start any conversations re viruses and get feedback >about virus checkers and professional ways to deal with it etc. Do any of >that type of research offline or on websites or appropriate forums related >to virus checking. But what I would like suggest is that one or more on >this list must have a virus as the aussie-weather list e-mail was send to >me infected - I think 2 of them with a virus being picked up. > >So please, do check your systems and do not open any files that contain >rubbish. If you have outlook express, be somewhat extra careful with the >way the program is set up to read e-mails. Definitely, do not open >attachments. I make a rule that nothing is opened on my system. Of course, >make sure you have a virus checker that is updated daily in terms of >updated files sent to the virus checker. > >Cheers > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Viruses Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:27:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 08:27:37.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[483FFA10:01C242A3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
My virus check detected three virus infected e-mails today - which is the first in a long time. Some apparently are from forum members.
 
Take care folks.
 
 
Regards
Simon
X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:29:48 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 12:18 AM 13/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >In the last 12 hrs i have recieved 3 virus, 1 of which has forced me to >reformat the computer for the second time this week. about to do that now! 1. DO NOT USE OUTLOOK/OUTLOOK EXPRESS!!! These programs are the digital equivalent of a nutrient filled petri dish!!! 2. Use a virus scanner. If you want a free one, go to http://www.grisoft.com and download AVG Free Edition, and keep it up to date. 3. What viruses from the list? They are probably propagating direct from people with you in their address book. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:31:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar - virga Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:08 AM 13/08/2002 +1200, you wrote: >Didn't Virga fly Thunderbird 2? That was Virgil ;) But maybe Virgil flew Thunderbird 2 through the virga?!?! ;) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:41:00 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 05:36 PM 13/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I received this today and am not sure what to make of it: > >FROM: , TO: > - mail.netcentral.com.au detected the >Exploit-MIME.gen.exe virus in this email. The virus was Cleaned. . Delete it... >This is is suppose to have been sent by Jane.......... Highly unlikely. The viruses (actually worms) these days tend to pick an address at random from the address book or inbox. I would be very surprised if Jane was the source if this particular message (I don't know what she uses, but I do know how these things work). Anyway, back to the WX. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:54:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I've received quite a few of these in the last day or two. Maybe there is something there, Tony? Who is the email addressee??????? This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed. mcgheep at nzcc.co.nz +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:00:12 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's From: Dale Small To: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 X-Razor-id: e726135f892f519436d93e6d8496d9d86baf0238 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Obviously it is about time that everyone on this list has a thorough check of their systems. Programmers are getting a lot smarter in how these things propgate i do know that much. It just goes to show. C'mon folks, lets nail this on the head before it causes a lot more heartbreak. Regards Dale From: "Carolyn" Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:36:34 +1000 To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's I received this today and am not sure what to make of it: FROM: , TO: - mail.netcentral.com.au detected the Exploit-MIME.gen.exe virus in this email. The virus was Cleaned. . This is is suppose to have been sent by Jane.......... Things are not looking too good re viruses Carolyn +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:26:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Someone sent me Yaha today from somewhere, doubt it was from here, Norton AV picked it up and then the name it came from was listed as Norton Antivirus Products or something similar. I have NAV2002 doing auto updates and it does it's job very well. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Dale Small Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2002 7:00 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Obviously it is about time that everyone on this list has a thorough check of their systems. Programmers are getting a lot smarter in how these things propgate i do know that much. It just goes to show. C'mon folks, lets nail this on the head before it causes a lot more heartbreak. Regards Dale From: "Carolyn" Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:36:34 +1000 To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's I received this today and am not sure what to make of it: FROM: , TO: - mail.netcentral.com.au detected the Exploit-MIME.gen.exe virus in this email. The virus was Cleaned. . This is is suppose to have been sent by Jane.......... Things are not looking too good re viruses Carolyn +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:56:37 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 06:54 PM 13/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I've received quite a few of these in the last day or two. Maybe there is >something there, Tony? >Who is the email addressee??????? > >This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. > >THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. > >YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. > >Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed. > > mcgheep at nzcc.co.nz It could be the result of viral activity, ironically most likely not originating from your system, but from someone who had both you and a dead address or two in their address book. Virus sends message from their system using your address to a (now) dead account, and you ge tthe bounce... 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.16] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus alert Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:22:38 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 11:22:39.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBE3C7E0:01C242BB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Jimmy, so maybe there's something in what David Carroll said last night..... BTW, if you are interested in installing a patch that will help combat these viruses, and you have IE6.0 (NOT IE 5.0) this patch can be downloaded from here... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q316059 and click on the link Q321232 just above the word SUMMARY. Melbourne Wx: currently 4.5C on Mt Dandenong - which I've discovered, is 561m ASL not 502m as I had previously thought. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- Hi guys, On a similar note, please do not send e-mails to Jane suggesting that she has a virus as she has done everything and it has come back clean. She is currently being bombarded by people e-mailing her at the moment. Jimmy Deguara At 05:48 PM 13/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am not trying to start any conversations re viruses and get feedback >about virus checkers and professional ways to deal with it etc. Do any of >that type of research offline or on websites or appropriate forums related >to virus checking. But what I would like suggest is that one or more on >this list must have a virus as the aussie-weather list e-mail was send to >me infected - I think 2 of them with a virus being picked up. > >So please, do check your systems and do not open any files that contain >rubbish. If you have outlook express, be somewhat extra careful with the >way the program is set up to read e-mails. Definitely, do not open >attachments. I make a rule that nothing is opened on my system. Of course, >make sure you have a virus checker that is updated daily in terms of >updated files sent to the virus checker. > >Cheers > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:39:39 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Tony, I never received the e-mail with the subject "Document" purporting to come from Jane via the list. Although my virus detection program has been working overtime intercepting viruses from elsewhere, none have come to me from the list. However, I am aware that the YAHA.F worm, like several other currently busy worms, is very adept at hiding its place of origin. While it is running on the infected computer, it chooses to set up as the sender a legitimate e-mail address that it finds in a received e-mail stored on the infected computer before it sends itself out using its own built-in SMTP engine. Even when you can reveal all headers, it is almost impossible to trace where it came from. YAHA.F will also infect an unprotected computer without the need for the user to open an attachment. If any e-mail program (including non- Microsoft ones such as Eudora or Netscape) is set up so that the start of the message is viewed automatically as the header is highlighted, the worm may execute and infect the computer. Thus you might highlight the message just to delete it and find that your computer is already infected. There is no substitute for installing, running and regularly updating a fully-fledged virus checker which is able to check the e-mail while it is entering your system and stop it in its tracks. I use Trend Micro's PC-cillin 2002 which automatically updates itself with the latest patterns and newest scan engines the moment they are released. It is currently intercepting from three to ten worms or viruses per day which are attempting to arrive via e-mail. I would be out of business if I didn't use it. On my website at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm in the left hand column just a few cells down from the top you will see a free "Housecall" virus checking link which will check your PC for viruses using the very latest pattern file. Any one on the list with a Windows PC who doesn't know for certain that their own virus checking program is up to date ought to try it out and check their computer now. And I do not get paid one cent for advertising PC-cillin or any other anti virus program. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:38:41 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > At 01:11 AM 13/08/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > >Viruses found in the attached files. > >The attached file Document.txt.pif is infected by I-Worm/Yaha.F. The > >attachment was moved to the virus vault. > > Yep, a virus... And it came through the list (refer complete message > below). > > Note for list admin: Is it possible for the list to be configured to > strip > all non text attachments? This is a great way to minimise the spread > of > viruses and save bandwidth at the same time. If we need to send files, > we > can always go direct, or put them up on the web and post a URL. to the > list, like most of us already do. > > Anyway, for reference sake, the complete message (unfortunately, the > list > grunged the headers, so I was unable to trace it to its true source :( > ). > > ---------------- > > From: cadence > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Document > Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 <-- Ick Virus > Breeder > 5.50 ;) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary=gosccvj > Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com <-- Header shows it > arrived > via the list > Precedence: list > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com <-- Ditto > Status: > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Type: text/html; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-C8D6DD > > ellGTGTimes New RomanSymbol ArialTimes New Roman U]c7KNormalaADefault > Paragraph FontFMicrosoft Word 6 DocumentMSWordDoc9q +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:56:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 11:57:10.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DF457F0:01C242C0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I recieved my 4th virus today the email it came in was from "cadence" with the subject aus-wx: Document, NAV was working properly at the time but fortunatley Zone alarm pro stopped it from running :), it was also the YAHA.F virus in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > Tony, I never received the e-mail with the subject "Document" purporting > to come from Jane via the list. > Although my virus detection program has been working overtime > intercepting viruses from elsewhere, none have come to me from the list. > However, I am aware that the YAHA.F worm, like several other currently > busy worms, is very adept at hiding its place of origin. > While it is running on the infected computer, it chooses to set up as the > sender a legitimate e-mail address that it finds in a received e-mail > stored on the infected computer before it sends itself out using its own > built-in SMTP engine. Even when you can reveal all headers, it is almost > impossible to trace where it came from. > YAHA.F will also infect an unprotected computer without the need for the > user to open an attachment. If any e-mail program (including non- > Microsoft ones such as Eudora or Netscape) is set up so that the start of > the message is viewed automatically as the header is highlighted, the > worm may execute and infect the computer. Thus you might highlight the > message just to delete it and find that your computer is already infected. > There is no substitute for installing, running and regularly updating a > fully-fledged virus checker which is able to check the e-mail while it is > entering your system and stop it in its tracks. > I use Trend Micro's PC-cillin 2002 which automatically updates itself > with the latest patterns and newest scan engines the moment they are > released. It is currently intercepting from three to ten worms or > viruses per day which are attempting to arrive via e-mail. > I would be out of business if I didn't use it. > On my website at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm in the left hand > column just a few cells down from the top you will see a free "Housecall" > virus checking link which will check your PC for viruses using the very > latest pattern file. > Any one on the list with a Windows PC who doesn't know for certain that > their own virus checking program is up to date ought to try it out and > check their computer now. > And I do not get paid one cent for advertising PC-cillin or any other > anti virus program. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:38:41 +1000 > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > > > At 01:11 AM 13/08/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > > > >Viruses found in the attached files. > > >The attached file Document.txt.pif is infected by I-Worm/Yaha.F. The > > >attachment was moved to the virus vault. > > > > Yep, a virus... And it came through the list (refer complete message > > below). > > > > Note for list admin: Is it possible for the list to be configured to > > strip > > all non text attachments? This is a great way to minimise the spread > > of > > viruses and save bandwidth at the same time. If we need to send files, > > we > > can always go direct, or put them up on the web and post a URL. to the > > list, like most of us already do. > > > > Anyway, for reference sake, the complete message (unfortunately, the > > list > > grunged the headers, so I was unable to trace it to its true source :( > > ). > > > > ---------------- > > > > From: cadence > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: aus-wx: Document > > Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 <-- Ick Virus > > Breeder > > 5.50 ;) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary=gosccvj > > Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com <-- Header shows it > > arrived > > via the list > > Precedence: list > > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com <-- Ditto > > Status: > > > > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Type: text/html; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-C8D6DD > > > > ellGTGTimes New RomanSymbol ArialTimes New Roman U]c7KNormalaADefault > > Paragraph FontFMicrosoft Word 6 DocumentMSWordDoc9q > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David Carroll" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:13:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Its amazing after last night and getting the 1st msg.. and now i have recvd more today.. Ive been checking all emails via webmail.. I delete them before they get to my email.. I do have the latest version of Vet and not one has infected my pc. The virus yesterday was Yaha E worm, now is YahaF.. Vet is currently dissecting the Yaha G worm. For all people with registered versions of VET the release of VEt 5.1 is now available to download. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > I recieved my 4th virus today the email it came in was from "cadence" with > the subject aus-wx: Document, NAV was working properly at the time but > fortunatley Zone alarm pro stopped it from running :), it was also the > YAHA.F virus in it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Smith" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:39 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > > > > Tony, I never received the e-mail with the subject "Document" purporting > > to come from Jane via the list. > > Although my virus detection program has been working overtime > > intercepting viruses from elsewhere, none have come to me from the list. > > However, I am aware that the YAHA.F worm, like several other currently > > busy worms, is very adept at hiding its place of origin. > > While it is running on the infected computer, it chooses to set up as the > > sender a legitimate e-mail address that it finds in a received e-mail > > stored on the infected computer before it sends itself out using its own > > built-in SMTP engine. Even when you can reveal all headers, it is almost > > impossible to trace where it came from. > > YAHA.F will also infect an unprotected computer without the need for the > > user to open an attachment. If any e-mail program (including non- > > Microsoft ones such as Eudora or Netscape) is set up so that the start of > > the message is viewed automatically as the header is highlighted, the > > worm may execute and infect the computer. Thus you might highlight the > > message just to delete it and find that your computer is already infected. > > There is no substitute for installing, running and regularly updating a > > fully-fledged virus checker which is able to check the e-mail while it is > > entering your system and stop it in its tracks. > > I use Trend Micro's PC-cillin 2002 which automatically updates itself > > with the latest patterns and newest scan engines the moment they are > > released. It is currently intercepting from three to ten worms or > > viruses per day which are attempting to arrive via e-mail. > > I would be out of business if I didn't use it. > > On my website at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm in the left hand > > column just a few cells down from the top you will see a free "Housecall" > > virus checking link which will check your PC for viruses using the very > > latest pattern file. > > Any one on the list with a Windows PC who doesn't know for certain that > > their own virus checking program is up to date ought to try it out and > > check their computer now. > > And I do not get paid one cent for advertising PC-cillin or any other > > anti virus program. > > > > Phil > > <>< > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:38:41 +1000 > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > > > > > At 01:11 AM 13/08/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Viruses found in the attached files. > > > >The attached file Document.txt.pif is infected by I-Worm/Yaha.F. The > > > >attachment was moved to the virus vault. > > > > > > Yep, a virus... And it came through the list (refer complete message > > > below). > > > > > > Note for list admin: Is it possible for the list to be configured to > > > strip > > > all non text attachments? This is a great way to minimise the spread > > > of > > > viruses and save bandwidth at the same time. If we need to send files, > > > we > > > can always go direct, or put them up on the web and post a URL. to the > > > list, like most of us already do. > > > > > > Anyway, for reference sake, the complete message (unfortunately, the > > > list > > > grunged the headers, so I was unable to trace it to its true source :( > > > ). > > > > > > ---------------- > > > > > > From: cadence > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: aus-wx: Document > > > Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 <-- Ick Virus > > > Breeder > > > 5.50 ;) > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > > boundary=gosccvj > > > Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com <-- Header shows it > > > arrived > > > via the list > > > Precedence: list > > > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com <-- Ditto > > > Status: > > > > > > > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Content-Type: text/html; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-C8D6DD > > > > > > ellGTGTimes New RomanSymbol ArialTimes New Roman U]c7KNormalaADefault > > > Paragraph FontFMicrosoft Word 6 DocumentMSWordDoc9q > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:47:49 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have had 4 similar viri the last few days. All from the ax. list. Just delete them and lets get back to the weather. Ohh wait there - I have nothing to report! hehe. Hey Phil, hows HK?? Rgds, Paul. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:19:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Simon, that's the one I got as well. The email I sent before was exactly as I got the message, with nothing else on the page. Fortunately my ISP picked it up before antivirus did. Keep Smiling, has activated the list ;-) Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Simon Angell Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2002 9:57 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document I recieved my 4th virus today the email it came in was from "cadence" with the subject aus-wx: Document, NAV was working properly at the time but fortunatley Zone alarm pro stopped it from running :), it was also the YAHA.F virus in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > Tony, I never received the e-mail with the subject "Document" > purporting to come from Jane via the list. Although my virus detection > program has been working overtime intercepting viruses from elsewhere, > none have come to me from the list. However, I am aware that the > YAHA.F worm, like several other currently busy worms, is very adept at > hiding its place of origin. While it is running on the infected > computer, it chooses to set up as the sender a legitimate e-mail > address that it finds in a received e-mail stored on the infected > computer before it sends itself out using its own built-in SMTP > engine. Even when you can reveal all headers, it is almost impossible > to trace where it came from. YAHA.F will also infect an unprotected > computer without the need for the user to open an attachment. If any > e-mail program (including non- Microsoft ones such as Eudora or > Netscape) is set up so that the start of the message is viewed > automatically as the header is highlighted, the worm may execute and > infect the computer. Thus you might highlight the message just to > delete it and find that your computer is already infected. There is no > substitute for installing, running and regularly updating a > fully-fledged virus checker which is able to check the e-mail while it > is entering your system and stop it in its tracks. I use Trend Micro's > PC-cillin 2002 which automatically updates itself with the latest > patterns and newest scan engines the moment they are released. It is > currently intercepting from three to ten worms or viruses per day > which are attempting to arrive via e-mail. I would be out of business > if I didn't use it. On my website at > http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm in the left hand column just a > few cells down from the top you will see a free "Housecall" virus > checking link which will check your PC for viruses using the very > latest pattern file. Any one on the list with a Windows PC who doesn't > know for certain that their own virus checking program is up to date > ought to try it out and check their computer now. > And I do not get paid one cent for advertising PC-cillin or any other > anti virus program. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk > Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:38:41 +1000 > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > > > At 01:11 AM 13/08/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > > > >Viruses found in the attached files. > > >The attached file Document.txt.pif is infected by I-Worm/Yaha.F. > > >The attachment was moved to the virus vault. > > > > Yep, a virus... And it came through the list (refer complete > > message below). > > > > Note for list admin: Is it possible for the list to be configured > > to strip all non text attachments? This is a great way to minimise > > the spread of > > viruses and save bandwidth at the same time. If we need to send files, > > we > > can always go direct, or put them up on the web and post a URL. to the > > list, like most of us already do. > > > > Anyway, for reference sake, the complete message (unfortunately, the > > list grunged the headers, so I was unable to trace it to its true > > source :( ). > > > > ---------------- > > > > From: cadence > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: aus-wx: Document > > Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 <-- Ick Virus > > Breeder 5.50 ;) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary=gosccvj > > Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com <-- Header shows it > > arrived > > via the list > > Precedence: list > > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com <-- Ditto > > Status: > > > > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Type: text/html; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-C8D6DD > > > > ellGTGTimes New RomanSymbol ArialTimes New Roman > > U]c7KNormalaADefault Paragraph FontFMicrosoft Word 6 > > DocumentMSWordDoc9q > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: faerinelda at hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: [203.54.44.188] Wrom: MKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQ To: "AussieWeather" Subject: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:53:25 +1000 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 12:57:45.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[04F59BE0:01C242C9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
A couple of replys in one for you all a Q or two and a small note...
 
Re: Virus protection
        Norton System works is very good for those looking to protect their system against any virus and possible attacks, you can even trace a potential attack and it alerts you when an attack is being made.
 
Re: Euroa Tornado
        Jane your pics are really good and I only wish I could see a tornado for myself one day it looks exciting as well as challenging. Q. why dont the BoM take the reports seriously? it appears from websites & television etc. that in the US their "BoM" listens to their storm chasers for real time information on what is happening.
 
Re: Seal Rocks "mini cyclone"
       was it a Tornado or a mini cycolne? if it was a mini cyclone would there have been a funnel? wouldn't there have been more damage to the entire facility? or was it a tornado or mini tornado that was from a larger (system? cell?) cloud?
       off track a bit...Is it true that they (tornados) can be born of a cell depending on certain conditions?
       
Re: Foxtel
        Just wanted to point out that foxtel has some really interesting shows on this month on National Geographic and Discovery channels.
 
Re: ASWA
        How does one join up as a member of ASWA in Vic? Are there requirements or eligibilty?
 
Re: This list
      &nbsaus-wx A couple of replys in o.ems p; What is the website address for this list to view the previous messages etc? does one exist?
 
Please dont fob these questions off it would mean alot to me to have you answer them. surprisingly enough i speak very highly of all the people on this list and i know i am not in "the club" but still want to learn, i have felt of late that the list is not an educational tool for myself if that is the case i shall leave.
 
however you are all really intelligent and fun people to read from and i appreciate being apart of it in my annoying way.
 
yours
catherine


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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:52:20 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com SDS mode here mate. We had some excitement a week ago when Tropical Storm Kammuri got pretty close, ( forwarded reports to the list - if you missed them they are at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/kammuri.htm ) but it's all quiet since then. Some distance away from us as yet we have Typhoon Phanfone headed from the Marshall Islands towards Iwo Jima. It will probably become a Super Typhoon in a few days time which will spark some comment on the local weather forum here. However, it will not come within a bull's roar of us. Over the province of Luzon in the Philippines there is currently a tropical depression named Milenyo, which is forecast to wander out into the South China Sea later this week, but I don't expect it to spark off much action here. If it doesn't fizzle out altogether, it will probably meander across towards Hainan. Actually my wife and I were both remarking to each other today that the weather here looks wintry so long as you are in an air-conditioned room. Clear blue skies with the sun beating down are more typical of Winter here than mid-Summer when we are supposed to have clouds and rain every day. In fact the weather is so quiet that on the local forum there is a kind of guessing game in which we all try to predict when the web-site will receive its 20 millionth hit. If anybody is bored they can read the thread at http://www.weather.org.hk/discus/messages/1/3423.html? TuesdayAugust1320020947pm and really waste some time. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:47:49 +0930 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > I have had 4 similar viri the last few days. All from the ax. list. > Just > delete them and lets get back to the weather. Ohh wait there - I have > nothing to report! hehe. Hey Phil, hows HK?? > > Rgds, Paul. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:03:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 14:03:32.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[35449E50:01C242D2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Catherine
First off, Welcome to the List *wave*.
 
Replies to your Questions, (the best i can anyway).
 
Re: Euroa Tornado
    I agree, Great photos Jane! as for BoM Vs US weather services, different Countries, Different Population, Different research facilities, Different Mentality. Storm Chaser in AU is realativly new compared to the US, perhaps oneday we will be on par with them.
 
Re: Seal Rocks "mini cyclone"
    In weather terms there is no such thing as "mini", and a cylone is a tropical storm system 1000 times larger than what hit seal rocks.
From all the reports i have heard is was a tornadic event, A waterspout crossed onto the shore on smashed into the visitors center.
Now not to confuse you, but there are a couple of variations of waterspouts, they can form when there is no storms in site and come out of a little bit of cloud. As reports suggest this one was however a Tornadic Waterspout, spawned from a Cold air Thunderstorm (coldie). Now to the word "mini", this term is a media beat up and should be banned from publication everywhere (in Weather related stories).
 
Re: ASWA
    Contact Jane, she is Vic's state rep, cadence at stormchasers.au.com also you can get a application from the ASWA site here, http://www.severeweather.asn.au/meminfo/index.htm or directly here http://www.severeweather.asn.au/meminfo/application.doc 
 
 
Re: This list
    Don't know of one my self, maybe others do?
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note...

A couple of replys in one for you all a Q or two and a small note...
 
Re: Virus protection
        Norton System works is very good for those looking to protect their system against any virus and possible attacks, you can even trace a potential attack and it alerts you when an attack is being made.
 
Re: Euroa Tornado
        Jane your pics are really good and I only wish I could see a tornado for myself one day it looks exciting as well as challenging. Q. why dont the BoM take the reports seriously? it appears from websites & television etc. that in the US their "BoM" listens to their storm chasers for real time information on what is happening.
 
Re: Seal Rocks "mini cyclone"
       was it a Tornado or a mini cycolne? if it was a mini cyclone would there have been a funnel? wouldn't there have been more damage to the entire facility? or was it a tornado or mini tornado that was from a larger (system? cell?) cloud?
       off track a bit...Is it true that they (tornados) can be born of a cell depending on certain conditions?
       
Re: Foxtel
        Just wanted to point out that foxtel has some really interesting shows on this month on National Geographic and Discovery channels.
 
Re: ASWA
        How does one join up as a member of ASWA in Vic? Are there requirements or eligibilty?
 
Re: This list
        What is the website address for this list to view the previous messages etc? does one exist?
 
Please dont fob these questions off it would mean alot to me to have you answer them. surprisingly enough i speak very highly of all the people on this list and i know i am not in "the club" but still want to learn, i have felt of late that the list is not an educational tool for myself if that is the case i shall leave.
 
however you are all really intelligent and fun people to read from and i appreciate being apart of it in my annoying way.
 
yours
catherine


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From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:28:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com List of headers in the email which I received on the list apparently from cadence (virus payload had been stripped by my ISP): Received: from europe.std.com (europe-e.std.com [192.74.137.10]) by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31590 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:04:09 +1000 (GMT+1000) Received: (from daemon at localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08280 for aussie-weather-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls2.std.com [199.172.62.104]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07724 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com (bdc at world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20904 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:11 -0400 Received: from world.std.com (max1-41.voltage.net [208.189.4.62]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA19194 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200208130559.BAA19194 at world.std.com> From: cadence To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Document Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=gosccvj Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-UIDL: b9d10398f690067a44398dc2cf7e2663 >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:40 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document Tony, I never received the e-mail with the subject "Document" purporting to come from Jane via the list. Although my virus detection program has been working overtime intercepting viruses from elsewhere, none have come to me from the list. ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: "Wx-Chase" , "Storm Track" , "Australian Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: New chaser arrival Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:42:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey All, Just a quick word to let all our friends know that Liam Alexander Yole arrived in the world at 10:52am, August 13, weighing 8lbs 8oz. Both Mom and baby are doing okay, and expect to be home soon. Ironically, Liam was born during a thunderstorm at the time, so I think this is a clear sign that he will be a future chaser...hehehe PaulY (Extremely proud husband and daddy) Paul Yole State Rep - ASWA Victoria http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:54:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Simon beat me too it and answered better than I would of anyway :-)
 
 
Please dont fob these questions off it would mean alot to me to have you answer them. surprisingly enough i speak very highly of all the people on this list and i know i am not in "the club" but still want to learn, i have felt of late that the list is not an educational tool for myself if that is the case i shall leave.
 
You're not alone Cath, I'm the learner of all learners! There's plenty of people here who'll answer any of your (and my) questions.
From: "Jason Beer" To: Subject: aus-wx: Climate change every 2nd year? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:17:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On this subject of climate change. Based on non scientific studies. Basically living for 32 years. In the last 5-8 years I have noticed a pattern. Perhaps it is not totally accurate, that is what I want some more people to add comment. Summer seems to come later. I beleive it does not start until January in Melbourne. Or until July in Stockholm. Every 2nd year there is an extremely good summer. Hot. Ever other year it is bad. Cold. In fact it is either record or near record for both. This seems to hold true for the 5 - 8 years I have been living and observing Victorian and Swedish weather. Prior to that in Melbourne it did not seem to have a second yearly pattern. The above seems to work best for summer. But is relatively true for winter. But perhaps I notice it more in summer. Holidays and all. Can anyone else substantiate my hypothesis? Or shoot it down? thanks Jason +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:19:11 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser arrival X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Congratulations from HK! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Wx-Chase" , "Storm Track" , "Australian Weather Mailing List" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:42:53 -0500 Subject: aus-wx: New chaser arrival > Hey All, > > Just a quick word to let all our friends know that Liam Alexander Yole > arrived in the world at 10:52am, August 13, weighing 8lbs > 8oz. Both Mom and baby are doing okay, and expect to be home soon. > > Ironically, Liam was born during a thunderstorm at the time, so I think > this is a clear sign that he will be a future > chaser...hehehe > > PaulY (Extremely proud husband and daddy) > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:35:24 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well, that has certainly been through the world.std servers and therefore gone out to the whole list which must mean it is being stopped by a server between Australia and here where it gets deleted without a notice being sent to me. I shall have to take that up with the administrator of my ISP. It is the lines from "From: cadence..." to "Reply-to: aussie..." that get doctored by the virus. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:28:04 +1000 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document > List of headers in the email which I received on the list apparently > from > cadence (virus payload had been stripped by my ISP): > > Received: from europe.std.com (europe-e.std.com [192.74.137.10]) > by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31590 > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:04:09 +1000 (GMT+1000) > Received: (from daemon at localhost) > by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08280 > for aussie-weather-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:02:33 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls2.std.com [199.172.62.104]) > by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07724 > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:12 - 0400 > (EDT) > Received: from world.std.com (bdc at world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) > by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20904 > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:11 - 0400 > Received: from world.std.com (max1-41.voltage.net [208.189.4.62]) > by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA19194 > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:03 - 0400 > (EDT) > Message-Id: <200208130559.BAA19194 at world.std.com> > From: cadence > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Document > Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary=gosccvj > Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > X-UIDL: b9d10398f690067a44398dc2cf7e2663 > > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Smith > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:40 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > > > Tony, I never received the e-mail with the subject "Document" > purporting > to come from Jane via the list. > Although my virus detection program has been working overtime > intercepting viruses from elsewhere, none have come to me from the > list. > ... > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:37:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello Simon   
 
  
 
 Now to the word "mini", this term is a media beat up and should be banned from publication everywhere (in Weather related stories).
 
I can appreciate your thoughts on correctness but as was pointed out by John most tornadoes are small scale events,especially in Australia, and mini seems an appropriate description.
If the media only reported Australian tornadoes then the word mini probably would not be seen but the comparison is tornadoes from the US with damage tracks that can be photographed from satellites and powerful enough to spectacularly level trailer parks.
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
        
From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser arrival Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:01:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com CONGRATS & BEST WISHES!! Add another future storm chaser to the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Wx-Chase" ; "Storm Track" ; "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: aus-wx: New chaser arrival > Hey All, > > Just a quick word to let all our friends know that Liam Alexander Yole arrived in the world at 10:52am, August 13, weighing 8lbs > 8oz. Both Mom and baby are doing okay, and expect to be home soon. > > Ironically, Liam was born during a thunderstorm at the time, so I think this is a clear sign that he will be a future > chaser...hehehe > > PaulY (Extremely proud husband and daddy) > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:22:53 +1000 Organization: The Weather Co. X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
I disagree. Whether it's an F0 tornadic waterspout or an F5 'finger of God' it is still a tornado. The term 'mini' and the various other unpopular descriptions we are constantly talking about take away from that fact.
 
Andrew.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Chas & Helen Osborn
Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2002 8:38 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note...

I can appreciate your thoughts on correctness but as was pointed out by John most tornadoes are small scale events,especially in Australia, and mini seems an appropriate description.
If the media only reported Australian tornadoes then the word mini probably would not be seen but the comparison is tornadoes from the US with damage tracks that can be photographed from satellites and powerful enough to spectacularly level trailer parks.
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
       
X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.14] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:31:10 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 23:31:10.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[8157EC80:01C24321] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John, This is how I knew that the 'message' hadn't come from my computer......in the header the message doesn't show my ISP as the originating DNS regardless which 'email address' the virus says it has used. But it's definitely run riot through world.std.com. David & Jacob, is there anything that 'world' can do to help with these things? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- Well, that has certainly been through the world.std servers and therefore gone out to the whole list which must mean it is being stopped by a server between Australia and here where it gets deleted without a notice being sent to me. I shall have to take that up with the administrator of my ISP. It is the lines from "From: cadence..." to "Reply-to: aussie..." that get doctored by the virus. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:28:04 +1000 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document > List of headers in the email which I received on the list apparently > from > cadence (virus payload had been stripped by my ISP): > > Received: from europe.std.com (europe-e.std.com [192.74.137.10]) > by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31590 > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:04:09 +1000 (GMT+1000) > Received: (from daemon at localhost) > by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08280 > for aussie-weather-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:02:33 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls2.std.com [199.172.62.104]) > by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07724 > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:12 - 0400 > (EDT) > Received: from world.std.com (bdc at world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) > by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20904 > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:11 - 0400 > Received: from world.std.com (max1-41.voltage.net [208.189.4.62]) > by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA19194 > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:03 - 0400 > (EDT) > Message-Id: <200208130559.BAA19194 at world.std.com> > From: cadence > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Document > Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary=gosccvj > Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > X-UIDL: b9d10398f690067a44398dc2cf7e2663 > > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Smith > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:40 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > > > Tony, I never received the e-mail with the subject "Document" > purporting > to come from Jane via the list. > Although my virus detection program has been working overtime > intercepting viruses from elsewhere, none have come to me from the > list. > ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.14] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:50:46 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 23:50:47.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[3ECCFBA0:01C24324] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All, If this is what an F0 / maybe low F1 can do to a brand new building, is 'mini' an accurate descriptive term? http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Images2000/0910jon03.jpg from the report and more photos on the Milawa tornado....... http://www.stormchasers.au.com/09_09_00.htm Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com cadence0312 at hotmail.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- From: "Andrew Miskelly" Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:22:53 +1000 I disagree. Whether it's an F0 tornadic waterspout or an F5 'finger of God' it is still a tornado. The term 'mini' and the various other unpopular descriptions we are constantly talking about take away from that fact. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Chas & Helen Osborn Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2002 8:38 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... I can appreciate your thoughts on correctness but as was pointed out by John most tornadoes are small scale events,especially in Australia, and mini seems an appropriate description. If the media only reported Australian tornadoes then the word mini probably would not be seen but the comparison is tornadoes from the US with damage tracks that can be photographed from satellites and powerful enough to spectacularly level trailer parks. Chas Strahan Tasmania _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: "Aussie weather" Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:23:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Hello Andrew
 
Yes I agree a tornado should be called a tornado but "mini tornado" is what the general public (and this is who the media are talking to) understand as a small tornado  and not the F scale. .I would be disappointed if "mini tornado" is in a scientific description of a event.
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note...

I disagree. Whether it's an F0 tornadic waterspout or an F5 'finger of God' it is still a tornado. The term 'mini' and the various other unpopular descriptions we are constantly talking about take away from that fact.
 
Andrew.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Chas & Helen Osborn
Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2002 8:38 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note...

I can appreciate your thoughts on correctness but as was pointed out by John most tornadoes are small scale events,especially in Australia, and mini seems an appropriate description.
If the media only reported Australian tornadoes then the word mini probably would not be seen but the comparison is tornadoes from the US with damage tracks that can be photographed from satellites and powerful enough to spectacularly level trailer parks.
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
       
From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:48:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane, Yes I know what you mean, I am currently getting spam emails from myself which I did not send, they appear for all the world to have come from jrw at pixelcom.net, but when I trace them carefully they are actually originating from a DNS somewhere in Bulgaria. Regards, John W. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:31 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document John, This is how I knew that the 'message' hadn't come from my computer......in the header the message doesn't show my ISP as the originating DNS regardless which 'email address' the virus says it has used. But it's definitely run riot through world.std.com. David & Jacob, is there anything that 'world' can do to help with these things? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:38 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 00:51:38.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF2A2EF0:01C2432C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

After 4 years of participating in this list, first as a lurker, then as an occasional poster, I think a consensus has emerged that the USA is the home of the tornado.

As much as I abhor adopting US English, I think in this instance it is appropriate that the rest of the world follows their lead.

The question then is, does the US use the term mini tornado to describe small (only a relative term) tornados.  If they don't then I don't think we in Australia should use it.  If they do, well then it is appropriate to call small tornados mini tornados.

My 2 cents worth.

>From: "Chas & Helen Osborn"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: "Aussie weather"
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note...
>Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:23:28 +1000
>
>MessageHello Andrew
>
>Yes I agree a tornado should be called a tornado but "mini tornado" is what the general public (and this is who the media are talking to) understand as a small tornado and not the F scale. .I would be disappointed if "mini tornado" is in a scientific description of a event.
>
>Chas
>Strahan Tasmania
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Miskelly
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:22 AM
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note...
>
>
> I disagree. Whether it's an F0 tornadic waterspout or an F5 'finger of God' it is still a tornado. The term 'mini' and the various other unpopular descriptions we are constantly talking about take away from that fact.
>
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Chas & Helen Osborn
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2002 8:38 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note...
>
>
> I can appreciate your thoughts on correctness but as was pointed out by John most tornadoes are small scale events,especially in Australia, and mini seems an appropriate description.
> If the media only reported Australian tornadoes then the word mini probably would not be seen but the comparison is tornadoes from the US with damage tracks that can be photographed from satellites and powerful enough to spectacularly level trailer parks.
>
> Chas
> Strahan Tasmania
>


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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:57 +1000 From: Kevin Parkyn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 (CK-APCMag) X-Accept-Language: en-us To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Alright, I can't take it any more and I am forced to reply to a number of comments regarding the BoM and the Euroa tornado. A number of misconceptions surfaced from the flurry of emails about the perceived lack of Bureau response to the situation. As I currently run the sev wx section in Vic it is hard not to take these comments personally. Firstly, following the phone call from Jane, the 3-D radar (from Melbourne & Yarrawonga) was used to assess the vertical structure of the storm and an Advice was being formulated to be sent. The very next radar image that hit our machine showed a considerable reduction in storm intensity. Forecasting is as much about psyhcology as it is about understanding the dynamics of the atmosphere. Do you let your emotions take over and send a warning out regardless or do you make the best decision possible based on evidence and one's own conceptual models? In this case the decision to not send out the Advice was a good one. More to the point we had a well respected storm spotter on the ground able to contact us at any time if the storm or tornado redeveloped. This leads me to another misconception about the respect the BoM gives to storm chasers/spotters. I think the BoM has come along way from thinking that those people who chase storms are a bunch of 'nutters' that know very little about thunderstorm dynamics. This shift has benefited both parties and I am not ashamed to admit that some of the chasers know more about particular aspects of severe thunderstorms than myself. I think it is time that some of the respect was shown the other way. Lets face it, we share a mutual fascination of the weather. I am very passionate about what I do and wouldn't be doing anything else in the world - I love the weather. I wish I could 'talk shop' about the weather all day and spend time writing emails, however I simply don't have the time (but what about the golf- I wish!). As for not getting off my arse and undertaking a damage assessment - can you think of any reasons why this wasn't done? I can assure you there were several reasons in this case, not the least being the fact that we had chatted to Jane about whether it would be worth while (also communicating with the SES and local council). Personally I would have loved to get in a car and spend the day out in the country, however I had other pressing issues. I would firstly like to add that I do enjoy perusing the aussie weather list due to the nature of the discussion and in particular the reports of severe weather that filter through. I understand that some comments are written simply because people are driven to a frenzy by weather phemonena, consequently I will endeavour to sift through the less than positive comments to find those 'nuggets' of useful information and helpful critisism. Also a big thanks to Tony M for helping us out with the 'Seal Rocks' waterspout/tornado. Kevin Parkyn +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:44:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Chas,
 
I think the problem is that the Australian media in general simply have little idea what a Tornado is other than "something that only happens in the USA".  This is brought home by Channel 10's description of the Seal Rocks event last night as a "Freak storm".  There was of course nothing freak about it, but a fairly common act of nature which occurs thousands of times a year in Australia.
 
I think there can be little doubt that conditions over the great plains of the USA are such that severe thunderstorms and tornadic supercells occur with a much greater frequency at certain times of the year, than just about any other place on Earth.  (Not that the last storm season was much to write home about as it happens).  But the USA also gets large numbers of weak tornadoes, and also winter coldies such as SW W.A. and Vic gets.  I recall one a few years ago that struck Disneyland at Anaheim CA.
 
Australia certainly gets tornadoes large and strong enough to leave a damage path visible from satellite, fortunately not that often.  Australia also holds something of a record for one of the longest tornado damage paths recorded (some 280kms from memory). Bangladesh is another place known for severe tornadoes.  The most thunderstorm prone region on Earth is actually central Africa, but curiously I have never seen a tornado report from there.
 
Based on reported events around Sydney, it has been estimated that the Eastern States of Australia has a tornado frequency over area of about 20% that of central Oklahoma in the USA (Ref: Climates & Weather Explained, Edward Linacre and Bart Geerts).  This is considerably higher than many would suspect.  It is therefore only a matter of time before a really significant tornado (F4) hits a major population centre in Australia, which is a view backed up by other U.S. observers such as Chuck Doswell.
 
John.
>Snip

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Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:38 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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Hello Simon   
 
  
 
 Now to the word "mini", this term is a media beat up and should be banned from publication everywhere (in Weather related stories).
 
I can appreciate your thoughts on correctness but as was pointed out by John most tornadoes are small scale events,especially in Australia, and mini seems an appropriate description.
If the media only reported Australian tornadoes then the word mini probably would not be seen but the comparison is tornadoes from the US with damage tracks that can be photographed from satellites and powerful enough to spectacularly level trailer parks.
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
        
From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:53:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, This reply from Kevin confirms exactly what I was trying to convey in my email a while back, part of which copied once again below: >snip >Well folks, before we all climb on the bandwagon too much, lets keep in mind >that the BoM have access to tools such as 3d radar, undelayed lightning >tracker etc., and no doubt would be making their own estimation of storm >severity. I'm sure that if the thing looked like a tornadic supercell with >strong hail signatures, they would issue a warning. > >When it comes to coldies they are a bit tricky. They are short lived, weak, >and can be associated with relatively innocuous Cb's, e.g., would you expect >the BoM to issue a severe storm warning for a waterspout associated with a >modest Cu close to the coast, when there is no associated lightning activity >or radar signature worth noting? Yet such waterspouts have been known to >cause damage if they come ashore. > Well said Kevin, and wasn't the Seal Rocks event timely!!! John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Parkyn Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:52 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments Alright, I can't take it any more and I am forced to reply to a number of comments regarding the BoM and the Euroa tornado. A number of misconceptions surfaced from the flurry of emails about the perceived lack of Bureau response to the situation. As I currently run the sev wx section in Vic it is hard not to take these comments personally. Firstly, following the phone call from Jane, the 3-D radar (from Melbourne & Yarrawonga) was used to assess the vertical structure of the storm and an Advice was being formulated to be sent. The very next radar image that hit our machine showed a considerable reduction in storm intensity. Forecasting is as much about psyhcology as it is about understanding the dynamics of the atmosphere. Do you let your emotions take over and send a warning out regardless or do you make the best decision possible based on evidence and one's own conceptual models? In this case the decision to not send out the Advice was a good one. More to the point we had a well respected storm spotter on the ground able to contact us at any time if the storm or tornado redeveloped. This leads me to another misconception about the respect the BoM gives to storm chasers/spotters. I think the BoM has come along way from thinking that those people who chase storms are a bunch of 'nutters' that know very little about thunderstorm dynamics. This shift has benefited both parties and I am not ashamed to admit that some of the chasers know more about particular aspects of severe thunderstorms than myself. I think it is time that some of the respect was shown the other way. Lets face it, we share a mutual fascination of the weather. I am very passionate about what I do and wouldn't be doing anything else in the world - I love the weather. I wish I could 'talk shop' about the weather all day and spend time writing emails, however I simply don't have the time (but what about the golf- I wish!). As for not getting off my arse and undertaking a damage assessment - can you think of any reasons why this wasn't done? I can assure you there were several reasons in this case, not the least being the fact that we had chatted to Jane about whether it would be worth while (also communicating with the SES and local council). Personally I would have loved to get in a car and spend the day out in the country, however I had other pressing issues. I would firstly like to add that I do enjoy perusing the aussie weather list due to the nature of the discussion and in particular the reports of severe weather that filter through. I understand that some comments are written simply because people are driven to a frenzy by weather phemonena, consequently I will endeavour to sift through the less than positive comments to find those 'nuggets' of useful information and helpful critisism. Also a big thanks to Tony M for helping us out with the 'Seal Rocks' waterspout/tornado. 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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:55:54 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Seal Rocks 'Storm' Thread-Index: AcJCbDjcL3njRuTQRVG/DkggxrB80QAx71HQ From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 03:04:52.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BBD04B0:01C2433F] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id XAA22328 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Which general parts of Aussie have the highest incidence of moderate to severe storms (not including the TCs up north)? Particularly interested along the lines of seriou Cb (supercell) formation with its associated winds, downbursts and decent lightning displays (fork, not sheet). ie. Where (and what months) is it not advisable to go camping with metal tent poles and whilst wandering around in wet copper armour? Pete +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:55:54 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Seal Rocks 'Storm' Thread-Index: AcJCbDjcL3njRuTQRVG/DkggxrB80QAx71HQ From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 03:04:52.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BBD04B0:01C2433F] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id XAA22328 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Which general parts of Aussie have the highest incidence of moderate to severe storms (not including the TCs up north)? Particularly interested along the lines of seriou Cb (supercell) formation with its associated winds, downbursts and decent lightning displays (fork, not sheet). ie. Where (and what months) is it not advisable to go camping with metal tent poles and whilst wandering around in wet copper armour? Pete +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:22:21 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, k.parkyn at bom.gov.au Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin, Thanks for your comments - I'm sure that everyone on the list is very appreciative of them. I agree with some of your comments, we all have a mutual love and respect of weather. Sometimes those same feelings can roll over unintentionally into our emotions and ultimately effect the way that we behave and respond. Involved in our mutual passion ("our" including BoM employees, amateur spotters and enthusiasts and so forth), is a will do ensure that our community and country is as well protected and well prepared as possible for any type of events - including severe weather. During these times when emotions increase due to people's love of severe weather, certain things can be said that aren't quite intended or have been said the wrong way. I know that myself and I would suspect everyone on this list has a lot of respect for the Bureau. Many of these people on the list would like to one day join the Bureau (myself inclusive!) And perhaps there can be an over-keeness about to show your worth, and that once again can come out the wrong way. As you have also mentioned, the BoM-spotter/chaser relationship has come a long way over the years. I know that everyone I have spoken to is extremely grateful for how far this has come, and hopes that it continues to grow to become a mutually beneficial relationship, and ultimately one that makes our community a safer place (even if only from severe weather). The Bureau certainly has a very difficult task at hand - balancing public complacency with public risk. It's a fine balance and that makes your job at the Bureau that much more difficult. Not to mention the difficulties that are involved with the unpredictability of severe weather, especially in extremely dynamic regions such as Victoria where tornadoes and severe winds seemingly occur from the most unexpected and innocuous convective clouds. I certainly apologise for anything that I may have said in the emotions of all of this that has offended yourself, or any of your fellow colleagues at the Bureau. No offense or personal attacks were intended - in fact, I had hoped that one of my emails may have had some constructive comments and food for thought in them in regards to how some spotters may react if their reports were seemingly ignored (or at least those were their thoughts). Of course, myself and I'm sure many others would always report regardless because of our shared passion and love of weather. I hope that no damage has occurred to what has become a growing and strong relationship that has been beneficial to all involved due to this event. Once again I apologise for anything that I have said, and I'm sure that many others feel the same way. Believe me - the Bureau's efforts never go unappreciated or disrespected! Regards, Anthony Cornelius Kevin Parkyn wrote: > > Alright, I can't take it any more and I am forced to reply to a number > of comments regarding the BoM and the Euroa tornado. A number of > misconceptions surfaced from the flurry of emails about the perceived > lack of Bureau response to the situation. As I currently run the sev wx > section in Vic it is hard not to take these comments personally. > > Firstly, following the phone call from Jane, the 3-D radar (from > Melbourne & Yarrawonga) was used to assess the vertical structure of the > storm and an Advice was being formulated to be sent. The very next radar > image that hit our machine showed a considerable reduction in storm > intensity. > > Forecasting is as much about psyhcology as it is about understanding the > dynamics of the atmosphere. Do you let your emotions take over and send > a warning out regardless or do you make the best decision possible based > on evidence and one's own conceptual models? In this case the decision > to not send out the Advice was a good one. More to the point we had a > well respected storm spotter on the ground able to contact us at any > time if the storm or tornado redeveloped. > > This leads me to another misconception about the respect the BoM gives > to storm chasers/spotters. I think the BoM has come along way from > thinking that those people who chase storms are a bunch of 'nutters' > that know very little about thunderstorm dynamics. This shift has > benefited both parties and I am not ashamed to admit that some of the > chasers know more about particular aspects of severe thunderstorms than > myself. I think it is time that some of the respect was shown the other way. > > Lets face it, we share a mutual fascination of the weather. I am very > passionate about what I do and wouldn't be doing anything else in the > world - I love the weather. I wish I could 'talk shop' about the weather > all day and spend time writing emails, however I simply don't have the > time (but what about the golf- I wish!). > > As for not getting off my arse and undertaking a damage assessment - can > you think of any reasons why this wasn't done? I can assure you there > were several reasons in this case, not the least being the fact that we > had chatted to Jane about whether it would be worth while (also > communicating with the SES and local council). Personally I would have > loved to get in a car and spend the day out in the country, however I > had other pressing issues. > > I would firstly like to add that I do enjoy perusing the aussie weather > list due to the nature of the discussion and in particular the reports > of severe weather that filter through. I understand that some comments > are written simply because people are driven to a frenzy by weather > phemonena, consequently I will endeavour to sift through the less than > positive comments to find those 'nuggets' of useful information and > helpful critisism. > > Also a big thanks to Tony M for helping us out with the 'Seal Rocks' > waterspout/tornado. > > Kevin Parkyn > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: shell01.TheWorld.com: dhart owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:35:48 -0400 From: David Hart To: aussie-weather at world.std.com cc: mls-owner at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm forwarding this with the headers from the original headers to the folks at the world. I suspect that there is nothing that can be done. If I had my way we'd strip all the messages of attachments, but that's never going to happen. Because the message appeared to come from a subscribed address, it was able to pass through the system and on to the list There are viruses, or trojans that search hard drives for e-mail addresses and mail more viruses to those addresses, often spoofing other real e-mail addresses. At the software company I work for, close to half the messages we get are viruses. We have good antivirus software that scans all incoming and outgoing e-mail messages. On all of my computers I have a-v software from another vendor that scans all incoming and outgoing messages, plus it updates it'self every night, and scans all the disks on my workstations. The company software scans all the network drives at night. So far we've caught all the viruses before they became a problem. Viruses have become a fact of internet live. You need to have good anti-virus software, keep it updated, and unless you really know what you are doing, I recomend staying away from Outlook. David Hart -- Here are the headers: >From cadence at stormchasers.au.com Tue Aug 13 22:10:10 2002 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26985 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:13:00 -0400 Received: (from daemon at localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08280 for aussie-weather-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls2.std.com [199.172.62.104]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07724 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com (bdc at world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20904 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:11 -0400 Received: from world.std.com (max1-41.voltage.net [208.189.4.62]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA19194 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200208130559.BAA19194 at world.std.com> From: cadence To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Document Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=gosccvj Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ellGTGTimes New RomanSymbol ArialTimes New Roman U]c7KNormalaADefault Paragraph FontFMicrosoft Word 6 DocumentMSWordDoc9q
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Jane ONeill wrote: > John, > > This is how I knew that the 'message' hadn't come from my computer......in > the header the message doesn't show my ISP as the originating DNS regardless > which 'email address' the virus says it has used. But it's definitely run > riot through world.std.com. > > David & Jacob, is there anything that 'world' can do to help with these > things? > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > Well, that has certainly been through the world.std servers and therefore > gone out to the whole list which must mean it is being stopped by a > server between Australia and here where it gets deleted without a notice > being sent to me. I shall have to take that up with the administrator of > my ISP. > It is the lines from "From: cadence..." to "Reply-to: aussie..." that get > doctored by the virus. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "John Woodbridge" > To: > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:28:04 +1000 > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document > > > List of headers in the email which I received on the list apparently > > from > > cadence (virus payload had been stripped by my ISP): > > > > Received: from europe.std.com (europe-e.std.com [192.74.137.10]) > > by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31590 > > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:04:09 +1000 (GMT+1000) > > Received: (from daemon at localhost) > > by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08280 > > for aussie-weather-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:02:33 -0400 (EDT) > > Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls2.std.com [199.172.62.104]) > > by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07724 > > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:12 - > 0400 > > (EDT) > > Received: from world.std.com (bdc at world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) > > by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20904 > > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:11 - > 0400 > > Received: from world.std.com (max1-41.voltage.net [208.189.4.62]) > > by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA19194 > > for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:03 - > 0400 > > (EDT) > > Message-Id: <200208130559.BAA19194 at world.std.com> > > From: cadence > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: aus-wx: Document > > Date: Tue,13 Aug 2002 01:11:19 PM > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary=gosccvj > > Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > Precedence: list > > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > X-UIDL: b9d10398f690067a44398dc2cf7e2663 > > > > >snip > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Smith > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:40 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document > > > > > > Tony, I never received the e-mail with the subject "Document" > > purporting > > to come from Jane via the list. > > Although my virus detection program has been working overtime > > intercepting viruses from elsewhere, none have come to me from the > > list. > > ... > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.10.72.217] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:51:52 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 02:51:53.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B810630:01C2433D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well done to the BoM for keeping their heads and sticking to the guns. Not everyone in our lovely country knows the weather as good as the majority of us weather enthusisusts and sometimes they need to keep it simple. The Euroa Tornado, and resent thunderstorms (Not the usual run of the mill winter cold Cells) is/are a good example to me that our climate is changing, and perhaps we may see more Tornados in the near future and let us hope they remain only little ones and not grow up into their Deadly American cousins. Keep up the good work BoM, most of us chasers/Storm Spotters Luv Ya cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: Anthony Cornelius >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, k.parkyn at bom.gov.au >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:22:21 +1000 > >Hi Kevin, > >Thanks for your comments - I'm sure that everyone on the list is very >appreciative of them. I agree with some of your comments, we all have a >mutual love and respect of weather. Sometimes those same feelings can >roll over unintentionally into our emotions and ultimately effect the >way that we behave and respond. Involved in our mutual passion ("our" >including BoM employees, amateur spotters and enthusiasts and so forth), >is a will do ensure that our community and country is as well protected >and well prepared as possible for any type of events - including severe >weather. During these times when emotions increase due to people's love >of severe weather, certain things can be said that aren't quite intended >or have been said the wrong way. > >I know that myself and I would suspect everyone on this list has a lot >of respect for the Bureau. Many of these people on the list would like >to one day join the Bureau (myself inclusive!) And perhaps there can be >an over-keeness about to show your worth, and that once again can come >out the wrong way. > >As you have also mentioned, the BoM-spotter/chaser relationship has come >a long way over the years. I know that everyone I have spoken to is >extremely grateful for how far this has come, and hopes that it >continues to grow to become a mutually beneficial relationship, and >ultimately one that makes our community a safer place (even if only from >severe weather). The Bureau certainly has a very difficult task at hand >- balancing public complacency with public risk. It's a fine balance >and that makes your job at the Bureau that much more difficult. Not to >mention the difficulties that are involved with the unpredictability of >severe weather, especially in extremely dynamic regions such as Victoria >where tornadoes and severe winds seemingly occur from the most >unexpected and innocuous convective clouds. > >I certainly apologise for anything that I may have said in the emotions >of all of this that has offended yourself, or any of your fellow >colleagues at the Bureau. No offense or personal attacks were intended >- in fact, I had hoped that one of my emails may have had some >constructive comments and food for thought in them in regards to how >some spotters may react if their reports were seemingly ignored (or at >least those were their thoughts). Of course, myself and I'm sure many >others would always report regardless because of our shared passion and >love of weather. > >I hope that no damage has occurred to what has become a growing and >strong relationship that has been beneficial to all involved due to this >event. Once again I apologise for anything that I have said, and I'm >sure that many others feel the same way. > >Believe me - the Bureau's efforts never go unappreciated or >disrespected! > >Regards, > >Anthony Cornelius > >Kevin Parkyn wrote: > > > > Alright, I can't take it any more and I am forced to reply to a number > > of comments regarding the BoM and the Euroa tornado. A number of > > misconceptions surfaced from the flurry of emails about the perceived > > lack of Bureau response to the situation. As I currently run the sev wx > > section in Vic it is hard not to take these comments personally. > > > > Firstly, following the phone call from Jane, the 3-D radar (from > > Melbourne & Yarrawonga) was used to assess the vertical structure of the > > storm and an Advice was being formulated to be sent. The very next radar > > image that hit our machine showed a considerable reduction in storm > > intensity. > > > > Forecasting is as much about psyhcology as it is about understanding the > > dynamics of the atmosphere. Do you let your emotions take over and send > > a warning out regardless or do you make the best decision possible based > > on evidence and one's own conceptual models? In this case the decision > > to not send out the Advice was a good one. More to the point we had a > > well respected storm spotter on the ground able to contact us at any > > time if the storm or tornado redeveloped. > > > > This leads me to another misconception about the respect the BoM gives > > to storm chasers/spotters. I think the BoM has come along way from > > thinking that those people who chase storms are a bunch of 'nutters' > > that know very little about thunderstorm dynamics. This shift has > > benefited both parties and I am not ashamed to admit that some of the > > chasers know more about particular aspects of severe thunderstorms than > > myself. I think it is time that some of the respect was shown the other >way. > > > > Lets face it, we share a mutual fascination of the weather. I am very > > passionate about what I do and wouldn't be doing anything else in the > > world - I love the weather. I wish I could 'talk shop' about the weather > > all day and spend time writing emails, however I simply don't have the > > time (but what about the golf- I wish!). > > > > As for not getting off my arse and undertaking a damage assessment - can > > you think of any reasons why this wasn't done? I can assure you there > > were several reasons in this case, not the least being the fact that we > > had chatted to Jane about whether it would be worth while (also > > communicating with the SES and local council). Personally I would have > > loved to get in a car and spend the day out in the country, however I > > had other pressing issues. > > > > I would firstly like to add that I do enjoy perusing the aussie weather > > list due to the nature of the discussion and in particular the reports > > of severe weather that filter through. I understand that some comments > > are written simply because people are driven to a frenzy by weather > > phemonena, consequently I will endeavour to sift through the less than > > positive comments to find those 'nuggets' of useful information and > > helpful critisism. > > > > Also a big thanks to Tony M for helping us out with the 'Seal Rocks' > > waterspout/tornado. > > > > Kevin Parkyn > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser arrival Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:45:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Congrats to you and your wife from the "Bussy's". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Wx-Chase" ; "Storm Track" ; "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:42 AM Subject: aus-wx: New chaser arrival > Hey All, > > Just a quick word to let all our friends know that Liam Alexander Yole arrived in the world at 10:52am, August 13, weighing 8lbs > 8oz. Both Mom and baby are doing okay, and expect to be home soon. > > Ironically, Liam was born during a thunderstorm at the time, so I think this is a clear sign that he will be a future > chaser...hehehe > > PaulY (Extremely proud husband and daddy) > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:19:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 05:20:08.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[41364490:01C24352] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Kevin for taking the time to reply. As AC has said we are most appreciative of the comments made. I Apologise for any comments i made that may have hurt you and the BoM in general, that was not my intention. Cheers Simon Angell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Parkyn" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments > Alright, I can't take it any more and I am forced to reply to a number > of comments regarding the BoM and the Euroa tornado. A number of > misconceptions surfaced from the flurry of emails about the perceived > lack of Bureau response to the situation. As I currently run the sev wx > section in Vic it is hard not to take these comments personally. > > Firstly, following the phone call from Jane, the 3-D radar (from > Melbourne & Yarrawonga) was used to assess the vertical structure of the > storm and an Advice was being formulated to be sent. The very next radar > image that hit our machine showed a considerable reduction in storm > intensity. > > Forecasting is as much about psyhcology as it is about understanding the > dynamics of the atmosphere. Do you let your emotions take over and send > a warning out regardless or do you make the best decision possible based > on evidence and one's own conceptual models? In this case the decision > to not send out the Advice was a good one. More to the point we had a > well respected storm spotter on the ground able to contact us at any > time if the storm or tornado redeveloped. > > This leads me to another misconception about the respect the BoM gives > to storm chasers/spotters. I think the BoM has come along way from > thinking that those people who chase storms are a bunch of 'nutters' > that know very little about thunderstorm dynamics. This shift has > benefited both parties and I am not ashamed to admit that some of the > chasers know more about particular aspects of severe thunderstorms than > myself. I think it is time that some of the respect was shown the other way. > > Lets face it, we share a mutual fascination of the weather. I am very > passionate about what I do and wouldn't be doing anything else in the > world - I love the weather. I wish I could 'talk shop' about the weather > all day and spend time writing emails, however I simply don't have the > time (but what about the golf- I wish!). > > As for not getting off my arse and undertaking a damage assessment - can > you think of any reasons why this wasn't done? I can assure you there > were several reasons in this case, not the least being the fact that we > had chatted to Jane about whether it would be worth while (also > communicating with the SES and local council). Personally I would have > loved to get in a car and spend the day out in the country, however I > had other pressing issues. > > I would firstly like to add that I do enjoy perusing the aussie weather > list due to the nature of the discussion and in particular the reports > of severe weather that filter through. I understand that some comments > are written simply because people are driven to a frenzy by weather > phemonena, consequently I will endeavour to sift through the less than > positive comments to find those 'nuggets' of useful information and > helpful critisism. > > Also a big thanks to Tony M for helping us out with the 'Seal Rocks' > waterspout/tornado. > > Kevin Parkyn > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: aus-wx: Climate change Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:51:18 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com David wrote > I trust Ken, as self appointed expert on climate change you will share with > us.. and > ..it is impossible to argue that the globe is not warming.. I think this sort of comment is unkind and unhelpful for purposes of debate. I submit the following points. 1. Surface-based temperatures are not, in the eyes of many, as reliable as those that are satellite-based, and the warming figure from satellite data is only 0.06 of 1 degC for the last century, less than would be expected from natural fluctuation. (ref: science at nasa.com) 2. "The latest NASA report of July 2002 concludes that lower tropospheric data has again failed to show any warming trend when averaged over the entire Earth, and in fact the lower stratospheric data shows a significant cooling trend.." (ref: http://wwwghcc.msfc,nasa.gov/temperature/) 3. The latest graphs published by the CRU (Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the Univ. of East Anglia, Norwich, England) show that since the high temp level of 1998 temperatures have DROPPED in the Northern Hemisphere: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/n17.htm , in the Southern Hemisphere: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/s17.htm , and globally: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/g17.htm 4. Data from tree rings etc - has been called out of date and too localised. There are more up-to-date studies. One might want to look at globalwarming.org 5. The IPCC has been accused by its OWN scientists of altering commissioned scientific reports and producing politically biased policy documents, deleting "natural fluctuation" and substituting "human activity" throughout the texts. This has become widely known as the IPCC Chapter 8 Scandal. If anyone wants refs. to that debate, look up johndaly.com 6. I am not alone in believing that only satellite data hacks it. Otherwise why are we developing a satellite technology? To give meteorologists something to ignore? That's my bit and I suggest we stick to the science and avoid attacks on personalities. regards Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jones" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: aus-wx: climate change. > I trust Ken, as self appointed expert on climate change you will share with > us the poll which shows that "Most top climatologists in the US" still deny > there is any appreciable global warming problem. Given that the surface, > satellite, sea surface temperature, upper altitude pressure observations, > glacial cores, tree rings, sea height, radio-sonde balloon flights, high > altitude and latitude tree lines, coral cores, bore hole records etc etc etc > all show a consistent warming of around 0.1C per decade sustained over the > last ~50+ years it is impossible to argue that the globe is not warming. > > The expert opinion on this matter is that of the IPCC whose contributors > include the famous climate skeptics. The 4th assessment report quite > unambiguously attributes recent climate change (at least in part) to human > activity. > > Regards, > > David > > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:46:49 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Climate change X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com When I studied long term climate patterns around 45 years ago, I do not recall there then being any "global warming" debate. What I do recall was a discussion on the previous so-called "Ice Ages" which were millennia rather than years in length and out of the last of which the earth was supposedly still emerging. There was a general acceptance that there ought to be a very gradual warming of climates world-wide and that when we had kept temperature records for another fifty or hundred years we ought to be seeing a gradual rise in temperatures world-wide. Now - is all this current debate about "global warming" fired off by a more rapid rate of warming compared with what the scientists of years ago were expecting to happen anyway, or is it just a measurement of that already-expected warming being used to scare everybody now? From what I understood from my studies years ago, the earth was destined to become warmer regardless of what men did about it. Thus even if we closed all factories, scrapped all our vehicles and used horses and carts and lived off the vegies we grew in our own back yards, the earth would still continue to gradually get warmer whether we liked it or not. Is there anyone else on the list who remembers this discussion from the 1950s? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:51:18 +1200 Subject: aus-wx: Climate change > David wrote > > I trust Ken, as self appointed expert on climate change you will > share > with > > us.. > and > > ..it is impossible to argue that the globe is not warming.. > > I think this sort of comment is unkind and unhelpful for purposes of > debate. > I submit the following points. > > 1. Surface-based temperatures are not, in the eyes of many, as reliable > as > those that are satellite-based, and the warming figure from satellite > data > is only 0.06 of 1 degC for the last century, less than > would be expected from natural fluctuation. (ref: science at nasa.com) > > 2. "The latest NASA report of July 2002 concludes that lower > tropospheric > data > has again failed to show any warming trend when averaged over the > entire > Earth, and in fact the lower stratospheric data shows a significant > cooling > trend.." > (ref: http://wwwghcc.msfc,nasa.gov/temperature/) > > 3. The latest graphs published by the CRU (Climate Research Unit (CRU) > of > the > Univ. of East Anglia, Norwich, England) show that since the high temp > level > of 1998 temperatures have DROPPED in the Northern Hemisphere: > http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/n17.htm , in the > Southern > Hemisphere: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/s17.htm , > and > globally: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/g17.htm > > 4. Data from tree rings etc - has been called out of date and too > localised. There are more up-to-date studies. One might want to look at > globalwarming.org > > 5. The IPCC has been accused by its OWN scientists of altering > commissioned > scientific reports and producing politically biased policy documents, > deleting "natural fluctuation" and substituting "human activity" > throughout > the texts. This has become widely known as the IPCC Chapter 8 Scandal. > If > anyone wants refs. to that debate, look up johndaly.com > > 6. I am not alone in believing that only satellite data hacks it. > Otherwise > why > are we developing a satellite technology? To give meteorologists > something > to ignore? > > That's my bit and I suggest we stick to the science and avoid attacks > on > personalities. > regards > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Jones" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:44 AM > Subject: aus-wx: climate change. > > > > I trust Ken, as self appointed expert on climate change you will > share > with > > us the poll which shows that "Most top climatologists in the US" > still > deny > > there is any appreciable global warming problem. Given that the > surface, > > satellite, sea surface temperature, upper altitude pressure > observations, > > glacial cores, tree rings, sea height, radio-sonde balloon flights, > high > > altitude and latitude tree lines, coral cores, bore hole records etc > etc > etc > > all show a consistent warming of around 0.1C per decade sustained > over the > > last ~50+ years it is impossible to argue that the globe is not > warming. > > > > The expert opinion on this matter is that of the IPCC whose > contributors > > include the famous climate skeptics. The 4th assessment report quite > > unambiguously attributes recent climate change (at least in part) to > human > > activity. > > > > Regards, > > > > David > > > > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:56:03 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ive been updating my vet every day as a matter of course, reinforced even moreso by whats been happening in the last couple of days, i only got the one virus email (so far), and it didnt infect, i have 54 files that vet cant open, should i just leave them or what should i do, i know this is off topic but it affects the whole group and we can't stick our heads in the sand over this, your right dale, we each need to jump in and sort this out on our computers but we need to talk to each other too, to everyone who chipped in, thank you all very much for your help. good luck everyone. regards richard modistach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Small" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's > Obviously it is about time that everyone on this list has a thorough check > of their systems. > Programmers are getting a lot smarter in how these things propgate i do know > that much. > > It just goes to show. > C'mon folks, lets nail this on the head before it causes a lot more > heartbreak. > > Regards > Dale > > > > > From: "Carolyn" > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:36:34 +1000 > To: > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's > > > I received this today and am not sure what to make of it: > FROM: , TO: > - mail.netcentral.com.au detected the > Exploit-MIME.gen.exe virus in this email. The virus was Cleaned. . > > This is is suppose to have been sent by Jane.......... > > Things are not looking too good re viruses > > Carolyn > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus alert Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:42:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 08:50:35.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7A626B0:01C2436F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think the top of the towers on Mt D is 680m Jane.....but not 100% sure. I can't remember where I read that - it may've even been in my Melways (or "refidex" for the Brisbaneites who need a translation). Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus alert > Thanks Jimmy, > > so maybe there's something in what David Carroll said last night..... > > BTW, if you are interested in installing a patch that will help combat these > viruses, and you have IE6.0 (NOT IE 5.0) this patch can be downloaded from > here... > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q316059 > and click on the link Q321232 just above the word SUMMARY. > > Melbourne Wx: currently 4.5C on Mt Dandenong - which I've discovered, is > 561m ASL not 502m as I had previously thought. > > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > Hi guys, > > On a similar note, please do not send e-mails to Jane suggesting that she > has a virus as she has done everything and it has come back clean. She is > currently being bombarded by people e-mailing her at the moment. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 05:48 PM 13/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I am not trying to start any conversations re viruses and get feedback > >about virus checkers and professional ways to deal with it etc. Do any of > >that type of research offline or on websites or appropriate forums related > >to virus checking. But what I would like suggest is that one or more on > >this list must have a virus as the aussie-weather list e-mail was send to > >me infected - I think 2 of them with a virus being picked up. > > > >So please, do check your systems and do not open any files that contain > >rubbish. If you have outlook express, be somewhat extra careful with the > >way the program is set up to read e-mails. Definitely, do not open > >attachments. I make a rule that nothing is opened on my system. Of course, > >make sure you have a virus checker that is updated daily in terms of > >updated files sent to the virus checker. > > > >Cheers > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Jimmy Deguara > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > >from > >Schofields, Sydney > >NSW Australia > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:49:54 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Document Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 09:31 AM 14/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >David & Jacob, is there anything that 'world' can do to help with these >things? Stripping off non text attachments would stop these things... Depends if the list software can handle this. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:04:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 09:12:58.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[C839D040:01C24372] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Kevin, BoM and all, I too feel I should apologise for my initial email - upon re-reading it it was rather scathing. As Anthony and others have said, in the emotion of the whole situation my email was written in the completely wrong context (note - it was written in the wrong context - not read in the wrong context - this is important to clairfy). My email should've been written with a much more subjective tone rather than objective tone (and perhaps not even in a public forum such as this list). Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing (i think) and if I could write the email again it would take on a whole different tone. Your thoughts on the matter are greatly appreciated Kevin as is your and the BoM's continued support of the Victorian storm spotters network. Kind Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Angell To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments > Thanks Kevin for taking the time to reply. As AC has said we are most > appreciative of the comments made. > I Apologise for any comments i made that may have hurt you and the BoM in > general, that was not my intention. > > Cheers > Simon Angell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Parkyn" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:51 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Euroa tornado - BoM comments > > > > Alright, I can't take it any more and I am forced to reply to a number > > of comments regarding the BoM and the Euroa tornado. A number of > > misconceptions surfaced from the flurry of emails about the perceived > > lack of Bureau response to the situation. As I currently run the sev wx > > section in Vic it is hard not to take these comments personally. > > > > Firstly, following the phone call from Jane, the 3-D radar (from > > Melbourne & Yarrawonga) was used to assess the vertical structure of the > > storm and an Advice was being formulated to be sent. The very next radar > > image that hit our machine showed a considerable reduction in storm > > intensity. > > > > Forecasting is as much about psyhcology as it is about understanding the > > dynamics of the atmosphere. Do you let your emotions take over and send > > a warning out regardless or do you make the best decision possible based > > on evidence and one's own conceptual models? In this case the decision > > to not send out the Advice was a good one. More to the point we had a > > well respected storm spotter on the ground able to contact us at any > > time if the storm or tornado redeveloped. > > > > This leads me to another misconception about the respect the BoM gives > > to storm chasers/spotters. I think the BoM has come along way from > > thinking that those people who chase storms are a bunch of 'nutters' > > that know very little about thunderstorm dynamics. This shift has > > benefited both parties and I am not ashamed to admit that some of the > > chasers know more about particular aspects of severe thunderstorms than > > myself. I think it is time that some of the respect was shown the other > way. > > > > Lets face it, we share a mutual fascination of the weather. I am very > > passionate about what I do and wouldn't be doing anything else in the > > world - I love the weather. I wish I could 'talk shop' about the weather > > all day and spend time writing emails, however I simply don't have the > > time (but what about the golf- I wish!). > > > > As for not getting off my arse and undertaking a damage assessment - can > > you think of any reasons why this wasn't done? I can assure you there > > were several reasons in this case, not the least being the fact that we > > had chatted to Jane about whether it would be worth while (also > > communicating with the SES and local council). Personally I would have > > loved to get in a car and spend the day out in the country, however I > > had other pressing issues. > > > > I would firstly like to add that I do enjoy perusing the aussie weather > > list due to the nature of the discussion and in particular the reports > > of severe weather that filter through. I understand that some comments > > are written simply because people are driven to a frenzy by weather > > phemonena, consequently I will endeavour to sift through the less than > > positive comments to find those 'nuggets' of useful information and > > helpful critisism. > > > > Also a big thanks to Tony M for helping us out with the 'Seal Rocks' > > waterspout/tornado. > > > > Kevin Parkyn > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:20:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Might sound funny but, forward them to a friend who had a different checker and try that??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Modistach" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's > ive been updating my vet every day as a matter of course, reinforced even > moreso by whats been happening in the last couple of days, i only got the > one virus email (so far), and it didnt infect, i have 54 files that vet cant > open, should i just leave them or what should i do, i know this is off topic > but it affects the whole group and we can't stick our heads in the sand over > this, your right dale, we each need to jump in and sort this out on our > computers but we need to talk to each other too, to everyone who chipped in, > thank you all very much for your help. good luck everyone. > > regards > richard modistach > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Small" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's > > > > Obviously it is about time that everyone on this list has a thorough check > > of their systems. > > Programmers are getting a lot smarter in how these things propgate i do > know > > that much. > > > > It just goes to show. > > C'mon folks, lets nail this on the head before it causes a lot more > > heartbreak. > > > > Regards > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > From: "Carolyn" > > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:36:34 +1000 > > To: > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Off Topic - Virus's > > > > > > I received this today and am not sure what to make of it: > > FROM: , TO: > > - mail.netcentral.com.au detected the > > Exploit-MIME.gen.exe virus in this email. The virus was Cleaned. . > > > > This is is suppose to have been sent by Jane.......... > > > > Things are not looking too good re viruses > > > > Carolyn > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:09:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Pete You will probably get several points of view. I would say that the highest incidence of your supercell storm would be from about the Hunter River up the coast to about Bundaberg, but falling rapidly after that, and also the tablelands and western slopes of most the eastern seaboard up again to under the tropics. Bear in mind that storms in Australia don't get classified as severe for lightning frequency alone. Therefore many of the tropic storms like Darwin's which may be intense electrically are classed non severe. Nor are they supercells. Oct - Feb are the best months for severe storms, but they can occur anywhere at anytime. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete McGhee" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? > Hi all, > > Which general parts of Aussie have the highest incidence of moderate to > severe storms (not including the TCs up north)? > > Particularly interested along the lines of seriou Cb (supercell) > formation with its associated winds, downbursts and decent lightning > displays (fork, not sheet). > > ie. Where (and what months) is it not advisable to go camping with metal > tent poles and whilst wandering around in wet copper armour? > > Pete > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: aus-wx: Copper Armour? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:11:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I can't help myself. Why are you wandering around in a copper armour? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete McGhee" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? > Hi all, > > Which general parts of Aussie have the highest incidence of moderate to > severe storms (not including the TCs up north)? > > Particularly interested along the lines of seriou Cb (supercell) > formation with its associated winds, downbursts and decent lightning > displays (fork, not sheet). > > ie. Where (and what months) is it not advisable to go camping with metal > tent poles and whilst wandering around in wet copper armour? > > Pete > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser arrival Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:50:35 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com heartiest of congrats' paul regards richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Wx-Chase" ; "Storm Track" ; "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:12 AM Subject: aus-wx: New chaser arrival > Hey All, > > Just a quick word to let all our friends know that Liam Alexander Yole arrived in the world at 10:52am, August 13, weighing 8lbs > 8oz. Both Mom and baby are doing okay, and expect to be home soon. > > Ironically, Liam was born during a thunderstorm at the time, so I think this is a clear sign that he will be a future > chaser...hehehe > > PaulY (Extremely proud husband and daddy) > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Peter Matters" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser arrival Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:35:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, Congrats to the three of you!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best Wishes. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Modistach To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser arrival > heartiest of congrats' paul > > regards > richard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Yole" > To: "Wx-Chase" ; "Storm Track" > ; "Australian Weather Mailing List" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:12 AM > Subject: aus-wx: New chaser arrival > > > > Hey All, > > > > Just a quick word to let all our friends know that Liam Alexander Yole > arrived in the world at 10:52am, August 13, weighing 8lbs > > 8oz. Both Mom and baby are doing okay, and expect to be home soon. > > > > Ironically, Liam was born during a thunderstorm at the time, so I think > this is a clear sign that he will be a future > > chaser...hehehe > > > > PaulY (Extremely proud husband and daddy) > > > > Paul Yole > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:11:58 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Hi Chas,
 
Sorry mate, but I'm gonna *have* to disagree also ( the coin landed on ' tails'  :)
 
The "general public" (& I'm one of them also) will end up accepting whatever term the media chooses to continually use. If the media chooses to use the term "mini" then the public will learn the associate that term with a tornado. But if the media changed to the F scale (like that will ever happen) the public would learn that too. I mean it's only another scale. People accept temperature, wind, barometric pressure & rainfall as a scaled measurement, why not tornadoes? The media reports earthquakes using the Richter scale & don't refer to one as a "mini earthquake" (maybe a "small tremor" but usually accompanied with a Richter scale measurement). 
 
My thoughts anyway...
:)
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Hello Andrew
 
Yes I agree a tornado should be called a tornado but "mini tornado" is what the general public (and this is who the media are talking to) understand as a small tornado  and not the F scale. .I would be disappointed if "mini tornado" is in a scientific description of a event.
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser arrival Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:26:01 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, Congratulations! Best wishes to you, your wife & your new bundle of joy. :) Regs. Paul. (Stargazer) http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:24:59 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Copper Armour? X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I just couldn't resist ... is it perhaps a special armour to keep coppers away if your chasing requires you to have a bigger number on your speedo than you see on those signs with the red circles round 'em alongside the road? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Bussy" To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:11:32 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Copper Armour? > I can't help myself. Why are you wandering around in a copper armour? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete McGhee" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:55 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? > > > > Hi all, > > > > Which general parts of Aussie have the highest incidence of moderate > to > > severe storms (not including the TCs up north)? > > > > Particularly interested along the lines of seriou Cb (supercell) > > formation with its associated winds, downbursts and decent lightning > > displays (fork, not sheet). > > > > ie. Where (and what months) is it not advisable to go camping with > metal > > tent poles and whilst wandering around in wet copper armour? > > > > Pete > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:36:53 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good Evening all... I have read with interest the recent comments on this list by Kevin Parkyn in resonse to comments made by various people regarding the BoM response to the Euroa event and by David Jones in response to comments by Ken Ring. Regrettably, in both cases there has been a level of aggression in the resonses which would indicate a level of sensitive to criticism normally only reversed for those unsure of their facts or not confident in their responses. I am not aware of the Euroa event other than what I read on this list so I would not attempt to comment on the meteorology of the day. Nevertheless, it appeared to me that at least some level of resonse to the initial information could have been given by the BoM considering the number and type of responses often supplied in so many inocuous situations at other times. Following the Sydney hail storm of 1999, the BoM went totally into self protection mode rather than admitting an error and looking for ways to reduce such errors in the future. If that had been the case, a longer lead in warning might have been provided for at least three of the severe weather events in Sydney last summer instead of having the first warnings issued at the time of storm development. The issue of unnecessary warnings is a problem and it is good to see Kevin aware of this. It will be interesting to see if this concern persists through the coming season or was just a useful excuse on this occasion. I agree the psychology of warnings is very important. Please tell that to the NSW Severe Weather guys.... I have one large new car dealership which has wasted a fortune because every time they hear the word "hail"in a warning theye think "April 99" and shut down the business for some hours. This comes about because the wording in NSW is the same for all warnings. It is good to know the respect storm spotters have for the BoM and that this respect is mutual. I believe not all storm spotters are competent... and not all BoM forecasters are competent. An incompetent storm informer would soon be "weeded out" and ignored. An incompenent forecaster is.... probably still forecasting without redress. I was led to believe that David Williams, a previous employee of the BoM analysed accuracy of forecasts based on who was the Senior forecaster on the shift and found some very interesting results. For his trouble, he left the Bureau. ( I believe to get some sort of empirical result he used max/min temp forecasts). I can understand David Jones' frustrations with Ken Ring. Ken's ability to show a forecst is correct defies logic on occasions. However, the dismissive way David rejects his comments on global warming were a little concerning. I have yet to be convinced that (1) global warming - tasking into account all different data bases - can be shown to be significant or (2) that temp variations around the world can be shown to be largely man induced rather than just influenced. I realise in the US that Government (or University) employed climatologists strongly favour such occurrences and that many of the private ones may have clients interests at heart when putting forward alternative theories but if a greater understanding of what is happening in the atmosphere is going to occur, then it will come through reasoned agruemnts that are factually informative rather than dismissive. So, let's cut the grovelling. Mutual respect comes from an acceptance of all views points or from a reasoned and structured reply pointing out the problems. It also comes from admitting we all make errors of judgement. I might have made one by writing this. Cheers, Don White +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:48:01 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:11 PM 14/08/2002 +0930, you wrote: >The "general public" (& I'm one of them also) will end up accepting >whatever term the media chooses to continually use. If the media chooses >to use the term "mini" then the public will learn the associate that term >with a tornado. But if the media changed to the F scale (like that will >ever happen) the public would learn that too. I mean it's only another >scale. People accept temperature, wind, barometric pressure & rainfall as >a scaled measurement, why not tornadoes? The media reports earthquakes >using the Richter scale & don't refer to one as a "mini earthquake" (maybe >a "small tremor" but usually accompanied with a Richter scale measurement). Sounds like a good idea to me. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:13:36 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes, I too think media reports should give the F rating of a tornado. That does require someone who knows how to survey the damage and relate it to the F scale to visit the site and give it a rating. Maybe ASWA should consider training lots of their members to do this so they can get there quickly to check it out, as BoM personnel cannot always drop what they're doing to do so as was pointed out in Kevin's e-mail. The BoM could also give such training to their network of registered storm- spotters. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:48:01 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... > At 08:11 PM 14/08/2002 +0930, you wrote: > > >The "general public" (& I'm one of them also) will end up accepting > >whatever term the media chooses to continually use. If the media > chooses > >to use the term "mini" then the public will learn the associate that > term > >with a tornado. But if the media changed to the F scale (like that > will > >ever happen) the public would learn that too. I mean it's only another > >scale. People accept temperature, wind, barometric pressure & rainfall > as > >a scaled measurement, why not tornadoes? The media reports earthquakes > >using the Richter scale & don't refer to one as a "mini earthquake" > (maybe > >a "small tremor" but usually accompanied with a Richter scale > measurement). > > Sounds like a good idea to me. :) > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Copper Armour? Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:25:11 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Copper Armour? Thread-Index: AcJDvS6zsKjJMgSiQgeA1Du5dh3MIwAEpfyg From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 21:03:32.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C196B50:01C243D6] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id RAA09248 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It was a misquote from the author Terry Prachett... "...He attracts bad luck like someone standing on top a hill in a thunderstorm, clad in wet copper armour, shouting, "all Gods are b***rds" attracts lightning..." Please note this is a direct quote and if any deities are reading, I hope no offence is taken (especially the ones that control decent lightning displays :) P (And I _like_ Phil's definition of "copper Armour" :) -----Original Message----- From: Bussy [mailto:bussie at netc.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2002 22:12 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Copper Armour? I can't help myself. Why are you wandering around in a copper armour? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete McGhee" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? > Hi all, > > Which general parts of Aussie have the highest incidence of moderate to > severe storms (not including the TCs up north)? > > Particularly interested along the lines of seriou Cb (supercell) > formation with its associated winds, downbursts and decent lightning > displays (fork, not sheet). > > ie. Where (and what months) is it not advisable to go camping with metal > tent poles and whilst wandering around in wet copper armour? > > Pete > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:37:01 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? Thread-Index: AcJDvSu4j8L1eNOQS0mdFeDlDOXWIAAFArKQ From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 21:03:40.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[10AEF900:01C243D6] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id RAA09253 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Michael, I can start planning my holiday now :) Pete (Currently fed up with months of stratoform cloud & associated boring steady rain) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Thompson [mailto:thunder at ozthunder.com] Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2002 22:09 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? Hi Pete You will probably get several points of view. I would say that the highest incidence of your supercell storm would be from about the Hunter River up the coast to about Bundaberg, but falling rapidly after that, and also the tablelands and western slopes of most the eastern seaboard up again to under the tropics. Bear in mind that storms in Australia don't get classified as severe for lightning frequency alone. Therefore many of the tropic storms like Darwin's which may be intense electrically are classed non severe. Nor are they supercells. Oct - Feb are the best months for severe storms, but they can occur anywhere at anytime. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete McGhee" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: aus-wx: Q: Storm Freq. in Aus? > Hi all, > > Which general parts of Aussie have the highest incidence of moderate to > severe storms (not including the TCs up north)? > > Particularly interested along the lines of seriou Cb (supercell) > formation with its associated winds, downbursts and decent lightning > displays (fork, not sheet). > > ie. Where (and what months) is it not advisable to go camping with metal > tent poles and whilst wandering around in wet copper armour? > > Pete > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:20:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Hello Everyone
 
 
The "general public" (& I'm one of them also) will end up accepting whatever term the media chooses to continually use. If the media chooses to use the term "mini" then the public will learn the associate that term with a tornado. But if the media changed to the F scale (like that will ever happen) the public would learn that too. I mean it's only another scale. People accept temperature, wind, barometric pressure & rainfall as a scaled measurement, why not tornadoes? The media reports earthquakes using the Richter scale & don't refer to one as a "mini earthquake" (maybe a "small tremor" but usually accompanied with a Richter scale measurement). 
 
 
The F scale would be fine if there was a F instrument but the F scale relies on competent observation of the event or damage assessment after the event. Tornadoes occur twice a year for a given place in Australia and are observed less often by competent observers - this is why we get so excited when one is photographed and documented by members on this list - so the F scale does not work here. 
 
 
 
If this is what an F0 / maybe low F1 can do to a brand new building, is
'mini' an accurate descriptive term?
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Images2000/0910jon03.jpg

Yes I do believe mini is appropriate because what we are looking at in the photograph is a farm shed that has lost its roof (the building code on sheds are less than houses this is why sheds cannot be built in some cyclone prone areas of Australia because they turn into missiles) and this is consistent with small (mini, F0/F1) tornado damage. Every year we see this sort of damage to houses from mini tornadoes between Fremantle and Mandurah in WA.
I am shure if asked the general public would understand they would lose the roof of their house or sustain substantial damage if it was hit by a mini tornado or mini cyclone and this is the message the media gives.
 
Chas
 
Strahan Tasmania
From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:32:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
What you are saying is then is that any F0/F1 tornado is in fact not a tornado but some undefined meteorological event called a mini-tornado.  I totally reject that.  I also suggest that if you were standing in that shed when it got hit, you wouldn't be thinking mini-anything.
 
John,
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Hello Everyone
 
 
The "general public" (& I'm one of them also) will end up accepting whatever term the media chooses to continually use. If the media chooses to use the term "mini" then the public will learn the associate that term with a tornado. But if the media changed to the F scale (like that will ever happen) the public would learn that too. I mean it's only another scale. People accept temperature, wind, barometric pressure & rainfall as a scaled measurement, why not tornadoes? The media reports earthquakes using the Richter scale & don't refer to one as a "mini earthquake" (maybe a "small tremor" but usually accompanied with a Richter scale measurement). 
 
 
The F scale would be fine if there was a F instrument but the F scale relies on competent observation of the event or damage assessment after the event. Tornadoes occur twice a year for a given place in Australia and are observed less often by competent observers - this is why we get so excited when one is photographed and documented by members on this list - so the F scale does not work here. 
 
 
 
If this is what an F0 / maybe low F1 can do to a brand new building, is
'mini' an accurate descriptive term?
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Images2000/0910jon03.jpg

Yes I do believe mini is appropriate because what we are looking at in the photograph is a farm shed that has lost its roof (the building code on sheds are less than houses this is why sheds cannot be built in some cyclone prone areas of Australia because they turn into missiles) and this is consistent with small (mini, F0/F1) tornado damage. Every year we see this sort of damage to houses from mini tornadoes between Fremantle and Mandurah in WA.
I am shure if asked the general public would understand they would lose the roof of their house or sustain substantial damage if it was hit by a mini tornado or mini cyclone and this is the message the media gives.
 
Chas
 
Strahan Tasmania
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Public and F-Scales Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:00:11 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& asmall note... Thread-Index: AcJDvTHQcpvQ+KQERLeEY142gsjGGAAOETPA From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 03:23:45.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[29E6B630:01C2440B] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id XAA24538 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There could be a danger there of Joe-Public starting to report observations of damaging winds (either vortices or straight-line gusts) and assigning their own perception of the F-Scale(more than likely to be several magnitudes greater than actual), which would render the data suspect. Currently a public report would come in with descriptions such as, "Three of my cows were blown out of the paddock and into a nearby poplar tree" or, "I can't find my house" but more likely something in the order of, "I've lost the tiles off my roof, and the big old Oak outside has been uprooted and moved 15metres". Which at least gives a reasonably unsubjective value to the damage report. ...What we need is to extend the Beaufort Scale (There's a name you don't hear too much nowadays) up to about 38 or so (38 being equal to F5 or "It's raining cows and Oak trees and I can't find my house/neighbourhood!" ) Pete -Stuck in a windowless office :( -----Original Message----- From: Phil Smith [mailto:SmithP at ics.edu.hk] Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:14 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& asmall note... Yes, I too think media reports should give the F rating of a tornado. That does require someone who knows how to survey the damage and relate it to the F scale to visit the site and give it a rating. Maybe ASWA should consider training lots of their members to do this so they can get there quickly to check it out, as BoM personnel cannot always drop what they're doing to do so as was pointed out in Kevin's e-mail. The BoM could also give such training to their network of registered storm- spotters. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:48:01 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... > At 08:11 PM 14/08/2002 +0930, you wrote: > > >The "general public" (& I'm one of them also) will end up accepting > >whatever term the media chooses to continually use. If the media > chooses > >to use the term "mini" then the public will learn the associate that > term > >with a tornado. But if the media changed to the F scale (like that > will > >ever happen) the public would learn that too. I mean it's only another > >scale. People accept temperature, wind, barometric pressure & rainfall > as > >a scaled measurement, why not tornadoes? The media reports earthquakes > >using the Richter scale & don't refer to one as a "mini earthquake" > (maybe > >a "small tremor" but usually accompanied with a Richter scale > measurement). > > Sounds like a good idea to me. :) > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Mini tornadoes.....GRRRRRRRR Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:43:55 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 01:43:55.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[376359C0:01C243FD] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I agree John. It's not just the mini-tornado term that really annoys me, it's also the fact that the media calls them totally incorrect things like mini-cyclones!!! The media has the power to educate people. This is a prime example of how they are mis-educating! I think it's downright dangerous that people have this misconception that tornadoes don't occur in Australia. I've spoken to MANY people, and got onto the subject of storm chasing and weather, and they think I'm totally wrong and stupid when I talk about tornadoes in Australia. If people go around with this misconception, then when tornado (and storm) warnings are issued (as was the case here in Melbourne!) they think that it's all a joke, and the media doesn't broadcast them, or if they do, people don't care about them, and think "oh, that must be wrong. We don't get tornadoes in Australia". By that, they put themselves at risk of property damage, personal injury or even DEATH! It's been proven time and time again that we do get VERY LARGE tornadoes (F5!), and tornado numbers in Australia may be similar to the US! Something needs to be done about this issue Liam >From: "John Woodbridge" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& >a small note... >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:32:17 +1000 > >MessageWhat you are saying is then is that any F0/F1 tornado is in fact not >a tornado but some undefined meteorological event called a mini-tornado. I >totally reject that. I also suggest that if you were standing in that shed >when it got hit, you wouldn't be thinking mini-anything. > >John, > >snip >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Chas & Helen >Osborn >Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:21 AM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& >a small note... > > > Hello Everyone > > > The "general public" (& I'm one of them also) will end up accepting >whatever term the media chooses to continually use. If the media chooses to >use the term "mini" then the public will learn the associate that term with >a tornado. But if the media changed to the F scale (like that will ever >happen) the public would learn that too. I mean it's only another scale. >People accept temperature, wind, barometric pressure & rainfall as a scaled >measurement, why not tornadoes? The media reports earthquakes using the >Richter scale & don't refer to one as a "mini earthquake" (maybe a "small >tremor" but usually accompanied with a Richter scale measurement). > > > The F scale would be fine if there was a F instrument but the F scale >relies on competent observation of the event or damage assessment after the >event. Tornadoes occur twice a year for a given place in Australia and are >observed less often by competent observers - this is why we get so excited >when one is photographed and documented by members on this list - so the F >scale does not work here. > > > > If this is what an F0 / maybe low F1 can do to a brand new building, is > 'mini' an accurate descriptive term? > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Images2000/0910jon03.jpg > > Yes I do believe mini is appropriate because what we are looking at in >the >photograph is a farm shed that has lost its roof (the building code on >sheds >are less than houses this is why sheds cannot be built in some cyclone >prone >areas of Australia because they turn into missiles) and this is consistent >with small (mini, F0/F1) tornado damage. Every year we see this sort of >damage to houses from mini tornadoes between Fremantle and Mandurah in WA. > I am shure if asked the general public would understand they would lose >the roof of their house or sustain substantial damage if it was hit by a >mini tornado or mini cyclone and this is the message the media gives. > > Chas > > Strahan Tasmania _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "W.A. \(Bill\) Webb" To: "Wx Aus" Subject: aus-wx: Fw: Climate Change Impacts on the Cairns Region Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:49:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi List, Thought this may be of interest to some - especially in the light of recent discussion. 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Chas

I don't buy this 'general public will accept what the media choose to call it' argument.

One example to counter this argument comes to mind.

For years the psychological condition of split personality was known in the popular media as being synonymous with schizophrenia.  Of course it is nothing of the sort.  Gradually, through education by subject matter experts and educational bodies, the media and the general public have come to realise that schizpophrenics do not suffer from split personalities.

So I don't think we need to necessarily fall into line behind what the media chooses to call something. 

>From: "John Woodbridge"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note...
>Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:32:17 +1000
>
>MessageWhat you are saying is then is that any F0/F1 tornado is in fact not
>a tornado but some undefined meteorological event called a mini-tornado. I
>totally reject that. I also suggest that if you were standing in that shed
>when it got hit, you wouldn't be thinking mini-anything.
>
>John,
> >snip
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Chas & Helen
>Osborn
>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:21 AM
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...&
>a small note...
>
>
> Hello Everyone
>
>
> The "general public" (& I'm one of them also) will end up accepting
>whatever term the media chooses to continually use. If the media chooses to
>use the term "mini" then the public will learn the associate that term with
>a tornado. But if the media changed to the F scale (like that will ever
>happen) the public would learn that too. I mean it's only another scale.
>People accept temperature, wind, barometric pressure & rainfall as a scaled
>measurement, why not tornadoes? The media reports earthquakes using the
>Richter scale & don't refer to one as a "mini earthquake" (maybe a "small
>tremor" but usually accompanied with a Richter scale measurement).
>
>
> The F scale would be fine if there was a F instrument but the F scale
>relies on competent observation of the event or damage assessment after the
>event. Tornadoes occur twice a year for a given place in Australia and are
>observed less often by competent observers - this is why we get so excited
>when one is photographed and documented by members on this list - so the F
>scale does not work here.
>
>
>
> If this is what an F0 / maybe low F1 can do to a brand new building, is
> 'mini' an accurate descriptive term?
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Images2000/0910jon03.jpg
>
> Yes I do believe mini is appropriate because what we are looking at in the
>photograph is a farm shed that has lost its roof (the building code on sheds
>are less than houses this is why sheds cannot be built in some cyclone prone
>areas of Australia because they turn into missiles) and this is consistent
>with small (mini, F0/F1) tornado damage. Every year we see this sort of
>damage to houses from mini tornadoes between Fremantle and Mandurah in WA.
> I am shure if asked the general public would understand they would lose
>the roof of their house or sustain substantial damage if it was hit by a
>mini tornado or mini cyclone and this is the message the media gives.
>
> Chas
>
> Strahan Tasmania


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:56:14 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Chas, One thing to remember...when the media calls something a "mini-tornado" they are simply using it as a metaphor, and not a descriptive term. Similar to "mini-cyclone" - it's a metaphor to make it sound more attractive. "Mini-tornado" and "mini-cyclone" both sound better than "severe winds" or "strong winds" etc...it makes it sound more dramatic. I would much rather the media adopt the F-scale, or something else. Such as "weak/strong/violent" tornado. Keep in mind, in 1992, the media called the F3 Maryborough tornado and F4 (yes confirmed F4 by the BoM!) Bucca tornado both "mini-tornadoes." Regardless whether an F4 is 50m wide or 500m wide...nothing mini about an F4! -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:15:31 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 05:15:31.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6D7B8E0:01C2441A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Don et al

In defence of David J, I too can understand his frustration.  Ken denies global warming is a fact, yet most or nearly all off the evidence strongly and inevitably leads one to the conclusion that it is a fact.  Do retreating glaciers indicate the world is cooling down?  It seems the stardard of proof Ken requires is beyond 'beyond reasonable doubt', yet he asks us to accept the proposal that rainfall in Marla, 400-500 km south of Alice Springs is evidence of rain in the Alice Springs area.



 

>From: Don White
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: Aussie Weather
>Subject: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity
>Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:36:53 +1000
>
>Good Evening all...
>
>I have read with interest the recent comments on this list by Kevin
>Parkyn in resonse to comments made by various people regarding the BoM
>response to the Euroa event and by David Jones in response to comments
>by Ken Ring.
>Regrettably, in both cases there has been a level of aggression in the
>resonses which would indicate a level of sensitive to criticism
>normally only reversed for those unsure of their facts or not confident
>in their responses.
>I am not aware of the Euroa event other than what I read on this list so
>I would not attempt to comment on the meteorology of the day.
>Nevertheless, it appeared to me that at least some level of resonse to
>the initial information could have been given by the BoM considering the
>number and type of responses often supplied in so many inocuous
>situations at other times. Following the Sydney hail storm of 1999, the
>BoM went totally into self protection mode rather than admitting an
>error and looking for ways to reduce such errors in the future. If that
>had been the case, a longer lead in warning might have been provided for
>at least three of the severe weather events in Sydney last summer
>instead of having the first warnings issued at the time of storm
>development.
>The issue of unnecessary warnings is a problem and it is good to see
>Kevin aware of this. It will be interesting to see if this concern
>persists through the coming season or was just a useful excuse on this
>occasion.
>I agree the psychology of warnings is very important. Please tell that
>to the NSW Severe Weather guys.... I have one large new car dealership
>which has wasted a fortune because every time they hear the word
>"hail"in a warning theye think "April 99" and shut down the business for
>some hours. This comes about because the wording in NSW is the same for
>all warnings.
>It is good to know the respect storm spotters have for the BoM and that
>this respect is mutual. I believe not all storm spotters are
>competent... and not all BoM forecasters are competent. An incompetent
>storm informer would soon be "weeded out" and ignored. An incompenent
>forecaster is.... probably still forecasting without redress.
>I was led to believe that David Williams, a previous employee of the
>BoM analysed accuracy of forecasts based on who was the Senior
>forecaster on the shift and found some very interesting results. For his
>trouble, he left the Bureau. ( I believe to get some sort of empirical
>result he used max/min temp forecasts).
>
>I can understand David Jones' frustrations with Ken Ring. Ken's ability
>to show a forecst is correct defies logic on occasions. However, the
>dismissive way David rejects his comments on global warming were a
>little concerning. I have yet to be convinced that (1) global warming -
>tasking into account all different data bases - can be shown to be
>significant or (2) that temp variations around the world can be shown to
>be largely man induced rather than just influenced. I realise in the US
>that Government (or University) employed climatologists strongly favour
>such occurrences and that many of the private ones may have clients
>interests at heart when putting forward alternative theories but if a
>greater understanding of what is happening in the atmosphere is going to
>occur, then it will come through reasoned agruemnts that are factually
>informative rather than dismissive.
>
>So, let's cut the grovelling. Mutual respect comes from an acceptance of
>all views points or from a reasoned and structured reply pointing out
>the problems. It also comes from admitting we all make errors of
>judgement.
>I might have made one by writing this.
>
>
>Cheers,
>Don White
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From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:13:40 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Woo hoo Goodness me, there is much sensitivity out there to ideas other than the norm! If I got the rainfall wrong, or rather, out by 400 miles, then I stand corrected. I did my best with the materials I had to work with(old newspapers and a desk calculator). I appreciate being put right on the matter. To reply re global warming, , each time a newspaper prints anything about glaciers they seem to forget the extensive work that has been going on concerning underground and undersea thermal activities. The fact is, NZ and Norway are very tectonically active, and these subterranean hot vents, called Black Smokeys by vulcanologists, affect glaciers that are above them, causing advance/recede cycles that so far have not been worked out. Nothing to do with man's activities and greenhouse gases. And I have to repeat, what evidence for GW? All we have is what appears to have happened in the past. The absurdity is that climatologists/meteorologists admit to not being able to predict weather for more than 5 days ahead, which gives them a good out for not warning people in good time of calamities; yet at the same time they claim to be able to comment on climate/weather patterns 50 years ahead re-global warming predictions. There is a total lack of logic here..Please explain Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Don et al In defence of David J, I too can understand his frustration. Ken denies global warming is a fact, yet most or nearly all off the evidence strongly and inevitably leads one to the conclusion that it is a fact. Do retreating glaciers indicate the world is cooling down? It seems the stardard of proof Ken requires is beyond 'beyond reasonable doubt', yet he asks us to accept the proposal that rainfall in Marla, 400-500 km south of Alice Springs is evidence of rain in the Alice Springs area. >From: Don White >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: Aussie Weather >Subject: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:36:53 +1000 > >Good Evening all... > >I have read with interest the recent comments on this list by Kevin >Parkyn in resonse to comments made by various people regarding the BoM >response to the Euroa event and by David Jones in response to comments >by Ken Ring. >Regrettably, in both cases there has been a level of aggression in the >resonses which would indicate a level of sensitive to criticism >normally only reversed for those unsure of their facts or not confident >in their responses. >I am not aware of the Euroa event other than what I read on this list so >I would not attempt to comment on the meteorology of the day. >Nevertheless, it appeared to me that at least some level of resonse to >the initial information could have been given by the BoM considering the >number and type of responses often supplied in so many inocuous >situations at other times. Following the Sydney hail storm of 1999, the >BoM went totally into self protection mode rather than admitting an >error and looking for ways to reduce such errors in the future. If that >had been the case, a longer lead in warning might have been provided for >at least three of the severe weather events in Sydney last summer >instead of having the first warnings issued at the time of storm >development. >The issue of unnecessary warnings is a problem and it is good to see >Kevin aware of this. It will be interesting to see if this concern >persists through the coming season or was just a useful excuse on this >occasion. >I agree the psychology of warnings is very important. Please tell that >to the NSW Severe Weather guys.... I have one large new car dealership >which has wasted a fortune because every time they hear the word >"hail"in a warning theye think "April 99" and shut down the business for >some hours. This comes about because the wording in NSW is the same for >all warnings. >It is good to know the respect storm spotters have for the BoM and that >this respect is mutual. I believe not all storm spotters are >competent... and not all BoM forecasters are competent. An incompetent >storm informer would soon be "weeded out" and ignored. An incompenent >forecaster is.... probably still forecasting without redress. >I was led to believe that David Williams, a previous employee of the >BoM analysed accuracy of forecasts based on who was the Senior >forecaster on the shift and found some very interesting results. For his >trouble, he left the Bureau. ( I believe to get some sort of empirical >result he used max/min temp forecasts). > >I can understand David Jones' frustrations with Ken Ring. Ken's ability >to show a forecst is correct defies logic on occasions. However, the >dismissive way David rejects his comments on global warming were a >little concerning. I have yet to be convinced that (1) global warming - >tasking into account all different data bases - can be shown to be >significant or (2) that temp variations around the world can be shown to >be largely man induced rather than just influenced. I realise in the US >that Government (or University) employed climatologists strongly favour >such occurrences and that many of the private ones may have clients >interests at heart when putting forward alternative theories but if a >greater understanding of what is happening in the atmosphere is going to >occur, then it will come through reasoned agruemnts that are factually >informative rather than dismissive. > >So, let's cut the grovelling. Mutual respect comes from an acceptance of >all views points or from a reasoned and structured reply pointing out >the problems. It also comes from admitting we all make errors of >judgement. >I might have made one by writing this. > > >Cheers, >Don White > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au-------------------------- ---- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:11:34 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 07:11:34.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD08C200:01C2442A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

I may be playing out of my league or I may be stating the bl**din' obvious, but Mets/Climatologists have adduced a broad global warming trend in the past, which most now accept, and they have for some time been making projections into the future, based on that trend.  Who knows what other cycles overlay this, which may lead to global cooling/heating!?  Within the past week alone I've listened to some neurophysiologist with an interest in the weather tentatively predict the next ice age could be imminent and heard about another scientist, who supposedly beat all comers to predict the current drought, saying we could be about to enter a period of increased global rainfall!  Speculation abounds.

We all know he day to day variations in weather are hard to predict, and as a believer in global warming, I'd say harder to predict than the direction of future global temperature change - notwithstanding this, the met profession's ability to predict accurately within the short time frame has improved markedly, though in recent times.

I just don't see how caution and lack of 100% accuracy in relation day to day forecasting somehow disqualifies a profession credibility in relation to future projections (always qualified) about climate, based on historical trends and cause-effect relationships between elevated levels of CO2, Ozone etc and increased temperatures.

>From: "Ken Ring"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity
>Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:13:40 +1200
>
>Woo hoo
>Goodness me, there is much sensitivity out there to ideas other than the
>norm!
>If I got the rainfall wrong, or rather, out by 400 miles, then I stand
>corrected. I did my best with the materials I had to work with(old
>newspapers and a desk calculator). I appreciate being put right on the
>matter.
>To reply re global warming, , each time a newspaper prints anything about
>glaciers they seem to forget the extensive work that has been going on
>concerning underground and undersea thermal activities. The fact is, NZ and
>Norway are very tectonically active, and these subterranean hot vents,
>called Black Smokeys by vulcanologists, affect glaciers that are above them,
>causing advance/recede cycles that so far have not been worked out. Nothing
>to do with man's activities and greenhouse gases.
>And I have to repeat, what evidence for GW? All we have is what appears to
>have happened in the past. The absurdity is that
>climatologists/meteorologists admit to not being able to predict weather for
>more than 5 days ahead, which gives them a good out for not warning people
>in good time of calamities; yet at the same time they claim to be able to
>comment on climate/weather patterns 50 years ahead re-global warming
>predictions. There is a total lack of logic here..Please explain
>Ken
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: michael king
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:15 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity
>
>
>Don et al
>In defence of David J, I too can understand his frustration. Ken denies
>global warming is a fact, yet most or nearly all off the evidence strongly
>and inevitably leads one to the conclusion that it is a fact. Do retreating
>glaciers indicate the world is cooling down? It seems the stardard of proof
>Ken requires is beyond 'beyond reasonable doubt', yet he asks us to accept
>the proposal that rainfall in Marla, 400-500 km south of Alice Springs is
>evidence of rain in the Alice Springs area.
>
>
>
> >From: Don White
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: Aussie Weather
> >Subject: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity
> >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:36:53 +1000
> >
> >Good Evening all...
> >
> >I have read with interest the recent comments on this list by Kevin
> >Parkyn in resonse to comments made by various people regarding the BoM
> >response to the Euroa event and by David Jones in response to comments
> >by Ken Ring.
> >Regrettably, in both cases there has been a level of aggression in the
> >resonses which would indicate a level of sensitive to criticism
> >normally only reversed for those unsure of their facts or not confident
> >in their responses.
> >I am not aware of the Euroa event other than what I read on this list so
> >I would not attempt to comment on the meteorology of the day.
> >Nevertheless, it appeared to me that at least some level of resonse to
> >the initial information could have been given by the BoM considering the
> >number and type of responses often supplied in so many inocuous
> >situations at other times. Following the Sydney hail storm of 1999, the
> >BoM went totally into self protection mode rather than admitting an
> >error and looking for ways to reduce such errors in the future. If that
> >had been the case, a longer lead in warning might have been provided for
> >at least three of the severe weather events in Sydney last summer
> >instead of having the first warnings issued at the time of storm
> >development.
> >The issue of unnecessary warnings is a problem and it is good to see
> >Kevin aware of this. It will be interesting to see if this concern
> >persists through the coming season or was just a useful excuse on this
> >occasion.
> >I agree the psychology of warnings is very important. Please tell that
> >to the NSW Severe Weather guys.... I have one large new car dealership
> >which has wasted a fortune because every time they hear the word
> >"hail"in a warning theye think "April 99" and shut down the business for
> >some hours. This comes about because the wording in NSW is the same for
> >all warnings.
> >It is good to know the respect storm spotters have for the BoM and that
> >this respect is mutual. I believe not all storm spotters are
> >competent... and not all BoM forecasters are competent. An incompetent
> >storm informer would soon be "weeded out" and ignored. An incompenent
> >forecaster is.... probably still forecasting without redress.
> >I was led to believe that David Williams, a previous employee of the
> >BoM analysed accuracy of forecasts based on who was the Senior
> >forecaster on the shift and found some very interesting results. For his
> >trouble, he left the Bureau. ( I believe to get some sort of empirical
> >result he used max/min temp forecasts).
> >
> >I can understand David Jones' frustrations with Ken Ring. Ken's ability
> >to show a forecst is correct defies logic on occasions. However, the
> >dismissive way David rejects his comments on global warming were a
> >little concerning. I have yet to be convinced that (1) global warming -
> >tasking into account all different data bases - can be shown to be
> >significant or (2) that temp variations around the world can be shown to
> >be largely man induced rather than just influenced. I realise in the US
> >that Government (or University) employed climatologists strongly favour
> >such occurrences and that many of the private ones may have clients
> >interests at heart when putting forward alternative theories but if a
> >greater understanding of what is happening in the atmosphere is going to
> >occur, then it will come through reasoned agruemnts that are factually
> >informative rather than dismissive.
> >
> >So, let's cut the grovelling. Mutual respect comes from an acceptance of
> >all views points or from a reasoned and structured reply pointing out
> >the problems. It also comes from admitting we all make errors of
> >judgement.
> >I might have made one by writing this.
> >
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Don White
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X-Originating-IP: [203.220.169.135] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: 1982 v. 2002 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:15:24 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 07:15:24.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[8621CDC0:01C2442B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, Just had an interesting conversation with some locals here as to whether this year has actually been drier (to date) than 1982 here in Wycheproof (Vic.) I didn't have any data (having only lived here for 16 years) but felt that our 111 mm to August 15 might nearly be less than what they measured in the big drought year of 1982. This is probably only answerable by someone with access to BoM records (Blair? ) but although there seems to be much more moisture around this year cf. 1982 it doesn't seem to have hit the ground! My question: What was the total rainfall for Wycheproof to the end of August 1982? If it's less than 111 mm. (I'm assuming that there'll be no significant falls in the next fortnight - a reasonable assumption based on current patterns :(( ) then I'll be keen to know. Cheers, Kevin from (where else?) Wycheproof. P.S. If Sydney BoM's response to Apr. '99's hailstorm of "...try not to repeat the mistake in the future..." is an inappropriate response, then I'm all wrong about my theories of education. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:42:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'll try and explain that Ken. It is all to do with the time constant of the process being examined. Daily weather is highly dynamic and influenced strongly by the day/night heating/cooling cycle, thus you could say that the time constant is about 6 hours, in that you normally can expect a considerable shift in temperatures, wind direction, humidity, etc in that time. Given such a dynamic process, it is obviously difficult to predict with precision what the weather will be much more than a few days ahead. One can of course take an educated stab at it based upon time of year, evolving weather patterns, local SST's, lunar influences, etc., but that is all it is. The climate on the other hand is a process with time constants that may be anything from 12 months to several thousand years, i.e., you do not expect climate change to be a highly dynamic process but one that will only be evident in long term averaged trends. Given an observation of such a trend then it is reasonable to predict that the trend is likely to continue for quite some time given the time constants involved. Regards, John W. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:14 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Woo hoo Goodness me, there is much sensitivity out there to ideas other than the norm! If I got the rainfall wrong, or rather, out by 400 miles, then I stand corrected. I did my best with the materials I had to work with(old newspapers and a desk calculator). I appreciate being put right on the matter. To reply re global warming, , each time a newspaper prints anything about glaciers they seem to forget the extensive work that has been going on concerning underground and undersea thermal activities. The fact is, NZ and Norway are very tectonically active, and these subterranean hot vents, called Black Smokeys by vulcanologists, affect glaciers that are above them, causing advance/recede cycles that so far have not been worked out. Nothing to do with man's activities and greenhouse gases. And I have to repeat, what evidence for GW? All we have is what appears to have happened in the past. The absurdity is that climatologists/meteorologists admit to not being able to predict weather for more than 5 days ahead, which gives them a good out for not warning people in good time of calamities; yet at the same time they claim to be able to comment on climate/weather patterns 50 years ahead re-global warming predictions. There is a total lack of logic here..Please explain Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Don et al In defence of David J, I too can understand his frustration. Ken denies global warming is a fact, yet most or nearly all off the evidence strongly and inevitably leads one to the conclusion that it is a fact. Do retreating glaciers indicate the world is cooling down? It seems the stardard of proof Ken requires is beyond 'beyond reasonable doubt', yet he asks us to accept the proposal that rainfall in Marla, 400-500 km south of Alice Springs is evidence of rain in the Alice Springs area. >From: Don White >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: Aussie Weather >Subject: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:36:53 +1000 > >Good Evening all... > >I have read with interest the recent comments on this list by Kevin >Parkyn in resonse to comments made by various people regarding the BoM >response to the Euroa event and by David Jones in response to comments >by Ken Ring. >Regrettably, in both cases there has been a level of aggression in the >resonses which would indicate a level of sensitive to criticism >normally only reversed for those unsure of their facts or not confident >in their responses. >I am not aware of the Euroa event other than what I read on this list so >I would not attempt to comment on the meteorology of the day. >Nevertheless, it appeared to me that at least some level of resonse to >the initial information could have been given by the BoM considering the >number and type of responses often supplied in so many inocuous >situations at other times. Following the Sydney hail storm of 1999, the >BoM went totally into self protection mode rather than admitting an >error and looking for ways to reduce such errors in the future. If that >had been the case, a longer lead in warning might have been provided for >at least three of the severe weather events in Sydney last summer >instead of having the first warnings issued at the time of storm >development. >The issue of unnecessary warnings is a problem and it is good to see >Kevin aware of this. It will be interesting to see if this concern >persists through the coming season or was just a useful excuse on this >occasion. >I agree the psychology of warnings is very important. Please tell that >to the NSW Severe Weather guys.... I have one large new car dealership >which has wasted a fortune because every time they hear the word >"hail"in a warning theye think "April 99" and shut down the business for >some hours. This comes about because the wording in NSW is the same for >all warnings. >It is good to know the respect storm spotters have for the BoM and that >this respect is mutual. I believe not all storm spotters are >competent... and not all BoM forecasters are competent. An incompetent >storm informer would soon be "weeded out" and ignored. An incompenent >forecaster is.... probably still forecasting without redress. >I was led to believe that David Williams, a previous employee of the >BoM analysed accuracy of forecasts based on who was the Senior >forecaster on the shift and found some very interesting results. For his >trouble, he left the Bureau. ( I believe to get some sort of empirical >result he used max/min temp forecasts). > >I can understand David Jones' frustrations with Ken Ring. Ken's ability >to show a forecst is correct defies logic on occasions. However, the >dismissive way David rejects his comments on global warming were a >little concerning. I have yet to be convinced that (1) global warming - >tasking into account all different data bases - can be shown to be >significant or (2) that temp variations around the world can be shown to >be largely man induced rather than just influenced. I realise in the US >that Government (or University) employed climatologists strongly favour >such occurrences and that many of the private ones may have clients >interests at heart when putting forward alternative theories but if a >greater understanding of what is happening in the atmosphere is going to >occur, then it will come through reasoned agruemnts that are factually >informative rather than dismissive. > >So, let's cut the grovelling. Mutual respect comes from an acceptance of >all views points or from a reasoned and structured reply pointing out >the problems. It also comes from admitting we all make errors of >judgement. >I might have made one by writing this. > > >Cheers, >Don White > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au-------------------------- ---- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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I stood out of the debate but this one goes too far particularly the numbers statement. From the character of thunderstorms that I have seen here in various locations and the fact I chased quite a few supercells last season, only one produced a funnel cloud with significant rotation. Yes there were a few tornadoes reported last season but please understand that it was an exceptional season for NSW. I do believe in some outbreaks, tornadoes would have gone unreported. Now that we are chasing, yes we will cover the so called more empty zones not covered by spotters and obviously we are more experienced spotters so we can normally recognise features better. Time will tell what the true numbers are based on areas we chase over the coming years. Then we can do a study based on the area we covered and what we reported and perhaps come with a better estimate and this is including all chaser accounts. But please don't go making such far-fetched assumptions without evidence. I grew up with the concept we ranked second behind the US in terms of tornadoes. This may be true but how are we ranked number 2 and how far behind. And we have to get a little more evidence before stating this. Maybe Canada is number 2?? They state they are? As John suggested, Africa also claims to have intense thunderstorms but I cannot comment on that continent. One thing that is clear in my mind: - The US far exceeds Australia in the intensity of the tornadoes simply based on the climatological conditions particularly the lowest few kilometres. Just to give you some idea, a local suggested that the average winds in western Kansas from the south to southeast was about 20 - 30 knots. It is almost like suggesting a trade wind of sorts. It has been documented in many studies that deep wind shear environments are the primary factors in producing the long lived supercells and thence multiple outbreaks of tornadoes. This year was a bad year for tornadoes and you will see those that attend the ASWA conference just how bad a year it was.. :) - The amount of moisture that is pumped way, way inland helps with the lowered LCL. This is also an important factor in tornadic environments as the cloud base develops further down towards the ground. Major funnels need less effort to become tornadoes. - The land is elevated and this again helps with the LCL to some extent. To give some idea, aroudn Dallas, land is about 200 metres asl, then it goes to about 600 metres around Childress and then 1000 metres around Amarillo. In Colorado it rises again to about 1100 - 1200 metres. In Nebraska it also rises to this type of elevation. The region is flat, unperturbed by mountains and hills so that the main initiation mechaniasm are the fronts, dryline and convergence zones. - The dryline setup is far more organised than here. Dry air aloft helps with cooling and the lapse rates are often steep during their setups. Our dryline/trough line rapidly moves east and clears any activity off the coast. This means that long lived supercells cannot get established into producing tornadoes until they are off the coast - 26th December 2001....... You will find that unless that atmosphere is explosive and extremely dynamical, even in the US those days are rare (May 3 1999 outbreak), you tend to find that supercells can go for an hour or more before producing sufficient spin in the mesocyclone and drop tornadoes. When you think of our environment, deep layer shear is rare so lower level wind shear changes in my opinion will take longer before it drops tornadoes - by then it may be off the coast. Take November 5 2000 for instance, the supercell complex, and this day was quite good shear wise with dryline setup, high dew points producing low LCL http://www.australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0011-05.htm This day did produce strong rotation in the mesocyclones (it was definitely a cyclic system with at least 3 or 4 observed mesocyclones). It went for about 5 possibly 6 hours, and produced for what I could see about 2 funnels and another separate "probable" tornado. Of course, it can never be confirmed. This is more aligned to the activity expected in the US on a smaller scale. - The Rocky Mountains divert the jet somewhat to create more cut-off lows. Think of last season here which was highly unusual when comparing with the past 10 - 15 years. Also, our source of moisture is the NE whereas often these cutoff lows bring N - NW winds which is not sufficient to to build up the fuel. The type of numerous tornado outbreak setups are rare in Australia - ie like the 1996 September 29 outbreak. If someone was to argue that there was many more tornadoes that day, I would definitely agree to make that assumption. Conditions were ideal. As I have suggested in the past and so have others, if you can hire a boat or plane during these high wind shear conditions, I am almost certain you will see tornadoes as that is where I have seen the ideal conditions that match the US style outbreaks. But anyway, this why we chase. We face a new frontier in Australia. The Australian storms are different in character to the US - so the US chasers are looking here to see what we have and actually find that difference interesting. So we live in exciting times. We chase storms and observe the countryside. I am more here to enjoy and judge each situations as they exist and not make grave, possibly misleading assumptions to other weather enthusiasts. This is what I call science. Jimmy Deguara ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: 1982 v. 2002 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:56:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi every1, > > Just had an interesting conversation with some locals here as to whether > this year has actually been drier (to date) than 1982 here in Wycheproof > (Vic.) > > I didn't have any data (having only lived here for 16 years) but felt that > our 111 mm to August 15 might nearly be less than what they measured in the > big drought year of 1982. > > This is probably only answerable by someone with access to BoM records > (Blair? ) but although there seems to be much more moisture around this > year cf. 1982 it doesn't seem to have hit the ground! > > My question: What was the total rainfall for Wycheproof to the end of August > 1982? If it's less than 111 mm. (I'm assuming that there'll be no > significant falls in the next fortnight - a reasonable assumption based on > current patterns :(( ) then I'll be keen to know. The lowest January-August rainfalls at Wycheproof PO (end-of-year total in brackets): 1902 101.7 (204.6) 1982 112.8 (133.4) 1944 118.9 (192.5) 1888 119.0 (195.9) 1967 120.0 (160.9) 1940 120.3 (212.2) 1914 120.6 (205.4) At the Post Office, the year-to-date total is sitting on 107.8, which is behind the 112.2 on the same date in 1982, but 1982 only got another 21.2 for the rest of the year, which is not an experience I presume you care to repeat :-) 1902 was heading for an annual total in the 130s before a major rain event in mid-December. Much of SE Australia got reasonable rain in March 1982, so the annual totals were only record lows in small regions (the 11-month totals for the period April 1982 - February 1983 were widely records, though). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mini tornadoes.....GRRRRRRRR To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:02:09 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi Liam, > > At 11:43 AM 15/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >It's been proven time and time again that we do get VERY LARGE tornadoes > >(F5!), and tornado numbers in Australia may be similar to the US! > > Proven?? Can you give me the evidence? The Bulahdelah tornado of 1 January 1970 was at least a possible F5. Sargent also mentions a possible 1959 F5 in the Lake Macquarie area, but his conclusions on that storm seem fairly speculative to me. I'm not aware of any other suspected F5s in Australia. Extrapolating the urban-area gridbox totals from the 1958-67 study I referred to a while back, a reasonable estimate of the number of tornadoes per unit area in NSW is about 1/3 to 1/4 that of the midwest US (and on a par with the eastern coastal states of the US). (much from Jimmy snipped - most of which I agree with). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.220.169.135] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:44:40 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 08:44:41.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF0FA2A0:01C24437] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael et al, While I agree that current (extremely short-term in the scheme of things weatherwise) trends show a warming in low to mid-levels in the atmosphere the jury is most definitely out on long (and you can make that as long as you care to to support any particular view) term. The fact that you use the term "as a believer in global warming" highlights the polarisation of this topic. Climate change is not supposed to be a matter of "belief" but of verifiable facts. Last time I checked (admittedly a while ago since this topic crops up with predictable familiarity on a regular basis) the upper atmosphere seemed to be cooling. What the outcomes of such a combination are in the short term (again a tenuous time span) are probably higher storm frequencies in mid-latitudes, but since I haven't been around for tens of thousands of years (I just look it) I still don't know. Yes, "short-term" global warming will mean bad news for us building/farming/"thinking" critters, but basically if the Earth-Atmosphere system is as resilient as it's proved to be over the last four+ billion years it won't mean crap whether it affects us "long" term or not. One big rock from elsewhere will change global climate much faster and for longer than anything we can do. My point? I'm not sure I have one! The whole debate is so fraught with time-scale problems that everyone is arguing from a different perspective. I enjoy the debate but let's get back to basics...facts don't even seem to be facts anymore - depends on who you believe...but science...well I'll buy an argument based on that much sooner than I'll buy one on belief. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, Cheers, Kevin from (still bloody dry) Wycheproof. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: s355334 at student.uq.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:56:56 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Leslie Muir Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think you pretty much summed up the entire debate when you said. "The whole debate is so fraught with time-scale problems that everyone is arguing from a different perspective" My personal opinion is that in the long long term scale the average temperature is far from ever stable. Its always going up and down. So I personally belive that these long term changes might be what we are seeing and not some affect from something else. Les At 06:44 PM 15/08/2002, you wrote: >Hi Michael et al, > >While I agree that current (extremely short-term in the scheme of things >weatherwise) trends show a warming in low to mid-levels in the atmosphere >the jury is most definitely out on long (and you can make that as long as >you care to to support any particular view) term. > >The fact that you use the term "as a believer in global warming" >highlights the polarisation of this topic. Climate change is not supposed >to be a matter of "belief" but of verifiable facts. Last time I checked >(admittedly a while ago since this topic crops up with predictable >familiarity on a regular basis) the upper atmosphere seemed to be cooling. > >What the outcomes of such a combination are in the short term (again a >tenuous time span) are probably higher storm frequencies in mid-latitudes, >but since I haven't been around for tens of thousands of years (I just >look it) I still don't know. > >Yes, "short-term" global warming will mean bad news for us >building/farming/"thinking" critters, but basically if the >Earth-Atmosphere system is as resilient as it's proved to be over the last >four+ billion years it won't mean crap whether it affects us "long" term >or not. One big rock from elsewhere will change global climate much faster >and for longer than anything we can do. > >My point? I'm not sure I have one! The whole debate is so fraught with >time-scale problems that everyone is arguing from a different perspective. >I enjoy the debate but let's get back to basics...facts don't even seem to >be facts anymore - depends on who you believe...but science...well I'll >buy an argument based on that much sooner than I'll buy one on belief. > >Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, >Cheers, >Kevin from (still bloody dry) Wycheproof. > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.220.169.135] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: 1982 v. 2002 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:02:29 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 09:02:29.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BD19580:01C2443A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Blair, Thanx muchly for your time...it was only a punt but I took it! :)) Yes, I don't wish (even remotely) to relive only another 20 odd mm for the rest of the year. Kevin. >From: Blair Trewin >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: 1982 v. 2002 >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:56:42 +1000 (EST) > > > > > Hi every1, > > > > Just had an interesting conversation with some locals here as to whether > > this year has actually been drier (to date) than 1982 here in Wycheproof > > (Vic.) > > > > I didn't have any data (having only lived here for 16 years) but felt >that > > our 111 mm to August 15 might nearly be less than what they measured in >the > > big drought year of 1982. > > > > This is probably only answerable by someone with access to BoM records > > (Blair? ) but although there seems to be much more moisture around >this > > year cf. 1982 it doesn't seem to have hit the ground! > > > > My question: What was the total rainfall for Wycheproof to the end of >August > > 1982? If it's less than 111 mm. (I'm assuming that there'll be no > > significant falls in the next fortnight - a reasonable assumption based >on > > current patterns :(( ) then I'll be keen to know. > >The lowest January-August rainfalls at Wycheproof PO (end-of-year >total in brackets): > >1902 101.7 (204.6) >1982 112.8 (133.4) >1944 118.9 (192.5) >1888 119.0 (195.9) >1967 120.0 (160.9) >1940 120.3 (212.2) >1914 120.6 (205.4) > >At the Post Office, the year-to-date total is sitting on 107.8, which >is behind the 112.2 on the same date in 1982, but 1982 only got >another 21.2 for the rest of the year, which is not an experience >I presume you care to repeat :-) > >1902 was heading for an annual total in the 130s before a major >rain event in mid-December. > >Much of SE Australia got reasonable rain in March 1982, so the >annual totals were only record lows in small regions (the 11-month >totals for the period April 1982 - February 1983 were widely >records, though). > >Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A couple of replys in one for you all...a Q or two...& a small note... Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:49:24 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Mini cyclone?
Ok, now I'm lost. Never thought anything about a cyclone was mini!
How big can a cyclone ( & a tornado for that matter) be & still be called "mini" & what comes after mini?
 
F0: Enie
F1: Mini
F2: Miney
F4: Moe
 
F5: ? (God help us!)
 
:)
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:50 AM
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Hello Everyone
<snip>
I am shure if asked the general public would understand they would lose the roof of their house or sustain substantial damage if it was hit by a mini tornado or mini cyclone and this is the message the media gives.
 
Chas
 
Strahan Tasmania
From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:27:28 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Kevin wrote >Last time I checked (admittedly a while ago since this topic crops up with predictable familiarity on a regular basis) the upper atmosphere seemed to be cooling.. Yes I agree. Either there's a MASSIVE discrepancy amongst scientists or some of them are deliberately distorting the facts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Phyland" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:44 PM Subject: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again > Hi Michael et al, > > While I agree that current (extremely short-term in the scheme of things > weatherwise) trends show a warming in low to mid-levels in the atmosphere > the jury is most definitely out on long (and you can make that as long as > you care to to support any particular view) term. > > The fact that you use the term "as a believer in global warming" highlights > the polarisation of this topic. Climate change is not supposed to be a > matter of "belief" but of verifiable facts. Last time I checked (admittedly > a while ago since this topic crops up with predictable familiarity on a > regular basis) the upper atmosphere seemed to be cooling. > > What the outcomes of such a combination are in the short term (again a > tenuous time span) are probably higher storm frequencies in mid-latitudes, > but since I haven't been around for tens of thousands of years (I just look > it) I still don't know. > > Yes, "short-term" global warming will mean bad news for us > building/farming/"thinking" critters, but basically if the Earth-Atmosphere > system is as resilient as it's proved to be over the last four+ billion > years it won't mean crap whether it affects us "long" term or not. One big > rock from elsewhere will change global climate much faster and for longer > than anything we can do. > > My point? I'm not sure I have one! The whole debate is so fraught with > time-scale problems that everyone is arguing from a different perspective. I > enjoy the debate but let's get back to basics...facts don't even seem to be > facts anymore - depends on who you believe...but science...well I'll buy an > argument based on that much sooner than I'll buy one on belief. > > Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, > Cheers, > Kevin from (still bloody dry) Wycheproof. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:41:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Can I just add my 2.2 cents worth (2 cents plus GST). We've been taking records now for what? 150 years or something? Kevin will know that one. I'm a sceptic with global warming. Sure, Man is doing the wrong things to his home but, Does anyone have a record of say, a thousand years ago? Just as an example. Was there a warming trend or even a cooling trend back then? Maybe this happens once in a while? I believe that man will extend too far for his own good and because of de-forestation etc there will be a climate change and many people will perish because of food and water shortages etc. The planet will then "re-grow" and it'll all start again. eg less man, then the plants regenerate. I remember as kid back in the 70's when they made a prediction that all fossil fuels would run out by 1986. I was worried by this as a kid, but look now! They make us pay through the nose for it when "they" decide to cut back production etc etc as they are producing "too" much. Who's bullshitting who here??????? Mother nature has a balance and as far as I reckon it will be enforced. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Phyland" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again > Hi Michael et al, > > While I agree that current (extremely short-term in the scheme of things > weatherwise) trends show a warming in low to mid-levels in the atmosphere > the jury is most definitely out on long (and you can make that as long as > you care to to support any particular view) term. > > The fact that you use the term "as a believer in global warming" highlights > the polarisation of this topic. Climate change is not supposed to be a > matter of "belief" but of verifiable facts. Last time I checked (admittedly > a while ago since this topic crops up with predictable familiarity on a > regular basis) the upper atmosphere seemed to be cooling. > > What the outcomes of such a combination are in the short term (again a > tenuous time span) are probably higher storm frequencies in mid-latitudes, > but since I haven't been around for tens of thousands of years (I just look > it) I still don't know. > > Yes, "short-term" global warming will mean bad news for us > building/farming/"thinking" critters, but basically if the Earth-Atmosphere > system is as resilient as it's proved to be over the last four+ billion > years it won't mean crap whether it affects us "long" term or not. One big > rock from elsewhere will change global climate much faster and for longer > than anything we can do. > > My point? I'm not sure I have one! The whole debate is so fraught with > time-scale problems that everyone is arguing from a different perspective. I > enjoy the debate but let's get back to basics...facts don't even seem to be > facts anymore - depends on who you believe...but science...well I'll buy an > argument based on that much sooner than I'll buy one on belief. > > Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, > Cheers, > Kevin from (still bloody dry) Wycheproof. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:48:22 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >the met profession's ability to predict accurately within the short time frame has improved markedly, though in recent times. Well, given all the cash thrown at it, it would be a scandal if they hadn't. Even so, they can only go a week at most, by their own admission. > I just don't see how caution and lack of 100% accuracy in relation day to day forecasting somehow disqualifies a profession credibility in relation to future projections (always qualified) about climate, based on historical trends and cause-effect relationships between elevated levels of CO2, Ozone etc and increased temperatures. You just said it yourself. Unless daily accuracy gets MUCH better in the short term no faith can be placed on longterm projections. The Russian metservice is heavily under fire for not warning about the coming rains last week. This thread has complained about tornado watches being less than satisfactory. Professionals are accountable, it goes with the territory. Taxpayers fund them. There's nothing wrong with commenting on performance. We do it every day when it comes to rugby players and they take it on the chin and don't get into a sulk about it. It is one thing to note historical records and quite another to project them into the future, especially when critical data is ommitted, like the cooling years of 1990-2. Elevated levels of CO2? So what? Crime figures went up too. Does that mean rising crime is responsible for global warming? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Conditions here today Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:50:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I started off the day here with a sever frost and a minus 4 degrees at 7am this morning and reached 14.1 at 3.45 this arvo with a feeling of spring in the air.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Sensitivity Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:48:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That may explain some glaciers but what I see on the media seems to point to a worldwide trend from Alaska to Austria. My views are that the truth lays somewhere in between the two schools of thought. I can see evidence for and against global warming. I hear tales that snow does not fall like it did 50 or 100 years ago on the NSW Central Tablelands. I believe these stories, even my Dad who is 75 and lived at Hill End near Orange said it snowed a lot more in his younger days. My Aunt who lived in Orange from 1960 odd to 1990 said it snowed 13 times in her first year there. On the other hand we do not have the houses washing into the sea like we did in the early 1970's. Mind you we have had mostly dud cyclone seasons since then too. Michael concerning underground and undersea thermal activities. The fact is, NZ and > Norway are very tectonically active, and these subterranean hot vents, > called Black Smokeys by vulcanologists, affect glaciers that are above them, > causing advance/recede cycles that so far have not been worked out. Nothing > to do with man's activities and greenhouse gases. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:14:41 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Conditions here today From: Dale Small To: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 X-Razor-id: 5c53fa180209d92f386efba5d700804eb42b5e91 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Re: aus-wx: Conditions here today Started off the day here very sleepy, copius amounts of coffee fixed that.
Passed a hitchiker wearing a giant sombrero on the way to work, it was 6am in the morning and the sun was barely up.

Walking down the hill in bright sunlight around 11am, witnessed numerous Cb's off the coast, 4 or 5 of them i counted with anvils spreading.. very teasing for Se-Qld'ers considering the open water isnt the place where the rain needs to fall.

Driving home this afternoon, amounts of Cu spreading inland.. had the console operator at the petrol station asking me when it would rain.. i had no answer, maybe just a tease this weekend.

Please rain this weekend... please




From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:50:21 +1000
To: "aussie-weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Conditions here today


I started off the day here with a sever frost and a minus 4 degrees at 7am this morning and reached 14.1 at 3.45 this arvo with a feeling of spring in the air.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)


From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: 1982 v. 2002 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:46:45 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Oooh..be careful guys..you'll be called MOONIES soon!! You're talking about moon cycles here: 1982, midpoint between declination max and min., then back to 1967; max declination, 1944 mid point again, then back to 1914; max declination again, and 1888 mid point again. But - hang on - the moon JUST COULDN'T have anything to do with weather..nah must be coincidences..again..quite a pile of them this time Ken Ring www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Trewin" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:56 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: 1982 v. 2002 > > > > Hi every1, > > > > Just had an interesting conversation with some locals here as to whether > > this year has actually been drier (to date) than 1982 here in Wycheproof > > (Vic.) > > > > I didn't have any data (having only lived here for 16 years) but felt that > > our 111 mm to August 15 might nearly be less than what they measured in the > > big drought year of 1982. > > > > This is probably only answerable by someone with access to BoM records > > (Blair? ) but although there seems to be much more moisture around this > > year cf. 1982 it doesn't seem to have hit the ground! > > > > My question: What was the total rainfall for Wycheproof to the end of August > > 1982? If it's less than 111 mm. (I'm assuming that there'll be no > > significant falls in the next fortnight - a reasonable assumption based on > > current patterns :(( ) then I'll be keen to know. > > The lowest January-August rainfalls at Wycheproof PO (end-of-year > total in brackets): > > 1902 101.7 (204.6) > 1982 112.8 (133.4) > 1944 118.9 (192.5) > 1888 119.0 (195.9) > 1967 120.0 (160.9) > 1940 120.3 (212.2) > 1914 120.6 (205.4) > > At the Post Office, the year-to-date total is sitting on 107.8, which > is behind the 112.2 on the same date in 1982, but 1982 only got > another 21.2 for the rest of the year, which is not an experience > I presume you care to repeat :-) > > 1902 was heading for an annual total in the 130s before a major > rain event in mid-December. > > Much of SE Australia got reasonable rain in March 1982, so the > annual totals were only record lows in small regions (the 11-month > totals for the period April 1982 - February 1983 were widely > records, though). > > Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:12:02 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Conditions here today Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:14 PM 15/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Please rain this weekend... please I'm hoping for a big fat high to sit on top of us... Sometimes storms have to take a back seat to getting repeaters on the air. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:28:31 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: My e-mail regarding tornado debate Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello everyone, In my previous e-mail ot the list regards this debate of tornado numbers/intensity - large tornadoes, I included the following statement: "Just to give you some idea, a local suggested that the average winds in western Kansas from the south to southeast was about 20 - 30 knots." What the farmer was talking about was during the spring - summer period. And this is in the region near the dryline setup. And the location was Kinsley. That day, there were records set of SE wind average speeds. Hmmmm if this is the case then I would say the variation is not so significant. Yes they do get the cold fronts which then gets the NE - N cold winds but it does not take long before a SE wind is set again sometimes within a day or two and freshens with upper low systems setting up and drifting across and ahead of the associated cold fronts. Also, I forgot to mention another point related to the claim that Australia's sparseness and reports of tornadoes. Please note the same is true for the US to a lesser extent. The sparseness of the region around Tornado Alley I have mentioned in an e-mail after I got back this year. The road network is fantastic yes but I would not put it too much better than Victoria's road network in a lot of cases. It has been stated that: - tornadoes in some areas particularly untraditional areas apart from the Tornado Alley region have been significantly unreported - the average number of tornadoes shown on maps seem to be shown with an epicenter around Oklahoma City. Have I not seen this before - around Sydney?? John Woodbridge also comments in a more previous e-mail from a paper written by Bart Geerts and Ed Linacre that tornadoes around the Sydney region approaches "Based on reported events around Sydney, it has been estimated that the Eastern States of Australia has a tornado frequency over area of about 20% that of central Oklahoma in the USA (Ref: Climates & Weather Explained, Edward Linacre and Bart Geerts). This is considerably higher than many would suspect." I think this may have been a little pushed from my memory of the paper when I read it. First, he examined certain years and not the whole database and also used tornadoes that were just waterspouts coming onshore..... This means inland, you do not get waterspouts so numbers would go down. I also do not believe that per unit area, the Sydney region or any part of Eastern Australia come close to the central tornado density. But I stand corrected if proper evidence can be produced. - getting back on track, on a web site by a NWS employee and chaser, he suggests that most chasers believe that: * larger tornadoes occur in higher numbers than reported in the Panhandle region due to its sparsness * larger tornadoes based on size have been reported and can in a lot of cases be assumed to be quite intense but because they often do not strike built up areas/towns as often, then they can be reported as low as F2 by definition.... The White Deer tornado which David and I chased last year was listed officially as F3 but anyone that chased it and others that commented on it simply by the looking at the incredible size and ROTATION, it could be assumed an F4. But scientifically it won't be. Sometimes we wished the Doppler on Wheels was on this storm. For those that do not recall: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-04.htm 29th May 2001 article in this espisode. Ummm John, the record you suggest of the Australian tornado which I recall occurred in Victoria is obviously less than the following beast which is not the longest track either... http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/storms/19470409/ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ok/county/ellis/intro.html http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ok/county/ellis/tornado1.html story http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/nws/nwind5.htm http://www.tornadoproject.com/cellar/tttttttt.htm this is the longest track http://www.usatoday.com/2000/century/weather/stories/wtristatetor.htm http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/nws/wea00234.htm http://www.geo.nsf.gov/geo/adgeo/press/pr9623.htm 219 miles seem to be the accepted length http://www.geo.nsf.gov/geo/adgeo/press/pr9623.htm http://www.ucar.edu/communications/newsreleases/1999/tornado.html By chance came up with an article about the event searching for something else. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/stormfronts/radarsat.html Jimmy Deguara ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:03:38 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 00:03:38.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F7B69F0:01C244B8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

So Ken, the anomaly of 90-92 means we can disavow the strong link between ground level global warming and elevated CO2 levels over the past century or so?  Proponents of CO2-Ozone global warning have never claimed that these factors are acting on the climate at the exclusion of other factors which might come and go, like Mt Pinutubo's erruption.

Ken, I'll see your sarcasm about linking crime and CO2 and raise you the following: If you think you could do a more cost effective job in predicting Austrlaia's weather than the BoM, then why don't you submit a proposal to the Minister responsible, the Hon David Kemp.  In the current environment of privatisation and outsourcing I'm sure he'd very carefully consider your plan.

John Woodbridge more eloquently and diplomatically demolished your syllogism re. short term meteorological prediction and climate forecasts - I wont' revisit this.

You proceeded to misquote me and/or make preposterous inferences from what I had written (in relation to my remarks about the BoM's improving short term day to day forecasts).  By this misrepresentation Ken, I now fully grasp the way you operate and I can now better appreciate the 'techniques' you use to draw the non sequiturs which are your conclusions, from the data you have before you.

>From: "Ken Ring"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again
>Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:48:22 +1200
>
> >the met profession's ability to predict accurately within the short time
>frame has improved markedly, though in recent times.
>
>Well, given all the cash thrown at it, it would be a scandal if they hadn't.
>Even so, they can only go a week at most, by their own admission.
> > I just don't see how caution and lack of 100% accuracy in relation day to
>day forecasting somehow disqualifies a profession credibility in relation to
>future projections (always qualified) about climate, based on historical
>trends and cause-effect relationships between elevated levels of CO2, Ozone
>etc and increased temperatures.
>
>You just said it yourself. Unless daily accuracy gets MUCH better in the
>short term no faith can be placed on longterm projections. The Russian
>metservice is heavily under fire for not warning about the coming rains last
>week. This thread has complained about tornado watches being less than
>satisfactory. Professionals are accountable, it goes with the territory.
>Taxpayers fund them. There's nothing wrong with commenting on performance.
>We do it every day when it comes to rugby players and they take it on the
>chin and don't get into a sulk about it. It is one thing to note historical
>records and quite another to project them into the future, especially when
>critical data is ommitted, like the cooling years of 1990-2. Elevated levels
>of CO2? So what? Crime figures went up too. Does that mean rising crime is
>responsible for global warming?
>
>
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From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: Liam's pics are online :o) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:09:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey All, Well, Kelley is home, and will write up the birth story later when she's not in so much pain, but in the meantime, she sent across the pics of Liam to me. He is so gorgeous. I cried the first time :o) Liam's first images are at http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/... Click on the link on the sidebar for his page, and that will take you to the rest of them. more pics will be coming soon when Kelley takes them :o)) PaulY Paul Yole State Rep - ASWA Victoria Daddy to Liam Alexander - 08/13/02 http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:12:35 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> So Ken, the anomaly of 90-92 ..
That and other anomalies, like NASA cooling data, Antarctica cooling figures and the NoAA websites I quoted that you conveniently did not choose to comment on. Am I to be the scapegoat of anti global warming now?
 
>If you think you could do a more cost ..
If someone offers me the kind of money the BoM enjoy then, sure, anyone would love to have a go at any job. Somehow I doubt I shall be offered much more than the diddley squat I get now. I am an amateur so hardly a comparison then, between my methods and those of the government-funded services.
 
> You proceeded to misquote me ..
I am very sorry if that happened and humbly apologise. I have no wish ever to do that. I took what you said at face value. Again..sorry.
 
But please don't turn this into a personality issue. It's not worth it. Can we stick to the science please, and if I quote references made by scientists in answer to claims m,ade by other scientists then please honour MY research and comment on them. We are not schoolchildren in a playground.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again

So Ken, the anomaly of 90-92 means we can disavow the strong link between ground level global warming and elevated CO2 levels over the past century or so?  Proponents of CO2-Ozone global warning have never claimed that these factors are acting on the climate at the exclusion of other factors which might come and go, like Mt Pinutubo's erruption.

Ken, I'll see your sarcasm about linking crime and CO2 and raise you the following: If you think you could do a more cost effective job in predicting Austrlaia's weather than the BoM, then why don't you submit a proposal to the Minister responsible, the Hon David Kemp.  In the current environment of privatisation and outsourcing I'm sure he'd very carefully consider your plan.

John Woodbridge more eloquently and diplomatically demolished your syllogism re. short term meteorological prediction and climate forecasts - I wont' revisit this.

You proceeded to misquote me and/or make preposterous inferences from what I had written (in relation to my remarks about the BoM's improving short term day to day forecasts).  By this misrepresentation Ken, I now fully grasp the way you operate and I can now better appreciate the 'techniques' you use to draw the non sequiturs which are your conclusions, from the data you have before you.

>From: "Ken Ring"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again
>Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:48:22 +1200
>
> >the met profession's ability to predict accurately within the short time
>frame has improved markedly, though in recent times.
>
>Well, given all the cash thrown at it, it would be a scandal if they hadn't.
>Even so, they can only go a week at most, by their own admission.
> > I just don't see how caution and lack of 100% accuracy in relation day to
>day forecasting somehow disqualifies a profession credibility in relation to
>future projections (always qualified) about climate, based on historical
>trends and cause-effect relationships between elevated levels of CO2, Ozone
>etc and increased temperatures.
>
>You just said it yourself. Unless daily accuracy gets MUCH better in the
>short term no faith can be placed on longterm projections. The Russian
>metservice is heavily under fire for not warning about the coming rains last
>week. This thread has complained about tornado watches being less than
>satisfactory. Professionals are accountable, it goes with the territory.
>Taxpayers fund them. There's nothing wrong with commenting on performance.
>We do it every day when it comes to rugby players and they take it on the
>chin and don't get into a sulk about it. It is one thing to note historical
>records and quite another to project them into the future, especially when
>critical data is ommitted, like the cooling years of 1990-2. Elevated levels
>of CO2? So what? Crime figures went up too. Does that mean rising crime is
>responsible for global warming?
>
>
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X-Originating-IP: [144.138.154.55] From: "Bruce Buckman" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: climate change Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:32:02 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 03:32:02.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C6C2460:01C244D5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, It's interesting that Phil Smith should mention something that I had forgotten about re Ice Ages. I too was taught at school that we were coming out of a mild Ice Age (I wont use the word mini) and that the climate in the world would become more severe over the next one hundred years or so. We were told that the earth would slowly warm, but there would be records broken for both above and below average temps. That was back in the 1950s. I also remember reading in an American magazine called Weatherwise around ten years ago saying exactly that. They "backed it up"with a graph, and from memory the article consisted of around six pages. Changing the subject to the "Asian brown cloud" that is news lately,I read that a Professor of ecology at Macquarie University warned his class in 1972 that "if the Asian communist and socialist nations ever became free enterprise it would be the beginning of a great ecological disaster due to gargantuan consumption of fossil fuels and commodities." Interesting. Regards, Bruce Buckman. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Liam's pics are online :o) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:58:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Congrats to the very proud mum and dad :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: aus-wx: Liam's pics are online :o) > Hey All, > > Well, Kelley is home, and will write up the birth story later when she's not in so much pain, but in the meantime, she sent across > the pics of Liam to me. He is so gorgeous. I cried the first time :o) > > Liam's first images are at http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/... > > Click on the link on the sidebar for his page, and that will take you to the rest of them. more pics will be coming soon when Kelley > takes them :o)) > > PaulY > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > Daddy to Liam Alexander - 08/13/02 > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: climate change Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:00:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That is interesting and I'd like to see some of that stuff. No offence but I must've been a bit young to get taught that or was away that day :-) Wonder where we can get some more info about this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Buckman" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: aus-wx: climate change > > Hi all, It's interesting that Phil Smith should mention something that I had > forgotten about re Ice Ages. I too was taught at school that we were coming > out of a mild Ice Age (I wont use the word mini) and that the climate in the > world would become more severe over the next one hundred years or so. We > were told that the earth would slowly warm, but there would be records > broken for both above and below average temps. That was back in the 1950s. I > also remember reading in an American magazine called Weatherwise around ten > years ago saying exactly that. They "backed it up"with a graph, and from > memory the article consisted of around six pages. Changing the subject to > the "Asian brown cloud" that is news lately,I read that a Professor of > ecology at Macquarie University warned his class in 1972 that "if the Asian > communist and socialist nations ever became free enterprise it would be the > beginning of a great ecological disaster due to gargantuan consumption of > fossil fuels and commodities." Interesting. > Regards, Bruce Buckman. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:15:58 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Conditions here today From: Dale Small To: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 X-Razor-id: 259a15b2c6ff989863b9c27d8220b27cf97888df Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ok, then please make sure it is fat enough to stream some showers inland a little bit =) At 10:14 PM 15/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Please rain this weekend... please I'm hoping for a big fat high to sit on top of us... Sometimes storms have to take a back seat to getting repeaters on the air. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Liam's pics are online :o) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:21:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A very neat website. Well done. Please tell Liam that I'm a little jealous as he has about as much hair as I do. Welcome to the USA Mate! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: aus-wx: Liam's pics are online :o) > Hey All, > > Well, Kelley is home, and will write up the birth story later when she's not in so much pain, but in the meantime, she sent across > the pics of Liam to me. He is so gorgeous. I cried the first time :o) > > Liam's first images are at http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/... > > Click on the link on the sidebar for his page, and that will take you to the rest of them. more pics will be coming soon when Kelley > takes them :o)) > > PaulY > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > Daddy to Liam Alexander - 08/13/02 > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Graham" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: what's this?? Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:04:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Can anyone tell me what this funny wet stuff is that's falling from the sky here in Ballina???....haven't seen it for soooooo long , I've forgotten what it is.......... :P John from Ballina ____________________________________________________________ John Graham gorzzz at d2.net.au or gorzzz at yahoo.com Icq 25440353 Member of The Australian Severe Weather Assoc. ASWA Homepage http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ Snail Mail: P.O. Box 1072 Ballina 2478 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:42:36 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Conditions here today Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 06:15 PM 16/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Ok, then please make sure it is fat enough to stream some showers inland a >little bit =) As it turns out, we don't need the high this weekend. Maybe next. ;) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:43:05 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: what's this?? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:04 PM 16/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Can anyone tell me what this funny wet stuff is that's falling from the sky >here in Ballina???....haven't seen it for soooooo long , I've forgotten what >it is.......... :P The birds and koalas have had too much to drink? ;) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Originating-IP: [203.221.127.131] From: "Dave Ellem" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: what's this?? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:00:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 22:00:07.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[48BB3FC0:01C24570] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, I was in Ballina last night and ended up getting out and dancing in it. I hadn't seen rain that heavy in 2 months!! And the sad part is that it was mostly drizzle. Nice to see the ground wet anyway!! 18.4mm in Ballina till 8am thismorning. On a sader note the rain has just hugged the coast. At Alstonville, a few km's inland I only recorded 1mm =( Maybe some more today? Dave Ellem ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Graham" To: "Aussie Weather" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: what's this?? > Hi All, > > Can anyone tell me what this funny wet stuff is that's falling from the sky > here in Ballina???....haven't seen it for soooooo long , I've forgotten what > it is.......... :P > > John from Ballina > ____________________________________________________________ > John Graham gorzzz at d2.net.au or gorzzz at yahoo.com > Icq 25440353 > Member of The Australian Severe Weather Assoc. > ASWA Homepage http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > Snail Mail: > P.O. Box 1072 Ballina 2478 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: what's this?? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:36:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It hasn't rained here for that long that the other day we got a shower and my kids started crying because they didn't know what it was............. :-)) > > Can anyone tell me what this funny wet stuff is that's falling from the > sky > > here in Ballina???....haven't seen it for soooooo long , I've forgotten > what > > it is.......... :P > > > > John from Ballina +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Conditions here today Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:45:00 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Too bad, it's been already ordered... it's on it's way! :oP Regs. Paul. (Stargazer) http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Conditions here today > At 06:15 PM 16/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Ok, then please make sure it is fat enough to stream some showers inland a > >little bit =) > > As it turns out, we don't need the high this weekend. Maybe next. ;) > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Graham" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: what's this?? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:43:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I can see you doing something like that too Dave....anyone get a pic of you dancing?????? :))) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ellem" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: what's this?? > Hi John, > I was in Ballina last night and ended up getting out and dancing in it. I > hadn't seen rain that heavy in 2 months!! And the sad part is that it was > mostly drizzle. Nice to see the ground wet anyway!! 18.4mm in Ballina till > 8am thismorning. On a sader note the rain has just hugged the coast. At > Alstonville, a few km's inland I only recorded 1mm =( > Maybe some more today? > > Dave Ellem > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Graham" > To: "Aussie Weather" > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:04 PM > Subject: aus-wx: what's this?? > > > > Hi All, > > > > Can anyone tell me what this funny wet stuff is that's falling from the > sky > > here in Ballina???....haven't seen it for soooooo long , I've forgotten > what > > it is.......... :P > > > > John from Ballina > > ____________________________________________________________ > > John Graham gorzzz at d2.net.au or gorzzz at yahoo.com > > Icq 25440353 > > Member of The Australian Severe Weather Assoc. > > ASWA Homepage http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > > Snail Mail: > > P.O. Box 1072 Ballina 2478 > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:10:51 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a great day. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.138.51.117] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:29:21 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 14:29:21.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A7FEDA0:01C245FA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey there Yes the conference was great, thanks for the good time, I enjoyed it, like to go again next year or perhaps go on the big anual chase, TDU 2002/3? I made it to Maitland, pretty easy, but still the NSW road system (Huh??) needs a big overhaul, it sucks! Cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather. >From: Jimmy Deguara >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! >Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:10:51 +1000 > >Hi all, > >Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - >EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > >Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a >great day. > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Max" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:32:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just to re-iterate what Jimmy has said, Absolutely fabulous day. It was a really professionally put together event, congratulations to all that helped make it so great!!! Max -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:11 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Hi all, Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a great day. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:15:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ...and a very fitting grand finale to the day with an ~isolated shower~. Michael T made the call that it would be dry only as far south as the airport but you didn't have to go nearly that far! Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Max Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:32 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Just to re-iterate what Jimmy has said, Absolutely fabulous day. It was a really professionally put together event, congratulations to all that helped make it so great!!! Max -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:11 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Hi all, Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a great day. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:03:19 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ... and the first time I'be made it... agreeed - most enjoyable day and good to put a face to those names I've read on this list for year... and as for being dry only to the airport, It was the other way around. 34 mm here at Frenchs Forest overnight - doubled our Winter rainfall to date and even some thunder this morning. Cheerers, don White Andrew Miskelly wrote: > > ...and a very fitting grand finale to the day with an ~isolated shower~. > Michael T made the call that it would be dry only as far south as the > airport but you didn't have to go nearly that far! > > Andrew. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Max > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:32 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > Just to re-iterate what Jimmy has said, > > Absolutely fabulous day. > > It was a really professionally put together event, congratulations to > all that helped make it so great!!! > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy > Deguara > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:11 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > Hi all, > > Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - > EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > > Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a > > great day. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:47:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes! basically once over the Harbour Bridge all signs of rain had gone. In Wollongong stars, moon and that slightly forlorn feeling you get when you know its raining only 2 hours away, and your going to miss out. Today even worse, brilliant sunshine here in the Illawarra, but I can see the Cb's in the far NE lining up for the Hunter northwards. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > ...and a very fitting grand finale to the day with an ~isolated shower~. > Michael T made the call that it would be dry only as far south as the > airport but you didn't have to go nearly that far! > > Andrew. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Max > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:32 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > Just to re-iterate what Jimmy has said, > > Absolutely fabulous day. > > It was a really professionally put together event, congratulations to > all that helped make it so great!!! > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy > Deguara > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:11 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > Hi all, > > Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - > EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > > Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a > > great day. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:48:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Don It was a mis quote from Andrew, I said that I would DRY once south of the airport. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don White" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > ... and the first time I'be made it... agreeed - most enjoyable day and > good to put a face to those names I've read on this list for year... and > as for being dry only to the airport, It was the other way around. > 34 mm here at Frenchs Forest overnight - doubled our Winter rainfall to > date and even some thunder this morning. > > Cheerers, > don White > Andrew Miskelly wrote: > > > > ...and a very fitting grand finale to the day with an ~isolated shower~. > > Michael T made the call that it would be dry only as far south as the > > airport but you didn't have to go nearly that far! > > > > Andrew. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Max > > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:32 AM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > Just to re-iterate what Jimmy has said, > > > > Absolutely fabulous day. > > > > It was a really professionally put together event, congratulations to > > all that helped make it so great!!! > > > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy > > Deguara > > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:11 AM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > Hi all, > > > > Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - > > EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > > > > Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a > > > > great day. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:54:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2002 07:54:00.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[699A97A0:01C2468C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, I just got home (11 hours drive back to Brisbane). But it was so worth it. Thanks all for those highly entertaining and thought provoking presentations and of course everyone else for just being there. I had a great time. Cheers Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:10 AM Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > Hi all, > > Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - > EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > > Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a > great day. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:02:11 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Report on Tropical Storm VongFong X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached report: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:56:51 +0800 Subject: Report on Tropical Storm VongFong It's been hard to know when to start reports on this storm. It has been brewing as a Tropical Depression just over 800 km south of here for many days. In fact JMA have kept the identity as the same system which was earlier classified by JTWC as 18W and by PAGASA as Milenyo. On Saturday 17th I spent a few hours at a barbecue on the South side of Hong Kong Island in a house at Tai Tam facing South across the water. By about 18:00 there were gusts at that particular location that were wild enough to remove full unopened cans of coke off the table and to necessitate the furling of the heavyweight shade umbrellas before they suffered damage. There were a couple of good squalls with lightning and rain and some still periods in between. While driving home around 22:00 there were twigs and leaves stripped from the trees lying on the road and the car was frequently buffeted sideways on the road. At 22:45 Typhoon Signal Number One (Stand By) was hoisted by the observatory. Today, Sunday 18th August has been pretty unremarkable. As each heavy outer cloudband came over, say every few hours it would get very dark even though it was daylight. Some but not all of the street lights came on a couple of times. Some of the cloudbands brought rainy squalls and some didn't. There were brief periods of winds strong enough to set whole trees swaying, but there were quieter times in between. At about 16:00 today the rain was so heavy it limited visibility to about 250 metres, but it only lasted half an hour. Tonight there is rapid movement of low clouds from North East to South West. No rain at the moment (20:15) but the wind is noisy enough to rattle anything not tied down. Back to the computer after dinner ... Here is a copy of the current observations at all stations in HK: Date/Time: 18/8/2002 21:30 Station Temp RH Max/Min Dir/Speed Barometer HI (C) (%) (C) (km/h) (hPa) (C) ---------------------------------------------------------- HK Observatory 26.5 87 28.5/25.6 ---/----- 1002.8 King's Park 25.7 88 ----/---- E / 16.6 1002.2 Wong Chuk Hang 26.5 85 29.0/25.5 E / 27.0 ------ Ta Kwu Ling 25.2 98 28.6/24.7 E / 16.0 1003.0 Lau Fau Shan 25.0 95 28.4/24.8 E / 18.0 1002.7 Tai Po 27.8 80 30.0/26.4 ---/----- 1003.0 Sha Tin 27.4 78 29.8/25.9 N / 14.0 1003.1 Tuen Mun 26.7 82 29.0/25.4 VRB/ 5.0 ------ Tseung Kwan O 25.9 91 28.3/25.1 N / 10.0 ------ Sai Kung 25.7 93 27.6/24.1 N / 28.0 ------ Cheung Chau 25.1 90 28.2/24.3 E / 39.0 1002.3 Chek Lap Kok 27.1 81 29.9/25.8 E / 33.0 1002.2 Tsing Yi 26.2 82 27.9/25.2 E / 27.0 ------ Shek Kong ---- --- ----/---- ---/----- ------ And here is the report from the HKO: Bulletin issued at 20:59 HKT 18/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 has been issued. This means that a tropical cyclone now centred within about 800 kilometres of Hong Kong may affect us. At 9 p.m., Tropical Storm Vongfong was centred about 630 kilometres south-southwest of Hong Kong (near 17.0 degrees north 112.0 degrees east). It is forecast to intensify gradually and move north-northwest at about 8 kilometres per hour towards the western part of Guangdong. In the past few hours, winds in Hong Kong strengthened slightly. There will be a threat of strong winds in the Victoria Harbour later. The Hong Kong Observatory may consider issuing the Strong Wind Signal Number 3 tonight or tomorrow morning. Under the influence of the outer circulation of Vongfong, winds are strong offshore and on high ground in Hong Kong. The gusts over the sea area south of Lantau Island even reached gale force occasionally. As seas are rough with swells, you are advised to stay away from the shoreline and not to engage in water sports. According to the present forecast track, Vongfong will edge closer to the western part of Guangdong gradually. Locally, there will be heavy rain with squalls in the next couple of days. (Precautionary Announcements with No. 1 Signal) (1) Some precautions against damage should be taken, gutters and drains should be cleared of obstructions. Hinges, bolts, locks and shutters of windows and doors should be checked. (2) People living in wooden huts and in low-lying areas should take necessary precautions against strong winds and flooding. (3) Listen to your radio or watch your TV for further weather information. I have also commenced a page for this storm at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/vongfong.htm where I shall upload any interesting captures in the next couple of days as the storm approaches and passes. Phil <>< Phil Smith Doctor Disk 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:47:06 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Monday morning report on TS VongFong X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached report: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:45:43 +0800 Subject: Monday morning report on TS VongFong A quiet night. Wind seems to be more Easterly but is quite variable in direction. Heavy overcast. The 10-minute mean wind speed at Cheung Chau is currently 56 km/h. At 19:50 last night, Cheung Chau was recording a mean wind speed of 69 km/h. Obs from HK stations: Date/Time: 19/8/2002 05:20 Station Temp RH Max/Min Dir/Speed Barometer HI (C) (%) (C) (km/h) (hPa) (C) ---------------------------------------------------------- HK Observatory 27.2 89 27.3/26.1 ---/----- 1001.7 King's Park 26.8 85 ----/---- E / 19.4 1001.2 Wong Chuk Hang 27.6 82 27.6/26.6 E / 24.0 ------ Ta Kwu Ling 25.8 96 26.5/25.4 E / 18.0 1001.6 Lau Fau Shan 26.3 87 26.3/24.7 E / 11.0 1001.4 Tai Po 28.3 75 28.3/26.7 ---/----- 1001.6 32.0 Sha Tin 27.4 85 27.8/26.5 VRB/ 10.0 1001.9 Tuen Mun 27.5 83 27.5/26.3 S / 14.0 ------ Tseung Kwan O 27.2 88 27.2/26.5 VRB/ 12.0 ------ Sai Kung 26.4 92 26.5/25.8 E / 17.0 ------ Cheung Chau 25.5 95 25.6/25.3 E / 56.0 1001.1 Chek Lap Kok 27.5 83 28.0/26.8 S / 25.0 1001.1 Tsing Yi 26.6 85 26.7/25.8 S /----- ------ Shek Kong ---- --- ----/---- ---/----- ------ VongFong is 589 km SSW of here at 05:00. The HKO warning is much the same as the one I included in last night's report. As I am typing, I can hear some much stronger gusts up here than the 10 km/h recorded by the AWS down in the valley. Tree movement suggests the latest gusts are coming from the South. Phil <>< Phil Smith Doctor Disk 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:37:02 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I also thoroughly enjoyed the conference and weekend! Was a fantastic weekend, topped off by a free family BBQ on Sunday! Matthew Pearce, James Harris and Daniel Weatherhead were some of the main organisers who did an ABSOLUTELY tremendous job!!! But Andrew McDonald, Matthew Smith, Matthew Piper and Jimmy himself also helped out a lot in varying aspects from on the day to the 6 months of preperations that took place before hand. Everything went smoothly, and from my understanding everyone enjoyed themselves enormously! There were four fantastic presentations...including a very informative presentation from our guest speaker Rob Webb who is the head of the NSW severe weather section. Thanks to the nearly 50 people who attended the function who also helped made it a great day for all! I'll have to book my flights for the 2003 ASWA conference soon! :) AC Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - > EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > > Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a > great day. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at mail.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:55:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com .... and thanks to the huge amount of work and effort you put in as well Anthony !! I'd like to publicly thank all those involved in the organisation. From my perspective of just turning up and enjoying the show, the whole weekend was very well organised and thoroughly enjoyable. regards, Michael At 08:37 AM 19/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I also thoroughly enjoyed the conference and weekend! Was a fantastic >weekend, topped off by a free family BBQ on Sunday! Matthew Pearce, >James Harris and Daniel Weatherhead were some of the main organisers who >did an ABSOLUTELY tremendous job!!! But Andrew McDonald, Matthew Smith, >Matthew Piper and Jimmy himself also helped out a lot in varying aspects >from on the day to the 6 months of preperations that took place before >hand. Everything went smoothly, and from my understanding everyone >enjoyed themselves enormously! There were four fantastic >presentations...including a very informative presentation from our guest >speaker Rob Webb who is the head of the NSW severe weather section. > >Thanks to the nearly 50 people who attended the function who also helped >made it a great day for all! > >I'll have to book my flights for the 2003 ASWA conference soon! :) > >AC ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:14:52 +1000 Organization: The Weather Co. X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Oh. Sorry fellas, what I meant by saying "it would be dry only as far south as the airport" was "you would only have to go as far south as the airport before it was dry". It turned out that that was a correct statement from Michael all the way through Sunday aswell with all precipitation being confined to just north of YSSY. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 1:48 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Hi Don It was a mis quote from Andrew, I said that I would DRY once south of the airport. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don White" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > ... and the first time I'be made it... agreeed - most enjoyable day > and good to put a face to those names I've read on this list for > year... and as for being dry only to the airport, It was the other way > around. 34 mm here at Frenchs Forest overnight - doubled our Winter > rainfall to date and even some thunder this morning. > > Cheerers, > don White > Andrew Miskelly wrote: > > > > ...and a very fitting grand finale to the day with an ~isolated > > shower~. Michael T made the call that it would be dry only as far > > south as the airport but you didn't have to go nearly that far! > > > > Andrew. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Max > > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:32 AM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > Just to re-iterate what Jimmy has said, > > > > Absolutely fabulous day. > > > > It was a really professionally put together event, congratulations > > to all that helped make it so great!!! > > > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy > > Deguara > > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:11 AM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > Hi all, > > > > Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - > > EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > > > > Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It > > was a > > > > great day. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.4] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:28:06 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 00:28:06.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[49B2CDF0:01C24717] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All, I have only one word that applies to the entire ASWA Conference..... STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks to all of the conference organisers - you guys created a stunning weekend for us all..... one that will not be forgotten. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- From: Jimmy Deguara Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:10:51 +1000 Hi all, Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a great day. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: "Weather list" Subject: aus-wx: ASWA conference Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:23:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
It's clear from all the emails that the conference was the best ever and as one of the presenters I would like personally and publicly to thank all involved in its organisation, especially James Harris and Daniel Weatherhead but all those with them (can't remember all the names) as well in the technical side of setting up computers, mouses, video displays etc etc etc. You were all so supportive and I can't tell you how much that meant to me. The attention to detail was absolutely professional and excellent in every way and you have done us all proud, as did all who were involved in organising the whole event over many months. I enjoyed myself immensely and it was like being part of a large family. I came away wishing I could go to something like this every day nearly!
Again many thanks
 
 
From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:49:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All, And from me also. This year I really debated whether it was worth making the trip from Brisbane because my credit card was not looking too well. But once again, I am really thankful that I did. Those images of the boys (plus the daughter cell!) being storm cells complete with Anvils and rotating updrafts will stay with me for quite a while. Bit dissapointed Clyve didn't hit the deck and pretend to be a shelf cloud though... John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:28 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! All, I have only one word that applies to the entire ASWA Conference..... STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks to all of the conference organisers - you guys created a stunning weekend for us all..... one that will not be forgotten. Jane +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:28:13 +1000 Organization: The Weather Co. X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, I thought I was a shoe-in to be a turkey tower... > Bit dissapointed Clyve didn't hit the deck and pretend to be a shelf cloud though... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Aussie Weather List" Subject: aus-wx: Yaha Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:56:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I just received a copy of the Yaha again. Can someone please tell me if it came off the list? If not, then I will have to look elsewhere through the Norton Logs. The only email I had was from Andrew Miskelly but I am not so certain that it was him has Norton reported that it had deleted something from Outlook.

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Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Glen Patrick O'Riley3.vcf" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:56:42 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com David, that documnet.html.scr is a bloody virus !! davidkc wrote: > ellGTGTimes New RomanSymbol ArialTimes New Roman U]c7KNormalaADefault > Paragraph FontFMicrosoft Word 6 DocumentMSWordDoc9q > . > . > More details attached +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yaha Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:01:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
It's happening to me too..but it's not anyone's fault..we all need to ensure outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by a reputable scanner.
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I just received a copy of the Yaha again. Can someone please tell me if it came off the list? If not, then I will have to look elsewhere through the Norton Logs. The only email I had was from Andrew Miskelly but I am not so certain that it was him has Norton reported that it had deleted something from Outlook.

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X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.50] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:18:57 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 03:18:57.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[27A7D260:01C2472F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I could be wrong - but the email puportedly from davidkc entitled 'document' looks horribly like another attack of this virus - I hope I'm wrong. BTW, it's not david's fault.... Hotmail just stripped the attachement off the email which is what alerted me to it. If you can see it in your email inbox *****DON'T EVEN HIGHLIGHT IT TO DELETE IT***** as this sets it off - dump the messages above and below it as 1 batch with it in the middle & then delete the entire contents of your deleted items folder. If you have antivirus software - this is the time to do a full check of your system to make sure that it isn't there before you do anything else. Jane (still hoping she's wrong) -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at hotkey.net.au X-Authentication-Warning: penfold.hotkey.net.au: apache set sender to davidkc at hotkey.net.au using -f To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Document Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:20:18 +1000 (EST) User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.7 X-Originating-IP: 203.76.17.20 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If everyone could please stop sending me emails stating i sent a virus. This is happening to everyone and nothing really can be done except do have the virus checker updated. Thanks Dave Quoting Peter Creswick : > David, that documnet.html.scr is a bloody virus !! > > davidkc wrote: > > > ellGTGTimes New RomanSymbol ArialTimes New Roman > U]c7KNormalaADefault > > Paragraph FontFMicrosoft Word 6 DocumentMSWordDoc9q > > . > > . > > More details attached > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:45:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com So true Jane..these things are self replicating and it's not appropriate to be naming people simply because a virus was attached to one of their messages. Most good scanners can also be set to scan outgoing mail. There's only so much one can do but it's all a good learning experience in which we can, by having good practice in place, all deal effectively with these sick people who write the virus programs in the first place. 'The price of safety is eternal vigilance'. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' I could be wrong - but the email puportedly from davidkc entitled 'document' looks horribly like another attack of this virus - I hope I'm wrong. BTW, it's not david's fault.... Hotmail just stripped the attachement off the email which is what alerted me to it. If you can see it in your email inbox *****DON'T EVEN HIGHLIGHT IT TO DELETE IT***** as this sets it off - dump the messages above and below it as 1 batch with it in the middle & then delete the entire contents of your deleted items folder. If you have antivirus software - this is the time to do a full check of your system to make sure that it isn't there before you do anything else. Jane (still hoping she's wrong) -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at xenios.qldnet.com.au Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:21:07 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: aus-wx: CURRENT VIRUS ATTACKS Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. Those who use Windows be vigilant. If you get a suspect email, follow Janes instructions, repeated here: >If you can see it in your email inbox *****DON'T EVEN HIGHLIGHT IT TO DELETE >IT***** as this sets it off - dump the messages above and below it as 1 >batch with it in the middle & then delete the entire contents of your >deleted items folder. > >If you have antivirus software - this is the time to do a full check of your >system to make sure that it isn't there before you do anything else. The latest batch of viruses contain STMP email code so are in effect mini-email programs. They harvest email addresses off the net, and send themselves everywhere as if from such harvested addresses. I have had several bounced emails containing viruses proportedly originating from me, however they did not come from my machine, which is an old Mac that does not get infected by these Windows specific worms - my logs show that these emails did not come from me but only arrived after bouncing - I just trash viruses when they arrive and thats the end of it (one advantage of having an old Mac in this worm infested internet environment!). Please do not flame the person whom an infected email says it came from - chances are it did not originate from that address anyway and you have been tricked into being upset with an innocent party - the real source has been deleted from the worm and replaced by an innocent third parties address as these insidious worms self-propagate in the open-ended fertile environment provided by Bill Gates' global nightmare. Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:47:13 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 06:47:14.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[4096B3A0:01C2474C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Some of these viruses gather names/email addresses from contact lists on an infected computer, then mail out copies of itself using these addresses as the sender, and not the address of the computer infected. So the people who's names/addresses you see attached to these virus emails have never had the virus on their computer. Then people point the finger at the sender and blame them for not having up to date software, or being careful, when in reality, these people are sometimes very careful! If EVERYONE is careful, then these little buggers don't get sent around. I know most people are, but it's the minority that let's them through Liam >From: "Keith Barnett" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:45:35 +1000 > >So true Jane..these things are self replicating and it's not appropriate to >be naming people simply because a virus was attached to one of their >messages. >Most good scanners can also be set to scan outgoing mail. >There's only so much one can do but it's all a good learning experience in >which we can, by having good practice in place, all deal effectively with >these sick people who write the virus programs in the first place. > >'The price of safety is eternal vigilance'. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jane ONeill" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:18 PM >Subject: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' > > >I could be wrong - but the email puportedly from davidkc entitled >'document' >looks horribly like another attack of this virus - I hope I'm wrong. BTW, >it's not david's fault.... > >Hotmail just stripped the attachement off the email which is what alerted >me >to it. > >If you can see it in your email inbox *****DON'T EVEN HIGHLIGHT IT TO >DELETE >IT***** as this sets it off - dump the messages above and below it as 1 >batch with it in the middle & then delete the entire contents of your >deleted items folder. > >If you have antivirus software - this is the time to do a full check of >your >system to make sure that it isn't there before you do anything else. > >Jane (still hoping she's wrong) >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:12:53 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, If this sort of thing keeps going, perhaps we should change to a forum style based e-mail system where e-mails still get sent to you but originate from the forum. You have more flexibility and you can see the separate discussions. I wonder how it works in terms of security. If this keeps on going re viruses, I may just take off from this mailing list. Please do not keep talking about it until some action is taken. Stick to the weather please. Jimmy Deguara At 04:47 PM 19/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Some of these viruses gather names/email addresses from contact lists on >an infected computer, then mail out copies of itself using these addresses >as the sender, and not the address of the computer infected. > >So the people who's names/addresses you see attached to these virus emails >have never had the virus on their computer. > >Then people point the finger at the sender and blame them for not having >up to date software, or being careful, when in reality, these people are >sometimes very careful! > >If EVERYONE is careful, then these little buggers don't get sent >around. I know most people are, but it's the minority that let's them through > > >Liam > > > > >>From: "Keith Barnett" >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' >>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:45:35 +1000 >> >>So true Jane..these things are self replicating and it's not appropriate to >>be naming people simply because a virus was attached to one of their >>messages. >>Most good scanners can also be set to scan outgoing mail. >>There's only so much one can do but it's all a good learning experience in >>which we can, by having good practice in place, all deal effectively with >>these sick people who write the virus programs in the first place. >> >>'The price of safety is eternal vigilance'. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jane ONeill" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:18 PM >>Subject: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' >> >> >>I could be wrong - but the email puportedly from davidkc entitled 'document' >>looks horribly like another attack of this virus - I hope I'm wrong. BTW, >>it's not david's fault.... >> >>Hotmail just stripped the attachement off the email which is what alerted me >>to it. >> >>If you can see it in your email inbox *****DON'T EVEN HIGHLIGHT IT TO DELETE >>IT***** as this sets it off - dump the messages above and below it as 1 >>batch with it in the middle & then delete the entire contents of your >>deleted items folder. >> >>If you have antivirus software - this is the time to do a full check of your >>system to make sure that it isn't there before you do anything else. >> >>Jane (still hoping she's wrong) >>-------------------------------- >>Jane ONeill - Melbourne >>cadence at stormchasers.au.com >> >>Melbourne Storm Chasers >>http://www.stormchasers.au.com >> >>ASWA - Victoria >>http://www.severeweather.asn.au >>-------------------------------- >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>http://www.hotmail.com >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> >> >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:15:45 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ok, i'll bite, whats a turkey tower? regards richard modistach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > Yeah, I thought I was a shoe-in to be a turkey tower... > > > Bit dissapointed Clyve didn't hit the deck and pretend to be a shelf > cloud though... > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:09:53 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Turkey Tower - [Slang], a narrow, individual cloud tower that develops and falls apart rapidly. The sudden development of turkey towers from small cumulus clouds may signify the breaking of a cap. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2d.html#Tower +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:27:56 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Richard, http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01.jpg Try this for a picture. Jimmy Deguara At 07:09 PM 19/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Turkey Tower - [Slang], a narrow, individual cloud tower that develops and >falls >apart rapidly. The sudden development of turkey towers from small cumulus >clouds >may signify the breaking of a cap. >http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2d.html#Tower > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:02:33 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com damnit, i opened the email before i read down the list, that'll teach me, however i totally deleted it and ran vet scan and no viruses were detected, phew. regards richard modistach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' I could be wrong - but the email puportedly from davidkc entitled 'document' looks horribly like another attack of this virus - I hope I'm wrong. BTW, it's not david's fault.... Hotmail just stripped the attachement off the email which is what alerted me to it. If you can see it in your email inbox *****DON'T EVEN HIGHLIGHT IT TO DELETE IT***** as this sets it off - dump the messages above and below it as 1 batch with it in the middle & then delete the entire contents of your deleted items folder. If you have antivirus software - this is the time to do a full check of your system to make sure that it isn't there before you do anything else. Jane (still hoping she's wrong) -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:45:36 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 06:12 PM 19/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >If this sort of thing keeps going, perhaps we should change to a forum >style based e-mail system where e-mails still get sent to you but >originate from the forum. You have more flexibility and you can see the >separate discussions. I wonder how it works in terms of security. If this >keeps on going re viruses, I may just take off from this mailing list. It is getting a bit out of hand. :-/ However, there is a simple solution that will work for some list software - simply remove all non text attachments (also does a wonderful job of cleaning up HTML posts too :) ). I wouldn't be interested in a forum style of posting, it's too much hassle, unless it allowed "sanitized" email postings (like MSN groups allows - I participate in some of them via email only). >Please do not keep talking about it until some action is taken. Stick to >the weather please. Good point. Last one from me on the virus stuff. Anyway, back to the weather - looking for some fine weekends so we can get some projects happening. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:47:05 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 07:27 PM 19/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Richard, > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01.jpg > >Try this for a picture. Not found when I clicked on the link. :( 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Dry south of the Airport Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:33:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server1.ns4ua.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - world.std.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ozthunder.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This was not a wild guess, but based on observations of the cloud offshore Sydney. When I left Wollongong there was only scattered stratcu over the ocean in a weak line. From about Sydney north some Cu was popping up mixed in it, just weak stuff. Therefore when we noticed the rain at North Ryde I knew it would largely confined to the north. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > Oh. Sorry fellas, what I meant by saying "it would be dry only as far > south as the airport" was "you would only have to go as far south as the > airport before it was dry". > > It turned out that that was a correct statement from Michael all the way > through Sunday aswell with all precipitation being confined to just > north of YSSY. > > Andrew. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 1:48 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > Hi Don > > It was a mis quote from Andrew, I said that I would DRY once south of > the airport. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don White" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > ... and the first time I'be made it... agreeed - most enjoyable day > > and good to put a face to those names I've read on this list for > > year... and as for being dry only to the airport, It was the other way > > > around. 34 mm here at Frenchs Forest overnight - doubled our Winter > > rainfall to date and even some thunder this morning. > > > > Cheerers, > > don White > > Andrew Miskelly wrote: > > > > > > ...and a very fitting grand finale to the day with an ~isolated > > > shower~. Michael T made the call that it would be dry only as far > > > south as the airport but you didn't have to go nearly that far! > > > > > > Andrew. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Max > > > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:32 AM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > > > Just to re-iterate what Jimmy has said, > > > > > > Absolutely fabulous day. > > > > > > It was a really professionally put together event, congratulations > > > to all that helped make it so great!!! > > > > > > Max > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy > > > Deguara > > > Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:11 AM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - > > > EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > > > > > > Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It > > > was a > > > > > > great day. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:44:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server1.ns4ua.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - world.std.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ozthunder.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony I think once the word gets round about the conference that booking a seat at the actual conference in advance would be smart move. I can see up to 100 at the next conference. Michael > > I'll have to book my flights for the 2003 ASWA conference soon! :) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:05:31 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:44 PM 19/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Anthony > >I think once the word gets round about the conference that booking a seat at >the actual conference in advance would be smart move. I can see up to 100 at >the next conference. How many were at this one? I would have liked to have attended, but couldn't get the work trip to coincide. :-/ 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:11:49 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL ENTITLED 'document' Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com MSN groups is exactly what I had in mind Tony. Jimmy Deguara At 07:45 PM 19/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >At 06:12 PM 19/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >>If this sort of thing keeps going, perhaps we should change to a forum >>style based e-mail system where e-mails still get sent to you but >>originate from the forum. You have more flexibility and you can see the >>separate discussions. I wonder how it works in terms of security. If this >>keeps on going re viruses, I may just take off from this mailing list. > >It is getting a bit out of hand. :-/ However, there is a simple solution >that will work for some list software - simply remove all non text >attachments (also does a wonderful job of cleaning up HTML posts too :) >). I wouldn't be interested in a forum style of posting, it's too much >hassle, unless it allowed "sanitized" email postings (like MSN groups >allows - I participate in some of them via email only). > >>Please do not keep talking about it until some action is taken. Stick to >>the weather please. > >Good point. Last one from me on the virus stuff. > >Anyway, back to the weather - looking for some fine weekends so we can get >some projects happening. > >73 de Tony, VK3JED >http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Steve Baynham" To: "weather" Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference and I'M BAACK Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:27:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com greetings all, it has been quite a while since i recieved and sent mail to the weather list, march actually! i had email/computer problems when i moved to Canberra. but it's good to be back and it was f**kin excellent too see a large portion of yas at the conference!!! some saw me sneak in there when no one was looking. mayeb i shoulda got meself one of those name badgie thingys!! Canberra isn't as bad as i used to think. we had 2 consecutive storm days a fortnight or so ago. and the anticipation of waking up in a -8C caravan and seeing snow on the alps is.....i don't know how to finish that sentence. anyway, now that i am finially settled in properly, expect to see visions and pictures coming from the ACT. cyas!! Steve Baynham icq : 26863574 Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.au.com Homepage http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:47:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server1.ns4ua.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - world.std.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ozthunder.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com About 50, all had a good time. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > At 08:44 PM 19/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Anthony > > > >I think once the word gets round about the conference that booking a seat at > >the actual conference in advance would be smart move. I can see up to 100 at > >the next conference. > > How many were at this one? I would have liked to have attended, but > couldn't get the work trip to coincide. :-/ > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:47:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 09:47 PM 19/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >About 50, all had a good time. Cool. Just wasn't able to get away for this one. :-/ Oh well, I still manage to enjoy the local meetings and the odd chase. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Authentication-Warning: shell01.TheWorld.com: dhart owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:43:44 -0400 From: David Hart To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: viruses Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The e-mails that the list got with virus attachments had a couple of unique characteristics. We have put in place a system that will filter these out, This however is no substitute for good and up-to-date anti-virus software on everyones computers. I urge all of you to get hold of some and implement it. David Hart aussie-weather mailling list owner +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:32:50 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I can't say, "WOW what a conference!" because I'm stuck here in the NH, but I can certainly say, "WOW, what a picture!" I assume it was taken by Michael Bath on 26th November 1994, but where was it taken? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:27:56 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > Hi Richard, > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01. > jpg > > Try this for a picture. > > Jimmy Deguara > > > At 07:09 PM 19/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Turkey Tower - [Slang], a narrow, individual cloud tower that develops > and > >falls > >apart rapidly. The sudden development of turkey towers from small > cumulus > >clouds > >may signify the breaking of a cap. > >http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2d.html#Tower > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:55:18 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Monday night report on STS VongFong X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached message: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:53:15 +0800 Subject: Monday night report on STS VongFong The day has seen mainly noisy winds all day in the places where I have been: Kowloon City all morning, Fo Tan all afternoon, Hong Kong Island all evening. It has peaked at 60 km/h many times today at Cheung Chau, but elsewhere has been well below gale force. Rain has fallen on and off all day in many short brief spurts with short times of no rain in between. There have also been some lengthy dry spells for a couple of hours at a time. I have just been checking out the 24 hour graph of 10-minute mean wind speed for the local HKO AWS and it shows the wind a few times averaging 24 km/h but generally between 15 and 22 km/h. I have to say it sounds much higher than that outside my flat for the last hour or so. Here are the 21:40 obs for the various stations: Date/Time: 19/8/2002 21:40 Station Temp RH Max/Min Dir/Speed Barometer HI (C) (%) (C) (km/h) (hPa) (C) ---------------------------------------------------------- HK Observatory 27.6 85 28.3/25.7 ---/----- 1004.5 King's Park 26.9 90 ----/---- E / 19.8 1004.2 Wong Chuk Hang 28.2 82 28.7/25.8 S / 23.0 ------ 32.9 Ta Kwu Ling 26.6 94 30.0/25.3 S / 20.0 1004.1 Lau Fau Shan 27.1 82 29.0/24.0 S / 18.0 1004.1 Tai Po 28.5 77 29.3/26.4 ---/----- 1004.4 32.8 Sha Tin 28.5 78 28.8/26.1 S / 15.0 1004.9 33.0 Tuen Mun 24.9 100 29.0/23.6 S / 18.0 ------ Tseung Kwan O 27.8 87 28.1/25.9 E / 14.0 ------ Sai Kung 27.1 90 27.8/24.7 S / 33.0 ------ Cheung Chau 25.6 96 28.1/24.5 S / 51.0 1004.2 Chek Lap Kok 28.6 75 30.6/25.4 S / 41.0 1003.4 32.7 Tsing Yi 27.1 84 27.7/25.4 S /----- ------ Shek Kong ---- --- ----/---- ---/----- ------ And here is the latest HKO TC Warning: Bulletin issued at 21:03 HKT 19/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 has been issued. At 9 p.m., Severe Tropical Storm Vongfong was centred about 390 kilometres west-southwest of Hong Kong (near 21.6 degrees north 110.5 degrees east). It is forecast to move north-northwest at about 20 kilometres per hour, further inland into Guangdong. Vongfong has made landfall near Zhanjiang and is forecast to weaken. Winds are still strong offshore and on high ground in Hong Kong. The gusts over the southwestern sea areas even reached gale force occasionally. The threat of Vongfong to Hong Kong is still not over. The public are urged not to relax in taking precautions. (Precautionary Announcements with No. 1 Signal) (1) As seas are rough with swells, you are advised to stay away from the shoreline and not to engage in water sports. (2) Listen to your radio or watch your TV for further weather information. STS VongFong is currently inland over Western Guangdong but all forecasts are for us to recieve a lot more wild weather from this storm yet. I shall keep you all posted. Phil <>< Phil Smith Doctor Disk 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:01:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 14:01:56.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA5D2D50:01C24788] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All I Just got back into my bed, after a 4hr train ride from Sydney arrived home about 11pm. As for the Conference... I LOVED it, meeting everyone was great, and loved the presentations by Clyve and Rob Webb's doppler images were a real eye opener!!!!. Hope to attend another meeting, perhaps in January and maybe a spot of Chasing if the conditions are good. :). I also had the pleasure of visiting TWC which was great. Thanks go out to Michael King for the lift up, Max King for the couch and hospitality on Saturday night and Sunday, Everone else at the conference for making me fell welcome!!! and the TWC crew for letting me hang around the joint all afternoon! Cheers (from a worn out...) Simon www.canberra-wx.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:32 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > I can't say, "WOW what a conference!" because I'm stuck here in the NH, > but I can certainly say, "WOW, what a picture!" > I assume it was taken by Michael Bath on 26th November 1994, but where > was it taken? > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jimmy Deguara > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:27:56 +1000 > Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > Hi Richard, > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01. > > jpg > > > > Try this for a picture. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 07:09 PM 19/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Turkey Tower - [Slang], a narrow, individual cloud tower that develops > > and > > >falls > > >apart rapidly. The sudden development of turkey towers from small > > cumulus > > >clouds > > >may signify the breaking of a cap. > > >http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2d.html#Tower > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:14:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Two significant earthquakes ! Love Sha »§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.»§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.»§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.» §« ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E This information is provided by the USGS National Earthquake Information Center. (Address problems to: sedas at ghtmail.cr.usgs.gov) These parameters are preliminary and subject to revision. A magnitude 7.7 earthquake SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS has occurred at: 23.81S 178.36E Depth 694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC Time: Universal Time (UTC) Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) Mon Aug 19 07:08:25 2002 Central Daylight Time (CDT) Mon Aug 19 06:08:25 2002 Mountain Daylight Time (MDT) Mon Aug 19 05:08:25 2002 Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) Mon Aug 19 04:08:25 2002 Alaska Daylight Time (ADT) Mon Aug 19 03:08:25 2002 Hawaii Standard Time (HST) Mon Aug 19 01:08:25 2002 Location with respect to nearby cities: 390 miles (630 km) S of SUVA, Fiji 440 miles (710 km) NNW of Raoul Island, Kermadec Islands 450 miles (720 km) WSW of NUKU'ALOFA, Tonga 920 miles (1485 km) NNE of Auckland, New Zealand Flinn-Engdahl Region Number = 171 For the definition of Flinn-Engdahl regions, see: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/epic/fer_explain.html . For additional information and subsequent updates, including associated information and maps please consult the following web page, which will be available shortly: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_iaak.html . For the most significant earthquakes, information may also be available from the USGS Earthquake Hazards Program home page at http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ and the USGS home page at http://www.usgs.gov/ . ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: M 7.4 EQ in the FIJI ISLANDS REGION Z=579km Mon Aug 19 11:01:01 2002 UTC 21.75S 179.54W This information is provided by the USGS National Earthquake Information Center. (Address problems to: sedas at ghtmail.cr.usgs.gov) These parameters are preliminary and subject to revision. A magnitude 7.4 earthquake in the FIJI ISLANDS REGION has occurred at: 21.75S 179.54W Depth 579km Mon Aug 19 11:01:01 2002 UTC Time: Universal Time (UTC) Mon Aug 19 11:01:01 2002 Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) Mon Aug 19 07:01:01 2002 Central Daylight Time (CDT) Mon Aug 19 06:01:01 2002 Mountain Daylight Time (MDT) Mon Aug 19 05:01:01 2002 Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) Mon Aug 19 04:01:01 2002 Alaska Daylight Time (ADT) Mon Aug 19 03:01:01 2002 Hawaii Standard Time (HST) Mon Aug 19 01:01:01 2002 Location with respect to nearby cities: 280 miles (450 km) W of NUKU'ALOFA, Tonga 280 miles (455 km) SSE of SUVA, Fiji 420 miles (675 km) WSW of Neiafu, Tonga 1090 miles (1770 km) NNE of Auckland, New Zealand Flinn-Engdahl Region Number = 181 For the definition of Flinn-Engdahl regions, see: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/epic/fer_explain.html . For additional information and subsequent updates, including associated information and maps please consult the following web page, which will be available shortly: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_iaad.html . For the most significant earthquakes, information may also be available from the USGS Earthquake Hazards Program home page at http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ and the USGS home page at http://www.usgs.gov/ . You will continue to receive messages like this when earthquakes occur that have magnitude 5.5 or greater anywhere in the world OR 4.5 or greater in the contiguous US, Hawaii, and Alaska (excluding the Aleutian Islands). The subscription form for this service is located at: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/data_services/data_services.html If you do not wish to receive these messages, please visit that site, select "bigquake," enter your Email address, and select, "unsubscribe." -- U.S. Geological Survey -- Science for a Changing World --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 3/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Conference Question (and a small OT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:35:50 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Conference Question (and a small OT) Thread-Index: AcJHwEdFJdmsLYYpRLOnreR7R7229g== From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 21:17:25.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[D08AEC50:01C247C5] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id RAA18896 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Are there going to be any publications of the minutes/papers from the ASWA conference? I would have liked to attend, but couldn't find my passport! ...and to stop being bothered by email viruses coming via the list... Just subscribe to the digest version aussie-weather-digest I saw the virus sitting in there (with its giveaway .scr suffix) - it won't activate because it has ceased to be a discrete file :) Cheers Pete +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at mail.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:34:24 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From my backyard when I was living in western Sydney. If you increment the photo id you can see the other pics taken in that day - 8 all up. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01.jpg to http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb08.jpg cheers, Michael At 09:32 PM 19/8/2002 +0800, you wrote: >I can't say, "WOW what a conference!" because I'm stuck here in the NH, >but I can certainly say, "WOW, what a picture!" >I assume it was taken by Michael Bath on 26th November 1994, but where >was it taken? > >Phil ><>< > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:27:56 +1000 >Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > Hi Richard, > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01. > > jpg > > > > Try this for a picture. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 07:09 PM 19/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Turkey Tower - [Slang], a narrow, individual cloud tower that develops > > and > > >falls > > >apart rapidly. The sudden development of turkey towers from small > > cumulus > > >clouds > > >may signify the breaking of a cap. > > >http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2d.html#Tower > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:40:21 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Tuesday morning mops and buckets report on VongFong X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com See attached report: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:38:55 +0800 Subject: Tuesday morning mops and buckets report on VongFong Howling winds and driving rain woke us up many times during the night and first light indicated an urgent need for mops and buckets as two of our bedrooms were being flooded. The wind was forcing the water in through the "watertight" seals around the SE-facing windows. Report is short as I must get back on the mops! Obs for HKO AWS stations: Date/Time: 20/8/2002 06:20 Station Temp RH Max/Min Dir/Speed Barometer HI (C) (%) (C) (km/h) (hPa) (C) ---------------------------------------------------------- HK Observatory 26.2 93 28.0/26.1 ---/----- 1005.2 King's Park 25.4 92 ----/---- SE / 14.4 1004.7 Wong Chuk Hang 26.0 93 28.0/26.0 S / 21.0 ------ Ta Kwu Ling 27.0 92 27.5/26.3 E / 13.0 1004.3 Lau Fau Shan 25.3 98 28.0/25.1 S / 14.0 1004.6 Tai Po 27.9 81 28.9/27.9 ---/----- 1004.9 Sha Tin 26.5 91 28.2/26.5 S / 13.0 1005.3 Tuen Mun 25.7 97 28.1/24.9 S / 13.0 ------ Tseung Kwan O 25.8 96 27.6/25.7 E / 10.0 ------ Sai Kung 25.8 98 26.9/25.8 S / 31.0 ------ Cheung Chau 25.7 96 26.0/25.3 S / 49.0 1004.6 Chek Lap Kok 28.1 79 29.5/26.5 S / 32.0 1004.3 32.2 Tsing Yi 25.9 92 27.4/25.5 S /----- ------ Shek Kong ---- --- ----/---- ---/----- ------ Here is the HKO TC Warning: Bulletin issued at 05:04 HKT 20/Aug/2002 TROPICAL CYCLONE BULLETIN Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Advisory Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory. A Tropical Cyclone Alert is now in effect and the Standby Signal, No. 1 has been issued. At 5 a. m., Tropical Depression Vongfong was centred about 480 kilometres west-northwest of Hong Kong (near 23.6 degrees north 109.7 degrees east). It is forecast to move north-northwest at about 25 kilometres per hour across Guangxi and weaken further. In the past few hours, Vongfong weakened rapidly over Guangxi and its circulation is moving gradually away from Hong Kong. Meanwhile, the ridge of high pressure over southeastern China is intensifying. Under the influence of the ridge and Vongfong, winds are still strong offshore and on high ground in Hong Kong. The gusts over the southwestern sea areas even reached gale force occasionally. When the circulation of Vongfong is clear of Hong Kong, the Standby Signal Number 1 will be cancelled. (Precautionary Announcements with No. 1 Signal) (1) As seas are rough with swells, you are advised to stay away from the shoreline and not to engage in water sports. (2) Listen to your radio or watch your TV for further weather information. The wind here has been from the SE and has varied between 15 and 22 km/h according to the 10 minute mean wind speed chart from HKO AWS at Shatin. Phil <>< Phil Smith Doctor Disk 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:20:16 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com great pics michael, do they all fall into the category of turkey towers? regards richard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Bath" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:04 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > From my backyard when I was living in western Sydney. > > If you increment the photo id you can see the other pics taken in that day > - 8 all up. > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01.jpg > > to > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb08.jpg > > cheers, Michael > > > At 09:32 PM 19/8/2002 +0800, you wrote: > > >I can't say, "WOW what a conference!" because I'm stuck here in the NH, > >but I can certainly say, "WOW, what a picture!" > >I assume it was taken by Michael Bath on 26th November 1994, but where > >was it taken? > > > >Phil > ><>< > > > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jimmy Deguara > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:27:56 +1000 > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01. > > > jpg > > > > > > Try this for a picture. > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > > At 07:09 PM 19/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > >Turkey Tower - [Slang], a narrow, individual cloud tower that develops > > > and > > > >falls > > > >apart rapidly. The sudden development of turkey towers from small > > > cumulus > > > >clouds > > > >may signify the breaking of a cap. > > > >http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2d.html#Tower > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > message. > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > + > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > > - > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > ================================================================== > Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au > McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ > North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ > Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > ================================================================== > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com)" Subject: aus-wx: low level snow? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:06:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com While not wanting to get people's hopes too high, it is worth having a look at the latest runs of GASP, UK, NOGAPS, and ECMWF for Thursday through Friday. Depending on the exact scenario, these suggest a significant (though anticyclonic) cold outbreak is possible late this week over southeast Australia. With thickness values in the range of ~526 through 532 over Victoria/southern NSW/Tasmania, snow levels "should" fall to 500m or lower. One thing to watch is a UK model type scenario which puts the cold pool over central NSW with a ESE/SE flow. Such scenarios can occasionally produce impressive snowfalls on the southern and central highlands. Of course, the usual disclaimers apply to the models! Cheers, David email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: turkey tower Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:22:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My example: http://www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Turkey.jpg Typically what happens next is the top breaks off from the Cu, drifts away and dissipates. Regards, John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Richard Modistach Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:50 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! great pics michael, do they all fall into the category of turkey towers? regards richard. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at mail.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:55:07 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com all of those pics could be classified as turkey towers, although most are profiles of the clouds - and have reasonable strong updrafts, rather than front on views like this extreme example: http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/1201mb02.jpg cheers At 08:20 AM 20/8/2002 +0930, you wrote: >great pics michael, > >do they all fall into the category of turkey towers? > >regards >richard. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Bath" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:04 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > From my backyard when I was living in western Sydney. > > > > If you increment the photo id you can see the other pics taken in that day > > - 8 all up. > > > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01.jpg > > > > to > > > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb08.jpg > > > > cheers, Michael > > > > ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:35:17 +1000 Organization: The Weather Co. X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Now THAT is a turkey! I always look for that telling few streaks of ice falling back out of the anvil which really makes a turkey look like a turkey. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bath Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2002 10:55 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! all of those pics could be classified as turkey towers, although most are profiles of the clouds - and have reasonable strong updrafts, rather than front on views like this extreme example: http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/1201mb02.jpg cheers At 08:20 AM 20/8/2002 +0930, you wrote: >great pics michael, > >do they all fall into the category of turkey towers? > >regards >richard. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Bath" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:04 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: turkey tower - was ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > > > > From my backyard when I was living in western Sydney. > > > > If you increment the photo id you can see the other pics taken in > > that day > > - 8 all up. > > > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb01.j > > pg > > > > to > > > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1994/1126mb08.j > > pg > > > > cheers, Michael > > > > ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:35:37 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > The fact that you use the term "as a believer in global warming" highlights > the polarisation of this topic. Climate change is not supposed to be a > matter of "belief" but of verifiable facts. Last time I checked (admittedly > a while ago since this topic crops up with predictable familiarity on a > regular basis) the upper atmosphere seemed to be cooling. > ....which is actually exactly what would be expected with increased levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (as well as stratospheric ozone depletion). Observations (both from radisondes and satellites) show a marked cooling over the 1979-2001 period at heights above 15km - with the trend stronger with increasing height up to 50km. As far as the satellite temperature record is concerned, it needs to be borne in mind that it is measuring temperature throughout the lowest 8km of the atmosphere, not just at the surface. As such, it is a completely bogus argument to use the satellite data to attack the credibility of the surface data - they're measuring different things. Over the 1979-2001 period the trend in lower tropospheric temperatures (as measured by either satellites or radiosondes) IS smaller than that at the surface. This difference is not predicted by climate models; however, it is a difference which is well within the range of 'normal' variability over a 20-year period. (The observed trends, in degrees/decade, are about 0.15 +/- 0.06 at the surface and 0.04 +/- 0.11 in the lower troposphere - so the 95% confidence intervals definitely overlap between the two). It's also worth noting that over the (pre-satellite) 1958-78 period the lower troposphere warmed relative to the surface (according to radiosonde data) and that over the full 1958-2001 period the warming trend at the surface is similar to that in the lower troposphere. Another key point is that all three observation systems (surface observations, radiosondes, satellites) were NOT originally designed to monitor climate change, but have been put to that purpose at a later date. As a result all three types of data have uncertainties associated with instrument changes, network changes etc. We have a better idea of the uncertainties associated with surface data than we have with upper-air data, but they still exist. (In the case of the satellite record, there have been something like 14 changes of satellite since 1979, each with potential calibration and drift uncertainties). It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the satellite data is more accurate at measuring temperature trends than the radiosondes just because it spits out numbers with a lot of decimal points after them. Where the satellite data comes into its own is in monitoring interannual and interseasonal variability, particularly over areas where radiosonde data is poor or non-existent. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:41:58 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Leslie Muir To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I dont speak for anyone else but i see no doubt that temperatures might be rising. The point of discussion i think is WHY. As naturally the temperatures rise and fall greatly. Could this not be a natural thing? Les Muir On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Blair Trewin wrote: > > The fact that you use the term "as a believer in global warming" highlights > > the polarisation of this topic. Climate change is not supposed to be a > > matter of "belief" but of verifiable facts. Last time I checked (admittedly > > a while ago since this topic crops up with predictable familiarity on a > > regular basis) the upper atmosphere seemed to be cooling. > > > > ....which is actually exactly what would be expected with increased > levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (as well as > stratospheric ozone depletion). > > Observations (both from radisondes and satellites) show a marked > cooling over the 1979-2001 period at heights above 15km - with the > trend stronger with increasing height up to 50km. > > As far as the satellite temperature record is concerned, it needs > to be borne in mind that it is measuring temperature throughout > the lowest 8km of the atmosphere, not just at the surface. As such, > it is a completely bogus argument to use the satellite data to > attack the credibility of the surface data - they're measuring > different things. > > Over the 1979-2001 period the trend in lower tropospheric > temperatures (as measured by either satellites or radiosondes) IS > smaller than that at the surface. This difference is not predicted > by climate models; however, it is a difference which is well within > the range of 'normal' variability over a 20-year period. (The > observed trends, in degrees/decade, are about 0.15 +/- 0.06 at the > surface and 0.04 +/- 0.11 in the lower troposphere - so the 95% > confidence intervals definitely overlap between the two). It's also > worth noting that over the (pre-satellite) 1958-78 period the > lower troposphere warmed relative to the surface (according to > radiosonde data) and that over the full 1958-2001 period the warming > trend at the surface is similar to that in the lower troposphere. > > Another key point is that all three observation systems (surface > observations, radiosondes, satellites) were NOT originally > designed to monitor climate change, but have been put to that > purpose at a later date. As a result all three types of data have > uncertainties associated with instrument changes, network changes > etc. We have a better idea of the uncertainties associated with > surface data than we have with upper-air data, but they still exist. > (In the case of the satellite record, there have been something like > 14 changes of satellite since 1979, each with potential calibration > and drift uncertainties). It's easy to fall into the trap of > thinking that the satellite data is more accurate at measuring > temperature trends than the radiosondes just because it spits out > numbers with a lot of decimal points after them. Where the > satellite data comes into its own is in monitoring interannual and > interseasonal variability, particularly over areas where radiosonde > data is poor or non-existent. > > Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:41:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Indeed, it could well be that the actual impact of Man's destruction of the environment is still being masked by natural climate fluctuation, which would be happening in any case. The problem is that while we can point to obvious things like increasing sizes of ozone "holes" and widespread coral bleaching as evidence, what we really don't know is how often (or if at all) these things have happened in the past. The scary part is that just maybe we are actually in a period of significant climate cooling, which is being completely offset by man's activities... John. p.s. Coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef is attributed to warmer sea temperatures and hence global warming, however the funny thing about this is that a quick inspection of the SST anomaly, http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/anomsst.shtml, never seems to show warmer than normal SST in the Western Pacific adjacent to Australia's East Coast. So I wonder a bit about all that. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Leslie Muir Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:42 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again I dont speak for anyone else but i see no doubt that temperatures might be rising. The point of discussion i think is WHY. As naturally the temperatures rise and fall greatly. Could this not be a natural thing? Les Muir +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:33:03 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Leslie Muir To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If that were true, then yes i would have to say that we are for sure , up the proverbial creek without a paddle. Les On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, John Woodbridge wrote: > Indeed, it could well be that the actual impact of Man's destruction of the > environment is still being masked by natural climate fluctuation, which > would be happening in any case. The problem is that while we can point to > obvious things like increasing sizes of ozone "holes" and widespread coral > bleaching as evidence, what we really don't know is how often (or if at all) > these things have happened in the past. > > The scary part is that just maybe we are actually in a period of significant > climate cooling, which is being completely offset by man's activities... > > John. > > p.s. Coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef is attributed to warmer sea > temperatures and hence global warming, however the funny thing about this is > that a quick inspection of the SST anomaly, > http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/anomsst.shtml, never seems to show > warmer than normal SST in the Western Pacific adjacent to Australia's East > Coast. So I wonder a bit about all that. > > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Leslie Muir > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:42 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again > > > I dont speak for anyone else > but i see no doubt that temperatures might be rising. The point of > discussion i think is WHY. As naturally the temperatures rise and fall > greatly. Could this not be a natural thing? > > > Les Muir > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:08:24 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 12:14 AM 20/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Two significant earthquakes ! This one made the free paper they hand out in Melbourne at railway stations. I gather there were no significant tsunamis? I didn't hear of any. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:11:54 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: RE: aus-wx: turkey tower Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:22 AM 20/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >My example: > >http://www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Turkey.jpg > >Typically what happens next is the top breaks off from the Cu, drifts away >and dissipates. I can see where the name "turkey tower" comes from :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:17:50 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Global warming *sigh* again Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 12:41 PM 20/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I dont speak for anyone else >but i see no doubt that temperatures might be rising. The point of >discussion i think is WHY. As naturally the temperatures rise and fall >greatly. Could this not be a natural thing? My opinion is that the jury's still out. However, given the millions of tons of CO2 and other greenhouse gases we're pouring into the atmosphere, we should attempt to ascertain the extent of human effect on climate change, and minimise our impact. It's better to be prudent now and find out later that the warming was of natural origin than to continue on in blissful ignorance only to find out too late that we're totally screwed up our environment and sealed our fate. Which side would you prefer to err on? 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Sha" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:22:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com No ... I didn't find anything either Tony - although I felt that there may well have been. There have now been 5 significant quakes recorded around Fiji. Love Sha Near Real Time Earthquake List Updated as of Mon Aug 19 21:56:17 UTC 2002. yyyy/mm/dd hh:mm:ss degrees degrees km 2002/08/19 12:52:02 24.83S 178.58E 669.7 4.9 B SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS 2002/08/19 11:45:29 21.87S 179.51W 600.0 5.0 B FIJI ISLANDS REGION 2002/08/19 11:23:06 23.83S 178.30E 681.8 6.0 B SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS 2002/08/19 11:08:25 23.85S 178.41E 693.7 7.7 A SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS 2002/08/19 11:01:01 21.80S 179.49W 586.8 7.5 A FIJI ISLANDS REGION http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E At 12:14 AM 20/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Two significant earthquakes ! This one made the free paper they hand out in Melbourne at railway stations. I gather there were no significant tsunamis? I didn't hear of any. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.220.169.112] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: MyWXMaps Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:26:16 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 09:26:16.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[A27BA140:01C2482B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, I guess I've been living in a cave but a brief search of Laurier Williams' excellent site unearthed this amazing NPMOC site!!!! http://aipswebu1.fnmoc.navy.mil/MyWxmap/ You can select an area of interest and choose the maps you want the NPMOC (NOGAPS) model to forecast and get some totally awesome (admittedly modeled) info!!! To those in the know (of which I was not numbered) this is probably old news, but this is the best site I've found since the "old" meteogram days! :)) Thanx Laurier!!! Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: Interesting radar Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:30:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 09:31:10.0331 (UTC) FILETIME=[518644B0:01C2482C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
 
I was going through my tempfiles of my website and came across an animation of radar form this day http://www.canberra-wx.com/pics/16feb02/ now for some reason at the time i didn't notice the strange radar untill now... http://www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/16feb.gif 
The movement of the storms that day was rather eratic and there was a strong Jets stream right over the area, as you can see by the pics... the storm was 250kms away and i was sitting under tha anvil!!!!!. Any ideas on what was causeing the eraticic movement, espcially at around 9:00UTC after most storms decide to head NE some storms aroung wagga tear through ESE????
 
Cheers
Simon
 
p.s I will get around to getting some more info for you all re:Supercell development right over my house on Feb 7th 2002, will find the pics and scan them in better tonight, it is interesting to see the pics the the resulting radar.
From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:35:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 09:35:41.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3301250:01C2482C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks for that link Sha, amzing to see all those quakes!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sha" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E > No ... I didn't find anything either Tony - although I felt that there may > well have been. There have now been 5 significant quakes recorded around > Fiji. > > Love > Sha > > Near Real Time Earthquake List > Updated as of Mon Aug 19 21:56:17 UTC 2002. > yyyy/mm/dd hh:mm:ss degrees degrees km > 2002/08/19 12:52:02 24.83S 178.58E 669.7 4.9 B SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS > 2002/08/19 11:45:29 21.87S 179.51W 600.0 5.0 B FIJI ISLANDS REGION > 2002/08/19 11:23:06 23.83S 178.30E 681.8 6.0 B SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS > 2002/08/19 11:08:25 23.85S 178.41E 693.7 7.7 A SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS > 2002/08/19 11:01:01 21.80S 179.49W 586.8 7.5 A FIJI ISLANDS REGION > > http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 > 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E > > > At 12:14 AM 20/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Two significant earthquakes ! > > This one made the free paper they hand out in Melbourne at railway > stations. I gather there were no significant tsunamis? I didn't hear of > any. > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: MyWXMaps Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:40:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 09:41:20.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD326580:01C2482D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ive been using this site for a few months now... has a habit of not having mslp charts availiable for aus somedays tho. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Phyland" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: aus-wx: MyWXMaps > Hi every1, > > I guess I've been living in a cave but a brief search of Laurier Williams' > excellent site unearthed this amazing NPMOC site!!!! > > http://aipswebu1.fnmoc.navy.mil/MyWxmap/ > > You can select an area of interest and choose the maps you want the NPMOC > (NOGAPS) model to forecast and get some totally awesome (admittedly modeled) > info!!! > > To those in the know (of which I was not numbered) this is probably old > news, but this is the best site I've found since the "old" meteogram days! > :)) > > Thanx Laurier!!! > > Cheers, > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:46:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 09:46:52.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[8360A640:01C2482E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com looking thru that link came across this... Date Time Lat Long depthinKM Magnitude Location 2002/08/10 12:08:29.6 -33.798 148.727 10 3.0 NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA. Comment: ML 3.0 (AUST). Felt at Cowra. i didn't hear anything of this quake??? Mag 3 is no slouch either! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sha" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E > No ... I didn't find anything either Tony - although I felt that there may > well have been. There have now been 5 significant quakes recorded around > Fiji. > > Love > Sha > > Near Real Time Earthquake List > Updated as of Mon Aug 19 21:56:17 UTC 2002. > yyyy/mm/dd hh:mm:ss degrees degrees km > 2002/08/19 12:52:02 24.83S 178.58E 669.7 4.9 B SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS > 2002/08/19 11:45:29 21.87S 179.51W 600.0 5.0 B FIJI ISLANDS REGION > 2002/08/19 11:23:06 23.83S 178.30E 681.8 6.0 B SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS > 2002/08/19 11:08:25 23.85S 178.41E 693.7 7.7 A SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS > 2002/08/19 11:01:01 21.80S 179.49W 586.8 7.5 A FIJI ISLANDS REGION > > http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 > 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E > > > At 12:14 AM 20/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Two significant earthquakes ! > > This one made the free paper they hand out in Melbourne at railway > stations. I gather there were no significant tsunamis? I didn't hear of > any. > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Greg Curtis" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: Term FSL Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:13:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, Does anyone know what the term FSL refers to in river height information. Seems always to appear when reference is made to dams. e.g. Stanley R at Somerset Dam HW * 6.51pm Tue 92.03 rising 6.97 below FSL I suspect it may refer to full supply level , but I am not sure. Thanks Greg Curtis +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:21:26 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Term FSL Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Full Storage Level +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:41:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have quite an interest in this aspect of our weather Simon and it is surprising just how many earthquakes there are ........... and they are rarely reported in the media unless they reach probably about 5 mag. There is an Australian site but I don't have the link at hand right now ... I'll see if I can locate it. Love Sha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E looking thru that link came across this... Date Time Lat Long depthinKM Magnitude Location 2002/08/10 12:08:29.6 -33.798 148.727 10 3.0 NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA. Comment: ML 3.0 (AUST). Felt at Cowra. i didn't hear anything of this quake??? Mag 3 is no slouch either! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: MyWXMaps Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:46:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin I think they've only been serving up the NOGAPS charts like this for about 2 months, and that the MyWxMap stuff came online about the same time they updated the format of the FNMOC site at http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/. I'm not a fan of NOGAPS progs, but the anals are fine, and you can only get the range available here with a lot of hard work using the Wesley at NCEP site or the READY site. The MyWxMap interface is terrific for making comparisons across times/runs/levels/parameters. Simon, you may be accessing the site too early. The charts gradually populate the table as they become available, and the msl and msl+precip are always last to arrive. If there are delays, they may not be available until 8 or 9 hours after runtime, but I generally find all charts are in by 5am/pm EST. I'm now archiving the anals, but it took a while to work out how to do it using an unattended download program. In case anyone else is mad enough to do this sort of thing, this may save some grief: The raw gif images (without any date/timestamp unfortunately) follow a consistent filename pattern, e.g. N_MN6S58E83W158R9C0.gif. Not sure what the N_MN6S58E83W158 is about, but the R9 identifies the 9th chart in the order it appears in the table, and C0 is the analysis at 0 hours. The files are in the following directory: http://aipswebu1.fnmoc.navy.mil/MyWxmap/25454019/x/ where x is a number between 0 and 5. This is the problem. In order to give the 3-day (actually 2.5-day) archive, the files for each run are placed in subdirectory x, and remain there until they expire. The fileset for 00z today (20/08/2002) is in subdirectory 1, those for 12z tonight will be in subdirectory 0, those for 00z tomorrow will be in subdirectory 5, etc. So if you're planning on auto-downloading, you need to set up six separate download sets each running at 3 day intervals. (Unless, of course, you're a really smart programmer using PERL or suchlike, which I'm not!) Laurier > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Simon Angell > Sent: Tuesday, 20 August, 2002 7:41 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: MyWXMaps > > > ive been using this site for a few months now... has a habit of > not having > mslp charts availiable for aus somedays tho. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Phyland" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:26 PM > Subject: aus-wx: MyWXMaps > > > > Hi every1, > > > > I guess I've been living in a cave but a brief search of > Laurier Williams' > > excellent site unearthed this amazing NPMOC site!!!! > > > > http://aipswebu1.fnmoc.navy.mil/MyWxmap/ > > > > You can select an area of interest and choose the maps you want > the NPMOC > > (NOGAPS) model to forecast and get some totally awesome (admittedly > modeled) > > info!!! > > > > To those in the know (of which I was not numbered) this is probably old > > news, but this is the best site I've found since the "old" > meteogram days! > > :)) > > > > Thanx Laurier!!! > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: Subject: aus-wx: COLA "MRF" site now running AVN and updating 12-hourly Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:41:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com While we're talking about model forecasts on the web, the COLA site, which was, I think, the first site to actually put models on the web, is now using the upgraded AVN model for Australia, and updating 12 hourly rather than daily. These are useful charts, especially the precipitable water/TotTots set and the 850hPa temp/humidity/wind ones (even if Australia gets lost under them sometimes). The AVN is looking great for snow on the Blue Mountains Saturday, with strong SElies, ample moisture, thickness around 536 and 850 temp ~0. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.12] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Winter in Victoria (image updates) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:53:13 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 12:53:13.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BC27F60:01C24848] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Have updated the "Amazing Images" page http://www.stormchasers.au.com/vicimages.htm and the "Winter in Victoria" page (which has been renamed to accomodate the images sent in by weather people in Wagga & Cronulla) http://www.stormchasers.au.com/winter02.htm Enjoy!! PS: more pics up tomorrow..... -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:53:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 12:53:58.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[A615B1C0:01C24848] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I sent this earlier but it has not come through....so here we go again. Have a look at the last 30 days Is it normally this active??? and there seems to be a lull between 15th and 19th then a 7.5!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date time Lat Long depth in kms mag location 19/08/2002 12:52:02 24.83S 178.58E 669.7 4.9 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 19/08/2002 11:45:29 21.87S 179.51W 600 5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 19/08/2002 11:23:06 23.83S 178.30E 681.8 6 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 19/08/2002 11:08:25 23.85S 178.41E 693.7 7.7 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 19/08/2002 11:01:01 21.80S 179.49W 586.8 7.5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 15/08/2002 25:34.0 -19.787 -177.735 500 4.3 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 13/08/2002 30:36.8 -17.554 -179.11 600 4.7 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 12/08/2002 10:18.9 -22.222 -178.891 442 4.8 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 11/08/2002 16:36.8 -21.533 -179.522 650 4.4 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 9/08/2002 31:05.7 -16.177 -176.243 364 6.1 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 8/08/2002 39:53.4 -20.525 -178.198 553 4.6 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 7/08/2002 50:06.7 -21.763 -176.646 174 5.8 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 5/08/2002 52:49.2 -21.208 -179.308 629 4.8 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 30/07/2002 31:41.3 -19.938 -177.773 500 4.5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 28/07/2002 01:19.5 -17.864 -178.425 581 4.9 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 26/07/2002 27:05.1 -25.764 -179.298 400 4.4 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 26/07/2002 07:27.2 -18.021 -178.346 500 4.1 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 26/07/2002 24:52.4 -17.76 -178.726 600 4.5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 25/07/2002 55:47.0 -21.55 -178.877 500 4.1 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 25/07/2002 16:56.9 -20.212 -177.59 500 4.2 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 24/07/2002 59:41.9 -17.527 -178.735 500 4.9 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 24/07/2002 19:24.1 -23.56 179.891 600 4 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 22/07/2002 02:36.4 -14.954 -176.734 33 5.2 FIJI ISLANDS REGION Average Mag 5.02 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nathan Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:15:04 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey everyone, AWSA AGM was just awesome as, I enjoyed meeting many people and watching some of interesting things. Dinner was great. It was excellent to meet many fellows. I will go again next year definitely. It was the best ever I have been there while I was on holiday. From Nathan. :))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference - WOW!!!! > Hi all, > > Just got back home from the ASWA Conference. Preliminary report - > EXCELLENT!!!! Enjoyed by all. > > Thanks to the organisers and those attending for its success!!! It was a > great day. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Earthquakes vs sun activity Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:57:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It is my strong feeling that there is a definite correlation between the sun's activities and seismic activity Simon. The past month in particular has seen some amazing activity from the sun .... many, many sunspots and both M and X class flares. All of this seems to link in with the earthquakes ... and also vocalness, in which there has been quite a lot of activity lately as well. The solar coronal mass ejection that was responsible for prompting the recent alert surrounding the auroral activity this last weekend was spawned by a major M5-Class solar flare on 16 August from the sunspot complex that was easily visible to the protected unaided eye. It was clocked at a velocity near 1,400 kilometers per second (875 miles per second) and in a direction that would impact the Earth. This has to alter things for us down here :)) The lull of which you speak is between 15 - 19 when the 7.5 quake struck. This fits into the timing between the major solar flare on the 16th and the quake then on the 19th ....... which is UTC not Aussie time. Sunspots plummeted from over 300 at the end of July to about 135 as of the first week of August. Highly likely the sudden rise and fall in the daily sunspot count is directly related to the orbital alignment of Mercury with Mars and Jupiter which were nearly perfectly aligned about July 23rd. The sunspots created by this alignment must have rotated into view of the Earth, partly by the pull of Mercury and Venus, which were both observable from the Earth last week. The Mars/Mercury/Jupiter combination also may have generated the unusual number of X class flares which we experienced in July. The sunspot daily count then started to rise again last week. Mercury is approaching Venus, even as Venus draws closer to the Earth. This spiralling combination of the inner planets should be even more potent that last month' s alignment of Mercury/Mars/Jupiter. Sunspots will most likely increase steadily in number and rise sharply about September 15 when Mercury aligns dead on with Venus. X class flares should ignite more spectacular aurora lights - although we don't really get to see them here in Australia. It looks like a VERY stormy and extreme weather syndrome for the near future. Love Sha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E I sent this earlier but it has not come through....so here we go again. Have a look at the last 30 days Is it normally this active??? and there seems to be a lull between 15th and 19th then a 7.5!!!! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:59:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Debbie kindly sent me the Aussie earthquake link privately, so I am passing it on for any others who may be interested. http://www.seis.com.au/EQ/Earthquakes.html Love Sha --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:23:15 +1000 From: Tim Eckert Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.1.0.58-GA X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id KAA16060 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com One useful Aussie earthquake site is http://www.seis.com.au/EQ/Earthquakes.html ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:41:34 +1000 >From: "Sha" >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug  19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E >To: > >I have quite an interest in this aspect of our weather Simon and it is >surprising just how many earthquakes there are ........... and they are >rarely reported in the media unless they reach probably about 5 mag. There >is an Australian site but I don't have the link at hand right now ... I'll >see if I can locate it. > >Love >Sha > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Simon Angell" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:46 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 >11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E > > >looking thru that link came across this... >Date Time Lat Long depthinKM >Magnitude Location >2002/08/10 12:08:29.6 -33.798 148.727 10 3.0 >NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA. >Comment: >ML 3.0 (AUST). Felt at Cowra. >i didn't hear anything of this quake??? Mag 3 is no slouch either! > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------- -------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: ASWA 2002. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:25:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 15:25:46.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAFF5480:01C2485D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
I've just uploaded my pics from ASWA 2002 (give them a few hour to fully upload, extremly slow tonight-should be ready by 3am LOL)
Now i didn't take as many photos as i thought (about 50 less than i anticiapted) But there are some Wx related pics in the lot, and my trip to TWC on monday.
 
the first few are from North Ryde RSL Club in one of the 5 minute breaks.
then there is stuff from Sunday, "Morning convection" till "Sunset from penrith station".
the last few are from TWC on monday and Centeral station.
 
also took some shots from around my local area today
 
Enjoy.
 
Cheers
Simon
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:33:23 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Term FSL X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Many decades ago it was always referred to by all of the surveyors and hydrographers as "Free Surface Level" (of the water in a reservoir) when I worked at the Latrobe Valley Water and Sewerage Board. However it always struck me at the time that this term didn't "sound right" and I always wondered if there was another official meaning hidden away in the books somewhere. On one occasion one of the engineers working on a new dam called it "Full Supply Level". It certainly means the level of the surface of the water when the dam is full. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Greg Curtis" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:13:46 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Term FSL > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone know what the term FSL refers to in river height > information. > Seems always to appear when reference is made to dams. > > e.g. Stanley R at Somerset Dam HW * 6.51pm Tue 92.03 rising 6.97 > below > FSL > > I suspect it may refer to full supply level , but I am not sure. > > Thanks > > Greg Curtis > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:58:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 23:00:27.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FFFF330:01C2489D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
Interesting stuff over central QLD with what seems to be a precursor low near to a vorticity max just southeast of Winton and moving southeast, also a rapid development in the mid and upper cloud band over northern NSW, there is some potential for southeast QLD in this development and even some respectable falls over coastal northern NSW later.regards Clyve H.
X-Sender: mbath at mail.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:46:12 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com spotted that too Clyve. I hope you're right - only been 5mm at my place since last Saturday, while Ballina 15km to the SE has had about 80mm Yesterday had a max of just 15 and spits of rain all day for 0.2mm ! Some drizzle last night and this morning has resulted in about 2mm. cheers, Michael At 08:58 AM 21/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >Interesting stuff over central QLD with what seems to be a precursor low >near to a vorticity max just southeast of Winton and moving southeast, >also a rapid development in the mid and upper cloud band over northern >NSW, there is some potential for southeast QLD in this development and >even some respectable falls over coastal northern NSW later.regards Clyve H. ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:49:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 10.5 very welcome mm yesterday at Mt. Crosby woohoo.... John. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Bath Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:46 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. spotted that too Clyve. I hope you're right - only been 5mm at my place since last Saturday, while Ballina 15km to the SE has had about 80mm Yesterday had a max of just 15 and spits of rain all day for 0.2mm ! Some drizzle last night and this morning has resulted in about 2mm. cheers, Michael At 08:58 AM 21/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >Interesting stuff over central QLD with what seems to be a precursor low >near to a vorticity max just southeast of Winton and moving southeast, >also a rapid development in the mid and upper cloud band over northern >NSW, there is some potential for southeast QLD in this development and >even some respectable falls over coastal northern NSW later.regards Clyve H. ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2002-08-02 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: peterba at postoffice X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:29:51 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Peter Baddiley Subject: Re: aus-wx: Term FSL Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi We are using FSL as "Full Supply Level", however to minimise confusion, we will stop using "FSL" and report the height as x metres above or below "full supply". (The full supply level is the highest level at which the water level is maintained in the dam for water supply purposes.) For dams, we normally give the heights as above or below "spillway". We can't do that where there is a variable spillway height (e.g gates) controlling a flood mitigation compartment/storage above the full supply level. In Qld, this mainly applies to a few dams in the south east corner, e.g. Somerset Dam, Wivenhoe Dam, North Pine Dam. Regards, Peter At 23:33 20/08/02 +0800, you wrote: >Many decades ago it was always referred to by all of the surveyors and >hydrographers as "Free Surface Level" (of the water in a reservoir) when >I worked at the Latrobe Valley Water and Sewerage Board. >However it always struck me at the time that this term didn't "sound >right" and I always wondered if there was another official meaning hidden >away in the books somewhere. >On one occasion one of the engineers working on a new dam called it "Full >Supply Level". >It certainly means the level of the surface of the water when the dam is >full. > >Phil ><>< > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Greg Curtis" >To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:13:46 +1000 >Subject: aus-wx: Term FSL > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Does anyone know what the term FSL refers to in river height >> information. >> Seems always to appear when reference is made to dams. >> >> e.g. Stanley R at Somerset Dam HW * 6.51pm Tue 92.03 rising >6.97 >> below >> FSL >> >> I suspect it may refer to full supply level , but I am not sure. >> >> Thanks >> >> Greg Curtis >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> + >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >> your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- >> - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Baddiley, Supervising Engineer Hydrology & Flood Warning Bureau of Meteorology GPO Box 413 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA Phone: (+61) 07 3239 8768 Fax : (+61) 07 3239 8687 EMAIL: p.baddiley at bom.gov.au WWW : http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld ----------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Term FSL Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:56:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, I had some recent dealings with the QLD DNR (Department of Natural Resources) regarding Wivenhoe Dam, they used the term FSL as "Full Supply Level" meaning spillway height with gates open. John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Peter Baddiley Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:30 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Term FSL Hi We are using FSL as "Full Supply Level", however to minimise confusion, we will stop using "FSL" and report the height as x metres above or below "full supply". (The full supply level is the highest level at which the water level is maintained in the dam for water supply purposes.) For dams, we normally give the heights as above or below "spillway". We can't do that where there is a variable spillway height (e.g gates) controlling a flood mitigation compartment/storage above the full supply level. In Qld, this mainly applies to a few dams in the south east corner, e.g. Somerset Dam, Wivenhoe Dam, North Pine Dam. Regards, Peter At 23:33 20/08/02 +0800, you wrote: >Many decades ago it was always referred to by all of the surveyors and >hydrographers as "Free Surface Level" (of the water in a reservoir) when >I worked at the Latrobe Valley Water and Sewerage Board. >However it always struck me at the time that this term didn't "sound >right" and I always wondered if there was another official meaning hidden >away in the books somewhere. >On one occasion one of the engineers working on a new dam called it "Full >Supply Level". >It certainly means the level of the surface of the water when the dam is >full. > >Phil ><>< > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Greg Curtis" >To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:13:46 +1000 >Subject: aus-wx: Term FSL > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Does anyone know what the term FSL refers to in river height >> information. >> Seems always to appear when reference is made to dams. >> >> e.g. Stanley R at Somerset Dam HW * 6.51pm Tue 92.03 rising >6.97 >> below >> FSL >> >> I suspect it may refer to full supply level , but I am not sure. >> >> Thanks >> >> Greg Curtis >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> + >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >> your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- >> - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Baddiley, Supervising Engineer Hydrology & Flood Warning Bureau of Meteorology GPO Box 413 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA Phone: (+61) 07 3239 8768 Fax : (+61) 07 3239 8687 EMAIL: p.baddiley at bom.gov.au WWW : http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld ----------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2002-08-02 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Earthquakes vs sun activity Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:02:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Actually Robert, your query presupposes that there will *definitely* be solar minima in 5-6 years time. I think that the discussion alters there because, as I have watched - especially during this year - what is classified as *normal* in solar cycles just hasn't taken place. This continues to baffle NASA, however there are signs that they are now beginning to look to the past for the answers. It is my opinion that a typical solar cycle is nonexistent. Slowly experts are shifting to the study of a new phenomena called a "Mega Cycle". The recent sunspot counts have more than doubled NASA's predicted maximum of 150 for what they had claimed to be just another solar "eleven year" cycle. There is a definite shift away from what NASA have decided is the *norm* but the question still remains, what is the cause? NASA has declined any response as to "why" we are witness to such severe solar activity, which is now 1 1/2 years past the predicted "Cycle 23" maximum. *Something* is causing the Sun to act as it is ....... we simply do not know if it is caused by something within our solar system, or outside our solar system. It could well be some type of charged particles related to x-rays, magnetic fields, gamma rays, beta rays, plasma fields. It may even involve Neutrinos, Electrons and Protons. I read some very interesting material about 9 months ago now on "The Missing Neutrinos" The probability of the sunspot count releasing the most intense class of flares is high. The release of extended solar flares happens after the occurrence of a large build up of sunspots. It is apparent to me that "freak storms" and "record breaking" weather around the world steps into place within about 48 hours after these flares let loose. Research suggests it is connected to magnetics and its effect on our Earth and Humans. We now know it is the Sun which drives the geo-magnetic storms, but we are not quite sure what is driving the Sun ??? On August 17th and 18th the asteroid named "2002 NY40" came close enough to Earth to be viewed with binoculars. Is it possible the near miss of this asteroid could create a shift in our magnetic field, in turn causing extreme weather, or "freak storms" ? Probable Equation: Sunspots => Solar Flares => Magnetic Shift => Shifting Ocean and Jet Stream Currents => Extreme Weather Much food for thought ! Love Sha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: "Sha" Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Earthquakes vs sun activity On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Sha wrote: > It is my strong feeling that there is a definite correlation between the > sun's activities and seismic activity Simon. The past month in particular > has seen some amazing activity from the sun .... many, many sunspots and > both M and X class flares. All of this seems to link in with the > earthquakes ... and also vocalness, ***(this should have read "volcanoes") *** in which there has been quite a lot of > activity lately as well. So what you're implying is that during the next solar minima in sunspots in 5-6 yrs time there'll be hardly any earthquakes???? Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences PO Box 28M Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:45:58 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, We've had light-moderate rain with occasional brief heavy periods for most of the day - quite nice! Just reached 25.3mm since 9am yesterday morning An 850 high has moved out to sea and is pushing in moister NE winds at 850. The other thing also is a weak 850 low that is sitting in central QLD and is pushing east. That is combining with the 850 high and directing stronger 850 winds over the southern QLD coast, and has helped increase the moisture and rain. The winds will probably further increase tonight...I wouldn't be surprised if there are some locally heavy falls and local thunder about overnight! Tomorrow we may even be lucky enough to get a clearing thundery change on the wind shift if things go our way. The upper trough approaching from the west has also helped - yesterday evening it looked as if a lot of the cloud was about to go out to sea and we wouldn't be left with much. But the upper trough squeezed the pressure gradient again and increased the 500-300mb jet over our region so it is persisting a little longer. That has helped lift and condense the already saturated and marginally unstable environment. A happy AC John Woodbridge wrote: > > 10.5 very welcome mm yesterday at Mt. Crosby woohoo.... > > John. > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Bath > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:46 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. > > spotted that too Clyve. I hope you're right - only been 5mm at my place > since last Saturday, while Ballina 15km to the SE has had about 80mm > > Yesterday had a max of just 15 and spits of rain all day for 0.2mm ! Some > drizzle last night and this morning has resulted in about 2mm. > > cheers, Michael > > At 08:58 AM 21/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi all. > >Interesting stuff over central QLD with what seems to be a precursor low > >near to a vorticity max just southeast of Winton and moving southeast, > >also a rapid development in the mid and upper cloud band over northern > >NSW, there is some potential for southeast QLD in this development and > >even some respectable falls over coastal northern NSW later.regards Clyve > H. > > ================================================================== > Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au > McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ > North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ > Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > ================================================================== > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2002-08-02 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:52:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 04:52:56.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DB78C70:01C248CE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... Interesting...
 
what do other people think of it?
 
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From: "James Chambers" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:05:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all I don't like it. Recently they changed the colour of the place names and for when precip moved over them - ie from green to black. Now the lines are all black and when precip moves over, they turn grey! I preferred the original change. PS: Good soaking rain here - same as what Anthony has been enjoying. 24.8mm in the gauge since 9am yesterday - close! James Chambers >Hi all >Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... Interesting... what do other people think of it? Old www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/old.gif and New..... www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/new.gif +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:08:05 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com They've destroyed it!!! It looks horrible!!! AC > Simon Angell wrote: > > Hi all > > Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... > Interesting... > > what do other people think of it? > > Old > www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/old.gif > and New..... > www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/new.gif -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tanya" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:13:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: High X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I can definetely say that the fiji islands is NEVER this active! Possibly a sign of some pyroclastic flows to come :-) Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Simon Angell Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2002 10:53 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E I sent this earlier but it has not come through....so here we go again. Have a look at the last 30 days Is it normally this active??? and there seems to be a lull between 15th and 19th then a 7.5!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date time Lat Long depth in kms mag location 19/08/2002 12:52:02 24.83S 178.58E 669.7 4.9 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 19/08/2002 11:45:29 21.87S 179.51W 600 5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 19/08/2002 11:23:06 23.83S 178.30E 681.8 6 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 19/08/2002 11:08:25 23.85S 178.41E 693.7 7.7 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 19/08/2002 11:01:01 21.80S 179.49W 586.8 7.5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 15/08/2002 25:34.0 -19.787 -177.735 500 4.3 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 13/08/2002 30:36.8 -17.554 -179.11 600 4.7 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 12/08/2002 10:18.9 -22.222 -178.891 442 4.8 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 11/08/2002 16:36.8 -21.533 -179.522 650 4.4 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 9/08/2002 31:05.7 -16.177 -176.243 364 6.1 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 8/08/2002 39:53.4 -20.525 -178.198 553 4.6 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 7/08/2002 50:06.7 -21.763 -176.646 174 5.8 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 5/08/2002 52:49.2 -21.208 -179.308 629 4.8 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 30/07/2002 31:41.3 -19.938 -177.773 500 4.5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 28/07/2002 01:19.5 -17.864 -178.425 581 4.9 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 26/07/2002 27:05.1 -25.764 -179.298 400 4.4 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 26/07/2002 07:27.2 -18.021 -178.346 500 4.1 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 26/07/2002 24:52.4 -17.76 -178.726 600 4.5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 25/07/2002 55:47.0 -21.55 -178.877 500 4.1 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 25/07/2002 16:56.9 -20.212 -177.59 500 4.2 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 24/07/2002 59:41.9 -17.527 -178.735 500 4.9 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 24/07/2002 19:24.1 -23.56 179.891 600 4 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS REGION ISLANDS 22/07/2002 02:36.4 -14.954 -176.734 33 5.2 FIJI ISLANDS REGION Average Mag 5.02 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail.dat" From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:22:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 05:22:32.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[C02557C0:01C248D2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com LOL, straight to the point, but i agree... *my thinking* Its only the Bright green gone so here is my thinking lol... Internally the BoM are/soon to be using 16 diiferent colours to show rain rate, but we are still stuck with 6, im wondering if the Base map change on public radar images could be to set up 16 level display, in which the bright green that was on there, is actually a rain level now, and therefor they had to take it off the base maps. http://www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/16level.gif 16 level radar used during the Olympics, which they have only JUST stopped updating...But it has the 16 level colour scheme that could be why the green is gone, the rain rate is crazy though, from 100mm/hr to 900mm/hr in one shade, LOL *END my thoughts* Cheers Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > They've destroyed it!!! It looks horrible!!! > > AC > > > Simon Angell wrote: > > > > Hi all > > > > Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... > > Interesting... > > > > what do other people think of it? > > > > Old > > www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/old.gif > > and New..... > > www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/new.gif > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:24:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 05:24:29.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[05F5A840:01C248D3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There back to normal, perhaps it was just a fault in the image software???? Oh well, lets hope they don't go back!!! Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > They've destroyed it!!! It looks horrible!!! > > AC > > > Simon Angell wrote: > > > > Hi all > > > > Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... > > Interesting... > > > > what do other people think of it? > > > > Old > > www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/old.gif > > and New..... > > www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/new.gif > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:25:47 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 05:25:48.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[34DD1A80:01C248D3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Have a look at the current Melbourne one! http://www.lightningphotography.com/aswa/radar_loop.php?lc=Melbourne&id=021.loop&st=vic It's better in some ways. You can see terrain height, which rules, but the sea colour is too bright, and I think the land could be a bit more dull too. I agree about the place names and radar grid. I needs to be green still Liam >From: "James Chambers" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:05:09 +1000 > >Hi all > >I don't like it. Recently they changed the colour of the place names and >for when precip moved over them - ie from green to black. Now the lines >are >all black and when precip moves over, they turn grey! I preferred the >original change. > >PS: Good soaking rain here - same as what Anthony has been enjoying. >24.8mm in the gauge since 9am yesterday - close! > >James Chambers > > > >Hi all > > >Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... >Interesting... > >what do other people think of it? > >Old >www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/old.gif >and New..... >www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/new.gif > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "James Chambers" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:54:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com They are brilliant!!!! Love them!! They must be testing - its gone back to the way it was now. James PS: 33mm here now...22.5mm since 9am - good soaking rain (though heavy recently) > Have a look at the current Melbourne one! > > http://www.lightningphotography.com/aswa/radar_loop.php?lc=Melbourne&id=021. loop&st=vic > > It's better in some ways. You can see terrain height, which rules, but the > sea colour is too bright, and I think the land could be a bit more dull too. > > I agree about the place names and radar grid. I needs to be green still > > > Liam > > > >From: "James Chambers" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:05:09 +1000 > > > >Hi all > > > >I don't like it. Recently they changed the colour of the place names and > >for when precip moved over them - ie from green to black. Now the lines > >are > >all black and when precip moves over, they turn grey! I preferred the > >original change. > > > >PS: Good soaking rain here - same as what Anthony has been enjoying. > >24.8mm in the gauge since 9am yesterday - close! > > > >James Chambers > > > > > > >Hi all > > > > >Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... > >Interesting... > > > >what do other people think of it? > > > >Old > >www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/old.gif > >and New..... > >www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/new.gif +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:12:06 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Earthquakes vs sun activity Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 01:02 PM 21/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Actually Robert, your query presupposes that there will *definitely* be >solar minima in 5-6 years time. I think that the discussion alters there >because, as I have watched - especially during this year - what is >classified as *normal* in solar cycles just hasn't taken place. This solar cycle seems to be somewhat different. There have been "double peaked" cycles in the past, but this one has a triple peak, so far, and the sunspot numbers are still very high. Time will tell what happens from now on. It's also worth noting that some medium - long term climate changes have correlated with sunspot activity. For example, the "Mini Ice Age" of several hundred years ago occurred at a time solar activity was unusually low for decades. Of course, the converse argument now is that part of the cause of global warming could be related to increased solar activity in recent times. The Sun's activity is more complex than we ever imagined, but when there's energy transfers which may take up to a million years to get energy from the core to the surface, the associated phenomena are bound to be complex and have some long duration cycles. Solar physics and related sciences are fascinating. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:31:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don't mean to be too dumb here but where's the terrain height? I would be interested in that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Domanski" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > Have a look at the current Melbourne one! > > http://www.lightningphotography.com/aswa/radar_loop.php?lc=Melbourne&id=021. loop&st=vic > > It's better in some ways. You can see terrain height, which rules, but the > sea colour is too bright, and I think the land could be a bit more dull too. > > I agree about the place names and radar grid. I needs to be green still > > > Liam > > > >From: "James Chambers" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:05:09 +1000 > > > >Hi all > > > >I don't like it. Recently they changed the colour of the place names and > >for when precip moved over them - ie from green to black. Now the lines > >are > >all black and when precip moves over, they turn grey! I preferred the > >original change. > > > >PS: Good soaking rain here - same as what Anthony has been enjoying. > >24.8mm in the gauge since 9am yesterday - close! > > > >James Chambers > > > > > > >Hi all > > > > >Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... > >Interesting... > > > >what do other people think of it? > > > >Old > >www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/old.gif > >and New..... > >www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/new.gif > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:44:32 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 08:44:33.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8B6C8A0:01C248EE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com In the few frames where it was changed, it had hypsometric tinting, such as on aviation WAC maps. It's all gone back to normal now. Maybe they were testing new ideas. Liam >From: "Bussy" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:31:10 +1000 > >Don't mean to be too dumb here but where's the terrain height? I would be >interested in that. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Liam Domanski" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:25 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > > > > Have a look at the current Melbourne one! > > > > >http://www.lightningphotography.com/aswa/radar_loop.php?lc=Melbourne&id=021. >loop&st=vic > > > > It's better in some ways. You can see terrain height, which rules, but >the > > sea colour is too bright, and I think the land could be a bit more dull >too. > > > > I agree about the place names and radar grid. I needs to be green still > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > >From: "James Chambers" > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > > >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:05:09 +1000 > > > > > >Hi all > > > > > >I don't like it. Recently they changed the colour of the place names >and > > >for when precip moved over them - ie from green to black. Now the >lines > > >are > > >all black and when precip moves over, they turn grey! I preferred the > > >original change. > > > > > >PS: Good soaking rain here - same as what Anthony has been enjoying. > > >24.8mm in the gauge since 9am yesterday - close! > > > > > >James Chambers > > > > > > > > > >Hi all > > > > > > >Just opened up BoM radar to discover a new map presentation... > > >Interesting... > > > > > >what do other people think of it? > > > > > >Old > > >www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/old.gif > > >and New..... > > >www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/new.gif > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:00:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 09:01:37.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B35DCD0:01C248F1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From the forum.... from "toony" Hi everyone, Just letting you guys know that the radar is now back to normal. The new terrain base maps are only currently avail for Melb & East Sales (BoM internally only). Other sites had the brown stuff. These maps are in testing phase on the backup server. Main radar server went down and the backup (testing) server kicked in, hence you guys getting funny base maps. Main server up again so everything should be back to normal. Cheers Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Domanski" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > In the few frames where it was changed, it had hypsometric tinting, such as > on aviation WAC maps. > > It's all gone back to normal now. > > > Maybe they were testing new ideas. > > > Liam > > > >From: "Bussy" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:31:10 +1000 > > > >Don't mean to be too dumb here but where's the terrain height? I would be > >interested in that. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Liam Domanski" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:25 PM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BoM radar Maps > > > > > > > Have a look at the current Melbourne one! > > > > > > > >http://www.lightningphotography.com/aswa/radar_loop.php?lc=Melbourne&id=021 From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: New (and old) Winter pics. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 09:19:29.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA0C7EE0:01C248F3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Ive followed in Jane's foot steps and selected some of my better pics from Winter 2002 and bundled them together. www.canberra-wx.com/pics/winter2002/ You may have seen some of them before, but thought i should bundle them up so did. :) Enjoy Cheers Simon. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Damien Howes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:19:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Anthony + All, Anthony wrote.. > That is combining with the 850 high and > directing stronger 850 winds over the southern QLD coast, and has helped > increase the moisture and rain. The winds will probably further increase > tonight...I wouldn't be surprised if there are some locally heavy falls > and local thunder about overnight! Tomorrow we may even be lucky enough > to get a clearing thundery change on the wind shift if things go our > way. >> > I have just noticed a couple of embedded cells - with lightning- have passed over Gayndah and are drifting SE towards Bris. Its still cooking. Damien. ================================================================== > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2002-08-02 > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Bight cold pool. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:21:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 12:23:13.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[84DB4400:01C2490D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
Have you noticed the wriggly looking cold pool heading north-eastward to the southwest of Tasmania, some impressive cold air CBs in this lot, worth keeping an eye on this area over the next 12 hours,appears the 500hpa temp is very low near to the core of this cold advection,a wish forecast perhaps, but if this cold pool mixes with the east coast vorticity! we will see. regards Clyve H.
From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:29:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Well this is turning into a good rain event for SEQ. Rain yesterday was 20.0mm with another 10.0mm overnight to 9:00am. Total rainfall from this event at Mt. Crosby now 40.5mm. Regards, John. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:50:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 02:52:00.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2D79620:01C24986] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John. This interesting rain event can be traced back to almost a week ago when there was a marked build up in mid level moisture over northern and central QLD, this mid level baroclinic region seems to have interacted with a small breakaway upper cold pool that originated from near Perth late last week and drifted north-eastward into central QLD a couple of days ago.It's good to see this area of Aus getting beneficial rain in a month when this type of activity is rather rare. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Woodbridge To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. > Hi All, > > Well this is turning into a good rain event for SEQ. Rain yesterday was > 20.0mm with another 10.0mm overnight to 9:00am. Total rainfall from this > event at Mt. Crosby now 40.5mm. > > Regards, > John. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:36:29 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Latest pics Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello, For those interested in winter scenery and frost in particular, check out this from the severe frost this winter at my place: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20020822.html Temps -5C rounded off There were some sunrise pics as well. Of course, the US pics which had been mentioned earlier though the server stuffed up are still here: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20020623.html http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd2002062302.html http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd2002062303.html Keeps a mind occupied when bored. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:30:52 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Latest pics X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy, your last sentence is an impossibility. One cannot look at your photos and be bored. At least it would be impossible to remain bored. Good work! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:36:29 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Latest pics > Hello, > > For those interested in winter scenery and frost in particular, check > out > this from the severe frost this winter at my place: > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20020822 > .html > > Temps -5C rounded off > > There were some sunrise pics as well. > > Of course, the US pics which had been mentioned earlier though the > server > stuffed up are still here: > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20020623 > .html > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20020623 > 02.html > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20020623 > 03.html > > Keeps a mind occupied when bored. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:21:54 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler Subject: aus-wx: Red lightning X-X-Sender: robert at tornado.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all This was a reader's response to a question posed in a New Scientist from last month: Q. Earlier this year I was watching a nighttime thunderstorm. The sky was lit up by some of the most sustained flashes I have ever seen, some lasting up to three seconds. One the longest of these sustained flashes there was a strange phenomenon. The white light grew more and more intense, then suddenly changed to red, just before it faded. What could have caused this? A. Lightning is an electrical discharge, or plasma, generated by a flow of electrical current through the atmosphere. In general, a plasma is created when a gas heats up enough to become ionised - in other words, a significant fraction of the atoms and molecules lose their electrons. As a consequence, the gas conducts electricity and emits electromagnetic radiation: the two principal observable features of a plasma. A lightning plasma is quite dense, because the degree of ionisation in the air near the lightning is high. It therefore gives off a lot of infrared, visible light and ultraviolet. A lightning flash consists mainly of light emitted at all wavelengths, plus line and band emissions at characteristic wavelengths from the atoms and molecules present in the surrounding air - mostly argon, oxygen, nitrogen and water. The lightning we see contains contributions from all these sources and the colour depends on the kind of atoms in the air. A discharge in dry air looks white because there are few strong visible lines - those which exist are mainly blue and violet - and the bulk of the visible light is emitted in a continuous spectrum. If water vapour is present, then the hydrogen atoms in the water create a very strong red line (known as the Balmer alpha line) that can dominate the visible line emission. If this line is superimposed on the white background created by the other atoms in the plasma, it would explain the reddish appearance of some lightning flashes. The reddish colour will be easier to see at night. The variability in the amount of red in a series of lightning flashes is explained by variations in the amount of water in the air. In addition, water vapour or tiny water droplets are more easily ionised and their hydrogen atoms more easily excited than the hydrogen in large water droplets - the latter must first evaporate, which takes longer than the duration of a single flash. It is possible that large droplets were broken up during a long series of localised flashes reported by your correspondent, thereby creating an exceptional redness. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences PO Box 28M Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.27] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Red lightning Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:06 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 12:58:06.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[8ED11DD0:01C249DB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Rob & all, That article certainly goes a long way to explaining things. Does that give you anyone a clue as to how to explain the green lightning a number of us (including the Senior Forecaster at the BoM) saw earlier this month - no, it wasn't power flashes????? I have no idea what colour tendencies different atoms have (chemistry was, and still is, my weakest subject) so any help would be greatly appreciated. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) Secretary & Victorian Representative http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- Hey all This was a reader's response to a question posed in a New Scientist from last month: Q. Earlier this year I was watching a nighttime thunderstorm. The sky was lit up by some of the most sustained flashes I have ever seen, some lasting up to three seconds. One the longest of these sustained flashes there was a strange phenomenon. The white light grew more and more intense, then suddenly changed to red, just before it faded. What could have caused this? A. Lightning is an electrical discharge, or plasma, generated by a flow of electrical current through the atmosphere. In general, a plasma is created when a gas heats up enough to become ionised - in other words, a significant fraction of the atoms and molecules lose their electrons. As a consequence, the gas conducts electricity and emits electromagnetic radiation: the two principal observable features of a plasma. A lightning plasma is quite dense, because the degree of ionisation in the air near the lightning is high. It therefore gives off a lot of infrared, visible light and ultraviolet. A lightning flash consists mainly of light emitted at all wavelengths, plus line and band emissions at characteristic wavelengths from the atoms and molecules present in the surrounding air - mostly argon, oxygen, nitrogen and water. The lightning we see contains contributions from all these sources and the colour depends on the kind of atoms in the air. A discharge in dry air looks white because there are few strong visible lines - those which exist are mainly blue and violet - and the bulk of the visible light is emitted in a continuous spectrum. If water vapour is present, then the hydrogen atoms in the water create a very strong red line (known as the Balmer alpha line) that can dominate the visible line emission. If this line is superimposed on the white background created by the other atoms in the plasma, it would explain the reddish appearance of some lightning flashes. The reddish colour will be easier to see at night. The variability in the amount of red in a series of lightning flashes is explained by variations in the amount of water in the air. In addition, water vapour or tiny water droplets are more easily ionised and their hydrogen atoms more easily excited than the hydrogen in large water droplets - the latter must first evaporate, which takes longer than the duration of a single flash. It is possible that large droplets were broken up during a long series of localised flashes reported by your correspondent, thereby creating an exceptional redness. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences PO Box 28M Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Shane Williams" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:02:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, 67 mm of rain fell in our thirsty Hinze Dam yesterday till 9am this morning. Good news for us Gold Coast residents. 71mm at my place near Nerang. However even with the amount of rainfall received this week we desperately need follow up rain in September, being so long without decent rains the ground has only soaked in the wet. Lets hope things go well for everyone this wet season especially in SEQ as its been said that March is expected to be very wet. Cheers Shane -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Clyve Herbert Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:50 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Hi John. This interesting rain event can be traced back to almost a week ago when there was a marked build up in mid level moisture over northern and central QLD, this mid level baroclinic region seems to have interacted with a small breakaway upper cold pool that originated from near Perth late last week and drifted north-eastward into central QLD a couple of days ago.It's good to see this area of Aus getting beneficial rain in a month when this type of activity is rather rare. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Woodbridge To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. > Hi All, > > Well this is turning into a good rain event for SEQ. Rain yesterday was > 20.0mm with another 10.0mm overnight to 9:00am. Total rainfall from this > event at Mt. Crosby now 40.5mm. > > Regards, > John. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Peter Konnecke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Red lightning Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:18:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I remember seeing "green" lighning outside of Warwick QLD at about 20:30 on Feb 8th this year. The flashes lasted about 2-3 seconds but had a weird ball like effect about half way up the bolt. Strange ... or is this more common than we think ? Thanks Rob for the article Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Red lightning > Hey Rob & all, > > That article certainly goes a long way to explaining things. Does that give > you anyone a clue as to how to explain the green lightning a number of us > (including the Senior Forecaster at the BoM) saw earlier this month - no, it > wasn't power flashes????? I have no idea what colour tendencies different > atoms have (chemistry was, and still is, my weakest subject) so any help > would be greatly appreciated. > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) > Secretary & Victorian Representative > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > Hey all > > This was a reader's response to a question posed in a New Scientist from > last month: > > > Q. Earlier this year I was watching a nighttime thunderstorm. The sky > was lit up by some of the most sustained flashes I have ever seen, some > lasting up to three seconds. One the longest of these sustained flashes > there was a strange phenomenon. The white light grew more and more > intense, then suddenly changed to red, just before it faded. What could > have caused this? > > A. Lightning is an electrical discharge, or plasma, generated by a flow of > electrical current through the atmosphere. In general, a plasma is > created when a gas heats up enough to become ionised - in other words, a > significant fraction of the atoms and molecules lose their electrons. As > a consequence, the gas conducts electricity and emits electromagnetic > radiation: the two principal observable features of a plasma. > > A lightning plasma is quite dense, because the degree of ionisation in the > air near the lightning is high. It therefore gives off a lot of infrared, > visible light and ultraviolet. A lightning flash consists mainly of light > emitted at all wavelengths, plus line and band emissions at characteristic > wavelengths from the atoms and molecules present in the surrounding air - > mostly argon, oxygen, nitrogen and water. The lightning we see contains > contributions from all these sources and the colour depends on the kind of > atoms in the air. > > A discharge in dry air looks white because there are few strong visible > lines - those which exist are mainly blue and violet - and the bulk of the > visible light is emitted in a continuous spectrum. If water vapour is > present, then the hydrogen atoms in the water create a very strong red > line (known as the Balmer alpha line) that can dominate the visible line > emission. If this line is superimposed on the white background created by > the other atoms in the plasma, it would explain the reddish appearance of > some lightning flashes. The reddish colour will be easier to see at > night. The variability in the amount of red in a series of lightning > flashes is explained by variations in the amount of water in the air. In > addition, water vapour or tiny water droplets are more easily ionised and > their hydrogen atoms more easily excited than the hydrogen in large water > droplets - the latter must first evaporate, which takes longer than the > duration of a single flash. It is possible that large droplets were > broken up during a long series of localised flashes reported by your > correspondent, thereby creating an exceptional redness. > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > PO Box 28M > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:22:37 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Red lightning and Green? X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks for passing on that clearly stated explanation for red lightning, but did anyone figure out what was being ionised to form the green lightning we were all getting excited about a while back? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: Robert Goler To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:21:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: aus-wx: Red lightning > > Hey all > > This was a reader's response to a question posed in a New Scientist > from > last month: > > > Q. Earlier this year I was watching a nighttime thunderstorm. The sky > was lit up by some of the most sustained flashes I have ever seen, some > lasting up to three seconds. One the longest of these sustained > flashes > there was a strange phenomenon. The white light grew more and more > intense, then suddenly changed to red, just before it faded. What > could > have caused this? > > A. Lightning is an electrical discharge, or plasma, generated by a flow > of > electrical current through the atmosphere. In general, a plasma is > created when a gas heats up enough to become ionised - in other words, > a > significant fraction of the atoms and molecules lose their electrons. > As > a consequence, the gas conducts electricity and emits electromagnetic > radiation: the two principal observable features of a plasma. > > A lightning plasma is quite dense, because the degree of ionisation in > the > air near the lightning is high. It therefore gives off a lot of > infrared, > visible light and ultraviolet. A lightning flash consists mainly of > light > emitted at all wavelengths, plus line and band emissions at > characteristic > wavelengths from the atoms and molecules present in the surrounding air > - > mostly argon, oxygen, nitrogen and water. The lightning we see > contains > contributions from all these sources and the colour depends on the kind > of > atoms in the air. > > A discharge in dry air looks white because there are few strong visible > lines - those which exist are mainly blue and violet - and the bulk of > the > visible light is emitted in a continuous spectrum. If water vapour is > present, then the hydrogen atoms in the water create a very strong red > line (known as the Balmer alpha line) that can dominate the visible > line > emission. If this line is superimposed on the white background created > by > the other atoms in the plasma, it would explain the reddish appearance > of > some lightning flashes. The reddish colour will be easier to see at > night. The variability in the amount of red in a series of lightning > flashes is explained by variations in the amount of water in the air. > In > addition, water vapour or tiny water droplets are more easily ionised > and > their hydrogen atoms more easily excited than the hydrogen in large > water > droplets - the latter must first evaporate, which takes longer than the > duration of a single flash. It is possible that large droplets were > broken up during a long series of localised flashes reported by your > correspondent, thereby creating an exceptional redness. > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > PO Box 28M > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:39:28 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler Subject: Re: aus-wx: Red lightning and Green? X-X-Sender: robert at tornado.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Phil Smith wrote: > Thanks for passing on that clearly stated explanation for red lightning, > but did anyone figure out what was being ionised to form the green > lightning we were all getting excited about a while back? I know off the top of my head that ionised oxygen emits in the green part of the spectrum. I can only suppose that it requires some special conditions, eg intense energy(?) for it not to be seen more frequently though. Any chemists out there??? Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences PO Box 28M Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:56:15 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Red lightning and Green? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:39 PM 22/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I know off the top of my head that ionised oxygen emits in the green part >of the spectrum. I can only suppose that it requires some special >conditions, eg intense energy(?) for it not to be seen more frequently >though. Any chemists out there??? Very interesting. I didn't see the green lightning in the storm Jane mentioned. I was chasing from the west at the time, and all reports of green lightning came from east of the same cell. From a few km west, it was white. I vividly recall the green lightning from the March (16?) storm that Macca and I both observed from different vantage points. Did those pictures ever get captured from the video? 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Debbie Parker" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Red lightning and Green? Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:14:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Nitrogen (& argon) has a spectral emission line in the green range (around 500nm) of the spectrum too - I'd have to look up the energy levels to determine how difficult it is to get to those emission lines. Cheers Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Red lightning and Green? > On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Phil Smith wrote: > > > Thanks for passing on that clearly stated explanation for red lightning, > > but did anyone figure out what was being ionised to form the green > > lightning we were all getting excited about a while back? > > I know off the top of my head that ionised oxygen emits in the green part > of the spectrum. I can only suppose that it requires some special > conditions, eg intense energy(?) for it not to be seen more frequently > though. Any chemists out there??? > > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > PO Box 28M > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: "simon angell" , "Rod Angell" , "Pauline" , "Nicole" , "Max" , "Matt Cook" , "Luke" , "kristy" , "Bruce Buckman" , "Brooke Rogers" , "Brett" , "Aza" , "Aussie-Wx" , "Anna" , "Andy" , "\(*\)\(F\)flutterby\(F\)\(*\)" Subject: aus-wx: New Wallpaper images Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:25:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 19:26:15.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8624CA0:01C24A11] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Potential cold nights Vic. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:22:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 00:24:35.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[753CF410:01C24A3B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
Just checking the airmass starting to infiltrate the southeast of Australia which is showing up over Victoria with the signature of 'dry' and cold away from the coast, Looks to be the possibility of near record low minima over the inland of Vic over the next several days, with the possibility of very low minima extending to southern Victoria on the weekend depending on the axis of the ridge, get ready to break the ice in the dogs water bowl. regards Clyve Herbert.
From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Potential cold nights Vic. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:35:53 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C24A8F.028A6C00 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi all. > Just checking the airmass starting to infiltrate the southeast of = > Australia which is showing up over Victoria with the signature of 'dry' = > and cold away from the coast, Looks to be the possibility of near record = > low minima over the inland of Vic over the next several days, with the = > possibility of very low minima extending to southern Victoria on the = > weekend depending on the axis of the ridge, get ready to break the ice = > in the dogs water bowl. regards Clyve Herbert. Only thing which might hurt us for records is the timing in the month - if this situation was a week later I'd be expecting September records to be falling like ninepins. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:47:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve, Yes, very good call you made there. Ended up with 47.5mm for the entire 3 day event at Mt. Crosby, which certainly wasn't predicted by the BoM in advance (other than the possibility of showers) and was well ahead of the long term August mean of 33mm (Ipswich data). Neither, as far as I am aware, was it predicted by Ken Ring, but of course he can possibly correct us on that... Some of the falls in coastal centres would have been more than double my figures I would suspect (Coolangatta, etc). The rainfall was only briefly ever a heavy drizzle at best and well spread out over the 3 days, which meant zero runoff, thus ideal for ground penetration. Regards, John W. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Clyve Herbert Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:50 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Hi John. This interesting rain event can be traced back to almost a week ago when there was a marked build up in mid level moisture over northern and central QLD, this mid level baroclinic region seems to have interacted with a small breakaway upper cold pool that originated from near Perth late last week and drifted north-eastward into central QLD a couple of days ago.It's good to see this area of Aus getting beneficial rain in a month when this type of activity is rather rare. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: "simon angell" , "Rod Angell" , "Pauline" , "Paul Rands" , "Nicole" , "Max" , "Matt Cook" , "Luke" , "kristy" , "Joey" , "Bruce Buckman" , "Brooke Rogers" , "Brett" , "Aza" , "Aussie-Wx" , "Anna" , "Andy" , "\(*\)\(F\)flutterby\(F\)\(*\)" Subject: aus-wx: New website layout. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:15:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 06:15:43.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[831A0880:01C24A6C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tasman sea low. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:24:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 06:25:58.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1996D90:01C24A6D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
Some interesting stuff over the Tasman Sea this afternoon with what appears to be some potential for heavy rain on the west coast of the south island of NZ,this system is still developing with the cold pool just starting to interact with it over the central Tasman, another mid level cold pool can be seen just near to the north coast of NSW, Victorians feel a little cheated but never mind our turn will come........regards Clyve H.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:47:15 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We had 92.8mm here over the past few days - very nice and welcome! As you mentioned John, it was spread over a few days so that meant most of it soaked into the ground. A heavy downpour would have done more harm than good due to the nature of the soil right now. Although I'm sure that some of the dams could have used a heavy downpour. Only 28.5mm at my parents' farm though apparently (in the Lockyer Valley where rain was needed even more). AC John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi Clyve, > > Yes, very good call you made there. Ended up with 47.5mm for the entire 3 > day event at Mt. Crosby, which certainly wasn't predicted by the BoM in > advance (other than the possibility of showers) and was well ahead of the > long term August mean of 33mm (Ipswich data). Neither, as far as I am > aware, was it predicted by Ken Ring, but of course he can possibly correct > us on that... > > Some of the falls in coastal centres would have been more than double my > figures I would suspect (Coolangatta, etc). The rainfall was only briefly > ever a heavy drizzle at best and well spread out over the 3 days, which > meant zero runoff, thus ideal for ground penetration. > > Regards, > John W. > > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Clyve Herbert > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:50 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. > > Hi John. > This interesting rain event can be traced back to almost a week ago when > there was a marked build up in mid level moisture over northern and central > QLD, this mid level baroclinic region seems to have interacted with a small > breakaway upper cold pool that originated from near Perth late last week and > drifted north-eastward into central QLD a couple of days ago.It's good to > see this area of Aus getting beneficial rain in a month when this type of > activity is rather rare. regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.40] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference photos Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:15:36 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 07:15:37.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0EDFC70:01C24A74] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, Photos of the ASWA Conference weekend in Sydney can be found here..... http://www.stormchasers.au.com/agm2002.htm BTW, this is only a start, there are more to come. Enjoy!! Hope to meet all 250 members at the next Conference!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) Secretary & Victorian Representative http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:35:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.5] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Weather Stats software Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:51:19 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 09:51:19.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[A17DBE70:01C24A8A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, For those of us using the Weather Stats program running on the desktop which allows you to keep a 'weather eye' (sorry, couldn't resist that one.......) on the conditions at a location of your choice around Australia, the latest upgrade at the beginning or August now allows 2 items of information to be shown as well as a 'direction of movement' indicator....I'm running the temperature & dewpoint for Dunns Hill (Mt Dandenong) which is currently showing 3.6C/0.5C (actually it's now 3.7C/0.8C). This little program (1.09MB - 5 minutes to download over a 56k modem) sources its information direct from the BoM with metropolitan conditions updated every 15 mins or so, and with regional information updated every hour. You can choose to show a combination of any of the following 2: temperature, dewpoint, RH, wind direction, wind speed, nautical wind speed, wind gust, nautical wind gust, barometric pressure, rain since 9am. http://www.birdcagesoft.com.au/index1.html or download directly from this link on their page.... http://downloadmp3software.com/freeload/wthrinst.exe Great little program - I've been running it for the past 2 years.
Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) Secretary & Victorian Representative http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:50:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 10:50:39.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB62B330:01C24A92] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just back from a short break up in Cairns (where it was overcast but didn't rain much - in the city anyway). But I can top your SE QLD totals with an aggregate of 106mm for the rain event here in Bayside Cleveland. And to think I am usually the wooden spooner. I have never ever recorded a wetter August !!!!!!!!! So green is my garden in such a short time - and boy are those frogs (toads ?) crokin' tonight. About time too. El-nino anomoly or what ?????? Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. > We had 92.8mm here over the past few days - very nice and welcome! As > you mentioned John, it was spread over a few days so that meant most of > it soaked into the ground. A heavy downpour would have done more harm > than good due to the nature of the soil right now. Although I'm sure > that some of the dams could have used a heavy downpour. > > Only 28.5mm at my parents' farm though apparently (in the Lockyer Valley > where rain was needed even more). > > AC > > John Woodbridge wrote: > > > > Hi Clyve, > > > > Yes, very good call you made there. Ended up with 47.5mm for the entire 3 > > day event at Mt. Crosby, which certainly wasn't predicted by the BoM in > > advance (other than the possibility of showers) and was well ahead of the > > long term August mean of 33mm (Ipswich data). Neither, as far as I am > > aware, was it predicted by Ken Ring, but of course he can possibly correct > > us on that... > > > > Some of the falls in coastal centres would have been more than double my > > figures I would suspect (Coolangatta, etc). The rainfall was only briefly > > ever a heavy drizzle at best and well spread out over the 3 days, which > > meant zero runoff, thus ideal for ground penetration. > > > > Regards, > > John W. > > > > >snip > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Clyve Herbert > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:50 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity. > > > > Hi John. > > This interesting rain event can be traced back to almost a week ago when > > there was a marked build up in mid level moisture over northern and central > > QLD, this mid level baroclinic region seems to have interacted with a small > > breakaway upper cold pool that originated from near Perth late last week and > > drifted north-eastward into central QLD a couple of days ago.It's good to > > see this area of Aus getting beneficial rain in a month when this type of > > activity is rather rare. regards Clyve Herbert. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:02:46 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Stats software Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 07:51 PM 23/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Evening all, > >For those of us using the Weather Stats program running on the desktop >which allows you to keep a 'weather eye' (sorry, couldn't resist Giving this one a whirl. Looks nice. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Originating-IP: [203.55.153.5] From: "Jane ONeill" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Deformation zones Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:01:43 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 12:01:44.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[D942EA30:01C24A9C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Became very interested in the deformation zone which became very clearly defined on the back edge of the cloud area over the Tasman Sea today http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Aug02/08231600wzonecol.jpg , which seems to be located between 600 and 300hPa, and after a bit of research I came up with the following information and sites regarding deformation zones and other phenomena.. a definition from the National Weather Service "DEFORMATION ZONE (DFRMTN ZN) - An area in the atmosphere where winds converge along one axis and diverge along another. Deformation zones (or axis of deformation as they are sometimes referred to) can produce clouds and precipitation." This site seems to have the clearest explanation about deformation zones that I've been able to find http://www.zamg.ac.at/docu/satmanu4.0/satmanu/manual/Def/def0.htm Can someone with more detailed knowledge please help me understand exactly why they develop where they develop, and did I estimate the height ok? Also of interest is Satellite Images for Turbulence Events http://orbit-net.nesdis.noaa.gov/arad/fpdt/turbimgs.html Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) Secretary & Victorian Representative http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Conference photos Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:49:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 13:51:41.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[356DBDD0:01C24AAC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Fantastic Jane, memories come flooding back, lol Cheers --------------------------------------------------------- Simon Angell Canberra ACT www.canberra-wx.com --------------------------------------------------------- Member of: Australian Severe Weather Association. www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------------------------- This email is virus free. Scanned before leaving my mailbox using Norton Antivirus 2002 for Win2k Scanned with the latest definition File. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Conference photos > Afternoon all, > > Photos of the ASWA Conference weekend in Sydney can be found here..... > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/agm2002.htm > BTW, this is only a start, there are more to come. > > Enjoy!! > > Hope to meet all 250 members at the next Conference!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) > Secretary & Victorian Representative > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Get your calculator out Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:49:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Crickets can tell people the temperature. If you take the number of noises a cricket makes in 14 seconds, then add 40 and
you'll get the temperature in Fahrenheit.
Wonder if we give the crickets the formula that then we can get the results in Celsius :-)

 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:40:09 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:49 PM 23/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Crickets can tell people the temperature. If you take the number of noises >a cricket makes in 14 seconds, then add 40 and >you'll get the temperature in Fahrenheit. >Wonder if we give the crickets the formula that then we can get the >results in Celsius :-) no, we'd need GM crickets with a metric gene ;) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:40:09 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:49 PM 23/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Crickets can tell people the temperature. If you take the number of noises >a cricket makes in 14 seconds, then add 40 and >you'll get the temperature in Fahrenheit. >Wonder if we give the crickets the formula that then we can get the >results in Celsius :-) no, we'd need GM crickets with a metric gene ;) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Sha" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:47:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well actually Tanya ........ News Alert for "Mount Pago volcano" Thu Aug 22, 5:48 AM ET Lava begins flowing from Papua New Guinea volcano (Associated Press) Lava has begun flowing from a volcano in northern Papua New Guinea, three weeks after thousands of villagers were evacuated from nearby villages when it began spewing smoke and ash. http://rd.yahoo.com/alerts/email/news/*http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl =story&u=/ap/20020822/ap_wo_en_ge/papua_new_guinea_volcano_1 Love Sha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanya" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fw: M 7.7 EQ SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS Z=694km Mon Aug 19 11:08:25 2002 UTC 23.81S 178.36E I can definetely say that the fiji islands is NEVER this active! Possibly a sign of some pyroclastic flows to come :-) Tanya --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 22/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Stats software Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:53:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 17:54:12.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[16717D50:01C24ACE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ive been using it for ~2 years, great little program, and its getting better by the month, graphing ability from the eastern states AWS's will apparently be the next feature in a few weeks time. Cheers --------------------------------------------------------- Simon Angell Canberra ACT www.canberra-wx.com --------------------------------------------------------- Member of: Australian Severe Weather Association. www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------------------------- This email is virus free. Scanned before leaving my mailbox using Norton Antivirus 2002 for Win2k Scanned with the latest definition File. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Stats software > At 07:51 PM 23/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Evening all, > > > >For those of us using the Weather Stats program running on the desktop > >which allows you to keep a 'weather eye' (sorry, couldn't resist > > > Giving this one a whirl. Looks nice. :) > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:13:30 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > El-nino anomoly or what ?????? > Actually, the relationship between El Nino and rainfall on the east coast south of Fraser Island is pretty weak (bordering on non-existent on the NSW North Coast). Inland it's a different story, although in northern NSW/southern Queensland the relationship is weaker in spring than it is in winter (further south the reverse is true). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:51:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Keith Barnett's presentation at the ASWA Conference last weekend showed some of these so called relationships and presented some very interesting results in relation to Turramurra/Observatory Hill in Sydney. The presentation was awesome-it would be good it some of it was able to be put on the net dann ____________________________ Daniel Weatherhead weatherhead at ozemail.com.au Blaxland, NSW ============================ SYDNEY STORM CHASERS http://www.sydneystormchasers.com ============================ ----- Original Message ----- From: Blair Trewin To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. > > > > El-nino anomoly or what ?????? > > > > Actually, the relationship between El Nino and rainfall on the east > coast south of Fraser Island is pretty weak (bordering on non-existent > on the NSW North Coast). > > Inland it's a different story, although in northern NSW/southern > Queensland the relationship is weaker in spring than it is in winter > (further south the reverse is true). > > Blair > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sneaky upper feature QLD. Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:46:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2002 05:48:49.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB9FE300:01C24B31] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
Just as the Queenslanders are putting away they raingauges, have you noticed yet another upper trough starting to generate a large area of mid and high cloud over central south QLD, this development looks to have the upper vorticity over northwest NSW and is rather weak. regards Clyve H.
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:06:18 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Blair, I was actually under the impression that SE QLD/NE NSW had a fairly significant relationship with SOI? (Although certainly not in recent years...) AC Blair Trewin wrote: > > > > > El-nino anomoly or what ?????? > > > > Actually, the relationship between El Nino and rainfall on the east > coast south of Fraser Island is pretty weak (bordering on non-existent > on the NSW North Coast). > > Inland it's a different story, although in northern NSW/southern > Queensland the relationship is weaker in spring than it is in winter > (further south the reverse is true). > > Blair > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:10:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2002 06:10:12.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8211520:01C24B34] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dann Keith's presentation was great. I actually had just a quick moment to ask Keith after his presentation regarding East Coast Low / El-Nino type relationship as I suspect that the formation of ECL's can upset the El-Nino apple cart along the in SE QLD and N NSW Coast and ruin the dry relationship during an el-nino event along the coastline (as Blair pointed out). Although last week's event was not of an ECL type, I think it would be interesting to observe whether this type of low pressure is favoured / not favoured in el-nino, la-nina or during neutral spells. May be there is absolutely no relationship at all. Keith's presentation had so much studied material - it would be great to absorb it more closely on the net. Curiouser and curiouser - another upper event on the way as we speak. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "dann weatherhead" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. > Keith Barnett's presentation at the ASWA Conference last weekend showed some > of these so called relationships and presented some very interesting results > in relation to Turramurra/Observatory Hill in Sydney. > > The presentation was awesome-it would be good it some of it was able to be > put on the net > > dann > ____________________________ > Daniel Weatherhead > weatherhead at ozemail.com.au > Blaxland, NSW > ============================ > SYDNEY STORM CHASERS > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > ============================ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Blair Trewin > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. > > > > > > > > El-nino anomoly or what ?????? > > > > > > > Actually, the relationship between El Nino and rainfall on the east > > coast south of Fraser Island is pretty weak (bordering on non-existent > > on the NSW North Coast). > > > > Inland it's a different story, although in northern NSW/southern > > Queensland the relationship is weaker in spring than it is in winter > > (further south the reverse is true). > > > > Blair > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "NANDINA" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Wallpaper images Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:35:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Simon, thank you. They certainly are beautiful pictures. I love the first one. Cheers, Nandina ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Angell To: simon angell ; Rod Angell ; Pauline ; Nicole ; Max ; Matt Cook ; Luke ; kristy ; Bruce Buckman ; Brooke Rogers ; Brett ; Aza ; Aussie-Wx ; Anna ; Andy ; (*)(F)flutterby(F)(*) Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:25 AM Subject: aus-wx: New Wallpaper images Hi All. I have taken a some time and got around to making a few wallpaper sized images of a few of the better shots i have taken, most (actually all) are pictures from my cruise in January. There is 2 sizes of each image, 1024*768 and 800*600. If you want a bigger sixe just email me and i will see what i can do. www.canberra-wx.com/pics/wallpaper/ Cheers --------------------------------------------------------- Simon Angell Canberra ACT www.canberra-wx.com --------------------------------------------------------- Member of: Australian Severe Weather Association. www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------------------------- This email is virus free. Scanned before leaving my mailbox using Norton Antivirus 2002 for Win2k Scanned with the latest definition File. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Hello All:
       Hope everyone's doing well.
 I was wondering: what topographic/weather dynamics would have to be in place in AUS for ya'll to get F5 tornadoes(like we get in the US)? Since I'm not a "rocket scientist", I would best understand the explanation in small words, Please..lol...
Or, in other words, what would have to change, so F5(or F4) tornadoes could happen there?
       From dry and getting hotter Mena        David Powell
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:44:58 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: F5 Twisters X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Something needs to get in the road to be damaged or someone needs to be there to report it. I am still sure that most Australian tornados are never reported. This situation is improving as more Aussies go out storm chasing. Also most Aussie tornados never find anything remarkable to damage. When "farmer Joe" finds his crops stripped out of a line across his far paddock several miles from the house, how can he even guess a tornado might have been the culprit? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "arky dave" To: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:55:08 -0500 Subject: aus-wx: F5 Twisters > Hello All: > Hope everyone's doing well. > I was wondering: what topographic/weather dynamics would have to be in > place in AUS for ya'll to get F5 tornadoes(like we get in the US)? > Since I'm not a "rocket scientist", I would best understand the > explanation in small words, Please..lol... > Or, in other words, what would have to change, so F5(or F4) tornadoes > could happen there? > From dry and getting hotter Mena David Powell > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:55:16 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Fair go Tony! We can do without GM crickets! It's only a few more key presses on the calculator. After counting the number of noises made in 14 seconds, wouldn't you just add 8 instead of 40, multiply by 5 and then divide by 9? Actually, when you listen to the crickets in the jungle behind our place you'd either have to be drunk or a liar to claim to be able to count the noises they make in any number of seconds. You also have to be deaf not to hear them. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:40:09 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out > At 11:49 PM 23/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Crickets can tell people the temperature. If you take the number of > noises > >a cricket makes in 14 seconds, then add 40 and > >you'll get the temperature in Fahrenheit. > >Wonder if we give the crickets the formula that then we can get the > >results in Celsius :-) > > no, we'd need GM crickets with a metric gene ;) > > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: Monthly cliamte statements Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:12:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2002 13:12:46.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0066840:01C24B6F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All  
 I am currently putting together some charts and tables on the Canberra Climate and the trend in recent years.
I have been to the Announcments section on the BoM Website and got most of what i needed from there, however it is missing June 2001 and Nov 2000 monthly statements, do you know any place else i can get this info? or if you have it handy can you please email me with it (Blair?).?
 
Extremely Appriciated.

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From: "John Patten" To: Subject: aus-wx: Re: Weather statistics Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:17:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anthony Cornelius et al, for my interest - what statistical methodology is used to attribute an association or otherwise, for example between El Nino and local weather? I presume that you would compare a time series of local weather with El Nino or SOI. But what parameters of these continuous variables would be used? Interval medians, averages, daily data? What statistical packages are used? SAS, SPSS, Systat? I presume that weather has a very sophisticated statistical methodology underpinning it, and that I am revealing my abysmal ignorance by asking these questions. But I use statistics including non-parametric statistics in another difficult area (biostatistics) and it would be interesting to me to compare and contrast the techniques. Indeed this could be my niche - I would probably be more active at peering at tabulations and running stat engines than chasing weather. Probably as a consequence of age and infirmity. But not lack of interest. John Patten pattenj at optusnet.com.au www.members.opyusnet.com.au/~pattenj ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Cornelius To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. > Hi Blair, > > I was actually under the impression that SE QLD/NE NSW had a fairly > significant relationship with SOI? (Although certainly not in recent > years...) > > AC > > Blair Trewin wrote: > > > > > > > > El-nino anomoly or what ?????? > > > > > > > Actually, the relationship between El Nino and rainfall on the east > > coast south of Fraser Island is pretty weak (bordering on non-existent > > on the NSW North Coast). > > > > Inland it's a different story, although in northern NSW/southern > > Queensland the relationship is weaker in spring than it is in winter > > (further south the reverse is true). > > > > Blair > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Weather statistics Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:30:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John, In preparing my presentation at the recent conference I analysed the monthly rainfall totals in each of the three phases (positive, neutral and negative) of the Southern Oscillation Index. It was a non parametric technique --the Wilcoxon rank sum test, with a package that came with a text book on the subject. If you would like more details I will let you have them off the list. Keith Barnett Weather fanatic and classical musician ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned by Norton AntiVirus 2002 and is certified to be virus free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Patten" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: aus-wx: Re: Weather statistics > Anthony Cornelius et al, for my interest - what statistical methodology is > used to attribute an association or otherwise, for example between El Nino > and local weather? I presume that you would compare a time series of local > weather with El Nino or SOI. But what parameters of these continuous > variables would be used? Interval medians, averages, daily data? What > statistical packages are used? SAS, SPSS, Systat? > > I presume that weather has a very sophisticated statistical methodology > underpinning it, and that I am revealing my abysmal ignorance by asking > these questions. But I use statistics including non-parametric statistics > in another difficult area (biostatistics) and it would be interesting to me > to compare and contrast the techniques. Indeed this could be my niche - I > would probably be more active at peering at tabulations and running stat > engines than chasing weather. Probably as a consequence of age and > infirmity. But not lack of interest. > > John Patten > > pattenj at optusnet.com.au > www.members.opyusnet.com.au/~pattenj > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony Cornelius > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. > > > > Hi Blair, > > > > I was actually under the impression that SE QLD/NE NSW had a fairly > > significant relationship with SOI? (Although certainly not in recent > > years...) > > > > AC > > > > Blair Trewin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > El-nino anomoly or what ?????? > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the relationship between El Nino and rainfall on the east > > > coast south of Fraser Island is pretty weak (bordering on non-existent > > > on the NSW North Coast). > > > > > > Inland it's a different story, although in northern NSW/southern > > > Queensland the relationship is weaker in spring than it is in winter > > > (further south the reverse is true). > > > > > > Blair > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Anthony Cornelius > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > (07) 3390 4812 > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: QLD Vorticity - Wet wet wet. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:34:50 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi Blair, > > I was actually under the impression that SE QLD/NE NSW had a fairly > significant relationship with SOI? (Although certainly not in recent > years...) > > AC > East of the ranges it's pretty weak - have a look at the winter/spring composites at: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/soicomp.shtml Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: East Coast Low - Any comments ??? Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:36:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 04:36:07.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDF2C5E0:01C24BF0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Could a small ECL be developing east of Gladstone/Bundaberg at the moment ?
 
I know that the current north-south elongation of the high is not the usual type arrangement for their formation. However from the radar it looks like a tiny ECL may be forming/hovering just out to sea north of Hervey Bay. The radar can be a bit deceiving of course. The official observations don't seem to show anything.
 
Perhaps the experts can advise on this.
 
Its pouring down here in Cleveland as I type.
 
 
Regards
Simon
From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:41:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 06:41:11.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[66C38390:01C24C02] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
The official Bris-Vegas forecast is for:
 
Occasional showers - hmmmm ! Occasional sounds a bit like now and then (hit or miss) to me.
 
I very rarely criticisize BoM, but I think the use of the word 'occasional' may be a big mistake in this case.
 
Frequent showers may be better ! I would have gone for rain periods myself, but then again I am not a professional at this sort of stuff. So I'll leave it to them.
 
Regards
Simon
 
 
 
 
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:17:18 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon, I've often thought of "occasional showers" meaning the same thing. But I notice in the aviation forecast, "occasional" tends to be rated relatively high? (As in above "few" but less than "widespread"). But maybe I've interpreted that wrongly. Perhaps if this is actually where the definition of "occasional" stands, then the BoM should give a list of what certain descriptions mean. Ie risk/chance/isolated/few/occasional/widespread and so forth. Admittedly, I was a little surprised when the 4:10pm forecast was issued with "occasional showers" for tonight and tomorrow...at the very least I would have thought rain periods tonight? (It has been raining here for 3hrs non-stop so far...) And there was a fairly sizable area of rain moving over on radar at the time of the forecast! AC > Simon Clarke wrote: > > The official Bris-Vegas forecast is for: > > Occasional showers - hmmmm ! Occasional sounds a bit like now and then > (hit or miss) to me. > > I very rarely criticisize BoM, but I think the use of the word > 'occasional' may be a big mistake in this case. > > Frequent showers may be better ! I would have gone for rain periods > myself, but then again I am not a professional at this sort of stuff. > So I'll leave it to them. > > Regards > Simon > > > > -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:16:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi AC, "Occasional showers" LOL, it has been drizzling continually here at Mt. Crosby for the last 9 hours (since 4:00pm) with 21mm in guage at midnight. This makes it just about the best days rainfall since March 29. We had 323.5mm for the year to July 31. August is now at 69mm, which makes it the best month since March (92mm) and more than double the August mean (for Ipswich). This is of course, wonderful! John. >snip ... Admittedly, I was a little surprised when the 4:10pm forecast was issued with "occasional showers" for tonight and tomorrow...at the very least I would have thought rain periods tonight? (It has been raining here for 3hrs non-stop so far...) And there was a fairly sizable area of rain moving over on radar at the time of the forecast! AC +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:07:15 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aussie-weather-digest V1 #1625 Thread-Index: AcJMYd/e3dzAY7MMSIa5N27g7KEb0QAEJiGA From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 22:01:36.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB773BF0:01C24C82] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id SAA27423 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:40:09 +1000 From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out At 11:49 PM 23/08/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Crickets can tell people the temperature. If you take the number of noises >a cricket makes in 14 seconds, then add 40 and >you'll get the temperature in Fahrenheit. >Wonder if we give the crickets the formula that then we can get the >results in Celsius :-) How do you calibrate a cricket for temps less than 4.4 degrees C ? ie: if it doesn't make any noise? Pete. (Tried it once, but they kept climbing out through the slots in my Stevenson Screen!) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Steven Williams" To: Subject: aus-wx: NZ snow warning Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:46:28 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Severe Weather Warning

Issued by MetService at 06:17am 26-Aug-2002

SEVERE GALES ABOUT COASTAL OTAGO AND BANKS PENINSULA TODAY; HEAVY
SNOW IN THE SOUTH.

MetService is warning of a period of severe gale southwesterlies
about coastal Otago and Banks Peninsula this morning, and is
continuing to warn of heavy snow about parts of Otago and Southland.

Southwesterly winds are forecast to gust up to 130 km/h for a time
about coastal Otago this morning, and these winds are expected to
affect Banks Peninsula around midday.

A further 10-15cm of snow is also likely to settle above 400 metres
on the hills and ranges of Southland, South Otago and Central Otago
today.  Lighter snowfalls are forecast down to 100 metres.

Forecasters warn people within these areas that conditions are
expected to be very hazardous for a time today, but conditions should
ease from afternoon.

FOR THE LATEST WEATHER AND FORECAST CHARTS PLEASE GO TO

http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/index.asp


MORE DETAILED INFORMATION FOR EMERGENCY MANAGERS AND TECHNICAL USERS
FOLLOWS:

HEAVY SNOW WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: THE HILLS AND RANGES OF SOUTHLAND, SOUTH OTAGO AND
CENTRAL OTAGO, IN PARTICULAR THOSE FROM THE LAMMERLAW RANGE, OLD MAN
RANGE AND EYRE MOUNTAINS SOUTHWARDS.

FORECAST:
Further heavy snow showers are expected today.  In the 9 hours from
6am to 3pm today (Monday), 10-15cm of snow may settle above 400
metres.  Lighter snowfalls are expected down to 100 metres.  These
snow showers should start to ease from about midday. 

STRONG WIND WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: COASTAL OTAGO AND BANKS PENINSULA.

FORECAST:

FOR COASTAL OTAGO:
A period of severe gale southwesterlies is expected this morning.  In
the 5 hours between 6am and 11am today, expect southwesterly winds of
70 km/h gusting to 130 km/h in exposed places.  Winds should ease
quickly from late morning.

FOR BANKS PENINSULA:
A period of severe gale southwesterlies is expected around midday. 
In the 4 hours between 11am and 3pm today (Monday), expect
southwesterly winds of 70 km/h gusting to 120 km/h in exposed places. 
Winds should ease quickly from mid afternoon.

NEXT SEVERE WEATHER WARNING WILL BE ISSUED AT OR BEFORE
6:00pm Monday 26-Aug-2002

Forecast prepared by: John Crouch

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User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:54:49 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD From: Dale Small To: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 X-Razor-id: 44461796c353af892ef31ddec062210c37e0f971 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Absolutely beautiful it all is.. A total of 75mm recorded down the road at Jimboomba here, since the whole event started earlier in the week. I did note it was raining quite heavily around Archerfield approx. 0130 this morning.. i started to panic seeing the factory fill with water o_O Keep it comin Huey!! Regards Dale +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:55:36 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We have had 33.7mm here to 9am this morning (ok, it's 8:50am, but close enough as it won't rain in the next 10mins!) That brings our total over the past 7-8 days to 126.5mm! I'm not sure how much the airport has recorded, but the mean for August is 42.7mm and the highest monthly rainfall total for August is actually 126.3mm. So the AP could be sailing into record territory soon depending on how much it has accumulated. All of this after months and months of poor rainfall! It looks like the Lockyer Valley between Toowoomba and west Brisbane has missed out only getting 5-6mm (after only getting 25-30mm last week). That's unfortunate as they really need the rain much more. Even the Downs got over 20mm. AC John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi AC, > > "Occasional showers" LOL, it has been drizzling continually here at Mt. > Crosby for the last 9 hours (since 4:00pm) with 21mm in guage at midnight. > This makes it just about the best days rainfall since March 29. We had > 323.5mm for the year to July 31. August is now at 69mm, which makes it the > best month since March (92mm) and more than double the August mean (for > Ipswich). This is of course, wonderful! > > John. > > >snip > > ... > > Admittedly, I was a little surprised when the 4:10pm forecast was issued > with "occasional showers" for tonight and tomorrow...at the very least I > would have thought rain periods tonight? (It has been raining here for > 3hrs non-stop so far...) And there was a fairly sizable area of rain > moving over on radar at the time of the forecast! > > AC > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:47:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi AC. Must say I took a double take at the August record being only 126mm for the AP, when I knew that Ipswich's August record was 326mm! I checked Brisbane regional, and it is 372mm which lends credibility to the Ipswich figure. BUT... The reason is that recording from the AP only began in 1929 vs 1840 for BNE Reg and 1870 for Ipswich. Thus the Brisbane record was obviously set some time between 1870 and 1929. Imagine 300+ in August! Now I would like to see that, and also the weather charts that were responsible for this event! John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Cornelius Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:56 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD We have had 33.7mm here to 9am this morning (ok, it's 8:50am, but close enough as it won't rain in the next 10mins!) That brings our total over the past 7-8 days to 126.5mm! I'm not sure how much the airport has recorded, but the mean for August is 42.7mm and the highest monthly rainfall total for August is actually 126.3mm. So the AP could be sailing into record territory soon depending on how much it has accumulated. All of this after months and months of poor rainfall! It looks like the Lockyer Valley between Toowoomba and west Brisbane has missed out only getting 5-6mm (after only getting 25-30mm last week). That's unfortunate as they really need the rain much more. Even the Downs got over 20mm. AC John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi AC, > > "Occasional showers" LOL, it has been drizzling continually here at Mt. > Crosby for the last 9 hours (since 4:00pm) with 21mm in guage at midnight. > This makes it just about the best days rainfall since March 29. We had > 323.5mm for the year to July 31. August is now at 69mm, which makes it the > best month since March (92mm) and more than double the August mean (for > Ipswich). This is of course, wonderful! > > John. > > >snip > > ... > > Admittedly, I was a little surprised when the 4:10pm forecast was issued > with "occasional showers" for tonight and tomorrow...at the very least I > would have thought rain periods tonight? (It has been raining here for > 3hrs non-stop so far...) And there was a fairly sizable area of rain > moving over on radar at the time of the forecast! > > AC > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Funny how this doesn't seem to be supported by BoM charts at present, which only show a moderate SE flow over Southland.  Bizarreness.
 
John.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Steven Williams
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:46 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: NZ snow warning

Severe Weather Warning

Issued by MetService at 06:17am 26-Aug-2002

SEVERE GALES ABOUT COASTAL OTAGO AND BANKS PENINSULA TODAY; HEAVY
SNOW IN THE SOUTH.

MetService is warning of a period of severe gale southwesterlies
about coastal Otago and Banks Peninsula this morning, and is
continuing to warn of heavy snow about parts of Otago and Southland.

Southwesterly winds are forecast to gust up to 130 km/h for a time
about coastal Otago this morning, and these winds are expected to
affect Banks Peninsula around midday.

A further 10-15cm of snow is also likely to settle above 400 metres
on the hills and ranges of Southland, South Otago and Central Otago
today.  Lighter snowfalls are forecast down to 100 metres.

Forecasters warn people within these areas that conditions are
expected to be very hazardous for a time today, but conditions should
ease from afternoon.

FOR THE LATEST WEATHER AND FORECAST CHARTS PLEASE GO TO

http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/index.asp


MORE DETAILED INFORMATION FOR EMERGENCY MANAGERS AND TECHNICAL USERS
FOLLOWS:

HEAVY SNOW WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: THE HILLS AND RANGES OF SOUTHLAND, SOUTH OTAGO AND
CENTRAL OTAGO, IN PARTICULAR THOSE FROM THE LAMMERLAW RANGE, OLD MAN
RANGE AND EYRE MOUNTAINS SOUTHWARDS.

FORECAST:
Further heavy snow showers are expected today.  In the 9 hours from
6am to 3pm today (Monday), 10-15cm of snow may settle above 400
metres.  Lighter snowfalls are expected down to 100 metres.  These
snow showers should start to ease from about midday. 

STRONG WIND WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: COASTAL OTAGO AND BANKS PENINSULA.

FORECAST:

FOR COASTAL OTAGO:
A period of severe gale southwesterlies is expected this morning.  In
the 5 hours between 6am and 11am today, expect southwesterly winds of
70 km/h gusting to 130 km/h in exposed places.  Winds should ease
quickly from late morning.

FOR BANKS PENINSULA:
A period of severe gale southwesterlies is expected around midday. 
In the 4 hours between 11am and 3pm today (Monday), expect
southwesterly winds of 70 km/h gusting to 120 km/h in exposed places. 
Winds should ease quickly from mid afternoon.

NEXT SEVERE WEATHER WARNING WILL BE ISSUED AT OR BEFORE
6:00pm Monday 26-Aug-2002

Forecast prepared by: John Crouch

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From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: NZ snow warning Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:57:40 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Which BOM charts are you looking at John? The ones we have show a strong, cold SW airstream.
 
 
Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of John Woodbridge
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 1:05 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: NZ snow warning

Funny how this doesn't seem to be supported by BoM charts at present, which only show a moderate SE flow over Southland.  Bizarreness.
 
John.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Steven Williams
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:46 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: NZ snow warning

Severe Weather Warning

Issued by MetService at 06:17am 26-Aug-2002

SEVERE GALES ABOUT COASTAL OTAGO AND BANKS PENINSULA TODAY; HEAVY
SNOW IN THE SOUTH.

MetService is warning of a period of severe gale southwesterlies
about coastal Otago and Banks Peninsula this morning, and is
continuing to warn of heavy snow about parts of Otago and Southland.

Southwesterly winds are forecast to gust up to 130 km/h for a time
about coastal Otago this morning, and these winds are expected to
affect Banks Peninsula around midday.

A further 10-15cm of snow is also likely to settle above 400 metres
on the hills and ranges of Southland, South Otago and Central Otago
today.  Lighter snowfalls are forecast down to 100 metres.

Forecasters warn people within these areas that conditions are
expected to be very hazardous for a time today, but conditions should
ease from afternoon.

FOR THE LATEST WEATHER AND FORECAST CHARTS PLEASE GO TO

http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/index.asp


MORE DETAILED INFORMATION FOR EMERGENCY MANAGERS AND TECHNICAL USERS
FOLLOWS:

HEAVY SNOW WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: THE HILLS AND RANGES OF SOUTHLAND, SOUTH OTAGO AND
CENTRAL OTAGO, IN PARTICULAR THOSE FROM THE LAMMERLAW RANGE, OLD MAN
RANGE AND EYRE MOUNTAINS SOUTHWARDS.

FORECAST:
Further heavy snow showers are expected today.  In the 9 hours from
6am to 3pm today (Monday), 10-15cm of snow may settle above 400
metres.  Lighter snowfalls are expected down to 100 metres.  These
snow showers should start to ease from about midday. 

STRONG WIND WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: COASTAL OTAGO AND BANKS PENINSULA.

FORECAST:

FOR COASTAL OTAGO:
A period of severe gale southwesterlies is expected this morning.  In
the 5 hours between 6am and 11am today, expect southwesterly winds of
70 km/h gusting to 130 km/h in exposed places.  Winds should ease
quickly from late morning.

FOR BANKS PENINSULA:
A period of severe gale southwesterlies is expected around midday. 
In the 4 hours between 11am and 3pm today (Monday), expect
southwesterly winds of 70 km/h gusting to 120 km/h in exposed places. 
Winds should ease quickly from mid afternoon.

NEXT SEVERE WEATHER WARNING WILL BE ISSUED AT OR BEFORE
6:00pm Monday 26-Aug-2002

Forecast prepared by: John Crouch

A service provided through a contract with the Crown
X-Originating-IP: [203.0.101.6] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: F5 Twisters Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:44:05 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 04:44:06.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[358B6B80:01C24CBB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I assume when you say F5 Dave, you are talking more generally about tornadoes with windspeeds at the speediest end of the speed spectrum and not purely from a damage assessment viewpoint; by that I mean one problem is Australia is that suitable tornado targets are, fortunately, few and far between. A tornado with winds capable of producing F5 damage, but which only tracked through an area of mulga scrub would only be recorded as F1, or whatever it takes to uproot small bushes. In Bangladesh, which seems to have a more US-southern plains type topographical and meteorological set up (at certain times), powerful tornadoes are known to level entire villages, but ascribing an F-rating based on damage to a shanty would be impossible, probably above F1 at most F2. At least one violent tornado has been recorded in Australia and another, one could safely assume to be a violent tornado, did a nice job on a state forest here as well. We must therefore assume substantially more went unnoticed. So they do can and do occur and are not uniqiue to the USA. Nevertheless, if you were to create a landmass solely for the purpose of breeding violent tornadoes then you would be hard pressed to come up with a better model than the USA - so the best answer to your questions would be to compare a North American topographic map with an Australian one! Australia (i) doesn't have such a 'good' source of deep moisture as the Gulf of Mexico. Gulf moisture permeates across the inland USA. In Australia, moisture, which in the east preferably originates from the Coral Sea, is seldom pumped inland with vigor. The mountain ranges running nth-sth along the east of the country must also impede moisture return. While we might see very unstable air masses west of the Great Dividing Range in the states of NSW and Queensland, moisture is usually sufficiently lacking such that LCL's are too high and therefore unfavourable for tornadogenesis. Also, the elevated terrain on the lee side of the Rocky Mountains proper is also important as a source of elevated dry, unstable air. Australia is a dry continent but the more dynamic weather systems too often seem to bring in abundant mid level moisture - the result can often be a diffuse rainband with embedded storms rather than big isolated storms. The elevated hot dry desert air from the deserts of New Mexico etc is also important in establishing a capping inversion - delaying deep convection often to near the time of maximium heating - when instability is greatest. In comparison storms in Australia, because there is often no significant cap, often break out all and sundry when the convective temperature is reached - this is not always the case and of course is not esseential to yield violent tornadic supercells, it is just another element favouring the US set-up in my own oppinion. Finally, temperature contrasts across Australia in November are usually less marked than in the USA during May, so wind shear is generally slacker. In particular, directional shear in the critical 0-3 or 0-6km range agl, whatever you prefer, is often weak over here. Comparing my own chasing in Australia and the USA, surface winds in Australia are generally slack. In Kansas during May, a 20-30 knot south-south-east wind is often felt during spring while sitting by the road waiting for a storm, this is rarely the case here. Storm structure reflects this in my oppinion - east Australian supercell storms are impressive 'hailers' but more rarely show the same sort of textbook structure that great plains storms reveal year in year out; and, from the available evidence, more rarely produce violent or strong tornadoes. For the above reasons and plenty more I'm sure, it is simply that the ingredients required for supercells capable of producing violent tornadoes come together in the right quantities less frequently in Australia as compared to the USA. In the USA you might expect one F5 tornado per year, here the expected frequency might be one every 10 years, although our tornado data set is far too incomplete to make any sense of it. All we know... from time to time violent tornadoes do occur in Australia and we are all blissfully ignorant over here - you dont need to be Nostradamus to predict the future. David _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: NZ snow warning Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:48:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Ah, I was looking at the prognosis, and didn't look at the date too carefully.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hardy
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:58 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: NZ snow warning

Which BOM charts are you looking at John? The ones we have show a strong, cold SW airstream.
 
 
Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of John Woodbridge
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 1:05 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: NZ snow warning

Funny how this doesn't seem to be supported by BoM charts at present, which only show a moderate SE flow over Southland.  Bizarreness.
 
John.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Steven Williams
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:46 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: NZ snow warning

Severe Weather Warning

Issued by MetService at 06:17am 26-Aug-2002

SEVERE GALES ABOUT COASTAL OTAGO AND BANKS PENINSULA TODAY; HEAVY
SNOW IN THE SOUTH.

MetService is warning of a period of severe gale southwesterlies
about coastal Otago and Banks Peninsula this morning, and is
continuing to warn of heavy snow about parts of Otago and Southland.

Southwesterly winds are forecast to gust up to 130 km/h for a time
about coastal Otago this morning, and these winds are expected to
affect Banks Peninsula around midday.

A further 10-15cm of snow is also likely to settle above 400 metres
on the hills and ranges of Southland, South Otago and Central Otago
today.  Lighter snowfalls are forecast down to 100 metres.

Forecasters warn people within these areas that conditions are
expected to be very hazardous for a time today, but conditions should
ease from afternoon.

FOR THE LATEST WEATHER AND FORECAST CHARTS PLEASE GO TO

http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/index.asp


MORE DETAILED INFORMATION FOR EMERGENCY MANAGERS AND TECHNICAL USERS
FOLLOWS:

HEAVY SNOW WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: THE HILLS AND RANGES OF SOUTHLAND, SOUTH OTAGO AND
CENTRAL OTAGO, IN PARTICULAR THOSE FROM THE LAMMERLAW RANGE, OLD MAN
RANGE AND EYRE MOUNTAINS SOUTHWARDS.

FORECAST:
Further heavy snow showers are expected today.  In the 9 hours from
6am to 3pm today (Monday), 10-15cm of snow may settle above 400
metres.  Lighter snowfalls are expected down to 100 metres.  These
snow showers should start to ease from about midday. 

STRONG WIND WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: COASTAL OTAGO AND BANKS PENINSULA.

FORECAST:

FOR COASTAL OTAGO:
A period of severe gale southwesterlies is expected this morning.  In
the 5 hours between 6am and 11am today, expect southwesterly winds of
70 km/h gusting to 130 km/h in exposed places.  Winds should ease
quickly from late morning.

FOR BANKS PENINSULA:
A period of severe gale southwesterlies is expected around midday. 
In the 4 hours between 11am and 3pm today (Monday), expect
southwesterly winds of 70 km/h gusting to 120 km/h in exposed places. 
Winds should ease quickly from mid afternoon.

NEXT SEVERE WEATHER WARNING WILL BE ISSUED AT OR BEFORE
6:00pm Monday 26-Aug-2002

Forecast prepared by: John Crouch

A service provided through a contract with the Crown
From: "W.A. \(Bill\) Webb" To: "Wx Aus" Subject: aus-wx: Climate and climate change Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:19:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, From another list for your interest. Regards Bill in Proserpine **Rainfall Outlook Remains Cause for Concern As widely reported in the press, the seasonal outlook remains a cause for concern. Based on the recent pattern of the SOI, the probability of receiving or getting above the long-term median rainfall for August to October remains relatively low (20-50%) across most of Queensland. For more info, visit the Climate section on DPI's new look web site. **Global Climate Change Research Explorer: Biosphere From The NSDL Scout Report for the Life Sciences, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2002. Take a first-hand look at how climate change affects the biosphere at this Web site from San Francisco's Exploratorium. Visitors can access long-term, short-term, and even near real time data from a number of research projects conducted by various institutions. All data are presented graphically, with straightforward explanations of phenomena in question. The site conveys the sense of "how researchers gather evidence, test theories, and come to conclusions." A helpful glossary and a number of useful related links are included. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David James Powell" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: F5 Twisters X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.00 X-IPAddress: 208.189.4.22 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:42:57 -0500 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks for your reply(you used language that I understood). I suppose it is good that your weather dynamics don't allow for so many and so violent of storms. It may make your storm chasing a slight bit less exciting; but at least you are saved from more death/destruction. Have a Great Week Yours David Powell > I assume when you say F5 Dave, you are talking more generally about > tornadoes with windspeeds at the speediest end of the speed spectrum and not > purely from a damage assessment viewpoint; by that I mean one problem is > Australia is that suitable tornado targets are, fortunately, few and far > between. A tornado with winds capable of producing F5 damage, but which only > tracked through an area of mulga scrub would only be recorded as F1, or > whatever it takes to uproot small bushes. In Bangladesh, which seems to have > a more US-southern plains type topographical and meteorological set up (at > certain times), powerful tornadoes are known to level entire villages, but > ascribing an F-rating based on damage to a shanty would be impossible, > probably above F1 at most F2. > > At least one violent tornado has been recorded in Australia and another, one > could safely assume to be a violent tornado, did a nice job on a state > forest here as well. We must therefore assume substantially more went > unnoticed. So they do can and do occur and are not uniqiue to the USA. > Nevertheless, if you were to create a landmass solely for the purpose of > breeding violent tornadoes then you would be hard pressed to come up with a > better model than the USA - so the best answer to your questions would be to > compare a North American topographic map with an Australian one! Australia > (i) doesn't have such a 'good' source of deep moisture as the Gulf of > Mexico. Gulf moisture permeates across the inland USA. In Australia, > moisture, which in the east preferably originates from the Coral Sea, is > seldom pumped inland with vigor. The mountain ranges running nth-sth along > the east of the country must also impede moisture return. While we might see > very unstable air masses west of the Great Dividing Range in the states of > NSW and Queensland, moisture is usually sufficiently lacking such that LCL's > are too high and therefore unfavourable for tornadogenesis. > > Also, the elevated terrain on the lee side of the Rocky Mountains proper is > also important as a source of elevated dry, unstable air. Australia is a dry > continent but the more dynamic weather systems too often seem to bring in > abundant mid level moisture - the result can often be a diffuse rainband > with embedded storms rather than big isolated storms. The elevated hot dry > desert air from the deserts of New Mexico etc is also important in > establishing a capping inversion - delaying deep convection often to near > the time of maximium heating - when instability is greatest. In comparison > storms in Australia, because there is often no significant cap, often break > out all and sundry when the convective temperature is reached - this is not > always the case and of course is not esseential to yield violent tornadic > supercells, it is just another element favouring the US set-up in my own > oppinion. > > Finally, temperature contrasts across Australia in November are usually less > marked than in the USA during May, so wind shear is generally slacker. In > particular, directional shear in the critical 0- 3 or 0-6km range agl, > whatever you prefer, is often weak over here. Comparing my own chasing in > Australia and the USA, surface winds in Australia are generally slack. In > Kansas during May, a 20-30 knot south-south- east wind is often felt during > spring while sitting by the road waiting for a storm, this is rarely the > case here. Storm structure reflects this in my oppinion - east Australian > supercell storms are impressive 'hailers' but more rarely show the same sort > of textbook structure that great plains storms reveal year in year out; and, > from the available evidence, more rarely produce violent or strong > tornadoes. > > For the above reasons and plenty more I'm sure, it is simply that the > ingredients required for supercells capable of producing violent tornadoes > come together in the right quantities less frequently in Australia as > compared to the USA. In the USA you might expect one F5 tornado per year, > here the expected frequency might be one every 10 years, although our > tornado data set is far too incomplete to make any sense of it. All we > know... from time to time violent tornadoes do occur in Australia and we are > all blissfully ignorant over here - you dont need to be Nostradamus to > predict the future. > > David > > __________________________________________________ _______________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------ ------------------------ > > -- Sent using Voltage Net Webmail http://www.voltage.net/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:07:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all A total of 100mm here from both systems - excellent rain for this time of the year! Looking through the climate data and the August rain totals on the BoM site there are at least a couple of stations close to breaking records. Redcliffe is only a few mm's away from breaking the August record with 103.8mm falling so far this month and the record stands at 106.2mm. A similar story with Tewantin where 172.2mm has fallen so far this month (including 4mm to 5pm today) and the record is 174.1mm. It's also worth noting the low maximums inland yesterday. Hobart, 2000km+ further south, recorded a max of 13c. Up on the range in SE Qld Toowomba recorded a max of 11c! Stanthorpe was even colder with 9c and most of the other Darling Downs and Granite Belt maximums were 12 or 13c!!! brrrr ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD > Hi AC. > > Must say I took a double take at the August record being only 126mm for the > AP, when I knew that Ipswich's August record was 326mm! I checked Brisbane > regional, and it is 372mm which lends credibility to the Ipswich figure. > BUT... The reason is that recording from the AP only began in 1929 vs 1840 > for BNE Reg and 1870 for Ipswich. Thus the Brisbane record was obviously > set some time between 1870 and 1929. Imagine 300+ in August! Now I would > like to see that, and also the weather charts that were responsible for this > event! > > John. > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Anthony > Cornelius > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:56 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD > > > We have had 33.7mm here to 9am this morning (ok, it's 8:50am, but close > enough as it won't rain in the next 10mins!) That brings our total over > the past 7-8 days to 126.5mm! I'm not sure how much the airport has > recorded, but the mean for August is 42.7mm and the highest monthly > rainfall total for August is actually 126.3mm. So the AP could be > sailing into record territory soon depending on how much it has > accumulated. All of this after months and months of poor rainfall! > > It looks like the Lockyer Valley between Toowoomba and west Brisbane has > missed out only getting 5-6mm (after only getting 25-30mm last week). > That's unfortunate as they really need the rain much more. Even the > Downs got over 20mm. > > AC > > John Woodbridge wrote: > > > > Hi AC, > > > > "Occasional showers" LOL, it has been drizzling continually here at Mt. > > Crosby for the last 9 hours (since 4:00pm) with 21mm in guage at midnight. > > This makes it just about the best days rainfall since March 29. We had > > 323.5mm for the year to July 31. August is now at 69mm, which makes it > the > > best month since March (92mm) and more than double the August mean (for > > Ipswich). This is of course, wonderful! > > > > John. > > > > >snip > > > > ... > > > > Admittedly, I was a little surprised when the 4:10pm forecast was issued > > with "occasional showers" for tonight and tomorrow...at the very least I > > would have thought rain periods tonight? (It has been raining here for > > 3hrs non-stop so far...) And there was a fairly sizable area of rain > > moving over on radar at the time of the forecast! > > > > AC > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2002-08-02 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:18:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 08:18:22.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[24C96DB0:01C24CD9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I must confess I'm a little bit of a red faced today and humble apologies to BoM. I thought occasional showers was a bit silly, but that is exactly what I had here in Cleveland today. Serves me right for being such a smart-ar**. Good on you folks at the BoM. I remain a big fan of yours. The rain has been fanta-bulous !!! Another 47 mm to add to my 106mm. Exceptional stuff for August. I think it has saved us from a potential bushfire hell this spring. Around here at least. Kind regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD > Hi AC. > > Must say I took a double take at the August record being only 126mm for the > AP, when I knew that Ipswich's August record was 326mm! I checked Brisbane > regional, and it is 372mm which lends credibility to the Ipswich figure. > BUT... The reason is that recording from the AP only began in 1929 vs 1840 > for BNE Reg and 1870 for Ipswich. Thus the Brisbane record was obviously > set some time between 1870 and 1929. Imagine 300+ in August! Now I would > like to see that, and also the weather charts that were responsible for this > event! > > John. > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Anthony > Cornelius > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:56 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM forecast for SE QLD > > > We have had 33.7mm here to 9am this morning (ok, it's 8:50am, but close > enough as it won't rain in the next 10mins!) That brings our total over > the past 7-8 days to 126.5mm! I'm not sure how much the airport has > recorded, but the mean for August is 42.7mm and the highest monthly > rainfall total for August is actually 126.3mm. So the AP could be > sailing into record territory soon depending on how much it has > accumulated. All of this after months and months of poor rainfall! > > It looks like the Lockyer Valley between Toowoomba and west Brisbane has > missed out only getting 5-6mm (after only getting 25-30mm last week). > That's unfortunate as they really need the rain much more. Even the > Downs got over 20mm. > > AC > > John Woodbridge wrote: > > > > Hi AC, > > > > "Occasional showers" LOL, it has been drizzling continually here at Mt. > > Crosby for the last 9 hours (since 4:00pm) with 21mm in guage at midnight. > > This makes it just about the best days rainfall since March 29. We had > > 323.5mm for the year to July 31. August is now at 69mm, which makes it > the > > best month since March (92mm) and more than double the August mean (for > > Ipswich). This is of course, wonderful! > > > > John. > > > > >snip > > > > ... > > > > Admittedly, I was a little surprised when the 4:10pm forecast was issued > > with "occasional showers" for tonight and tomorrow...at the very least I > > would have thought rain periods tonight? (It has been raining here for > > 3hrs non-stop so far...) And there was a fairly sizable area of rain > > moving over on radar at the time of the forecast! > > > > AC > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2002-08-02 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:27:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Crickets make noise to cool themselves (stand corrected there), so at 4.4C they wouldn't be hot. :-) > How do you calibrate a cricket for temps less than 4.4 degrees C ? > > ie: if it doesn't make any noise? > > Pete. > (Tried it once, but they kept climbing out through the slots in my > Stevenson Screen!) > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Richard Modistach" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:36:04 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com too cool themselves? thats a new one on me, and i thought it was to attract a mate. regards richard modistach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bussy" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Get your calculator out > Crickets make noise to cool themselves (stand corrected there), so at 4.4C > they wouldn't be hot. :-) > > > How do you calibrate a cricket for temps less than 4.4 degrees C ? > > > > ie: if it doesn't make any noise? > > > > Pete. > > (Tried it once, but they kept climbing out through the slots in my > > Stevenson Screen!) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo bits. Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:21:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 11:22:56.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED2ED060:01C24CF2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Phil and all tropo's
Not a bad looking system south of Japan! however I have been watching a convective area southwest of Indonesia that looks rather interesting not bad for August. regards Clyve H.
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 06:45:59 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo bits. X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That is Typhoon Rusa bearing down on Iwo Jima (Tuesday) and headed for a direct hit on Okinawa later in the week. At present we have no less than five active tropical cyclones in the North Pacific. Tomorrow, when Hurricane Fausto crosses 140W, there will be three simultaneously in the Central Pacific which I think is unprecedented - most years they get none. You can track them all at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm and be sure to watch TY Rusa pass over Okinawa on the radar link later in the week. Phil <>< Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:21:02 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Tropo bits. > Hi Phil and all tropo's > Not a bad looking system south of Japan! however I have been watching a > convective area southwest of Indonesia that looks rather interesting > not bad for August. regards Clyve H. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:17:31 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler Subject: aus-wx: Aerial photo showing tornado damage X-X-Sender: robert at tornado.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all A while back someone posted a link to some weather photo site which had an aerial photo showing a tornado damage track. Does anyone have this link, or a link to that photo site on hand??? Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences PO Box 28M Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo bits. Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:56:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 07:56:04.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[3141A640:01C24D9F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Clyve
 
Yes another potential super typhoon on the way there (another circulation developing in TY Rusa's wake).
 
The Northern Pacific generally has been impressive so far this season and the Atlantic abysmal for TS/TY/H activity. Also there have been plenty of teasing thunderstorm outbreaks this winter in the southern hemisphere in tropical waters (teasing twins) . I'd expect an early onset of TC activity in the southern Pacific, if el-nino type relationships are to be followed. Might make up for last year's lull.
 
I didn't get a chance to ask you after your (thoroughly enjoyable) AWSA presentation, whether it was proven that Typhoon Vamei did actually have a southern hemispheric low level circulation ( I would find it incredible if it did). However if it did then I suppose there is really nothing stopping a tropical storm from moving from the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere. That would be an extremely rare and extraordinary happening, but I guess theoretically possible perhaps ????
 
Regards
Simon
 
 
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Subject: aus-wx: Tropo bits.

Hi Phil and all tropo's
Not a bad looking system south of Japan! however I have been watching a convective area southwest of Indonesia that looks rather interesting not bad for August. regards Clyve H.
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:39:43 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo bits. X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.5 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Simon, I have chopped out part of a thread started by me when Vamei was straddling the equator which Mike Middlebrooke (ex "Hurricane Hunter") of Guam gives an excellent explanation of how such an oddity can occur. =================================================== By Phil Smith on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 10:26 pm: I wish I had thought to capture the JTWC satpic that went with warning No 2. This afternoon, while TY Vamei was at 1.5 deg N, there was a very clear pattern of spiral cloudbands just as we see them around any normal cyclone. The point I am trying to make is that the Equator on the map superimposed over the cloudbands did not cause anything like an oposite spiraling or anything like that. The bands extended at least two degrees south of the Equator, yet were typical NH cloudbands. I cannot think scientifically how what I saw could possibly be. Did anybody keep that version of the satpic? I would love to look at it more closely again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ By Mike Middlebrooke on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 01:13 pm: Vamei was a classic case of cyclostrophic flow--a balance between centrifugal force and pressure gradient. When applying the gradient wind equation to the case of a small intense vortex very near the equator like Vamei, the Coriolis term fV is very small compared with the centifugal term V2/r. In these terms, f is the Coriolis term 2Wsinf, where W is the earth's angular rate of rotation and f is latitude. (W = 7.3 x 10-5/sec.) V is wind speed and r is the radius of curvature of the flow. A good measure of the validity of the cyclostrophic approximation is simply the ratio of the centrifugal and Coriolis terms, or V/fr. This is euivalent to the Rossby number Ro used in mid-latitudes to assess the validity of the geostrophic wind approximation. The geostrophic wind is a good approximation when Ro is very small; i.e., much less than one. On the other hand, the cyclostrophic wind is a good approximation when Ro is large, so that the Coriolis term can be neglected. Indeed, at large enough Ro, the flow around a center of low pressure can be either cyclonic or anti-cyclonic. In Vamei's case, at f=1.5 deg N, if we set the radius of curvature at r=50000 metres (50 km) and assume a wind speed of V=35 m/s, then Ro = V/fr = 369. That is, the centrifugal force is 369 times greater than the Coriolis force in this case. Now go to latitude 40 deg N, and a vortex with r = 2000 metres; a very large tornadic vortex. With V again 35 m/s, Ro = 373. Thus, the case of Vamei is comparable to large a mid-latitude tornado. Since anticyclonic tornados do occur on occasion, then not only is it possible for Vamei's circulation to lap over the equator without "reversing," it is even possible for a system like Vamei to rotate anticyclonically, and even cross the equator! Of course, such a situation would be very rare, for two reasons. First, the formative stages of a TC nearly always involve a significant contribution from the Coriolis term; that is, TCs normally form in a cyclonic environment. Second, a cyclone that suddenly finds itself in the wrong hemisphere would normally soon be disrupted by that hemispere's flow patterns, which would not tolerate a wrong-way cyclone for very long. Nevertheless, a small intense cyclone with good central convection could theoretically survive on the wrong side as long as it stays within a degree or so of the equator, maintains a tight strong cyclostrophic circulation, and minds its own business! So how did Vamei happen? (The question of the week in Singapore!) My guess is a fortuitous combination of a strong NE monsoon surge in the NH, a strong SW flow crossing the equator, and a pre-existing area of concentrated convection where the two flow regimes met to start a circulation with good low-level convergence and a strong centrifugal contribution from the start. Something like this must be quite rare, and could probably only occur when a strong winter monsoon surge could run into a westerly surge from the summer hemisphere. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ By Mike Middlebrooke on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 01:38 pm: Phil, Sat imagery for Vamei is available at the Naval Research Lab web site at http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/tc_home Click on the thumbnail image, and when the next page comes up go to the top bar and click "prev." to go to the list of available pictures. You can also look at TRMM microwave images at 85 and 37 GHz. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ By Phil Smith on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 09:56 pm: Thanks Mike, your explanation is very clear and well thought-out. This is one thread I am going to save for future reference. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ ================================================ The forum here had many threads relating to Vamei at the time but I only saved the one with this explanation in it. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Simon Clarke" To: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:56:05 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo bits. > Clyve > > Yes another potential super typhoon on the way there (another > circulation developing in TY Rusa's wake). > > The Northern Pacific generally has been impressive so far this season > and the Atlantic abysmal for TS/TY/H activity. Also there have been > plenty of teasing thunderstorm outbreaks this winter in the southern > hemisphere in tropical waters (teasing twins) . I'd expect an early > onset of TC activity in the southern Pacific, if el-nino type > relationships are to be followed. Might make up for last year's lull. > > I didn't get a chance to ask you after your (thoroughly enjoyable) AWSA > presentation, whether it was proven that Typhoon Vamei did actually > have a southern hemispheric low level circulation ( I would find it > incredible if it did). However if it did then I suppose there is really > nothing stopping a tropical storm from moving from the northern > hemisphere to the southern hemisphere. That would be an extremely rare > and extraordinary happening, but I guess theoretically possible perhaps > ???? > > Regards > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clyve Herbert > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:21 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Tropo bits. > > > Hi Phil and all tropo's > Not a bad looking system south of Japan! however I have been watching > a convective area southwest of Indonesia that looks rather interesting > not bad for August. regards Clyve H. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:43:37 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: F5 Twisters Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David et al, You have touched on the important points. Again, although it has been known for a long time that Australian countryside is relatively remote and thence storms are relatively unreported, it is not in my view acceptable to keep using this as an 'excuse' for the lack of tornadoes reported in Australia, particularly the violent types. It is so easy to hide the truth when doing this. The best way to compare is use evidence linking the environments associated with tornadoes already reported. Yes, we do get supercells in Australia but when they do occur, they seem to be important news by chasers, meteorologists and weather enthusiasts. Please note that it is normal for the tornado alley region to get supercells during the spring and summer months (in particular) during the outbreaks. It is part of their climatological conditions particularly the lower level wind shear environment as David has pointed. Also consider the amount of instability available in that part of the world. Significant LI and CAPE is so widespread during the spring and summer events that it only takes convergence and breaking the cap and an outbreak is on the card. The dynamical systems are normal to produce these ideal conditions whereas in Australia it is abnormal to expect the correct setups: combined wind-shear, low level jets with moisture, reasonable caps and drier air aloft as mentioned by David. Take for instance this year, it was a below average season in the US and still: a) tornadic storms were reported with many reports but well below average b) they had many hail events - This year, because of the lack of major events - particularly dangerous storm (PDS) events, the most powerful supercells were quite rare this season. So this means there were a lack of hail to 4" warnings. Warnings to 3" hail (approx base ball hail) were the main threat. Only one event I can recall whilst I was there this year was reported to have had hail to grape fruit size and that was on this day: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/0516jd11.jpg yeah not spectacular looking but the front of the anvil had already 'touched' the eastern horizon at least half hour before this photograph was taken and there were no hills. You can hardly make out the base. This is one of two separate storms in the distance. Here are the reports 0247 450 TEXHOMA TEXAS OK 3650 10178 REPORTED BY TEXHOMA PD. (AMA) 0253 450 MIAMI ROBERTS TX 3569 10063 REPORTED BY HEMPHILL COUNTY SO. (AMA) both 11cm hail reports. I fueled up several days later at Texhoma and they did say grape fruit sized hail the second report of 11cm hail - all we observed was powerful inflow so strong I thought it was outflow then let go of the steering wheel and was blown sideways towards the storm. We observed the thick hail shaft lit up during the night when we stopped. We got out of its way in time. Times about or just before 10pm. Think of the lack of heating. This hail compares with the Sydney hail storm yet Sydney hailstorm occurred about 7:30ish and then storm decreased in intensity. This event then produced an extremely spectacular display of lightning. These events were the ones we didn't want to core punch: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/0523jd14.jpg produced tornado further back that we did not see because of the rain and base ball hail including hail drifts. 0021 275 SPEARMAN HANSFORD TX 3619 10120 REPORTED BY HANSFORD COUNTY SO. (AMA) 2.75 inches 7cm hail 0045 250 BORGER HUTCHINSON TX 3566 10138 REPORTED BY HUTCHINSON COUNTY EM. HAIL DAMAGED VEHICLES (AMA) 2.5 inch hail reported a little over 6cm hail please note the times are just before 8pm http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/0524jd18.jpg produced a multi-vortex tornado so luckily we remained ahead of it. Hail at least to 4-5cm was reported. The rotation from this event was easily observed on video of the whole storm. 4th June 2002 http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/0604jd03.jpg http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/0604jd04.jpg http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/0604jd05.jpg We received damage from this storm Hail damage of chaser vehicles were not uncommon with total damage. c) It has been referred to coldie tornadoes to make up numbers of tornadoes. These are not often referred to in the US but they do occur in numbers as well. "Ahhh, ok. Does the "coldies" term refer to events that take place with cool surface temps, or is it simply a seasonal term? For instance, Arkansas has many events, including some the state's biggest tornado outbreaks, during the winter months. However, our surface temps must be around the 70 degree F mark for a significant event to take place." Jason Politte in an e-mail to me d) Based on the behaviour of events there, most outbreaks form into MCS Mesoscale Convectve Systems - something that is much rarer over here. Just for interest's sake, check out some links to events this year: http://www.facethewind.com/chase2002/may23lightning.jpg and http://www.facethewind.com/chase2002/ http://home.swbell.net/daphjim/ nice animation http://people.ku.edu/~mscheid/may23/ http://www.targetarea.net/ and more from this link http://www.k5kj.net/news.htm#2002 http://www.onthefront.ws/wxlinks.htm Yes chasing in Australia is great and the countryside unique. I just love chasing all around the countryside and meet new people whilst there in the country. However, I very much now doubt Australia even comes close in tornadic activities and rotational storm structure as observed in the US but time will tell when proper studies are carried out. I can't wait until a major tornado event occurs here in Australia. Cheers. Jimmy Deguara At 02:44 PM 26/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I assume when you say F5 Dave, you are talking more generally about >tornadoes with windspeeds at the speediest end of the speed spectrum and >not purely from a damage assessment viewpoint; by that I mean one problem >is Australia is that suitable tornado targets are, fortunately, few and >far between. A tornado with winds capable of producing F5 damage, but >which only tracked through an area of mulga scrub would only be recorded >as F1, or whatever it takes to uproot small bushes. In Bangladesh, which >seems to have a more US-southern plains type topographical and >meteorological set up (at certain times), powerful tornadoes are known to >level entire villages, but ascribing an F-rating based on damage to a >shanty would be impossible, probably above F1 at most F2. > >At least one violent tornado has been recorded in Australia and another, >one could safely assume to be a violent tornado, did a nice job on a state >forest here as well. We must therefore assume substantially more went >unnoticed. So they do can and do occur and are not uniqiue to the USA. >Nevertheless, if you were to create a landmass solely for the purpose of >breeding violent tornadoes then you would be hard pressed to come up with >a better model than the USA - so the best answer to your questions would >be to compare a North American topographic map with an Australian one! >Australia (i) doesn't have such a 'good' source of deep moisture as the >Gulf of Mexico. Gulf moisture permeates across the inland USA. In >Australia, moisture, which in the east preferably originates from the >Coral Sea, is seldom pumped inland with vigor. The mountain ranges running >nth-sth along the east of the country must also impede moisture return. >While we might see very unstable air masses west of the Great Dividing >Range in the states of NSW and Queensland, moisture is usually >sufficiently lacking such that LCL's are too high and therefore >unfavourable for tornadogenesis. > >Also, the elevated terrain on the lee side of the Rocky Mountains proper >is also important as a source of elevated dry, unstable air. Australia is >a dry continent but the more dynamic weather systems too often seem to >bring in abundant mid level moisture - the result can often be a diffuse >rainband with embedded storms rather than big isolated storms. The >elevated hot dry desert air from the deserts of New Mexico etc is also >important in establishing a capping inversion - delaying deep convection >often to near the time of maximium heating - when instability is greatest. >In comparison storms in Australia, because there is often no significant >cap, often break out all and sundry when the convective temperature is >reached - this is not always the case and of course is not esseential to >yield violent tornadic supercells, it is just another element favouring >the US set-up in my own oppinion. > >Finally, temperature contrasts across Australia in November are usually >less marked than in the USA during May, so wind shear is generally >slacker. In particular, directional shear in the critical 0-3 or 0-6km >range agl, whatever you prefer, is often weak over here. Comparing my own >chasing in Australia and the USA, surface winds in Australia are generally >slack. In Kansas during May, a 20-30 knot south-south-east wind is often >felt during spring while sitting by the road waiting for a storm, this is >rarely the case here. Storm structure reflects this in my oppinion - east >Australian supercell storms are impressive 'hailers' but more rarely show >the same sort of textbook structure that great plains storms reveal year >in year out; and, from the available evidence, more rarely produce violent >or strong tornadoes. > >For the above reasons and plenty more I'm sure, it is simply that the >ingredients required for supercells capable of producing violent tornadoes >come together in the right quantities less frequently in Australia as >compared to the USA. In the USA you might expect one F5 tornado per year, >here the expected frequency might be one every 10 years, although our >tornado data set is far too incomplete to make any sense of it. All we >know... from time to time violent tornadoes do occur in Australia and we >are all blissfully ignorant over here - you dont need to be Nostradamus to >predict the future. > >David > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Greg Curtis" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Aerial photo showing tornado damage Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:06:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert. Is this the one you were after? http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0205/06tornado/ Regards, Greg Curtis Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Robert Goler Sent: 27 August, 2002 12:18 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Aerial photo showing tornado damage Hi all A while back someone posted a link to some weather photo site which had an aerial photo showing a tornado damage track. Does anyone have this link, or a link to that photo site on hand??? Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences PO Box 28M Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at xenios.qldnet.com.au Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:04:58 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo bits. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil, Simon, and All. >Simon, >I have chopped out part of a thread started by me when Vamei was >straddling the equator which Mike Middlebrooke (ex "Hurricane Hunter") of >Guam gives an excellent explanation of how such an oddity can occur. >=================================================== >By Phil Smith on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 10:26 pm: >I wish I had thought to capture the JTWC satpic that went with warning No >2. This afternoon, while TY Vamei was at 1.5 deg N, there was a very >clear pattern of spiral cloudbands just as we see them around any normal >cyclone. The point I am trying to make is that the Equator on the map >superimposed over the cloudbands did not cause anything like an oposite >spiraling or anything like that. The bands extended at least two degrees >south of the Equator, yet were typical NH cloudbands. >I cannot think scientifically how what I saw could possibly be. >Did anybody keep that version of the satpic? >I would love to look at it more closely again. If anyone would like to see it, will find a copy at: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/imagescurrent/ty32w.vamei.20011227.0530.jpg - I did not get around to deleting that one from the server although it is no longer linked from any of my pages. Regards, Carl. -- For links to current tropical cyclone information: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/current.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at xenios.qldnet.com.au Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:12:38 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo bits. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. >That is Typhoon Rusa bearing down on Iwo Jima (Tuesday) and headed for a >direct hit on Okinawa later in the week. >At present we have no less than five active tropical cyclones in the >North Pacific. >Tomorrow, when Hurricane Fausto crosses 140W, there will be three >simultaneously in the Central Pacific which I think is unprecedented - >most years they get none. >You can track them all at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm and be >sure to watch TY Rusa pass over Okinawa on the radar link later in the >week. > >Phil ><>< You can also track them all at http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/current.htm where I mirror Phil's links. Regards, Carl. -- For links to current tropical cyclone information: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/current.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: "Tomer Gilad" , "Zachary Eitzen" , "will overbagh" , "tiffany nagem" , "Thomas Froggatt" , "Simon Stainmagen" , "Shane" , "Ryan Myers" , "Rachelle Kaldor" , "Paul Benet" , "Niki Kaldor" , "Mike" , "michael reeder" , "Mcgilton, Luke" , "margot altschuler" , "Malik Idbeis" , "Lisa Szewach" , "Leslie Ritzer" , "Laurie Clack" , "Kimberly Yarger" , "Jesse Gerst" , "Jeremy Jankie" , "Helen & David" , "Harvey Stern" , "Hamish Johnson" , "Hagai kot" , "Gideon Max" , "emily gatt" , "Elizabeth Gaylor" , "devin radovich" , "David Maas" , "Damien Rozan" , "Clare" , "CSUchasers" , "Catherine Parks" , "Cameron Brooks" , "Byron Pakula" , "Ben" , "aus-wx" , "Ashley Hayat" , "Andre Klein" , "Amit Wagner" , "Alyssa Doyle" Subject: aus-wx: August 24, 2002 - Willard, Colorado Tornado Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:15:02 -0600 Organization: Colorado State University X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, August 24, 2002 was my first storm chase of a genuine tornadic supercell! The chase team consisted of Dan Lindsey and fiancee/friends Nicole and Darren and, as Dan has already posted a summary, i'll leave it there. Due to all the excitment, I hardly got any good photos, just awesome memories but, too our luck, the tornado photos did come out! Check out the images at http://reef.atmos.colostate.edu/lyle/ -> photos-> chases-> august 24 Unfortunatly, slide scanner is pretty sucky so these web images don't do the photos justice. Enjoy, i know i did! Cheers, Lyle | - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - | | Graduate Research Assistant /\ . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ . Colorado State University / \ / \ ph: +1 (970) 491 8124 / \/~~~~~~\/\ . fax: +1 (970) 491 8166 /~~~~/ / \ email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu / / / \ web: http://reef.atmos.colostate.edu/lyle/ / \ . +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: F5 Twisters Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:09:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, I have in SEQ observed on many occasions, overhead anvil crawlers in an anvil reaching over the Eastern horizon from a storm core up to 100km or so to my West on radar. One particularly memorable example was the March '98 Harlin storm, notable for it's total destruction of a row of 5 steel H.V. power pylons (built to withstand 180km/hr wind). An aerial photo was shown in the Courier Mail the next day and these pylons were crumpled like a piece of Alfoil. (This was not analysed as a Tornado btw.) John. >Snip ... yeah not spectacular looking but the front of the anvil had already 'touched' the eastern horizon at least half hour before this photograph was taken and there were no hills. You can hardly make out the base. This is one of two separate storms in the distance. ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay To: Subject: aus-wx: Ayer's Rock Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:38:52 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] X-Davsoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Anyone got photos of Ayer's Rock with snow on the top? I've heard of them, but never seen them. Thanks, David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9bEXMZOfFgbBAbXARAlQJAJ9nzGviUMx0nV+A36mFiGzaN1JmrACgpLQT E3V/I37wIJCjJarOKZ5qBpU= =EWTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ayer's Rock Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:46:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David, Please let me know if you find any - Lyndon Grimmer from the BoM in Darwin and I have been trying to track them down with for the past 2 years for his official BoM report - we've ranged as far afield as New Zealand school bus tours.... but no luck yet. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Findlay" To: Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2002 1:38 Subject: aus-wx: Ayer's Rock > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Anyone got photos of Ayer's Rock with snow on the top? I've heard of them, > but never seen them. Thanks, > > David > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9bEXMZOfFgbBAbXARAlQJAJ9nzGviUMx0nV+A36mFiGzaN1JmrACgpLQT > E3V/I37wIJCjJarOKZ5qBpU= > =EWTs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:14:16 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: August 24, 2002 - Willard, Colorado Tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Lyle, I know the excitement you must be going through. It is a unique experience that goes on for quite a long time. And the excitement seems to be delayed (for me it was) until it hits you later on. Love it. Looking at the photograph, the debri cloud is very clear and it looks to be rapid rotation. Good stuff. Jimmy Deguara At 02:15 PM 27/8/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Hi All, > >August 24, 2002 was my first storm chase of a genuine tornadic supercell! >The chase team consisted of Dan Lindsey and fiancee/friends Nicole and >Darren and, as Dan has already posted a summary, i'll leave it there. Due to >all the excitment, I hardly got any good photos, just awesome memories but, >too our luck, the tornado photos did come out! Check out the images at > >http://reef.atmos.colostate.edu/lyle/ > >-> photos-> chases-> august 24 > >Unfortunatly, slide scanner is pretty sucky so these web images don't do the >photos justice. Enjoy, i know i did! > >Cheers, Lyle > > | > - -+-=[ Lyle Pakula ]=--------------------------------- -- - - > | > | Graduate Research Assistant /\ > . Department of Atmospheric Science _ / \ > . Colorado State University / \ / \ > ph: +1 (970) 491 8124 / \/~~~~~~\/\ > . fax: +1 (970) 491 8166 /~~~~/ / \ > email: lyle at atmos.colostate.edu / / / \ > web: http://reef.atmos.colostate.edu/lyle/ / \ > . > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:24:37 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: F5 Twisters Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, I agree with the fact that some northern NSW and SE Qld storms are quite large no doubt about it. Yes I recall that one you suggested. The one I refer to below was meant to be a marginal situation but because of the inflow, the storms decided to explode. Bring it on. Jimmy Deguara At 12:09 PM 28/8/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy, > >I have in SEQ observed on many occasions, overhead anvil crawlers in an >anvil reaching over the Eastern horizon from a storm core up to 100km or so >to my West on radar. One particularly memorable example was the March '98 >Harlin storm, notable for it's total destruction of a row of 5 steel H.V. >power pylons (built to withstand 180km/hr wind). An aerial photo was shown >in the Courier Mail the next day and these pylons were crumpled like a piece >of Alfoil. (This was not analysed as a Tornado btw.) > >John. > >Snip >... >yeah not spectacular looking but the front of the anvil had already >'touched' the eastern horizon at least half hour before this photograph was >taken and there were no hills. You can hardly make out the base. This is >one of two separate storms in the distance. >... > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ayer's Rock Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:21:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I found this little bit. 18 July. Snow to sea level in Fiordland and the Southern Lakes/Queenstown area. Milford's maximum struggles up to 3°C. Earlier, the same airstream responsible for this cold outbreak brings a rare snowfall to Ayers Rock in central Australia (16th). > Hi David, > > Please let me know if you find any - Lyndon Grimmer from the BoM in Darwin > and I have been trying to track them down with for the past 2 years for his > official BoM report - we've ranged as far afield as New Zealand school bus > tours.... but no luck yet. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Snow at ayers Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:45:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
And found this........
 
Eye witnesses have reported seeing snow at Ayers Rock (Uluru) and an unconfirmed report of snow from Kings Canyon. We have been unable to find evidence of any previous snowfall in the Northern Territory.

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Hope this is helping Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:49:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hope these "searches" are helping and narrowing the search a bit.
On the 15/7/97 - both tourists and locals reported snow flakes were falling for about fifteen minutes at Ayers Rock (Uluru).
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband. Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:30:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 11:32:00.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[86839630:01C24E86] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H.
From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: aus-wx: SSC is back Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:35:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
After months of downtime (due to Yahoo putting their prices up 275% in under 5 weeks) SSC (sydneystormchasers) is back online with a new design. There are some new reports and photos online--and more shall be added in the coming weeks.  Please forgive the odd broken/incorrect link--these shall be fixed ASAP.
 
 
Looking forward to a big season!
 
 
thanks =)
 
dann, james, matt
X-Originating-IP: [198.142.209.1] From: "Karl Lijnders" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rainband. Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:51:38 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 12:51:38.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[A61B8100:01C24E91] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi CLyve, I was rather surprised to see such sustained rainrates come out of this band of rain this evening. I am surprised at how quick it has weakened as it has approached Melbourne. A little disspointing, but thats whats expected when it comes off the ranges to the NW. Does anyone think there is more in this system than a shower or two tomorrow? Karl >From: "Clyve Herbert" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband. >Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:30:06 +1000 > >Hi all. >There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband >moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some >falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have >occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer >moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SSC is back Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:00:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 13:00:58.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3BF0890:01C24E92] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Fantastic new layout dann!! Congrats to The SSC gang getting that back up.
 
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After months of downtime (due to Yahoo putting their prices up 275% in under 5 weeks) SSC (sydneystormchasers) is back online with a new design. There are some new reports and photos online--and more shall be added in the coming weeks.  Please forgive the odd broken/incorrect link--these shall be fixed ASAP.
 
 
Looking forward to a big season!
 
 
thanks =)
 
dann, james, matt
From: "Bussy" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:58:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I got 1.2mm here but everything is welcome. You can notice now that the crops are starting to struggle a bit.
 
BTW further to my post a few weeks ago with regards to the wattle; in the Chiltern forest the wattle is now only beginning to bloom, whereas 15k south the wattle is starting to go off. Wonder why in such a short distance that there was such a big time difference this year?????
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband.

Hi all.
There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H.
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:37:40 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SSC is back Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow guys - that looks absolutely fantastic!!! Well done, I look forward to reading this season's reports in style! Absolutely fabulous!!! Some phenomenal photos too, glad they're all back up (with some more!) AC > dann weatherhead wrote: > > After months of downtime (due to Yahoo putting their prices up 275% in > under 5 weeks) SSC (sydneystormchasers) is back online with a new > design. There are some new reports and photos online--and more shall > be added in the coming weeks. Please forgive the odd broken/incorrect > link--these shall be fixed ASAP. > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > Looking forward to a big season! > > > thanks =) > > dann, james, matt > sydneystormchasers.com -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SSC is back Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:40:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Agree with you Ants, SSC is a great resource for the weather community, it's been sorely missed - the standard of sites in Australia is up there with the best of them!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Wow guys - that looks absolutely fantastic!!! Well done, I look forward > to reading this season's reports in style! Absolutely fabulous!!! Some > phenomenal photos too, glad they're all back up (with some more!) > > AC > > > dann weatherhead wrote: > > > > After months of downtime (due to Yahoo putting their prices up 275% in > > under 5 weeks) SSC (sydneystormchasers) is back online with a new > > design. There are some new reports and photos online--and more shall > > be added in the coming weeks. Please forgive the odd broken/incorrect > > link--these shall be fixed ASAP. > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > Looking forward to a big season! > > > > > > thanks =) > > > > dann, james, matt > > sydneystormchasers.com > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:10:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello Bussy
 
Is it the same wattle? There are more types of wattle (acacia) than  gum trees (eucalypts).
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
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From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

I got 1.2mm here but everything is welcome. You can notice now that the crops are starting to struggle a bit.
 
BTW further to my post a few weeks ago with regards to the wattle; in the Chiltern forest the wattle is now only beginning to bloom, whereas 15k south the wattle is starting to go off. Wonder why in such a short distance that there was such a big time difference this year?????
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband.

Hi all.
There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H.
From: David Findlay To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow at ayers Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:16:37 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] X-Davsoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:45, you wrote: > And found this........ > > Eye witnesses have reported seeing snow at Ayers Rock (Uluru) and an > unconfirmed report of snow from Kings Canyon. We have been unable to find > evidence of any previous snowfall in the Northern Territory. Surely someone must have photographed it. Such a photo would be worth a mint. All I can find is this: http://www.sympac.com.au/~redunion/ayers3.jpg Thanks, David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9baAlZOfFgbBAbXARAiYZAKCWJh/jNfNZC6V0lCXGZAjJNsETNACggSi+ hRPZd4zW5o7X7Bp2MmVrLgE= =/8Ik -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:29:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
As far as I know it is the same "species". Not that I'd know :-) They look the same types of trees, and sizes etc but haven't stopped to have a close look. Wonder if the kids on the bus will mind if I stop and say, "I'm just going to check the wattle." :-)
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM
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Hello Bussy
 
Is it the same wattle? There are more types of wattle (acacia) than  gum trees (eucalypts).
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

I got 1.2mm here but everything is welcome. You can notice now that the crops are starting to struggle a bit.
 
BTW further to my post a few weeks ago with regards to the wattle; in the Chiltern forest the wattle is now only beginning to bloom, whereas 15k south the wattle is starting to go off. Wonder why in such a short distance that there was such a big time difference this year?????
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband.

Hi all.
There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H.
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:12:16 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow at ayers Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 13th July 1997 We read in the newspaper that two days ago, (11th July 1997) at a temperature of +4°C, some snow fell at Uluru. Not even the Aboriginals, with their history dating back up to 40,000 years, have no records of snowfall at Uluru. Actually, the locals had to ask European tourists, who confirmed that those flakes were indeed snow. http://ozmate.tripod.com/basicpages/1997_yarn.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow at ayers To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:19:12 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think, but am not certain, that no snow was seen to settle in the 1997 event - although falling snow was observed briefly at Uluru's elevation. The Alice Springs records we've recently been processing mention snow in (I think) 1896 - the temperatures accompanying that event suggest it's a credible observation, but again probably falling snow rather than settling. Blair > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:45, you wrote: > > And found this........ > > > > Eye witnesses have reported seeing snow at Ayers Rock (Uluru) and an > > unconfirmed report of snow from Kings Canyon. We have been unable to find > > evidence of any previous snowfall in the Northern Territory. > > Surely someone must have photographed it. Such a photo would be worth a mint. > All I can find is this: http://www.sympac.com.au/~redunion/ayers3.jpg > > Thanks, > > David > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9baAlZOfFgbBAbXARAiYZAKCWJh/jNfNZC6V0lCXGZAjJNsETNACggSi+ > hRPZd4zW5o7X7Bp2MmVrLgE= > =/8Ik > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Lurking low & camera stuff Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:13:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, There's certainly some interesting weather (hmm, must be nearly spring...) going on at the moment. The trough moving through NSW & Queensland looks like it could be keeping a few people thoroughly entertained (can someone let us know what's happening at Ground Zero?????). And then southeast SA & southwestern Victoria might even get a bit more rain from the band feeding into the low from the southwest in the next 24 hours....... The next few days could be very interesting - I'm ready for spring (unless a seriously cold outbreak is in the offing) ...and there's lightning in Bass Strait...... ** Digital camera info: if you have a digital camera which uses a USB port and you are still running on a laptop with no USB port or running Win95, there is a great little PCMCIA card reader available for $28 by Sankey (from Harris Technology) which will solve the problem for you. 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Two different species perhaps ?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

I got 1.2mm here but everything is welcome. You can notice now that the crops are starting to struggle a bit.
 
BTW further to my post a few weeks ago with regards to the wattle; in the Chiltern forest the wattle is now only beginning to bloom, whereas 15k south the wattle is starting to go off. Wonder why in such a short distance that there was such a big time difference this year?????
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband.

Hi all.
There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H.
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Wattle species can look very similar.
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

As far as I know it is the same "species". Not that I'd know :-) They look the same types of trees, and sizes etc but haven't stopped to have a close look. Wonder if the kids on the bus will mind if I stop and say, "I'm just going to check the wattle." :-)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

Hello Bussy
 
Is it the same wattle? There are more types of wattle (acacia) than  gum trees (eucalypts).
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

I got 1.2mm here but everything is welcome. You can notice now that the crops are starting to struggle a bit.
 
BTW further to my post a few weeks ago with regards to the wattle; in the Chiltern forest the wattle is now only beginning to bloom, whereas 15k south the wattle is starting to go off. Wonder why in such a short distance that there was such a big time difference this year?????
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband.

Hi all.
There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H.
From: "Sha" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Fw: AstroAlert: High Solar Limb Activity Alert - 28 August Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:25:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com For your information guys. Love Sha »§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.»§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.»§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.» §« ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cary Oler" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: AstroAlert: High Solar Limb Activity Alert - 28 August ================================================================= This Is SKY & TELESCOPE's AstroAlert for Sun-Earth Interactions ================================================================= A s t r o A l e r t Sun-Earth Alert Solar Terrestrial Dispatch http://www.spacew.com/astroalert.html 28 August 2002 HIGH SOLAR LIMB ACTIVITY ALERT - 28 AUGUST A new active sunspot complex is approaching the northeastern solar limb. It should rotate into view over the next 24 hours. It has been presumed responsible for several solar x-ray flares, one of which narrowly missed being classed as a major event. (The Space Environment Center today claimed that this near-major flare originated from a new emerging spot group now approaching the central meridian of the Sun. However, we argue that this is probably incorrect. Available evidence suggests the spot complex approaching the northeastern solar limb may have been the true culprit.) Heavy surging (mass that is hurled some distance into space above the Sun's surface) has been observed in this area over the last 24 hours. Additional strong surging is expected to continue as the spot complex rotates into view. Observers with hydrogen-alpha filters attached to telescopes should be in for a treat as it continues to put on a rather spectacular show on the northeast limb. For those without h-alpha filters, feel free to observe the activity on your desktop by visiting the Global H-Alpha Patrol Network at: http://www.spacew.com/sunnow. Until this spot complex rotates fully into view over the next several days, it will be impossible to estimate the potential for major levels of solar activity. However, given the activity that has been observed to-date, it would be reasonable to assume that this spot complex may be capable of producing isolated major solar flares. Preliminary observations of a steadily increasing background solar x-ray flux suggests this spot complex may be rather hot. ** End of the AstroAlert Bulletin ** ================================================================== AstroAlert is a free service of SKY & TELESCOPE, the Essential Magazine of Astronomy (http://SkyandTelescope.com/). This e-mail was sent to AstroAlert subscribers. ================================================================== --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Stargazer" To: "Aussie-Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:32:00 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 13:01:53.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F5696A0:01C24F5C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
With the end of winter only two day away I've only received 26mm of rain at my place here at Morphett Vale in Adelaide for this month & 4mm of that fell yesterday morning around 8:30am ACST. (Wonder what the lowest reading for August is for Adelaide?)
 
So has anybody got a lower rainfall reading for this month & who has received the highest rainfall this month???
 
:)
 
 
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:02:42 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SSC is back X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.6 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey - excellent work, you guys. Keep it up. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "dann weatherhead" To: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:35:13 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: SSC is back > After months of downtime (due to Yahoo putting their prices up 275% in > under 5 weeks) SSC (sydneystormchasers) is back online with a new > design. There are some new reports and photos online--and more shall be > added in the coming weeks. Please forgive the odd broken/incorrect > link--these shall be fixed ASAP. > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > Looking forward to a big season! > > > thanks =) > > dann, james, matt > sydneystormchasers.com > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.221.137.227] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:40:50 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 22:40:50.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FF9B430:01C24FAD] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, That's easy...only 10 mm. here for August to date, 8 of which fell two days ago! This makes it only the fifth driest year to date on record...:(( That follows on from just 6 mm. for the whole of July... Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: "Stargazer" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "Aussie-Weather" >Subject: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:32:00 +0930 > >With the end of winter only two day away I've only received 26mm of rain at >my place here at Morphett Vale in Adelaide for this month & 4mm of that >fell yesterday morning around 8:30am ACST. (Wonder what the lowest reading >for August is for Adelaide?) > >So has anybody got a lower rainfall reading for this month & who has >received the highest rainfall this month??? > >:) > >Regs. Paul. >(Stargazer) >http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:14:15 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Uluru and snow Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all I'm sure it's been brought up before, but Uluru's top elevation is less that 900m! If it was snowing at that level in 1997, what about the dozens of points that are considerably higher in the south of the NT, the east of WA, and especially (because it's further south) the north of SA? Any simple map will show several peaks over 1400m in this area, and of course, Mt Zeil at 1531m, the highest peak in oz west of the divide. Now, none of these peaks would be often visited, but doesn't the Larapinta trail go to the top of Mt Sonder at just under 1400m? The point is, maybe snow isnt THAT rare on these high points, its just that there's rarely anyone there to record it. I'd say a mountaintop station on Mt Zeil for say 10 years might provide some very interesting data. On a slightly different note, and much further south, I remember seeing a video on the news taken a few years ago that some bushwalkers took on the top of Mt Hack (just under 1100m) in the Flinders ranges where snow was falling quite heavily and settling. Once again, not a mountain that gets a huge number of visitors - they were just there at the right time... Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chas & Helen Osborn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:52:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello Bussy
 
I contacted a horticulturist friend and this is his reply -
 
>Wattles are distinguished by leaf morphology, flower type and seed vessel all.
>Can I help you to ID them??

>John

I hope  this helps.

Chas

Strahan Tasmania

 

 

 

 

Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

Wattle species can look very similar.
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

As far as I know it is the same "species". Not that I'd know :-) They look the same types of trees, and sizes etc but haven't stopped to have a close look. Wonder if the kids on the bus will mind if I stop and say, "I'm just going to check the wattle." :-)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

Hello Bussy
 
Is it the same wattle? There are more types of wattle (acacia) than  gum trees (eucalypts).
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

I got 1.2mm here but everything is welcome. You can notice now that the crops are starting to struggle a bit.
 
BTW further to my post a few weeks ago with regards to the wattle; in the Chiltern forest the wattle is now only beginning to bloom, whereas 15k south the wattle is starting to go off. Wonder why in such a short distance that there was such a big time difference this year?????
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband.

Hi all.
There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H.
Subject: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:17:15 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aussie-weather-digest V1 #1630 Thread-Index: AcJPuJhq9cAezdPwSdGXTHIDbkmeOQAAPo5g From: "Pete McGhee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 04:33:47.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E6C23B0:01C24FDE] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id AAA09128 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I went through this excercise a couple of years ago.... We've got two confirmed different species of Wattles on our road, about 2 - 3km apart. One lot breaks into flower almost exactly 5 weeks before the ones on our property. So consistently that I use the first flower burst to get my beehives setup for the second flowering group and get the drop on the commercial BeeBoys just up the valley :) Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussy To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle As far as I know it is the same "species". Not that I'd know :-) They look the same types of trees, and sizes etc but haven't stopped to have a close look. Wonder if the kids on the bus will mind if I stop and say, "I'm just going to check the wattle." :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chas & Helen Osborn To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle Hello Bussy Is it the same wattle? There are more types of wattle (acacia) than gum trees (eucalypts). Chas Strahan Tasmania +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:52:18 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all... If no rain falls before 9 am tomorrow, - which is likely to be the case, Sydney will have had its driest winter for 107 years... with only 72.4 mm of rain. The driest ever was 1895 with 42.9 mm followed by 1880 with 49 mm. In the 20th century the driest were 1970 with 78.7 mm and 1905 with 81.5 mm. In the other 140 out of 144 years, more than 100 mm fell in Sydney in the Winter months. Don White > Stargazer wrote: > > With the end of winter only two day away I've only received 26mm of > rain at my place here at Morphett Vale in Adelaide for this month & > 4mm of that fell yesterday morning around 8:30am ACST. (Wonder what > the lowest reading for August is for Adelaide?) > > So has anybody got a lower rainfall reading for this month & who has > received the highest rainfall this month??? > > :) > > Regs. Paul. > (Stargazer) > http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:47:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Assuming the same at Seven Hills, this will be our second driest winter in 53 years with only 32.6mm, the driest was 1995 (that was a funny one seeing August had nil rain so maybe not a good comparison), prior to that 1955. Keith Barnett Weather fanatic and classical musician ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned by Norton AntiVirus 2002 and is certified to be virus free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don White" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days > Hi all... > If no rain falls before 9 am tomorrow, - which is likely to be the > case, Sydney will have had its driest winter for 107 years... with only > 72.4 mm of rain. > The driest ever was 1895 with 42.9 mm followed by 1880 with 49 mm. In > the 20th century the driest were 1970 with 78.7 mm and 1905 with 81.5 > mm. In the other 140 out of 144 years, more than 100 mm fell in Sydney > in the Winter months. > > Don White > > > Stargazer wrote: > > > > With the end of winter only two day away I've only received 26mm of > > rain at my place here at Morphett Vale in Adelaide for this month & > > 4mm of that fell yesterday morning around 8:30am ACST. (Wonder what > > the lowest reading for August is for Adelaide?) > > > > So has anybody got a lower rainfall reading for this month & who has > > received the highest rainfall this month??? > > > > :) > > > > Regs. Paul. > > (Stargazer) > > http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Uluru and snow Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:53:40 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This topic has been discussed at length before, but when snow was reported from the top of Uluru in 1997, this was the first time in white or black recorded memory that such an event had occurred. Of course, the tourist climb has been only going for the last 50 years or so, and before than the Rock was only climbed once a year by local aborigines, so it would be pretty unlikely that anyone would've been up the top to see snow anyway. It did not snow in Alice Springs in 1997, but I think there were observations of snow on the higher points around here. The Larapinta trail does take climbers to the top of Mt. Sonder, but this trail isn't exactly a freeway! A weather station on top of Mt. Zeal would be very remote indeed. There is currently no track to the top, although experienced climbers can get to the top and down again within a day, from the northern side. While it would be very interesting to have a station up there, I don't think it would really have much use in relation to the cost. I would think that it has snowed on many occasions on the high peaks of the Western Macs, as we sometimes get very cold and damp days in Alice, due to deep Southern lows forcing cold up our way. As the land is very exposed between here and the South, by the time the cold air gets here it seems to have an extra 'bite' to it. Cheers, Duncan Treloar Alice Springs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Bagust" To: Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 8:14 am Subject: Re: aus-wx: Uluru and snow > Hi all > > I'm sure it's been brought up before, but Uluru's top elevation is less > that 900m! If it was snowing at that level in 1997, what about the dozens > of points that are considerably higher in the south of the NT, the east of > WA, and especially (because it's further south) the north of SA? > > Any simple map will show several peaks over 1400m in this area, and of > course, Mt Zeil at 1531m, the highest peak in oz west of the divide. Now, > none of these peaks would be often visited, but doesn't the Larapinta trail > go to the top of Mt Sonder at just under 1400m? > > The point is, maybe snow isnt THAT rare on these high points, its just that > there's rarely anyone there to record it. I'd say a mountaintop station on > Mt Zeil for say 10 years might provide some very interesting data. > > On a slightly different note, and much further south, I remember seeing a > video on the news taken a few years ago that some bushwalkers took on the > top of Mt Hack (just under 1100m) in the Flinders ranges where snow was > falling quite heavily and settling. Once again, not a mountain that gets a > huge number of visitors - they were just there at the right time... > > Phil > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Hello Dolly!! Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:26:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, This may be of interest to those of you who follow tropical meteorology, and for everyone else...check the first few lines for a bit of meteorological humour from the NWS!! If you're interested in following this, the latest 13 days of discussion on this (tropical wx) email list can be found here http://www.solar.ifa.hawaii.edu/Tropical/WXTropl/ 638 WTNT44 KNHC 292033 TCDAT4 TROPICAL STORM DOLLY DISCUSSION NUMBER 2 NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL 5 PM EDT THU AUG 29 2002 THE BELL JUST RANG IN THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC...HELLO DOLLY... SATELLITE IMAGES INDICATE THAT THE CLOUD PATTERN HAS BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED DURING THE DAY. THE SYSTEM HAS WELL DEFINED CURVED BANDS AND THE OUTFLOW IS FAIR IN ALL QUADRANTS. THE CENTER IS NOT WELL ESTABLISHED YET AND IT IS EMBEDDED WITHIN A LARGER CIRCULATION. HOWEVER...THE CYCLONE APPEARS TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO BE CLASSIFIED AS A TROPICAL STORM AT THIS TIME...THE FOURTH OF THE 2002 SEASON. INITIAL INTENSITY IS 35 KNOTS AND GRADUAL STRENGTHENING IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO WHILE THE CYCLONE MOVES OVER WARM WATER AND INTO LOW SHEAR. THEREAFTER...GLOBAL MODELS DEVELOP A LARGE UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC THAT COULD BRING STRONG UNFAVORABLE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS. THEREFORE...LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS INDICATED LATER IN THE PERIOD. DOLLY APPEARS TO BE MOVING WESTWARD ABOUT 12 KNOTS SOUTH OF A STRONG DEEP-LAYER RIDGE. BUT THE SAME TROUGH WHICH WILL BRING THE SHEAR WILL ALSO WEAKEN THE STEERING CURRENTS AND THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE. CONSEQUENTLY...DOLLY SHOULD GRADUALLY SLOW DOWN AND TURN MORE TO THE WEST-NORTHWEST. IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE NCEP GLOBAL MODEL WHICH HAS BEEN PERFORMING VERY WELL...WEAKENS THE CYCLONE QUICKLY AND CREDIT SHOULD BE GIVEN. HOWEVER...FOR NOW LETS WAIT FOR THE MODEL NEXT RUN. IF DOLLY CONTINUES MORE WESTERLY THAN ANTICIPATED...IT WILL REMAIN IN A MORE FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR STRENGTHENING...BUT NONE OF THE RELIABLE TRACK MODELS INDICATE SUCH WESTWARD MOTION AT THIS TIME. FORECASTER AVILA FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INITIAL 29/2100Z 9.8N 32.7W 35 KTS 12HR VT 30/0600Z 9.9N 34.5W 40 KTS 24HR VT 30/1800Z 10.0N 37.0W 45 KTS 36HR VT 31/0600Z 10.5N 39.0W 45 KTS 48HR VT 31/1800Z 11.0N 41.5W 50 KTS 72HR VT 01/1800Z 12.0N 45.0W 50 KTS Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) Secretary & Victorian Representative http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:49:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I'll do my best to get over there, but this is getting a bit outa my league. I wouldn't have the foggiest idea of species etc.
All I know was that the wattle, regardless of species, was out at the same time last year (Early July) and this year it is only just starting to break in the Chiltern Ironbark forest.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

Hello Bussy
 
I contacted a horticulturist friend and this is his reply -
 
>Wattles are distinguished by leaf morphology, flower type and seed vessel all.
>Can I help you to ID them??

>John

I hope  this helps.

Chas

Strahan Tasmania

 

 

 

 

Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

Wattle species can look very similar.
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

As far as I know it is the same "species". Not that I'd know :-) They look the same types of trees, and sizes etc but haven't stopped to have a close look. Wonder if the kids on the bus will mind if I stop and say, "I'm just going to check the wattle." :-)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

Hello Bussy
 
Is it the same wattle? There are more types of wattle (acacia) than  gum trees (eucalypts).
 
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle

I got 1.2mm here but everything is welcome. You can notice now that the crops are starting to struggle a bit.
 
BTW further to my post a few weeks ago with regards to the wattle; in the Chiltern forest the wattle is now only beginning to bloom, whereas 15k south the wattle is starting to go off. Wonder why in such a short distance that there was such a big time difference this year?????
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Vic rainband.

Hi all.
There seems to have been an (welcome) intensification of the rainband moving through central and north central Victoria this evening with some falls approaching 20mm west of Ballarat. Intensification appears to have occurred within an amplifying mid level trough as it moves into a warmer moister mid level flow over the central areas of Vic. regards Clyve H.
From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:55:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What difference is there between the two? Flying past on my bus, everything looks the same? I have noticed that in the forest the wattle "trees" are very light growing. Probably because of the higher ironbark trees. They are all about 10 to 15 feet high. I've lost the plot. Grin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete McGhee" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW > I went through this excercise a couple of years ago.... > > We've got two confirmed different species of Wattles on our road, about > 2 - 3km apart. > One lot breaks into flower almost exactly 5 weeks before the ones on our > property. So consistently that I use the first flower burst to get my > beehives setup for the second flowering group and get the drop on the > commercial BeeBoys just up the valley :) > > Pete > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bussy > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle > > > As far as I know it is the same "species". Not that I'd know :-) > They look the same types of trees, and sizes etc but haven't stopped to > have a close look. Wonder if the kids on the bus will mind if I stop and > > say, "I'm just going to check the wattle." :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chas & Helen Osborn > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle > > > Hello Bussy > > Is it the same wattle? There are more types of wattle (acacia) > than gum trees (eucalypts). > > Chas > Strahan Tasmania > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:43:57 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.6 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Okay, I'll ask. What does FWIW stand for in the subject line? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Bussy" To: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:55:16 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW > What difference is there between the two? Flying past on my bus, > everything > looks the same? > I have noticed that in the forest the wattle "trees" are very light > growing. > Probably because of the higher ironbark trees. They are all about 10 to > 15 > feet high. > I've lost the plot. Grin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete McGhee" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:17 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW > > > > I went through this excercise a couple of years ago.... > > > > We've got two confirmed different species of Wattles on our road, > about > > 2 - 3km apart. > > One lot breaks into flower almost exactly 5 weeks before the ones on > our > > property. So consistently that I use the first flower burst to get my > > beehives setup for the second flowering group and get the drop on the > > commercial BeeBoys just up the valley :) > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bussy > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:29 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle > > > > > > As far as I know it is the same "species". Not that I'd know :-) > > They look the same types of trees, and sizes etc but haven't stopped > to > > have a close look. Wonder if the kids on the bus will mind if I stop > and > > > > say, "I'm just going to check the wattle." :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chas & Helen Osborn > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic rain and wattle > > > > > > Hello Bussy > > > > Is it the same wattle? There are more types of wattle (acacia) > > than gum trees (eucalypts). > > > > Chas > > Strahan Tasmania > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:37:57 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hello Dolly!! X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.6 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Quite apart from Dolly's dance in the Atlantic, we have no less than five storms currently active in the N Pacific, two in NEP and three in NWP. We had the unusual situation this morning of the JMA giving "Typhoon warnings" for a storm that was still officially called a "Hurricane". Ele lingered for ages with its centre just a whisker on one side of the dateline while more than half the hurricane was on the other side. Here is one of this mornings warnings: WTJP23 RJTD 300000 WARNING 300000. WARNING VALID 310000. WARNING IS UPDATED EVERY 6 HOURS. TYPHOON WARNING. HURRICANE ELE 965 HPA AT 12.1N 179.7W SOUTH OF MIDWAY MOVING WESTNORTHWEST 09 KNOTS. POSITION GOOD. MAX WINDS 70 KNOTS NEAR CENTER. RADIUS OF OVER 50 KNOT WINDS 40 MILES. RADIUS OF OVER 30 KNOT WINDS 150 MILES. FORECAST POSITION FOR 310000UTC AT 14.8N 177.5E WITH 100 MILE RADIUS OF 70 PERCENT PROBABILITY CIRCLE. 960 HPA, MAX WINDS 75 KNOTS NEAR CENTER. EXTENDED OUTLOOK. FORECAST POSITION FOR 010000UTC AT 19.0N 175.5E WITH 180 MILE RADIUS OF 70 PERCENT PROBABILITY CIRCLE. 960 HPA, MAX WINDS 75 KNOTS NEAR CENTER. FORECAST POSITION FOR 020000UTC AT 23.5N 174.5E WITH 250 MILE RADIUS OF 70 PERCENT PROBABILITY CIRCLE. JAPAN METEOROLOGICAL AGENCY.= Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:26:45 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Hello Dolly!! > Evening all, > > This may be of interest to those of you who follow tropical > meteorology, > and for everyone else...check the first few lines for a bit of > meteorological humour from the NWS!! > > If you're interested in following this, the latest 13 days of > discussion > on this (tropical wx) email list can be found here > http://www.solar.ifa.hawaii.edu/Tropical/WXTropl/ > > 638 > WTNT44 KNHC 292033 > TCDAT4 > TROPICAL STORM DOLLY DISCUSSION NUMBER 2 > NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL > 5 PM EDT THU AUG 29 2002 > > THE BELL JUST RANG IN THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC...HELLO DOLLY... > > SATELLITE IMAGES INDICATE THAT THE CLOUD PATTERN HAS BECOME BETTER [snip] > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) > Secretary & Victorian Representative > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:38:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I see that no-one has answered that question as yet for you Phil, so I'll put in my thoughts ..... "For What It's Worth !" Love Sha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW Okay, I'll ask. What does FWIW stand for in the subject line? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:55:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Haven't looked out our records for here but I'm on 82.2mm for the winter :-( > If no rain falls before 9 am tomorrow, - which is likely to be the > case, Sydney will have had its driest winter for 107 years... with only > 72.4 mm of rain. > The driest ever was 1895 with 42.9 mm followed by 1880 with 49 mm. In > the 20th century the driest were 1970 with 78.7 mm and 1905 with 81.5 > mm. In the other 140 out of 144 years, more than 100 mm fell in Sydney > in the Winter months. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Dry winter Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:24:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
It's so dry here that the fish are knocking on the door looking for a drink of water :-)
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry winter Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:53:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Good one.......we have been extremely lucky here and received about a week of constant rain with sun straight afterwards. Usually when we got some rain we got wind straight after to dry the ground again. There is actually some green buffalo grass showing through. I am near Taree, 2hrs north Newcastle.
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It's so dry here that the fish are knocking on the door looking for a drink of water :-)
 
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:03:50 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.7 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Sha. There I was trying to think up all sorts of scientific abbreviations! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Sha" To: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:38:57 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW > I see that no-one has answered that question as yet for you Phil, so > I'll > put in my thoughts ..... "For What It's Worth !" > > Love > Sha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Smith" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW > > > Okay, I'll ask. > What does FWIW stand for in the subject line? > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: Mena Winter Rain Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:20:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello All:
        For ya'lls information: Mena's winter(Dec. 21, 2001-Mar 20, 2002) rainfall was 16.70IN(424.1 mm), normal rain for this period is 11.20IN(284.4 mm).
        We've only had 3 days of rain in August; the grass is starting to turn brown and some leaves are falling off the trees. A rain dance is much needed. Hopefully, both of our Septembers will be wet ones.
         Have a good one         David Powell
From: "peter tristram" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:22:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
 
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So has anybody got a lower rainfall reading for this month & who has received the highest rainfall this month???
 
 
After a hell of a dry winter, August ended with 132mm over a week at Repton near Coffs and I've heard of 250mm near the Big Banana. Spectacular warm day - maybe a storm this arvo.
 
Peter
 

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From: "Sha" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:52:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Crazy email lingo, eh Phil Love Sha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wattles FWIW Thanks Sha. There I was trying to think up all sorts of scientific abbreviations! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:36:29 +1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1750710) From: "Jane Simons" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:32:53
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So has anybody got a lower rainfall reading for this month & who has received the highest rainfall this month???
 
 
After a hell of a dry winter, August ended with 132mm over a week at Repton near Coffs and I've heard of 250mm near the Big Banana. Spectacular warm day - maybe a storm this arvo.
 
Peter
 

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So has anybody got a lower rainfall reading for this month & who has received the highest rainfall this month???
 
 
After a hell of a dry winter, August ended with 132mm over a week at Repton near Coffs and I've heard of 250mm near the Big Banana. Spectacular warm day - maybe a storm this arvo.
 
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Embedded Content: Untitled1.gif: 00000001,67dce0ac,00000000,00000000 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:07:39 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Very clear explanation of ELE X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.7 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com see attached: Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Smith" To: "_Cyclone Chat Group" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:09:55 +0800 Subject: Very clear explanation of ELE I thought the attached explanation of HURRICANE/TYPHOON ELE issued by NWS Guam yesterday was so clear and informative it ought to be shared more widely: ============= NOPQ40 PGUM 300548 PNSPQ PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TIYAN GU 4 PM GUAM LST FRI AUG 30 2002 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ...HURRICANE ELE CROSSES DATE LINE...BECOMES TYPHOON ELE... CENTRAL PACIFIC HURRICANE ELE (02C) CROSSED THE INTERNATIONAL DATE LINE NEAR 12 DEGREES NORTH LATITUDE AT AROUND 12 NOON GUAM TIME TODAY...AND IS NOW A TYPHOON. TYPHOON ELE...WITH MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF 130 MPH AS OF THIS AFTERNOON...IS ALREADY MOVING TOWARD THE NORTHWEST. A FURTHER NORTHWARD TURN IS EXPECTED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS...KEEPING IT FAR FROM ANY POPULATED ISLAND. TROPICAL CYCLONES WITH MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF 74 MPH OR HIGHER ARE KNOWN AS HURRICANES IN THE ATLANTIC AS WELL AS IN THE EASTERN AND CENTRAL PACIFIC...BUT ARE KNOWN AS TYPHOONS IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC BASIN. TROPICAL CYCLONES CROSSING THE DATE LINE FROM THE CENTRAL PACIFIC (140-180 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE) INTO THE WESTERN NORTH PACIFIC ARE NOT TOO UNCOMMON. HERE ARE SEVERAL SUCH STORMS IN THE RECENT PAST: --IN AUGUST 1999...EASTERN PACIFIC HURRICANE DORA FORMED WEST OF NICARAGUA AND TRAVELED ALL THE WAY INTO THE WESTERN PACIFIC. IT WAS DOWNGRADED TO A TROPICAL STORM JUST BEFORE CROSSING THE DATE LINE...SO DORA WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY A TYPHOON. --IN DECEMBER 1997...CENTRAL PACIFIC TROPICAL STORM PAKA CROSSED THE DATE LINE AND BECAME A TYPHOON NEAR MAJURO. AS ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE MARIANA ISLANDS CAN REMEMBER...PAKA PASSED BETWEEN GUAM AND ROTA AS A SUPER TYPHOON. --IN SEPTEMBER 1997...CENTRAL PACIFIC TROPICAL STORM OLIWA CROSSED THE DATE LINE BEFORE BECOMING A TYPHOON IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC. OLIWA TRAVELED ALL THE WAY TO JAPAN AND MAINTAINED TYPHOON INTENSITY WHEN IT MADE LANDFALL OVER KYUSHU. --IN AUGUST 1994...TROPICAL STORM LI FORMED IN THE EASTERN PACIFIC...WAS NAMED IN THE CENTRAL PACIFIC...AND DISSIPATED IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC. LATER IN THE SAME MONTH...EASTERN PACIFIC HURRICANE JOHN CROSSED THE DATE LINE TO BECOME A TYPHOON...WEAKENED TO A TROPICAL STORM...AND RECURVED BACK INTO THE CENTRAL PACIFIC AND INTENSIFIED AGAIN TO BECOME A HURRICANE. SINCE TYPHOON ELE IS CURRENTLY NOT EXPECTED TO AFFECT ANY ISLAND...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE (NWS) FORECAST OFFICE IN TIYAN GUAM WILL CARRY THE LATEST INFORMATION ON ELE IN THE AREA SYNOPTIC DISCUSSION...ISSUED TWICE A DAY AT 1 AM AND 1 PM. MORE INFORMATION ON ELE CAN ALSO BE SEEN ON OUR WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.PRH.NOAA.GOV/PR/GUAM (ALL LOWER CASE) AND JOINT TYPHOON WARNING CENTER'S WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.NPMOC.NAVY.MIL/JTWC.HTML. THE NWS WEATHER FORECAST OFFICE IN TIYAN GUAM WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1995 AND SERVES GUAM...THE NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS...PALAU...THE FEDERATED STATES OF MICRONESIA...THE MARSHALL ISLANDS...AND WAKE ISLAND. CONTACT: GENEVIEVE C. MILLER...METEOROLOGIST-IN-CHARGE TELEPHONE: (671) 472-0950 ...END... ============= I thought their use of previous examples really enhanced their definitions. Then this snippet from an e-mail yesterday from meteorologist Cecil Ma on Guam raises the question of how does one tell exactly when a system crosses the dateline anyway: ============= At the office today, we were joking about Ele at around lunch time. Just when I wondered whether CPHC would call Ele a hurricane or a typhoon in the 03Z package, they came in dropping the title for Ele, and simply said "Ele Forecast/ Advisory Number XX"--Ele was on one side of 180 at 00Z and the other side at 03Z. Someone said the eastern half of the system was a hurricane, while the western half was a typhoon. And then we went on coining statements like "hurricane force winds extend out to XX miles to the east, and typhoon force winds extend ... to the west". We saw some satellite fix discussion stating that due to parallax, at one time you would see Ele's eye in different hemisphere depending on whether you are looking at GOES or GMS, both about 40 degrees from the date line. ============== Sounds like they enjoyed the whole experience. Phil <>< Phil Smith Doctor Disk 17C Carmel Heights Belair Gardens Shatin, NT Hong Kong Phone: +852 9522 7756 E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:23:21 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2002 09:53:22.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DE96530:01C250D4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well last night 13mm fell in my rain gauge bringing the total rainfall here for August to 39mm & a total then for winter to 165mm. Could do with a lot more but by the sounds of it so could everybody else... Regs. Paul. (Stargazer) http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bussy" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter ends in two days > Haven't looked out our records for here but I'm on 82.2mm for the winter :-( > > > If no rain falls before 9 am tomorrow, - which is likely to be the > > case, Sydney will have had its driest winter for 107 years... with only > > 72.4 mm of rain. > > The driest ever was 1895 with 42.9 mm followed by 1880 with 49 mm. In > > the 20th century the driest were 1970 with 78.7 mm and 1905 with 81.5 > > mm. In the other 140 out of 144 years, more than 100 mm fell in Sydney > > in the Winter months. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Victorian showers - interesting propagation Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:18:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Widespread scattered showers on Victorian radar tonight with a buildup of moisture through the late afternoon and evening - with a moderate (20-40mm/hr) shower NW of Geelong at 8pm (10:00UTC) which seems to be propagating NE while everything else on the radar seems to going ESE...... moving about 45kmh. Rather unusual!!! Aviation forecast for Victoria is starting to look more spring like.. 10:05 UTC, 31/08/2002 AMEND AREA FORECAST 311000 TO 312300 AREAS 30/32 AMD OVERVIEW: CHIEFLY LIGHT SW/S'LY SURFACE FLOW. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS IN THE S TILL 14Z. ISOLATED SHOWERS CONTRACTING TO THE S AND E. LOW CLOUD PATCHES SEA/COAST AND OVER SW EXTENDING REMAINDER LAND ON AND S OF RANGES BY 14Z. FOG PATCHES INLAND AFTER 14Z. WIND: 2000 5000 7000 10000 14000 18500 210/15 230/15 250/15 260/20 MS07 260/30 MS15 260/40 MS24 REMARK: WIND BLW 6000FT OVER SEA 260/15 AMD CLOUD: ISOL CB 3500/26000 IN S TILL 14Z. SCT ST 1200/3000 IN PRECIPITATION, LOCALLY BKN ABOUT COAST/SEA AND LAND IN SW AND GRADUALLY EXTENDING TO REMAINDER LAND S OF RANGES BUT W OF 147E BY 14Z. AREAS BKN CU/SC 3000/8000, TENDING SCT FM W AFTER 14Z. SCT CU TOPS 12000. SCT ACAS ABV 10000. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) Secretary & Victorian Representative http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: First day of Spring Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:10:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
From the last few years of watching I've noticed that the first day of spring is usually damp here.
No-one was more shocked than me after telling my wife this and I went outside and the ground is wet. Only point 2mm but hey it's rain!!
Had a look and so far this year, to the end of August, we're 150mm behind our average here.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
X-Originating-IP: [198.142.197.143] From: "Karl Lijnders" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian showers - interesting propagation Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:12:56 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2002 13:12:56.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F275640:01C250F0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Some nice showers building up also across the Mallee region, near Mildura with a few showers with rain rates similar to the ones in the south up to 30-40mm/hr. Nice area of rain also building up through the North and North-east highlands of VIC. Down here in Melbourne its calm and relativley dry for now. Interesting aviation forecast Jane. Karl :) >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "Aussie-wx" >Subject: aus-wx: Victorian showers - interesting propagation >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:18:25 +1000 > >Evening all, > >Widespread scattered showers on Victorian radar tonight with a buildup >of moisture through the late afternoon and evening - with a moderate >(20-40mm/hr) shower NW of Geelong at 8pm (10:00UTC) which seems to be >propagating NE while everything else on the radar seems to going >ESE...... moving about 45kmh. Rather unusual!!! > >Aviation forecast for Victoria is starting to look more spring like.. >10:05 UTC, 31/08/2002 >AMEND AREA FORECAST 311000 TO 312300 AREAS 30/32 > >AMD OVERVIEW: > CHIEFLY LIGHT SW/S'LY SURFACE FLOW. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS IN THE S >TILL 14Z. ISOLATED SHOWERS CONTRACTING TO THE S AND E. LOW CLOUD >PATCHES SEA/COAST AND OVER SW EXTENDING REMAINDER LAND ON AND S OF >RANGES BY 14Z. FOG PATCHES INLAND AFTER 14Z. > >WIND: >2000 5000 7000 10000 14000 >18500 > 210/15 230/15 250/15 260/20 MS07 260/30 MS15 >260/40 MS24 >REMARK: > WIND BLW 6000FT OVER SEA 260/15 > > >AMD CLOUD: > ISOL CB 3500/26000 IN S TILL 14Z. SCT ST 1200/3000 IN PRECIPITATION, >LOCALLY BKN ABOUT COAST/SEA AND LAND IN SW AND GRADUALLY EXTENDING TO >REMAINDER LAND S OF RANGES BUT W OF 147E BY 14Z. AREAS BKN CU/SC >3000/8000, TENDING SCT FM W AFTER 14Z. SCT CU TOPS 12000. SCT ACAS ABV >10000. > >Jane > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) >Secretary & Victorian Representative >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian showers - interesting propagation Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:27:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com No one's watching more than me. A small township south of here (Springhurst) has only enough water left for the next two months. I have also noted that a few of the crops around here have now had the sheep and cattle put on them. A result of no feed and a crop that's failing. The dams are also empty, so it's a real worry at present. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Lijnders" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian showers - interesting propagation > Some nice showers building up also across the Mallee region, near Mildura > with a few showers with rain rates similar to the ones in the south up to > 30-40mm/hr. > > Nice area of rain also building up through the North and North-east > highlands of VIC. Down here in Melbourne its calm and relativley dry for > now. > > Interesting aviation forecast Jane. > > Karl :) > > > >From: "Jane ONeill" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: "Aussie-wx" > >Subject: aus-wx: Victorian showers - interesting propagation > >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:18:25 +1000 > > > >Evening all, > > > >Widespread scattered showers on Victorian radar tonight with a buildup > >of moisture through the late afternoon and evening - with a moderate > >(20-40mm/hr) shower NW of Geelong at 8pm (10:00UTC) which seems to be > >propagating NE while everything else on the radar seems to going > >ESE...... moving about 45kmh. Rather unusual!!! > > > >Aviation forecast for Victoria is starting to look more spring like.. > >10:05 UTC, 31/08/2002 > >AMEND AREA FORECAST 311000 TO 312300 AREAS 30/32 > > > >AMD OVERVIEW: > > CHIEFLY LIGHT SW/S'LY SURFACE FLOW. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS IN THE S > >TILL 14Z. ISOLATED SHOWERS CONTRACTING TO THE S AND E. LOW CLOUD > >PATCHES SEA/COAST AND OVER SW EXTENDING REMAINDER LAND ON AND S OF > >RANGES BY 14Z. FOG PATCHES INLAND AFTER 14Z. > > > >WIND: > >2000 5000 7000 10000 14000 > >18500 > > 210/15 230/15 250/15 260/20 MS07 260/30 MS15 > >260/40 MS24 > >REMARK: > > WIND BLW 6000FT OVER SEA 260/15 > > > > > >AMD CLOUD: > > ISOL CB 3500/26000 IN S TILL 14Z. SCT ST 1200/3000 IN PRECIPITATION, > >LOCALLY BKN ABOUT COAST/SEA AND LAND IN SW AND GRADUALLY EXTENDING TO > >REMAINDER LAND S OF RANGES BUT W OF 147E BY 14Z. AREAS BKN CU/SC > >3000/8000, TENDING SCT FM W AFTER 14Z. SCT CU TOPS 12000. SCT ACAS ABV > >10000. > > > >Jane > > > >-------------------------------- > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > >Melbourne Storm Chasers > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > >Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA) > >Secretary & Victorian Representative > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Stargazer" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: First day of Spring Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:13:01 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2002 13:43:03.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[540B8A80:01C250F4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hey Bussy, your getting in a bit early aren't you?
According to my calendar & my received time on your post here (31/08/2002 10:54PM) it's still Winter!!  :P
 
lol
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:40 PM
Subject: aus-wx: First day of Spring

From the last few years of watching I've noticed that the first day of spring is usually damp here.
No-one was more shocked than me after telling my wife this and I went outside and the ground is wet. Only point 2mm but hey it's rain!!
Had a look and so far this year, to the end of August, we're 150mm behind our average here.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)